Thread 712588035

ban steam charts threads

Why do people buy every new Monster Hunter if they all have the same monsters and weapons but the games gradually become casualised and run worse on more powerful hardware?

>>712588463
GOD, you're so cute anon, please be my friend

>>712588035 (OP)
It's a lot of fun but there's not much to do since it's so easy. You don't ever have to target specific gear for weaknesses/block ailments, parts are thrown out like candy, and there's not some super monster that you need to spec for. Wounds also turn it into easy mode by chaining pops. You just burn through everything really quickly so there's no reason to stay after finishing base content even with TUs.

>>712588516
You didn't answer my question.

>>712588789
and i want you to be my friend.

>>712588035 (OP)
No content

>>712588035 (OP)
The same thing with World's base game. People played the fuck out of it, got bored because content comes in at a snails pace, and moved on until actual content drops for it. TU2 being this far out was a mistake. The Akuma stuff is cool, but it doesn't make up for the huge gap between TU1 and TU2.

>>712588035 (OP)
Literally just game performance.

>>712594058
For me one thing holding me back is constant squad disconnects, sure how it transitions to single player seamlessly is cool but I just want to play with my friends.

>>712594058
naw, it's also >>712592558
not much to do if you have been playing since launch, unless you really like the idea of fighting a Gore who has more HP then the final boss and also one shots you with everything.

>>712590560
Let's bond over monsties anon

>>712588035 (OP)
Funny, just before I saw this thread I took a look at the chart and Wilds is currently slightly ahead of world, I guess the world sale boost is wearing off slightly, but it's still embarrassingly close.

Im not going back to Morld

>>712588463
Because each game is actually different enough to justify infighting among the community, so clearly it isn't the same game each and every time.

I wish someone would just make a classic monhun game. World onward is so shit having to be balanced around infinite resource restocking. Instead of attrition of your resources and backing you into a corner to get gud monsters now have to wombo combo you to death or themselves get oblitrated with no difficulty.

>Environments are boring to explore, with few interesting secrets or shortcuts to take, made even worse by the Seikrets just auto moving you
>No real sense of "hunting", monsters are on the map, Seikrets home in on them, tracks are pointless, and same goes for the paintball
>Inventory controls are even more convoluted somehow and annoying to set a loadout for
>Lower difficulty overall due to wound system and being able to go back to camp and completely refresh any time
>Environments are often shades of brown and grey, which is supposed to make the seasonal changes more impactful, but just means you spend a good 80% of the time in muddy, dull environments
>Environments are rocky mountains with snow, grey oil pits, a sand blasted desert, and a dreary jungle
>Lack of features like the hub alongside convoluted matchmaking directly with friends make it tedious for anything but randoms
>Materials are way easier to get, and you can literally go search for people online who have investigations with guaranteed gems/plates
>Much less environmental interactivity and purpose. Less reason to pick things up, less reason to utilize things other than the rare boulder, and less of note to watch out for.
>Performance is ass on PC for a lot of people, with performance being choppy on console alongside horrific resolution and textures
>Abysmal story overall that actively gets in the way of gameplay (see the constant walk-and-talk scenes that go on forever)

I enjoyed the core gameplay in spots, beat HR and the newest content, then just stopped playing. My friends completely fell off before even beating HR. Not like it's anything of note since the HR final boss is just a tougher flagship that you've already fought.

It's aggressively mediocre honestly, and sometimes outright bad in spots.

>>712588191
I love steam chart threads
ban all steam chart thread haters

>>712588035 (OP)
Kinda ironic how they ruined the game trying to appeal to worldbabs and they just went back to world

>>712588035 (OP)
Sales > Steam Charts

Wilds was a disaster.

>>712595316
World was right on the cusp of being too neutered, sometimes going over that edge, but never enough that it was outright bad or boring.

Wilds just went right on over, cheering as it careened into mediocrity. Capcom does this all the time with sequels it feels like. They see something that worked (ignoring all of those who point out what went wrong) and completely double/triple down on it.

Then they add in shit performance to boot.

>>712592558
>The same thing with World's base game.
not exactly the same
Wilds is sitting at a ~20,000 player peak a mere 3 and a half months after launch
In the same span of time after PC release, World was sitting at ~35,000 average

to put this in perspective
World's 329,333 peak to 35,000 in 3.5 months is a 89% dropoff
Wilds 1,179,869 peak to 20,000 in 3.5 months is a 98% dropoff

98 fucking percent just gone

>>712588191
Why?

Both are inferior to Rise, where my wives Yomogi and Komitsu are from

>>712588463
the games are actually quite different, but this new one was bad different (a different bad different than world)

World and Wilds both suck and are a blight on the MH series.

But the real blight is allowing Tokuda's retarded ass fantasies of creating some ecological world to actually start development despite the fact that it makes the rest of the game worse since it's just a bunch of half finished concepts (like alpha monsters, seasons, weather, and more) and no hardware on the planet can run it properly.

>>712596312
This is a meaningless metric, World took 6 months to release on PC the markets are entirely different.

>>712597413
>World took 6 months to release on PC
that makes the metric MORE relevant
World PC wasn't even a concurrent release, nor was it even as updated as the console version at the time of release
A game that people had already played for 6 months is retaining more players than Wilds. it's embarrassing

>>712597645
>A game that people had already played for 6 months

No stop and think about this
If people bought the game on console already, what demographic of player is going to be buying the game again?

>>712597880
>what demographic of player is going to be buying the game again?
a bigger demographic than you might believe
many made the switch to PC easily in anticipation for the eventual expansion rather than remain on a console that can only pull 40 fps on a good day

>>712598194
You are not understanding. The type of person who rebuys the game is going to be more hardcore and play for longer. That's why you can't really infer anything from these statistics, the audience for a simultaneous launch vs. delayed launch is different.

The insistence on analyzing it in this lens is someone who has a conclusion and is trying to force statistics to align with it.

>>712598647
>The type of person who rebuys the game is going to be more hardcore and play for longer.
I think you're the one not understanding
Your argument brings up hardcore fans that play longer, but if that's the focus point then how is the number of players sticking around in Wilds still markedly less than World?
World came out on PC half a year after console
Not every single console player made the switch to PC
MH as a franchise did not yet have even close to the same popularity as it did post-World, and virtually zero pre-existing PC base
World peaked at a mere THIRD of Wilds
and yet despite all these odds, World still maintained a healthier playerbase than Wilds did relatively

ergo, Wilds is an absolutely royal fuckup by all measures

>>712588035 (OP)
They took a franchise well known for sticking to a strong formula and decided to change it for some godforsaken tiny Japanese dicked reason
Fucking retards

>>712599417
I feel too ignorant, what's the reason, anon?

>>712599294
>World came out on PC half a year after console
>Not every single console player made the switch to PC

Yes, the console players who switched over are going to be more hardcore. Wilds had a simultaneous release, so there are more casual players on PC. You are only looking at Steam numbers.

>>712588035 (OP)
People have given plenty of reasons but here are a few of mine.
>Lack of satisfying end game. Artian grind is boring.
>Lack of Elder Dragons and other teir 3 monsters for challenge/fun
>Seikret is too much of a "get out of jail free" card; the automation discourages people from learning/exploring the maps. Parts of the maps are also only accessible via the Seikret, preventing on foot exploration. They're also just worse Palamutes, as the Palamutes could actually fight in combat, had craftable weapons and armor, and didn't serve as merely a healing taxi. You also couldn't call for the Palamutes when you were knocked down, so no last second saves when you made a mistake.
>Maps are mostly uninteresting. Scarlet Forest is the only map that actually looks pleasant and plays "okay." The other maps aren't fun to fight on, especially The Iceshard Cliffs and Ruins of Wyveria. Scarlet Forest > Windward Plains > Oilwell Basin > Ruins of Wyveria > Iceshard Cliffs. To further add, the maps themselves are designed around the Seikret, so they take forever to explore on foot. They're a combination of being too linear and too large & empty. Massive open areas filled with nothing segemted by narrow corridors that allow no freedom of traversal like the maps from Monster Hunter Rise.
>Endimic Life serve 0 purpose. You can no longer display them as pets, nor have a player room in which you would display them in despite being able to capture them.
>Very few Arena quests available. 1 Chatacabra, 1 Rathian and 2 Tempered Ajarakan via Akuma Crossover.
>No 3+ monster hunts for Optionals/Investigations. The max is 2, with the sole expection being the triple Quemetrice event.

>>712599678
>Wilds had a simultaneous release, so there are more casual players on PC.
Yes that's exactly the point you fucking retard
All of those hardcore fans didn't have to buy it on console first, all of them could go straight for PC version
AND YET THERE ARE STILL LESS OF THEM STICKING TO WILDS THAN WHEN THEY WERE MORE SPLIT BETWEEN PLATFORMS IN WORLD
>You are only looking at Steam numbers.
The amount of people that owned a PS4 at the time absolutely eclipses the amount of people that currently own a PS5

>>712588191
>ban steam charts threads
They generate a lot of traffic for 4chan which is more ad revenue.

>30 fps
>All monsters are shit
>PS3 graphics
>Retarded interface
>Unskippable walking segments
>No Elder Dragons
>Less monsters than MH2 and 4
>LS is overpowered
>No challenge
>No MH language
Is this the worst game of all time?

what are some good og mh that i can play as i came from worlds

>>712606162
do you want to play really old mh, or just classic?
if you want really old, play FU
if you want kinda old and swimming play 3U
if you want classic but not necessarily old, play 4U or GU

>not add more content
>add akuma for people to post meme for a day

>>712595324
i mean one is a decade old and had an expansion to further boost sales....
wilds is still shit tho

>>712606162
Play all G editions. Every single one.

The actual problem? Players didn't have the real option to completely kill the Messiah kid off in Wilds.

>>712606403
Pretty sure World isn't 10 years old. Worldborne will have over 40 mill sales by then. Wildsborne will never reach 30 million in even 15 years.

>>712595140
>Materials are way easier to get, and you can literally go search for people online who have investigations with guaranteed gems/plates
Sounds like DD2's pawn quest system which is a good idea on paper but easily exploitable since it isn't balanced well. Capcom really doesn't learn nowadays.

>>712588035 (OP)
>what went so WRONG?
Wilds is not properly optimized, that's it.
All my friends that I used to play World with are still playing World because they're poorfags :(

>>712588035 (OP)
Not enough content.

>>712605672
>No MH language
It's there. But you only hear it in the background when NPCs are talking to eachother, and the diva sings in MHL.

>>712606284
>kinda old

Anon, 3U is almost 15 years old

Wild is just way too easy, even my retarded friend who never bring flashbug in World can streamroll Wild monster

>>712606918
relative to other monster hunter games

>>712606904
>It's there
Show me the option where I can pick it

>>712606918
>check
>its real
fug, for some reason i always thought 3U came out in 2013

>>712588035 (OP)
I like Wilds, but I have a couple issues;
>World
The world layout is good, but it looks like shit. Take Dragon's Dogma 2, it's on the same engine, it also has poor performance (actually largely fixed now), but it looks TEN THOUSAND TIMES BETTER. They're basically the same game. Open world big monster killing game. Yet Dragon's Dogma 2 looks fucking great while Monster Hunter Wilds looks terrible.
>Performance
I'm probably one of the few who can run this game above 60FPS on max settings, but I shouldn't need a computer as good as mine to do that. Like I said - the game looks awful.
>Online
The online is awful. Constant disconnections, constant connection errors. But my biggest issue is how Link Parties work. You cannot stay in a persons world forever. You can join an environment party, but you can't join missions from there and you don't stay together after this. It fucking sucks trying to play with someone. Constantly connecting and disconnecting. It's fucking annoying.

The game itself is fun. It's still Monster Hunter and some of the new combos are really fucking cool. But these three issues are so fucking annoying, I just don't want to play it long term anymore...

>>712607065
It's funny to look back and think there was a sizable period of time where we honestly weren't sure if the west was getting any more MH

>>712588035 (OP)
No content
Runs poorly
Worse than World overall, I'd rather replay it than Wilds

>>712607120
Also - I know people have said, "Oh it's only the desert area that looks bad" and while I disagree. Even the Desert Area in DD2 looked so much better than Wilds.

I seriously don't understand how two similar games with similar concepts, both open world, both using the same fucking engine, BOTH FROM THE SAME FUCKING COMPANY can fuck up so fucking bad.
They literally solved most of the issues with open world and performance in DD2. Why is Wilds having all the same problems years later, BUT EVEN FUCKING WORSE. At least DD2 looks good enough to warrant it's bad performance...

>>712588463
They're a bit "different" but going back is just impossible unless you already played these games in the past and have your nostalgia goggles on, or you're trying to fit with the veteran crowd like a poser.
The gameplay in previous titles pre-World were less dynamic, with fewer move set. You could say it was more about positioning and committing to the animations but that type of gameplay is slow and clunky now. It's also not true to say that that aspect is completely gone in Wilds. It's that Focus mode is a crutch easy mode, way too OP.
You also feel very lonely and isolated in the past games without MP.
And the amount of stupid farm you need to do, the absence of QoL features, the drops for mats that is insane etc. Unless you hate your life, it's not worth it.

If you play ONE MH game, you've pretty much played all of them. Because the experience is always more or less the same. Wilds might get a lot of hate right now, warranted too, but it'll become better in the long run.

>>712607352
God, I hate Capcom.

man.. bros.. lads.... wilds is so bad that I don't think even g rank can fix it...

>>712607620
Of course not. G edition cannot fix the core. The combat is shit because its an FPS with focus mode and the engine cannot run the game. All G edition will do is add more monsters and gear.

>>712607016
Read my fucking post over again, you nigger.

>>712607120
>I'm probably one of the few who can run this game above 60FPS on max settings
Native or fake frames?

>>712608005
Native.

>>712607884
>No option to pick MH language
So the game doesn't have it

>>712608370
even Rise have MH langauge

Grimm

>>712608370
There's no option to pick it because it's literally already in the game and NPCs speak it.

>>712607620
>still need to go through the awful g expansion
>and then rise 2 and its g rank expansion
mh7 bros....its fucking over...

>>712607620
They will cancel G Rank and go straight for World 2 on a new engine

>>712608958
Who the fuck cares about NPCs? Every character should speak it

>>712609775
wilds is world 2

When I'm done with Worlds, should I just buy Rise instead? Possibly check out Wilds in a year or two?

>>712588035 (OP)
It's so sad watching them trying to get rid of everything that made monster hunter special. World at least still felt like a monster hunter game despite its issues and did make some genuinely good changes but they went way too far.
They already hit mainstream appeal with worlds, they didn't have to dumb things down even further than that.

>franchise known for having a ton of content to do, challenging, rewarding, long mastery curve
>almost no content, not challenging, not rewarding, can beat everything on the first try
sasuga capcom

>>712610203
rise is great
wilds isn't worth playing until the dlc, if even then

>>712610203
Rise is fun.
a bit easy but it somehow closer to traditional MH than World and Wilds.

I repeat this every thread, but here's the main reason - it literally has no proper endgame.
Something that's the bread and butter of every monhun.
Decos are super easy to get this time.
The artian weapon system is incredibly lazy and also easy to abuse by savescumming.
The only useful artian parts drop from like five monsters making it pointless to hunt anything else.

>>712611365
The only bright side right now is that at least there is more 8 star monsters to hunt now compared to the fucking Arkveld hunting simulator experience that was release wilds. I don't know who in their right minds at Capcom thought that was a good idea, but it wasn't.

>>712611902
that's cool but I killed 200 tempered arkvelds and don't need those monsters anymore

>>712595140
greg is that greg oree miss you champ. it probably isn't but I miss that lil nigga like yall couldn't believe. this was his profile pic.

>>712588035 (OP)
apologize

APOLOGIZE

>>712612527
I have nothing to apologize for
>>712612548
I will not apologize

>game for veterans with loadsa content
vs
>game for normies with stupid story nobody asked for and meh-content

>>712612527
>finish Sunbreak
>start post game
>for some fucking reason they dial up the difficulty to 11
Who the fuck designed Violet Mizusune, Amatsu and Primordial, holy shit am I being raped

Are the Risen monsters fun?

>>712612791
Also Scorned Magnamalo can suck a dick, the nigger never stops moving
What happened to openings?

>>712612784
>game for veterans

>>712612791
this is where the game really starts
though if you're getting raped by amatsu it's because these monsters were released later in the game's lifespan, after most people had already done most of the anomaly content. If you haven't done anomaly grind you're undergeared

>>712588035 (OP)
You didn't post current stats

I've only put 70 hours into it, and a good chunk of that was just me desperately trying to extend my playtime, even World and Rise as bare as they were at launch, I could at least get to over 100 hours in those games. I don't think the Lagi update will help which sucks
>>712612791
I enjoy the Risen versions of all the monsters more than the normal forms honestly

I really hope they just abandon this peice of shit. Even g rank won't save it. Also I'm sick of grank concept and drip fed content to keep the game running for 3 years.

>>712612907
>>712612907
>>712612907
Ohhhhh that makes sense, I skipped anomaly and went right for them. No fucking wonder, right now I’m getting one shotted by primordial

I was actually wondering what the recommended route was supposed to be. Anomaly grind seems like a waste? Like do monsters get new move sets?

I can’t remember GQ hunts in 4 but I think at level 140 they got new things

>>712588035 (OP)
As someone who's only played world, can you guys tell me why rise is never included in these discussions?

>>712613145
oh yeah just work through the anomaly quests for now, you need the materials to fully upgrade your weapons and improve armor, and you need to grind MR for a bit to unlock more dragons and stuff
primordial malzeno is basically the final boss, you're way undergeared

>>712607381
Most retarded post I've read in a while.

>>712613145
it's worth grinding anomaly just to upgrade your armor and weapons further, even just unlocking anomaly slots on your weapons gives free bonuses. Most monsters don't get new moves, I think there's only a few that get like one move

>>712612791
Chameleons really pisses me off too cause all he does is spam poison moves over and over

>>712612894
I said what I said.

>>712588035 (OP)
>all these retards desperately trying to explain why the game flopped through le gameplay
normalfaggots like the gameplay, what they hate is how shit it looks, how shit it runs, and how annoying it is to set up a party with your bros
if crapcon fixed that it'd have 1 million current players all day every day for 100 years

>>712614713
no it wouldn't, because normalfags will quit when the credits roll
which is exactly what happened

>haven't touched Wilds since I beat it 3 days after launch
>immediately went and played through GU again after beating it
>just decided to buy Rise on PC after beating it on switch

>>712588463
I for one am glad the gunlance no longer has a heat gauge.

>>712597349
An immersive hunting simulator with complex ecosystem calculations would be a good way for the franchise to evolve. Issue is, Tokuda doesn't want that. He wants to make moviegames with braindead gameplay that appeals to casuals and normies

>>712612791
most players had no issue with them because they started fighting them post game gear with +1 or +2 levels of afflicted upgrades

>>712611365
>Something that's the bread and butter of every monhun.
You started with 4U didn't you?

>>712615261
>think gunlance is shit
>rise makes it into a funlance and I’m zipping around rocket jumping
I can’t wait to rocket jump in Wilds

>>712613387
Oh yeah? What's that? Are you gonna tell me with a straight face that you expect most people to go *back* to play the older games? lmao.
These games don't respect your time anymore. It's over, gramps. There is no going back pre-World. Games are old, clunky, look like pixel vomit and are slow and nobody plays them anymore except a few nostalgia faggots.

>>712615743
Not that guy but did GU have endgame?

>>712614775
And the producer said the game was a massive success because of their story!
I made sure to tell them how much I hated that fucking brown kid Nata in the survey, and everybody that played the game loathed these miserable backward faggot NPCs.
I know Capcom is bad at video game writing, but with Wilds, they surpassed themselves. Story, dialogue, characters, everything was a disaster.
And the kid is still there, with his own coming-up-the-ass-of-age story for the G Rank...
I just can't believe they thought this was a good idea to begin with.

Also most dedicated players dropped the game, as soon as they saw what the end game really is about. It's fucking ass.

>>712615929

bro...

>>712615929
Anon…..

>>712616459
GU has deviants which constantly level up from beating them. They have their own armor sets that look cool as fuck. Once you get a deviant to level 100 you unlock EX Deviants and beating them let you use deviant armor as layered gear.

>>712588035 (OP)
World is a superior game, it runs better, the engine is better suited for open worlds and it's more fun.

>>712588035 (OP)
Problem number one is that the game just isn't good
>>712588191
this
>>712588463
Rise, World and Wilds are nothing alike, nice 2014 post though
>>712595324
>World: 21.5 million in 7 years
>Wilds: 10.10 million in 4 months
Come on man

>>712618750
Worldfags will just keep buying world so Wilds never surpasses it

>>712618880
We will check back in 6 years, be ready

>>712612548
NEVER

Come home hunter

>>712619473
>home
>1 road and a shack

>>712619831
>is real
What the fuck

>>712616565
>>712616627
A-at least they bring back the guard point into wyvernstake combo and make it useful, right?