Thread 712462087

ITT worldbuilding red flags

>the central hub region of the game map is "normal"
>the other regions around it are themed after regional tropes (like desert, snow etc)
>they're arranged like spokes on a wheel, all touching the central region
Dogshit ass worldbuilding

>>712462087 (OP)
>(snow) nigger mad
It's the only objective right world design you tripple welfare enjoyer.
Home should be a comfy place and the rest a fun vacation with a summer/winter home at best.

>>712462279
The issues with this approach
>none of the regions feel far away
>you can never feel like you really ventured out into the world
>the cultures being distinct despite being so close together is goofy
>closes off potential for further landmass by delegating any newly discovered lands to new continents

>>712462087 (OP)
It wasn’t originally like that. High Rock is the classic questing medieval region. Bethesda fucked up by retconning Cyrodiil away from a jungle and squishing all Imperials into a single monoculture when it’s supposed to be more diverse

>sci-fi world
>entire planet is only 1 biom
>entire alien race has little to no differences between each other and only have one culture.
>only humans have any diversity and still cling to cultures and fads from half a million years ago.

As much as I like Star Trek that shit always bothered me.

>>712462087 (OP)
kino worldbuilding

>>712462087 (OP)
>>they're arranged like spokes on a wheel
It actually has a metaphysical meaning in the Elder Scrolls. Existence itself has been compared to a cartwheel with Aedra being the spokes holding it in place. Just don't ask what happens when you look at the wheel from the side.

>>712465965
There are also eight provinces just like the eight spokes of the wheel revolving around the white-gold tower, and eight divines with the ninth being the emperor himself ruling from the center.

>>712465965
>>712466673
That's some shit they made up after the fact to justify their goofy-ass map design

>>712466829
TES lore has been turbo-autistic since the beginning. I wouldn't doubt it desu

>>712466905
Arena was bog standard

>>712463368
This reminds me how ArenaNet retconned the Kryta region (centrally located but only gotten to after about a 1/3rd of the game) from a tropical region to a generic temperate region in GW2 because they needed it as the human starting area in GW2.
They also changed the ethnicity of the natives there.

>>712469520
I like Kryta being a mixture of tropical beaches and swamps, felt logical given you go to Maguuma Jungle immediately afterwards
The only part that made no sense at all was it being next door to the prerequisite snowy mountain area

>>712462784
>the cultures being distinct despite being so close together is goofy
Someone want to tell this retard about Europe?

>>712469843
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he's a burger, who think Europe is a single country

>>712462087 (OP)
>the central hub region of the game map is "normal"
lol oblivionbaby

>>712469843
Europe cultures are relatively similar on a global scale, in small wheel worlds like this it's like having a Scandinavian viking country bordering african desert tribes to the east and ancient chinese empires to the west

>>712470524
>niggaroth

>>712470267
The cultures we see have a gradient with the places they border. The parts of Hammerfell that border Skyrim feel like a mix of Nord and Redguard culture. Its not a clean cut. The landmass is also way bigger than you think it is.

>>712470267
The English countryside which Oblivion is based on is less than 1,000 km from Scandinavia which Skyrim is based on. No shit they're scaled down. They're video games.

>>712470804
It's still far too drastic of a change given it's all one big easily traversed landmass, real cultural differences IRL always stem from isolation

>>712470876
England is separated from Scandinavia by sea, which explains the cultural difference despite the close distance

>>712470524
Old maps are so goofy.

>>712470267
>>712470876
>Oh, but what about Vvardenfell's swamps and marshes
Oh, you mean like the Mediterranean region that's also super fucking close to the UK and Scandinavia?

>>712471058
See
>>712471168
You keep moving those goalposts you're going to run out of field pretty soon

>>712471381
I will move the goalposts as often as I have to in order to avoid having to admit that I'm wrong. I can't be wrong about anything ever. I'm right by virtue of being me.

>>712470267
That is pretty much what Europe was like in the past. You could be in medieval Italy and you had crusading Franks right next door, norse vikings raiding and settling their+your own coastlines, al-Andalus right over to the west, desert tribes beyond the frontier in north africa, Greeks right across the tyrrhenian calling themselves Romans, slavs of various kinds right next door, Kiev and the Russians upriver fighting with Tatars and Mongols, the Holy Land a short pilgrimage away, and the rest of the islamic world right there. Horse nomads or their descendants are a stone's throw away in Pannonia, or in Cumania and Anatolia just a bit further afield. You just think everyone's culture was mostly the same because that's how it is now, watered down with commercialized popular culture. There was once a world with diverse regional cultures and that's what medieval fantasy and adventure stories are based on.

>>712471058
To be fair Skyrim is separated by all those mountains, which is the same reason India is so different from China

>>712462087 (OP)
>>they're arranged like spokes on a wheel, all touching the central region
almost like there's a metaphysical reason for this in the lore

>>712471058
I don't know how easily traversable it is. What you see in game isn't necessarily representative of lore. It might be a bitch to travel through the alikr and then through the dragontail mountains and then into Skyrim. Traversing blackmarsh is nigh impossible and I can't imagine Valenwood is easy either. Really only Cyrodill is easy due to perfect terrain and well patrolled roads.

>>712471381
The Mediterranean is neither swampy nor close to the UK/Scandinavia, and most of its unique cultural traits stem from the fact it was made up of seafaring nations exposed to outside influence, no Tamriel region is exposed to any outside influence except maybe residual Akaviri influence in Hammerfel

>>712462087 (OP)
So what's outside the main area? Are there other continents? Also whats in the outer space? Are there like alien elder scrols?

>>712471490
Sounds like upper management material to me.

>>712471490
frognigger

>>712471796
Theres the continents of atmora in the north (nords and possibly all humans came from here think hyperborea) akavir to the east (Japan) yokuda to the west (wakanda) and there's a weird tropical continent to the south with sea elves Th at ride sea serpents. Outer space has the planets (corpses of the gods) and the stars which are white holes to Aetherius (heaven). The empire used to have space stations and the Khajiits have moon colonies they get to with stargates.

>>712471791
I never said it was swampy. I thought for the sake of this discussion Mediterranean wetlands and marshes were similar enough to swamps.

>>712462087 (OP)
Cyrodiil is only "normal" because Bethesda felt like going the safe route back in the mid 2000s, it wasn't originally meant to be like that.

>>712471791
>nor close to the UK/Scandinavia
Closer than the opposite coasts of like five countries off the top of my head, so appropriately close for my argument. You're being pedantic.

>>712466905
No, at the very start it was just mass kitchen sink that any employee could add to for the sake of increasing game content. Hence them literally just having a place named after the English county The Shire was based on.

>setting has no schools or general education to speak of
>literacy is so high that farmers have bookshelves of novels in their houses and bandits write notes to each other

>magic is highly common, convenient, can do almost anything and is avaliable to the general public through shops or guilds
>society somehow still resembles medieval Europe

>civilization is widespread and well established
>no effort has been made to exterminate monsters from civilized areas

>>712462784
Those are words and concepts
>>712462279
This clown fails to grasp. Not enterily human, more like a word typing machine, an crude evolution of a trivial bug, yet walking on two legs, fascinating specimen.
>>712462279
Fpwp

>>712472828
>magic is highly common, convenient, can do almost anything and is avaliable to the general public through shops or guilds
>society somehow still resembles medieval Europe
Kek. It's true, more everyday life content would do the trick.
>no effort has been made to exterminate monsters from civilized areas
What would the faring strangers then do? Certainly not getting filthy rich within days.

>>712472828
Literacy I would imagine is because of religion. The imperial cult has a focus on texts we don't really get to see in game. Magic isn't as all powerful as you think and there are always forces to counteract the crazier shit. They do exterminate monsters but its hard to look in every cave for these beasts and they breed out of control when you aren't looking. Cliff racers at least we're wiped out and largely so were giants.

>>712473120
>Some ESL turd world insults
Stay mad Pajeet.

>>712462087 (OP)
>Italy
>Surrounded by a sea touching coast on all sides but not really a lake
>The sea is surrounded by desert region, snow region, mountain region, forest region, desert region, foothills region..

>Rome

>>712473921
Bro is from India so all he knows are shit filled rivers and shit filled plains with some mountains supposedly a lifetime of travel away.

>>712471158
I played this fame before and it fucking sucks. Just before you get to drive cars you have to play the rest of the game in an entirely different area that is basically the same thing, just in different places.

>>712474118
I played this game before and it fucking sucks. Just before you get to drive cars you have to play the rest of the game in an entirely different area that is basically the same thing, just in different places.

>>712473609
Strong analytics are no mere insults, burger.

>>712475508
An crude evolution on deez nutz with your sub room temperature IQ and TEMU bought credentials.

>>712473609
not being esl doesnt magically make you white

>>712462087 (OP)
>game map is purposefully deceiving because the dev doesn't like his fans

>>712462087 (OP)
>draw a normal map
>boooo that's fucking boring! Generic! Be more creative!
>draw fucked up fantasy world map
>boooo that's unrealistic! Not how geography works! Look up tectonic plates sweaty!
The best way to worldbuild is to not listen to fans and simply draw the map that best facilitates the purpose of your story/game

bump

>>712477120
It's simply too gamey

>>712462087 (OP)
>they're arranged like spokes on a wheel
>turn the wheel on its side
>makes an I
>unlock the secrets of the universe
What a fucking copout

>>712479006
1s and 0s and sheeit. Chim be console commands and game saves. I am am not can't Sneed.

>>712478823
I wonder why

>>712477120
>draw a normal map
well yeah that would be a weird way to design a world

>>712462087 (OP)
Define "normal"

>>712462087 (OP)
>red flags
>yet it lives rent free in your head for decades on end
Ok you vaccinated retard

>>712462087 (OP)
Whats actually wrong with that shit for brains?

>>712471158
Took me a second

>>712481929
It's popular therefore if you hate it you're smart.

>>712481929
see >>712462784