New thread for talking about how V*rsofags made the wrong choice

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>>712409207

>>712466124 (OP)
To the anon who said they prefered FFX to E33, what the fuck is wrong with you?

This thread has been co-opted by the VERSO GANG
#timetostoppainting #VERSOGANG

>Vergo's ending is genociding an entire universe
>THIS IS GOOD BECAUSE IT IS
>Alicia's ending is...Verso gets to practice his hobby
>THIS IS BAD BECAUSE IT IS

>another thread of delusional echo chamber retards

>>712466124 (OP)
I picked Verso for Renoir

holy fuck alicia simps are retarded

>>712466496
pretty much

>>712467432
>DURRRR LE ESCAPISM BAD. DA PAINTING WURLD FAKE
This is you

>>712467606
>mediocre JRPGs
are you implying that traditional JRPGs with boring static combat and no reaction options are better? Huh?

>>712467621
Yes, I know I'm right.

The only good ending would be for the Dessandre family to kill themselves in the real world

>>712466124 (OP)
Both endings have their merit, and how you interpret them depends on who's point of view you're seeing them from. Verso's ending may seem like the correct choice/good ending, but at the end of the day, he's just selfishly genociding an entire living world because he doesn't want to live anymore... pretty gay

>>712470289
>because he doesn't want to live anymore... pretty gay
Because he doesn't want his sister to kill herself and finally out his soul to rest*
Actually pay attention to the exact moment he decides to just nuke everything.

>>712467621
>Escapism is bad,painting world fake
Unironically yes.
It's time to stop painting.

If someone came up to me right now and said "we're gonna set you up with an ultra realistic VR world and you can live a whole lifetime there as a god but you'll die in 5 years irl" i would take it.

>>712466124 (OP)

>>712470764
This kills the Maellefag

HOLY FUARK SHE IS SO STRONG!!!!

>>712466124 (OP)
The entire painter family needs to be locked up and prevented from touching paint ever again, they are complete psychopaths.

>>712466124 (OP)
GOOD MORNING EKPEDITION 44 IS GOD GAME I LOV MALLE SO MUCH!!1

>>712471229
What brownoid language are you playing in?

Why must i cry?

>>712471487
>Noooooooo the painters keep making false worlds this is LITERALLY GENOCIDE! IT'S A HITLER ALLEGORY SINCE HE WAS A PAINTER! THEY ARE NAZIS!
GCJ is that way.

>>712471726
That's spanish

>>712471735
Imagine seeing a guy have a mental breakdown with a paintbrush and instead of therapy he just casually unravels existence and people clap. Like bro, just log off the easel. Verso genocide speedrun percent.

>>712466371
>drawings have feelings
>being encapsulated in a dreamworld is good and not damaging to your well being

The only character I agreed with was Renoir, but even he fucked up miserably. Still, his fuck up is more forgiveable than Maelle's schizoid escapism which amounts to suicide, and its certainly more forgiveable than just giving up completely like Verso wants to do.

Renoir's take was, "Bitch, get off tiktok and go to sleep, lights out, you have final exams tomorrow, as your father eho cares about you I'm taking your phome away till you finish studying". WOW WHAT A MONSTER. SUPER VILLAIN DETECTED. HOLY SHIT THIS FATHER WHO LOVES HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTERS IS TRYING TO AWAY THE FUCKING HEROIN NEEDLE. OH NOOOOOOO.

>>712466124 (OP)
Please put the game title in the subject field so I can hide these threads, thanks

>>712472347
>just giving up completely like Verso wants to do.
He's not giving up for his own sake. He's giving up for the sake of Aline and Alicia.

>>712472469
lol what a faggot

>>712470764
Nice

>>712470764
I laughed.

>>712472541
Which disregards their choices and is really only what he wants. He lies so much he gaslit himself and lost his moral judgement a long time ago.

>>712473017
>everything he does until the and of act 2 is to send Aline home
>sides with Alicia AGAINST HIS SUPPOSED DEATH WISH in act three when he could just help Renoir
>only goes against her after seeing the mess Aline is and realizing Alicia is doing the same
Missing blatant writing so hard must take effort.

>>712470764

>>712472541
If Verso gave a fuck about Aline or Alicia he'd be helping Renoir, not trying to stop him. They both want the same thing according to you. But they don't actually. Renoir gives a shit, Verso doesn't amd he's lying both to himself amd everyone. He's using Aline and Alicia as an excuse, but deep down it's not even about them anyone. Maybe it was long ago. Now, he's just tired and wants to cease existing because he thinks he's at fault for everything.

>>712472541
What an asshole.

>>>/vg/

>>712473393
>barren
You mean your family that lives you picks you and takes you to your huge mansion where you don't even need to lift a finger and can focus on getting better?

>>712473393
Why do Maellefags constantly ignore the fact Renoir clearly cares for her?

>>712473401
But he actually helped Renoir until act 2 ended, he even took Alicia to the mansion with the curator.
Then he wanted to help Alicia because he felt she was truthful and wanted to save the canvas for good reasons. Except she didn't and that's why he fought her in the end.

>>712473587
>loves you
Renoir yes, but given how Aline and Clea treat her, it's more like they tolerate her. Clea barely respects her own mother. Verso was obviously the one Aline cared about the most, which is why she painted Verso in perfection, but kept Painted Alicia as a mute cripple.

Alicia post0Verso Ending would be a shut in whose mother still hater her and eventually be sold off to some noble as breeding stock once Renoir died.
>>712473667
He's not as bad as Aline, but he's still controlling. She's basically an adult and can make her own choices, especially considering she's had over thirty years of cumulative life experience. The ideal choice would be to respect her decision and check up on her to make sure she doesn't end up like Aline.

>>712473393
do maellefags know that even if she stays in there it wont be for long? not only its going to damage her IRL, her sister is going to take her out of it. she mentions that the world moves on and needs help vs the writers

>>712470764
This is the player playing E33, nothing you do matters.

>>712474348
>needs help vs the writers
Clea herself said that Alicia is a liability, because not only is she crippled but she's shit at painting compared to the rest of her family.

>>712473743
Things also changed for him when his mother came back. Proved Renoir right, it was hidden from her for all of like 5 minutes and she came right back despite the consequences. Then he see Alicia ready to do the exact same.

>>712466124 (OP)

>>712473401
>Now, he's just tired and wants to cease existing because he thinks he's at fault for everything.
So why doesn't he help Renoir in Act 3?

Plot hole: Verso can just kill himself without taking everyone else with him

>>712474692
During act 3 he believes Malicia can act with moderation. During the final confrontation he witnesses:
Aline returning to the canvas despite it being hidden (proving that she will never be safe from her addiction unless the canvas is destroyed)
And Maelle lying to Renoir about her intentions about staying in the canvas.

These two things are what cause him to change his mind and get Verso's soul to stop painting.

>>712474692
he makes the classic mistake of trusting a woman. Throughout the events of the Renoir fight Aline and Alicia both show themselves as completely incapable of being trusted with the canvas.

>>712473393
*you can also step back onto the tracks after the trolley has passed, but you're allowed to pretend you can't to justify getting run over

>>712475321
People SERIOUSLY miss how verso doesn't even speak during the whole fight until the
>I'm sorry
The guy is getting mindbroken by his family in real time.

>>712475203
What does this have to do with anything? You are saying he just wants to die and doesn't actually care about Alicia. Why help her instead of the dude who will give you your wish?

>>712474310
>controlling
Why?
A parent trying to stop their child from killing themselves is now controlling?

>>712475725
>You are saying he just wants to die and doesn't actually care about Alicia.
NTA, but you may be replying to the wrong post because it literally says the opposite.
Maelle not being crazy gives Verso hope that the painting can be saved, then she takes off the mask and reveals the crazy. Verso had no choice but to sacrifice himself to save the life of his sister again.
And its really fucking weird to sacrifice your life twice for the same person

>>712475630
People are just generally pretty stupid. Look at >>712475725

>>712475883
People who blame him for being controlling are either teenagers or people with terrible family lives.

>>712475883
Its even more reasonable than that
>Listen kid, I was an alcoholic when I met your mother and it nearly killed me.
>Look at her, she's literally dying of alcoholism right now.
>If you're going to drink, please please please please drink in moderation
Then Alicia commits hard to being an alcoholic out of spite and lies to her dad about it.

>>712475885
Read the reply chain.
>He's using Aline and Alicia as an excuse, but deep down it's not even about them anyone
>Now, he's just tired and wants to cease existing because he thinks he's at fault for everything.

>>712476195
Did you get a different version of the game where he stays with Renoir at the end of Act II and gets erased, letting Maelle/Lune/Sciel fight alone for Act III?

>>712476195
Throughout the entirety of act iii he fights for an end that would've resulted in his continued existence, right up until he sees it will destroy aline and alicia. So, you're simply very wrong.

>>712466124 (OP)
>get to work
>open door to company car
>look at the floor
>Toyota Pro Ace Verso
everywhere I fucking go man

>>712476463
>>712476365
Read the fucking reply chain, I beg you. These aren't my points.

>>712476183
This. This is why I side with Renoir instead of Maelle or Verso. In the end, he was right.

>>712473401
>If Verso gave a fuck about Aline or Alicia he'd be helping Renoir, not trying to stop him
He does so throught act II. When he reaches Aline in the monolith, he refuses to continue her delusion about her dead son (his original) and kicks her out of the canvas, as he and Renoir always intended. He doesn't do it out of spite. Reread that dialogue. He just wants his mother to see the truth.
>, Verso doesn't amd he's lying both to himself amd everyone. He's using Aline and Alicia as an excuse, but deep down it's not even about them anyone.
You understood Verso the wrong way. Verso is a character that submits himself to great pain for the sake of pleasing others (Camp scene, real Verso painting when he doesn't want to anymore), and putting up a mask (the theme of his axom - not just lies, but masks) for the same reason.
Given that we know for sure that he is willing to endure pain for the beneffit of others, his suicide cannot be simply because he doesn't want to endure pain anymore. He says that, but he lies constantly, why would you believe that when his actions point towards a deeper motivation?

He wants to end the canvas and himself with it so Aline and Alicia are free from grief and guilt. Not for himself.

>>712466213
Playing FFX I was always excited to progress and see the characters interact with each other, so much that I found it hard to put the game down. E33 is fun and well-made, but I had a really hard time caring for most of the characters and didn't feel as invested.
And no it's not because of nostalgia, I played FFX for the first time last year.

>>712478028
>that submits himself to great pain for the sake of pleasing others (
Forgot to mention, but also notice his original death was being burnt alive, which, in case you don't die quickly to asphyxiation, is one of the most painful ways to die there is, but he endured it for the beneffit of Alicia.

>Everyone is literally already dead by Act 3
>Alicia, the family's shittest painter, revives everyone, including Sciel's dead husband who wasn't even gommaged
>Lumiere is still a shithole, and it's implied that literally all the do is watch Verso slave away on the piano, while she slowly dies

>Their chroma is too old to resurrect them
>sorry, even the E33 members who died on the beach
>Trust me though, I brought back the real Sophie and Gustave *wink*
Are we sure Visages isn't Alicia's Axon?

>>712480143
>Eyyy it's the old pals mya, luna, and seal! I am your oldest friend Gooseman and I am enjoying the being alive! Time for piano time!

>>712480143
>gooncave
>wasting away while doing nothing
No, it's the reacher alright.

>>712478028
If you want to changr my mind about Verso, the best I will give you is my agreement when you said
>his actions point toward a deeper motivation

It might be a little of what I'm saying and also a little of what you are saying. What if he has more dimensionality than being a plot device with a black amd white motive? Maybe part of him, the part he steuggles with, does just want everything to end, and we only see that part of him fully revealed when you side with Maelle and hes fading away saying "I dont want this life". You can pull whatever mental gumnastics you want, but dont waste my time or yoir time trying to invent a deeper reason for him to say those words othen than being suicidal at that moment.

Verso is right

>>712472347
>IS TRYING TO AWAY THE FUCKING HEROIN NEEDLE
The funniest part about this retard allegory is that Alicia is basically fated to be a literal opioid addict for life. Burns like hers never stop hurting, and early 20th century medicine knew no painkillers that weren't opium-based.

>>712480815
>trying to invent a deeper reason for him to say those words othen than being suicidal at that moment.
A deeper reason like not wanting to see people suffering in the painting, his motivation for the entirety of act ii?

>>712481070
>alicia crumbling mentally before our eyes in her ending
>"We can't really be sure what's happening."
>alicia standing still in front of verso's grave, showing no signs of physical pain
>"As an expert 1900s medicine and burn scars, there is no possible interpretation except that she is in constant agony and will 100% end up a drug addict"

>>712480815
"I don't want this life" has layers of meaning, anon. It's not mental gymnastics when it's worded in such a specific way. It could have been
>I don't want life
>I don't want to live
>I want to die
etc
But it's specifically I don't want -this- life. What is particular to this life, the life of painted Verso? Being a copy of a man that the women in his family use to escape reality. Being constantly reminded that the women and sister he considers real (despite him being a painting, but with the memories of the real one) are really dying, in the real world, because of this.

>>712480378

>DUUDE, NPCs that can be created or recreated at any time by their gods (Painters) have MORE priority over the people in the real world who sustain their existence

Verso's ending is ontologically correct.

The upsides of Maelle ending
>V*rso suffers
>R*noir suffers
>It is more likely that writers will kill D*ssendre family and prevent them creating any more self-aware entities just to torture them
The downsides of Maelle ending
>???

So how is that a bad ending?

He's squall if he was french, i cant help myself. Dude is cool.

I love all the desperate Maellefags.

You can tell they regret their dumb decision. Media literacy at 0 for these redditors.

>>712481494
Maybe if you're a heartless golem

>>712466371
>Alicia's ending is...Verso gets to practice his hobby
And rotting away in the painting before the entire universe is destroyed by the Wriggers.
Quit the escapism, retard.

>>712481494
There is no reason to care about any of the "real" people though.

>>712481528
Haha wow that's so witty and funny!! upvoted!!!

>>712481846
There is. I see my mother in Aline (despite we knowing barely anything about her) and thus project myself onto Verso.

I'm saving you, mom.

>>712481070
Magical fantasy France, Anon.

>>712481307
'she'll suffer in the real world' has always been the shittiest reason to stay in the painting.
Painters spend a shitload of time in their paintings, she can just make a bunch of others and live most of the rest of her real life inside them
And yes Maellefags, constructively living your life in a bunch of other paintings is different than committing suicide in one

>>712481528
You don't get it, escapism is bad and she'll die after experiencing 60+ years or so of happiness with a family that's always loved her if she stays in there. She needs to grow up and experience 10+ years or so of debilitating agony before she dies of an infection or gets blown up by an artillery shell.

>>712470764
kek

>>712482128
Time is different inside paintings. She will experience hundreds of years of life as long as she's jumping around different canvas and not obssessed with this one.

>>712482128
This but unironically, sorry girl you gotta die in some trench when ww1 happens soon if the burns don't kill you

>>712481735
Writers seem to be the only positive force in the setting's real world that we know about.
After seeing just one painting, we observe
>Painters using their demiurge powers to create self-aware entities that can experience the reality for their own entertainment, and then throw them away
>To subject entities they created to suffering and despair for no reason other than their personal bullshit
>To just kill them off for personal convenience
Shitty, unworthy people with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, who for some reason have power of creator gods. Killing them is an act of objective good, and if anything, getting burned is a way too easy death for them after what they were doing.

>>712482128
Man, I didn't realize escapism was that good!
Go ahead daughter, kill yourself. I understand now

>>712482292
t. Writer

>>712482128
What's funny is that Alicia herself is irrelevant to the ending choice, because she's completely fucked either way.

>>712482292
Anon, a Wrigger is the reason we're having this stupid fucking debate. That alone is proof of their evil.

>>712476183
Maellechads, our response?

'ate dessandre's
'ate pa*nted people

but the lil nigga deservers some rest

>>712482292
>Writers seem to be the only positive force in the setting's real world that we know about
You know nothing about them except that they are at war with painters. For all you know, every time a writer writes a line, an entire sentient world exactly like their is born from that single line full of living beings, who are then destroyed if the paper gets as much as a wrinkle.

>>712482254
And how many years will it take her to become skilled enough to actually make those worlds? No matter what she does, anything she makes won't be able to replace the people she lost from Verso's canvas.

>>712466124 (OP)
Wait, I thought it was a meme. Some of you unironically think Maelle's ending is good?

>>712481656
do you cry when your Sims die?

>>712482128
IT IS NOT REAL
She is selfish drug addict, it's like you dying while playing some game while your family IRL is watching it.
>But mom, want to watch gacha girls asses all day

>>712482613
She doesn't need to be the painter. She can enter other people's canvas worlds and modify things inside these canvas to fit her taste.
She could easily repaint the people Aline was the author of, she will be fine.

>>712482613
>No matter what she does, anything she makes won't be able to replace the people she lost from Verso's canvas
Nigger, she literally replaces the people she lost in her own ending.

>>712482757
Yes

>>712482949
Show tits

>>712482592
>For all you know, every time a writer writes a line, an entire sentient world exactly like their is born from that single line full of living beings, who are then destroyed if the paper gets as much as a wrinkle.
Then the actual mortal feud vs people who do the same shit but with different art form doesn't seem to be motivated by anything. However, you can easily see it motivated by concerns related to abuse of power. It's basically like trying to kill people who make monkey torture videos. Perhaps those people aren't even actual writers but just name themselves like that for some reason.

>>712482847
I think she just ressed them, i don't think she can paint new people

>>712482613
>And how many years will it take her to become skilled enough to actually make those worlds?
VERSO MADE THIS CANVAS
AS A KID
WITH SCRAPS
AND HE DIDN'T EVEN LIKE PAINTING!

>>712482128
more like 5 years of watching verso play piano nightly before renoir yanks her out and spanks her

>>712483013
>However, you can easily see it motivated by concerns related to abuse of power
We can't actually see anything because they're not developed. I'm completly convinced that the enemy of the Painters being the Writers is just a gag, and people obssess over it. They just needed some other group to have been the cause for the fire instead of it being an accident.

>>712482613
the city is in ruins after she takes over. She can't even fix buildings, she's not bringing anyone back, even with Verso's canvas left to her.

>>712483180
The funny part is that they've also shown that painters in question fully deserve to be set on fire.

>>712483016
Ressing is painting. If she can ress strangers (people she doesn't lnow "the essence" of), she can create new people if she wishes.

>>712483323
Not really.

>>712483503
Only in a sense is that despite being one of the most painful ways to die, death by burning is still nothing compared to the amount of suffering that those people have inflicted on self-aware entities that can experience it, for basically no good reason.

>>712483013
The only thing I see is them fighting it out because of their different arts.
>writers 100% create fake worlds in their books
>unlike painters they have absolute say in how they work because they actually write the narrative
>literally blew up an innocent teenager

>>712483665
Are you a vegan?

>>712482292
We know nothing of the Writers, for all we know they're the exact same as the Painters abilities-wise. What's more likely is this is a Pratchett-esque Wizard War but taken completely seriously, meaning it's two factions of morally absent demigods with power beyond comprehension taking umbrage with each other.

>>712483754
>you eat muh meat
I don't torture living beings for hobby or over my personal problems.
Not to mention forcing beings that otherwise would have never existed to exist, just to torture them.

>>712483013
>Then the actual mortal feud vs people who do the same shit but with different art form doesn't seem to be motivated by anything.
People will go to war over fucking anything. Especially random wizards with the powers of creation at their fingertips! Yugoslavia fell apart because a war erupted over a man who shoved a fucking bottle up his own ass!

OH I FUCKING FINALLY UNDERSTAND IT NOW. THE ANNOYING ASS XIV FUCKERS GOT ATTACHED TO E33!!! THATS WHY THEY'RE SO EQUALLY ANNOYING

>>712483665
>Self-aware entities
Bro they create life by painting a picture, that doesn't make it genocide when that is inevitably destroyed. If every fart I had created sentienf life I'd still continue farting and wouldn't be a mass murderer

>>712484082
Inhabitants of the painting being self-aware and capable of experiencing the reality is an obligatory condition for the game's entire story to not be a shitpost.

>>712483914
>Not to mention forcing beings that otherwise would have never existed to exist, just to torture them.
If you've ever written anything or made OC in MS Paint you have explicitly done this. Every time you create something for fun you produce an infinite universe behind it that exists and suffers because of your creativity. Your hypocrisy will kill you.

>>712483914
Good decision to never have kids Anon.

>>712484235
>>712484207

>>712466213
FFX is a good game and E33 is not. Pretty simple

How did this midwit reddit story generate so much discussion amongst the biggest retards on /v/? Read a fucking book

>>712484292
Yeah, and your creations are self-aware too. Even moreso, they're not stuck in the canvas, they're transported around in your head rent-free, and when you stop thinking about them they die, and resurrect when you think about them again.

>verso explicitly states he doesn't want this life three times as he's grommaging.

if he was a woman people would be SHITTING themselves over consent.

>>712484448
Books suck

>>712484448
>Why are people on /v/ - video games discussing video games?

>>712484490
I'm an advocate for Verso, but let's be real, if he was a woman and Maelle was a man, people would say that Maelle is right to keep Verso alive, since Verso would be a retarded woman who doesn't know what she wants and thinks the only answer is to kill herself.

>>712484474
retard

>>712483914
>Not to mention forcing beings that otherwise would have never existed to exist, just to torture them.
Time to kill your parents then.

They should have just left Verso's painting alone, Aline ruined everything

>>712484792
so true xister

>>712484448
You can generate infinite discussion over even basic binary moral arguments by having the perpetrator and primary representative of the most scandalous answer in the argument be a cute young girl and the representative of the most pragmatic answer be an archetypically handsome man.

It causes a distinct cognitive dissonance because while the average person is capable of decently abstract thoughts, the average person doesn't exist and is a mathematical abstraction between above and below average people. Below average people are going to be so reliant on appearances to determine what is good or bad they're going pick the most pleasant appearance to them while denigrating the least pleasant appearance which will usually be conveniently the opposite, but they can't if the opposition is still conventionally attractive. So they're stuck trying to make logical arguments, which they can't because they're below average.

The below average people out-populate the above average people, who do actually try to argue one way or another based on the merits of either side, but they're stuck dealing with swarms of below average people who keep saying stupid and incorrect things because they themselves are stupid and incorrect but believe themselves to be smart and correct (At least three people reading this are making such an assumption about their opposition right now), while trying and failing to rely on personal appearance-based arguments and ignoring actual narrative cues - which compels the above average people to correct them.

This means the above average people are being perpetually subjected to Cunningham's Law because packs of below average people who are either attracted to the cute girl or handsome man make the most buffoonish points possible and compel reasonable people to play chess with pigeons who wanna shit on the board.

You can apply this to any situation by the way. Dubiously moral cute girls solved a Superpermutation algorithm (the Haruhi Problem).

>>712485656
It's not even my personal opinion. It's just how I think people would justify Verso being wrong if he was a woman.

>>712484448
Recommend me a book that's so good I will never play vidya again

>>712485748
>The below average people out-populate the above average people

>>712484448
I only like reading books on particular subjects, I don't like reading fiction anymore. Vydia is much better, they just have to step up in the story department like E33 did.

People don't understand this game's story, it's not about p-zombies and AI ethics, it's about how people who play JRPGs are cripples who will die alone.

everything in the Canvas isn't real.
Aline and Alicia need to move on. Renoir was doing the right thing for his family.

>>712485748
>by having the perpetrator and primary representative of the most scandalous answer in the argument be a cute young girl and the representative of the most pragmatic answer be an archetypically handsome man.
Dimitri and Edelgard..........

>>712485873

>>712486186
Sorry I don't think that's going to work for me because I am gay

>>712485946
A room with ten 80 IQ individuals and five 140 IQ individuals has an average IQ of 100. But if you initiated a conversation there, you would be more likely to talk to an 80 IQ individual than a 140 IQ individual. Or, in simple terms - the below average people out-populate the above average people.

>>712486328
Autism

>>712486390
Where do you think you are?

>>712486256
Give it a try.

I honestly cannot bring myself to believe it means anything that this world isn't "real." I tried, anons.

Either the beings living in it are sentient or they're good enough at pretending that I don't care, therefore it doesn't matter its a simulated reality.

>>712486328
In that room, but that's not how IQ works. The bell curve distribution has an equal portion above and below the median. I'm afraid you're a 100 iq person who thinks he's 120.

>>712470465
She’s not his sister, remember? Verso says this like a hundred times

>>712486723
>In that room
And on boards where people anonymously discuss video games for passive social engagement. I'm not pretending I'm smart, I'm just pointing out why this banal moral debate that's been had ten billion times in far more thoroughly-written media is so popular here and now.

>>712486390
You say that like autism isn’t the driving force behind every great work of theorycraft, timeline speculation, and third-stage lore extrapolation in this entire genre. If anything, post was underautistic. Let him cook.

>>712487107
Fair enough. For what it's worth, even in this shittiest-ever-era, I do believe 4chan's average intelligence is a bit higher than most other communities. But that's not a high bar.

Do you think the reason god hasn't come back yet is because he's up in heaven arguing with his angels on whether we're sentient enough to not be destroyed?