MGS4 is 17 years old today (fuck I’m old). How do we feel about it nowadays? I still love it despite what faggots say.

Made me lose respect for the MGS franchise. Before this people believed Kojima was a genius 100% unironically, 4 kind of exposed him as a half-hack that makes shit up along the way

>>712439878 (OP)
>MGS4 is 17 years old today (fuck I’m old)
Jesus christ. I beat the first 4 games again a few years ago and once again, I wished 4 didnt have the broken up levels. It just doesn't flow as well as the other games, and the cool parts are just too brief. Way too much padding and exposition, but he was trying to wrap things up so I get it. Still one of the best last boss fights in history

Haven't played it in a while, but my opinions about it basically changed with every replay.
And I did in fact replay it. So, it wasn't that bad, though it may have included skipping a lot of cutscenes.
The gameplay was stellar when it actually happened. I liked some chapters a lot more than most people, it seems. Chapter 3 has awful lore-dumps, a very awkward driving section and the boss fight was meh. But the actual sneaking and shadowing was really cool. People seemed to hate this part, too, but it's one of the most pure stealth sections of the whole game.
Chapter 4 (Shadow Moses) was pure nostalgia-bait - in a good way. Finding the SOCOM, equipping it and pulling it out, Snake muttering these words. Great job, Kojima. Also, sneaking past these robots was a good change of pace.
MGS4 overall has some really high heights but also some terrible lows. And the cutscene to gameplay ratio is awful. That really holds it back. Though, I also have a soft-spot for Old Snake.

>>712439878 (OP)
Never played it, waiting for the collection

>>712440413
Holy fippy bippy.

MGS 4 raped the series beyond the point of no return in terms of plot. And as if that wasn't bad enough, it was a bad game.
>B-B-B-BUT MUH ONLIN-
I had a PC back then, I wasn't wasting my time playing multiplayer shooters on console

>>712441035
I'm amazed Kojima is still revered as this auteur even though he made 4. It's a uniquely unpleasent experience as a game and a story. I don't think its an exaggeration to call it one of the worst games ever made, certainly that I've played.

Yep, 17 years later and kino from start to finish

>>712439878 (OP)
i love it but the gameplay sections are a little bit too short. if you skip all cutscenes, the game can be beat in around 3 hours. a large portion of that time is because of the on rails car sections that you can't speed up.

Never bought a PS3 so I never played it. I tried emulating it a few years ago and couldn't get it to work.

giv MGO2

>>712441353
The apex of poorly done fanservice that achieves nothing other than memberberries.

>>712441035
It was really funny how everyone defended it by saying it was him killing metal gear as a franchise out of spite or some other fanfiction and then he just went on to make more and they were just as fucking stupid.

Best game in the series. The more insane Kojima gets and the more he pisses nerds off the better the game is. Cutscenes should have been 10 times longer and more insane to piss off even more nerds, angry about their toys. You know Kojima even talked about being frustrated that snake has become a toy of nerds and draws analogies between soldiers being used by governments and politicians

>>712442070
Instead he just became obsessed with white women.

>>712440609
Digital version is better and cheap, no chapter installs

Just boot it up and I have to wait 30 minutes for it to compile.

>OH MY GOD BIG BOSS IS ALIVE!!! AND HE'S HAVING A HEARTFELT MOMENT WITH SNAKE THIS IS SO FUCKING EPIIIIIIIC

>...

>...

>I mean... Heh. I like the game cause it pisses off the nerds. Heh.

You have to play it on The Boss Extreme it’s the best gameplay in the series.

>>712443049
i like mgs4 but that isn't true. if you like modern controls and design, MGSV is leagues ahead. if you like something a little more unique with lots of little personalized details of who different elements interact within a game, mgs3 plays the best.

>>712443703
MGSV plays incredibly well but it’s not the same as classic MGS style like 4. Ironically V has too much open space you can run to and hide in.

My cousin had it. I was like 5 and confused on why this old guy was running around dressed as a soldier on a battlefield.

>>712443957
the first two chapters of 4 had good design. the third chapter, in europe, was abysmal. fun idea, poor execution. chapter 4, shadow moses, was kind of neat but also did not have enough dynamic enemies save for the odd gekko. most of the level is rolling over and crawling under the laser sensors of the dwarf gekkos. chapter 5 has the best sneaking section in the game, but it is only a single room as the entire chapter is only 3 rooms (atop arsenal, screaming mantis fight, revolver ocelot fight).

>>712439878 (OP)
Mgs4's Love Theme track is still pure kino.

>>712446247
Facts!

>>712439878 (OP)
YOU SICK FUCK.
OUT OF TEN.

>>712446247
Two Han Princess is the best MGS4 track, period and I am forever mad I can't find the drama CD with the track on it.

Tranquilizer simulator and fan service slop

Tlou2 mogs everything

>>712444707
>the third chapter
Act 3 had huge signs of "we had a lot of ideas for this area, but none of it came to be."
They wanted the octocamo mask to play a big part in an espionage/detective chapter where you concealed your identity and talked to people to get leads on the location of the rebel base while you shook the three gekkos in a trenchcoat off your trail. Then they cut it all the way down to walking behind the whistling guy for a couple minutes. There are entire map areas that you NEVER visit (on any difficulty) if you just follow the guy.

>>712447328
Go fuck yourself tranny lover

>>712447358
So many secrets in that level that are fun to find

>>712439878 (OP)
Looking back, the game was probably only five hours long without the cutscenes
>ch1, maybe 2 hours? bit of an anticlimax at the end and the frog fight sucked ass
>ch2, best part of the game IMO, a few hours at most, tank section, great boss fight in the hut.
>ch3, literally half an hour
>ch4: maybe two hours? Most boss fights of any chapter
>ch5: you get to the bridge after the mantis fight and it's game over. Everything after is scripted. The mantis fight was pretty much the final boss.

It's one of the videogames of all time

>>712450504
can't really argue that

>>712441379
This. I always loved it. The cutscenes are kino and I listen them every few years

>>712447358
>There are entire map areas that you NEVER visit (on any difficulty) if you just follow the guy.
but if you stray too far from him or you let him get accosted, you lose. it's fucking bullshit.

>>712439878 (OP)
Kojima made no bad games. MGS4 is great.
I still remember being a dumbass who read ign for my game reviews and they gave MGS4 a perfect 10

>>712453127
that's literally not true you can explore a bit and find him again

>>712439878 (OP)
>How do we feel about it nowadays?
I still love MGO2

>>712440413
>Made me lose respect for the MGS franchise.
I guess you missed 3 lol

I couldn't get into MGSV's stealth. It felt ridiculous to get that close to enemies and they don't notice you.

>>712454549
This. MGS4 was a lot harder to sneak past guards right under their nose. Going for a no alert run is god tier in that game.

>”lol lmao why is Snake stressing over these beautiful women.”
>turning forty soon
>lost a good chunk of my sex drive
>young beautiful women seem so out of reach
>can’t even keep a hard on if I wanted to


Bros. Not like this…

>>712454907
why do you think Kojima let the boss babes molest you in the white space? Its his dream he goes to every night.

>>712440413
between all the bullshit he came out with in that game, I still find the direction change of the AI the most insulting, I guess "war economy" was easier to deal with than "info war" but then that idiot did it again with 5 when "words that kill" are literally a fucking vocabulary based parasite that kills, don't go into the propaganda aspect and double think if you can't even remotely deliver on it.
>>712441353
oh you see he is a genius, Big Boss not actually going nuclear and just being made up by the patriots was intentional, he didn't explain it and you don't get it, even if he went out of his way to bring back a comedy character and carefully detail why his diarrhea was a plot device against nanomachines.

>>712454831
>Going for a no alert run is god tier in that game.
even on the boss extreme, it isn't difficult. the only room with any challenge to do that at all is on top of arsenal in chapter 5.

>>712457206
ok god gamer

So is the master collection worth getting now in 2025 did they finnally fix all the issues at launch

>>712457292
i'm not, i'm actually shit at videogames. it is just that MGS4 is not a very difficult game. no metal gear game is, them being "challenging" is not why i love them. the hardest metal gear game is MGSS2 on euro extreme.

>>712457468
I bought it from a key reseller at half price for my steam deck, haven't tried it yet.

>>712457468
Only if you can't or don't want to emulate originals. It's mostly the HD collection (xbox version with bad audio) with fixes.

>>712439878 (OP)
A HIDEO KOJIMA GAME

>>712454907
You need to get your diet right. Your dick and sex drive doesn't just naturally disappear, you don't have menopause as a man. Get your blood tested for deficiencies. Get off whatever medications you are taking.

>>712457959
BASED

>>712454907
because the two grandpas kissing each other in the final fight are gay

>>712460571
ON A HIDEO KOJIMA GAME

>>712439878 (OP)
I liked the designs a lot.

>>712461005
same very sleek and cool

>>712439878 (OP)
It's my least favorite game in the series, but I still like it a lot. From where I'm sitting, it's a 7/10. I'd like it more if the game wasn't mostly cutscenes.
MGO2 was craaaaaazy, also. I really hope that Kojima gives us another multiplayer game someday. I liked MGO3 too.

>>712454907
How can someone escape this fate?

>>712454907
>mid 40's
>hard like a rock every day
>not bald
>but fat and ugly
Fug.

It was so weird. The loading screen tells you smoking is harmful to your body, and snake makes it looks so cool in the background. It's so conflicting.

>>712439878 (OP)
Best MGS game. There are no games after it.

>>712440643
>Chapter 4 (Shadow Moses) was pure nostalgia-bait - in a good way. Finding the SOCOM, equipping it and pulling it out, Snake muttering these words. Great job, Kojima. Also, sneaking past these robots was a good change of pace.
The moment when the helipad comes into sight just as The Best is Yet to Come starts is kino

I might break out the ps3 and replay it now

>>712462929
He's a dead man walking. He doesnt give a shit.

>>712440413
fpbp

>>712463694
stupid old man. die already.

>saves the world multiple times
>"im not hero. I'm just a hired killer"

Nigger shut the fuck up

>>712466332
>"saves the world"
>let's niggers kill each other more
heh, betcha didn't think that through :^)

>>712447328
I feel bad for you if you actually believe that

>>712439878 (OP)
Last real MGS. True boss unit, levels made to stealth. It goes overboard in tying up every lose end and is overindulgent with cutscenes, but some of them are incredibly entertaining. Best final boss of the series, and one of the best in video games in general. Last time MGO was fun.
I love it. Naysayers can say whatever they want about it being a movie but the only chapter that comes remotely close to this is Chapter 3. Every other chapter has a decent cutscene to gameplay ratio.

MGS MC Vol. 2 when Konami?