>>712586784
2>3>1

>>712584397 (OP)
No innovation compared to TTYD. It’s the same boring themes that plague the majority of Mario games. There’s a grassy area, a desert area, lava area, etc. But if you like that, then yes it would be better than TTYD. TTYD never feels like a Mario game.

>>712587284
>the game that came out before TTYD has no innovation compared to TTYD

>>712587413
I know that sounds silly but I meant no innovation when it comes to the theming of the areas you go to.

>>712587284
And that's what makes it so good. It's a Mario RPG retelling the basic Mario story in a cool way. If you dislike that, you haven't a soul!

I've noticed that an extremely large percentage of people think that Paper Mario N64 has timeless graphics that don't ever get old and I wonder what makes them say that but a lot of people use this game as an example for old games that still look good today, lol.

>>712587284
TTYD is just a rehash with worse everything except the battle system

>>712584397 (OP)
I've posted this before but this is one of the few Mario games where the Mushroom Kingdom feels like a lived-in world.

>>712587670
The game's art style is very cohesive.
>>712584397 (OP)
If every other Mario RPG wasn't doing its own thing maybe I wouldn't agree but Paper Mario is the only one that feels like it takes place in the same world as the normal Mario games. I like that the other RPGs aren't afraid to do crazy stuff but can't we get more than one Mario RPG that tries to feel like Mario? That and also I liked spinning.

>>712587670
N64 PM does have timeless graphics because the aesthetic is beautiful. Even today it still looks good and TTYD (gaycube) looks like flash trash.

>>712584397 (OP)
Based. Fuck TYDfags.

Also Dark Souls

>>712587284
Yeah, God forbid a Mario RPG resemble Mario.

>>712590006
True, nothing beats Demons Souls.

>>712590878
Different series. Nice try.

>>712584397 (OP)
Paper Mario is like season 3 of Simpsons. TTYD is like season 13 of Simpsons.

Opinions like this perfectly illustrate how little the average gamer actually cares about gameplay quality. TTYD improves upon 64 in literally every facet of its gameplay. But who cares? It has le mario themed worlds! Watercolor backgrounds!! ZOMG mario can do da spin!
Just tiresome. It's no wonder so many companies release half-assed games these days.

>>712590937
>Both games share multiple NPCs, rings, armor, and weapons. With even the title names being near identical.
Nah dude they're different, trust me.

>>712591130
Explain this to a faggot nigga who hasn't watched the simps

>>712591291
The store is called sneed's feed and seed but the sign says it previously belonged to chuck. Therefore if one is to reason that the naming convention was the same when chuck owned the store then it would have been called chuck's fuck and suck!

>>712591225
there's no quality in ttyd
even in the better chapters they are mindless repetition like shitz pit

>>712584397 (OP)
Kingdom Come Deliverance

>>712591225
The battle gameplay being better isn’t enough to carry the fact that the rest of the game feels like a chore to play though and isn’t as memorable or charming as the original.

>>712591225
You type like a complete faggot on top of having extremely reductive and retarded opinions in which you are almost guaranteed to be a hypocrite about so shut the fuck up retard. If gameplay was the only in all be all in games everything would still be vector wireframe graphics with blaring MIDI sound effects.

>>712584397 (OP)
7/10 game at best

>>712587284
>TTYD never feels like a Mario game
neither does SPM and that game is dogshit.

>>712591225
You realize shit like exploration and level design are components of gameplay, right retard? And 64 blows TTYD out the water.

>>712587284
>literally invents multiple new characters
>literally invents multiple new races
>introduced the concept that the typical bad guy characters (goombas, boos, etc) arent all bad
>"no innovation"
(You)

>>712591924
Obviously gameplay isn't the end all be all but it should be the most important factor. Look at the faggot above you, acting as if BATTLES, the things you spend 75% of your time in, don't matter compared to the game being "charming" or "memorable". Gee yeah I'd rather have a memorable setting than an actually enjoyable game to fucking play.
>>712592118
Hey dipshit, TTYD literally encourages exploration MORE. There are more side quests, more shines than super blocks, more badges to find, etc. Also "muh linear level design" is a retarded complaint. As if going right then up then right again is somehow more engaging than just going right three times. Hey btw did you know environments in TTYD are actually larger than most in 64?

ttyd has higher highs, but notably lower lows

>>712587284
What the fuck am I reading? Idiot.

64 was always better than TTYD. Everyone agreed when it 1st came out.

I really never realized this series would devolve into people debating over whether the first or second game is better. All I remember is after I played them both for the first time in the 2000s, I thought they were almost exactly equal quality but I preferred TTYD just because it was longer and had more content and I thought that was the tiebreaker between two otherwise equal games. I came to that conclusion as a kid many years ago and I haven't changed my opinion since then because I haven't really played the games since then either, lol.

>>712592892
Go replay them. 64 is so much better, it's unreal.

>>712592491
>Gee yeah I'd rather have a memorable setting than an actually enjoyable game to fucking play.
But PM64 is an enjoyable game to play. No need for you to chimp out

>>712591225
TTYD had like 4 areas that were fun. The backtracking was shit. They added some cool things to battling, but went way overboard with having the level limit on HP/FP/BP be 99. Super guarding trivializes the game, should have been further reduction and not an i-frame. Because BP is 99 and duplicate badges can be farmed from the casino, there is no actual build varience because you can equip 10+ power rushes AND have all the defensive stuff on with zero downside. Bowser was reduced to a joke. The cold open to PM64 was much better and had higher stakes.

Im sure theres more, but dont fucking pretend that TTYD was objectively better. Because it simply was not.

TTYD is better on a first playthrough but on repeats the backtracking becomes very obvious. Chapters like glitz pit, twilight town, and the train arent half as cool without the mystery. Also the lack of spindash makes the backtracking feel even more tedious.

>>712592892
Theyre both good for different reasons. I personally prefer PM64, but its like if thats a 95 out of 100 for me, TTYD is a 93 or 94. But when you have asshats like the fag claiming TTYD is something objectively better in every way, it gets grating.

I would take a true PM game based off of TTYD, even if I prefer it being more like PM64

>>712593347
>TTYD is better on a first playthrough but on repeats the backtracking becomes very obvious

This is probably the best assessment. I’ve replayed PM64 dozens of times over the years and it’s never gotten old but I’ve played through TTYD exactly twice and the second time felt like a slog

It's always been funny to me how both PM and M&L peaked with their first entries, and makes me wonder if Squaresoft made a follow-up to Mario RPG would they have fucked it up too.

>>712591225
How is it better?

>>712584397 (OP)
Not true, Origami King is a great game.

>>712591225
All TTYD has is story. The levels suck and the gameplay is never pushed on the player enough for the new additions to even matter. Everything is expected to be used in 64.

>>712584397 (OP)
>make a sequel to Mario RPG, which introduced timed hits.
>Don't let the player do timed hits until the end of the prologue.
>Start of game is so fucking slow and everything it press A, do one damage, receive 1 damage.

Stopped playing there, what an awful first impression.

>>712596357
>introduced
>sequel
Did you not time any of your jumps in RPG, are you dumb?

QUICK anons! Post your top 3 chapters between 64/TTYD/Super
-Ch 7 64
-Ch 6 ttyd
-Ch 8 ttyd

https://youtu.be/FwoC6vcIDXs?si=FTTo0cVvRz1l20-r

>>712596632
Paper Mario was intended to be a sequel to Mario RPG. Even then, it came out after the concept of timed hits was established.

Paper Mario (for seemintly no good reason) prevents you using the timed hits/action commands till the end of the prologue when Twink brings you the required item.

Have you not played the game?

>>712597006
The prologue is pretty short. I’ve never seen it as an issue to introduce you to the basic concepts before opening up timed hits

>>712595637
nah, superstar saga was only better than paper jam

>>712595637
I think my biggest issue with the M&L series is that they all get too same-y after BiS

Silent hill would be the obvious choice

Mass Effect

Great question.
Kingdom Hearts
Arkham Asylum
Max Payne
Watch Dogs
Bioshock
Dark Souls

>>712598471
>Dark Souls
trying to emulate greatness will never succeed because you are sucking the seed out of what was

>>712595637
Partners in Time and Bowser's Inside Story were both better.

>>712596964
>Trials in the Toy Box
>Dark Days in Flower Fields
>A Star Spirit on Ice

Toy box is a lot of fun with all the Shy Guy varieties and various puzzles opening up the areas of the Toy Box. Pretty fun final boss too

Flower Fields I think gets a bad rap because of the backtracking but I like all the flower characters and the music is pretty great. Very satisfying once you’ve cleared up all the troubles at the end

On Ice is just a good final challenge before the final level. Great music, great puzzles, decent enemy challenges and a solid boss to cap it off. Plus the murder mystery was pretty funny

>>712598541
huh?

>>712584397 (OP)
Deus Ex

>>712598689
your pewny brain won't understand

Crash Bandicoot
>Series went from a challenging platformer similar to Donkey Kong Country, to obsessive collectathons with poor level design
Halo CE
>Perfect mixture of sandbox and linear levels. Best difficulty balance. Halo 2 is too linear with fucked difficulty. (Normal and heroic are too easy. Only legendary is hard but blatantly unfair)
Halo 3 is too easy even on legendary.
>Pikmin

>>712596964
>64
lavalava island
>ttyd
excess express or glitzville
>super
i cant even remember any chapters, was there a space one? I'll say that

>>712598746
alright, good luck sucking seed or whatever

>>712598950
>was there a space one? I'll say that
yeah, chapter 4

>>712587284
What? TTYD rehashes so much shit from PM64.

Peach cake baking = potion brewing
Peach quiz show for the parosol = TEC quiz
Parasol stealth section = XNaut costume stealth section
First chapter is green plains with a Koopa villiage and castle
2nd chapter has the same "put objects into the 5 slots correctly" puzzle
Same "buy 2 items from the shop" password puzzle
Moon is just the desert from the first game except linear with no secrets
Train is just a rehash of the PM64's Chapter 7 murder mystery
Bow = Vivian
Koops = Kooper
Paper Boat = Sushi
Admiral Bobbery = Bombette
Yoshi = Parakarry
Goombario = Goombella
Final boss is invincible until cutscene plays

I'm probably missing some, but holy shit you are retarded.

>>712584397 (OP)
Correct. Mario RPG is the best.

The third game is also a respectable choice but the first Ace Attorney is the only one where I like all the cases. The self-contained nature of the first game being made without sequels in mind made it the tightest written. (except for the DS exclusive case. I do still love that case despite people's valid complaints with it.)

Also since no one else said yet Luigi's Mansion is an obvious one.

>Tanabe's cock suckers trying to cause a flamewar among the actual good games
SS, CS and TOK are trash
64 and TTYD are good
SPM is a fun spin-off
Cope, seethe and dilate

super paper mario was never good

>>712584397 (OP)
64 is very good. TTYD is good but in a different way.

>>712599549
Good game, but world map sucks compared to PM64's connected levels. Also pick-me-ups are way too good for how cheap they are which completely fucks the balance. Leveling system is also stupid with how a random stat gets a bonus upgrade if you pick the correct one.

That's why PM needs a third game with the same RPG gameplay so it can improve TTYD without falling into TTYD's pitfalls.