Thread 712391246

Mechbros... How can we even compete...

Fighter planes can't stand like this

>>712391246 (OP)
most people don't seem to realize how fuckhueg a fighter jet is

>>712391246 (OP)
by looking cooler and controlling cooler and having access to cooler weapons and having a better setting and better characters, but at least the plane is bigger

>How can we even compete
easy
>casually breaks the speed of sound
>enough firepower to kill an army
>spews cancer particles all over your enemy's territory

>>712391532
Not on the ground, for sure. But in the air...

so are armored core viable for military work in real life?

>>712391246 (OP)
Not only are fighters bigger, but they'd absolutely wreck a mech if you make it realistic and not add in all the anime weeaboo bullshit.

Which is actually why the US military won't waste the resources on developing mechs. They did a feasibility study on mechs a while back and determined that they would be too vulnerable to enemy air power and enemy infantry. They'd also be extremely expensive compared to tanks with only marginally better performance. Basically, the conclusion was the benefits of mechs are outweighed by both their cost and vulnerabilities and thus aren't something worth spending time, money and resources developing.

>>712392104
We already know mechs are a fantastical concept.

>>712391804
>the most jet-like next design
>can't fly for shit
What a goddamn scam.

>>712391859
No, because a tank or jet can do anything they could do while being far more efficient and less expensive.

>>712392206
You'd be surprised how many retards out there will seriously argue that mechs are viable battlefield weapons.

>>712392252
>the most jet-like next design
bro your LAHIRE?

>>712392507
It comes in second place.

>10m
Where does this number come from? You walk next to vehicles in AC6 and they look fucking tiny, barely the height of your toes.

>>712391246 (OP)
Yes, now show the cock comparison chart

>>712393452
i would also like to know this information

>>712392286
If they worked like they do in the games though. If real world physics apply, no chance.

>>712391246 (OP)
ENTER

>>712394169
>wait for it to make a sharp turn so its big parts break apart in the air

>>712394169
Fuck I love the Valkyries so much. I don't care if they're impractical, transforming mecha are so cool.

>>712394257
Yeah, high torque is a threat to mecha alright.

For me, it's the YF-29.
Macross also has one of the best justifications for mecha: Humanity live alongside giant humanoids, so they build giant humanoid mechs.

>>712394645
Pretty sure Gurren Lagann at ultimate galaxy-sized form would experience supra-relativistic effects just trying to flex a finger

>>712393414
Videos like these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyYkdZIXcKE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6uTS7eEUDg

>>712395083
My favorite detail is that the railing on the RaD MT is perfectly sized for a human model to walk up. Really crazy to me that they scaled the models so well.

Aeromorphs

>>712395709
Where's our games based around that?

>>712395709
>>712396030

>>712396030
theres one comin out like that. some indie game

>>712391859
Attack helicopters fill their niche

I'm sure to win because my maneuverability is superior.

>>712394775
I've finally been working through the Macross franchise and I really love the designs, man. As a kid I was really interested in the stuff that came over here as Robotech and just never got to check it out.

>>712397376
Yes. Speed is king.

>>712391246 (OP)
Taller mechs

>>712398079
>Proximity fuse enters the chat

>>712395709
>>712396172

>>712398942
Difference is cost, retard. A tank costs about $8 million to build. A mech would cost at least 10 times that to build and can be destroyed just as easily without offering any real increase in firepower (no, they aren't going to be bristling with guns like in your favorite shitty anime).

>>712399010
Wait, you saying mechs are....not cubes?!

>>712391859
theres a reason why a big helicopter shits on 90% of AC6 players

>>712399187
>no, they aren't going to be bristling with guns like in your favorite shitty anime
How do you know, are you a mech engineer? Have you ever even seen a mech irl? Didn't think so you pretentious twat

>>712391246 (OP)
my planefu

>>712399361
As cool as mechs are, there'd definitely be problems feeding the ammo to all the weapons. A problem made worse the more weapons you add.

>>712399187
*pshoom* blows up your tank with a missile anyway.
Sorry, what? Something about cost efficiency? But aren't they still more expensive than a missile?

Sorry bro, the new mudcore is missiles and drones. Tanks are out of fashion.

>>712398942
tankfags have never recovered from the fact that planes, helicopters, some illiterate goat farmer with a 70 year old RPG, some mud, and now walmart drones all shit on their outdated shitboxes

>>712391246 (OP)
Just go bigger
>>712394775
But anon, they were making valkyries before they started coexisting with the Zentradi

Why aren't there more games base around the Apache? Only games I know of that base around these sluts are any via from the Gulf War aka SNES era.

>>712399458
That's why melee weapons are so important

>>712399728
I kinda want Strike series back desu.

Why did Gen X get cool die cast metal toys? Can't we just melt all the pennies and turn them into toys?

>>712399294
Exactly. The military NEEDS to start making absolutely fucking enormous helicopters. If we don't have double miniguns and a hinged missile platform we'll never beat any mechs.

>>712399728
I know there's some helicopter sim games but those are more for the autists interested in the specific workings of the Apache.

>>712399925
so thats the og jetfire. i got the armada one

>>712399925
It's a lost art, we can't reproduce them

>>712396172
>aeromorph porn
an acquired taste, to be sure
https://wimg.rule34.xxx//samples/1719/sample_cf15e3e18411edbd0f54100235d27939.jpg?13112233
https://wimg.rule34.xxx//samples/1719/sample_ebdd4b9c5b856d319ac88995489eecf8.jpg?13112238
https://wimg.rule34.xxx//samples/1977/sample_f1bc3d22a31dfb7d3df0c445915df8b4.jpg?13112272
https://wimg.rule34.xxx//samples/1027/sample_0c36de32a9e18cfbc2bb4bc314c1593e.jpg?13112281 /spoiler]

>>712391804
>casually destroyed by a missile launched from over the horizon by an antique jet like the F35
>pilot can't dodge since he has already become liquid meat floss from the g-forces
Hmm

>>712400493
when your ac mech gets captured by arquebus

>>712400507
What if he chose not to do that and just dodged normally?

>>712394257
>>712394326
>>712394645
Veritechs are made with a hybrid of human and alien tech that buttfuck your realism you aren't as smart as you think you are.

>>712399473
Yeah and? This doesn't support your point that mechs are better. Do you even know what you're trying to argue at this point?

>>712400507
joke's on you, the missile is stopped by the spherical forcefield of cancer particles that definitely won't kill the pilot before he turns 30

>>712400607
then we fight them with big titty aeromorphs to distract pilots with booby bombs

>>712400493
Oh, this the "artist" that does that stupid bimbo lip. Thank goodness the new generations/kemono artists/AI Generated are much better than this.

>>712400067
At least this big.
And needs to be assault

>>712400663
I'm not arguing. I'm just laughing that tankfags are now in the "bloated, overcosted, don't have any practical military use" pit with the rest of us. Try sticking an arm or a head on your tank next. It doesn't hurt when you're unrealistic.

One of us. One of us.

BETAs btfo!

>>712400761
he's one of the very few artists who did hentai of the Nelvaanians from Star Wars, so he's good in my book

>>712400871
Is it time??

>>712400802
Cope more, mechfag. Tanks exist and are still being built. Mechs will never exist except in your shitty little Japanese cartoons.

We need modern Appleseed and Patlabor games

>>712401027
The current major conflict is literally just burning the worlds supply of tanks against the worlds production of much cheaper anti-tank missiles in an endless quagmire that accomplishes nothing.
You only use tanks when you want to spend money and get nowhere.

>>712400606
Meat puddles don't choose to do anything, they just stew

>>712400802
> No practical military use
Tell that to Ukraine

>>712401161
Yeah, and trains will cause miscarriages because they move too fast.

>>712391246 (OP)
you really want me to imagine 621 getting cucked by a black SR-71?

>>712401023
Think I remember something like this from Exo Squad as well.

>>712401027
We're on the way

>>712400710
Pilots loose their reaction speed past that age anyway

>>712401268
>double wrist-mounted miniguns
very tasteful

>>712401274
Only because of the cocktail of drugs they are forced to consume every time they take off

>>712401268
>born too late to own a home
>born just in time to pilot a mech for Israel
hell yeah

>>712398650
>proximity fuse enters the ch-ACK

Why is it so hard to build machines that walk on legs? It's like the default evolution for everything biological but runs into endless problems on machines

>>712401549
Because we haven't started sticking brains in them yet. We keep trying to reverse-engineer balance and a instinctual comprehension of physics into a machine when we've already got brains that do that just fine.

>>712401549
We are not nearly as smart as we believe

>>712401549
Stability. And energy issues.
human legs are some of the biggest muscles we have

>>712401549
Computers are basically severely autistic children, they can't do something if there aren't precise steps in the code, and it turns out converting all the precise movements that we learn in our developmental years into code is fucking hard and fucking expensive when we can just slap treads on it instead.

>>712401727
man we cant even figure out how to make a usable load reduction exoskeleton for the grunts. i hate lame ass reality

>>712401549
the way humans keep their balance while standing upright is so deranged that by itself it disproves the existence of an intelligent designer

>>712401549
grug invented the wheel for a reason

>>712401549
Random proteins slamming together are apparently more capable designers than the greatest Human engineers

>>712395709
What about them?

>>712401549
It's not. We build them all the time. What is hard is building one that can function as a tank with legs.

>>712401924
To be fair, they worked on it for a few billion years, and we have only been taking a crack at it for a century or so.

>>712401935
Is this Phantasy Star Online?

>>712402075
Sadly, yes.

>>712398942
>tanks get countered by missiles and drones that can fly above them
>mechs can fly above tanks and fire missiles

OH NO NO NO NO TANKSISTERS, EMERGENCY MEETING IN THE WORLD OF TANKS FORUM

We should be researching biomechs instead
Metal cannot suffice

>>712399187
You forgot ((revolutionaries)) with molotov cocktail

>>712402145
Why not create a combination tank and fighter jet instead
Imagine how awesome that would be

>>712402210
Meant to quote >>712399478

>>712391246 (OP)
The plane collapses due to square cube law.

>>712401901
> It didn't disprove the existence of a mad designer

I knew it. I fucking knew it.
Hail Azathoth!

>>712391859
Like most mechs, an Armored Core style mech would never be practical, but there is certainly an argument for small mechs that are more akin to overgrown power armor.

What's the point of mechas in real life when jets have literally ac 7 multi-player bullshit missiles that can track you from kilometers away. Gundams work because the power engines used by machinery realese particles that inhibit all radars and shit so close combat is a basically obligatory.

ENTER A HERO

>>712399584
>But anon, they were making valkyries before they started coexisting with the Zentradi
Because the SDF-1 had provisions, quarters and equipment onboard designed for giant humanoids, so they realized they were going to need giant humanoid mechs in the future.

>>712402303
>Gives your pilot a girls' name.
Get countered!

>>712399925
The ban on lead for welding meant that the demand for tin went from toys and packaging to toys, packaging and every single industry that needs to weld things together. Then, most of the countries that had tin mines closed them to "protect the enviroment". Now tin is very expensive and companies can't make metal toys anymore without them being basically gold tier expensive. Also, the ban on lead for welding is part of the reason why the xbox 360 would red ring, the thing was engineered for lead soldering and they ended up using a crappy tin alloy.

Also also, lead needs to be ingested to be toxic. Nobody is going to ingest their xbox. The ban did nothing.

>>712402303
UHHHHWAAAAAAAA

>>712402619
Easy, we just need to invent the anit-missilium particle then. Dunno why everyone just keeps trying to make the robots first.

>>712402619
>Gundams work because the power engines used by machinery realese particles that inhibit all radars
The minovsky particle was fucking up electronics long before the reactor engine was produced

>>712402636
>you can make this bad boy in AC6
based

>>712402804
I'm just going by what's said on the anime and the first novel.

>>712391246 (OP)
That's not to scale though, you can go up to vehicle ingame and it's fucking tiny compared to the default AC, and with the right parts you can make an AC that's a good 50% taller than the default.

>>712402619
to deal with local issues that are too big for a army to deal with

>>712402619
>What's the point of mechas in real life when
Because they look cool

>>712402858
You could make it back in AC3 too.

>>712400871
That's actually a lot cooler than you think it is.

>>712401924
Well, when there is an infinite number of darts being tossed at an infinite number of dartboards, you're bound to get a bullseye at some point. A functional means of self-balancing is something that only has to come along once, at which point surival of the fittest will make it spread and adapt to various enviroments. From what I can tell (not a biologist btw) the semicircular canals in our ears haven't really changed much since diverged from fish however long ago.
Makes me feel bad for any aliens out there who weren't lucky enough to evolve a similar structure.

>>712402984
would jets and helicopter do well in the underground cities?

>>712402636
WOO

>>712402927
We already have a million different and much more cost effective means to deal with such situations though.

>>712403071
helicopter actually do pretty well underground, although it is rather noisy

>Mecha thread on /v/
>Usual suspects show up whining about real life application of mecha
Gay

>>712403226
You don't have a functional penis.

>>712403071
in 3rd gen they unironically fly jets in the underground "wilderness" areas

>>712401274
Nothing that shoving some electrodes right into the pilots brain won't fix.

>>712403272
>worrying about another man's penis
Not dodging the allegation

>>712403226
if it makes you feel any better, tanks and planes get humbled by gigachad suicide drones in current year

>>712403442
Neither are you.

>>712391835
They can't stand in the air either.

>>712403521
Mechs can easily dodge allegations. Now are you jealous of their superior mobility?

>>712403049
Completely separate systems needing to have evolved simultaneously for either to work kind of puts a hole in the randomizer theory, and the fact that evolutionary changes are supposed to take millions of years of breeding to develop also puts a big hole in itself from simple logic.

If a creature can't survive without a certain feature, then it would not have continued to reproduce. However, if it reproduced without that feature, then surely it does not need it so why would it evolve?

Also nearly completely ignored is the Enzyme's role in evolution and gene expression. How does it know what to move where, and when? What information signals is it receiving, and through what mechanism is it receiving them? How does it interpret them? They conduct literal gene editing on the fly for a living creature with clear intent and purpose, they are not moving random amino acids around to random slots. This is not even under investigation, just accepted as a thing that happens because it just does.

>>712403506
I just wanna talk about mecha and mecha games with the/v/ros. Not deal with gay retards like >>712403521

>>712403071
Long as the helicopter pilot knows his vehicle size and distance from nearest wall, helicopter can function underground

>>712403641
You aren't a mech. You are a man who doesn't have a functional penis.

>>712403758
Depends on what kind of air flow it generates under it, because creating a mini-vortex can cause it to become deadweight.

>>712403442
I really do love how terrifying the Gundam is from the Zeke's point of view.

>>712403724
>talk to a tankfag
>they start inquiring about my penis
What made them this way? Why do we have to share a board with them?

>>712401549
It's not particularly useful so there hasn't been a lot of investment into it until very recently. Unsurprisingly, now that the money is flowing there are a dozen walking robots.

>>712403272
>>712403521
>>712403780
>goes into mecha thread
>BRO YOUR PENIS
>YOUR GAY
>YOU SHOULD LET ME LOOK AT YOUR PENIS

Do you need help? There are hotlines, we could call someone.

>>712403936
I didn't inquire about your penis. I made a factual statement about it. You don't have a functional penis.

>>712403936
They're obsessed with a vehicle shaped like a literal penis and testicles. What did you expect?

>>712404040
Did calling someone tranny lose it's luster fag?

>>712403506
>>712402145
robot chads our time is now

>>712404126
I don't call people tranny. Now take your floppy, flaccid penis elsewhere.

>>712403684
>This is not even under investigation
Quite the opposite. Multitudes of scientists are studying as many as they can all the time. The problem is no one has an answer and the dry multipage papers detailing which enzymes respond to which signal molecules are too boring for people outside the expertise.

Just started Ace Combat 3 (JP), this game looks and sounds so fucking good

>>712404418
I really liked how the building in this game worked. I just wish it had an actual single player campaign and not just a glorified tutorial for the multiplayer.

>>712404636
I still go back and play those missions from time to time. I still have all my parts so I keep it fresh by trying to beat each mission with different builds that were never meant to be used in a particular mission.

>>712403936
>>712404071
>that one K fag that is writing a novel where a soldier is partner with a tankmorph
>tankmorph change her fuel to cum

>>712404947
Just read the BOLO series.

>>712403684
I don't mean this as an insult, but you seem to misunderstand how evolution works. Enzymes do not "receive" or "interpret" any information; they are simply undergoing chemical reactions with whatever is nearby. They have no more intent in what they do than a ball does when it rolls down a hill.
While a particular feature may not be required for survival, and it thus "unnecessary," a new feature can sometimes be helpful and help the creature survive to pass on its genes, although more often it is not useful and either contributes to the creatures death or has no impact.
New features actually don't require millions of years to evolve, that's a common misconception. Evolution cam actually happen pretty quickly. Here's a video that shows this better than I would be able to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NArlXzSFt2Y&t=1028s
As for systems needing to evolve simultaneously, from what I can tell it's actually the opposite that happens. Systems evolve separately, and then over time become fundamentally intertwined to the point where they no longer function without eachother.

The scale size in ac6 feels toyish

>>712405647
The scale is actually pretty accurate compared to the other AC games, it's that your AC feels more toyish than a moving machine

>>712405647
V/D was even smaller

>>712405647
>>712405770
I think "this feels toyish" is a personal matter that can't be resolved by anyone else.

Why can't we be friends?

>>712405398
But what tells the enzymes how to build the DNA and RNA? How do they know where to go and when and why? Choices are seeming to be made. How are they being made? What is the mechanism? It clearly isn't an accident. And it isn't automatic, either, because if it were automatic, the enzymes would have to do the same thing every time. They don't. Nothing the enzymes do looks automatic.

I will be told enzymes are encoded in the genes, but that just means instructions for producing the enzymes are coded there.
Where is the set of instructions for the enzymes' tasks, which are legion?
All the things that get done by these enzymes can't be accidental or happen by chance. DNA replication happens in less than an hour, with a speed of 1,000 nucleotides per second! I have heard it claimed that the correct molecules bond to the enzymes by chance, but surely no one believes that. Specific complex tasks like this do not get done by chance, especially at a rate of thousands per second.

>>712406060
until theres am action game with all vehicles viable, we shall remain enemies

>>712406060
Because you have to kill your friends.

>>712406060
Because mechfags lose their minds and go into apoplectic fits of rage the moment someone mentions a single flaw about mechs.

They also don't have functional penises.

>>712405770
>>712406032
I agree in that it feels toyish. It's not just a personal perception either, it's a known effect in photography and I think a lot of mecha games suffer from it.

>>712406162
>Hasn't played Brigador
>Probably hasn't even heard of it

>>712391246 (OP)
That's why Gundams are fighter jet scale

>>712406162
BF2142

>>712406221
I don't think that specific niche in photography has anything to do with it.
>>712406162
There's a bunch of them, but tankfags usually cry that the mechs are there. Frankly it's all very jewish. It starts with "erm but what about combined arms? can't we have a little tanks in this mech game?" and they're never satisfied.

>>712405647
Resolution too high, too crisp.
At large scales, everything is much further away and so would be blurred out from seeing any details. Everything in AC6 from the enemies to the environment being sharp and in focus makes it look like a miniature diorama because those are a small scale pretending to be big. The shit textures in previous games actually worked to their advantage here.

>>712406089
I told you, enzymes are just undergoing reactions. It's a long series of reactions, sure, but it's still just chemical reactions. One reaction happens, and then the results of that reaction effect the next, which effects the next, and so on. It's happenimg at an incredible scale, yes, but there is really nothing special about it.
An odd quirk about chemistry is that order sometimes arises out of seemingly chaotic circumstances. The growth of crystals is a good example of this sort of thing.
As for how the enzyme bonds with the correct molecule - yes there is a degree of randomness, but the shape and composition of both parties are crucial in determining whether or not they interact.

>>712406060
Its hard to be friend when every single thing in that image can be kill by a 5 dollar Chinese mass produce drones.

>>712402636
Ok tankfags tell me how this isn't practical

>>712406745
how do the bullets get to the gatling arms?

>>712406710
Humanity has gone down the wrong path.

>>712406745
Too tall
Tank short, hard to hit
Tank with torso tall, easy to hit

Also a bunch of stuff about armor and angles that make a tank more survivable even if its hit.

>>712406710
That's exactly why we need to get along. We're all pointless and unrealistic now. Until someone invents a suit of armor that can deflect all the drones and we get into the nuclear power armor age.

>>712400871
hi

>>712406949
what if the armor has a suicide drone launcher that launches suicide drones to suicide into the suicide drones?

Ac4a mogs

>>712406949
Eh.
They're already resorting to the drones stringing fiber cables because jamming got ahead of them.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone comes up with an answer to that soon too.

funnels and bits are basically anti-drone drones

>>712407140
Drones with little pairs of scissors.

>>712391859
*shoots you in the knee with an anti-tank round*

>>712407140
>I wouldn't be surprised if someone comes up with an answer to that soon too.
It already exists.

>>712407140
Nanomachine clouds to eat the drones

>>712407238
That wouldn't work. Why would an anti tank round hurt a mech? You need an anti mech round.

>>712406949
>>712407164
Or robots unironically.

>>712406745
Too tall. And why the fuck is the driver/pilot situated at the top where he can be easily targeted?

>>712407295
the devs coded anti tanks rounds improperly so they deal their bonus damage to everything instead of just tanks

>>712407307
>And why the fuck is the driver/pilot situated at the top where he can be easily targeted?
Head is the least reliable target. It's why everyone is trained to shoot center mass instead of trying to aim for boom headshot.

>>712402858
No you can't.

Under this sun, no shadows will fall
Piercing our eyes as we charge
An armored battalion on course to the east
Closing the end of its march

>>712403905
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGBqFQCYsFs
I love when this theme plays in CCA for that reason
Amuro shows up to the battle and the Zeeks dont even fight him, they just leave
Legitimately scary music

>>712407404
You aren't going to be shooting at it with a rifle, retard. You're going to shoot at it with something like a Javelin. And guess what Javelin does? It goes up and comes back down to hit the target from the top.

One Javelin missile and your shitty Guntank is dead.

>>712391246 (OP)
>>712391532
>>712391590
what if the mech was a jet roibot?

>>712407587
Yeah, AC series with Tank Trend is basically a Tank game, and I love every second of it. I am glad FROM remembers and kept it. I just dislike the lack of arm weapon that would really make your AC less a Mecha and more a Tank or Chicken Walker.

tank users hate him see how BTFOs tanks with one simple trick

>>712407727
a javelin missile kills a tank just as well as it kills the guntank

>>712407727
How sad... if it had legs it could've easily dodged...

>>712391246 (OP)
There's a line in Transformers Devastation where Optimus smack talks Starscream saying something like "Guess what happens when the big strong truck collides with the small frail jet" but like no jets are fucking huge

>>712407861
That wasn't the question though. The question was to find a flaw in the Guntank's design. Which I did. You're deflecting and goalpost shifting now to avoid admitting the Guntank is just as flawed as any other mech design.

>>712407813
I like how in the original MS bits are wire guided because nobody believed wireless was good enough to control something like that in the 80s (also something something minovski particles)
And now bits are wire guided because we know jamming will fuck them up.

>>712407813
gay star wars force shit

>>712408037
Star wars is cool though. Only people without foreskins dislike pod racer.

>>712408012
The wire-guides work two-way as it allows you to retract them before they run out of fuel so you don't have to hunt for them after a battle ends.

>>712407993
>make a mech that's more like a tank
>it suddenly has a bunch of flaws

Soon

>>712408037
helicopter bros..

>>712408103
>Star wars is cool
Wrong
>pod racer
a notable exception

>>712408037
i think the drone/funnel shit is stupid also but its funny imagining drone mechs being the new meta against tank guys.

>>712408184
No, more like it's a hybrid design that has all the flaws of both with none of the benefits of either.

>>712407993
I'm not the guy you were talking to, and it's a flaw that tanks share.
>the guntanks taller profile makes it more vulnerable to direct fire weapons such as recoilless rifles, rpgs, or a tank's main cannon
is a viable argument
>thing that affects tanks and the guntank equally
is not a viable argument
for the record, I think the guntank is retarded

>>712401549
The wheel is more efficient in most any application. They are so good in fact that even bacteria make use of the power of rotation.

>>712408254
Drone mechs is just more mechs

>>712408208
It's called Star Wars Episode I: Racer man. You like star wars...

>>712408184
Retard. Mechs are more flawed than tanks. We know this because tanks actually exist while every time mechs have been suggested to real world armies, the person suggesting it has been laughed out of the room.

>>712402619
Could be unironically useful for close air support
>fly in
>shoot enemy vehicles and entrenched positions from air
>touchdown
>support infantry until mission is accomplished or they could retreat
>fly back to base

>>712408332
If its so efficient why do I have legs, huh?
Checkmate wheelfags

>>712391532
I think the F15 can, sorta.

>>712408321
It is a viable argument because the question was simply to find a flaw with the Guntank, not to find a flaw that it has that tanks don't have.

>>712408396
Tanks are obsolete

>>712408037
What the hell did I just watch...

>>712408012
>I like how in the original MS bits are wire guided because nobody believed wireless was good enough to control something like that in the 80s
What? The Elmeth's bits were wireless. You're just seeing the progression of NT tech in the show, not some gotcha on meta technology. We had remote control planes in the 60s.

>>712408349
i can see something like a new Metal Gear Solid Metal Gear being something like a large carrier with a bay that recharges and releases drones while it moves somewhere. konami should pay me for that idea because it would probably be a cool design.

>>712408351
I'd like it more if it weren't star wars
The concept of piloting a chariot pulled by twin rocket engines is inherently awesome. I don't need the rest of that gay shit involved.

Glad there's a thread.
So if a mech is completely grounded it is "driven", and if a mech can fly it is "piloted", right?

>>712391246 (OP)
Transformers really fucked up my sense of scale
Whenever i see a truck out on the streets i think to myself this is way to small there's noway this could turn into a 15 m killer robot like in the movies

>>712408396
>make tanks
>they suck and don't work good
>haven't made mechs
>just assume they're probably no good
sounds like a fallacy to me.

>>712408425
If you think something that looks like that would be good for close air support, you clearly don't understand anything about aviation.

>>712408531
Elmeth's bits were powered by psychic powers too.

>>712408542
If you don't soiface because plokos kloon is riding his pod racer on the moons of dantooine then you just have GRIDs.

>>712408498
And mechs never existed and never will. They have all the vulnerabilities of a tank, plus a few extra ones, with none of the benefits.

>>712408480
>copium
you can double down on your retardation all you want, but that wont make you any less wrong
>the guntanks taller profile makes it easier to spot
there's another easily identifiably design flaw for you. I'm honestly surprised you didn't use that one instead of your dumb indirect fire example

>>712408396
>We know this because tanks actually exist
The {{Current}} Wars just shown us that they're useless now.

>>712408525
Kino

>>712408554
90% of the "it's not an X unless it's a Y" things related to mechs are misconceptions. It's whatever the individual series calls it.
It's usually just piloted though.
>>712408639
How do we know? What if they dodged the missiles?

>mechfags vs fightersissies
It's irrelevant who wins, neither are a match for turretCHADS

>>712408571
>Being intentionally disingenuous because he thinks it makes him "le epic 4chinz troll"

You know what you're saying isn't true. You know I'm right. So you can act like a smug, snarky little faggot all you want. You lost. Mechs are not and never will be a practical weapon platform.

>>712408396
>every time mechs have been suggested to real world armies, the person suggesting it has been laughed out of the room.
Yeah I'm sure you were there to witness this
Mechs are not viable simply because the tech to actually make one came too late after large armored vehicles have already become obsolete.

Ukraine shit is literally just liquidating two nations' worth of tanks and ordinance so they can free up space and make an excuse to bill both taxbases for replacement equipment.

>>712408648
I did use that one. Literally the first two words of my initial reply were "Too tall."

>>712408769
>Turretcuck trying to step into the ring with a ballGOD

>>712408798
Up until they make them and they're all like "woah these are sick, why did we wait until tanks got hardcountered into irrelevancy to start making these?"

>>712408639
>based mother nature creates a bunch of cool organic mechs (animals)
>never creates a single creature with treads and a main cannon
sad!

>>712408836
>Mechs are not viable simply because the tech to actually make one came too late after large armored vehicles have already become obsolete.

Pure mechfag copium right here.

>>712408928
Says the tankfag coping hard

>>712407774
At least choose the robot that actually turns into an F-22

>>712408554
No, a car is technically piloted because you sit inside it.

>>712408554
If it has treads, you can consider it being "driven", but 99.9% of mechs/mecha, even those with treads, are usually considered piloted even if they literally cannot elevate beyond standard walking/standing.

>>712408895
>Using gamer terminology when discussing real world military application

This is why your opinion can't be taken seriously.

>>712408916
>never creates a single creature with treads and a main cannon
a cobra

>>712408613
That work exactly like radio waves. That's kinda the point. You don't see anyone in MSG bending spoons and levitating themselves, it's literally just brainwaves being amplified into the radio spectrum.

>>712409035
>gets blown up by a uke holding a gamepad
The future belongs to the gamers.

>>712408956
>"N-n-n-no, you're the one coping!!!!"

You're losing momentum mechfag. The bantz war is swinging in my favor.

>>712409035
>Last words before getting BTFO of life by a drone user controller gaymer

>>712408964
There's a reason it's still called a cockpit in racing circles.

>>712409056
>no treads
>no main cannon
nice try, dipshit
that is a BASED octopedal mech specced for melee combat

>>712409063
Then why does it need a psychic... I mean "Newtype" to pilot if its just amplifying brain waves?

>>712409115
COPE, your tanks are outdated. They're history now old man, the future is coming.

>>712401901
Someone explained to me at one point that walking is effectively "Highly calculated and well-rehearsed falling over and catching oneself", and then I later applied that same philosophy to walking backwards. When I found out how it felt to walk backwards with the knowledge that it's basically just calculated falling, I got so used to it that I can walk backwards just as easily as I do forwards, and this literally took me about an hour to go from stumbling to near-perfect backwards walking. At that singular moment I feel like something broke in me and I will never perceive anything the same way I did before that.

>>712408958
Suck my dick, fag. F-15s are cooler.

>>712409076
Mhmm. I'm sure it does. I bet you think the military uses terms like "DPS" too, don't you?

>>712391859
no you have to write a lot of autistic fiction about how mech combat is mandated by a convoluted honor system created to deliberately curtail technological advancement out of fear of the spiraling arms race resulting in the extinction of mankind

>>712409152
an octopus

>>712409164
>Can only keep using the same line over and over again

You've completely run out of steam, mechfag.

>>712409217
I like how this has been done so many times I don't know which particular setting you're referring to.

>>712409152
wtf I was certain this post said scorpion
cia is shooting me with their top secret retard beam again

>>712409206
They say "get owned, noobs!" when they blow tanks up. I heard them say it.

>>712409180
Then get better taste in robots

>>712409275
If I'm out of steam, you're out of oil and running on fumes tankfag.

>>712409298
This is actually true, a lot of the current generation of tankers grew up playing Call of Duty and the like.

>>712409217
This. Making some convoluted and entirely unrealistic narrative gymnastics is the only way mechs can be made to seem viable because even the writers of mech fiction know how impractical and stupid such an idea is.

>>712409217
>no you have to write a lot of autistic fiction about how mech combat is mandated by a convoluted honor system created to deliberately curtail technological advancement out of fear of the spiraling arms race resulting in the extinction of mankind
This is my favorite explanation aside from "It looks cool"

power armor, on the other hand, is very practical and something that several militaries have been actively developing for decades

>>712401274
Just sign up for Human+, nothing can go wrong* then

>>712409378
Nah, I've been running circles around you. Pointing out all the flaws in your shitty mechs. And all you can come back with is "muh drones!!!!" Tanks may be obsolete, but at least they had over a century of battlefield dominance. How many years of battlefield dominance did mechs have again? Zero.

>>712409419
>>712409217
>>712409281
This but for literally every scifi setting where they don't just lightspeed bomb each others planets.
All scifi handwaves this because it's boring and the story ends after 1 page.
"and then they lightspeed bombed each other" < most realistic scifi story ever written.
>>712409535
>Tanks may be obsolete
concession accepted.

>>712409535
At least mechs won't be btfo'd by a zoomer piloting a drone.

>>712408876
Balltards are just the inferior attempt at reaching the Tube übermensch.

>>712409313
Hahaha

>>712409565
xeelee sequence managed to make a compelling narrative in a setting where lightspeed bombing exists

>>712409565
>concession accepted

The typical response of a cowardly faggot who can't come up with anymore counterpoints and is ow cowardly fleeing from the discussion.

You overplayed your hand anon. You had me for a bit there, but you just wouldn't quit. You kept responding and gave me time to regroup and shift the momentum in my favor.

>>712409217
The Forever Winter gave a pretty decent justification for mech warfare.
>Due to almost all satellites being destroyed intentionally in the nuclear war that kicked off events, 99.9% of long-ranged communication is literally impossible, and that small fragment otherwise is only "long" insofar as you have a chain of short-range radios and local comms that bounce messages off of each other
>Aircraft is generally unviable because long-distance combat usually invovles engaging targets that frequently will not be in the area when you've reached it, but /some/ aircraft like Eurasian helicopters are deployed quickly enough to engage targets immediately and quickly return to base, and others like the Corpse Bombers just fly over long stretches of territory and drop cyborgs anywhere they receive a ping that seems like an active battlefield or is near one
>Tanks and other vehicles do exist, but due to the cartoonishly fucked-up architecture caused by reconstruction from giant Builders that regularly tear a city apart and "rebuild" it, roads frequently end in dead-drops thousands of feet deep, giant ravines show up in urban areas, and other pathways are broken up by dead-ends everywhere
>All of that while immediate comms are generally harried by countermeasures from the enemy, forcing you to have to rely on immediate communication, and most of the mechs just enter a battlefield and need to engage every theoretical target that could be there, rather than being specialized to take out one type of target
>They are also usually backed up by a wide range of other units, and don't get deployed unless shit has gotten particularly hairy, usually being the shock troop that wipes out serious problems while the infantry swarm around and mop up any targets the mech isn't already shooting at

>>712409593
>Muh drones!!!!!

That's literally all you mechfags have to fall back on.

>>712409627
>tubenigger announces how he prefers phallic objects

>>712409710
>You had me
Second concession accepted
>>712409736
Pity they forgot to make a good game and instead made dollar store tarkov.

>>712391246 (OP)
>board invaded by browns/pajets
>all threads about fun stuff/fantasy/sci-fi is contaminated by those walking cancers talking about muh reelism

cool, very nice

>>712409803
>Can't even deny the argument
Kek

>>712409901
Muh Realismfags have been here for more than a decade. They're basically the present version of those middleschool Atheists who thought they were the most intelligent humans alive.

>>712409803
>fall back
you mean that thing tankcucks do whenever an ALPHA DRONE BVLL is in the area?

>>712409960
Nah, you just get bothered when reality gets in the way of your shitty little weeaboo fantasies.

>>712408567
Transformers have a pocket dimension that let's them store excess mass when in vehicle mode but if someone wasn't aware of the mass shifting, you could almost buy them turning into cars in scenes like in the 1st movie where Bumblebee turned back into a Camaro after his fight, and then when you fund out about the mass shifting, if you were to go back to that scene, you'd see his excess mass disappear underneath the car.
https://youtu.be/dt4O16Jc-nw?si=C4Z5ELxwYO6Lg61_

>>712391859
You'd need some borderline physics breaking technology to make something like an AC a viable machine. It would need something like a nuclear or fusion reactor to power it, extremely efficient rocket/jet engines to achieve liftoff, light but durable materials to construct it and most importantly some fucking way of letting the pilot deal with the g forces and inertia of the movements of the AC.

An AC can go from flying at ridicilous sanic speeds to dead stop in near instant. That sort of shit would kill a person piloting it without some sort of protection.

>>712410080
>Nah, you just get bothered when reality gets in the way of your shitty little christian fantasies
Wow, he's got a point.

>>712409927
Because unlike mechfags, I don't deny reality. Weapons become obsolete. It's a fact of war. Better to have existed and become obsolete than to have never even made it to the design phase.

>>712391246 (OP)
Anything in AC shits on IRL stuff and that's just AC. Mech Warrior, Gundam, or even fucking VOTOMS could mog it

>>712394169
JET TENGU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9H5ZMubZ_8

>>712410080
Literally proving him right.

>>712408321
Fuck you. Guntank isn't retarded, YOU'RE retarded.

>>712391246 (OP)
><>
rip fromtroons you never stood a chance

>>712391246 (OP)
I like both

>>712410343
No, it's retarded. Even in the show it sucked and always performed worse than both the Gundam and Guncannon.

>>712410093
AC1-3 and 5 mechs are a lot more grounded and weighty. 6's are closer to 4's NEXTs which only people with certain psychic traits were able to pilot via the Allegorical Manipulation System.

>>712391859
bombing from distance would be cheaper

>>712391246 (OP)
Now put the Jet next to a NEXT from AC 4/4A and see how that works

>>712410379
Having more than six missiles is mech coded.

Heavy Object
Mechas, tanks, and planes are obsolete.
The logical conclusion is obviously to have a nuclear reactor on treads with hundreds of weapons strapped on to it

>>712410295
>"Waaaaa, stop pointing out reality to me!!!! Just let me live in my fantasy world, okay!!!!!"

Nobody gives a flying fuck about muh realism. People like mechs because they are fucking cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncza2Csb14w

>tanks
>jets
>mechs
ENTER

>>712410414
Your mother sucks my Guntank's 120mm shoulder cannons and the 2 quadruple bop missile launchers

>>712410676
>Nobody gives a flying fuck about realism
>Mechfags have spent the whole thread trying to come up with ways to make mechs practical

Clearly you do care about realism.

>>712410806
>Laughs in hypersonic missile

>>712410806
>gets DRONE'D
ohohoho no no noooooo!

enough. the super robot GODS are here

>>712410837
Nigger most of the posts itt are about how mechs are not realistic and how they would need some sort of fantastical tech to even be viable, and most of those posts are made by people who like mecha.

>>712410869
Hypersonic missiles are a meme. They've literally been intercepted consistently by the old as fuck Patriot missile system in Ukraine.

>>712410927
Amerimut copium detected

>>712410417
There's still the overboost in the older games though, where you're from nothing to 300+ MPH
Or I was getting my speed and heat mixed up, in which case ignore me

>>712410676
>Mechs look cool
>Chooses some retarded anime shit as an example

Mechs do look cool, but not the type you posted. Mechs like the ones in BattleTech, Chromehounds and AC5 are what look cool. That gritty, semi-realistic look.

>>712410869
hypersonic GLIDE missile
the gliding is the important part, because that is what lets it avoid radar detection
missiles that travel at hypersonic speeds have actually existed for quite a while. in fact, that destroyer probably has a small complement of hypersonic missiles for shooting down other missiles

>>712411096
Those are all anime mecha and magical technology with infinity missiles and guns the size of a tank.

>>712411096
Like King Joe Storage Custom?

>>712410806
Nice perfect for precision strikes on little yemeni kids
Why not Mexican drug cartels? Nah that wouldn't work

>>712411096
I can't tell if this is just genuine retardation or a well crafted b8.

>>712411149
No, those aren't anime mechs. Made by Japanese yes, but not anime. Anime mechs are too clean and stylistic. I like the grounded industrial "tank on legs" look.

>>712410806
>Gets missiled

>>712411210
Off topic. Keep your shitty political statements out of this. Take it over to /pol/ if you want to spout your political nonsense.

>>712391246 (OP)
My brothers... there is a third path.

>>712411271
I watched anime and the mecha were realistic in it, and they were the same as those. They're anime.

>>712411271
Retard, armored core is just as "anime" as something like Zone of the Enders is.
There is nothing "realistic" about the armored cores.

>>712411361
The path of the hybrid. Not the towering giants of Gundam, nor the gritty clunkers of BattleTech, but the mid-sized, fast, modular warmachines—think Front Mission or VOTOMS. Compact enough to not be strategic missile bait, but still big enough to stomp a humvee and carry serious firepower. Not piloted by angsty teens or grizzled space samurai but by sweaty, underpaid PMCs with neural links and a death wish. Embrace the third path, brothers.

>>712406815
even worse, they are actually 40mm 4-tube missile launchers

>>712411470
>Mechfag fails at reading comprehension

I said AC5 specifically, not the entire franchise. Try to actually comprehend what you read before responding. Fucking faggot ass dick sucking retard.

>>712411012
Oh, yeah I'm retarded I dunno how OB slipped my mind.

>>712411591
You like mechs, you're a mechfag.

>>712411562
really? only 40mm? why are the holes so big then?

>>712411624
You like cocks, you're an actual fag.

>>712391859
I believe spider mechs or at least insect mechs would be more practical in real life compared to human-like mechs.

>>712391246 (OP)
We can't. Even the most realistic mechs still required an amout of suspention of disbelief.

>>712391246 (OP)
by having the mecha ride the plane?

>>712411591
>brown and bloom + bulky armor plates = realism
Lmao, you are a fucking retard. AC 5 is just as fucll of anime bs as any other armored core game is. Nothing about that game or the mechs in it is any more or less realistic than the other entires in the franchise.

>>712411678
sure, there are definitely terrain types that multiple pairs of legs would fair better in than treads or wheel, such as rocky mountainous terrain, but at that point you might as well just use a helicopter
there aren't too many situations where you are going to be in one of those terrain types and have helicopter not be the better option

>>712411676
I didn't say I liked cocks. You said you like mechs.
>>712411661
Cause they wouldn't let them sign off on designs unless the toy manufacturers were happy.

>>712411770
We do need more mechs that ride things

>>712411795
That looks a hell of a lot more like something humans would actually build for war than the shit you see in Gundam.

>>712411931
It's a gundam but with a bunch of humvee bits stuck on.

>>712411867
You said it without saying it.

>>712411880
How about a mech piloting a bigger mech?

>>712411994
>I like mechs
concession accepted

The only situation I can see mechs being actually viable in is non-terrestrial warfare, such as on Mars or wherever, in a situation where you need something to fill an infantry-like role. I could certainly see a spacesuit with a powered exoskeleton and some guns strapped on eventually turning into a small mech.

>>712411661
none of the fucking armaments except the beam shit makes sense in gundam. zakus are firing huge ass 100mm machineguns that never overheat and they sound like pepperboxes.

>>712412046
Accept deez nutz in yo' mouf nigga!

>>712412012
Kek that's awesome

I'm surprised more fantasy settings don't use mechs. The fact that most of such setting features golems and the like means that most of the design hurdles have already been crossed, and all that needs to be done is strapping a chair to it. Plus literal magic would give you some more leeway with exotic weapons

>>712412634
Fantasy is pretty famous for being pretty formulaic. You do anything tolkien didn't do and people start freaking out.

>>712412634
Because mechs don't fit into the medieval aesthetic that every seems to think is essential to the fantasy genre.

>>712412712
>giant knights dont fit into the medieval aesthetic
huh?

>>712412634
I think part of it is just because of people expecting modern fantasy shows to be closer to a LoTR/GoT style or something like it

If you look back in the day you found more cases of 90s and 80s fantasy having huge mecha around, it's too bad though fantasy mecha is nice when it's done well

>>712412634
Because all modern fantasy stems from Tolkein who was a staunch anti-industrialist and DnD's more boring settings like Forgotten Realms where there is literally an illuminati of elves that run around bumping off anyone trying to break medieval stasis to bring Faerûn out of its stereotypical fantasy existence. Shit like Eberron with sentient magitek golems exists but you never see hack writers and gamedevs use it as inspiration.

Regular sized Mobile Suits are obviously not realistic or whatever but what about the Loto?

It "transforms" into a tank that transports troops and it's main purpose is support fire but it also comes equipped with at least one small arm that ejects a beam knife.

>>712412517
Oh it gets better

>>712412979
That's kinda why I can't stand most fantasy shit. Everything's stuck to the D&D standards of fantasy and groups and shit.
Well, maybe Dark Souls type of post-apocalyptic fantasy setting is the other thing that took over.

>>712412798
I'm not saying I believe it, I'm just saying that's what fantasyfags will tell you if you ask them this question.

>>712391859
There's an argument to be made for a more flexible weapon's platform now that lasers are certainly going to become cheaper and powerful-er.
Who knew that muv luv was a mildly accurate prediction of near future warfare

>>712413176
What do they eat

>>712410927
To the last Ukrainian.

>>712407040
You've invented modern ship warfare

>>712403905
You have no idea how much I was hoping Igloo would end with the team running into Amuro and getting btfo.

>>712413183
And both of them could be improved with mecha.

>>712409874
What a faggy response to both posts.

>>712410426
we still fight ground wars today

>>712402205
>best Guyver game we have and will ever have is Warframe
grim, innit?

>>712415387
I'm sorry forever winter was gay and died.

>>712415454
I'm sorry Forever Winter reminded you of your only sex partner, it's never easy losing a father.

>>712415664
hey wait a minute... I don't think you're sorry at all! I think you're trying to insult me all cause I said a game was dead and gay...

mechs are cool

I'm playing Armored Core: Formula Front and I need to know if there are more sports mecha games.
I'll also accept sports racing flight games.

>>712415821
Actually I'm insulting you because you act like a fag. But I am still sorry for your loss...

>>712407774
based and gobot pilled

>>712416058
Again, I'm so, so sorry forever winter is dead, because it was gay. There's only so many ways I can express my condolences on your dead gay game.

>>712415825
True.

>>712416053
https://store.steampowered.com/app/547360/BREAK_ARTS_II/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2522430/BREAK_ARTS_III/
?

>>712416573
I dunno how they got three of those games out cause none of them feel that great. They're not great mech games or racers.
Felt like it had a big leg up when it was one of the only mech games on steam and it still wasn't very popular.

>>712408532
> Large carrier
> Deploy drones while it moves
It's a drone carrier. That's not futuristic nor crazy enough to be a Metal Gear
Also
> Arsenal Gear already has drone RAYs

>>712391532
An f-15 can fly with only one wing. I would not be surprised if it could also stand on its own.

>>712394169
BASED.

>>712415408
Any war is a ground war, bombing campaigns are either skrimishes or operations in a larger (ground) war

>>712417662
no- it would be a large metal gear (like most metal gears) where a section of it would be a hangar that the drones come out of. the only reason i said that is that in universe one of the memes was that the metal gear needed stuff to protect it. You could make something which is just a metal gear but now make it 20% larger to account for the drone bay. its a game so you could do something crazier if you wanted like a miniature factory that the drone would land in and it would get charged up and restocked with crap even since its such an over the top universe.

>>712412634
Escaflowne did this and I can't believe they are the only one that made it.

>>712406710
>he didn't weld antidrone broccoli hair on his tank
NGMI.

>>712418994
It wasn't the only one. Watch more anime.

>>712409171

Walking is literally just falling over then catching yourself before you hit the floor.

I work with amputees, and we always have to teach them they need to learn that walking is just falling over and then catching yourself, over and over and over again.
The ones that understand this and get over the fear of falling usually do well, the ones who don't usually end up giving up.

>>712419151
leon if he tank

>oh, there's a new mech game on stea-
>you don't actually play as the mech
Please, please for the love of god, I'm pleading with tears in my eyes, stop making turn based rpg rts shmup 2d platformer tactics games with a hint of isometric survivors.

Please for the love of god just make games where I play as the mech.

>>712418994
Such a kino anime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsEjTzQDDRs

>>712394169
I was wondering when someone would post a Valk or a Seeker.

>>712408037
tankCHADS stay winning.

>>712396172
>this is what the average aviation fag is like
grim

>>712410876
We stand proud and tell for a reason.

>>712410927
crimea in 2 weeks lol

>>712411101
You seem confused

Hypersonic GLIDE VEHICLE is not the same thing as Hypersonic missiles.

And no, normal ICBMs reaching hypersonic speeds in some stages of flight is NOT what military analysts refer to when they talk about Chinese hypersonic missiles.
It's akin to newly tumor cope of "B-2 bomber is actually a 6th gen fighter because it's a flying wing design" which sprouted in order to cope with reality that Chengdu and Shenyang are flying the world's only 6th gen fighter jets.

Americans and their allies do not have HGV or hypersonic missiles. Atmospheric ICBMs are not it and every single actual hypersonic program gets cancelled.
Americans and heir allies do not have 6th fighters either. Flying wing bombers are not it.

>>712421775
Day 1204 of the 3 day special military operation.

>>712422715
It's not time-limited. It's hohol-limited.

Some hohols still dare to breathe? The svinorez is not over. Simple as.

>>712419805
leon if he tank but every time he reloads it plays a dramatic camera spin and zooms into the treads glistening from rain as he monologues about the meaning of war and how only love can end the cycle of violence. Kojima would greenlight this instantly.

>>712391246 (OP)
800 mm shoulder mounted flak