It's looking like it's going to be a lot of fun.
Why'd they bother and waste time .aking two shitty knock-offs wulong and rise of the ronin that both flopped and sucked instead of just giving us nioh3?
I have finished all of base game Nioh 2 including the online missions FUCK TOSHIMITSU. Do I go into the DLC areas or go into NG+ and do them there for the new item rarities?
I haven't seen anything about it. Is it just Nioh 1.5 again like Nioh """2""" was?
>>712459637I had to make sure I didn't remember it wrong, yes Nioh 2 depths are definitely way better than running the fuck away from 2 cunts spamming shit at you nonstop.
>>712460954not a good bait
>>712461095Not sure what you're trying to say but this is nioh 3, the sequel to nioh 2. Hope that helps
>>712460996Congrats. Go right into the DLC, the new rarities drop there and both games are designed for you to be able to go right to the DLC missions, while also potentially dipping into DotStrong if you wish along the way. The Mission levels are entirely useless except for showcasing an order of play to follow if you want to.
>>712461101>Sloth TalismanKek
Fuku should be the main girl and your time travelling companion
Every Makai Knight needs a priest after all.
Hey guys can you all do me a favor and not have a retarded never ending argument that shits up the thread this time?
>>712460732 (OP)It's nioh. Of course it'll be fun.
>>712461431I've said my piece. Besides, you've all seen the horseshit that anon says about me, and I've made a record of where people can look if they're interested.
>>712461267Nioh 2 is a sequel in the way that TotK is a sequel to Breath of the Wild, eg shitty and felt like DLC. That should clear it up for you since you're having some trouble here
>>712460732 (OP)Are the Nioh 1 DLCs meant to be played right after finishing NG?
>>712461591I can't really relate to the comparison since I only played botw and it was shit but thanks for your input
>>712461320They were more useful that I expected, 4-5 seconds is enough to delete a glass cannon boss in this game. Wouldn't matter in Nioh 2, the more balanced and better game.
>>712461603yeah
>>712461573Jesus christ just shut the fuck up you attention whore
>>712461603I didn't even both with them until the later difficulties. The levels are abysmal in all of them
>>712461591Never played nu-zelda. What do you mean by that?
why did everyone call nioh 2 "1.5" when it released anyway?
It did everything a s sequel should in my eyes. What exactly did it not do that people wanted it to?
>>712461603god this boss's desgin was so kino. shame about the actual fight.
>Are the Nioh 1 DLCs meant to be played right after finishing NG?I like to do a little bit of WotS before doing the DLCS in both games.
>>712461603They're meant to be played after you've completed the main game. Divine class weapon become available for it, which you will need as the Date Masamune and Sanada Yukimura have elemental weapons, which you need your divine gear to reduce their damage on block.
>>712461320sloth talimsan was great all the way through to like item level 300 for me. I died like 30 times throughout the entire 5 difficulties. what's the problem? is this some poser shit?
>>712461603Yes, with some dipping into WotStrong as you go. This can be confirmed by seeing the Mission levels and the levels of gear dropped in the DLC. The game expects you to understand the mechanics by this point so the challenge fits postgame, but you can quickly get used to it. The first DLC boss is essentially Onryoki 2.0 in how he tests your fundamentals.
>>712461719The Sequel didn't really address any gripes I had about the game and was From-tier rehashing.
>>712461603No, you should come back to them after finishing the next difficulty at the very least, so do WotSamurai DLCs after WotStrong's main story.
>>712461796Didn't change the combat and graphics entirely, I guess
>>712461816Sloth Talisman means you did not beat the game.
>>712461816Sloth is a noob's talisman. If you've got to floor 999, why are you still using it. Surely you've learned all of the bosses' attack patterns by now.
>>712460732 (OP)Well the first two were dogshit, I doubt this will be any better. They'll probably be ripping off Elden Ring and Sekiro and bit more than Dark Souls this time.
>>712461981Funny, the game says I did
>>712462048Sorry, you quite simply did not beat the game.
>>712461981How so? I beat all 5 difficulties.
>>712462002I learned basically no bosses patterns since I one-shot almost all of them throughout the difficulties. I died less than 30x but beat all missions on WoN
>>712461386Ginchiyo is the real best girl and we need more of her
Is Nioh 3 going to require beating the game multiple times again to actually access the end game challenge mode and end game builds?
>>712462170>I learned basically no bosses patterns since I one-shot almost all of them throughout the difficulties. I died less than 30x but beat all missions on WoNThe living weapon one shot build. Not my thing DESU.
>>712461816Sloth is generally looked down upon and memed on because it makes things extremely easy and uninteresting when you can slow the boss to a crawl and kill it instantly. There's other methods of doing such things but Sloth is the poster child of it. Use it if you want to, but if you're not having fun or learning anything that is why, and you don't really get much to offer in terms of discussion of the experience. Of course the original pic was on Floor 999 and had already beat them anyway so it's moot.
Is it me or you can't actually recreate Wirriam-sama's face 1:1 in Nioh 2's creator?
Can't wait to play the entire game in Ninja mode to avoid using the stance switching and ki pulsing. :)
>>712462360I didn't do that. I just used whirlybird kusurigama
>>712462015Why do you even go in the thread to say that
>>712462442You can just buy his visage from the tea house. I like ryu myself
>>712461897What gripes do you have about Nioh though? You might have a point.
>>712462369There's nothing to talk about with this game. I mashed, I slothed, all 5 difficulties beaten with like no deaths. not my problem
>>712460732 (OP)>body types>funNo.
>>712461981Does it matter if I had fun?
>>712461095This has more differences from 1 than 2 did, but it still feels like Nioh.
>>712462446For me it's high stance odachi with the Resolute skill
>>712462015No we steal from actual good games like Shushima
>>712462649Not at all, that's what these games are about
>>712462369This is a generally retarded sentiment because it requires some sort of hidden cultural knowledge possessed only by autistic people as a way to handwave discussion from people who naturally played a certain way without seeking out some sort of autistic Nioh testament. This is like DMC autists complaining if you beat the game without juggling and jump cancelling.
>>712461948>graphicswait no, that's it. normalfags place a disproportional amount of importance on graphics.
This was the only thing I ever heard about RotR when it released as well. Normalfag scum has no insights to offer beyond what they can obverse at a surface level and somehow they think this is worth sharing.
>>712462442they always treak the character creation sliders a bit between games. wo long and RotR's were a downgrade from nioh 2, so hopefully that isn't also the case with nioh 3.
Realistically, if you're not using some autism build that 1-shots bosses, how do you actually get through 999 floors of abyss in nioh 1?
>>712462754It's just bants. Nobody except a couple vocal schizos actually care how you play the game
>>712460954they were good, crappy PC ports and giga outdated graphics aside
>>712461573Are you trying to be Nioh's Barry or something?
>he upgraded to level 2
you didn't beat the game
>>712462917very very slowly, doing the stupid stratas every time (I did not do that)
>>712461603That's how it always works in TN games. They basically always take place right after the base game's story.
>>712462917You don't. These games are even worse than Souls games for attracting posers.
>>712462732Hope they borrow visuals from tsushima because everything about that game other than visuals was trash
>>712462816RotR in particular seemed purposefully biased towards depicting asiatic characters it was odd to say the least
>>712462917You don't. By end game all mechanical complexity gets thrown out the window in favour of one shot strats.
Loot status?
please tell me it's not still diabloslop
>>712462917I don't 1 shot bosses, I just make myself borderline invincible
>>712460732 (OP)yea the demo is fun. canโt wait.
>>712460868You notice they never even talk about child birth, as if they believe that is wrong as well. It seems that no matter where you go in the world, the devil is running mainstream religion.
since these games are on sale, I own everything wo long and ronin aside, which one should I get first?
>>712462816>they always treak the character creation sliders a bit between games. wo long and RotR's were a downgrade from nioh 2, so hopefully that isn't also the case with nioh 3.I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought this. I tried to directly port my Nioh 2 character to Wo Long and he looked like garbage.
>>712463161I personally like Wo Long more but I'm biased since I'm a Sekirofag and like parrying too much.
>>712462579Thanks for demonstrating exactly what I said. If you had fun good for you, but there's much more to discover about the games.
>>712462754No? No one cares how you play and enjoy the game, at most some people will joke about it. But if you start trying to lie about how the game is and your experience is obviously very limited in one way or another then people will call out the discrepancy. It's not handwaving discussion when you have zero perspective or points for discussion to begin with. But I think you know this.
>>712463142They have auto equip now
>>712463161Be prepared for disappointment from either
>>712463142They doubled the fun of grinding!
>>712462553Yeah, I know, but I was never a big fan of the Youngblood set. I'd much rather have him with the setup I made for him.
>>712463248>Thanks for demonstrating exactly what I said. If you had fun good for you, but there's much more to discover about the games.NTA but I tried playing the game aiming for more complex playstyles and I just simply enjoyed playing it unga bunga more. The more fiddly combo juggling gameplay mechanics weren't fun to me.
>>712462917The same way you would beat any other boss. The silly damage builds speed up the process but it's not like you can't fight the bosses in the ways you would otherwise as you go through all the floors.
>>712463142it always will be, what's the problem anyway, it's not hard nor tedious to swap your equipment and dismantle/trade for amrita
Why do these games feel like they're trying to be TOO complex with all the stances and mechanics?
Even weapon swapping in other action games isn't this cumbersome with the way the controls are mapped
>>712463248There is some contradiction here.
You either don't care about sloth or you complain about people using it. You're currently saying one and doing the other.
>>712460732 (OP)nioh 2 feels far more fluid and unfortunately the demo wasn't optimized so it felt choppier than i would have liked. maybe it's been too long since i played 2 but the ki pulsing felt weirder as well. overall it was pretty fun but a bit underwhelming, especially that first boss. even wo long's first boss was excellent. honestly tho, i have complete faith in the nioh team to deliver another masterpiece.
>>712463231You can't just use the same slider number in different games. It probably has something to do with facial animation keep improving each game.
>>712463365Damn that white boy looking fly
>>712463161get both. if wo long edition with all the dlcs is on sale get that one.
>>712463248The depth of the game means nothing to me. It isn't required, doesn't add much, and the execution is too low to matter. 30f cancel windows aren't anything to write home about here.
>>712463307Only people who wanted Nioh Remaster will be disappointed.
>>712463161Wo long for pure action
>>712463142Upgrading to potentially Path of Exile slop, EG even more trash and more mods
>>712463365Speaking of Youngblood, I wonder how many "canon" armors did William go through. I know most promotional material depicts him in Youngblood, but the opening has him wear Veteran's and the Unusual armor has its description say it suits him.
>>712463392it's literally just "hold "stance button + your preferred stance", you are just too distracted during the combat to do it properly, try practicing a bunch of times when you respawn and you'll get better
>>712463426Point to where I complained about people using Sloth. There is no contradiction because I did not. I don't care if people use Sloth, I dislike Sloth itself because it is boring.
>>712463392They run out of buttons on DS4. Control would be easier if Console makers stop being greedy salesmen.
My issue with Nioh loot autism is how awfully it scales in usefulness. It's either completely worthless and basically changes nothing or you're one shotting every enemy in the game with no middle ground.
>>712463835Yeah I think I'd prefer these games more without the random loot.
>>712463392Mainly as wide as an ocean as deep as puddle syndrome. Lots of stances and attacks that seem deep but are really are superfluous and pointless. all this shit boils down to spamming attacks and pulses.
I hope i get attached to this one more than i did to Nioh 2
I mean it was great and probably an upgrade in just about everything over Nioh 1
BUT playing as captain Gaijin Thundercock going to fucking Nippon to slaughter samurai and yokai by the hundreds because some nigger kidnapped your magic waifu was a more appealing plot than Hide's.
>>712463884You are a fucking retard
>>712463392>Why do these games feel like they're trying to be TOO complex with all the stances and mechanics?Because they are. Nioh is the single most deceptively shallow action game ever created. You could remove like 90% of the combat options and absolutely nothing would change.
>>712462917>Realistically, if you're not using some autism build that 1-shots bosses, how do you actually get through 999 floors of abyss in nioh 1?By learning the attack patterns of bosses. That's the whole point of having a thousand floors that cycle through them.
>>712463884Nothing I said in that post was complaining about people using Sloth, only explaining the other responses which are exactly as I described. I even outright say "Use it if you want to".
Did they finally fix the item gacha system? Farming for any items is so pointless when it doesn't have the stats for your build.
>>712464085You can unga bunga doesn't mean unga bunga is the best.
>>712464085>>712464197Makes me feel better about how I'm playing. I'll continue just using low/mid stance katana and switching to high stance when I get behind enemies.
>>712464197its a fun game and the extra moves are to use.
video games are supposed to be fun and nioh achieves that.
I am curious as to what game you consider deep and complex and that you hold in comparison to Nioh.
>>712464131For me it was the opposite but only because I played 2 first. I missed all the hype and just bought 2 on a whim and got addicted for half a year. Dropped 400 or so hours across deck and pc on nioh 2.
>>712464085>all this shit boils down to spamming attacksyeah...? that's how you deal damage...?
>and pulsesyeah...? that's how you keep dealing damage...?
>>712464341You complaining that it makes things uninteresting
>>712464412You do what you want pookie. The most important thing is that people love and enjoy these games and spread the word
>>712464430I wish I had saved the elden ring webm spammer's webms I would DOMINATE this thread with them
>>712464197You know that isn't true so I don't know why you're trying to force it so hard. You can try to ignore it all you want but it doesn't change its existence especially when so many other people have actually learned what the depth entails.
>>712462579sure you did, troon
>>712464430I never said it's bad. Quite the opposite I think Nioh is one of the best action RPGs I've ever played. It's just not deep. Nor do I want it to be deep. But it could be better if they removed the very blatant bloat.
>I am curious as to what game you consider deep and complex and that you hold in comparison to Nioh.Monster Hunter will always be the shining example of what actual mechanical depth looks like in an action game.
>>712464468>voicing your personal opinion is complaining
>>712464131Did Maria even get a conclusion to her plotline? IIRC she just gets away
>>712464439yes, and there's nothing deep about it. you could remove a stance, half the moves, etc, game doesn't change.
>>712464439>Nioh is the single most deceptively sh-ACK
>>712464587yes, it can be, when you're sulking what's interesting when you have no clue what people find interesting.
>>712464584>monster hunter>place trap>hit monster for free for 5 minutes>quest complete
>>712464584>Monster Hunter will always be the shining example of what actual mechanical depth looks like in an action game.Mh went from each weapon having a power bar you babysit to every weapon having a dedicated parry and being openworld slop in a single generation. Meanwhile the depth of older titles like fu revolves around avoiding the monster as he clumsily turns around.
>>712464593She shows up in 2 and William grabs her. What he does with her afterwards is up to your imagination
>>712464639you can do that with every video game and as long as you have a dodge and a one damage attack "nothing will change"
>>712464584poser or falseflagger?
>>712464763almost on par with nioh:
>10 buffs>one shot>quest complete
>>712464763>>712464773The fact that you have to be disingenuously reductive to even pretend to have an argument just proves that you have no real arguments. People who are actually correct have no need to be disingenuous. Only hacks with no arguments do that
>>712464857>every opinion I don't like is baitHave a (you) schizo.
>>712464898Now thanks to wilds mh gets to enjoy the
>one shot>quest completeLoop as well
>>712464917Genuinely the best monhun is sunbreak. The older ones are too tedious and wilds is too easy
>>712464898you need to invest 500 levels into onmyo instead of 5 hunter credits.
but at least it doesn't take 5 minutes.
>>712464854Nah. Each move can have a specific purpose but Nioh is like souls where they just add different animations and thus new hitbox = new moves(!). this is why people play nioh and souls the same, spamming 1-2 moves in 1 stance. nioh rewards you more for engaging with the systems, but it's never required to annihilate the game
>>712465049Sunbreak definitely has the best action combat I'll agree with that.
>>712463884My point isn't a complaint, but more of why the fuck are you still using it for the last lap of the game? It's like doing the last challenge in expert mode while still having the training wheels on. It's pointless when you should have some mastery of skill by that point.
Gamewar faggots are probably the most pathetic posters out there
>>712464957>>712465058I'm not the guy that was fellating MH since I've never played one (they're worse than nioh), but we don't need to pretend Nioh is deep
>>712465128Then let's kiss you fag
>>712464917>disingenuously reductive to even pretend to have an argumentsays the guy removed 90% content and didn't change the game
>>712465163No game is deep action
>>712465132Namely because I never had any reason not to. I plowed through the game beating almost every boss in 1 go and only died a handful of times
>>712465163so you are just a samefagging falseflagger
>>712460732 (OP)Any 1 else think that the game feels kinda low effort and they really didn't want to make it and are just doing so to milk their autistic fanboys that refuse to buy any other game they make not named Nioh?
>Sengoku period... AGAIN... after we already did everything there in Nioh 2>Shallow open world like RotR>Added jumping presumably because Elden Ring did it>Gutted half the weapons in the game by making them ninja-only and not work with stances>Looks the same as Nioh 1 but runs 10 times worse>Same outdated animations>Out of the 4 bosses in the demo, 2 are recycled (Horse and Bloodedge demon is just the multi arm nigga from N1 DLC with a few new moves)Smells like a flop is brewing
>>712465381>Sengoku period... AGAIN...good news for you anon
>>712465049it's not the best mh, it doesn't even play like mh, it's a good action game when you reach the end game tho, but until that it's very boring and easy
>>712465132I found it a decently useful tool once it was down to 1v1 vs red guy
keep in mind I haven't played the game in the last 5 years so I'm really bad at it (still good enough to beat its hardest fight though!)
>>712465381Team Ninja invented jumping before Elden Ring invented jumping though
>>712465381>>Added jumping presumably because Elden Ring did it they had jumping since Wo Long lil nigga...
>>712465307Don't you find it boring doing it that way?
>>712464468Not only was I not complaining, simply stating how I feel about it as per the topic discussion, I was again talking about Sloth itself, not the people using it. At most what I said is that people who do not make an attempt to learn the mechanics of the game do not contribute to interesting discussion of those mechanics, which has been demonstrated time and time again and applies to all games.
>>712465456>but until that it's very boring and easyThis was my experience with world and wilds. Gu is fun as is 4u (I started with 3u) but nothing kept me as engaged and gagging for more like sunbreak. Where world casualized the whole the experience sunbreak built on that by stripping everything unnecessary to the new gen and not pretending like its still trying to be oldhun. It was arcadey and unapologetic in how it was just a monster fighting game. As far as the older ones go I think 4u is best but didn't put in anywhere as much time.
I saw someone say that they made flux less aids, how so?
>>712465381>didn't want to make itAnon the game wouldn't even be a thing if the devs didn't beg the studio to let them make more Nioh
>>712465576Team Ninja made zero games before they started copying Fromsoft with Nioh
>>712465624Why? I was watching number go up. To me the game was more like Diablo than anything else and in Diablo, number go up
>>712464857A little bit of both, me thinks. Sounds like someone's a fan of looping shitposts as well.
Fromsoftware created Nioh
At least petting cats is back in
Also yeah the graphics look bad for how poorly it runs
>>712465576>>712465586Don't you find it suspicious that neither Nioh nor Nioh 2 (that were made before Elden Ring) had jumping but now a post Elden Ring Nioh is announced and it has jumping?
>>712465726TN still invented jumping first even if only modern games count.
>>712465786If they did it would be good
>>712465672Fair enough.
I'm curious what an interesting Nioh discussion includes that excludes people that have beaten the game utterly.
>>712465786Fromsoft should skip to making passion projects like sekiro and ac6
>>712465832The development of Nioh 3 started years before elden ring was released
I came back to nioh 2, running ame no uzume/susano in Wise, 1/3 through, just before spear guy and katsuie. wish me luck!
>>712465861dark souls had a jump before team ninja was born
>>712464584This is not true. In particular Yokai weak spots are better targeted with certain stances, weapons, and skills. Not to mention three types of Yokai counters each with its situational advantages, variety of Yokai cores, and applying debuffs. All of this becomes important in end game.
>>712465971>Darkslop gets DLC out the ass>Sekiro gets no DLC>Armoured KINO 6 gets no DLCWhy does god punish me so?
>>712465930People who didn't get past ng+ would probably struggle to discuss a bunch of nioh mechanics
>>712465786>Take DS. >add a "le deep combat button">shitty Chalice-tier level design and boring NPC bosses>retarded lootInspired sure, but there's too much corn in this turd
>>712465832I think the reason why frogposter posts frog is that they don't play games so they don't have any pics other than frogs.
>>712465703That just sounds like marketing speak. "Oh we really wanted to make nioh 3 because it's our passion project and not because our higher ups told us to milk the franchise some more haha"
>>712460954Don't worry Nioh 3 will flop and suck too.
>>712466067Sekiro got free boss rush DLC with new bosses, have you done those?
>>712466067Life's tough but I hope they use some of that fortnitereign money for sekiro 2 or ac7. Though I doubt we'll get a new ac ever.
>>712466067The obvious Tomoe DLC was recycled into Malenia and Elden Ring
>>712466134Delicious cope
>>712464327So you just git so gud that the 4x gigadebuffs don't matter?
>>712466069I beat every mission on WoN and had sloth on my bar. To be fair, I didn't use any prestige points and some of the crafting stuff until after beating WoN
>>712466047you misplaced 2 nouns
>>712466134This post sounds like anon speak for you sucking cock
>>712465072I play odachi and moves from high stance deal heavy damage and cost a lot of ki (also good vertical hitboxes so they can headshot some enemies), moves from mid stance have good horizontal hitboxes and good against multiple enemies, moves from low stance are quick and low committal, also weak to block, they all have different uses, idk what else do you want, some enemies should take damage only from certain stances in your opinion?
>>712465832i dont care. jumping in elden ring serves no purpose. most games are like this. the jump is so short that it's only useful for climbing knee-high objects. there's no puzzles or action segments that involve jumping. there's no depth to jumping beyond pushing the button to jump. a lot of games with a jump button will just give you a contextual climbing animation, thus defeating the point of dedicating an entire button to jump.
jumping actually does things in nioh 3. it has purpose. it can be used for traversal and for combat. it's already 10x more useful than every other jump in video games that have jumping.
>Nioh 3 announcement threads
>anons excited, discussing the demo
>a week passes
>nothing but doomposting and ragebaiting and flamewarring
Did the discord negroes set their sights on this game now?
>>712465772>Why? I was watching number go up. To me the game was more like Diablo than anything else and in Diablo, number go upAmazes me how one man's paradise is another man's tedium.
>>712466285I'm talking more about later ng cycle stuff like graces or more specific accessories like yata mirror or yasakani magatama. Stuff like ultimate stats on picture scrolls, mystic dyads etc
>>712466171>Though I doubt we'll get a new ac ever.Didn't AC6 actually sell pretty well?
Am I retarded or does the base game of Nioh 1 not have any legendary Odachis or Tonfa?
>>712466146At least TN didn't have to sell out to Tencent
>>712466318These are all more or less the same move with different hitboxes some numbers jumbled around. frame data, damage, etc. interesting moves have interesting properties
>>712466324I beat the game by spamming jump attacks though?
>>712465072>but it's never required to annihilate the gameyou are hardly annihilating anything by doing a light combo from mid stance with no ki pulse and flux
>>712466410It's just fromsloppers getting uppity and the usual thread schizos
>>712466324Nta but you can trivialise half the bosses in the game with a jumping heavy attack in elden. It's super cheap and requires 0 thought
>>712466491Tencent would actually force them to make better games
>>712466491? From is under Kadokawa
>>712466257Going through the areas removes those and only one comes back per floor so you don't have to deal with them at all if you don't want to.
>>712466318What he wants is to shitpost about the game and justify not learning the options and depth the game has, that's why he keeps looping on assumptions that disappear with even the slightest inspection.
>>712466568Just like nightreign am I right?
>>712466568Like they did with PoE2? Fucking LMAO
>>712466471You know I'm not sure. Maybe I'm just terminally online but it just seems like it faded into obscurity very quickly. Hope you're right. I imagine from would love to do something different from elden
>>712466514I crushed the game all the way through WoN mashing kusarigama whirlybird and the grab move. all i used. can't even remember which stance that is. didn't even use prestige points until after i beat every mission on WoN/300 depth lol. i think i died 29x throughout all the difficulties
>>712466473you mean divine(green)? they might not drop from orochi but you can get them later
>>712466667Nightrein mogs everything team shitja has ever shat out
>>712466671>path of shart and fartI forgot that garbage exists
>>712466473Not sure what you mean by legendary but Odachi and Tonfa were DLC weapons so you don't find any set bonus ones until then, not that that matters because you don't have to limit your set choice by what weapon is included in it, if the bonuses help you then they help you.
>>712466318NTA, but honestly I'd prefer if the game didn't have stances and had most of the moves available to you with them like other action games, much like how I don't like having to switch Dante's style in DMC to change what Circle does. But that's just me, I'm fine with people liking Nioh's stance system. I'm hoping ninja mode in Nioh 3 lets me play this series in a new interesting way that's closer to what I like.
>>712466767lol
lmao
nightreign is the worst game fromsoft has released
>>712466556To be fair the jump in jumping attack doesn't mean anything. It's not like a physics-based game where height gives more damage.
>>712466841From's worst is miles better than TN's best.
>>712466503they are hardly similar and used in different scenarios, fighting a group of enemies with a high stance is nearly impossible unlike with a mid stance
the game also has unique moves like gap closer, moves that move you around in funny ways, enhanced block stances, etc.
>>712466764>>712466781Maybe I mean unique weapons? I'm early game Nioh 1 but I found a really powerful named katana that looks unique.
>>712466683Well I feel like a series like AC is just going to be more niche no matter what but yeah I hope they don't just keep releasing more Souls derivatives.
>>712466257>So you just git so gud that the 4x gigadebuffs don't matter?Yeah. But after you git gud with the bosses, you've got to git gud at handling dual bosses on your own. If you do co-op, you end up doing triple bosses. Dual bosses are a lot of fun, but fuck me it's hard to crack the formula on how to beat them consistently. For most duel bosses, all you've got to do is make them come to you in a straight line. Avoid getting inbetween them because that is where they wreck your shit. Dual bosses are for the most part one of the standard enemies (like Hanzo). Using parries like tempest give you invincibility frames while knocking your opponent on their back. If you get rid of these guys first, the main boss becomes a standard affair.
>>712466762I think you just googled a broken build and abused it all the way through and now pretending to be smart so anons here would think you are cool
>>712466783I think both are workarounds for not enough buttons on controller.
>>712467084you cleared the debuffs here, I hope you realize some of us can tell :^)
>>712466949Different weapons drop in different regions and there are some weapons that are fancier than others, but a lot of the more special Odachi/Tonfas will be in the DLC. There'll still be some new nice ones before then though.
>>712467015>tranny lives rent free in fromdrone's headjust like miyazaki's favorite boss template
>>712466491>At least TN didn't have to sell out to TencentYet. They've already sold out to Agenda 2030 (though probably through ignorance rather than malicious intent).
>>712467238Says the tranny defending team slopja's body type a/b game
>>712466894Different audiences I guess. I found elden to be the most boring game of the last few years, meanwhile souls I beat once each and have 0 interest in replaying. Only game of theirs I like I sekiro. Meanwhile tn i have 500 hours between nioh 2 and Jack's game. That's just the nioh likes not considering ninja gaidens. From has more mass appeal
>>712467306Sounds like you have shit taste
>>712467285they stole type a/b for elden ring though
>>712467008Maybe he means Raikiri? It's the first elemental weapon you get and while not actually unique early on it could feel the part
>>712467285I guess TN really is ripping off FromSoft
>>712467372>4 identical games that have 0 differences in gameplay It's fine if you like exploring spooky ruins but souls are dull games with little to no gameplay variety. More cinematic than anything
>>712467182>you cleared the debuffs here, I hope you realize some of us can tell :^)Why does that matter? It's literally one of the mechanics of the abyss, plus it's where you get loot from as well. Doing levels is also a change of pace to the bosses.
>>712467397>>712467489Body type A/B literally has no meaning in Elden Ring, characters still refer to you as either man or woman
>>712460732 (OP)going back to nioh 2 right now and im worried i'll have complete brainrot from abusing fists by the time nioh 3 is out
>>712467562Elden Ring has tranny boss in game
>>712467562>it doesn't matter when my favorite megacorp does it!
>>712467536It matters because doing it takes fucking forever, remember the abyss has 999 levels? Imagine clearing 4 sub-missions each time
>>712466894From is like Nintendo at this point. They just rehash the same shit and the brainrot masses eat it up.
>>712466767Anon Nightreign is really fun but it's a shameless asset flip and tech demo
>>712467692>tranny is a villain in the gameIdk, sounds based to me
>>712467536>pic relatedbest stage in Nioh 2
>>712467706The only 2 good game developers left
>>712467692That's just rehashing dark souls 1. Gotta keep the fans happy
>>712467562The push for Body Type A/B makes more sense when you've got the WEF leader Klaus Schwab (now ex leader) talking about leaving the material world and transplanting his soul into the digital world. It's not just trannies that push for this nonsense, these people really do believe that the soul and the body are separate entities.
>>712467730>but it's a shameless asset flipBut enough about Nioh
>>712467730demo for what tech?
>>712467779Very common across a lot of companies unfortunately
>>712467740You are the villain in Elden Ring though. Dark souls also has tranny god as the good guys.
>>712467702You don't have to clear all 4 every floor, one comes back every time you go up a floor so you can clear 4 on the first, then you only have to do 1 each time for the others. He's already sad enough, you don't need to go further.
>>712467702>It matters because doing it takes fucking forever, remember the abyss has 999 levels? Imagine clearing 4 sub-missions each timeYou don't do 4 sub-missions each time. When you enter the abyss you have four to clear, but every new floor after that only adds one ailment, so it becomes once per floor.
>>712467764>best stage in Nioh 2It's from Nioh 1. It's the Umibozu stage.
>>712467764Isn't this the Umi-bozu temple in 1?
purple itsumade can fuck off
What a shit thread, why can't we just discuss nioh and TN without seethe from other games
>>712468035>>712468038I didn't know every lake has reflection in japan
>>712468235water tends to do that
>>712464837IRL Wirriam wasn't allowed to leave the country which means...
>>712468193Not the best idea but you could try making a /vg/ thread
>>712468193Because some very angry pathetic people keep looping on shitpost subjects to ruin threads.
>>712468193because if it's not fromsoft talk it's whining about how TN's other games aren't nioh
>>712461308>>712460996Fuck no the dlc missions are kilometers more difficult than the base game and have some cracked yokai on roids. It's better to go to the next difficulty and leave the dlc for ng+5, when the power difference will be lesser, or, well, just whenever you want to get your ass fucked
>>712468561It's not that bad, I went to the DLC right after beating the story and it was fine.
>>712467106i started playing after the living weapon meme. i'm sorry you ki pulsed 10 times a second and still had to fight every boss 30x
>>712468561It's not that bad if you've learned how the mechanics work. Not everyone does that though and finds one or two methods to cheese through, yet ironically those methods can still work at that point too.
>>712468494That also bothers me, why can't we just enjoy the entire post nioh catalog. They're all good imo
I stop shitposting for 15 minutes and you end up on page 10 jej
>>712468494Wo Long and RotR were bitterly disappointing games anon
>>712463154Nigga it's only a sin for the priests, not everyone else. Priests aren't out there trying to make babies.
>>712469842This isn't the look you want it to be. Discussion naturally ebbs and flows, but all it does is make it clear the only reason you post here is to shit up threads.
>>712469842It's almost like people left the thread after you ruined it
>>712470012i enjoyed them
>>712470012I've only just started playing Wo Long and I'm liking it so far. It's a nice change of pace, and I like the fact that you've got characters that can go with you.
>>712471338it's a fun and decent game
Anytime anyone suggests playing ror or sop I think they might be cool but in the end I'd probably just prefer wasting my time getting better at nioh 2. Seems like that would give me more satisfaction
>>712471740You can't really go wrong with any of the Team Ninja line up, and each game offers a lot of fun mechanics to learn and improve upon while also giving a distinct experience. Nioh 3 is also continuing that trend and depending on how they handle it from this Alpha forward it really can be their new magnum opus.
>>712471639>it's a fun and decent gameIs Wo Long in the same universe as Nioh and Ninja Gaiden?
>>712471740SoP has a lot more variety and that's a big part of the fun. There's a lot more to chew into with the different builds you can do.
Once you get good at Nioh there isn't too much to do. Most of the weapons just aren't that interesting or different enough. 1kat, spear, and fists are pretty much the only weapons in the game that offer a lot for you to learn and think about.
>>712471740SoP isn't worth it desu it's too hard to find a spot where the game is neither too hard nor too easy
>>712472254Mezuki exists in WL so maybe
>>712460996Go to the DLC, don't worry the only boss who's going to give you a hard time is Douman and your uncle
>>712472262Sop is all about the builds. I think the coolest thing is the synergy between skills, commands and affinities that really make your build feel like your own. Though by the end all builds kinda feel like they end in a one hit kill button
>>712462324MUNESHIGE DON'T DESERVE HER! SHE SHOULD BE MINE! SHE WOULD BE ALIVE IF I WAS HIS HUSBAND
>>712472254There's enough subtle references and similar nods to suggest all the TN games are in the same universe.
>>712472262You definitely have more to learn with all the weapons if you think that is the case.
>>712472413The oneshot builds do exist but you don't have to make them, I don't and still have a lot of fun with the game even past Rift floor 300.
>>712472306>Mezuki exists in WL so maybeThat's good to hear even if it's light on it. I'm hoping Nioh 3's Abyss has bosses from Ninja Gaiden and Wo Long. Otakemaru mentions that the intern is a place that spans time, so why not have it where you fight bosses from these timelines in the Abyss as a bonus (I don't want them as main content, just an exciting extra for end game content).
>>712470012>I don't like this therefore objectively bad and everyone else doesn't like them eitherNo. And your favourite Nioh playstyle is probably lame too.
>>712472743>There's enough subtle references and similar nods to suggest all the TN games are in the same universe.The thing is Nioh and Ninja Gaiden are the same universe. There's a possibility that Nioh content will be in Ninja Gaiden 4.
>>712472964Yeah I was just tying it to Wo Long as well because the nods are a little more subtle than literally fighting a Dragon Ninja. I would love to see the references returned with Nioh stuff in NG4 though, whether it's a William cameo or even some specific Nioh yokai, maybe even an Onryoki, Itsumade or Kasha bossfight.
>>712472743>The oneshot builds do exist but you don't have to make them, I don't and still have a lot of fun with the game even past Rift floor 300Yeah true. I'd like to make a fun build concentrating on senshin stance. I think it has tons of potential but all my builds gave been gc up till now. Only on rift 50 or so.
>>712473282Katana's my favourite weapon and Senshin stance is awesome, if you're looking for ideas then the best jobs would probably be Knight/Dark Knight if you want to focus solely on Senshin, Knight's Blessing of Light triggers on parries and Dark Knight can both use Katanas and trigger Souleater off those Blessing hits too. Not sure what gc means but with how early on you are you don't have to worry too much about your build, just take your time piecing it together since you've got the Warrior of Light set as a fallback until high Job Affinity % relics drop. The Cactuar farm on Wanderer covers any and all material needs.
>>712473695does SOP have an end game like their other games do?
>>712472413I don't think it's even legal to play a build that's not bringer spam with knight 400
>>712473695>gcI'm retarded. Greatsword. I'll check out the knight combo.
>>712473807Yep, every DLC introduces a new difficulty, and the Rift Labyrinth which the second DLC story is based around is the game's take on the Underworld and has several other floors to go through when coming back.
>>712473940Ah I see. Builds don't necessarily have to be weapon focused that much, the only exception is making sure you have the Job Affinity % for the basic job but you can set that up for whichever weapons you want to use and switch it out. For my build I just swap one piece based on the weapon I'm using to account for that since I enjoy using all the jobs and weapons. There's a lot of fun combinations you can come up with just from experimenting though so just make as much use of your available options as possible.
>>712472825With how grossly OP Nioh characters are Awakened Alma wouldn't even be hard
>>712473272The references aren't exactly subtle, anon. Wo Long just straight up has Amrita Crystals and all the same world building things like that. Even if you don't use Mezuki as evidence considering the Lies of P is a crossover too, it is pretty clear they're set in the same world.
>>712474858Comparatively speaking anon. Stuff like them mentioning the existence of a dragon bloodline and how elixir is Amrita in all but name is still a bit of a wink wink nudge nudge in how its portrayed even if we all know what it refers to if we know the games. Regardless it's still fun to see every time.
>>712464837He forces her to act as Josephโs babysitter so William and Okatsu can have romantic nights out together but the precocious little scamp is adventurous and sneaks away casing all sorts of trouble for Maria!
so why was william imprisoned in the london tower and why did he decide to swim to japan?
>this is what William is drowning in as soon as he dips his toes in the water around Itsukushima
AIIIIEEEE SAVE ME SAORCISE
Nioh biggest problem in the setting.
Im okay with it been in japan but for gosh sake do something with it
>>712475838The game tells you that. He was imprisoned on false charges because they wanted to execute him and steal Saiorse for use as an Amrita compass to get to Japan.
>>712475838He was a British privateer who stumbled onto the English government's plot to weaponize amrita for their war with Spain.
So they tried to disappear him, but he escaped before his execution.
Mr. snake dude intercepted him before he could finish escaping though and took his Mermaid lady living spirit from him, so William followed him to Japan to get her back.
>>712475931Why do you think he dies instantly in water?
>>712475838Multiple reasons, but the main one is so Edward Kelly can capture Saoirse because the spirit can detect danger and amrita.
>>712476531He's Irish, he dies instantly if he touches a liquid that isn't alcohol
>>712472964>>712473272>>712474858Are Ninja Gaiden, Wo Long, Nioh, Rise of the Ronin, AND Lies of P all in the same universe? I can buy all the games from the same dev, but what connection would Lies of P have?
>>712477859Not Lies of P, that's just a fun little crossover they did with the shared weapons, but there absolutely is a Team Ninja shared universe comprised of Ninja Gaiden, Dead or Alive, Nioh, Wo Long and Rise of the Ronin. Now if only Team Ninja could manage to bring Jack into it too.
>>712477859>lies of p crossoverUhhh qrd?
>>712477610Everytime I remember that William is Irish I think about all the graves and this song plays in my head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJG7CIqLo9A
>>712478374Wo Long and Lies of P had a crossover where Wo Long got two weapons (Puppet Sabre and the umbrella) and Lies of P got a weapon and an outfit (Azure Dragon Glaive and a Guan Yu set). The Puppet Sabre was actually really good and the umbrella was pretty unique but I hear the Glaive was completely busted as fuck and broke Lies of P wide open.
>>712479056Aha I c, thank you
I hope this means they got rid of the mission style level select.
>>712478374You get his parasol sword and it's unique ability is holding it forward like a Mary Poppins shield. It's not amazing, but looks great with some armours.
>>712479056The glaive in LoP is good but not busted or anything to that extreme.
>>712461320Sex with Miyoshino
>>712477610>>712478661He's William Adams, not William McAdams.
>>712479471Excessively lovey dovey babymaking missionary while holding hands and kissing*
>>712479858Lady Noh my beloved
>>712480354>Lady Noh my belovedhttps://files.catbox.moe/jeybou.jpg
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>>712480985It took me way too long to realize she was Nobunaga's wife while playing through 2, especially while being aware that they had the same VA. Kinda ironic that she turned into an ice queen after being burnt alive.
That HRAAAH scream she does when she stomps the ground echoes in my soul
>>712480354>>712480985The fact they made her into Yuki Onna is very cool but also after Nioh 2 it makes me sad because I wanted more of her. The fact she is our character's half sister is never raised and they never interact.
I find it doubly odd that they have her just die since in real life it's actually a total mystery what happens to her. She supposedly was not at Honnoji when Nobunaga was killed and after he dies, she is never mentioned again in any historical source, except a potential reference years later in a document of an important unnamed widow in the Oda clan being given money or something. I like how Nioh always explores unsolved mysteries in their characters' histories and does the most with them, e.g. Mitsuhide becoming a monk and helping from the shadows because there is no actual record of him dying for certain, so I wish they did the same for Nohime.
>>712479734Irish, English. What's even the difference?
>>712482042Eh, i enjoy the nobuwank these games so i like that out of the 3 big sengoku guys he is the only one with a good marriage.
Tanuki on the other hand threw his family into the trash (and gives no fucks about his bastard children) and Monkey had a rape child with Chacha.
>>712482221>Irish, English. What's even the difference?Ancestry/heritage/culture.
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>>712482042I get that. What would you have done? Have Kicho be a shadowy figure that gives William leads so that he can stop her husband's resurrection and have him finally laid to rest?
Though on the other hand I enjoy how he's built up as this catastrophe about to happen and when he does appear he just goes "nah" and fucks off.
>>712443008>bro acting like he's doing a dance with the boss>literally fights like he plays Dark Souls 3
>>712461603>Are the Nioh 1 DLCs meant to be played right after finishing NG?Yes, people think otherwise because of the first boss, even though his entire gimmick is that his weakspot is in front of him, so you can outrange everything that he does
>>712483550I think it would have been nice to have her as one of Hide's supporters in the late game of Nioh 2 since they are siblings and she disliked Hideyoshi. And it would have made a very interesting dynamic where Tenkai, who was also Hide's supporter, has to hide his identity from the woman whose husband he murdered, adding to his story of disgracing himself and becoming a vile traitor for the greater good.
>>712463161Do you own Stranger of Paradise
>>712482829>Ancestry/heritage/cultureNonsense. That's what the Irish want you to believe.
>>712472743>You definitely have more to learn with all the weapons if you think that is the case.Such as? Bestow the supposed wisdom in axe, odachi, kusa, etc
>>712484225Those are literally the core components of what an ethnicity is.
If you use sloth, I throw burning oil jars at you.
If you use scampusses, I throw burning oil jars at you.
If you use Living Weapon/Living Weapon/Living Artifact, I throw burning oil jars at you.
If you skip the cutscenes meaning its your first time doing the mission, I throw burning oil jars at you.
If you run away and have me fight enemies, I throw burning oil jars at you.
If you run away to do ranged attacks and debuffs, I throw burning oil jars at you.
If you buff up before bosses, I throw burning oil jars at you.
>>712485065All of those weapons have a ton of different skills and tools, even Axe which manages to make up the difference by having all its charge skills effectively count as two different ones based on charge. Odachi has its stance changing and very unique guard and counter tools on top of many different attacks utilizing its range. That segues into Kusarigama that has many distance-based techniques to allow you to close the gap and maintain pressure from a distance. Every weapon is full of potential.
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While I am certain I will enjoy this game the split of Ninja and Samurai weapons is a blatant and lazy downgrade, makes ninja weapons feel inherently weaker since you lose a ton of % damage of regular armor (the sets dropping in the post-demo mission for ninja all just buff ninjitsu and not weapon dmg), and it also doesn't bode well for the weapons' skills since you no longer have stances for them, so there will be limitations to selection.
I also really hope the post-demo mission isn't an indication of the standard side mission we will get. I don't want the "challenge" coming from just sustaining through the lack of shrines. Not fun, not cool. It's just elixir chugging.
>>712486176If you are being a bitch that can't be damaged by fire, I will use yokai incense to attract and swarm enemies at you. And then throw mud jars so you can't heal.
>>712485997I can't wait for coop shittery. I hope pvp is back
>>712485997do you even play coop? I think it's a waste of time. My friend wants me to play with him because he's a casual but running around stunlocking everything is silly
>>712486352>I don't want the "challenge" coming from just sustaining through the lack of shrines.What do you mean? It's the same as the main story crucible but with a different yokai. You still have the three Boddhisattva Statues.
Wonder why they even act like Stirrings of Anihilation is harder when even the end boss has so little stamina you can just bully him.
>>712486243>its charge skills effectively count as two different ones based on charge.Not interesting at all. No shit you can release charge skills early and it's not exclusive to axe
>Odachi>has its stance changingThey're just combo enders. Switchglaive effectively does it's gimmick better by giving you more direct control on which stances to combo into, rather than having set combos you set through the menu
>very unique guard and counter toolsIt's just a parry. Yes you can use it against nearly every enemy but it's not some super special skill.
>Kusarigama that has many distance-based techniques to allow you to close the gap and maintain pressure from a distanceNot mechanically interesting especially with how slow it is. You can literally be faster in almost any other weapon by just running or dashing forward at medium weight. Kusa has a lot of potential in Nioh 1/2 but it's skills are just too slow to make it flow well
>>712486846Nta but I convinced my casual friend to play coop with me. He was having a great time till he tried to play solo and couldn't progress
>>712486995>different yokaiDifferent set of yokai*
Dunno why that didn't carry across
>>712486995>What do you mean? It's the same as the main story crucible but with a different yokai. You still have the three Boddhisattva Statues.I had to stop early, but it felt like they removed the statues other than the start one? Maybe I just forgot their placement. Still, I don't really want to do the same content again with different enemies personally.
>>712487116I mean yeah same thing happened here. He couldn't progress so we played a bit of coop along with some randoms on expedition, now he can't progress again and it's even harder. But I don't think it's fun playing the game without learning the enemy patterns or how to defend yourself
Have they made a comment on additional weapons being added in release? Sad to see Axe/Fists/Split go.
>>712486846its fun to farm stuff, makes the monotony less painful. Also helping weaker players is fun, especially in the higher difficulties where we all die in one or two hits anyways so we all have to stay sharp. I like the way they do revives in nioh 2 expeditions to compensate too.
>>712487256He tried to fight yatsu no kami solo after not learning how to play and getting carried for the first few levels. He's never been the same.
It's very fun if I've already got my full of solo to just guide a friend and shoot the shit
Does anyone actually know how the enemy healty scaling works in expeditions? I assume it's based on host's current ng cycle because I hosted and me and my buddy were grinding yokai for ages but he ( a noob) hosted and I was almost insta killing yokai
>>712487285Yeah, people getting out of bounds have found Chijiko dropping arts for tonfas and the like, so it's safe to say this isn't the full set of weapons. I'd wager we'll get the ones we're missing now in the beta.
>>712487554coolio thx i am quite hype
>>712487515you pick the difficulty when you make an expedition
>>712487515I hope they properly lower co opers damage, we could still decimate enemies since our power is tied to equips and not stats
Not sure how I feel about the form swap
Im more of a "stick to one thing" kinda guy
>>712488428Interview said they expect people some people to just main one mode
>>712488570I guess if they accounted for that its fine
Itll really depend on the available weapons
>>712460732 (OP)Getting a new primarily for nioh 3. My current one is so shit I've basically been locked out of TN slop post nioh 2. Will likely blitz wo long and ronin till n3
>>712488570>Interview saidHere's the translated interview.
>Heaven Flash Lightning
>Increases the wind up before attacks
What does this even mean?
It's written in red so I assume it's bad
>>712491734Means the attack takes longer to come out than its regular version
>>712492059I had that thought but I tried testing it and I barely noticed anything.
If that's all it is then those are just straight upgrades pretty much.
>>712492108Iโd be more attracted to Toshimitsuโs sexy daughter if she wasnโt completely outclassed by the sexy yokai women
>>712460732 (OP)Based on what I played, it felt floaty and WORSE than the previous 2 games. Just play around and aim with the bow/gun to see what I am talking about, how do you regress backwards with shit was already perfect as it was?
>>712494462>how do you regress backwards with shit was already perfect as it was?Old guard moves up the career ladder with the new talent having no history with its refinement.
new players will rise up and mog old players by only playing with ninja mode
>>712495458You get what I mean about aiming right? It's not just me.
>>712495725I don't know what insecure shit you're getting at but Ninja mode does feel stronger than Samurai mode.
The backstab bonus and the skill that gives mind's eye on dodges more than make up for the lack of ki pulse.
And I'm sure there is going to be a ton of aerial options and bullshit ninjutsus in the full game.
I'm personally hoping for more of an incentive to swap between the two frequently.
>>712495861>You get what I mean about aiming right? It's not just me.I haven't played the demo so I can't comment on it.
That lightning katana move you get from the weasel is cool. btw is there a crucible version of the dual kat?
>>712498614I think all of the weapons have a crucible skill to learn. You can check it on their skill tree, it will say something like "learned through familiarity in the crucible".
Also the crucible weapons seem to just be a modifier added onto regular weapons and not specific unique weapons like the corrupted and purity weapons were in Nioh 2.
I think I had a crucible cross spear.
>>712495725>*deflect*>nothing personal kid
>>712460732 (OP)PUT IT ON PC RIGHT NOW I WANT TO PLAAAAAAAAAAAY