is there a mod that fixes this issue for elden ring? I'm not trying to have another "slop slop slop soulslop fromslop" bait thread but I really wish someone modded elden ring to make it more in-line with dark souls 1 and demon's souls combat/bosses. (even though I know it won't bring back the exploration and good level design)
>just play ds1 then
I'm playing it right now as I wait for the counter to go down faggot

You should make one

>>712504878 (OP)
>is there a mod that fixes this issue for elden ring?
Make a better build and use ashes of war. Most combat is still the same rocket tag levels as back in ds1.

>>712504878 (OP)
What exactly do you want faggot? Want to do more damage? Go get the giant blood leg from the DLC and put your stats into strength and arcane. You can 3 shot any boss.

Your build is terrible, fix it. Elden Ring is extremely easy as long as you choose the right build.

>>712504878 (OP)
Get good

>>712504878 (OP)
>play flanderized: the game
>complain bart is too yellow
retard sister...

>>712504878 (OP)
lemme guess you exclusively use sword and board standard infusion no ashes, spirits, items, and just spam r1 and never stance break

>>712504978
>>712505003
>>712505053
oh for the love of
I knew I would get these exact replies
I don't want to use fucking buffs and charms or shit like that, I just want the old simplistic combat and bosses back
>>712505153
pretty much, I finished both dark souls 1 and 2 with just thrust swords and elite knight armor

>>712505268
>pretty much, I finished both dark souls 1 and 2 with just thrust swords and elite knight armor
every time
OPs a retard go home everyone

>>712505268
>erm...don't give me solutions I want the game to be easier without thinking!
Kill yourself, queen.

>>712505358
can you tell me what exactly I did wrong here
>you aren't supposed to larp as a knight because ummmm uhhh you're an elitist or something

>>712505268
>I don't want to use -gameplay-
>I want to go back to -gameplay
Get good

>>712505416
see >>712505153

why did I even bother making this thread
fuck it, this is now a dark souls 1 discussion thread

>>712505528
>this is now a dark souls 1 discussion thread
How do I not quit the game after seeth?

>>712505268
Retard I just told you to get a specific weapon and put your points into 2 specific stats. Where is the buff? Where are the charms? Just uninstall go Fortnite

>>712505613
be a man

>>712504878 (OP)
Yeah, it's an ingame mechanic called Greatsword. You can find it in caelid and when you hit things with it they die.

No there is not a mod that changes the entire design philosophy of the elden ring bosses you fucking retard

>>712505268
>I don't want to use fucking buffs and charms or shit like that, I just want the old simplistic combat and bosses back
Every ds had rings and buffs. Queelign's Greatsword from the DLC is pretty much dedicated to thrusting sword knight builds or bloody helice in the base game, farm a brass shield of gear for a great one and you can play like the old games.

honest question, why can't you discuss this game on this board?
if you criticize its obvious flaws you get called
>someone from a tranny anti elden ring discord cult
>nintendo soiboy
>someone who doesn't know how to play (even if you have played all 3 ds games + des)
>faggot
>tranny
>etc etc etc
just how many resident schizos are there in elden ring threads?

>>712505931
will try. thanks.
>>712505910
you are exactly kind of poster >>712506072
is talking about

>>712506072
Because the game was picked apart so much it became easy and looking back at ds1 just gets people bitching about the unfinished mess of the 2nd half or more honestly everything after the valley of drakes or the depths.
This is why Dark souls 2 will always be the best.

>>712504878 (OP)
You're one of these fraud nerd Dark Souls fanboys, huh? As a game, Elden Ring destroys Dark Souls in every way, every way. Play more quality Japanese games to get used to game design existing so that you don't get fixated in what Dark Souls fanboys that are not gamers are fixated on. git gud. All default builds do good damage except maybe caveman.

>>712506072
>>712506149
Get good, roll forward

>>712506395
>try to criticize elden ring
>accidentally attract the dark souls 2 schizo
oh for fuck's sake
and FYI, second half wasn't unfinished. just one small area, lost izalith. you are parroting youtuber opinions.
>>712506470
shut the fuck up faggot

>>712504878 (OP)
I skimmed the thread and saw that you were flustered with the replies
they were somewhat expected based on the comparison
if something does that to you in ER, its an open world game, just go somewhere else and get stronger, I did redmanes flame / hoarfrost stomp 1 run, and comet azure the NG+, and swapped to just using fth wep arts NG+2, bloody bloodfiends arm the dlc
etc
if you hit a wall you can either do something else or power up

>>712504878 (OP)
Upgrade your weapons, you dumb sack of shit. Use buffs and talismans.

>>712504878 (OP)
This isn't a real problem. Your build just likely sucks ass. Actually try to augment your weapons and interface with the game's mechanics so that you can do acceptable damage.

>>712506626
Eventually you'll hit a soft cap
Margot might go down easy, but you won't have much room to advance when you get to the half-way or late game, so his problem would still persist
People saying "use X weapon instead" are also making a bad argument, since you shouldn't be pigeon-holed into using dual greatsword jump heavy attacks if you want a fight that isn't 7 minutes long

>>712506520
>second half wasn't unfinished. just one small area, lost izalith
Even Anor londo is full of sterile ass hallways and knight.jpgs standing around doing nothing, at least it contains the game's last good boss. Castle drangleic may have much worse bosses aside from LGK, but it has magnitudes more exploration and intractability.

>>712504878 (OP)
Use big bonking weapons or OP shits like Death Poker.

>>712504878 (OP)
ER enemy health pools are insanely bloated

There isn't cause fromslop fanboys can't comprehend the idea that their weapon upgrade system implies that every weapon should be viable. In fact, the only excuse for this upgrade's system existence is to allow every weapon to be viable. Just another case of Fromsoftware changing what wasn't broken and failing twice.

>>712506826
>7 minutes
Get good

>>712506826
>use X weapon instead
The thing with elden ring is that everything short of actual dogshit (like most torches) is viable with upgrades and the right talismans, so all that matters is what defensive option you're best at using.

>>712506784
I don't understand how they even manage it. I have the exact opposite problem when I play Elden Ring, it's too easy to shit out enormous damage on any build. I limit myself to only upgrading weapons when I have the respective bell bearings and a +12 weapon still destroys Morgott in seconds and a +18 annihilates all the endgame content.

>>712507163
Are you saying Timmy beating stuff to death with his beast repellant torch is the reason From balloons hp and halves enemy defenses?

>>712505268
Based. /v/ is full of retarded plebs like the idiots replying to you.

>>712504878 (OP)
This is an unironic skill issue my man
>m-muh buffs and charms or whatever
bitch get two heavy weapons put your points in vig and str, power stance and jump attack GG game solved. Why are the people on this board so fucking shit at video games?

>>712505268
>>712505416
>just want the old simplistic combat
>you aren't supposed to larp as a knight because ummmm
A Knight would know to do more than mash attack to swing sword left swing sword right. If you want that depth of combat maybe Breath of the Wild is more up your alley.
Use the ashes of war. Even Square Off helps a ton.

>>712507475
It's not a good defense of the game for everyone to tell you to do the same 2 GS/GH weapon build

>>712507674
I'm telling him that because he's whining about not wanting to interface with the various mechanics of the game (what do you mean I have to actually use the stuff the game gives me to win at the game?!?!) so I gave him the caveman option.

Elden Ring practically trips over itself handing you overpowered tools to chunk boss HP like salsa and we still get contrarian faggots like OP making these threads.

>>712504878 (OP)
The bosses in ER are balanced around stance breaking/status effects and roll catches
You fuckers would get rolled by fucking Vindictus raid bosses bunch of fucking shitters I swear

>>712506072
>its obvious flaw
That's why. You're not interested in discussion, you just want an echo chamber to repeat your same nitpicks and have everyone agree with you so you can pretend you're the general consensus.

Why are you so afraid of discussing the game with people who disagree with your opinions?

>>712506826
>use X weapon instead
nigga, I didnt say use "X weapon"
if one weapon art doesn't work, he is literally free to try another
or change weapons or even change builds because its a fucking open world game and on NG(ignoring DLC) only elden beast would pose a challenge if he is the shittiest of shitters
if you die 5x in a fight its a you issue, and you can either change strategies or wipe X hours until you get it

unless you are a bow/flail/knife/torch main the game is pretty much beatable
use heavy attack
use jump attack
use shield
use guard counter
learn to posit yourself

>>712508064
we are never talking "beateable" when we complain about ER, we are talking FUN. Seeing chunks go down in HP is FUN

>swing your weapon 5 times and it dies
>>>>boss

>>712508323
makes sense considering you need to roll 30 times for each hit. Heavy weapons sucked so much on release

>>712508213
>we are never talking "beateable" when we complain about ER, we are talking FUN.
You can access Aow/status effects with pretty much all weapons ehhh
except for some bosses like fire giant the op pic was never a thing

>>712508064
>unless you are a bow/flail/knife/torch main the game is pretty much beatable
Flail and knife are downright good while bow got the bone bow, misbegotten bow, and black bow work with enough autism. Beast-Repellent Torch, ghost flame, and sleep torch also all work.

>>712508323
Correction: Land giant hunt 5 times

>>712507674
So don't. My current run switches between just a straight sword and a morning star depending on the situation. I put a bunch of points into dex that neither weapon benefits from because it's a faith build otherwise. There's a couple points thrown into arc so I could use some dragon and bloodflame incants also doing nothing for my weapons. The stats are all over the place and the weapons are tiny and underupgraded and the damage is still fucked up. You don't need a perfect optimized Youtube build or to stack every single buff in the game before engaging, you just need the common sense to combine things that complement each other.

>>712504878 (OP)
I feel kind of dirty using ashes because they often get the boss's entire attention while I cheaply attack him from behind, but so many bosses are just doing an endless amount of things at once with no breathing room, it's what I most dread replaying this game.

>>712508535
>you need to roll 30 times for each hit.
skill issue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKtAZPm1yw4

>>712508741
>rolling through the attacks
NOOOO NOOOO I SHOULD BE ABLE TO BLOCK EVERYTHING WITH MY MEDIUM SHIELD

>>712508829
>I SHOULD BE ABLE TO BLOCK EVERYTHING WITH MY MEDIUM SHIELD
They buffed shields to do just that

>>712508562
wdym just upgrading your weapon to the max possible was easy and then you took exactly this amount of damage from even O&S without ever touching the damage stats. And trying to proc status effects just lowers your already pathetic damage even more in ER.

>>712505268
Hey retard, why are you still making threads to complain about your inadequacy? Fun fact - I’m currently doing a mace and small shield run of Elden Ring, which is basically the same as your knight aspirations, and it’s been a breeze.

just stack buffs before boss fights
this is literally why you play through the game, to acquire them

>>712508874
I actually personally find shields so useful in these games, I focus a lot on leveling up endurance, timing my blocks and only dodging when I feel confident that I won't miss, I've never liked parrying because it only works with very specific enemies and bosses and I don't feel like guessing

>>712508819
who cares about a person perfecting the fight? We are talking normal gameplay here. Any game can be perfected, even the complete dogshit like Hydlyde 64, there's a GDQ speedrun. Doesn't make it less dogshit to normally play.

>>712509137
buff stacking is never explained in game so you have to visit cancer wikis. And it's just retarded period, genuenly worse than runbacks were

>>712509007
My point is that Elden Ring bosses are not just HP sponges unless you restrict yourself from 99% of the game's mechanics >>712508819
And no beating the main bosses in 6 hits shouldn't be the norm

>>712509137
I haven't bothered with buffs since power within

just get good and parry, it's literally that simple

>>712509254
>getting

>>712504878 (OP)
Souls game are just a derivative from Monster Hunter so I don't know why niggas are surprised that bosses take 30 years to kill and the games are a rolling simulator.

>>712508819
>Knight
>Jumps around like a wuxia character.
>You plod around unless you roll like sanic

>>712509391
people aren't restricting themselves, they are not bothering with them cause they are boring and lame and nobody asked for them

>>712509720
yes, and?

>>712509753
ah yes everything is boring and lame except for my trusty roll button and light attack button

>>712509753
>i'm not shitting my pants, I'm experiencing an anal evacuation in my undergarments

>>712509686
monster hunter has yet to make a non positioning based fight with frame traps. Aka artificial ass difficulty. With exception of Frontier, that is just DS3. In MH you die slower, so it's fine that boss dies slow too. DeS and DS1 understood that it wouldn't work with fast time to kill. In ER time to die is even faster, yet the bosses are slower. Hell, even in Nioh you eat chunks of HP

>>712509753
>people
>they
>them
>nobody
bro you are in the minority

>>712509881
ah yeah buffing for half a hour and going around gathering grass and scrolling through shitty inventory to try out every ash cause there's no demonstation screen is so much more fun than combat

>>712509686
The hardest bosses will take no longer than 5 minutes.

>>712509916
>Monster Hunter has yet to have artificial difficulty

You just didn't play the older ones

If 9 out of 10 people can beat it and enjoy the game and you're the only one, it is still the game's fault?

>>712505268
>I just want the old simplistic combat and bosses back
the game is already as simple as it gets

>>712510018
nobody said that
just spamming heavy/jump attacks already broke the game since the bosses keep getting stance broken

>>712510018
You do realize using hyperbole only makes you sound like that much more of a whinging woman
>BWAAAAAAH BUFFING TAKES LIKE A MILLION YEEEEEARS THAT FUCKING SUUUUUCKS THIS INVENTORY IS THE WOOOORST I DON'T WANNA TRY OUT MY ASHES JUST TELL ME WHAT THEY DOOOOOO

>>712505528
that firekeeper is going back to giving you a blowjob under the table after she is done with her food. trully a ravenous soul.

>>712510094
this buggy ass can still be just kited and killed fine with all weapons, i did the trainer challenge quests with this guy in FU. He is ASS, but not AS ass. And they learned from it and fixed it, instead of doubling down

>>712507874
>repeat your same nitpicks
ER's dogshit damage (both to player and enemies) is not a nitpick
It's From feeling like each game needs to be harder than the last, and running out of ideas.
This is also why ER is filled with unintuitive pauses and speed changes in enemy attacks.

DaSIII and its DLC was already approaching the upper limit of what Souls difficulty could reasonably be. In trying to exceed it, ER crossed that limit and the system buckled as a result.
Which didn't even need to happen, they could have expanded on the newly-added jump as a critical element of combat, rather than an "avoid this specific attack" button for a handful of enemies.
Instead they just made it all fucked up and slapped a bandage on it in the form of spirit ashes.

>>712504878 (OP)
In Elden Ring you deal so much damage the massive health bars don't even matter

>>712510261
sorry i didn't count how long it takes, i'm not youtube autist who counted how long all the "you got a moon" animation in Mario Odyssey take. I died like 30 times to Freudahn, so that would make 30 minutes wasted on buffing before each try. I think that's a lot.

>>712510018
Most ashes are dependent on the weapon's base AR, then scaling. You can intuit which ash scales best, dependent on what initial infusion it goes with. Moreover, most of them are in their own little sections or outright color coded. The only time it gets tricky is lightning, as lightning infusion scales dex, but lightning aow is faith based. Most of the time, fire is faith, magic is int, purple is physical, etc.

Unless you're one of those LAWDAMERCY I GOTS TO RESEARCH N SHIET niggers.

>>712509916
A huge part of it is a result of the games exploding in popularity.
The games get a normie audience and I explicitly remember this same audience complaining about the difficulty and the "unfairness" in dark souls.
As even the normies begin to adapt they have to increase the difficulty and/or time one way or another in order to keep upping that ante or anyone that beat dark souls is just gonna cruise through it because it's gonna be the same shit over and over and the games gained that popularity in big part because of that difficulty.
It sounds obvious but it's a very hard thing to achieve, not only you gotta balance the normie and the actual vidya player but you also have to add in the seasoned autist that has been playing religiously since demon souls and the guy that has never played a roll sloppa in his life.
And ultimately development is a give and take, is your team really gonna dedicate thousands of man hours into this that could've gone somewhere more noticeable?

>>712504878 (OP)
Just use status effects.
You don't even need to alter your build, just infuse your weapons with Cold or Blood and play as usual.
Elden Ring does have huge HP bars, but this is balanced out by having lots of ways to increase player damage, but that requires a bit of extra game knowledge.
But with status it's just a matter if choosing the right infusion and even at level 1 you'll deal good damage against bosses.

>>712510719
the game gained popularity not because of the difficulty. It was because there was actual loose condition. You HAD TO interact with enemies instead of just stunlocking them. You HAD TO dodge attacks instead of tanking and regenning HP. Doing either was not difficult. Last Zeldas got the point and implented it exactly like that. If they were actually difficult they wouldn't have gained popularity.

>>712504878 (OP)
I know what you mean. The old games were simple hack and slash. I guess they saw how much the fans liked Artorias because he was so anime-ish that they decided to full anime. Bloodborne was the last true souls game where all you had was your skills and your simple attacks. Now it’s all “this weapon does 500 hits” or “this weapon makes you do 40 flips” and other anime crap.

the only thing I've found to be kinda terrible in ER is dual wielding daggers. daggers fuckin SUCK unless you're mashing an OP weapon art like on the blackblade.
They're great in nightreign though, mostly due to the addition of stuff like successive attacks negate damage.

>>712504878 (OP)
skill issue

>>712511421
Not solely, but partially.
>If they were actually difficult they wouldn't have gained popularity.

I think you either were not there or somehow ignore this at the time, these games gained a huge growing following because "omg dude this game is so bullshit and hardcore" and then they stayed for the rest.

>>712509391
on the other hand they're hp sponges unless you restrict yourself to using two max great weapons

>>712512071
yeah because the rest of the games were cover shooters with constantly regaining hp you didn't need to dodge in. It's like saying soup is hardcore compared to coke cause you need to use spoon. It was nowhere close in difficulty to DMC, Bayo, any fucking NES game etc. Fucking Ninja Gaiden. The fact that people THOUGHT they were hardcore doesn't change their objective design.

>>712509916
>make a non positioning based fight
they did in rice and milds
>frame traps
they aren't artificial difficulty

>>712512284
They absolutely were and are hard for your average normie which is now the deciding bigger piece of the pie.
You can't bring up downright frustrating bullshit like Ninja Gaiden or GnG, these games are not gonna be played by these normies that are gonna be buying souls games.


In fact in this same topic Ghost n Goblins resurrection got atrocious scores and reviews for most people just for being abhorrent bullshit just like the original, while a lot of the people that enjoy the original loved it me included.


People adapting to a game does and will always affect development to ways you can't even imagine.

>>712512705
>they did in rice and milds
naw they didn't, there's still as much tracking as there always was on zinogre slams. What they did change is that monsters turn faster since gen4. But you can still roll out of arkveld flips fin, never forced to i-frame, evading hitboxes is enough.
>Frametraps
In a game i expect to be predictive based is BS. And DS was sold on being good cause it's predictive based.

>>712512741
>They absolutely were and are hard for your average normie which is now the deciding bigger piece of the pie.

That normie is playing GOW4 n shit that are DS1 level of difficulty now

>>712513086
Anon Elden Ring sold 30 million units, it eclipsed those same GOW games you're talking about.
That normie is your average souls player now.

>>712513193
>Elden Ring sold 30 million units
Coop + system exclusivity muddy the water. BotW and TotK are too DS1 difficulty tho.

>>712513193
Normies aren't playing Demons Souls or Dark Souls. They are making threads complaining that the games suck.

>>712504878 (OP)
The reason for the health bloat is because stance breaking is a mechanic, as is bleed.

DeS did not have stance break and bleed was weaker.
They fully expect player to get in stance break crits to deal significant damage for Elden Ring fights.

>>712505416
>>712505268
You can get through Elden Ring just fine with a standard rank and phile knight build with no fancey magic damage or anime nuke Ashes.

However you're a complete fucking moron if you don't take advantage of newer mechanics like stance breaking.

For fucks sake anon, your basic bitch clay mores have Square Off which gives excellent poise breaking and isn't an over the top anime attack.

Learn to play, Elden Ring evolves from but pocking to forcing an opening on a boss.

Game should be beatable with longsword+X and no armor, with a medium level of skill, and minimal time investment. DeS was, Das1 was, DaS 2 was, BB was, but Elden Ring isn't. No matter how much you cope, Elden Ring does not fulfill this criteria. Some sweat can do it with infinite hours no shit, and any retard can beat it with the minmaxed AI abusing, status abusing, DLC weapon abusing build, but that only highlights the flaws of the game. This dogshit boss arms race that started with DaS 3 needed to fucking end then and there. if I wanted to play Ninja Gaiden or Nioh, I'd play Ninja Gaiden or Nioh. Either give me Sekiro movement/defensive options, or fuck off and make the bosses normal again.

>>712504878 (OP)
The thing is that there are too many stackable buffs, so the boss HP is balanced around you using these buffs. I may use 1 weapon buff and one body/aura buff and that's it, because spending 30 seconds drinking/casting 10 different buffs is boring and gay. But you can delete bosses by stacking all shit available.

>>712513978
stance breaking is bad for anything but two giant weapons. And even then, the damage done during stance break is pathetic. Like, it literally does damage of two r1s, what's the point? Also someone very dumb decide stance should heal itself

bleed this, stance that, ash of war etc - guys you would really love genshin impact, it's totally about the same thing - normal attacks doing nothing

>>712507475
Counter point to that image.

>>712514663
Incorrect. Lighter weapons get their stance break more from WA's than heavy weapons though.

>>712515182
yeah, and how do you do if you can't stand still long enough to use an AOW? When you need to jump boss attacks like so many people suggest? Every system in this game gets broken by every other system i swear

>>712515237
You learn the fight and get good at timing it like every boss in souls game history.
People like you probably couldn't even do Yhorme the Giant, who's entire gimmick is only taking damage from a long wind up WA while he aggressively flails a machete at you.

>>712514946
Stance is a result of normal attacks.

>>712504878 (OP)
Instal Wemod and increase your damage multiplier.

>>712512254
not really since lighter weapons are good at proccing status effects

what's the point of playing the game when you ignore all of the mechanics? Souls niggers are fucking retarded i swear

>>712512980
>And DS was sold on being good cause it's predictive based.
it wasn't, literally never, nothing ever indicated that it's predictive based, especially 5 second long attack wind ups in ds1
>naw they didn't
rice is parry everything + non stop attack spam, there's no positioning in this game, and milds the same, but to a slightly lesser degree

>>712508829
Not necessarily, but rolling should be about avoiding hitboxes, rather than immunity frames.

>>712514993
Counter point to your counter point. Whining about people playing to win in a competitive game is silly.
https://youtu.be/sGh4ZU4H5Hk?si=bmUGcLErrU0hklNL

Not that it was really the point in the first place though, since Elden Ring isn't a competitive game. The point was simply that games exist with sets of rules and are meant to be played in certain ways, throwing a shitfit because you can't play it the way you want means you should be looking for another game.

>>712504878 (OP)
darks ouls

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>>712520102
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