>Villains whose motives are hard to find fault in and are arguably better than the heroes'.

>>712685416 (OP)
I always found it funny how this (presumably) white guy with a lesbian haircut is just king of Nepal

>>712686905
I think he's a halfu with a dye job

>>712685416 (OP)
It's cool thart there's an ending where you just let him do his thing.

>>712686905
Anon, he's Chinese and grew up in British Hong Kong.

>>712685416 (OP)
I want Pagan Min to give me a cock rating!

>>712685416 (OP)
>arguably better
There's no "arguably" about it, Pagan Min is canonically a better person than both rebel factions and is better for Kyrat, striking a balance between the need for progression while respecting tradition that actually matters

>>712689330
I think the lore is supposed to be that his father is Chinese from Hong Kong and his mother is white from the UK.

>>712685416 (OP)
Far Cry 4 is the only good "actually you were le bad guy for doing what the game said" story ever written other than Lonesome Road

>>712690136
Oh, I just figured he was fully Chinese and had the English accent due to the environment like how Indians did when the British were over there.

>>712685416 (OP)
A Pagan Min campaign would have been a slam dunk in Far Cry 4 and Ubisoft completely botched it:

>Alright Ajay my boy, I've commissioned you in my army. Listen up my favorite stepson, I want to retire from this job soon, and for that to happen, I have several missions I'm only entrusting to you:
>Eliminate Sabal
>Eliminate Amita, and rescue Bhadra. Oh, this by the way is a humanitarian mission, because Amita is planning to sell Bhadra into sex slavery to fund this silly little rebellion of hers. You'll sleep better knowing your little friend Bhadra won't be turning tricks in Singapore or Bangkok, right?
>Oh, and while you're at it, do me a favor and whack Yuma. She's become a loose cannon and you can't safely run a country with someone like her running the department of prisons, can you?
Oh, by the way: I don't give one flying fuck how you get me from A to B, Ajay. So get out there and shoot some goddamn guns.

>>712685416 (OP)
what's the qrd

>>712690263
Lonesome Road is garbage.
>Muh hopeville
Abject garbage.

>>712688873
>halfu
whats that?
>>712689330
>>712690136
ah that makes more sense

>>712690475
Literally: white man good, brown people bad

>>712690475
Pagan Min had basically taken control of the country and was establishing schools and infrastructure, generally reforming the country into a functioning country but through violent means

The rebels end up turning the country into either a country where its only exports are drugs and child soldiers, or a theocracy where they reject things like electricity and running water but the theocracy does at least remove women's rights so that's a plus

>>712690263
>>712690505
lonesome road isn't actually "youre the bad guy" its that ulysses says you are to bait out the courier (meta, because its actually the player and RPG quest structure) into bringing EDE to him. He says at the end that he doesn't blame you for the destruction of hopeville like he thought initially, but rather the NCR and the Legion for bringing the war (and thus the Enclave device the courier brought pre-game) which ultimately is what destoryed Hopeville. He sees both the NCR and the Legion as colonizing forces that will amalgamate and destroy the tribes they come across just like the Legion destoryed his tribe the twisted hairs at Dry Wells.

Ulysses whole plan and accusation towards you being da devil is so that the player will bring EDE to him which will allow him to launch the divide's remaining nukes that will destroy the NCR and Legion in the area

>>712690358
Oh it absolutely would, but that's kind of the point. It wouldn't really get us a "game", hence why you're usually railroaded into not doing that by most games. That's why 4 has that, and why Pagan Min (and by extension, the game) mock you for it.
>"Get it out of your system? Maybe now we can shoot some goddamned guns."

>>712690896
lol, didn't read
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI8dMK4h-cg

>>712685416 (OP)
>actually shoot his henchmen for disobeying his order of live capture
>taste the ashes to check if the article is genuine
>'eat the crabs anon'
>take you to where the altair is
>let you shoot some guns then likely just send you home with his number
He's reasonable even for a drug lord.

>>712691161
>lol, didn't read

>"Maybe sometimes we do need dictators. As long as they are doing a decent job at least."
Grim

>>712691308
Yeah, that's what happened to Ulysses when he took the headshot

>>712691379
Past 50 years of botched "liberations" by the US have soured people on democracy, even though a lot of what's called democracy is just oligarchy and the people don't actually get a say.
Of course people are going to warm up to strongmen when they bring an aesthetic of "stability", and the good ones can get shit done far faster than most western "democracies".

this guy was based af

>>712691379
The message is more along the lines of
>Don't topple a dictator if you don't have a better plan for when the dictator is gone

He wasn't even a villain to me.

>>712690475
the actual politics aside, Ajay's father was the leader of the rebels and his mother was Pagan Min's wife as a spy for many years. Ajay's mother told him to take her ashes to somewhere there.
At the beginning of the game Pagan captures you brings you to his mansion and tells you to wait while he takes care of something and you can either escape or stay. The rebels basically emotionally blackmail Ajay into doing all their dirty work.
If you simply stay and wait 10 minutes Pagan comes back and takes Ajay to put his mother's ashes away in a shrine with the ashes of hers and Pagan's baby that died, Ajay's half sister and then says he's gonna show him a good time and the credits roll.

>>712685416 (OP)
Kino time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll63_tdSvGk

>>712691695
What usually happens is people who topple a dictator do so because they want to be the next dictator, or at least be the middleman for the foreign powers that helped make the coup happen

>>712685416 (OP)
the funniest part is that everyone is better off in the joke ending. the writers proved that the rebels can't govern themselves and a dictator is the most indicated person to take the reins and fix the mess.

>>712691695
>>712692209
>Just start your own bank

>>712692436
>most indicated
are you an eslfriend?

>>712691790
>Spoiler
It's even worse than that.
Ajay's father, Mohan, the hero of the rebels, murdered the baby Lakshmana, so Ishwari (Ajay's mother) killed Mohan. She then left the country with Ajay.

So yeah, think about that when everyone is telling Ajay he's great and heroic just like his father

>>712692620
best suited
happy?

>>712692620
are you not indicating yourself right now?

>>712692746
No, as a matter of fact I am not. But thank you for asking.

>>712690475
>dictator wanted modernism
>potential rebel leader A wanted to go back to traditions, which the game seemed to focus heavily on the child marriage side of it including marrying off a child side character you've interacted with throughout the game to celebrate toppling the government
>potential rebel leader B wanted prosperity, which seems to be growing a shit ton of opioids to sell as drugs
>those are also the big twists near the end, so throughout the game you just hear muh traditions/muh prosperity
>funny joke end has you sit at a dinner table for 10 or so real minutes like the dictator asked you to while he went to go do something, you do the thing you were originally there to do, then go pal around shooting guns off screen as the credits roll.