Thread 712590005

>>712590005 (OP)
Extraction shooters are a fucking blight.

>>712590103
sounds like the next big thing to me bucko
I can't wait grinding for gear on tau ceti iv this fall only on sony™ playstatoin®

>>712590005 (OP)
Bungie leadership finna cash their stock options and crash the plane with no survivors. Kinda based desu

Who's art style would (you) steal for marathon?

>>712593637
The creators of Marathon Rubicon's art, but instead of stealing the art I would pay them, and instead of an extraction shooter with no story I would make an actual Marathon sequel and re-hire the team of the original Marathon Trilogy too.

>>712590005 (OP)
Someone said Sony confirmed that it's still releasing in September in their recent financial call.

Which means they'll have two months to market it, assuming they start it up again in July.

>>712594178
They're not going to market it. Its being sent to die and bungie is going to have layoffs.

>>712594489
>release a product you know is going to fail

I know it's probably because of some jewry in the contract Sony/Bungie signed, but it's insane to me to release a game you know will not succeed. Something you know is just going to lose money. Even Sega had the brains to cancel Hyenas.

>>712590005 (OP)
>Sony wasted almost $4B dollars for Concord and Marathon
will never fail to make me laugh. whoever is the guy solely responsible for the acquisitions should be dead by now.

>>712593802
How bout you pay the voice actors what they're worth instead

>>712594732
I'd rather train an AI on them and enslave their digital ghosts in my voice actor harem forever.

Yes. Painfully yes.
I hope the game is good (impossible odds, but who cares about that).

>>712594684
Its embarrassing but they will at least recoup a small portion of the cost. What's left of bungie will be sent to the mtx mines until the inevitable shuttering of the company

>>712594969
But is that meager amount of money worth the reputational damage?

>sir, we spent $250m to make Marathon
>but we only make $45k revenue
>and after taxes, Steam's cut, and everything else, we're walking away with $25k
>oh, and we torpedoed what little value our studio brand had left and now people associate us with dead on arrival Concord-like games

>>712594732
Why pay the big bucks for a "celeb" VA when you can just hire someone with a similar voice and make them sign a contract to train an AI with?

>>712595156
>reputation
>sony
Lol funny joke anon

>>712595371
Bungie, retard. The name still carries some weight (or recognizability, at least) among normalfags.

>>712594684
it can't be canceled, Bungie isn't allowed and Sony is too inept to do it.

>>712595560
>can't be cancelled
Nonsense. Sony/Bungie would just have to agree to adjust the contract or something. But it's one side screwing the other, so they're both just going to release the game and watch it sink a minute after leaving port.

>>712595495
Bungie hasnt been relevant for a decade.

>>712596375
Not on /v/, but normalfags still care about them. Right?

>>712597082
No. Only Destiny addicts

>>712597082
Unironically yes.
I don't know how many care about them, but Bungie has fans because of Destiny (at least one, a zoomer friend of mine is a Destiny diehard and can't quit no matter how shitty it gets)

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>>712590005 (OP)
I mean this game is a guarantee flop at this point. It’s built up so much negativity and bad press. Layoffs at Bungie is a “when” not “if”

>>712590005 (OP)
Guarantee this will release on time in September, become the best selling game of the year, win multiple GOTY awards, and go on to foster a 5-10 year dedicated playerbase and update stream
If you don’t believe in this game, you’re everything wrong with gaming

>>712597446
Don't insult Icarus by associating it with Marathon.

Everybody's just waiting for the game to flop.
bungie know its coming but they're beating around the bush so hard

>>712597519
It's highly unlikely
But it is possible for them to turn it around

>>712594684
it's a fairly standard tactic, they can write it off as a loss
sony has done this with movies dozens of times

>>712597723
>turn it around
The game is dead and it hasn't even launched yet. This isn't a situation where the game has hype going into launch, is shit at launch, and gets fixed over time. Marathon never had the 'people are excited for it' state.

>>712598123
>The game is dead and it hasn't even launched yet.
In the original Marathon, you are playing as an undead corpse animated by electricity and Will

>>712598505
Start looking for a nice bridge to live under, sony maratroon shill.

>>712593637
The artstyle that Forever Winter stole from someone else, with a smidgeon of the artstyle the Generation Zero devs stole from that one shy Swedish guy

>>712593637
I would copy Chris Cunningham and make it late 90s edgy and grimy Aphex Twin style instead of the Designers Republic

>>712598091
>just write it off
The best way would be to do what Sega did and kill the game before it came out and claim the loss as R&D, which apparently has better tax breaks than just a failed product.

>>712598505
It'd be poetic if this new bastardized version had anything to do with the original beyond the name and some wafer thin lore references.

>>712598679
I am in your internetz

CONCORD 2
>CONCORD 2

>>712598796
>It'd be poetic if this new bastardized version had anything to do with the original beyond the name and some wafer thin lore references.
Have you played the originals?

Bungie deserves a book or documentary. Absolutely fascinating example of wasted potential, especially when you branch off and follow Halo post Bungie

>>712598892
A lifetime ago. I know some of the corporations from it are in this remake, and some of the OG enemies were in the fancy CG trailer, but that's about it.

>>712598830
Fuck nu-bungie and all of their shills (you), you must be destroyed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2vamORMP5A

>>712598796
there's a process by which you'd have to "prove" you deserve the tax break, and cancelling it before it comes out might not be an option since they were demonstrably so close to releasing and the only reason they wouldn't is because of plagiarism, which they can potentially skate on by claiming a subcontractor was the responsible party and the person they stole from isn't pursuing damages apparently, but that might get muddied if they have to directly address it in a legally-binding capacity

>>712590103
There are like 2 of them

>>712599083
It took me some time I'll admit, but several weeks ago I saw the vision.
I don't know if Bungie has the skill to pull it off, but it ties into the originals in an interesting way.
I am someone who hates remakes that share the same name as the original as if they're meant to replace the original, and even despite this, what they are doing won me over.

>>712599098
Believe me. I sympathize.
But I am not who you think I am.

>>712590103
What? There's barely any. Even the popular ones like Tarkov are still super niche.

>>712600784
nta, but there are several and every one of them I've seen has been streamer bait.
It's like the entire genre is made to be streamed and generate "content" not played by people for fun

>>712598091
>they can write it off as a loss
>sony has done this with movies dozens of times
Tax write offs for entertainment products should not exist

>>712601108
yeah well you can literally blame jews for that one

>>712600916
>streamer bait
So more people are watching than playing? I don't see how that makes it any less niche if people won't even play the games. I don't actually watch any streams so I can't relate to how that's a bad thing.

>>712601152
I am saying there are a ton of Extraction games.
And the game industry as a whole seems to be convinced Extraction games are the new trend.
But the only people playing Extraction games are streamers. And every a new extraction game comes out, streamers play it and say "it's not as good as tarkov".
What I am saying is the industry is full of idiots making AAA games for "content creators" instead of normal people.

>>712594684
the deal sony signed with bungie lets sony take control of the company if bungie fails to make enough money
considering marathon is doa and destiny is on life support, sony's probably salivating at the thought of poaching all the talented devs for their other studios

>>712590103
what separates an extraction shooter from a looter shooter like Fortnite or a game actually built around extraction but not called that like Rainbow Six?

>>712602190
google dot com

Was honestly stoked on reveal, only for any hype to be crushed on gameplay reveal.
I'm never mad that a game isn't for me, but I just don't understand the hyper narrow focus of some of these newer games, they have no breadth to what they attempt.

>>712602001
>there are a ton
I recognize like 4 of these and some of them aren't even released yet. Are there more I'm not aware of?

>>712602518
Yea there are some indie games and games not on this list.

>>712602518
does that meme co-op game where you go into low poly environments to find useless crap and get attacked by spiders and shit as you try to leave count as an extraction shooter?

>>712597082
lmao, no. Other anon is right: Bungle hasn't been relevant since 2013, and that was like shortly after Destiny *1* launched.

>>712597519
Art Director better have a golden parachute ready for when he goes back to McDonalds.

>>712602694
It's not a shooter, but yes it's an extraction game. Also there are a lot of Extraction games that aren't shooters, like Dark and Darker is a DnD inspired melee combat game.

>>712602518
fix'd

>>712590005 (OP)
concord 2?

>>712602150
>talented devs

>>712590005 (OP)
Sadly?

>>712602518
Fairgame$ (not released yet, but the third Sony bomb. Formerly: "JADE'S CUM EXTRACTION GAME"), Hyenas (cancelled because Sega knew that shit would flop).

>>712603019
Oh and that "WE WUZ KANGZ: STEAL BACK OUR TREASURES" game that was announced at Summer Games Fest.

>>712603142
jesus fucking christ

>>712602895
i remember trying zero sievert and it just being kinda shit

>>712603142
Oh shit I forgot about Re-Looted.
Thanks anon.

>>712602895
Forever Winter has a beta I think.
>Delta Force
It has both extraction mode and deathmatch though.

Isn't Night Reign an extraction take on Elden Ring, and the new Fromsoft Switch Exclusive game an extraction game?

>>712603627
>Nightreign
Not really, it's a roguelite with a fortnite/apex shrinking circle.
>Duskbloods
maybe, don't think there's enough details out to qualify it that way yet.

>>712602981
destiny's gameplay is really good it's just not worth all the live service bullshit you have to put up with
great art and music, too

>>712593802
pretty much, either make it look like Rubicon or Apotheosis X

To this day I still don't under why corpos need to steal arts from some literallywho when they could just hire some monkeys to AI edit.
Like, where did those gorillions of burgers go into?

>>712603816
Destiny's gameplay is dogshit.
Feels way too smooth. Too much aim magnetism. You're limited to the weapons you're carrying, can't pick up dropped weapons and items from enemies, there's almost no physics interaction with the environment.
And you better like upgrading by having Engrams dropped on you according to an algorithm designed to keep you addicted, because that's the only source of variety.
Fucking dogshit game.

>>712603513
And a Battlefiled-clone sandbox mode.

>>712603627
No, it's more Battle Royale than Extraction Shooter.

>>712590005 (OP)
>90% of the cast is San Francisco-sensibility DEI niggos
Even if they didn't stole any art I still wouldn't buy it.

>>712604408
Wow, that's a lot of words in your graphic.

Too bad I'm not reading them.

>>712604408
I'm going to be honest, I don't think any of those complaints apply to nu-Marathon.

>>712604157
All of this. Destiny feels like outsourced teams make environments, and Bungie just put spawn points for enemies in the maps.

None of it feels organic, the platforming always feels like you’re going out of bounds.

>Limited the weapons you’re carrying
This is another point. In Halo, you could design combat scenarios based on the idea that you were constantly swapping weapons. A horde of perched Jackals becomes a sniper shooting gallery.
What’s the equivalent of this in Destiny?

>>712604741
Eh
I think Bungie is doing the environments in house. For better or worse.

>>712604883
There’s no semblance of level design in the game.
If you do Final Shape’s opening, you can see it immediately. You’re walking up strange ramps at weird angles, double jumping through weird gaps, crouching.

If it didn’t have the quest marker, you’d be absolutely lost.

>>712605264
>There’s no semblance of level design in the game.
I only played most of D1 (except Rise of Iron) and the D2 launch campaign, so I wouldn't know what their level design is like now.
Most of it was definitely a step down from Halo.

>>712605458
I’d argue that Bungie haven’t even changed much from Halo 1.
Destiny still is Halo, it even had Halo 1’s non descriptive level design where you get lost in alien structures.

Halo2’ and Reaches levels are better, but that’s because they honed the craft of cinematic set pieces in linear levels.

Destiny doesn’t have that to fallback on, so everything just feels detached, EXCEPT when the set pieces come back.

>>712593637
Family Guy's

>>712605704
I think Destiny's level design is a step down from Halo.
I'm too tired to try to remember any of it, but I just remember tons of doors covered in "darkness" fog, that you couldn't go through, but endless waves of enemies would come out of.
There's nothing that egregious in the Halo games.

>>712599098
Meds.

>>712599451
>>712599545
>YAAS THEY HAVE A VISION YAAAS
SYBAU shill they don't even have an original art style

>>712606332
Anon, are you a gentleman of African descent?

>>712590005 (OP)
Looking forward to it. Good things tend to suffer/not have it easy/get attacked.

Hopefully more Dev time turns it into something special instead of a cash grab. Might make it better not expected to go well, not supported and snubbed by reviewers. Like nearly every good thing that has ever existed.

Bungie doesn’t have the heart to make a post-Cyberpunk game.
It’s one thing to reference Ghost in the Shell, it’s another thing to understand the deeper themes.

This is what gets people talking about your game online. People don’t want PvP highlights, that’s for Fortnite and streamers.
They want an emotional connection, the same one they had while watching the cinematic trailer.

>>712605941
Yeah, and Warhammer's Darktide does the same shit. Little "doors" for enemies to spawn in (or even leave through) and be immune or spawn out of nowhere.

It's low effort slop spawning and annoying as shit.

>>712607310
Somehow I get the feeling you're not familiar with Marathon's story.
Whether they're able to capitalize on it is one thing, but the original games have a better cyberpunk story than Ghost in the Shell.

>>712607338
that kinda thing completely takes you out of any sense of immersion
it's like a big flashing red sign that says "You Are Playing A Videogame"

>>712607405
They do but do they have the heart to pull it off?
I’ll just say it straight: you can’t make Marathon in 2025 with the perspective of a neo-liberal mindset. It just can’t be done.

It’s like if someone who uses pronouns made Evangelion. It just doesn’t work, you can encapsulate the narrative themes from the framework of an emotional fallacy, as opposed to an open question, which for Eva and Marathon are “the nature of life and godhood”.

>>712602190
You gather things very cool things to sell and if you sell them you get money to buy awesome things. It encourages looting and surviving to become rich and buy good gear to continue gathering more resources.

>>712606121
The guy I was talking to already agreed with me, who are you? You looking for a long way down?

>>712608870
Meds now, schizo.

>>712607632
>They do but do they have the heart to pull it off?
I wouldn't say it's an issue of heart.
>open question, which for Eva and Marathon are “the nature of life and godhood”.
I also would not say this about Marathon. Or Eva really.

I don't disagree that it's an uphill battle to make something like the original Marathon, or do justice to the original Marathon, from a neoliberal perspective.
But I don't think you could make something like the original Marathon from your perspective,

>>712609358
long way down maratroon, now drop

>>712590005 (OP)
Concord 2 only worse because they stole art and still managed to look like shit

>>712609456
I don't give a fuck about marathon, I just think you're mentally ill for obsessing over it.

>>712609380
No that’s the core issue, it’s just not in the vernacular of online talk because everyone’s young online and that’s gay to frame it that way.

The mentality of Bungie is of self importance, that’s the social stance. If you can’t tear yourself down, tear your thought process down, you cannot make Marathon in 2025, because the anime concepts it borrows from in Akira and Ghost in the shell, they are not rooted in the mentality of 2025.
That Bungie mentality, is a byproduct of lack of wanting to dismantle their reality.

What people are asking here, is for a AAA game studio, to make something inspired by Akira/GItS, in 2025, and not have it be marred by weird propaganda.

And the the counter is, “It’s just a shooter bro”, and that’s the problem.

>>712609816
>I'm not a tranny, I just act like one
long way down

>>712609909
Meds, take them.

>>712610085
>Meds, take them.

>>712609863
>No that’s the core issue, it’s just not in the vernacular of online talk because everyone’s young online and that’s gay to frame it that way.
No.
Marathon is almost the opposite of what you say it is.
And much of it is very personal to Greg Kirkpatrick, who is a dangerous kind of genius.

>The mentality of Bungie is of self importance, that’s the social stance. If you can’t tear yourself down, tear your thought process down, you cannot make Marathon in 2025
Somehow I do not think you build things.

>>712610085
Get off /v/. You're shit.
Marathon shouldn't be condemned though. Nor should anything good.

More marathon gameplay:

Areas that stay untouched by the enemy count towards faith. And give more faith with time. Preventing enemy form going over areas or damaging them keeps them generating faith.

>>712610495
>wall of inarticulate schizobabble
Holy shit, sounds like you need to take your meds as well.

>>712610495
>More marathon gameplay:
>Areas that stay untouched by the enemy count towards faith. And give more faith with time. Preventing enemy form going over areas or damaging them keeps them generating faith.
What the fuck are you talking about

>>712610468
Marathon’s hook, is “Doom for intellectuals”, right?
That method of writing the lore and AI conversations in Marathon and Syetem Shock 1, those are gone.

People can’t write shit like that anymore, and then you have ask, “Well why can’t they? What changed?”, and that’s what the whole conversation devolves into.

When the average /v/ user is saying the Marathon characters look woke or ass, what are they actually saying? What are they disagreeing with artistically?

>>712610670
>>712610675
Kill yourselves trannies

>>712594918
what va would you explicitly enslave and what would you make them say?

>>712610495
Is this an AI

>>712590005 (OP)
its gonna le suck
>>712590103
this

>>712607461
Absolutely.
It's so low effort that simply teleporting them in would feel more authentic. Halo's ship deliveries were just mob delivery but it worked well in CE and others, these fake doors and INVISIBLE WALLS that only enemies can pass through are simply awful.

Bungie makes it a corporate cultural point not to "overdeliver" the guy who came up with that should be shot as a favor to the world

I FUCKING LOVE ALWAYS ONLINE FOR THE EXACT SAME FUCKING GAMEPLAY AS ALWAYS, ONLY I CANT EVER PLAY ALONE NOW I HAVE TO PRETEND IM BEING SOCIAL WHEN I JUST GET PISSED AT CHEATERS ALL DAY, JUST LIKE HALO WITHOUT THE FUCKING STORY ABOUT THE FUCKING GIANT HALO

>>712610716
>Marathon’s hook, is “Doom for intellectuals”, right?
It's probably perceived that way now, but it's hook was more "it's Doom for the Mac"

>When the average /v/ user is saying the Marathon characters look woke or ass, what are they actually saying? What are they disagreeing with artistically?
I'd say it's a lack of a certain energy. I won't say it's "testosterone" or "sex appeal" but whatever the character designs are lacking it is adjacent to those ideas. Drive. Intent. Thrust. Willpower. Killing intent. And so on.

>That method of writing the lore and AI conversations in Marathon and Syetem Shock 1, those are gone.
They are not popular. Out of style. But it's far from "gone".
Even some of Destiny 1's writing was on par with some of the better writing in Marathon.
It's just instead of in-game terminals it was sequestered away onto a phone companion app until it got copied to fan wikis.

>>712610670
Drugs that destroy minds are not medicine. They exist to pacify, subdue and degrade, so cowardly scum like you can compete.

Text is relevant to posts made too good for this thread.

You have nothing to offer, and shouldn't be looked to in improving the future. All want for others is for them to be under you.

>>712611485
>It's just instead of in-game terminals it was sequestered away onto a phone companion app until it got copied to fan wikis.
There was also the problem of a lot of the writing very clearly being gutted with Joe Staten being fired and the mid-production story rewrite.
So you have stuff like this
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/legend-the-black-garden
which hints at what the Traveler is, and it's mostly left un-revisited
unless they touch on it in later expansions, but I noped out before I could find out.

I don't know how Marathon is going to turn out
But I enjoyed the CG cinematic trailer and enjoy listening to this soundtrack. Been a fan of Son Lux for a while.
This is some evil music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WDRvs-IApc