They cornered the market that makes the most money. How did they do it? Why was Japan asleep at the wheel?

ZZZisters how did we let WuWa win?

>>712681098 (OP)
>Catter to your audience
>Win
As simply as that

>>712681098 (OP)
Japan has reached its technical limits and has stagnated and is in decline

>>712681098 (OP)
Japan can't into zoomer content, only into content for 40 year old boomers with Mario cart

>>712681098 (OP)

>>712681098 (OP)
Isn't ZZZ a flop tho, like only H3 and GI carry the company

>>712686016
so honkai star rail (a game that mihoyo has largely forgotten about) made more than everything on this list in april

>>712686162
>Isn't ZZZ a flop tho
Only in /v/eddit's retarded eyes. It brings in a ton of money just not as much as GI or HSR.

>>712681098 (OP)
Japs literally cannot publish anything outside of jap properly. They're still in that decade old Japan first, shaft other servers and only care about the Jp audience mentality.
Cn and KR have synced servers on day 1 for their gacha games.
That's why you will never see a JP gacha that does well internationally because they're complete wusses

>>712687109
>That's why you will never see a JP gacha that does well internationally
pokemon tcg has been raping all gooky chink gacha all year long

>>712687682
makes sense its published by the american branch not the Jappys.

>>712686204
On Mobile.

Genshin makes more across all platforms. ZZZ is a far third behind the other two. If you go by recent CN numbers it was something like

Genshin $600m for 2024
Star Rail $550 for 2024
ZZZ $200m for 2024

Admittedly ZZZ came out midway through the year but still behind the other two.

>how did they do it
they made an actual playable game instead of pngs sliding around a screen like 99% of jap gacha.
Is the game good? no, no, FUCK no, but it's a game, all the same, and people want to feel slightly engaged. Even women, look at LADS.

>>712689759
>they made an actual playable game

>>712681098 (OP)
Japan in general still attempts to do gacha with very low production values. They never seemed to jump on board AAA production level for Gacha games and seem to see them as needing to be cheap.

>>712686016
HOW THE FUCK IS FGO STILL ALIVE
JUST FUCKING DIE ALREADY
AAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

Quick question guys does anyone have any games like some of the jap games where you can “date” the waifus or have revealing skins that are western? I know there’s big ones like kings throne that does it or some mafia games

>>712691413
its almost like people like jp media far more than chinky gooky slop or something
just like funko bot and mario, why play the cheap copy pretending to be high quality when you can just play superior jp media?

So are all the blonde desert babes american and all the urbanites ching chong asians?

>>712691561
Bump.

>>712686162
ZZZ, HSR, and Genshin rubberband around the top 20, they're always absurdly profitable but they share the same buyers who only have so much money so the money they'd make in one game, sometimes goes to another game from the same people

>>712691561
No, it's treated as immoral by western studios to do it, or grooming

>>712691413
FGO will always be fucking hilarious to me
>insanely grindy and borderline-unplayable on launch, to the point that the devs themselves have come forward and expressed disbelief on the fact that the game survived past the first six months
>shovelware-tier story that trickles out with a story release once every six months, which only picks up when Nasu stops jacking off to giantess porn for long enough to realize that the house is on fire
>worst rates on the market relative to other major gachas at the time, like Dokkan Battle
>massive success in spite of everything
>is now one of the more reasonable gachas, because the takeaway from FGO's success is that you can fuck over and neglect players as much as you want and the piggies will still line up for more

>>712692220
FGO walked so FEH and Genshin could run
It blows my fucking mind that FEH is not only still going, it's still making money.

>>712686016
I ask this genuinely, why do people spend real money on virtual trading cards?

>>712681098 (OP)
Japan is famous for being slow to adapt and innovate. Their culture is incredibly stagnant. They're still living off the highs of the 80s and gaming/anime culture of the 90s. I imagine Korea and China will quickly take over vidya culture in the coming decades as crusty boomers in Japan hold all the decision making power.

>>712681098 (OP)
what i dont understand is how the fuck china outdid japan in animation of anime characters in games. i cant be the only one that hates how STIFF anime characters feel in japanese games. literally all games are yandere simulator tier. while ZZZ has such fantastic animations i cant believe it.

>>712683412
Ju FUfu more like DUMB FUFU

>>712692735
Japan is slow as shit to adopt change. It's why the "HD" Era of games pretty much destroyed them because none of them were ready for that transition. I would say that they are still struggling with stuff like animation as well.
You can see that with their gacha too since part of the reason why Tribe 9 or whatever died in a few months is because they tried to copy Hoyo's system while not understanding why Hoyo's system kind of works.

>>712692430
its unironically cheaper than real trading cards thanks to scalpers

>>712692220
>Nasu stops jacking off to giantess porn
Giantess vore, excuse you.

I dropped it around LB6-7, as soon as Ordeal Call was announced, I lost all interest in the story, I am still very interested in the ending though.

>>712692931
Weird cope to pretend NOT spending gorillions on pointless gwaphics is a bad thing, AAA money wasting is what is raping hoyoslop to death.

>>712692735
Pretty sure young people in Japan just don't give a shit about anime and games. So nobody new is entering the industry. Name a japanese game director that isn't some old fart who got famous in the 90s or 00s

>>712693091
that (((journos))) stopped shilling directors because new blood doesnt bend over to westoid sensibilities doesnt mean they dont exist anon
basically most of the industry is 30 and under now

>>712693287
Yet you didn't name one.
>muh jews
Anime and games are more cucked and censored than ever.

Whites, and by whites I mean (((fellow whites))) who run the credit card monopoly forced them to. Jews hate beauty. Japan was safe for a time until jewish investment spread into the country. Now Japs are taking migrants and Islam is exploding. Jews feared the samurai. Now they fear the Jurchen spearman.

Hail China. If you don't agree, you're a faggot; and by that I do not mean 'you are someone I dislike and do not respect', no I mean you are literally a fudgepacking homosexual because that's the west's primary export these days. If you cheer America, Britain, Germany or France, you support sodomy. I can't possibly imagine how you can rationalize that this isn't how it works.

>>712681098 (OP)
Being an ally of America is fatal.

>>712693379
>Anime and games are more cucked and censored than ever.
Fanservice increased exponentially since gooks got cucked on their kadokawa takeover plan anon.
The fuck are you on about.

>>712692585
And Chinks still chunk out PS2-tier 3D cartoons adapted from tons of wuxia/xianxia, what's your point?

>>712692994
Yes but they are not real.
You don't need to buy trading cards at all actually

>>712681098 (OP)
>Why was Japan asleep at the wheel?
They have FATE and Horsegirls.

>>712692735
the animations are top tier. what tools do they even use

>>712681098 (OP)
Japan
>cucked by the West
Europe
>cucked by America
America
>cucked by Israel

>market that makes the most money has the shittiest games

>>712694249
In the trailer they still use those weird 'weeb-like' animations where the characters swing around a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d17pewXhrI8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FQ3sTp3fdU

>>712686016
>pokemon
>naruto
>gundam
>fate
damn it's all 20+ year old franchises. where is the new shit?

>>712695082
Japan cannot create anymore.

>>712690738
Japan is shackled by american culture which prohibits high production games with attractive women

>>712691753
yeah, it's set in the future

>>712692931
oh nice anon. i never thought about it but youre right their transition into HD era has been shit. been playing a bunch of shit from ps3 era on emulator and my fuck neptunia and shit is soooooo bad looking def not hd at all. the difference between a japanese ps3 game and ps2 game is just resolution lmao.

>>712694249
its insane how awful japanese animations are compared to that for example. look how the rope just sticks by her heel instead of flaling around or clipping. theres virtually 0 clipping happening

>>712692220
>is now one of the more reasonable gachas
I remember when the rates seemed pantsu on head retarded. I did some quick searching of games I see all the time on /v/ and it seems like industry standard now is sub 1% to 2% factoring pity for SSR, and I know like Fate you really want dupes on some of these game's characters.

>>712694565
compare what you posted to any japanese games trailer shown at summer games fest or w.e. it is called. look how the arms and hands morph for the camera. the only japanese game i can think of that does this is dragon ball fighterZ

Any decent looking gacha coming out in the 2nd half of 2025? I only play 2 gacha games. ZZZ and BD2. Tried wuwa but didn't like it.

>>712681098 (OP)
The bent the knee to the "modern audience".

>>712695717
There is so many gacha in development that it is hard to keep track of at this point. The only thing I'm really watching is Ananta and that doesn't even have a date.

>games as employment
soulless

>>712694565
compare this to the gacha shit japan is releasing where its essentially a moving jpeg. yugioh master duel summon "animations" are a great example of what i mean. they are YEARS behind. but i guess in the 90s instead of printing money like USA did in 08 they just decided to stop and it stagnated them in so many ways. populations, youth, culture, marriage, video games, movies.

What has japan created in the last 15 years that blew everyone away? elden ring? sure but that was them refining the same game (demons souls) for over a decade and reusing assets etc im talking about a fresh thing. you cant name one.

>>712695879
last thing i enjoyed coming out of japan was overlord, mob psycho, one punch man, gundam build fighters... so a decade+ old franchises? youre right

>>712695961
>overlord,
beats me how anyone enjoyed that retarded crap

>>712695879
brother are you seriously implying this chink slop isnt also recycling and ripping off already existing this? there's not a sincle iota of originality in anything mihoyo has ever made

>>712696069
desu last 2 seasons were awful

>>712696079
What's ZZZ copying?

>>712681098 (OP)
So which good news are gonna drop for japan and otaku within the next 12 hours that there's another uptick of antijapan demoralization propaganda out of the blue, again?

>>712695879
>What has japan created in the last 15 years that blew everyone away?
You're implying ZZZ actually blows everyone's mind away with their animations?

>>712696079
you may be right but at that point we can just admit everything is built on other things. futurama on simpsons and star trek before it etc.

everything is derivative of something. but at least chinkslop has the intgrity to at least put effort in which i cant say about japanese games

>>712696153
burnice trailer has more sovl in it than anything japan shat out in past decade in similar genre (gacha)

>>712696168
>integrity
>makes three fucking gachas in a row

Is there a word that is the complete opposite of 'integrity'?

>>712695879
>compare this to the gacha shit japan is releasing where its essentially a moving jpeg
dunno anon, to me it sounds like gookies are starting to shit their pants over the new wave of jp gacha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXrKyow9L94

>>712696237
this. find me ONE trailer for a character from japan that has as good ass hoping as burnice does in her trailer where shes squatting

>>712695676
Games like Genshin and ZZZ have SSRs that are straight-up useless unless you've rolled 4+ copies past the first.
FGO at least had the courtesy of giving you full usage of the unit on the first drop, extra copies just make it easier to farm with their NPs. WuWa doesn't even let you participate in the fucking game past a certain point unless you pay up.

>>712696237
>perhaps the most embarrassing thing ever put to motion
>sovl

the gachafag standards are this low huh

>>712695854
Ananta is never coming out. The small tech clip they released as an announcement was all just in response to other devs showing stuff off.

Like “Hey we have big games in development too. Please invest in us.”

>>712696330
i want to cum in caesars shoes

>>712696436
NTE will flop

>>712696262
they couldve easily just not hired animators to make it great looking and made JPEGs

>>712696237
https://youtu.be/L02aPFAhTCk?si=fmGrnc7gLIRmmhsj

So are all desert faction women American and all the city dwellers nip nong ching chongs?

>>712696552
see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGgcO6QMOOo for my point

>>712696420

seething

>>712696237
>Literal tiktok brainrot made into a gachaslop trailer.
>Soul.
Why is it impossible for gooky chinks to not give people secondhand embarrassment?
I miss when chink culture meant generic wuxia shit and not literal goddamn tiktok.

>>712696610
i already answered you!!!

>>712696374
>WuWa doesn't even let you participate in the fucking game past a certain point unless you pay up.
Yeah. WuWa is getting pretty bad with their shit. This isn't even accounting for the fact you need her weapon and a whole different limited character as well.
>>712696501
NTE straight out saying there is going to be no pandering is the same as the developers just shooting themselves in the head.

>>712696330
>goyslop shorts instead of panties on the girl
why is china so cucked?

>>712696639
u know tiktok is chinese right? its literally their culture. maybe be more cultured urself and ull be able to enjoy modern tech art

>>712696639
This

You know it's absoltue cultural defeat when the only way China can appeal to the rest of the wold is by copying western or japanese aesthetics. Whenever they try showing their 'culture' in games its an embarrassing mess, like that bitch who sings like a strangled cat from Genshin

>>712696374
reminder

>>712696627
jesus christ that fate go trailer japan is still stuck in fucking 2000s with the ps2 moving images gameplay say what you want about chinese shit but at least theyre trying which is more than we can say about japan

>>712696708
>NTE straight out saying there is going to be no pandering
sauce

>>712696262
'Jewish'

>>712696501
Who cares about that? Does pointing out the truth about Ananta mean you have to deflect to something else? Just face it anon if they actually had something they would have shown more by now.

>>712693781
yes but gacha bitches are not real
you don't need to buy gacha bitches at all actually

>>712696627
lol
lmao
MGSV's failure of a game still has a better trailer than that tik tok bait.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL4ZxDWLwpM

>>712696835
>You MUST spend gorillions on pointless graphics, especially now after moore's law is dead and UE5 is making even normalfags say they prefer aesthetics over realism.
Why are gooks like this?

>>712696297
>milking another 15 year old franchise
where is the new shit?

>>712696708
Never understood why anyone would waste time getting copies in WuWa or Genshin. Nothing in the overworld is hard, and the currency you get from the weekly challenge content (the only place that provides a modicum of challenge) won't reimburse your invest for literal years.

>>712696627
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L02aPFAhTCk

There is NOTHING Mihoyo will ever make that will ever come even close to this

>>712697369
They do though.
By hiring the same studio to do their PV.
https://youtu.be/_OUWtPhDQpk?si=SkkaZvBhULcXwFps

When the fuck is the genshin anime coming out? It's been like 2 years alresdy

>>712697297
>Give me new shit!
Have China and Korea had nothing that actually lasts for 15 years?

>>712697462
>gooks know they are inferior so they just pay superior japan to fix their shit
grim
when are gooks going to get real homegrown talent?

>>712697596
no lmao, they just move from FOTM to FOTM consooming like mindless drones
the closest you can get to that is ROTK or the monke journey tale and even then the only reason people know of those are because of dynasty warriors and dragon ball respectively

>>712697369
>4fps animations
WOOOOOOOOOOOW SUCH SOUL AMIRITE ANONS!!?!?

>>712697328
I rolled for C3R1 Raiden because i had a lot of gems and i wanted her as main DPS instead of support, but that was a long time ago and even back when i played Fontaine she was falling off already, i presume she must be useless by now, but still the constellations let me get more mileage out of her.

>>712697615
Have you looked at anime credits recently? They're absolutely littered with chink and gook studios these days

>>712697676
I believe Gooks did make Maple Story.
But you know, they probably can't advertize it as a successful game or post 'animation trailers'.

>>712697841
>The most notoriety gooks and chinks can get is being literal slaves in one of the most gruesomely overworking industries on the planet, even rivaling niggers picking cotton.
>All while JP authors reap all the money.
Thanks I guess?

>>712697856
you mean the game that irreparably ruined the entire MMO genre with their grindy bullshit?

>>712696814
>literal feminists caused an anticipated character getting utterly shit and nerfed
Tell me more.

>>712692430
just remember
every time you argue about game prices going up
every time you argue about video game DRM in single player games
or shady microtransactions
there is an entire industry based around games that have terrible gameplay that exist just to sell skins, and it makes more money than the entire rest of the industry combined.

>>712698230
Dehya got hyped up for almost 2 months in both the game itself through the story and in hoyo marketing.
But wokies didn't like her because she wasn't a literal nigger, she was just tan, not even to the point of looking like a jeet.
So they intentionally nerfed her to shit, which is absurd in a game already known at the time for their rampant powercreep to pump and dump the newest FOTM waifu character.

>>712698382
How do you know this? I imagine they didn't do a press release saying "Yeah we decided to brick her for being hot".

>cornered the market
Doesn't that one fuckboy game make like 100x more than every other gatcha because of insane women?

>>712690565
>parryslop

>>712698513
>How do you know this?
Leaks that have been floating around the genshit community.
They have a massive leaker problem that they haven't been able to solve since launch, the entire playerbase basically most of the inner workings at hoyo.
The only exception is the original honkai 3 team which is both fairly small (less leak vectors) and surprisingly secretive.

>>712694249
I mentioned several times in jap games threads how their models and animations look cheap compared to those in chn gachas. They Say single player anime games don't make money unless they are gacha

>>712686016
False tendie chart

>>712698642
Consolidation. It's the same as Marie rose being very popular in doa because she is they only one with a small chest

>>712698794
>already coping
https://revenue.ennead.cc/revenue
does shart rail utterly shitting the bed right before the FSN collab really hurt chinkies that much?

>>712698970
Tendie detected opinion discarded

troon thread

>>712697676
japs are the ones with fotm syndrome. look at how they hop from one cygames gacha to another leaving the old one behind in ruins.

>>712698709
Anon you don’t know shit if you think HI3 doesn’t have leaks. Hoyo just never went after leakers for HI3.

>>712699038
You cannot still be seething after yesterday's anal gaping, man. It is not healthy.

>>712681098 (OP)
>why was Japan asleep at the wheel?

>Nintendo forcing actual Japanese devs to produce low-budget slop that's compatible with their slop hardware
>relying on anime branding IP to make easy money
>all of their other non-anime IP gacha are 2D low-production slop that doesn't bother to cater to an international audience
Simple as that.

>>712692430
Cheaper to play
Can play against someone any time you want.

>>712698794
>Battle Cats
IM ALIVE
IM ALIVE
IT IS DRAMATIC WITH JUST THAT

>>712686016
>>712698970
>Star rail losing HALF it's fucking revenue.
What happened?

>>712681098 (OP)
Something something extreme workaholic culture

>>712681098 (OP)
i dont like zzz
find it boring and too much menus
will stay on genshin

>>712699357
they started to listen to trannylators and started changing plot points and character personalities
now the story and lore is a complete nonsensical mess when it already was pretty weak

>>712699425
>playing in english dub
You deserve shit

>>712698970
>FSN collab
It's a nothingburger.
It's not like they actually use super popular characters like Kama or Oberon.

>>712696773
>their culture
You arent fooling anyone chink.

>>712699489
>He thinks it's just a trannylation problem in the EN trannylation and dub now.
Oh boy.
Do you remember all the fearmongering over trannylators taking complete creative control of JP games?
Well do I have news to tell you about from where was that projecting from.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzBibHtN0dU

>>712699357
Anniversary update encouraging spending -> not anniversary update.

>>712699425
Hoyo will never listen to US idiots on the plot. If you want to complain about plot, the shit is just retreading Elysian Realm + Previous Era in HI3. So it’s kind of nostalgia bait for HI3 players yet at the same time as an HI3 player it feels kind of empty too.

>>712698642
It's a big fish in a little (or rather, murky) pond. It doesn't have any competition, but then again nobody knows how big the gacha market for women can get, so it rakes up all of the money with a untapped playerbase that doesn't get much of anything else that directly caters to them.
But seeing what happened to its sister game, Infinity Nikki, it seems as though Publishers are still trying to navigate what makes a successful gacha game for women. Nikki did well initially, but probably not well enough for long-term financial stability to justify its open-world gameplay, hence the company doing everything they can to kill it as quickly as possible. Clearly, they wanted Genshin/LADs-tier money from it, and they didn't get it.

>>712699425
>now the story and lore is a complete nonsensical mess when it already was pretty weak
The Genshin format just isn't sustainable as a long-term live service game. Eventually all of the character roster bloat and region-jumping comes back to bite them in the ass.

>>712699854
>The Genshin format just isn't sustainable as a long-term live service game.
Why?
Isn't it like an MMO?

>>712692735
Depends on what you mean, but Chinkslop looks way too loose to me, everything is bouncing around and they can't just sit on strong keyframes which is why they don't have iconic moves and end up having to copy poses and animations from Japanese characters.
Chinkslop Vergil clones are practically an entire character archetype and none of them have the same presence as Southworth's mocap.

>>712699854
Infinity Nikki or rather the whole Nikki series is from the same devs as that game.

>>712699940
It's a single player game that is handled like an MMO: the story and each region is released piece by piece.

>>712698642
The numbers on those pictures are entirely made up, nobody knows exactly how much money these games generate.
And it's only counting the mobile market ignoring consoles, PC and sales through the games own website.

>>712699940
NTA but the genshit format relies on basically releasing a BOTW every 4 months or less and tricking players into literally playing a single player MMO with all the grind that entails.
Not only it requires constant new characters to sell, it also requires constant new regions to explore and do shit in, which takes a fuckton of budget to the point by now genshit has costed hoyo far more than concord did snoy.
The problem with this is the game at some point becomes too big to fit on most phones, and people start to get tired of 80GB updates every 2-4 months, so they quietly drop the game.
The absurd rate of new characters also means constant writing about factions and whatnot, which inevitably bloats the lore, which makes people lose interest.

Funnily enough the JP gacha gooks and chinks love to whine about don't have this problem, as making up a background arena for a new event, a few sprites and VA work is exponentially cheaper than basically coding a new BOTW sequel.
And while yes, they can get grindy like FGO, it's never to the point of artifact grinding on hoyoslop, not even close.
The genshit format basically demands the game to become your second job because otherwise they dopn't get enough player retention to last the time needed to develop a new zone or country.
Meanwhile normal traditional JP gacha is designed for salarymen to play on the train or on their smoke break, it's quick and simple and the grind comes long term and even then you can just pay to skip the grind, while you can't pay to skip artifact farming on hoyoslop, you can only pay to get more stamina to keep grinding.

>>712699940
Unlike an MMO where you get your customizable character and stick to a class you like for a number of years, open-world gachas like Genshin have dozens of characters with unique playstyles, and these characters are always getting periodically shafted and outclassed for the next big meta-waifu.
But this type of character-shafting is completely antithetical to the waifu-oriented coomerbait appeal that makes gacha games so popular in the first place.
tl;dr - it doesn't feel good when a waifu you really like gets shafted out of the meta AND the plot for the next replacement meta waifu. Eventually there's so many bloated characters thrown into the game that the plot becomes a completely fucking pointless mess as a result.
>>712700440
Not even going to mention what this anon said in regards to the insane production budgets and phone/GB space these games require to expand on their open worlds.

>>712700054
Yes, that's why I referred to Infinity Nikki as a "sister game" to LADs. Same company. They clearly destroying Nikki from the inside-out because the CEOs are pissed it isn't making LADs-tier money.

>>712681098 (OP)
You just keep pushing this since Burnice was revealed, but I have never met someone who plays this game.

>>712700440
>>712700576
>FGO's 2D gameplay and visual novel style actually keep it alive far better than semi-open world games on phone
Huh
That makes more sense I suppose

Help, he's going to fuck my asshole

>>712700440
>they can get grindy like FGO, it's never to the point of artifact grinding on hoyoslop
nah, thats cap. Arti grind you get shafted and get to a point its useless to grind more for 1 to 2% dmg increase
on top of it, the only place it matters is on Abyss and theater, aka normies dont give a shit about it
Grub is still releasing new raids on top of the shit Guild Wars gameloop, now THATS second job (maybe life) levels of grinding

also, this right here is bs >>712698230 and headcanon
>But wokies didn't like her because she wasn't a literal nigger, she was just tan, not even to the point of looking like a jeet.
>So they intentionally nerfed her to shit, which is absurd in a game already known at the time for their rampant powercreep to pump and dump the newest FOTM waifu character.
western twitter crowd complained for months, hoyo just ignored western opinions like they always did and moved on
they didnt nerfed her cause she was hot or her skin color, the whole company was on leave for Golden Week, THE FIRST Golden Week after lockdowns
without mandatory distancing, people could go freely to the countryside again, they nerfed her and left for holidays then when everyone came back they were too late on the schedule to fix her numbers
the higher ups decided to throw her on the standard and move on with the schedule

>>712701780
He's an archer so he has powerful fingers. His prep game is insane so you don't have to worry.

>>712701421
FGO is only still alive because of the Fate brand and sunk cost. No one would play it otherwise.

>>712699357
Hi3 wank
TB is irrelevant because yuritrannies panicked when the femc talked to some male character

The games that make the most money are the ones you haven't even heard of.
I'm surprised ZZZ is so high and wuwa & BA aren't even in the top 50 considering their popularity

>>712702191
I feel like BA fell because of Nikke, Nikke has better 2dlive and on top of that the girls are voiced, and their idle gameplay has the girls not in chibi format during combat, it's like it has more charm, see Syuen

>>712683412
Can't wait to roll for her
also let me switch main story character

>>712702191
blue archive main character cant get implied waifus with their school theme, even if fans like to ship, that will cut their winnings

>>712683412
Almost every action Jufufu takes ends with her ass in your face. Shame I don't really like her gameplay, unless it changes before she releases.

>>712702191
>get told zzz will EOS within a year
>get told its doing awful and is one of the lowest perfoming gachas
>34th most profitable
huh?

>>712702474
>get told
by who company in/v/estor?

>>712699659
This guy is just a TVfag whining and crying that ZZZ making the best improvements it ever could have significantly improved it's reputation and overall success instead of the boring shit only his 2% of the playerbase liked.

>>712702693
TV Mode was bad, but I don't like the change in the story telling.

>>712702191
>Genshin making more overall than HSR
>PUBG in second place
>ZZZ there at all
>Nikki, Wuwa and Blue Archive nowhere to be seen
Christ

>>712702780
Story telling change is far better from before. While some old moments were cool, I tuned out and lost interest before. But 1.4 and onward were awesome, fun and hype as hell for me. I'm loving 2.0 so far, too.

>>712702693
we'll never get something like the prophecy quest ever again

Only chinese can be shameless enough to cater to gooners

>>712702876
You sound like a shill.

>>712702935
nta but I think 2.0 revived my interest in the game. Am I a shill too?

>>712702935
Why? Cause I like what you don't like?

>>712701421
you have to keep in mind at the end of the day it's a phone game
while the novelty of a full fledged 3d open world with LE GWAPTHIXSSS is impressive to normalfags short term, they will lose interest long term once the rest of their normalfag friends drop the game one by one
there's 2 types of gacha that make it long term
first, those that hook the players with the story and characters while having enough gameplay to not make neurons fall asleep (FGO, and to a lesser extent arknights)
and second, those that are aware they are phone games and simply give you bite-sized simple gameplay for people to come back to it occasionally (FEH, azur lane, kantai, etc)
genshit style open world games are kind of a sinking boat, it just so happens that for the last 5 years or so the constant hype cycles and normalfag cattle behavior were enough to actually bucket out the water faster than it comes into the ship
until now that is, for whatever reason 2 months ago the open world gacha bubble popped and their revenue started to hemorrhage badly

>>712681098 (OP)
Burnice is the biggest AGP bait I've ever fucking seen.

>>712702989
If you think the story from 1.6, 1.7 and 2.0 are good, then yes.

>>712681098 (OP)
>Invent anime
>China does it better
How embarrassing.

>>712702191
AKbros we eating good

>>712703027
no cause you shit up numbers like "2%"
ZZZ will be the first hoyo game to hit eos cause they cater to retards like you who cant solve simple puzzles or cant sit 1 minute without muh dopamine

>>712702870
Wuwa was ruined by low effort pandering and aggressive shilling unironically

>>712702274
Yes, but it was a double stab that killed BA.
The first was nikke, but the second one was nexon shafting their lead writer and artist in their retarded corporate civil war.

>>712703302
This is what Kodaka did with Danganronpa, he stole the artist and bso guy and now he is making not danganronpa while people are mad they will never get the original one ever again

>>712703149
Yeah, yeah. I'm sure you'll still be be here a year from now screeching the same thing come 3.0, you salty faggot. Meanwhile, I'll still be enjoying the game.

>>712703419
3 ruined Danganronpa anyway. I wish I never played it.

Never played a chink game, don't plan on it, but I think the true answer is just Indonesians and Flips and etc. getting internet access along with the Chinese aping the already popular Japanese style of anime while making everything "free"
Of course they're all gachas, but that's what Asian people are genetically susceptible to (gambling, pachinko, gachapon, etc)
So you combine China finally putting their 1 gorillion people together to make something, increased adoption by bottom feeder SEA types that act as free advertisement when they flooded the internet, and Japan coincidentally being tricked too badly into westernizing by the heavy increase of US globohomoism in the 2010s for the perfect storm for this to happen

>>712703731
China is going to make more "normal" games too. Wukong was just the beginning.

>>712703952
i really hope they make a wuxia/xianxia rpg
that blows every chart

>>712690565
>I'm super autistic so that means there's no gameplay
OKAY.jpg

>>712703731
>Chinese aping the already popular Japanese style of anime while making everything "free"
Just letting you know Chinese and South Koreans hire the Japanese Artists to do the work including the VA for Subs. Without them China and South Korea would not be charting at all.

>>712692735
>>712694249
Now post the animation in the hub world when you're speaking to NPCs. Why can't they extend the same effort with the activity you spend the most time on? Belle/Wise don't even fucking turn toward the character they're speaking to, if you don't aim them properly before hitting the input button

>>712703731
>and Japan coincidentally being tricked too badly into westernizing
this is literally a problem only with SE, crapcom and sega, and even then they already were westaboos even before that
the real problem is (((journos and ecelebs))) gave up on recommending JP games due to their antijapan racism

>>712704264
>Why can't they extend the same effort with the activity you spend the most time on?
Because that would take actual effort and tiktok/jewtube monkeys are not going to clap over that.
Small indie company, please understand.

>>712704232
I did not know that but that makes even more sense now

>>712704345
>Small indie company, please understand.
that joke aint funny anymore

>>712703105
China will NEVER surpass early 2000s ecchi anime. NEVER. Because they can literally never show a nipple

>>712681098 (OP)
They kept focussing on mobile and didn't once consider Gaccha could be brought to consoles and PC with action gameplay.

>>712703041
I'd also argue that 3D gacha games with smaller casts of characters are more likely to have extended lifespans beyond a 1-2 year breaking point too, as they result in significantly less story bloat for players and developers alike.
Example being: it doesn't feel good having your waifu with your favorite playstyle get outclassed and forgotten by a new waifu in a Genshin-like gacha, but it does feel rather nice when your favorite waifu gets a new unlockable playstyle and a story update to go along with it, like in HI3 or PGR.

>>712703105
China won't become a respected game developer market/industry until they drop some of their short-term minded gacha liveservice addiction bullshit for more serious and console/PC-oriented projects like Wukong.

>>712704264
It's not really a valid complaint when Japanese games are just as bad if not worse about the same thing. Also how fucking animated do you want characters to be while they're talking? How many gestures do YOU make on average when talking to something? Probably not very many.

>>712681098 (OP)
>Play korean gacha
>The characters have live 2D models
>The designs are distinct from each other
>The women have ass
>Play chinese gacha
>The character have 3D models
>The designs are distinct from each other
>The women have ass
>Play japanese gacha
>The characters have pngs
>The designs are only ever distinct because the game has 50 different character artist and zero consistency in art style
>Most of the women don't have ass. And even if they do you'll never see it in game because they're only forward facing pngs
Classic japanese mentality of never improving anything as long as it works "good enough" and then getting blown the fuck out by competitors

>>712704573
WuWa is more-or-less meant to be played on PC thanks to its combat.
But yeah, China's obsession with gacha and the freemium mobile market is getting out of hand, and that entire industry is bound to collapse soon.
They need to start focusing on consoles, PC, and purchasable single-player games.

>>712683412
made for BWC

>>712704879
And yet JP gacha last forever like FGO while chinky and gooky gacha fall off after a while unless they find a meme niche like AK with their schizo audience.
It's almost like gooky chinks can only do style over substance, and that has no long term stay or something.

japan is just embarassing when it comes to 3d anime games
just look at the recent atelier yumia and runefactory
sad!

>>712705071
>Producing low effort content is easy and can on indefinitely compared to trying to innovate
That's not the own you think it is

>>712702780
I actually laughed when the 2.0 faction just randomly and outright said they knew MC was phaethon. It is funny seeing how big the difference is with 1.0, where it was suppose to be a big secret only a few people knew. Now nobody cares anymore, including MC.
>TV Mode was bad
The idea could have worked, but they just treated it as cheap way to add some filler. If they made unique backgrounds and short bursts of unique gameplay, it would probably been better received. Instead, they just reused the same boring tiles while constantly stopping you for tutorials or story delivered in the most boring way. And the shitty TV event showed that the devs themselves are incapable of understanding what would make TVs fun, so better it's removed.

Even Japanese gacha players known that their games are absolute dogshit these days. Like you have to be beyond a fucking weeb to actually think otherwise.
Want proof? Just watch this video with subtitles on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g65GedpcMzU

>>712705320
China has never innovated a single thing. It's all repackaging with a shiny cover for low iq idiots.

>>712705320
mindlessly (badly) copying BOTW and nier tomato is not "innovating"
neither is copying rollslop

>>712705480
If JP games are so bad why did the pokemon gacha rape every chinky gook without even trying?

>>712705480
They are dogshit, nobody's doubting that - but you can't deny that Chinese gacha games fall into a lot of bad pitfalls which result in ridiculous developer budgets and sudden, massive burnout phases for their players.
As others have already said, the Genshin open-world format just isn't sustainable. It's an over-bloated cashgrab meme.

>>712705480
the entire world is going to shit because the old folks are on power too long, reject progress and only end up caring for numbers instead of people.

>>712695138
younger kids dont buy shit and melt their brains on tiktok or some shit

>>712681098 (OP)
Residual re min d er

>>712704879
>Characters are distinct in Korean and Chinese games!
Lol. Lmao even.

>>712705556
Anon learns what brand recognition is for the first time.
You could slap the "Pokemon" or "Dragon Ball" name on any slop and it'll make millions. Doesn't make it good quality.
Are you an investor? if not, I have no idea why your concern is how much money the game is making, instead of whether or not it's a flash player game from 2005.

>>712705741
youre just admitting chinks and gooks can't make any recognizable and profitable brands lol
>but money isn't everything!
then you will be admitting gacha is shit when it's main selling point to try attack jp games is how much money they make
gooks and chinks lost, it's that simple

>>712695879
>What has japan created in the last 15 years that blew everyone away? elden ring?
1. lmao 'that doesn't count because SHUT UP!'
2. Splatoon. The Switch its self. Sekiro. Bombergirl is popular enough for the limited reach it has. Demon Slayer. Mob Psycho100.
etc.
do you faggots get tired of this force antijapan narrative?

>>712705483
>My gacha is actually a glorified visual novel.I don't need actual gameplay or animations. I'm so high IQ I can simply imagine what they would look like based on the text description
VIDEO game board by the way kek

Let's play a game. From what chinkshit is this "distinct" character from? The only way you'd know is if you're playing it.

>>712692735
Japan's main use for CG in anime has been for cutting corner for the longest time. Chink on the other hand use primarily CG for their donghua. Also they triumph over japan in term of population so naturally for every 1 skilled artist in japan there are other dozens in china working their ass off in their little labour concentration camp. Whether their slop has as wide reach as japanese media influence remain to be seen.

Whilst I dont play ZZZ watching people clear endgame content with free units and bad weapons is fascinating

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOrM-Nkei8c

>>712705951
Boy, you sure didn't even attempt to demonstrate any of those innovations and instead went straight to projection.

>>712705951
>animation
Don't you mean fade to black screen with text descriptions.

>>712705963
I'm guessing it's some brand of hoyoslop.

>>712706025
Oh you wanted the innovations? It's making a gacha game but actually giving slightly enough of a fuck to not just be png bullshit
Sorry I thought a high IQ faggot like yourself would have enough reading comprehension to pick up on that

>>712705963
Reskinned chink from the mandatory chink fleet/map from HSR. Idon't even need to play the game to know it.

>>712681098 (OP)
Japan is just weird man
They have cycles of innovation and of stagnation

Now they are buried in shit

>>712705963
Looks like a shart rail character.
I can at least tell you it's hoyoslop.
ZZZ whores are recognizable because they try to be le modern and trendy, genshit ones are recognizable because they are an overdesigned mess of medieval/wuxia designs, shart rail designs like this one tend to be LE FANTASY despite being supposedly a space scifi game.

What the FUCK did they do to the controller settings?
>Interact and confirm aren't the same button
>Can't even change the confirm button
>Evade is on fucking A and if changed, Interact now also becomes the new button.

>>712694249
>The hottest girl in each of the 3 big mihoyo games have strings gimmicks

Is it coincidence or a sign of a deeper phenomenon?

Scooby Dooby Doo, where are you?

>>712706328
Yeah it's retarded, feels like they didn't even playtest the game on controller. Also for some reason forbids you from putting it on left trigger, doesn't say what it conflicts with and there is no button that uses it. But you can throw the ability on left stick push, and then the old control scheme can be restored.

>>712681098 (OP)
I don't know how I can play the new Rune Factory after experiencing the kind of animations in the Hoyo games. Then again, Platinum Games stuff usualyl hold up decently animation wise.

ZZZ has fantastic animations in combat, but outside of combat there are none. Just dogshit visual novel scenes and white text on black screen. It's pathetic.

>>712706223
>>712706252
Lol no, that's from genshit. Not that anyone could tell. Chinkshit blurs into the same slop over time.

>>712681098 (OP)
>ZZZ
>Cornering anything
It's making less money than Wuwa, the game that /v/ shits on constantly and claims flopped.

>>712706868
>Lol no, that's from genshit.
No fucking way.
I demand fucking proof.

>>712706953
>It's making less money than Wuwa
see>>712702191

>>712695879
I play yugioh the last thing anyone wants a 5+ sec animation of a card being summoned

>>712706953
Shin when is not-Mavuika releasing?

>>712681098 (OP)
All gacha games are shit and are barely even video games. If you like waifus that's fine but you don't have to play a slot machine disguised as a video game. You can just look at the waifus

>>712707013
See >>712686016

>>712707032
but saar, if there's no constant pointless animations how will you feel your game is LE QUALITY?

>>712698659
>option to not use parry
>parryslop
shut of faggot every game has some sort of parry even turn based games.

>>712695879
>Beware The World To Come
The Switch
What a dumb fucking post

>>712703105
>literal pretendslop for losers who don't want to play a real video game and are rationalizing a gambling addiction
Have you seen any actual Chinese "anime," as in shows and comics? It's all soulless insectoid dogshit

>>712690565
This looks fire fr fr

>>712695879
>What has japan created in the last 15 years that blew everyone away?
The Switch
What a dumb fucking post.

>>712705963
The art style already said it's Genshin, how many people pretending to be retards here

>>712706969
It's the current character i think, named skirk

>>712707208
Yeah maybe if you're subhuman zoomoid nigger who's never played a game from more than five years ago

>>712707314
she is a nugget btw
make her arms and legs out of abyss energy

I'm glad that ZZZ caters to a variety of tastes

>>712705991
Chink hands typed this, name a single good donghua that anybody outside of Chinkna would care about

>parry
>zoomer
/v/ has fallen beyond bottom

>>712707194
says saar, but its how would you feel
stupid esl pc user most likely an indo dog

>>712707453
>pretending frame-perfect Royal Guard is the same as modern parryslop with gigantic parry window that a retarded monkey could do
You niggers are desperate, huh?

>>712707453
No zzzigger, your game is not literally Dmc

>>712707453
lol dmc has always been ass

This entire thread reads like some people chiming in their opinion and then a handful of SEA monkeys or chinks going "ACKSHULLY" and giving some useless information about a fucking mobile game no one in the 1st world gives a shit about.

>>712707534
>>712707541
>>712707569
nice goalpost moving maneuver

>>712706868
Really? I thought it was this chink but
>white
Color me surprised.

>>712706953
why do wuwaposters take so much offense at ZZZ even existing
all I see from you guys is salt and it really comes off as some sort of jealousy

>>712707764
Just search wuwa on jewtube. Every video is them or bought CC's comparing it to Genshin.
>wow, look at this 2024 game having better graphics than a 2020 one
And to the wuwajeets, I never even played GI so I don't care about it. Open world and gacha are a bad combo imo.

nah bruh my [chinkslop] is better than your [chinkslop] fr fr :skull:

>>712707848
>are a bad combo imo
i like genshin
but im a slow player too, was stuck 1 year on sumeru taking my with it
will take almost the same on fontaine, even if im done with the main quests on it already

cant bother with ohter gachas, their menu simulator gameplay bores me to death

>>712681098 (OP)
>Why was Japan asleep at the wheel?
I've heard coolstory tier shit that nipponese gachas just rely on (manga/anime/VN/game) brand power to keep things afloat and nothing else.

>>712707969
I can't even name a jap gacha that isn't based on existing IP

>>712707848
>Open world and gacha are a bad combo imo
This. I don't know how people can stand playing GI or wuwa. I tried both but it's just a slog long term

i scrolled through this entire thread so im posting this because nobody else would

>>712702438
Yeah I like my lolis as much as the next guy, her utility is great and all but her gameplay isn't really doing it for me, plus I already have m0w1 trigger. I just wish I'd skipped qingyi for her instead because qingyi has been perma benched forever since I skipped zhu and she isn't really that great in any other team comp.

>>712707969
Nips like their multimedia franchise.

>>712707969
It's not my fault gooks and chinks can't make a strong IP to make their gachas off from.
A decade from now on (hell, even maybe just 5) nobody will remember wuwa or all the genshit clones, but people still remember dragon ball today after like half a century at this point since it came out.
Hell, just 2B alone collabing with everything is proof enough gooks and chinks can't make long lasting IPs but yoko taro making random fap material designs because he was bored easily became timeless.

>>712708147
A true buttslut barfly.

>>712707651
>your pretend game is shit because it takes no skill and has slop mechanics
>OH YEAH WELL WHAT ABOUT THIS OTHER GAME FROM 20 YEARS AGO?

>>712708258
>Muh dragon ball
>Muh genshit
Touhou and kancolle are dead grandpa.

>>712708516
No one knows who this generic anime skank is

>>712708469
don't be so mad when getting laughed at

gook and chink gachatrash have given us sex, doro, and vidya butts. what has jap gacha produced with meme quality?

>>712708789
Vidya.

>doomposted for weeks
>end up easier than Red Pompey

>>712708789
>have given us sex
hoyoslop and genshit clones can't even show panties lmao, the goyslop shorts is the best you get

>>712708148
QingYi is perfect for Harumasa. I'm sure there will be another rupture/attacker that will pair well with her. Does Hugo?

>>712681098 (OP)
>How did they do it?
3.5 million STEM per year.

>>712681098 (OP)
From what I can tell, the issue with this lies in what kinds of products your company produces. If you're going to make live service games, you have to be willing to commit to it. A lot of Japanese and western live service games end up failing because the developers who make those games aren't willing to fully commit the next half-decade to those games. If you try to divide your company's resources between live service titles and single-purchase titles, one of the two is going to suffer. The majority of large Chinese video game devs make literally nothing BUT live service games. They're fully committed to it. But Japanese companies like Square-Enix aren't willing to devote 100% of their time, money, resources and staff to only making these kinds of games.

You might think that since Squeenix and Blizzard makes MMOs, they should be able to make these kinds of live service games as well. But that doesn't work. MMOs don't have regular significant updates every month or so. These sorts of continuous, regular update schedules stretched out over the course of an entire year are the bread and butter of games like this, and no Japanese company has successfully managed to do so on the same scale as what Chinese companies do.

>>712708553
And that a good thing to stay under radar despite being CN, everyone here have hate boner against hoyo for some reason, plus JP can't do 3d modeling so glory belongs to CN and KR.

>go to the movies with Anby
>someone's phone rings and they answer it
I thought there were no niggers in ZZZ

>>712681098 (OP)
uma musume global in 2 weeks for the japan gacha guys

With games reaching 80$ and inflation everywhere, who do you think will introduce new "industry standard" prices?

>>712706953
see
>>712702191
Didn't even hit the top 50 this year

I started this game because of the bangboos, I really like the small animations in fights they have, I wouldn't even be mad if we had an entirely bangboo game. Needs just more polish, I mean we even got a hammer in the latest patch and the mecha.

>>712692430
To play the game?

>>712708258
>It's not my fault gooks and chinks can't make a strong IP to make their gachas off from.
On one hand it's sorta true, they're pretty late to the party to become first to do some shit and become popular off that. On the other hand, such things as country of origin or developer company or publisher company or just individual people within production crew also carry decent amount of brand power and chinese and korean has bad time with that, compared to japanese.

>>712709620
Did you do the bangboo competitive event that was about a month ago? It was a copy of fall guys but still fun.

>>712709340
>plus JP can't do 3d modeling
to this day everyone still sucks off arcsys for pretty much perfecting faux2D 3D modeling and animating

>>712709620
Based

>>712681098 (OP)
Japanese companies are run by older people that have huge egos because if you're a senior at a company the younger people bellow your social rank will worship and respect you and tell you you're great and awesome and not a fucking retard cocksucker. It's why Japan got some "geniuses" like kojima just publicly sucking his own cock all the time.

>>712709758
I did, some fuckers bumped me off more than once at the last second. But still, I enjoyed it quite a lot.

>>712709620
Yeah, it was a smart move to make the cute mascot multiple creatures to summon for instead of one or two annoying cunts like in Genshin.

Who was you agent of the year? :3

>>712709842
Maybe those older people are right given JP gacha (pokemon TCG) keep consistently being the highest grossing gacha since it's release for very little investment.

>>712710243
Nicole

>>712710270
Nice! :3

>>712710243

>>712710479
How is buffed Ellen? Miyabi is my only Ice DPS unless I bother to learn Soukaku. Might grab her on a rerun unless there is an Ice Rupture agent that is cool.
>>712710559
I hope Lucy is in 2.1. She knows Alice.

>>712710559
A thousand+? What the actual fuck?

>>712710703
I don't even know how to be honest, but Lucy was basically in all my teams until Astra release

>>712710871
>gets replaced by teenage virgin
oh no no janefags

>>712710248
That's just because it's pokemon and the physical TCG is constantly selling out already

>>712708893
The whole controversy was hilarious, and now the same people refuse to cover it or even discuss it
>The game is TOO HARD
>The HP is TOO MUCH
>If they make this new mechanic, the game will be IMPOSSIBLE
>New boss comes out, easier than normal, even A rank teams can beat it comfortably
>No I refuse to cover it, its a sweaty tryhard gacha

Imagine getting filtered by a fucking gacha game

>>712711014
Wake me up when Alice have half the swag Jane does.

>>712711321
I'm glad I don't watch any of these retards, because this is the first time I read about any "controversy"

pic unrelated but the last event had an amazing cutscene as a reward

>>712687109
Japan would nuke themselves right now if they could.

>>712709620
they're the best hoyo mascot

Thy are going to give this abortion a complete redesign right?

Hey Mihoyo. I know you're reading this. Why not you stop trying to genshify Honkai Impact? It's pretty clear your genshitters would never play an edgy galgame and yet you still try to gentrify it like HSR and Genshit anyway.

>>712713597
HI3 died at Part 2, move on already.

>>712713890
Part 2 killed HI3 because Mihoyo wanted to rehabilitate its name for normalfags, which is the complete antithesis of what the game stood for. It was a vanity reboot project made for no one. It is honestly really insulting.

Where do people even post art nowadays?

>>712681880
by removing tv mode

>>712714332
>ZZZ removes TV mode
>Wuwa adds TV mode
makes ya think

>>712714013
Yep. I have no idea why anyone liked HI3 would still be around after Part 2, especially after how shit all the new character designs are.

>>712683412
This little bitch better get lots of animated porn

Welp, they powercrept Deadly Assault.
You DID 9-star it back when it was easier to pull off, right? You do have the snek icon, RIGHT?

>>712714029
twitter, apparently
I have no idea why

>>712690565
You keep posting this as if it's some kind of own.

>>712714762
I facerolled this weeks DA. Last round was harder. You are bad.

>ZZZ anniversary video animated by studio Wit
Uhh, did I miss it or was this never posted on the official channel?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM1Z47tLp4k

I can't believe they sneaked in a popcorn animation for the tiger loli character.

>tiger urine is known to smell like buttered popcorn. This unusual scent is due to a chemical compound called 2-acetyl-1-pyrroline (2-AP), which is also responsible for the smell of fresh popcorn

>>712715208
>sneaked in
Her weapon is literally a popcorn oven so they're not exactly being subtle about it.

>>712715287
i couldn't tell until i saw popcorn fly out during an attack

>>712681098 (OP)
Japan is fighting a war against blacks and californians invading it.

>>712714332
TV Mode was fucking gay.

>>712715597
Your mom should have been fucking gay then you and your shit opinion would never exist

>>712715597
your face is fucking gay

>>712715208
Small autistic and degenerate details like this used to be all over Honkai Impact. I'm at the point of just dropping HI3 after Helia's arc concludes. I doubt they would deliver the same caliber old HI3 had.

Which zzz character do you wish you could transform into for a day?

KINoslopa.

>>712681098 (OP)
This game was great until they started hard pandering to the crowds of lonely chinks and virgins. I like a bit of fanservice in my games but the (you)slop made it fucking insufferable.

>>712716120
Are you a woman?

>>712716120
fucking how
you should be complaining about the loss of identity and aesthetics if anything

>>712716504
This. The fact that Wise/Belle are no longer illegal urban hackers and are prepping to become magic powered kung fu agents is depressing.

>>712716504
Not a fan of characters going around and sucking up to me whenever I do anything, it gets annoying quickly. Feels like they've shifted away from making the MC's their own characters to make room for self-inserting.
The loss of identity is somewhat bothersome though, I've noticed it mostly in the cutscenes. Animations used to be very exaggerated and quirky and they just feel... okay. They're not bad, its just that they don't stand out anymore and that's what made ZZZ special to me. Apparently people have an issue with the new maps but I haven't paid much attention to that.

>new quest is about a worker's union that is going up against a big corp. But it turns out the leader of the union is evil, abuses the workers, the corp is good, and we have to save the workers and expose the union.
now that's chinese

>>712705358
By this point Phaethon is directly commissioned by the mayor, so you are now no longer illegally operating behind the scenes.
So the mayor basically directly told them "you will be working with Phatheon for this one".

ok but when are we gonna hack all IPs simultaneously?

>>712716727
Sounds hilariously sad but I don't know what you expected. Integrity?

>>712681098 (OP)
Because chinks are usually angry about getting cornered by nips and that market basically is chinks.

>>712716727
hey, it worked for Matrix

>>712681880
But I play both
Also the new agent is hot
Remember retards you have no enemies

>>712717047
Yeah I understand why they did it. And working with the government makes sense why they don't need to hide anymore. But it was just a comment on how 1.0 started out as proxies being illegal and how they had to hide. It shows how much the vibe of the story has shifted.

>>712716727
This, I liked them being nerds hiding

>>712716831
I also have self insert fatigue, blame retards who are unable to just play something that panders to them and who feel cucked whenever one character says hi to other. They complain about censorship but they are the first ones to threaten writers and the entire team if every character doesn't suck your cock

>>712716997
That is literally western paimon va plot.

>>712681098 (OP)
>How did they do it?
be less greedy, offer more for less, make better product. it's simple. japan in general is not prone to taking risks, during ps3/x360 gen most of their gaming companies couldn't keep pace with west, some went into mobile, some like konami even abandoned gaming for pachinko, some stayed but needed a LOT of time to reinvent themselves during ps4 gen like capcom. only fromsoft kept making risks and eventually it paid off big with elden ring. in mobile gaming space Japan missed the opportunity to offer AAA experience when smartphones were just good enough to pull it off because that was expensive (going from 2d anime pictures to fully modeled 3d waifus), extremely risky and they didn't know how to perfect the monetization. china is now doing exact same thing in AAA core gaming space, it's so fucking over for bloated greedy western studios, only a matter of time before they make cod and gta killers.

>>712702061
He's also lazy because he's got like 2 years left before all his organs start failing and he wants to enjoy the little time he has first and foremost. So you better be a service top, he won't put the work in

>>712716727
They were going to get exposed at some point, the story basically demanded it since they let you play as cops and government agents. They're basically working for the government now which imo is a natural progression of their characters.

>>712681098 (OP)
>Why was Japan asleep at the wheel?
Horsegirls will save Japan. Trust the plan.

>>712714916
As someone unfamiliar with the game this does not make it look good at all. It looks like they're brainlessly mashing one button without needing to time their parry in the slightest.

>>712720376
The rest of the world isn't autistic enough for horse girls. The most trending moment of this franchise in the west was when one of the girls sung an american nigga rap song for a few seconds and everyone already forgot about it.

>>712715826
I might add the openworld section to this if i remember it when i get home.

>>712717414
>Integrity
Western devs have plenty of integrity in going down with the ship after blowing holes in it themselves. Chinese have zero integrity, meaning they change the game to what the audience wants to see. They have monthly surveys in which they ask all players to rate the content in their game and ask for open ended feedback as well.
The lesson learned is that it's better to have "integrity" and have your company's profits go to zero instead of listening to the toxic incels so they give you more of their money.

>>712681098 (OP)
i have no idea how people latched onto this dogshit, both gi and hsr are infinitely better than this crap

>>712687682
>pokemon
A massive established brand. Not saying much.
>>712687109
>Japs literally cannot publish anything outside of jap properly
This. China knows how to make money and to focus on target audiences.

>>712691638
>people like jp media
Except people dont, since most of them are on the China gachas. FGO is just holding its own but has far fewer players compared to the others.

>>712702345
>also let me switch main story character
That feature is reserved for devs that actually care and listen to their playerbase

>>712720534
>The rest of the world isn't autistic enough for horse girls
Picrel was the shit back in the day. It'll do fine.

>>712720525
That boss has a spin attack with multiple hits. If you parry one hit you will automatically parry the rest if boss spins towards you. The button he is mashing is the basic attack because he is trying to attack but nothing happens since character is busy parrying the tornado sequence. Dude posts this webm all the time as if to prove the gameplay is just 1 button mashing while in reality he's just showing how retarded he is.

>>712695717
>2nd half of 2025
i dont think 2025 but silver palace and neveress to everess look promising but i think both would be 2026.

>>712690565
this game gave me carpal tunnel in both hands

>>712696153
>You're implying ZZZ actually blows everyone's mind away with their animations?
Are you dense? Literally everyone loved the nicole promo trailer for ZZZ.

>zzzslop
Kill yourself OP

>>712681098 (OP)
Western influence is why they were asleep at the wheel

>>712720525
>>712720849
It's also beta footage. Like really old beta footage.

>>712716997
Big organization
Small organization
When it comes to attaining power and influence, both are capable of being evil because that's how people are.

>>712695879
except MD's summon animations mog all 2.5D chinky animations

>SOULs in your path

>>712681098 (OP)
Pic unrelated btw, this black culture gacha only killed itself

>>712722296
>muh phone revenue!
no one cares buddy
it's the most trending gacha of 2024/2025

>>712722517
>no tits
too flat for Mibibi cosplay
should have worn a padded sarashi

>>712722517
that's a man

who cares, weebs are subhumans

>>712722517
>it's the most trending gacha of 2024/2025
and all it took were some retarded tic tac dudes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZvgbXVX1DM

>>712692735
Japan's animation has been improving as of late. Although my only references are Falcom and GUST. Bamco did pretty good on SAOFD's cutscenes and everything about Sparking Zero. Relink has a lot more going for it in flow than gacha games could. Just hope the momentum keeps up for the foreseeable future.

>>712722517
Of course brown people dont care, they dont even contribute to the revenue in the first place which explains why is flopping kek

>>712681098 (OP)
The world is full of NPCs willing to blow money on cartoon women they keep in their cellphone.
Sad day in history desu

>>712710243

>>712716007
https://youtu.be/KnrGMHhnqrw?si=FqihQulS-XGRQP1r

>>712722903
Man I regret rolling for Sanby. I told myself to wait for rerun so I could her and Trigger along with their engines. But NOOOOOOO.

>>712710243

>>712722903
So what would you say your hobbies are?
>I spend my free time analyzing revenue and profit statistics of a game I hate so I can spam pictures of it when it doesn't do well in threads I hate on anonymous image boards
Oh...

>>712695082
Half the top 10 are entirely new...

>>712723223
Please just make fly the flag faster or have it be a shorter animation. I beg. It's sad that doing her chain attack is agonizing.

>>712714762
easier than last week

>>712710243
my first girl of course

>>712723367
>>I spend my free time analyzing revenue and profit statistics of a game I hate so I can spam pictures of it when it doesn't do well in threads I hate on anonymous image boards
You just described chinks when genshin was brand new
Now that >>712686016 they are back to losing at japan it seems like they dont care anymore kek

>>712723480
>the shape of her puffy nipples poking through that suit
>most artists just draw them generic and small
I hate it

>>712723191
>got her and trigger
>no weapons on either
>trigger works
>sanby is actual garbage
im still mad

>>712723367
Asians are obsessed with other peoples profits, you always know when you're talking to an Asian because if you argue them into a corner it's always "ARE YOU GAY ARE YOU POOR SAAR"

>>712723612
She sent me crawling back to Harumasa.

>>712723410
I run her as main dps and it's not a problem.

>>712723752
tried him, pretty bad too
Yanagi clears both i fear

>>712723805
post build or it's bait

>>712723805
I'll give her more food if she supports my Ellen.

>>712698709
>>712698382
Literally all made up, every single leak GI has had beyond the next patch tends to be completely made up. No one intentionally made Dehya bad, she was a standard banner character so she was worse, that’s it. She’s way better now anyways.

>>712723612
got them both and their weapons
they pretty much delete everything and dish out similar DA points to my miyabi team

>>712723494
More like tendies suddenly are okay with gacha after years of shitting on gachas lmao

>>712724359
I'm going to be real tilted if their reruns match up with the Idols in the future.

>>712722517

>>712724183
>t. feminist apologist hoyoshill
I bet you deny that feminist director Tiffany too who made Sumeru into a sausagefest, cucked the MC out of Nahida with Scara, and completely rewrote Fontaine to fellate Neuvilette

>>712683412
Californians tricked Japan into thinking that Americans want ugly women in all of their video games.

>>712723903
What is there to post? I just built her as if she was Ellen and ignore the quickswap to keep the ATK buff for herself.

>>712692735
Japanese game have better animation since you can actually feel the weight and the physics of the character, nier animation from 9 years ago still looks better than a lot of shit releasing nowadays
>ZZZ
ah you are a brown or an amerimutt obessed with nigger asses, that explains it all

>>712723410
I usually do 2 hits of her ex then stun with lycaon so i can deploy the flag then i just delete them with mibibi.
Or i use it with mibibis special or while they are frozen.
Slowkaku isnt someone you just deploy without thinking.

>>712725381
>complains about big asses while posting 2B

>>712725449
i start the fight with miyabi until i apply frostburn
switch to lycaon to daze a bit then to soukaku to freeze and give buff
repeat

>>712707327
Add more buzzwords next time faggot

/v/ is a Bangboo board

idk wtf is going on when i play yixuan, shes constantly shitting out talismans and birds and chinese explosions and then everything is dead

>>712726363

Banging Boos.

>>712725381
>nigger asses
>a butt that looks like she did some tiny amount of physical movement in her life
go look at actual basketball american females and its obvious how warped you are in whats considered normal.

>>712708024
Tribe 9....oh wait

>>712726974
don't bother, he's a known schizo

>>712695082
Because they literally have what you just listed to play, no reason to hop onto new shit, and similarly China would still only play Mihoyo gacha 20 years from now

>>712723561
>expecting FOTM chasing artists to give a shit about detail when they draw some FOTM character for patreon subs
I can't wait for AI to replace them

>>712681098 (OP)
Greed. Gacha is a form of sadomasochism and Japanese are incredibly sadistic.

>>712681098 (OP)
>Burnice
oh you mean the one they turned into a furry dyke?
Chinksects love their mixed toilet slop with LGBT shoved in their face after all

I stopped playing gacha for years now but it’s funny how people are unironically think gacha is some serious business that all country have to pour money in to compete. Back then gacha is unironically a stigma, not something to brag about

Is the maid the only hag in ZZZ?

I could not give a shit about chink characters, despite them making impressive game
I want Japan IP but with the effort of Chinese gacha, until then I have no horse in this race

>>712727854
back then gachas weren't games at all, just a form of anime solitaire

>>712727891
It depends on what your definition of hag is. There is lots of girls in their 20s, but I believe Trigger is the only other girl to be confirmed beyond her twenties since she is in her thirties.

>>712727973
It still is
Otaku still freak out when their favorite JP franchise become a gacha, and you wonder why Japan don’t make more of them, nor advertise it

>>712728089
>It still is
only in japan

>>712728126
Well yeah that is why Japan is the way it is toward gacha, they don’t think gacha is a serious genre of game worth investing it

>>712728010
Oh so Jane is not a hag?
Too bad I guess.

Played both HSR and Genshin for a few years and quit because I got bored, am I unironically filtered? I don’t have the energy to explore Teyvat nor do HSR puzzles

>>712728498
>hm I wonder why I can't keep playing
>but it's definitely not because I want instant gratification and the game can't constantly provide it

>>712728721
Well I did made it through a few years of it

>>712727372
thx i wont.

>>712692220
It is literally common knowledge that FGO was made to die in a few years, so they put in the exact amount of effort needed for it to EoS in a few years. And then they got Nasu on board with Camelot and shitttttt now we are here.
Also most gacha at that era look like that, I know because I was there, pity wasn’t a thing, just like real life gachapon, you guys should thank whoever made it a thing

>>712728498
that's fine bro, to each his own
hsr is shit but what made you drop genshin?

>>712726974
>>712727372
>schizoposting
Dont forget to keep praising something not because of their overrall quality, but because the ass is big, amerimutts, lmao

>>712729259
This is kind of embarrassing but it was the release of Hoyo launcher, it forced me to reinstall both game through that launcher and I noped out, not doing that.

>>712728498
Nah, you just want other stuff, nothing wrong with that. I still play Genshin, but it's on and off as well and I'm quite fine with that. There's no point in continuing to play something when you stop having fun with it.

>>712728498
Not really, HSR is trash and the only thing that's carrying Genshin at this point is the lore, which you can read or listen to.

>>712729418
other players have also been annoyed by that launcher, but they usually don't know they can play the game without using it
it's only needed to update the game every 6 weeks or so

>>712710243
How do you check this?

>>712729336
>Imao
>obvious schizo
>complains about big asses
you seem awfully familiar, do I know you from /jp/?

>>712729665
game awards event in game
idk why they put it at the bottom where players might not see it

>>712683412
Tigre sexo

Burnice White

>>712708893
To be honest Red Pompey is fucking bullshit

>>712681098 (OP)
Japan became complacent. For them to gacha market has always been some magical place where you can pump out low effort garbage and receive huge returns.
Their greatest failure was focusing their attention maximizing profits within their domestic market.
Genshin Impact was the wakeup call for targeting beyond the domestic market and penetrating the global market as a whole.

To this day they still don't understand what kind of marketing works.
One of the latest failures in the JP Gacha Market, Tribe Nine, was created using a massive budget with the idea that "If we throw a bunch of money at producing a game like Mihoyo does, we will see similar returns." while completely missing the point of what the developers were actually making with that game.
Tribe Nine was essentially a single player visual novel game that the suits forced the devs to make into a gacha game.
Everything about the game would have worked just fine as a standalone title, but turning it into a gacha completely destroyed any chance it had.

>>712681098 (OP)
>Why was Japan asleep at the wheel?

japan was caught with their pants down as they were fine with low effort png collectors and churning out IP cashgrabs that eos'd after a year

>>712686204
the autobattler does better than the massive open world game on phones, Genshin dominates SR on PC/console

>>712729418
>it forced me to reinstall both game through that launcher

literal retardation as it doesn't force you to do that

I liked ZZZ at launch but got tired halfway through the story did I miss out? Think I got to the point where I unlocked the downtown hub area

>>712681098 (OP)
I like burnice and all but she really needs to work on her handjob technique

>>712729118
I wouldn't even give Delighworks that much credit, they were just dogshit at making games.
The success of FGO got to their heads and made them think that they could develop good games, so when Sega approached them and asked them to develop Sakura Kakumei, they basically created a carbon copy of Fate/GO with slightly different mechanics, but overall the same gameplay system but significantly greater budget.

It was one of the greatest flops in mobile game development.

>>712688101
we have no idea how much they make in total since only mobile numbers are (somewhat) visible, and the 3 have different demographics of mobile players

>>712693091
Because the anine and manga industry has been on decline because of lack of living wages and overwork. Its well known by japanese citizen that if you want to make anime you will get payed shit compared to how it was before. I remember evej the goverment tried to stepped in when they realized they were losing the industry via outsourcing to china and other countries.
>>712681098 (OP)
Japanese gacha games have always been about jpegs and numbers because their target demographic were students and salary men (who both are expected to have no life 5 days a week) on commute or during rest hours monday through friday. it wasnt until the chinese came in and said "what if ...numbers..but also...gameplay?" That the target demographic increased to a wider audience and specially the idea that its a gacha game but you can play hours and hours a day, doing quest, farming chests and materials without paying instead of japanese jpeg gacha were you ran out of stamina fairly quick and that it, you are done. Because of the former it is easier to get whales because the gameplay loop makes it hard for them to notice they ar ebecoming whales

>>712730003
Nice

>>712729845
>>712710243
Thank you!

What a faggot.

>>712731091
>did I miss out?
If nothing about it grabbed you by that point then no. It's just not for you.

>>712681098 (OP)
Mogged by FGO

>>712707420
This game is my only gacha I've ever played and I picked it up when I heard they're adding her as a playable character

>>712681098 (OP)
BURNICE
BURNICE
BURNICE
BURNICE
BURNICE
BURNICE

>>712735694
That was my exact situation too and apparently ZZZ is one of the more "furry" gachas which is kind of surprising. I don't expect a gacha with furry characters and nothing else but still.

>>712735694
Pulchra skin with mask off WHEN?

>>712681098 (OP)
>china cornered the market on slop
oh no

>>712686016
Man sometimes I forget arknights even exists. Who the fuck is paying money for that shit game?

>>712711460
more games with fat jiggling?

I think every non-japanese asian is worthless and shouldn't exist.

>>712737674
>I think
no you don't

>>712681098 (OP)
I had everybody but Caesar, and was thinking about skipping her again on her rerun since she hasn't aged super well.
But this thread is reminding me how they're the best faction in the game and I should really get her.

For all the influence China and Korea now has in the anime game market, they are still forced to pander to both the Japanese and the western weeb audiences who still prefer hearing the Japanese language over Chinese or Korean. Yes there are Chinese and Korean dubs but they are never the default. Will they ever be influential enough in this space that they can truly be themselves or are those languages just too grating to hear?

>>712707420

>>712686016
>>712691638
Did you even read this chart yourself, retarded honky?
6 out of Top 10 list are Chinese games. Chinese gacha beat shit out of Japanese.

>>712714332
Tv mode is still there though?

>>712740070
not in any content from current year

>>712738750
>they are still forced to pander to both the Japanese and the western weeb audiences
"Forced" in your ass. The most profitable market of Chinese gacha is still China.
And the fact that Chinese dubs can make anti-china shills and 4ch*n subhuman shitlords butthurt and seething non-stop is enough to make it to exist forever as one of the best languages in the world.

>>712740362
God help us if India manages to shit out a gacha or two.

>>712681098 (OP)
Every time I see a video or GIF of Ju Fufu I think about trying this game. She does something to me I don't understand.

>>712686016
All gachafags are subhuman

>>712740472
I would love to see what kind of dogshit they could cook up