>forced to roll around like some dark souls character despite being a 7 foot tall superhuman tank
>weapons lack punch as most basic enemies require multiple shots to kill
>bolters have a fast rate of fire and low damage making them feel weak
>easily staggered and overwhelmed by basic grunts
>often on the defensive
>incentivized to run around and execute flashing enemies to get temporary invulnerability and armor
How do you fuck it up so bad? How would you fix it to deliver the space marine fantasy?

>>712504304 (OP)
i stopped playing around a month or two after launch, was tired of every patch massively changing the balance, did they ever settle down?

>>712504304 (OP)
Is it like that in operations? I have only ever played campaign on hardest and everything seemed fine to me.

>>712504487
Everything I said applies to campaign but it's probably even worse in operations

>>712504304 (OP)
It's almost as if the game was a massive piece of shit shilled by viral marketers and ecelebs in it's first week.

>>712504304 (OP)
I thought it was fun and don't recall having to roll at all to beat it on hard. Co-op was great with my wife. Would have loved if it was a LOT longer though since I have no interest in multiplayer. We really need a Tau or Necron FPS that is heavy on the lore and world building. Wife and I are painting a Tau and Necron army right now.

>>712505556
>beat it on hard. Co-op was great with my wife.
>life and I are painting a Tau and Necron
lucky, unless you're larping

>>712505739
>life
wife*

>>712505739
Nah. We got into the tabletop after the game at her request. I went Tau+Kroot and she went Necron. Almost done painting (already assembled and primed with our Iwata Eclipse airbrush) our 2K armies. Can't wait to play at the local game room.

>>712504304 (OP)
>>weapons lack punch as most basic enemies require multiple shots to kill
I fucking hate this shit, our gun is the size of the most common enemy in the game and its bullet presumably 1/8 of their torso. HOW THE FUCK IT DIDN'T KILL A GAUNT IN ONE SHOT?! WHY THE FUCK THE GAUNTS CAN DESTROY ME IN A FEW SLASH?!

They clearly balanced the game around three human players in operations and it makes you feel like wet tissue paper in all other cases.
It's incredible how much more fragile you feel than in the first game.

>>712504304 (OP)
Yes, I hope you realize the Tyranids were always a fucking threat and the Primaris Ultramarines are struggling with the 4th Tyrannic War.
This isn't supposed to be an easy fight.

>>712506336
This game would probably be more fun if you shredded through gaunts with ease and there way more of them. Also it should have a gore system like Doom or Left 4 Dead, so you see chunks blow off the enemies instead of just having them fall over and ragdoll.

>>712504304 (OP)
Have you tried not being bad?

>>712506787
i beat the game on a hard difficulty. I play all games on hard difficulties.

>>712506912
Great.
Now try Absolute difficulty on PvE, the REAL meat of the game.

>>712506997
Why would I do that? So I can have my issues with the game as outlined in the OP make themselves even clearer?

>>712506681
Exactly, I feel more powerful playing as fat ass black man in left 4 dead 2 than I am playing as walking tank in Warhammer. There's no way the gaunts bio rifle able to penetrate astartes armor in 4 shot in the lore. Co-op game should be a power fantasy especially when you are playing as a named space marine.

>>712507045
Because everything in your post is a result of you being bad at the game

>>712507494
No, it's a result of how the game was designed by its developers. Being "good" at parrying and rolling around like a dark souls character doesn't change the fact that it fails to deliver on the space marine power fantasy. Unpaid shill faggot.

>>712507494
>Because everything in your post is a result of you being bad at the game
He's right >>712507045 know.

>>712507678
You literally don't have to roll at all. You only do it because you don't know how to play

>>712507775
>t. gaslighting tranny
Here's your space marine fantasy bro.
https://youtu.be/w_lnjxObrwY?t=769

Don't -ACK yourself after this one.

>>712507989
>soloing a coop game
next you're going to complain that you can't play because you cut off your hands

>>712508039
>the game is le good and you suck, ackshully
>it totally delivers a space marine fantasy
>NOOO THIS GAMEPLAY OF HIM PARRYING AND SIDESTEPPING HALF THE TIME DOESNT PROVE ANYTHING
>BECAUSE IT'S LE SOLO!!!
literal tranny holy shit

>>712508329
What are you even complaining about lmao. That you have to avoid taking damage? How fucking stupid are you?

>>712504304 (OP)
Does the 4th Tyrranic War have anything nearly as kino as The Devastation of Baal?
>more than 50 chapters assembled in the defense
>8 chapters completely wiped out
>6-12 reduced to less than a single company
>not a single chapter survived without at least 50% casulties
>battle is so fucked and brutal that Khorne sends one of his most powerful Daemons to lead a war host to fight on the side of the Blood Angels and their successors

>>712508405
The point is that the game's shitty souls/DOOM mechanics don't make you feel like a space marine. Are you stupid or what? Read the OP, tranny.

If eternal crusade resurrection had eldar i wouldn't

>>712508610
The point is you're retarded and bad, and you're just having a melty about it

>>712504304 (OP)
>How would you fix it to deliver the space marine fantasy?
The Dominion of Fire

>>712508764
Baseless "argument" as you haven't seen me play the game. You have no arguments beyond baseless conjecture and you haven't refuted a single point in the OP, all of which are objectively true. The game's design is shit and fails to deliver the space marine fantasy. Cope some more.

>>712504304 (OP)
>How would you fix it to deliver the space marine fantasy?
Decrease tyranid health increase their numbers, add a gore system
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS6tr-ABddM

>>712508871
>he thinks we're arguing
I'm just here to call a retard a retard

>>712508610
>don't make you feel like a space marine
you play as a fast, brutal, efficient warrior who wades through hordes of aliens who gib normal humans by looking at them funny, if you fuck up you die almost instantly (on harder difficulty anyway)

what the fuck else is a space marine supposed to "feel like"

>>712508920
You were, but you have given up. Ack yourself now
>>712508930
Except that's not how it works. You spend most of the game on the defensive, parrying, sidestepping, your weapons lack punch and take too long to kill things. Here's what Space Marines are really like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVXEYksoE6c

>>712509098
No, you're just bad and retarded

>>712509160
>if I keep saying it, it'll be true
>and my game won't be dogshit
Here's your space marine fantasy bro: https://youtu.be/yUkpc82vtzk?t=669

>>712508039
>soloing
As we all know, space marines are helpless and weak and have to constantly dodgeroll away from guants unless their emotional support coop partners are there with them.

>>712506336
Get headshots, retard.

>>712509229
Have you considered not being bad and/or retarded? I feel it would help

>712509296
>I'm going to keep saying the same thing over and over until you get tired and quit
literal sick tranny

>>712509245
If you're rolling away from gaunts, that's entirely a (You) problem

>>712509342
But have you tried it

>If you're rolling away from gaunts, that's entirely a (You) problem
unpaid tranny shill award

>>712509404
It is quite literally a skill issue, my retarded friend. Consider not being bad at video games

>>712509401
have you tried getting your penis back?

>>712509348
Tell the devs to not put a roll button in then.

Actually while you're at it, tell them to make it more fun and also not having weird graphics options. They need a lot of advice from the both of us.

>>712504304 (OP)
Have they fixed the cheaters in pvp yet

>712509462
>I am le good at a poorly designed video game
nobody asked, tranny

>apparently the most frequent enemy of humans in this giant, sprawling across the cosmos IP with tons of cool aliens and demons are humans
Immediately lost all interest in this garbage. I'm so glad I put zero time into 40k.

>>712509474
I'll give you the graphics stuff. But you quite literally don't need to roll. This is like complaining about punching yourself in the face because it is technically an option

Eh it's not as bad as space hulk where basic shit tyranigs rip your terminator armor to shreds

>>712509532
Works on my machine

>>712509547
>arguing again after thinking there is any hope for they/them
You 100% need to roll in this game. 8 foot tall superhumans wearing something that weighs as much as a tank, rolling around like dark souls characters.

What would you do in this situation, our resident, highly skilled tranny?
https://youtu.be/yUkpc82vtzk?t=670

>>712509662
There was literally no reason for that person to roll. You can just sidestep through the waves and parry everything else

>>712509662
assault is dead weight. bulwark and vanguard are heal bots. the ranged classes actually do something

>>712509763
>sidestep all over the place like an idiot
nice space marine fantasy there, maam. That's definitely how I envision space marines clearing shit up
https://youtu.be/La07q38YxEc?t=175

>SPEESH MAHRINES face tank everything like retards
Do they really? is it written in the codex astartes?

>>712509547
>put in a roll button
>actually don't press it
>it's there but don't press it
So why;d they put in a trap button you shouldn't press? To make people look silly when their space marines started doing circus tumbles?

>>712509830
These are just literal humans lmao. You can do this same thing with heretic guardsmen in the game. Goddamn you're retarded

>>712509098
>Here's what Space Marines are really like
against poorly equipped cultist arms gangs on a small ship, not tyranids

>>712509905
The roll mechanic is sort of like how they/them once had a penis, but decided it had no use and decided to get rid of it. The tranny's mind works in mysterious ways.
>>712509938
>>712510058
Not even true because the heretic guardsmen in the game do not attack you in melee. Did the HRT fry your brain? If they DID swarm you like the video, you would 100% be sidestepping and parrying, just like the shitty combat against tyranids. And you know it, disingenuous tranny.
>gaunts are le super tough aliens!!
Actual retards.

>>712510138
I am once again asking you to not be gay, retarded, and bad at games

>>712510206
>once again ran out of arguments
I assume this is the part where you begin pretending that you were never arguing? Sort of like how you also pretend that you were born with a vagina?

>>712504304 (OP)
The weapons are one of my big gripes with this game
Melta weapons have been balanced to be excellent crowd control tools but perform poorly against bosses and heavily armored targets, which is the exact opposite of what a melta should be
And like you said bolters have too many weak variants that contribute nothing to the game

>>712510251
It's a free country, you can be gay and retarded if you want. Just don't make it everyone else's problem

>>712510309
>It's a free country, you can be gay
You'd know better than anyone, tranny

>>712510365
I'm not the one who wants to fellate a Space Marine

>>712510435
Evidently you do, considering the effort with which you defend this mediocre and poorly-designed game.

>>712510138
But they didn't get rid of the roll button.

So, space marine 2 is like a tranny, with a dick. Interesting spin you're put on it.

>>712510513
Just because you're bad at it doesn't make it poorly designed

>>712510138
hormagaunts regularly slaughter marines in melee, you wouldn't be making assertions without knowing nothing about 40k would you? that would just be embarrassing

>>712510574
>side step / roll when a red circle pops up
>press a button when an enemy lunges at you to get a blue circle
>press a button when the blue circle pops up
>press another button when an enemy is flashing red to become invincible
The game is poorly designed. Sort of like your neo-vagina, tranny.
>>712510593
>regularly
Warriors and genestealers are the equivalent of a space marine, not gaunts. Gaunts are swarm fodder, about the size of a regular human. A literal lying, clueless tranny, which I guess is the audience for this game.

>>712510872
Gaunts are swarm fodder in this game too, unless you're literally so bad that you get killed by them. That's actually embarrassing

>>712504304 (OP)
>Weapons lack punch as most basic enemies require multiple shots to kill
This is only true if you're using grey weapons on max difficulty
Everything else is a skill issue.
>>712508486
That was Ka'Bandha, and that bastard has a massive ancestral grudge for blood angels due to being mogged by Sanguinious.

>>712508486
>>battle is so fucked and brutal that Khorne sends one of his most powerful Daemons to lead a war host to fight on the side of the Blood Angels and their successors
I'm pretty sure the daemon send itself to finish off the blood angels legion as a whole before tyrannid can.

>>712510872
M8, gaunts are tiger sized bug dinosaurs genetically engineered for combat, they may be chaff for the nids themselves but they can and regularly do fuck up even space marines

>>712511152
>Be so fucking assmad at Sanguinius you save his sons from certain doom
>Just so you can kill them yourself
Literally rent free holy shit

>>712509272
Having to headshot an enemy 1/4 of your character size is just stupid design.

This nigga dyin to GAUNTS

>>712511152
>using grey weapons on max difficulty
Yeah, haven't these people read the books? cumbuttus was chewed out by dicktastus in "anals of the emperor" for using a mere green rarity bolter with only armor pierce and stagger+ perks.

>>712511369
He didn't even kill them himself by the way, he saved them and then left.

>>712511369
Yeah basically. He stacked all the nid skulls into the eight-pointed symbol of Khorne as a warning and "you're welcome".
>>712511457
It's a video game.

>>712504304 (OP)
yeah, this is why i dropped it half way, its crap that a tyranid warrior needs 1 magazine to kill, it feels like you have a basic guardsmen lascanon and the shots sound weak and bad to.

>>712511206
Ka'Bandha manifests on one of Baal's moons where all the Imperial forces have already been killed and solely kills Tyranids before fucking off.

>>712504304 (OP)
>easily staggered and overwhelmed by basic grunts
this is so ridiculously wrong you just have to be absolute dogshit at this game

>>712504304 (OP)
I think it's tricky to have a difficult game and also a power fantasy at the same time.

>>712509437
Just shoot it 15 times in the head, bro.

>>712511895
It's a tyrannid warrior. They're the Nids' equivalent of an elite from Halo. It would be insulting if they weren't somewhat hard to deal with, since they in canon regularly go toe to toe with marines.

>>712504304 (OP)
>easily staggered and overwhelmed by basic grunts
Everything else stems from this. I can forgive any other gripe. Getting perma-stunlocked by fucking gaunts just killed any immersion and fun.

>>712512181
How are you so fucking braindead that you get stunlocked by gaunts? I genuinely don't understand how someone can be so utterly retarded

THESE NIGGAS DYIN TO GAUNTS

>>712510950
>Gaunts are swarm fodder in this game too
Except they take too long to kill and regularly swarm you, forcing you to begin side-stepping, parrying, or chasing glowing enemies to gain invulnerability
>>712511338
>tiger sized
No they're not, retard. They're man-sized. They're objectively fodder. Warriors and genestealers are the equivalent of space marines.
>>712511691
>the shots sound weak and bad to.
Absolutely. Combined with the lack of a good gore system, the weapons lack punch due to mediocre sound design.
>>712512084
lorelet trying to twist lore to justify his game's shitty design and balancing. Where in the lore does it take 20 headshots from a bolter to kill a warrior? Play the Astartes mod
>>712512181
gaslighting to this post arrived like clockwork
>>712512296
You absolutely do get stun-locked by gaunts until you parry or sidestep/roll. The whole game has you on the defensive, it's shit.

>>712512587
Have you never used a heavy attack in your life or what

DYING. TO GAUNTS. THIS IS WHO'S COMPLAINING ABOUT THE GAME. LITERALLY DYING TO THE WEAKEST ENEMIES

>>712508892
Honestly just use the same engine to make a modern Space Hulk game and add the classes people actually want

>>712512674
I beat the single player on a high difficulty. Are you retarded?
>>712512840
>trolling tranime poster

>>712512923
You literally died to hormogaunts lmao

>>712512984
You literally defend a shitty, poorly designed game with zero original ideas or innovation, just following trends
>side step / roll when a red circle pops up
>press a button when an enemy lunges at you to get a blue circle
>press a button when the blue circle pops up
>press another button when an enemy is flashing red to become invincible
kys tranny. You are not skilled. I have platinum on Bloodborne btw.

>>712513104
You died to gaunts lmaooooooo

>>712512587
See pic related. Also, it's hilarious seeing you call me a lorelet when Astartes bolters kinda suck against armor, it's the whole reason vengeance rounds were developed during the heresy, and considering the fucking fact that the nid warrior is the equivalent to and astartes I think it's safe to say yeah they're pretty tanky. Because you regularly have to use roughly 10-20 rounds of bolter rounds to take out a marine in other multiplayer games where you fight astartes (eg, Eternal Crusade, Space Marine 1, and Space Marine 2) disproves you further.

>>712504304 (OP)
Honestly just use the same engine to make a modern Space Hulk game and add the co-op experience and classes people actually want

>>712512084
One lore thing I hate about tyranids is that lasguns aren't lethal against any of the lower level nids without volleys. A regular bolter is fine, despite the fact that the guardsman is firing condensed plasma at light speed. I don't think there was ever a need for that, simply death by numbers and swarm tactics is enough. In fairness though, a lot of the enemies of 40k are broken, but it's weird how the lasgun is both strong and inept at the same time

>>712513131
>i lost and have no arguments so I will resort to trolling
>>712513215
>my game isn't dogshit, you're just bad
>akshully, the lore totally states that you totally need to shoot a warrior 20 times in the head with a bolter round to kill them
>tanky enemies that take forever to kill is ackshully good game design and gives me the space marine power fantasy
I beat every game on hard. I beat Space Marine 2 on hard and have barely touched it since. Currently playing Dishonored on the hardest difficulty and doing a no kills run. I am better at video games than you are. You have to accept these facts, just like you have to accept the fact that your vagina isn't real, and that you are merely a mutilated freak.

>>712513463
My brother in christ you died to hormagaunts. How embarrassing

>>712513215
>multiplayer balancing disproves you
>because it takes 20 shots to kill a player in MP, it should have to take forever to kill an enemy when you're playing a campaign solo
so this is the power of /v/ brains....

>>712513535
>I lost and have no arguments so I will resort to trolling

>>712513602
Lost what? You died to the literal weakest enemies in the game, the starting cannon fodder. There is no reason to take you seriously

>interacting with a namefag baiter
really is rebbit now

>>712513646
And you have no penis, troll, and post anime. What makes you think you should be taken seriously?

>>712512084
Then make it a mini boss and not put in 5-10 of them in every wave.

>>712513708
I didn't die to hormagaunts lmao

>>712513758
I don't die to them neither. So what's your point? Where's your evidence that I die to them? Was it made up, like your belief that your vagina is real?

>>712513538
>because it takes 20 shots to kill a player in MP, it should have to take forever to kill an enemy when you're playing a campaign solo
If the enemy is an elite that is supposed to mirror you in terms of power level, then yes.
>I beat every game on hard. I beat Space Marine 2 on hard and have barely touched it since. Currently playing Dishonored on the hardest difficulty and doing a no kills run. I am better at video games than you are. You have to accept these facts, just like you have to accept the fact that your vagina isn't real, and that you are merely a mutilated freak.
Not much of an achievement, oh look I ALSO DID too and unlike you I restarted the entire level if I failed the condition ON TOP OF THAT I even fucking did with only blink, once again git gud.

>>712513804
Okay Mr. "the basic enemies stunlock me because I'm bad"

>>712513757
One thing I should mention it's not as smart as you are nor as well trained. I think the elite comparison from Halo is a good comparison, both in terms of difficulty and theming.

>dying to gaunts
imagine

>>712513823
>I will now flex about my game achievements
Dishonored is just one game. I play and beat every game on hard. Nobody gives a fuck. You are low IQ and argue that MP balancing somehow justifies shitty balancing in SP, as if killing a player should be equivalent to killing a random enemy. Do you have shit for brains?
>>712513853
Their whole job is to stunlock you and swarm you, it's what they're designed to do. Quit trying to portray yourself as some badass whom they have no impact on. Disgusting tranny

>>712513976
Yeah, if your bad lmao

>>712513934
>You get killed by gaunts because... because I say so, okay?

>>712513418
>the guardsman is firing condensed plasma at light speed
That is not what a lasgun does. It fires a beam of photons, and not even in a particularly high EM band considering the beam is red and not blue. Las weaponry not being effective against Nids per individual shot is on point.

>>712514031
They were obviously a big enough deal to complain about. How embarrassing

>>712511694
He almost manifest on ba'al itself before mephiston single handedly told him to fuck off and close the portal. The moon is just him redirecting his rage at mephiston denial toward the nids

>712514020
>in the grimdark future of the 41st millenium, there is only side-step spamming
https://youtu.be/b-x9L6bkKhU?t=409
whole thread is just gaslighting trannies, makes any rational man sick.
>712514095
where's your proof that i get killed by gaunts, tranny? Find a single post where I state that they kill me.

>>712514073
Oh fuck, I thought it was plasma. Can the imperium not start producing quality weapons for guardsmen?
>It takes a while to cover trillions upon trillions
Can't they slow roll them out?

>>712506336
Just modern shooter game design, 'the primary weapon of the game MUST be rapid-fire'

>>712513976
>I will now flex about my game achievements
>Dishonored is just one game. I play and beat every game on hard. Nobody gives a fuck. You are low IQ and argue that MP balancing somehow justifies shitty balancing in SP, as if killing a player should be equivalent to killing a random enemy. Do you have shit for brains?
Let me quote you: "Currently playing Dishonored on the hardest difficulty and doing a no kills run. I am better at video games than you are. You have to accept these facts, just like you have to accept the fact that your vagina isn't real, and that you are merely a mutilated freak.". I think this constitutes trying to flex game achievements. I just backed my bragging with actual proof. Once again, git gud.

>>712514221
you died from gaunts lmao

>>712514236
No. Actual plasma weaponry produced by the Imperium is regularly unreliable and the gun is prone to exploding when containment fails. Their production capabilities have been whittled down over the millennia to the point they were beginning to lose the use of the technology they had. That was all before the Primaris deal and GW started having their tech improve again, so who knows, IG units might go back to using equipment that the Solar Auxilia got to have, like proper void suits and volkite weaponry.

>>712514265
1. I do not need to git gud because I play all games on hard, and I am not interested in getting into some achievement screenshot-flexing charade with you, tranny.
2. You are not "gud" for suffering through a shitty, poorly-designed, mediocre video game like Space Marine 2.
>>712514273
Back to trolling after getting your mutilated neo-vagina BTFO? Where's your proof that I get killed by gaunts?

imagine dying to the weakest enemies in the game. Couldn't be me

>>712514519
You're just mad I mogged the fuck out of you by actually backing my bragging.

>>712514660
> mogged the fuck out of you
Didn't you say that Dishonored was easy? You are literally a fucking brainlet. I mean you also argued that an enemy should be an annoying bullet sponge because "MP players take 20 shots to kill." So you have eternally demonstrated that you are dumb as a rock at this point.
>>712514598
you can't imagine dying to the weakest enemy, but you CAN imagine spending your entire day trolling on 4chan while having a mutilated penis

Was it closer to the space marine feel?

>>712514845
Fuck no, this is the gayest baby game shit I've ever seen

>>712514845
doomguy is very mobile so not really, but maybe yes. Also doom eternal has all sorts of platforming bullshit.

>>712514764
you died to gaunts. you are objectively bad at games

>>712514236
>Can the imperium not start producing quality weapons for guardsmen?
Essentially, no. The reasons are stupid but are consistent with the lore.
>Year 15,000: AdMech and Imperium create AI. AI slaves do all the stuff. From 15,000 to 25,000 shit is cash. Technology is awesome. Golden Age.
>Year 25,000: Oh no. Things are bad. The AI engages in a galaxy-scale war to destroy humanity. Also psykers start showing up. And xenos. Then the Warp explodes. Shit is fucked. Humanity is splintered and fractured and end up in Mad-Max but like, SciFi. All that sweet tech is lost, destroyed, or forgotten.
>Year 30,000: Emperor shows up. Says "Hey, watch out for that technology. It'll get ya". Proceeds to use that very technology to re-conquer the galaxy. Then the Horus Heresy happens and humanity is once again plunged into galactic conflict. Shit's fucked again. Shit stays fucked for 10,000 years.
>Year 40,000: The AdMech (creepy tech boys on Mars) have now had 15,000 years of straight out religious indoctrination about the dangers of "New" technology. They're only allowed to make stuff which has been made before. So a Plasmagun can only be built according to really specific rules, even if those rules suck, or are half missing, or intentionally sabotaged, or you don't have the right parts. So Plasmaguns explode sometimes. Technology has totally stagnated in terms of development. It's a cargo-cult.
>Occasionally someone finds some old instructions (called STCs) for something wicked, and then there's a war fought over it, and then a few hundred years later the Priesthood of Mars decides it's okay to start manufacturing it cause it's passed the 200 year sniff-test. So really infrequently you get a slightly better Plasmagun.

>this thread

>>712514764
Didn't you say that Dishonored was easy? You are literally a fucking brainlet. I mean you also argued that an enemy should be an annoying bullet sponge because "MP players take 20 shots to kill." So you have eternally demonstrated that you are dumb as a rock at this point.
No, I didn't. I was responding to the previous (failed) bragging attempt by claiming to beat Space Marine 2 on hard. I accidentally put a comma instead of a period, which was my bad. To you're second claim, I'm saying that tyrannid warriors are meant to be your equal/mirror on the battlefield, and so I was reasoning that they take a similar amount of punishment as a player in multiplayer is accurate. I previously claimed they're supposed to be on par with elites from Halo in terms of enemy design. Once again, I will reiterate GIT GUD.

>>712515136
Killing myself, I forgot to add the silly quote arrow.

>>712515065
according to what proof?
>>712515136
>No, I didn't.
>>712513823
>Not much of an achievement,
a liar and low IQ.
>I was reasoning that they take a similar amount of punishment as a player in multiplayer is accurate.
This reasoning is because you have shit for brains. Why should an enemy you constantly run into take as much punishment as an actual player in multiplayer?
>on par with elites from Halo
I don't know much about Halo but warriors are literally mindless bugs and part of a hivemind, they're not independently-thinking, trained supersoldiers with decades if not centuries (or even millenia in the case of some chaos space marines) of combat experience. I will reiterate that you're dumb as a rock.

>>712515285
hey put your name back on, I had your obnoxious ass filtered for a reason

>>712515285
>Space marine
t4 w2 sv3+, gun is a2 s4 ap-1, melee is a4 s4 ap-1
>Warrior
t5 w3 sv4+, gun is a3 s5 ap-1, melee is a5 s5 ap-1

>>712504304 (OP)
>How do you fuck it up so bad?
What the fuck are you talking about? It's sold 7million copies in 9 months.
That's an insane amount of people who have bought and played the game.

so some game journalist tier scrub is complaining about dying to literal grunts and instead of calling him a fag and mocking him you fucks are agreeing with him? i think it's time i left this site behind

>>712515285
Read the spoiler retard.
>literally mindless bugs and part of a hivemind, they're not independently-thinking, trained supersoldiers
Outed yourself here. They're direct synaptic connections to the hivemind that lesser tyrannids use as a synaptic connection to it. That's why in gameplay, whenever you kill one, there is a psychic feedback on the gaunts surrounding the slain warrior. Which is not only a thing in lore but also in gameplay in Space Marine 2 and on the tabletop.
>>712515562
Thank you, anon, I was pulling those up until I saw that you posted them already.

>>712512587
M8, look at the size of a gaunt model and compared it to a guardsman. Tiger sized is an apt description of them, if anything it is lowballing their size

>>712515708
Pretty accurate.

>>712504304 (OP)
Yeah this game spawned a lot of fanfare but when I finally tried it I thought, 'Hey actually this kind of sucks.' Tricky fanboys got me again.

>namefag is a faggot retard
Every time.

>>712515073
>>712514425
This makes my head hurt. It makes sense but over 10,000 years literally NOBODY thought to improve the weapons against enemies that shrug off what is essentially small arms fire to them or that there aren't a series of data vaults anywhere in the Imperium that people can grab or the fact that necrons/tau weapons aren't translated to human production is kinda insane

>>712515603
I'm just watching him make an ass of himself

>>712515837
>10,000 years literally NOBODY thought to improve the weapons
Mixture of superstition and the lasgun doing its job well enough.

>>712515562
>tabletop and lore is the same thing
>the game must be just like tabletop
So is the game supposed to be balanced around tabletop, or how long it takes to kill a player space marine in multiplayer? Wow, /v/ really has been taken over by retards. Or was it always this way?
>>712515665
>They're direct synaptic connections
They're mindless, because they have no autonomy. Are you fucking dense? I suppose you can relate to them in that sense.
>>712515574
>idiots by shitty games hyped up by streamers screeching about how the game is uper based, masculine, and DEI-free
wow, you don't say?
>>712515708
And a space marine is way bigger. Warriors are the equivalent of space marines. What's your argument?
>>712515883
You are defending a mediocre, poorly-designed video game with zero original ideas or innovation. It has glory kills from DOOM, side-stepping and rolls from Bloodborne/dark souls. It's trash.

>>712515837
Xenotech is heresy, anon. The foundational belief of the biggest technological group in the Imperium is that every good idea has already been thought, so the most we can do is scrounge up what those old thinkers had laying around.

>>712515972
>You are defending
I'm literally not making any argument at all. I'm just watching you. Go on.

>>712515972
you died to hormagaunts lmao

>>712515837
>NOBODY thought to improve the weapons
Yes, cause that'd be Tech Heresy and you'd get flayed alive.
>there aren't a series of data vaults anywhere in the Imperium
Oh those exist. They're usually found on ancient worlds in far flung corners of the galaxy. Protected by AI or other nasties, or just hard to reach. That's assuming that the data you retrieve is even worth anything. It might be an STC for a particularly good shovel. Or the STC might have been corrupted somehow so it makes bad/dodgy/evil versions of whatever the template is.

>>712509404
Only trannies make unprovoked tranny accusations like yours. You are trying to deflect suspicion and accusation from yourself. Do you think you will be lynched if you get found out?

>>712515285
>but warriors are literally mindless bugs
No they aren't. Tyranid Warriors are basically mini hive tyrants. They aren't mindless, they are capable of combat tactics, planning and strategy, and they direct gaunts around them. There is a reason why they are synapse creatures. They are conduits of the Hive Mind's will and effectively a type of front line sergeants & elite heavy infantry for the Nids. And invidual tyranids do not need centuries of combat experience when the hivemind just retains the experience of each dead nid and newer generations of nids just take on those lessons.

>>712515972
>They're direct synaptic connections
>They're mindless, because they have no autonomy. Are you fucking dense? I suppose you can relate to them in that sense.
Do you have reading comprehension? They're DIRECT SYNAPTIC CONNECTIONS. You know what that means, right??? The hivemind is DIRECTLY controlling them and the gaunts. through the warrior. If you think tyrannids are mindless, then I think you MIGHT fundamentally misunderstand them as a faction.

>>712515837
The Cult Mechanicus does not approve of innovation or reinvention, the basic operating principles of science (observation, experimentation) are basically considered heretical to them, and they have a mandate over all technology in the Imperium. According to them, knowledge comes from the Machine God, the Omnissiah is his prophet and anything more than hunting down STC prinouts is LE BAD. Most of the time, they don't even know how their own tech works, they scrub down the plasma coil because that's what the canticles of scrubbing the plasma coil tells them to do, not because scrubbing the plasma coils down removes carbon build up and keeps the coil from exploding.

Some of the tech priests, like Cawl, dabble in the heretical art of figuring shit out through research, but he's a skittering techno millipede who is just barely on the right side of the tech heresy scale, and often on the wrong side of it in secret.

whoops accidentally took my name off, by the way did I mention I crave penis?

>>712516149
Not to mention that entire Dark Mechanicus thing whereby exactly what the AdMech fear keeps fucking happening (shoving demons into engines).

>>712515972
Oh you're a shitcunt getting his depressed jollies away by being just that, well crack on lad. Steep away in your miserable pit.

God, I sucked over 100 dicks today

>>712516237
On the way to the parking lot?

>>712516139
>>712516145
So should it take 10 headshots to kill them because of MP balancing, their lore, or the tabletop? Make up your mind to justify bad gameplay design, pissbrains.

https://youtu.be/QRd1EvajoF8?t=311
>here's your space marine fantasy bro

Now that I think of it, it was more closer to 1000

>>712516215
The Dark Mechanicus literally can't do anything except shove daemons into things because actual science depends on phenomena and physical laws being stable, and the warp doesn't like being stable. Their biotech is quite good, but it's always some horrific flesh horror and never anything functional.

>>712516237
>>712516276
>>712516320
I didn't realize this mid game had so many severely mentally-ill fanboys and trannies obsessed with its shitty design. Gonna head out now, make sure not to rope yourselves before I return.

>>712516298
So should it take 10 headshots to kill them because of MP balancing, their lore, or the tabletop?
All of the above.

The gaunts are so hard to deal with because I keep thinking about sucking cock

>>712515972
>And a space marine is way bigger. Warriors are the equivalent of space marines. What's your argument?
My argument is that gaunts are perfectly capable of killing space marines. They do it in the lore, and they can do it in the tabletop as well. They are a legitimate threat to even space marines and the game does reflect it decently well. If anything it nerfs the gaunts to make the game more playable, especially by having so few termagants in it. Lore accurate gameplay would have just as many if not more termagants constantly shooting at you as there are hormagaunts trying to swarm you. Plus swarms of gargoyles flying around you taking shots at you from air.

Tyranids are no joke in the tabletop or lore. They can easily mess up marines even with their most basic troops. Being a superhuman soldier with power armor does not help if you are swarmed by hordes of tiger sized genetically engineered predatory warrior creatures designed to feel zero hesitation, fear or self preservation instincts.

>>712516362
>gonna head out now
no you're not, you're gonna stay here and read every reply. and then you're going to fuck your "wife" (hand) and cry yourself to sleep.

>this thread

>>712516298
firewarrior was a shitty game but it at least got bolters right.

>>712516237
>>712515972
Why are you admitting you're a gay porn star?

>marinebabs suddenly realizing that outside of bolterwank BLslop entire chapters regularly eat shit against xenos in regular campaigns much less apocalyptic battles

>>712516362
The fuck did >>712516276 do?

>>712516480
No, WE'RE a gay porn star

>>712516453

>>712504304 (OP)
Make the space Marines hyper mobile and instead of having like some stupid circle thing flashing light for perfectly timed parries or dodges, just allow the player to move, if you want to parry an attack you should have to aim your weapon then out manuever your opponent like an actual duel.

Have a dedicated cover system for ranged attacks instead of nothing at all.

Squads of 3 is kinda lame should be more like 5. Give people more benefits from grouping consistently with the same group of people.

No cross platform gameplay unless you enable, ie if I dont want to play with console people for Operations then i should have that as an option.

Bosses should have weakpoints like say focusing on the leg of the Hive Tyrant should limit its mobility or atttacking its arms should limit its offensive capabilities, have a dismemberment system like deadspace.

Power Swords and stuff like that should be like light sabers and just cut through enemies like nothing.

>>712516493
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfyUSB_UJJU

YOU'RE A FUCKING NIGGER ALEX

is he ever going to come back?

ALEX IS A NIGGER

The game jumped the shark when they nerfed the grenade launcher.

At that point there's no point playing any further.

>>712516608
you're goddamn right

ALEX THE NIGGER

>>712516298
>Here are all the reasons you are wrong and retarded.
>WELL, WHICH ONE IS IT HUH, THE FACT THAT I WAS DROPPED ON MY HEAD, OR WHY MY MOMMY DRANK WHILE SHE WAS PREGNANT, OR THE FACT I'M MISSING A FEW CHROMOSOMES
You act like they are all mutually exclusive. When in reality they all form one larger whole to prove you're a fucking retard and should git gud. Much like the tyrannids themselves should have listened to those gaunts telling you kindly to git gud, instead of making an ass out of yourself on a /v/ thread.

>>712516493
Marines getting curb stomped by xenos is the true good old days of 40k.

>>712516716
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08cmC0eX554
This channel's actually pretty neat

>>712514236
Massed autoguns would be more effective against a Tyranid charge due to the bullets having mass that in enough volume WILL cause something to slow down just by basic physics, but the problem with that is moving all the ammunition.

I'd like to see the Nids or Orkz try to overwhelm a factory world absolutely loaded with heavy stubbers just to see what happens.

>>712516573
Glad my funny reference made you smirk.

>>712516662
No, he is dead, has been since m36

>>712516662
According to the Priest Militant who tried to convince Guilliman that the Emperor is a God.
The Emperor is waking up.
>Theoretical; The Emperor is a God
>Practical; The Emperor is a God
He did after all revive and possess Guilliman when he fought Mortarion.

Please don't ever admit that you died to hormagaunts.

>Get your Primarch back
>Get most your fallen brothers redeemed
>Still not getting any major role in the setting
Bravo Worse Angels

>>712516898
I'm still pissed there has been no reunion as of yet between the surviving Primarchs.

>>712516786
Lasguns are the weapon of choice cause they're versatile and simple.
>Few moving parts.
>Ammo/Batteries can be charged via solar, or even tossed on an fire if necessary.
>Can crank up the power to actually punch right through armour, but at the cost of higher ammo consumption.
>Can crank down the power to nearly less-than-lethal for effective training simulation.
>Can train a conscript on their use in a matter of days.
>Variable platform all follow the same principles, from the LasPistol to the Lasgun to the Hotshot, to the Longlas, to the Autolas, to the LasCannon

>>712516662
Yes, in Warhammer 50k: Age of Neoth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDok9M5Euk4
This has 100% happened somewhere since Necrons turn eccentric in weird ways

>>712516759
Back when marines were just slightly stronger than IG.
Lore-creep means they're now 3x stronger and tougher.
Although that does depend on the writer. Sometimes it's one marine cutting through 100 orks, and other times ork boyz and marines are roughly 1:1.

>>712517097
I know, I'm just saying that the laws of physics put more oomph behind a wall of autoguns vs a wall of lasguns.

>>712504524
Nah, in Campaign even on hardest difficulty you should just be able to walk through everything. I think you might just be shit at the game

>>712517239
You have to supply ammo to autoguns, and at the scales IG operate at, that's generally a bad idea

>>712516347
>but it's always some horrific flesh horror and never anything functional
Oh wow. You're gonna say that? Right infront of my Daemonculaba?

>>712517234
It's not 3x, it's between 10x and 20x compared to an IG.
Space Marines
>are able to run for days keeping a speed of 30+ mph
>are able to lift several hundred kilogram of weight
>are pretty much impossible to poison, drown or exhaust
>are able to judge a situation in the literal blink of an eye
>and able to react in the time it takes your eyelid to travel back up into the rest position

>>712517380
We're supposed to try to forget those things exist

>>712517390
>It's not 3x, it's between 10x and 20x compared to an IG
See what I mean? Lore-creep.

>>712517314
I know that dingus, that's why I said I wanted to see an invasion on a world with short supply lines.

>>712517505
They'll just get more bodies with lasguns.

>>712517445
I'll be honest, without the Primarchs I don't think I would be interested in Warhammer. I've been reading the Horus Heresy and the interaction between the Primarchs and the interactions between the different legions, the characters, the personalities is what really gets me interested. Gaviel Loken is a great man.
Anyway, my point being when I'm reading these books I do get confused how the Legions with their numbers in the tens to hundreds of thousands struggle sometimes to take a planet or system when in WH40K times you can have a handful of Space Marines take over a planet.

>>712517765
GW is notoriously awful with numbers, like where the 17 year long siege of Vraks only had 20 million casualties (1/3rd of WWII's)

>>712517765
Yeah, it's just GW letting the writer of the day ride it out.
You're expected to headcannon it however you want.
I think GW said something along the lines of:
>Everything is canon, not everything is true.

>>712504304 (OP)
>easily staggered and overwhelmed by basic grunts
An average space marine in the tabletop can literally die to a small group of hormogaunts. In the books, countless new recruits die to the most basic shit the Eldar, Nids, Orks or Tau throw at them. You secondary niggers need to fuck off with this idea that Astartes are some unkillable gods. After all the augmentations and years of mental conditioning, most of them are barely on par with the least worst the galaxy has to offer. This is especially considering the context of the insane bullshit that the Operations squads pull off, like three of them killing a Hive Tyrant. Even with the thing injured, that's something beyond the scope of the average battle brother.

>Uh all enemies should die in 1 hit and I should be invincible
Every complaint I've ever seen about this game summed up. Pure shitter babble.

>>712515837
>the imperium has bad weapons because orks don't die in one hit
Who told you this?

>>712516401
It's not lore or tabletop. You literally have 3 random space marines taking out hive tyrants and Titus is OP as hell. If I want a more tabletop experience, I will play Dawn of War Unification.
>>712516493
>xenofags want you to think that bolters are peashooters and space marines fold like wet tissues against basic enemies like gaunts
>because muh tabletop o algo
>>712516620
>>712516669
Mock me all you want, it won't make your game less shitty.
https://youtu.be/QRd1EvajoF8?t=309
>here's your authentic space marine experience bro
>>712518369
>all enemies should die in 1 hit
Yes, if they're swarm trash. Left 4 Dead 2 has enemies that mostly die in 1 shot and it's still fun and challenging and has 5 times as many players as Space Marine 2 despite being 14 years older. It also has more satisfying gunplay because of its damage system, whereas this game just has the enemies either ragdoll or explode on death.
>Pure shitter babble.
Mostly coming from the shitters who play and defend this braindead slop.

>>712519743
>namefagging
Didn't read

I just play on easy difficulty and steamroll like a marine should

>>712504304 (OP)
>>forced to roll around like some dark souls character despite being a 7 foot tall superhuman tank
You are ignoring that you fight against mega mutants that are raping whole planets

>muh space marine fantasy!!
Just put the difficulty on easy you numbskull

>>712504304 (OP)
>using literally any gun other than the bolt rifle
I am BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOMing and loving the blood splatters with every shot

Hormagaunts should stagger when shot with bolter rounds, but take two or three hits to kill.

>>712504304 (OP)
The worst thing that pisses me off is that while in the first game every action took a press, now in this shit every action is a button hold for a few seconds.
Fuck this gay shit, it disrupts so much fast action.

>>712521076
That's the thing, anybody who argues space marines walk over shit like the Tyranids have no real interest in 40K. Half the reason the Nids among all other factions have a relentless amount of war trophies given to successful marines who kill any amount of them is that fighting them is considered utter suicide. Tyranids are considered to be the largest non-Chaos threat, even to the Necrons. Because the Tyranids actively consume the very thing Necrons need to revert back to their biological forms.

Tyranids have organic armor harder than diamond, space marines regularly get wrecked by 'nids as they are the most OP faction lore wise in 40k

>>712516381
Im in the same boat

>>712517765
I can’t imagine going through all of the Horus heresy. Books entirely made by one author, not being shoulder to shoulder with the others to be on the same page I know would piss me off to no end about portrayals of the same character.

>>712521852
>muh lore
Somehow I doubt space marines are side-stepping and rolling all over the place, spamming parries, or going 1v1 and winning against carnifexes in lore.

>>712523024
So do you want to kill everything in 1-2 shots or not? Because now you're bitching you can kill Carnifexes. Stupid fucking namefag.

>>712523024
>Somehow I doubt space marines are side-stepping and rolling all over the place, spamming parries
literally capable of running at 30mph in full armor and have insane reflexes to the point their arms move without thought, their duels with equally footed foes are borderline anime.

FYI this is a bait engagement thread. This same shit happened with Armored Core 6 for weeks. Basically the OP will post contrived negatives, people respond and call the OP a retard. The moment the thread gets down to page 8-10, the OP will respond to bump the thread back up to page 1. Very sad to be honest.

>>712523664
Well they should do it when the horde mode actually comes out instead of way before

>>712523664
both space marine games are genuine trash though, AC6 was a good game

>>712523518
go play Left 4 Dead 2 (an actually good game) and get back to me. My point about the carnifexes is that this is a video game that clearly has a power fantasy thing going on to some extent
>>712523664
>so traumatized by those threads that he can still recall them

Everytime i see a complaint about this game, it's turns out to be some redditor shitter whose ego is too fragile to just lower the difficulty. They'll cope and pretend that their complaint has to do with lore accuracy but in reality they just don't want hard modes to be hard. Shitters always have an excuse and they never try to improve or adapt.

notice how this game was just flavour of the month that people moved on from?
it doesnt have the impact that the first game did when it came to 40k

>>712525476
The game is literally averages 5K players on weekdays and 10K on weekends, and that's only Steam. That's far above average for a co-op title like this, and it's only barely behind Darktide during the same windows.

>>712525310
>Space marine 2 is perfect
No.

it's so masculine, guys

>>712504304 (OP)

>>712526640
Keep your name on, Alex.

>>712512372
>>712512840
>>712513535
>>712513934
>>712516620
Is this what sunken cost does to ppl?

>>712527490
Better usage of time than spending hours on an anonymous image board, crying about a game that's too difficult for you.

>>712525763
>see nobody talking about it outside of this thread
its not a game made for 40k fans, its a game made for nu-40k fans like >>712526640

>>712527579
Alex, it's really obvious you're still posting.

>>712527575
>coping like this
When do you -ack yourself?

>>712527892
>no (you)
Is this Alex in the room with us now? tranny 2.0 btfo. I'm on a roll.

According to the latest lore, the T'au are planning to launch an invasion on Ultramar.
How fucked are the Ultras?

>>712528129
>Smurfies ever losing

is the astartes overhaul mod good?

>>712528303
From a customization standpoint? Yes, to the point the devs realized how badly they fucked up and are now going to take all the Champion skins and piece meal them into functional parts for your regular marines. From a gameplay standpoint? Pure child-tier feature bloat.

>>712528303
>weapons punch harder
>enemies do more damage but are easier to kill
>more enemy waves
yes it's certified space marine kino

>>712528462
>OP is a shill for a mod that turns the game into baby mode
lol
lmao
not beating the shitter allegations

>>712504304 (OP)
It's a zigger game, what else did you expect? The player counts were botted, the game was a flop.

>>712528543
Nobody cares about you playing a dogshit, poorly designed vanilla game. I'm here to have fun and mow down waves of tyranids with bolter fire. Since you're a /v/tard, I assume you know nothing about that. Faggot.

>>712528704
>I want easy mode but I'm too ashamed to put the game into easy mode, so instead I'll play mental gymnastics with a mod that does the exact same thing

>>712528704
>>712528739
take a room already

>>712528739
did you miss the part where the mod makes enemies hit harder? I also only played it once, and beat the campaign on hard on vanilla.
>>712527923
Low IQ tard. Neck yourself.

>>712508486
Also
>CHADbriel Seth forces GW to silence him after revealing his power level by saying Primaris are, in fact, severely cringe

>>712528845
>did you miss the part where the mod makes enemies hit harder?
you mean like absolute where the enemies can kill you in 2-3 hits? of course a shitter would claim the mod that allows 12+ people to play together and kill majoris enemies in 1-2 hits would claim this is somehow harder.

>>712505556
This guy has won at life

>>712528957
>implying I play with others
>implying I played it more than once
you're boasting about playing a poorly designed, mediocre video game on vanilla to try and act like tryhard. Nobody gives a fuck about you, neither here or IRL. I play games for fun. If I find Astartes more fun, that's what I will play, tranny.

>>712504304 (OP)
Game's incredibly fun, you're just a faggot, OP.

>>712528853
It makes perfect sense when you read the name: GuilliMAN.

>>712529101
God you are desperate for attention. If you're not a woman, you're a certified bottom.

>>712504304 (OP)
Have you tried not being shit at video games?

>>712508610
you are a fucking idiot holy shit

>>712509404
>tripfag
>basedbooru

unironically kill yourself nigger

>>712529583

is it just me or are the grognard primary fans of wh40k on 4chan all gone? 1d4chan is dead, the /tg/ threads have completely changed, did all of them die or something? Did they move on?

>>712530089
>did they move on
the internet is nearly dead. It's just bots, trolls, and shills everywhere now. They probably migrated to smaller private communities.

>>712530089
moved to /hhg/ and /wfg/
GW doesnt want the grognard fans anymore, they served their purpose