Thread 712459612

no spoilers

around here https://youtu.be/xnzs5eOXqs0

>>712459612 (OP)

is anybody else exciting about amount of porn and ethots are embracing this game

makes some good fappening

>>712459612 (OP)
>When I heard the menu music
>When I heard the main characters name and the game's name in the prologue music
>When Sophie admitted she was a coward
>The Gommage
>Seeing Lune's face
>End of the Prologue
>Act I opening on a Persona 3 reference
The first hour of this game is nonstop kino.

>>712461186
>>Act I opening on a Persona 3 reference
It does?
I've played both games, but admittedly it's been a while since I played P3. What;'s the reference?

Parry.

>>712461495
Don't be so pathetic.
A genuine serious emotional moment where he wants to kill himself because all hope is lost, and you're
>lee mao it'th perthoooonaaaaa
Way to fucking ruin storytelling with your referential humour.

>>712459612 (OP)
Flying Waters

>>712461676
It's almost as bad as r*dditors comparing real life events to Disney slop. Nigga needs to go outside and touch some grass.

>>712459612 (OP)
When Woolie beat it off camera and now he's being a reaction vampire making Reggie play it blind.

>>712459612 (OP)
It's not. It's just an average but competently made game.

>>712461495
kek

>>712461961
>It's just an average but competently made game.
>competently made
That makes it above average by today's standards.

>>712459612 (OP)
I realized it was boring after about an hour. The praise baffles me

>>712459612 (OP)
There hasnt been a single E33 thread in the last month that actually discusses the game itself. Just shill threads like this asking people to praise it or talk about the gay endings

>>712459612 (OP)
the characters are ugly and the game was shilled far too much in unrelated places i will not be playing it

>>712462627
>>712462740
Good morning sir do not redeem the france game

I lost interest once I got to Act 3

>>712459612 (OP)
When they Sephirothed the protagonist.

>>712459612 (OP)
I finished the game today and I have mixed feelings
Act 1 was ludo kino deluxe and it sat the bar so high I was literally dreaming about what would happen next
Once it got revealed that it was just a family feud and basically a dream world I got severely disappointed and I was sure that Gustave would come back, either as the evil mastermind behind it all or returning to save the party from certain doom. That didn't happen either so the character just felt thrown away and underused. They managed to salvage it somewhat with Verso's ending, but I just felt the game had wasted a lot of potential.
Also, the skill trees could definitely use some work, you don't really need to max them out so you end up with a bunch of leftover points and abilities you don't really need to use (btw Monoco is fucking OP, love this nigga). And I experienced some weird bugs where when running it would stutter, the music would just randomly stop and the camera being wonky.

I give it a strong 8 out of 10

>>712467157
>just a family feud and basically a dream world
It's not though, and that's the big IQ filter I keep seeing with this game. The canvas world is a creation, yes, but the game spends hours and hours very clearly and deliberately showing you that everyone in it is very much a real person with free will and independent thought. Anyone who sees the twist and then just handwaves everything they've seen up to that point as "oh they're just made up lol" didn't understand it at all

>>712459612 (OP)
in the intro

>>712461676
It was a good joke, anon. You don't have to butthurt for not immediately getting it.

>>712467529
>It's not though
it is, since it's not reality

>>712459612 (OP)
Meeting this guy and then realising that he's the airship/transport of the game like classic FF.

>Advertisers, please keep pretending the game is interesting
>We got the admins to ban some of the actual vidya threads
You lost again capital I Indies

>>712468180
The Dessendres have control over literal magic, anon. Aline created living, breathing people that have their own independent thoughts and desires, who can have children who are just as sapient. She didn't paint all these people with the desire to rise up against her and kill her, they reached that point on their own

>>712468415
It's not reality therefore not real

>>712468659
By that logic, E33 is a video game therefore nothing in it is real, so why care about any of it

>>712467529
NTA. I agree with everything you said, hence why I chose Maelle's ending. Yet I still felt disappointed with the twist. It made the world feel small and insignificant. I felt the same way about the twist at the start of Metro Exodus. I hate when games do that.

>>712468949
>E33 is a video game therefore nothing in it is real
Very observant of you, anon.

>>712469182
If only I knew how to properly understand storytelling and worldbuilding like you do, bro

>>712467529
ok but by being in the canvas they are destroying the world and only has 33 years left. and then everybody die. and they are only paintings

>>712467529
>Anyone who sees the twist and then just handwaves everything they've seen up to that point as "oh they're just made up lol" didn't understand it at all
That's just called being an asmongoloid drone

>>712459612 (OP)
It's a special ed game. Uncanny 3D VR WEGTAI character models, dumb combat, stupid hackneyed sentimental story, who BOUGHT this?

>>712459612 (OP)
it's not. it's a mediocre JRPG. like 7/10

any hype for it is a result of extensive shilling - the story and balancing are garbage

>>712469427
>by being in the canvas they are destroying the world and only has 33 years left
Renoir is the one doing that, Aline was trying to keep them all alive. Without Renoir gommaging everyone, there is no time limit anymore

>>712469525
>anything that isn't anime style is WEG
Mental disorder.

>>712467529
Asmongold disagrees.

The first fight with Renoir where the camera zooms out and you see Sciel and Lune trying to fight off the Lampmaster. I like how the HUD stayed and it didn’t turn into a cutscene it made it feel like I was watching something I shouldn’t be.

>>712468353
Quick rundown on Sandfall Entertainment:
>rothschilds bow to Sandfall Entertainment
>in contact with aliens
>rumoured to possess psychic abilities
>controls 4chan with an iron but fair fist
>owns castles and banks all over the world
>direct descendant of the ancient Russian royal blood line
>will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Sandfall Entertainmentgrad will be be the first city)
>owns basically every DNA editing research facility on Earth
>first designer babies will be Gremlin Sandfall Entertainment Babies
>said to have 200+ IQ
>owns Nanobot R&D labs around the world
>You likely have Sandfall Entertainmentbots inside you right now
>learned fluent game design in under a week
>Sandfall Entertainment will guide humanity into a new age of wisdom, peace and love

>>712459612 (OP)
First trailer.

>>712469584
Kinda, only I would rate it 8/10 since I enjoyed the enjoyable but flawed combat system
>>712469660
There's plenty of scenes where the characters eyes and face are just unnatural as fuck and looks like WEG

>>712469684
Assmongoloid is a smoothbrain who doesn't pay attention to stories in games

>>712468949
yeah they aren't real which is why if you had a crippling addiction to video games, you should quit.

>>712469770
Your complete inability to understand the story within the context of the setting isn't a compelling argument

>>712469762
beats the autists obsessing over canon and get literal cognitive dissonance in the form of an asthma attack over plot holes created by some jap developer making things they think are hype

>>712467529
Its not like the game gives that much of a shit about the painted people. The endings are death or become a cope puppet for their goddes.

>>712469869
so anon, are you going to actually try to explain why "I don't understand" or did you just get BTFOed by FACTS and LOGIC

no need to answer it

>>712469997
>The endings are death or become a cope puppet for their goddes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy

CONTINUER
E T'AIMER

>>712469997
The only one who's a "cope puppet" is Verso, and that's only because he can't handle the intense misery and suffering of living in a beautiful fantasy world with people who care about him for who he is rather than what he was painted to be

>>712459612 (OP)
I wish they didn't remove Gustave from the party, he grew on me. Verso didn't grow on me until the end.
And it being a painted world was sorely disappointing, it removed all tension and just felt like playing doll house

>>712470028
There's no point in trying to explain it to someone who can't comprehend it beyond "but they're not real" despite the game going to extensive lengths to show you otherwise

>>712469592
even then its only a matter of time aline loses it and dies inside the canvas and cannot create more people. so lumiere would eventually die anyway

>>712470331
They can have children on their own, they don't need her to paint more of them

>>712469592
>there is no time limit anymore
Well, until Alicia dies of hunger/thirst/cramps/respiratory failure.

>>712470275
NTA, but explain it then.

>>712469684
Who?

>>712470437
Aline is a master paintress, which in this setting means she can use literal magic to create actual people in the canvas. The Dessendres are basically like greek gods, they're playing with their creations for their own selfish whims and clashes but the people they're toying with are still very much real

>>712459612 (OP)
Unironically here >>712459680
The greatest games have the best tracks. One of the few games where I got every trophy and never got bored from combat like in FF games because they throw too many of the same random encounters in your face.

>>712470159
>it removed all tension
Don't be stupid. You just said you liked Gustave, that's your thinking box telling you that he was a real person. It's like saying "once I found out that this story played in a different country everything became meaningless".

>>712470137
Have you been paying attention at all to the Verso arc?

>>712469728
I also heard they fucked your mom.

>>712470719
Yeah he was a real person alright. A real person whose entire adventure was him being used as a meaningless puppet for the domestic disputes of higher beings.

>>712470719
You just don't get it

>>712459680
Would have been this, but then my settings didn't save because I didn't hit apply, so the game was on my shitlist until Sophie and Gustave started talking with each other.

*ahem*
nigger

>>712469728
bonjour
I am french and I can confirm that we have minitel running inside of nanochips (we call them petites chips) in order to enforce the control over this narrative.
We do not plan on controlling the world, we are only trying to teach the world what a good baguette is.
Au revoir.

>>712461961
>>712462627
>>712462740
No switch port, sorry!

>>712459612 (OP)
By special, do you mean shit? Probably around the time I realised all the final fantasy turn based games were shit & this is no exception, it's just a glorified pokemon with what 90% cinematic slop... I wish they'd fuck off making interactive movies n calling them video games

>>712471407
There will be a Switch 2 port actually. Expect many threads popping up on release week about how it's an "underrated masterpiece".
Imagine having a bing bing wahoo tablet as your main gaming device, what a miserable existence.

>>712471410
>>712471541
No Switch port still, sorry.

>>712459612 (OP)
During the first trailers
Then there was one IGN preview where the guy went full nerd mode about FF10 and how the game made him feel like that
I knew it was going to be special, but I didn't think the music would go so fucking hard

The fact that every single gamer was more interested in what's happening in the real world vs the painted world once the twist was revealed shows that yes, it does matter that we spend the game in a "fake" world. People want to see what's actually happening, not what happens in the fan fiction

>>712459612 (OP)
When I learned it was made by French indies.
It was either going to be some artsy avant-garde shit or properly weird.
Turned out it was both and it was glorious.

>>712471696
>People want to see what's actually happening
Does he know?

>>712471407
i wouldnt buy a switch

>>712471686
It's okay I'm sure they'll add more trans & blacks to your video games

>>712459612 (OP)
Eveque fight, that killing blow was the shit.

>>712472236
>>712472060
Sorry but you wont be able to play this game on your Switch.

>>712470159
strongly agree. the thing about a protagonist in a game is that when you start the game, you undertake a quest with them. there's an emotional investment that exists.

when you kill my nigga Goose, that emotional investment doesn't magically transfer over to the pajeet scammer Verso or Maelle - I just lose interest. I'm not invested in the cast anymore or their story and I've lost a bit of interest in playing on.

I undertook the quest with Gustave not Verso. And the cheap we wuz game of thrones and shit writing for shock value doesn't make the game better

>>712461961
>still seething

>>712467157
>it was a dream
no bigger sign that someone was a brainlet than thinking another dimension is a dream.

>>712470719
terrible analogy anon. you might be on the retardation scale.

people form emotional attachments to characters not to settings.

i'm too lazy to find a picture of the "retard alert" pic so im going to let you off with a warning today

>>712459612 (OP)
When I learned was made by white people.

>>712472461
This post is oozing facts

When I dropped it 10 hours in, 'specially shit is what it is

>>712472461
>GIMME BACK MY FAVORITE TOYYYY

>>712472670
Stop showing your Xitter profile pic, tendie.

>>712472461
>I have the emoitional resilience of a toddler

You didn't have to spell it out in so many words.

>>712472945
Ah, you're one of those special retards I take it?

>>712459612 (OP)
Ultimate Pakapatate. Some random jobber boss shouldn't have gone so hard.

>>712470634
>which in this setting means she can use literal magic to create actual people in the canvas
nowhere does it say this in game anon.

i think you got a glitched copy anon, no wonder your takes are so garbage

>>712472945
>>712473042
not him but the other characters were written in a way that they could have been literal stick figures at the point where Gustave dies, really badly written first acts, maybe it gets better later, I'll never know

>>712473042
explain to me what resilience means in this context since i dont think you know what that means.

why would i need to be resilient anon? character i like dies, i'm not invested in any other characters, i move on. why would i need to be resilient?

i think you might be retarded

>>712473206
is painting not magic?
>>712473235
sciel is pretty underdeveloped by the end of act 1 but saying lune and maelle are stick figures just makes it seem like your only goal is to shit on the game

>>712472664
>No you can't hire qualified senior devs over a junior with no experience, they're white!
Lovely people

>>712473408
And they're still seething about E33 in this very thread

>>712459612 (OP)
once gradient counter was introduced

>>712473396
no? it doesn't say that anywhere in the game. for all we know the "painted worlds" could be an allegory for being immersed in their creations.

but sure, let's pretend it's "magic".

where's your proof that it's actual people that are being created via magic?

>>712471115
>The Odyssey was meaningless because Ulysses was being used as a puppet of higher beings, he wasn't even real

>>712473608
They're using magic in the real world too.
Did you not play the game?

>>712473608
>allegory
We see the frozen bodies of the painters when they're in the canvas, we see canvases floating and flying in the "real" world the painters actually live in. It is without a doubt magic.

>>712461862
>goes off constantly about how Disco Elysium and Planescape are LITERALLY UNSTREAMABLE without full voice acting because muh 2nd monitor / background watchers
>still streams E33 with french dub, tanking his viewership

Is it a weird sense of french-canadian nationalism that sprouted in him?

>>712473608
Do you think people are able to physically enter paintings and experience them as pocket dimensions in real life, retardo?

>>712473896
Sometimes you like a game enough to tank your viewership a bit. It's called being human, autism-kun.

>>712473879
>>712473883
okay their bodies are frozen - doesn't prove there's magic.

for all we know, they could be highly immersed in a fantasy world of their imaginations (i.e. the paintings).

but sure, i'll humor you here. let's say they have magic. where's your proof that they're creating "real people"? nowhere does it say this - they could be similar to AI, able to act and sound like a human but with no feelings, thoughts or emotions of their own. A painted creation with no real sentience.

let me put it in a way that the average 4chinner can understand

>they're real people!
source?

>>712474108
It's still pretty dumb of him when the english dub is also very good and feels hypocritical when he claims to love Disco just as much. Not that it matters to me since I'm not watching either way but it was a curious choice.

>>712474097
how are they physically entering a painting dumbass? you literally just said their bodies are right there

you might be the dumbest poster here lmaooo

>>712474532
>so immersed in their imagination that their bodies are frozen with magical colors appearing all over them
Since that can't happen in the real world, it'd still be magical, just less so.
>Where's your proof that they're creating real people?
I haven't made such a statement but let's play: Can you define what a real person is and what Lumierens lack that excludes them from being real people?

They really went and made Maelle's ass jiggle huh

>>712474532
>A painted creation with no real sentience
Aline didn't paint the canvas people with the desire to come and kill her

>>712474903
>I haven't made such a statement but let's play: Can you define what a real person is and what Lumierens lack that excludes them from being real people?
Must be a different anon then.

Regardless, this kind of dives into the argument of human sentience. AI vs real people type of shit.

Not really going to go in depth here but the main idea is this - can you distinguish between a highly intelligent and realistic AI vs a real person?

Just because they look and act human doesn't mean they're capable of thinking, feeling, suffering, etc. It just means they look and *act* human.

We don't know if they aren't just "programmed" by the painter to act like humans or if they actually are. Given that the painted world is a fantasy metaphysical world conjured by the painters imagination, there's no real proof that the people there are 1) alive 2) sentient and not just highly realistic approximations of real life people. Passing the Turing test doesn't mean you're a real person (google turing test by the way - it dives deeper into the subject of distinguishing machine from human)

>>712475749
>doesn't mean they're capable of thinking, feeling, suffering, etc
Did we play the same game?

why couldnt verso just save everyone?

>>712476169
Because he's a twat.

>>712475749
What makes you think the Lumierens aren't capable of thinking, feeling, or suffering?
>We don't know
Okay, what's the value of that stament?

wtf was her problem?

>>712461495
PE RU SO NA

>>712459612 (OP)
The title theme unironically.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p00EF6_b5pI
It's very funny how in every photo and video of the composer he looks like he's seconds away from dropping dead. Give my man a multivitamin.

>>712475078
yeah and programmers don't write programs that bug out either lol.

machines can not work as intended either. in fact, even looking at AI, we've had countless issues with AI exhibiting "undesirable" behavior such as racism, mistaking black people for gorillas, thinking chinks forgot to open their eyes etc etc.

a creation not having the intended behavior does not prove anything. try again.

that argument applies whether they're "real" (i.e. your neighbor going on a shooting spree) or "fake" sentient (i.e. an AI uprising).

>>712476268
>Aline sees her daughter for the first time
>Tries to burn her alive
What a cunt.

>>712475937
Yeah we did. You just don't understand the fact that a robot that acts human isn't necessarily human. You the type of nigga to fall for an AI telling you that they love you lmao

>>712476358
You're arguing semantics very poorly. Based on everything we know about the history of Lumiere, they have the same experience of their environment and the same inner world as you and me in our reality. Painting magic and shit, it works, and tracks with Aline being uniquely skilled.
This enhances the Greek tragedy-esque story, denying it detracts from it. Unless you really want to believe Renoir literally did nothing, there was no moral weight behind his actions at all.

Painted Alicia...

>>712476263
>meets with real alicia several times without any difficulty
>still chooses to give the letter to verso and not alicia
>starts the letter with "you choose whether or not to give this to her
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO VERSO NOT GIVING THE LETTER WAS BASICALLY RAPE!
goldenroutefags are such fags

>AI arguement
lmao. Even if I picked the Verso ending, they're still people.

>>712476512
The philosophical zombie argument is the lowest of the low, simply because it's unprovable and unfalsifiable. Stop trying to rob the story of its meaning in order to force an objectively "correct" outcome.

>>712459612 (OP)
Never. It's just okay.

>>712459612 (OP)
I feel scammed by you fucking faggots saying it was better than Chrono Trigger and all this shit. I just finished Act 3 with the shitty plot twist, this game is an 8/10 at best.

>>712476640
Did you forget that she was stalking them from the cliff way back? She knew everyone's fates were tied up to Verso, so she was testing him, and he failed her expectations.

>>712476737
What plot twist happens at the end of act 3, rajesh?

>>712476512
You're the type of retard who would immediately kill himself if God came down from on high and told him his life has been a simulation

>>712476794
Headcanon. She met with Alicia several times and could've given her the letter if she wanted to. She didn't. If she really wanted it, she wouldn't have left it up to anyone else.

I thought it was pretty solid, but then I got to Sirene and saw the stupid over the top attacks that it did and im thinking "wow, thats based"

>>712476814
End of Act 2 to Act 3 are basically a couple hours apart so all of that, basically everyone in the painted world isn't real outside of the people in the family feuding. It makes characters like Luna, Sciel, Gustave not really matter and they're thrown to the way side.

>>712476265
>What makes you think the Lumierens aren't capable of thinking, feeling, or suffering?
Never said they are. I'm pointing out that you're a moron for claiming they are capable of it. They pass the Turing test, but that doesn't mean you can think/feel/suffer.

>Okay, what's the value of that stament?
Is your IQ above 100 anon? But I'll humor you again.

I'm saying "we don't know" to mean that you don't have proof in your retarded claim. As in, you are claiming X but "we don't know" that X is true because nowhere does it say X or even hint at X. You are claiming that they are real people and there's no proof of that. They pass the Turing test but if that's all it takes to fool a retard then you might want to be wary of falling for AI bots on Tinder telling you they love you as well

>>712476268
aline is a loving, caring mother

>>712476976
>and they're thrown to the way side.
That's a fault of the writing, it didn't have to be like this.

>>712459612 (OP)
After seeing Maelle I had suspicions, after I entered the manor and heard the music I was almost convinced, I was sure when I finished the game and there was no single annoying character I want to bitch about.
The only time /v/ recommended good game, fuck you Dragon's Dogma fags and kys.

>>712476976
Its just following in the footsteps of the JRPGs it was inspired by. Kinda reminded me of Xenogears in a way

>>712459612 (OP)
I am still in act 2 but i really need to ask this. Do i need to finish the game before getting the damage cap remover? Because if so this does leave a bad taste in my mouth

>>712477009
She was too based for this.

>>712477005
> I'm pointing out that you're a moron for claiming they are capable of it.
Where did I? I simply asked why you seem to think they're not, unless you made no such claim, and are simply making no claims at all, and engaging in a pointless discussion on a topic both non-provable and non-falsifiable.
>your retarded claim
What claim?

>>712459612 (OP)
As soon as I turned it on and was dropped in that sorrowful town with that sorrowful music.

>>712476905
>Headcanon.
Extrapolation.

>>712459612 (OP)
it's been about 5 weeks since I pirated and shitcanned this redditard goyslop within a few hours. then I skimmed the cutscenes and found them all completely boring as with some kind of daytime soap opera. so, I guess this is a
>Things That Will Never Happen Thread
my contribution is that OP will stop being a faggot someday

>>712476647
NTA but come on, painters are like gods, they can create life. and the thing is part of verso's soul is tired of painting and wants to finally die. his father doesnt even want this, its just that its driving his wife crazy.
yeah maelle forms bonds and meets people and doesnt want to erase them, but she could always make more canvas(es?) with their family, grief and move on.

>>712477118
You get it afyer defeating the final boss of act 2

>>712459612 (OP)
When it lost to stellar blade, I knew it was especially shit

>>712477118
You need to get to the last couple hours of the story.

>>712459612 (OP)
When the beat kicked in while fighting Goblu.

>>712477306
So i will just have to ignore the side content...

>>712477118
Gtfo this board until you beat the game retard

>>712459612 (OP)
After 2000th thread for excrement33 i realised how incredible this turnsloppa frognigger parryslop ackshually was.

>>712476976
>not real
They're independent entities confined to a pocket dimension. Their struggles and connections with Alicia were real. If you felt they didn't matter, you're just a brainlet.

>>712477432
I didn't even want to visit the threads before getting the game to open to me and realizing most bosses have a rage+tons of HP mechanic.... Fucking retarded way of doing things..i was having the time of my life before finding out that my dmg is capped and enemies have 3000+ million hp

where OST vinyl release

>>712461961
It’s not competently made, the feeling of being low effort ue5 shit permeates the entire game

>>712469728
i for one accept our french overlords. baguettes and croissants are quite nice. and their women? beautiful. their men? handsome.
such is life.

>>712477506
It’s funny how Indians actually think this shit works or more accurately the dumb fuck ex-ubisoft stooges hiring them. Put the fries in the bag bro, this game sucks

>>712476837
Anon you are beyond retarded. Holy fuck. Is your IQ above 90 anon?

This is why retards shouldn't make analogies lol.

Would I destroy the simulation (the painted world) if God came down and told me I lived in a simulation world in order to save my life (i.e. return to reality)?

And yes I would. How you came up with the idea of killing yourself is beyond me. Fucking high school drop outs shouldn't use analogies anon

>>712469728
>You likely have Sandfall Entertainmentbots inside you right now
FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU I'M VOTING FOR GOTY RIGHT NOW

>>712459612 (OP)
I'm not a braindead drone so never

>>712477786
>if God came down and told me I lived in a simulation world in order to save my life (i.e. return to reality)
>reality

>Renoir is a shit painter
>Maelle is clearly untapped potential
It's over, she's never leaving the canvas.

>>712459612 (OP)
During the bridge boss

verso is handsome and i would kiss him

>>712477767
BLOODY BASTARD BITCH LOVE EXCREAMENT 32

>>712477915
>>712477930
>>712477975
Bot

>>712477147
my claim is that you can't prove they are sentient and any claims that they are sentient life forms are based on morons who can't distinguish between the concept of something acting sentient (AI) and being sentient (humans).

so I'm simply rejecting the idea that they are real people created by magic. there's no proof of this anywhere

>>712477786
But you're not "saving their lives", they just fucking vanish into nothingness.
Even FFX understood this is bleak as fuck and gave them an afterlife.

>>712459612 (OP)
What's special about it exactly?

>>712478126
>between the concept of something acting sentient (AI) and being sentient (humans)
You're making the philosophical zombie argument, again, this time with tired similes.
>>712478126
>there's no proof of this anywhere
Every painter god except Clea (by proxy) agrees.

>>712478163
Same investment group as ubisoft

>>712477528
you're the type of nigga to fall for an AI chatbot telling you they love you.

You're a brainlet if you fell for the "they act real so they must be real" scam

He just like me

>>712478163
It was the first JRPG I ever played

>>712478273
The existence of the Lumina converter instantly disproves your argument. Stop trying to talk about a different game in your head.

>>712478347
*J'RPG

>>712478148
Huh, didn't FFX just have everyone disappear? What afterlife

>>712478258
>You're making the philosophical zombie argument, again, this time with tired similes.
If you're a retard that thinks 1+1 = 3 then obviously I'll make the argument that 1+1 = 2. If you make a retarded claim, then you get the same argument to correct you. The solution here anon is for you to stop being retarded not to complain that people keep destroying your crappy assertations with the same argument

>Every painter god except Clea (by proxy) agrees.
Nope. Give a source cause there's literally 0 proof that
1) they're created by magic
2) they're real people

>>712478369
Not to mention the fact that real Renoir talks directly to painted Verso, Sciel, and Lune as though they're real people, despite the fact that he's the one trying to destroy the canvas and pull Aline and Alicia out of it. He's fully aware of the true nature of everything and he still treats them like humans

>>712478126
>there's no proof of this anywhere
Okay. So what value does this statement have? Virtually everything in the game is intentionally left up to player interpretation.

>>712478369
How does the existence of a lumina converter disprove anything? You are retarded anon and that argument is non-sequitur

>>712468949
Exactly. You know who controls everything, even the Dessendre family and everything that happened to them?

E33s writers

>>712478897
Yes, it is in fact a work of fiction, anon. Very astute observation

>>712478781
The value is that you should stop making baseless claims when making your arguments anon.

That's the value. I.e. don't be retarded, try to use some logic. Not that hard (jk it's 4chan)

>>712479032
What claim did I make anon? Can you link the post?

>>712459612 (OP)
in the first minutes of the game, when the dialogue kicked in and the plot was presented.

>>712478897
>>712478968
except maelle. she is real to my and my new waifu
now what?

when the niggers were gone after the prologue
from a western studio, that's magical

>>712478038
unfortunately no
but i can be if you wish

>>712478778
That's actually a really compelling argument as to them being real people. Good job anon, you saved all the other anons from their stupidity.

>>712479174
monoco is debatably black

>>712459830
show, show

>>712479568
1. He cares about his son (Noco)
2. His VA is white

>>712479568
In the sense that he's based on a dog instead of a human, maybe.

>>712479829
the second point is moot but the first one is compelling. perhaps there should be an hour long video essay on it.

>>712476976
>basically everyone in the painted world isn't real
Are all those special individuals trolling?

>>712479158
You're falling for the (((writers))) plot anon.

Clea would be very dissapointed

>>712477548
>just because I'm asking for spoilers doesn't mean that I want spoilers
Get the fuck out of here or I will hide spoilers in something that looks like an answer to your question, you retard.

>>712478163
It has soul and high production values. A combination previously thought impossible, or at least lost to time.

>>712480225
i made my sims drown in an evil swimming pool. i set them on fire and made them kiss while they burned.
perhaps they can learn from this. do they hate me? would they accept me if i entered their world and asked them to?
in rimworld i made them eat each other and bludgeon children for blood to feed my vampires. they would worship me, if only to satiate their own bloodlust. but what if i grew tired of it, and wished them to live moral lives?
*dry humps you*

>>712478126
>my claim is that you can't prove they are sentient
Then the Dessendres aren't sentient either, since they're videogame characters.

>>712478126
>you can't prove they are sentient
Prove you're sentient.

>>712478126
they live and love, they mourn and weep. is it all an illusion? if so are your emotions an illusion? when you look in the mirror what do you see staring back? a pale imitation of life?
what does it mean to be alive, to be worthy of having a soul?

>>712459612 (OP)
after finishing act 1, when i uninstalled.

>>712459612 (OP)
Are they going to dub this game in italian/german/spanish/portuguese/japanese/korean etc?

>>712480225
I believe it is a wonderful plot device in exposing subhuman IQ individuals. Even when I played Star Ocean 3 at age 12 back in 04 and was hit with the twist, I could not imagine being mentally retarded enough to think:

>Wait...the Eternal Sphere isn't LE REEL!!!??? Fuck these characters I spent 50 hours with! Luther needs to kill (delete) everyone. They're just 0s and 1s anyway lmaooo

It's the same thing all over again with E33. A higher reality existing outside the main one inexplicably invalidates the existence of the player engages with due to some arbitrary and manufactured definition of what is "real." In a fucking video game.

>>712481385
I'm curious who they'd cast for the jp verision

>>712481503
>the existence of
*the one the player engages with

>>712480643
>low emotional stability and honesty
I bet it just puts those on every white woman

>>712481631
i just think it's too late now. they didnt say a think at SGF

>>712481631
my fucking chicken isn't here

>>712481747
Didn't BG3 get a jp dub really late? I want to hope. I wonder who'd they get to voice Esquie

>>712478840
not that anon but maybe the existence of the Lumina Converter points to the possibility that the painted creations of Lumiere could at some point match the powers of the painters?

Either way, they're stuck inside of the Canvas, and so long as the Painters have the ability to leave and erase the Canvas, they are lesser beings.

its a corridor game with horrible platforming and the combat is mashing 1 button i have no idea how this got popular

>>712482438
there are at least three buttons you press

>>712481503
> A higher reality existing outside the main one inexplicably invalidates the existence of the player engages with due to some arbitrary and manufactured definition of what is "real."

If someone with godlike powers can create, uncreate, or even recreate you from existence without repercussions, you are an inferior being and at their mercy.

But funny enough it's my friends who are atheists who get more upset about this twist than anyone else.

>Okay lets set sail and begin our adventure!
>...Oh no!

>>712482438
>the combat is mashing 1 button
>i have no idea
Having played the game would have helped.

>>712482438
Which button are you mashing bro? what input is that and what does it do?

>>712482718
Oof, I was really feeling Gustave's reaction during the aftermath.

>>712481747
Maybe for the GOTY version with DLC included.

>>712459612 (OP)
this is genuinely the most shilled game of all time

>>712479491
That's the least compelling argument presented, though the Lumierians are obviously real people in all the ways that matter.

Renoir could simply be delusional or trying to make himself feel less guilty about killing things that look like humans even though they aren't. If the player can be fooled by the Lumierians acting like humans why couldn't Renoir or any other Painter, they are obviously imperfect people.

>>712482845
tfw you rewatch it and notice he keeps hitting his chest in a rhythm and trying to calm down. With later optional stuff intimating he was dying of heart disease and knew he didn't have a year left absolute sovl.

>>712482883
have you ever heard of word-of-mouth marketing? it's an insane thought, but when people enjoy something they're more likely to talk about it.
what games do you enjoy, anon?

>>712475749
>Just because they look and act human doesn't mean they're capable of thinking, feeling, suffering, etc. It just means they look and *act* human.
We don't understand enough about consciousness to know that for certain, or if it's even possible. For all we know consciousness might be an emergent property of complex systems like our brains. Would a simulated brain not experience simulated consciousness? If you simulate a person with all their detail of emotions and feelings and behaviors and responses, does consciousness not emerge from that simulated person just as it does for a real person? Is the philosophical zombie even possible? Or perhaps there is a necessary chemical element to it, or perhaps it ties in with the fabric of reality in some deeper way, in which case your simulated person is indeed unthinking and unfeeling. It's a deeply mysterious subject that nobody really understand a great deal about.

>>712475749
What makes you think you're a real human bean anon?

>>712483045
Stop being retarded. The game does not investigate the philosophical question of if Lumiereans are humans because it is obvious that they are in all the ways that matter, and any argument for it or against it is unfalsifiable. Aline made painted Verso for a reason: to recapture her son. Rather, it takes their humanity as a given and instead is about vying for power and control to make up for traumatic grief with the backdrop of the beauty of a painting.

these threads always confuse the fuck outta me. can't tell if it's because everyone's a bot or they're gay

>Painting is literally a part of a human soul
>Have to debate if the humans contained within said soul are real
if they aren't real nothing is.

>>712483789
you have some sort of paranoid disorder, i suppose
but if you're fascinated with french culture and appreciate their contributions to the art fields you are likely a bit fruity

Those cool black and white segments, they hit harder the second time around.

>>712484379
>black and white
>monochromatic
>devoid of chroma
>its moments where Clea is manipulating everyone because her nevron have been hoarding it all for her
kino

>>712478708
No they're just chillin

>>712484570
no its not

>>712468949
You are SO close to getting it.

>>712462425
Ah, that's the ticket! Just define "good" down. What could go wrong?

>>712479568
No but Gestrals are black-coded

>>712486437
THUNK

>>712459612 (OP)
I’m a 35 year old high-test white male, and I cried at the Gommage.

>>712480225
>expedition 33 haters when we learn our reality is a simulation and tie them to a chair and hold a gun to their head:
NONONONONO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE NOONONONONONO IT MATTERS THIS WORLD MATTERS I WAS WRONG!!!!!!

>>712486437
>mysterious old man shows up
>is immediately shown to be ultra powerful
this game did a bunch of jrpg tropes better than jrpgs. Plus, this scene is fucking hilarious on new game plus.
>"Oh shit more lumierens"
>renoir and nevrons have to scramble to be the first to murder them

>>712487656
I rolled my eyes at the typical french overdramatic shit but killing off the main character won me back over
Takes balls

>>712488129
On rewatch that scene is retarded desu
Expeditioners know they're gonna have to fight yet when a random geriatric decapitates a person they ran away instead of ganging up lol

So, what is Clea's gimmick?. Stunlock tutorial?

>>712482662
>you are an inferior being and at their mercy.
That is not what I was arguing.

>>712489201
DPS race

>>712483789
I can sympathize, /v/ is a confusing place if you don't play video games.

>>712459612 (OP)
nothin personal kid

>>712470715
>The greatest games have the best tracks

>>712459612 (OP)
Soul recognizes soul. And I recognized it in E33 almost immediately.

>>712463851
Me too. Felt like the story was told. Finally picking it back up after a week or so

>>712459612 (OP)
when i saw her

>>712461961
This. That's pretty fucking rare these days.

>>712463851
Me too because I was on Renoirs side. I didn't want to fight him.

>>712492130
>main damage gets suck'd
Nice RNG battle, no wonder people plays the one shot skip builds

>>712461794
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeFkb3LsmlQ
None white.

The first trailer I saw, when I saw this thing, I knew I loved the art direction and that's such a fantastic thing to show off early. People are always going to be visual creatures to showing off something cool, early, is always going to engage me, but when I saw something THIS cool I knew it was kino.

>>712487656
So did I.

>>712459612 (OP)
During PS5 gameshow last year when they showed the teaser. The premise of people age counting down sounded unique and music was instant winner.

I was sceptic of turn-based slop but hey, it actually turned out ok so glad I still gave it a fair attempt.

>>712459612 (OP)
It isn't and I wont play it. Fuck you frog shill.

>>712459612 (OP)
The second I saw her...

>>712459612 (OP)
when they posted pic related

>>712494448
HOLY BASED

Heal youself from another stun you cunt.

>>712462740
Why let other morons live your life for you?
>idiots drive cars! So I won't dive!
Experience things for yourself for Christ's sake. The game is cheap as fuck too and even then it's on PC so you can pirate it. I don't understand locking yourself out of a game because some other fags liked it or didn't. Live for yourself Anon.+

>>712487656
didn't everyone?
i thought that was the point of that scene

>>712496612
>that pure disappointment on her face in verso's ending
i almost felt bad for a while

>>712469684
>The greasy twat streamer that has blood smears from his teeth on his walls doesn't understand a simple game
I mean if Asmongold believes it, it must be fucking gospel.

When I played it? When else are you suppose to get to that realization? Stupid thread.

>>712470137
All of the Lumerians are new puppets made by the new Aline. They are all 'cope puppets'. Alicia is doomed to continue the cycle. Alicia is living in a delusion, and dooming Verso's canvas and soul to eternal suffering. For all the love the family claims to have for him none of them seem too torn up over destroying his world.

>>712471320
Peak comment btw

>>712472461
We barely spend any time with Gustave. Replay the game it's only a couple hours. He's just a painted mirror of Verso anyway. Right down to sacrificing his life for Maelle.

>>712459612 (OP)
It's a rare western game in the turn based 3 niggers in a row genre. I'll give it that. Massively overhyped though. I thought it was a solid 7/10.

>>712499160
Are you so autistic and desperate for a retarded "gottem XD" that you cannot pick up the nuance of WHAT MOMENT during the game you realized it, faggot-kun?

>>712476169
Because there is no one to save. His world is a fantasy that he doesn't wish to participate in. Painted Verson wanted Verso's family to let him go and move on. He especially coudn't bear to see Alicia throw away her life after he gave his own to save her. Painted Verso has all of Verso's memories. He sacrificed his life a second time to save his little sister.

>>712477915
She did in my game. She's going to have to be a junkie in something that she fucking created now.

Ideally we just shut down Verso's inmortality and kick Maelle off the canvas (or revoke her paintress powers). If the canvas has to fade to time then so be it

>>712470159
>it removed all tension and just felt like playing doll house
But for every character who wasn't a Painter, the stakes didn't change at all.
The characters you grew to connect with, they're still the same.
Why did you stop caring about them?

>>712488978
Ganging up on an old guy that is one shotting everyone without breaking a sweat. It would've be absolute suicide .

>>712502208
Also they themselves got ganged up by overleveled nevrons

Emma's sending off speech legit gave me chills.

>>712502319
Yeah it was a fucking bleak no win situation. Running was the only option.

>>712472664
holy basedoly

>>712468180
It's a different reality.
Once created, the Canvas persists independently of a Painter's presence or interference.
It is a new world.

>>712503079
I disagree. Only because of the piece Verso's soul without it the canvas stops. So it would appear that the painters have to leave a piece of their souls in all the canvas worlds they make and that is the sacrifice that Renoir is eluding to the painters having to make to utilize the painter power. The world can only continue to go on if that soul is still painting it.

>>712461961
this, I legit don't see why the game is loved. played about an hour after landing the ship and I'm as bored as I was throughout the beginning. hope it gets better because otherwise this year doesn't deserve to have goty awards

>>712473408
this

chapter 1 end

>>712459612 (OP)
>some anons are praising unreal engine slop game written by woman and faggots
very, very grim.

>>712459612 (OP)
Pretty much in the first area.

>>712459612 (OP)
Switch 2 thread died for this shilled slop thread?

>>712505154
>a shill thread died for a shill thread
All is as it should be.

>>712461290
Persona just aped Jojo's Bizarre Adventure with Jotaro shooting himself in the cell to show off/summon his stand. You betray your limited world view and lack of experiences if the first thing you think of is persona, because it's doubtful E33 was referencing either rather than the hundreds of movies where someone contemplates suicide.

>>712461186
>>When I heard the menu music
this for me

>>712505154
Is a Switch 2 thread not a shilled slop thread? What is there' to talk about? At least with expedition 33 there's SOME meat on the bone. Mario Kart doesn't really have any sort of lore to get stuck into, Yakuza 0 is ten years old, and Clubhouse games are just that.

>>712505584
Persona is way better than that meme series. Of course, he brings up an actual game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STNAvpNtGF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZXLaLPErVk

This is when the game transcended KINO. /v/'s shitposting had zero effect.

>>712459612 (OP)
The ending. I don't think I've ever felt so emotionally invested in a video game.

>>712506691
>Persona is way better than that meme series
Regardless of your shit opinion, Jojo did it first and Persona 3 was clearly referencing it. Like half the big names in the Japanese vidya industry are part of the same age cohort that read Shounen jump religiously in the late 80's and early/nod 90's, so they are strongly influenced by the things like Jojo, Ranma, Dr Slump and DBZ.

>>712494448
I'M A BELIEVER

>>712503380
From the information present in the game, it doesn't appear as though the piece of a Painter's soul left in the Canvas has agency--in other words, it exists as a source or anchor that keeps the Canvas in place perpetually, rather than continually painting new things into the Canvas.
And because Verso's Canvas was made when he was a child, and he died when he was around his early 30s, we can assume that the soul left in the Canvas does not expire, or at least not fast enough to matter. These are still paintings, at the end of the day, so in one way you can consider it the fading of paint over time due to the environment, or as a world compare it to the entropy of our own universe.

The details are different, but fundamentally the Canvas is a world just like ours.

>>712497118
Based

>>712506347
kek

>>712459612 (OP)
first trailer

>>712470137
Verso was forced to kill the woman he loved, kill his family and watch his sister kill herself while knowing he only exists for the sake of gods who only gave him life and immortality for the sake of their selfish grieving process which he cannot escape unless he helps bring an end to the only world he knows.
By the end of the game the only family member he has left in some capicity is Maelle and if the world persist it'll come at the cost of her own life which is why at the end of Maelle you see the characters from his POV and when it comes to Maelle he can't help but feel sadness at how she's rotting away in her world for this world.

>>712470028
Reddit Spacing.
Fucking retarded opinion discarded.

>>712459612 (OP)
When /v/ started contrarian posting against it.

>>712459612 (OP)
Is there any reason to play this on Expert difficulty? The damage seems like bullshit.

>>712474643
If I could I'd gouge out your eyes so that you'd never ever post again or participate in any online discussion again.
I am certain you only experienced this game through second hand accounts and not from actually playing the game. It's pretty fucking clear that the painted characters have internal monologues along with thoughts, feeling and agency that goes beyond what's required of them for the simulation.
You lack the intelligence for introspection or reflection.
Discussion with you is worthless but I will impart this point, I am glad that we as humans are mortal because it means you just like I will one day die.
I might even hope for the existence of an immortal soul with hell awaiting us because I might find some satisfaction that as I suffer you too will suffer just as I.
Fuck you, you retard cunt and may all you love and cherish rot and suffer before your eyes.

It's crazy that you people are losing your minds over a 6/10 JRPG because it's the first one you've ever played.

>>712514043
It's crazy you care so much about other people having fun while you're miserable.

>>712514043
I've been playing JRPGss since the SNES era. This game mogs every single one of them.

The game's ending presents players with a choice that determines the fate of the Canvas, a painted world where characters can live a comfortable life. Players must decide whether to destroy the Canvas so the family can move on or preserve it so that Maelle and Aline can revisit Verso's last painting.

>>712514340
>or preserve it so that Maelle can brainwash everyone into her therapy group*

>>712514340
>No spoilers
Seems this thirdie can't read.

>>712459612 (OP)
I thought it was incredibly boring until the end of the prologue when things suddenly got real.

>>712472664
based

>>712470159
>>712472461
I thought the opposite, that they killed him too early. It should've been around the end of Act 2 or even Act 3.

>>712459612 (OP)
When Gustave is rattled but encounters his first enemy. With this look of emptiness on his face he walks forward anyway, takes out his sword, and the music swells and then you're in your first fight. I thought the game was interesting up until then, but the way that entire scene was framed, directed, etc. hit me exactly the way great games do when you recognize, all of a sudden, that you're experiencing the real deal. And it only got better from there.

>>712461961
I literally cannot think of any JRPG that does better. This is the peak of the genre, not average.

>>712472461
TRUKE. Bootlickers aren't ready for this.

>>712482438
>mashing 1 button
If you had actually played the game you'd say 2 or 3 buttons and you'd know the pain of hitting the button too early or late to parry or dodge an attack.
Rythm games are unironically more forgiving on timings than this since your punishment for less than perfect timing is a worse score.

>>712459612 (OP)
When I heard this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v4tyAoohCE

>>712459612 (OP)
>battle heads in a bad direction. Write it off as a wash
>"oh well, I'll just use this as a practice run to learn their moves"
>start doing surprisingly better
>"oh fuck can I do this?"
>pull off a win by the skin of my teeth
Those moments really clicked for me.

When Gustave died in act 1 I thought it was forced edgy but when that faggot Verso admits he refused to save him I got angry but accepted it was good writing
Verso is such a hateable character in a good way

>>712513526
Pls respond

>>712459612 (OP)
best jrpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuPh-KSoFUU
when i noticed how good the sound design is when you transition to the end of combat screen.

day 1

>>712459612 (OP)
The moment the trannies started seething and accusing the developers of being too white.

you didn't beat the game

>>712522048
>Expedition 34 mode

>>712472461
I think the problem is that the character writing is honestly kind of shit. Like Verso is a bad guy, and his party should recognize that, but just no time is spent on this. He has conversations with Renoir in front of lune, sciel, and maelle where they are obviously talking about something incredibly important, and he even alludes to Maelles importance, again, in front of them, and they just don't follow up at all.

Like, even at the end, when they kill the paintress, they are just so damn incurious about the whole thing and Verso's interactions with the paintress and Renoir. It's bizarre watching it. It really taints Lune and Sciel IMO, and they barely feel like characters or relevant to the story at all.

When the gameplay got me super hooked early on and I liked most of the characters, except that faggot verso later on, and the music got me to stop just to hear it. The world is very interesting and the gestrals are such fucking retarded creatures that I find them endearing. The plot twist was very meh and written poorly IMO but I'm hoping it's all one big setup to something greater that isn't just "haha nothing mattered it was all paint lmao you retard escapism BAD". But that's cope, I know they will double down on the misery porn and nothing will be ok.

Which sucks, because it emulates what I feel for the fromsoft NPCs nowadays because nothing matters and they all end up dead anyway. So in future clair obscur games I won't give a fuck about the party since I'll fully expect another NOTHING MATTERED AND PEOPLE DIE LMAO twist. Other than that, I did enjoy the actual video game part a lot. Square Enix can suck a cock for having their oldfag corporate retards say that no one wants to play turn based rpgs. Fucking retarded idiots.

>>712522650
remember when maelle has that final confrontation with renoir and instead of arguing for their right to live, lune and sciel instead follows up on maelle's paperthin argument with "you know, ive learned something today, parenting isnt easy, but the important thing is spending time together to talk out your problems"

>>712522650
I do think that both Verso AND Renour have writers on their side, if only because nobody is willing to call them out on their logical fallacies. And this makes the game weirdly stacked in their favour. Lune tries to confront Verso, but he just ignores her and she never brings it up again and later on Maelle tries to confront Renoir about his absolutist logic, but at that point the game itself is stacked against her, so no matter what argument she makes it it makes no difference.

>>712522917
i can buy maelle not winning the argument cause she's a stupid kid but lune and sciel dont even attempt at all.

>>712459612 (OP)
The reveal trailer a year ago.
It was made in an artistic way every dev has forgotten how for at least 15 years.
The game was better than I expected and unironically have me a bit of hope for.this faggot industry.
It won't win GOTY because the jews won't allow it, it's too cheap, devs are white/straight, it doesn't tackle modern politics, no one is alphabet soup, and diversity goes no further than copy pasted black npcs. This game is a bad example for the industry corporations are trying to shape.

>>712459612 (OP)
when the first trailer showed it was turn based
when expedition 33 preforms a counter

>>712522996
Agreed, and Maelle is not even making bad points. Renoir and Verso just refuse to address them and dissmiss her as irrational and crazy.
She even tells Verso:
>hey, asshole, what gives you the right to decide for everybody whether they live or die?
And he has no counterargument outside of "lol, grief blinds you".

>>712476169
Because Alicia made it impossible.
You may think of her as Maelle, which is wrong, Maelle is gone at the end of act 2, Alicia in the canvas only has Maelle's memories, she's nothing alike, she wants control, lies to everyone, manipulates. She is Aline 2.0. In her ending she doesn't even restore Verso's painted family, she just tortures him, while controlling everyone to not bat an eye to it. Lune and Sciel would never just watch that willingly.
Verso tried to save everyone, he stuck together with Maelle even against his father, but the more you get into act 3, the more he realizes that erasing the canvas is the only way to save his sister from turning into a monster.

>>712523743
Verso, pls.
Go back to playing a piano.

>>712523876
ALICIA, GET OUT OF THE CANVAS AND GO TO THE BATHROOM
YOU ARE SHITTING YOURSELF

>>712472664
> leave Ubisoft because they're too woke
> don't hire DEI niggers

Based

>>712523981
*angry grunting noises*

>>712459612 (OP)
Somewhere around the first area, where you can see the Monolith.

Gave me real Xenoblade 1 vibes (and it's one of my all-time favorite games).

>>712523981
Let's spill some ink! BRAAAAP

>>712523362
i liked that part. it shows that both sides were flawed and that theres not really a right answer to grief, especially when the desires of the dead and the desires of the people left behind conflict. like you said though, the plot doesnt really follow up on this well so we are left with pianoboy discussions forever.

>>712472664
I kveel...

I hope Sandfall doesn't get greedy and overextert themselves, lest their next title will fall short of expectations.

>>712524390
Final Fantasy 2, Devil May Cry 2
I'm sure there is other examples, but you can make a bad sequel and bounce back, hoping it wont be bad though

>>712524390
>lest their next title will fall short of expectations.
I mean, it's almost guaranteed it will. Not saying it will be bad, but lightning doesn't strike the same place twice

>>712459612 (OP)
Unironically, when I saw the game cover.

>>712524469
there was alot of lightning being captured too. getting that one guy for the music was definitely a major boon.

>>712524547
Call me a fag all you want, but the cover looks like your generic AAA slop boxart.

>>712524390
>I hope Sandfall doesn't get greedy and overextert themselves, lest their next title will fall short of expectations.
They've actually talked about this in an interview
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/the-big-clair-obscur-expedition-33-interview-sandfall-and-kepler-on-team-size-the-return-of-aa-games-and-whats-next

>>712524302
>it shows that both sides were flawed and that theres not really a right answer to grief, especially when the desires of the dead and the desires of the people left behind conflict.
Sure, but at this point I felt like the game was taking Verso's side a bit too much, to the point I picked Maelle's ending out of sheer spite. Because I felt that you can't just dismiss all those complicated points Maelle just brought up with one simple "just get over it" and that's what I felt the game was trying to do with Verso's ending.

>>712524570
>there was alot of lightning being captured too
Yeah, and as the saying "lightning in the bottle" implies, it's incredible difficult to do so again. Way too many crazy coincidences had to come together for E33 to blow up like it did.

>>712522996
>lune and sciel dont even attempt at all
because they're not real people and Renoir was right

>>712524429
The sequel might be good, but it's going to be very hard to meet expectations after the first game. They caught lightning in a bottle with E33.

I was on team fuck verso's lying by omission ass until maelle became a necromancer

>>712524819
I think we can all say with confidence the music will likely deliver again

>>712524390
They created the studio specifically to make this game. Now they have nothing to follow up.
They got a unique combat system they can reuse but story wise it's gonna be hard not to fall into a pattern or be unpredictable

>>712524639
Smart man, but I genuinely worry now that Sandfall has become a legitimate threat to the corpo investor grift of bloated budgets and mass hirings of DEI dead weight.
Might lead to under the table funding of journo hit pieces and cancel campaigns.

>>712525008
>under the table funding of journo hit pieces and cancel campaigns
It already started >>712472664

>>712525008
>Sandfall has become a legitimate threat to the corpo investor grift of bloated budgets and mass hirings of DEI dead weight.
It's not really Sandfall themselves, but Kepler. They went from a C tier publisher/indie co-op to securing a lot of hits recently. I wouldn't mind them bringing back the soul of old Devolver

>>712459612 (OP)
Uninstalled it after a few hours, the short story segments between the cringe never ending combat wasnt worth it.
>The entire gameplay is just pressing the parry button
Fuck off with this.

>>712524547
I adore how mysterious it is. Why are people fighting a crying woman? Why is she crying? What the the hell kind of a name is expedition 33? etc

>>712525238
its fine if you dropped it cause of the parry mechanic. its integral to the combat design and never goes away so probably for the best you dont force yourself to play a mechanic you cant enjoy, even if you can eventually build your party to ignore it by the final act. you do miss out on the music however and its very different to hearing it ingame vs hearing the ost on a playlist due to how the sound design utilizes it.

>>712459612 (OP)
more like Expedition 33/100, the game is middling, but the girls are cute so I'll bump it up to 66/100

>>712525582
theres alot of initial hook that draws you in. i feel the game's biggest weakness is that abandons most of it for the twist and followup twist and is worse off due to it.

>>712525674
The music is mid as fuck no idea why people are going crazy over it.

>>712524547
>>712525582
OH FUCK

>>712525802
like i said, its very different to listening to it outside the game than it is ingame.

>>712525802
i think its because of vocals.
everytime retards praise ost it have someone on your ear at all times

>>712525783
To be fair, the game doesn't even shy away from the twist. You can call it as soon as act 1, because it's so clearly telegraphed.
Fuck, painted Renoir and painted Alicia outright spell it out for you, but at this point, you have no idea what does that have to do with anything.

>>712525887
GOOD MORNING SAAR

>>712459612 (OP)
the intro
one of the strongest hooks I've seen in a game in a very long time and it pretty much maintains that sense of worldbuilding all the way through until the end of act 2 fighting the paintress. I was fucking mouth agape that whole time.
I don't hate the twist or anything but it's just not quite the same after you go back into the painting and you start to piece together the full picture for me

>>712525802
I actually had to turn the music volume down because it was so fucking annoying.

>>712525986
Dunno, I liked the music overall but I noticed it does overuse the leitmotif way too much.

>>712496612
I slapped the glasses on her as soon as I got that outfit and never saw her facial expressions again for the rest of the game kek.

>>712525964
each time the twist happens, the city of lumiere becomes less important to the story. by the end, its not even a factor in either maelle or verso's motivation as both of them have much more selfish reasoning for their decisions.

They already set up a harry potter-like world with the whole painters vs writers thing but I'm hoping that they do standalone stories like final fantasy did, that don't have ridiculous dumb plot twists that ruin everything. Sometimes, less is more. We're sadly gonna get a second game involving the paint shit but it is what it is, here's hoping they explore other settings but keep the gameplay and add more to it.

>>712526216
>We're sadly gonna get a second game involving the paint shit but it is what it is,
What makes you think that? I don't think they would want to go back to the Dessendre shit. Maaaaaaybe they'll have Alicia returning for the sequel, but that's about it.

>>712526198
For me the whole thing just felt like that sense of grand scale of the primary conflict absolutely fell off of a cliff after act 2. Like man, when you first load into lumiere with that looming monolith in the distance as you slowly piece together what these people are "celebrating" and ultimately fighting for, I've never been so hooked in my fucking life. And then it just drip feeds you more and more of the mystery with the ever looming threat and size of the monolith getting closer the whole time, culminating in that final fight and genuinely having no idea if the game is about to fucking end or what can even possibly come after what you just did.
But by the end it's such an interpersonal and small scale story and there are literally only two characters that matter at all. Doesn't have anything to do with "the painting people are fake!!"" or whatever wrong bullshit, it's just that basically nothing is important except the dysfunctional broken family dynamic

It's not a bad story and I think the dilemma the characters face is meaningful and worth talking/thinking about but it's just not that I was ultimately hoping to see with what hooked me about the game in the first place.

>>712526910
seems to be a somewhat shared opinion that the story gets weaker in regards to lumiere at the end of act 1. lune and sciel do not rep their city enough fill the void

>>712527116
*enough to

>>712459612 (OP)
never gonna play it shillbro

>>712526910
I think they could have told a story about grief tearing a family apart without sacrificing basically every character and making it about LE NOTHING MATTERS LE ESCAPISM BAD. Maybe the world could have been the paintress' mind/soul that existed within a painting, but it's its own self contained thing and as the game progressed the world would gradually change to reflect her state of mind, until you can eventually chose to help her or fail and plunge her psyche and the world into oblivion. That way, characters still matter because it's no longer the classic NOTHING MATTERED LMAO bullshit. But what do I know, I'm just some asshole on 4chan. Hopefully they do better with the next game.

>>712525826
>I'm ready to settle down now

>>712525802
All the songs are great, even that weird Iphone Ad song is catchy, How can you not get to Act II, listen to that Overworld song and not be blown away by it? Especially coming from an unknown soundcloud artist.

>>712527228
>le nothing matters le escapism bad
Its funny how this game brings out the 80IQ posters.

I was fine with the twist - because I called it almost at the start. But the game lost me right at the end when it first presented a difficult moral dillemma and then started taking sides by downplaying the one side of the debate in favour of the other.
The moral dillemma of sacrificing the whole world for the whims of one guy? Doesn't matter, they are fake anyway. Maelle outright asking what right do Verso and Renoir have to force a life of a cripple onto her? Doesn't matter, she'll get over it. Renoir being an absolutist shithead that can't be bothered to compromise for shit? Doesn't matter, the game takes his side and rewards him for it. The fact that Maelle spent her whole in a canvas and doesn't want to leave her found family behind? Doesn't matter, all fake, she's delusional and just like Aline.
The ending was the part where the game really lost me, because it was so incredibly stacked in favour of one "correct" option.

"Verso", Maelle, Aline, and Clea are complete pieces of self centered shit.
The only decent people in the game are Verso and Renoir.
Especially at the end when you see the last fragment of Verso, like his piece of garbage painted counterpart, really does want to die but you can infer why he stays.

>>712527631
its funny cause the question of their right to live? its no, they dont. they were created by aline in verso's canvas without his consent. all of lumiere legitimately have no right to be there.

>>712527732
Renoir was an asshole as well. He was a cause of the game's majority of conflicts, because he thought he knows best and couldn't compromise or empathise for shit. His intentions were good, his methods were very wrong.

>>712527403
I haven't been blown away by overworld music since Skyrim

>>712528498
I SEEEEEE YOOOOO
I FEEELLLLLLL YOOOOOOOOOUU
I NEEEEEEDDD YOUUUUU
Jokes aside, this is probably my favourite track in the game.

>>712528498
Wish Soule could write memorable battle music, would easily make him undisputable GOAT

what makes it good?
>uhh... the story is so kino
really? is it actually good or just another childish weeb fantasy?
>well uhhh
so it's shit
>no no!!
it's shit

>>712528979
>>712525887

when it started buckbreaking tendies and making them eternally spiral I knew this game was special and would hold a place in my heart forever

>>712459612 (OP)
when i saw all the shill threads on /v/ and i knew it was the most shilled game of the year