Games where I can roleplay as a nihilist?

>>712695407 (OP)
Probably one of those cringe leftist games like Disco Elysium.

>>712695407 (OP)
Real life. Also, Nietzsche wasn't a Nihilist, he was an anti-Nihilist coping that nihilism is the ultimate conclusion to a world without objective reality.

>>712695727
Spoken like a true undermensch

Everyone who parrots this misses the point. It wasn't supposed to be a fucking good thing.

>>712695407 (OP)
Yiik bad ending

yiik i.v (bad ending specifically)

>>712695727
cringe
>>712695778
based

>>712695407 (OP)
Pic unrelated

>>712695778
An untermensch would celebrate the death of God and dissolute comfort, like Zarathustra I'm in mourning, only in my case I'm aware that nothing can replace the sacrifice.

>>712695843
Sneed

>>712696056
>le good guy nietzsche meme
>same philosopher that advocates for following your instincts and urges as they are an expression of will, and doing evil things because one must have a strong will to do evil therefore evil is good

>>712696085
God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, murderers of all murderers, console ourselves? That which was the holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet possessed has bled to death under our knives. Who will wipe this blood off us? With what water could we purify ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we not ourselves become gods simply to be worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whosoever shall be born after us - for the sake of this deed he shall be part of a higher history than all history hitherto.

>>712696293
i thought that was crowley
then again everything he wrote was copypaste i guess

>>712695790
Doesn't matter. We've all been made Last Men by our environment.

>>712696293
Uhhhh, no. Go read some more and try again. Or better yet ask chatgpt why you just embarassed yourself. Though you should still read a book.

>>712696085
>the death of God
that's what I never understood, there's no shortage of people who believe even back then

>>712696417
Im really grappling with this, especially since becoming rich.

>>712695407 (OP)
Pillars of Eternity

how long before some <100IQ 2011+ newfag redditor posts a picture of a large neckbeard wearing a fedora?

>>712695790
To anyone else reading who doesn't get it, when Neetz says "God is dead", he's saying it in the same tone of voice with the same level of gravity and concern that a congressman might say "My hooker is dead." This realization needs to be the catalyst of some kind of change, but we're 200 years out and no change sooooo...

>>712695407 (OP)
>GOD IS DEAD
>The only countries with birthrate above replacement level are the one where religion is strong.
Literally problem that fixes itself.

Twilight of the Idols
>I put a principle into a formula. All naturalism in morality, that is, all healthy morality, is ruled by an instinct of life—some decree of life is fulfilled by a particular canon of “shall” and “shall not,” some restriction and hostility on life’s path is thereby shoved aside. Anti-natural morality, that is, almost every morality that has been taught, honored, and preached up to now, instead turns precisely against the instincts of life—it is a sometimes hidden, sometimes loud and bold condemnation of these instincts. By saying, “God looks into the heart, it says no to the lowest and highest desires of life, and takes God to be life’s enemy . . . The saint in whom God takes delight is the ideal eunuch . . . Life ends where the “kingdom of God” begins
Thus Spoke Zarathustra
>Of all evil I deem you capable: Therefore I want good from you. Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws.

>>712696056
>misinterpreting Nietzsche as a classical hedonist (not the meme type of hedonist, the philosophical one)
Quit posting this picture. Even as a joke, you're just confusing the normalfags.

>>712696706
Meant for this retardo >>712696425

>>712696504
I think those words dont mean what you think they mean. In fact I'd bet you'd agree with the death of God if you knew what he meant. All he is saying is that for better or worse we in the West no longer have Religious institutions to guide us. Society looks outside the church in a way it never had before. It's not a very controversial take.

>>712696706
I have no claws and am also willing to admit that I am capable of evil if I did have them. What does that make me?

>>712696827
jewish

>>712696338
Yes that's the direct quote. He then realises over the course of the text that those born after are NOT up to the task before them and are instead the last men, and he copes by saying that only those of a kingly disposition (not literal kings mind you) are up to the task, when in reality these are just mythical figures in a mythical telling of Nietzsche's ideal.

>>712696504
Religion was fading in his own time as a method of explaining reality and morality, with fewer and fewer genuine believers as time went on.
Case in point, nobody today (aside from niche groups) actually behave as it religion actually has the answers to questions of morality.

>>712695407 (OP)
Every RPG

>>712695407 (OP)
Leave g*d to ME...

>>712696787
Your posting skills are as shit as your reading comprehension. No wonder your teachers deemed you too stupid for post secondary. Good thing you are a poor genetic deadend to boot so your retardation ends with you, LOL.
Anyways dumb dumb, your first part is correct, it's your evil obsession that revels your stupidity.

>>712697151
>when the uneducated pseud tries dickriding a philosopher they've never read and get buck broken when receipts come back negative

>>712697256
NTA, you legitimately do not understand what you just posted.

>>712696819
>no longer have Religious institutions to guide us
Damn I didn't know they wiped out churches back then.

>>712697401
you never heard of the french revolution?

>>712696706
The first quote just sounds like Nietzsche doesn't want you to be a misanthropic cunt who values some unrealistic (and usually unattainable) ideals of divinity in favor of being a good human being. After all, if God created life, how can the instinct of life be evil?

>>712697383
>le create your own values is the supreme good!
>cesare borgia and napoleon were good boys who created their own values therefore did no wrong!
That's as far as I'm willing to spoonfeed a literal retard who's unable to read between the lines

>>712696869
Uh no, they are not even in the same book. That quote is the gay science, and you are referring to Thus Spoke Zarathrustra.
Also he never says the last man is inevitable, he just tells a parable at the tightrope scene.
So you got all the parts right but you are head cannoning how they go together.

>>712697494
>newfagbabble
#gottem

>>712697467
Because those "instincts" are literally demonic in nature, you fucking moron. Read the bible.

>>712696869
>Case in point, nobody today (aside from niche groups) actually behave as it religion actually has the answers to questions of morality.
There's no shortage of people walking around unironically believing the bible literally & can't they just get forgiven for not acting right anyway? They forgave that onlyfans whore after she made bank & then suddenly decided she was christian, worked for her.

>>712697546
>god is powerless against the devil
Sounds like I should be worshipping the devil

>>712697256
This nigga mad, LOL! Bet all your college educated friends look down on you as much as I do, kek.

>Say God is dead
>Mean values are no longer derived from religion and for society to not devolve it must adopt morals through moral philosophy rather than religious teachings/threats
>Retards don't look into the context of the quote and think it's about atheism

>>712697546
And yet he created them himself. How does that make a lick of sense?

play those really hard NES games. or something competitive where you have to learn and improve. rpgs and movie games are basically the opposite.

>>712697438
Yeah but I thought he was german.

>>712697616
I wonder what it is about a moron's brain that compels one to continue replying when they have obviously no retort or anything of substance to add

>>712697656
did you think he fell out of a coconut tree

>>712697401
Life must be tough seeing everything as black and white binary outcomes. I bet you are a miserable person with that mind set, :(

>>712697725
>No u
Retard pottery

>>712695407 (OP)
stanley's parable?

>>712697509
>That quote is the gay science
Shit, you're right. I could've sworn he restated it in Zarathustra. If guess this is what I get for going off decade old memories.

>Also he never says the last man is inevitable
Of the great majority of men, yes he absolutely does think that most will take that route.

>You are headcannoning
Probably.

>>712697780
Kek
>>712697621
I always wonder if incels are this dumb or if it more speaks to how turd world this board is. Who are these tranny obsessed posters?

>>712697780
No but I have a hard time believing it was radically different than today across europe just because the french went full retard.
>>712697801
I have no clue what you're talking about, even if the churches were gone there was probably still religious people evangelizing, it somehow survived up till now.

>God is... le dea-ACK

>>712698030
Where do you live that they didn't teach how controlling and complete the churches control of our societal institutions used to be?
Id love to hear your rendition of the French revolution.

>>712698064
>that scene at the end where the professor gets killed in a hit and run
>everyone starts talking about how it’s a good thing that he’s dead now after witnessing a murder

>>712698241
>Where do you live that they didn't teach
The west, I know all the holocaust & nazis instead of that.

>>712698241
>Id love to hear your rendition of the French revolution.
Some autists sperged out and beheaded a bunch of people before they got outplayed by Napoleon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_29yvYpf4w

>>712695407 (OP)
any MMORPG

Don't even try it /v/, this is way out of your depth. Just delete the thread and move on. You fuckers can't even discuss Uminegro (baby shit) properly so there's no way you can talk about primary source philosophy.

>>712698390
Such a good movie

>>712698406

what a shit thread. dont even have to read through it to know its going to be shit, just by the OP, and the words they chose without knowing what they mean, aswell as the picture they chose.

>>712697995
You took it and made it your own. That's what the man dreamed of.

>wahh boohoo my life sucks and that's why I don't believe in God wahhh

>>712698995
#gottem

>>712696293
t. glowie who thinks Will to Power was a real book

>>712696504
God didn't died as a concept, it just turned into mere conjecture and theory. Thus, religion lost its central place within human society and as moral guidance.

>>712698995
>thank you god for giving me cancer, I'm glad that was part of your benevolent mysterious plan

>>712697546
The God of the Old Testament is Moloch who took children as human sacrifices. The God of the New Testament is an eunuch who rejected life itself in favor of gnostic-like ideas of divinity beyond the flesh.

Imagine that. Going on and on about something so much that when midwits look back on your life, they see how much you mention that something that they think you were a staunch supporter of it. For Nietzsche, it's nihilism. For /v/, it'll be niggers, trannies, jews, and faggots.

>>712699819

>>712699819
Fucking kek. High IQ post.

>>712698406
it's nowhere near as complex as you putzes pretend, which is why it's the easiest college course to fake experience in

>>712699992
heh

Jesus was an Übermensch btw, cope and seethe Pharisees

>>712695407 (OP)
uuuuuuuuuuuh
nier?
or maybe it just makes you a nihilist

>>712695407 (OP)
Nietzsche wasn't a nihilist.

>>712696706
> Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws.

Does this still hold true in the modern day? Any weakling could get their hands on a weapon and engage in violence (e.g. school shootings), meaning just about everyone has "claws." Hobbes' idea of everyone being equal in their capacity to engage in violence has never been truer.

>>712701643
He doesn't mean literal, direct violence (at least not entirely).
It's referring to power and competence in general, a peasant can only be humble because he's a peasant with very little resources, or I guess in this day and age it would be a wagie.
They have no choice but to keep their heads down, lest they anger someone that can actually harm them in some way.
Compare that with a billionaire that genuinely tries to be humble and encourage humbleness, they're not simply doing it because they have no choice in the matter (although I believe Nietzsche would consider humility just a vestige of slave morality).

>>712695407 (OP)
In Morrowind you can kill like a half dozen gods from at least two pantheons, and if you read enough of the in-universe bibles the twist is that you're god.

>>712695407 (OP)
fuck that shit
what about a game full of cute hebes?

>>712703431
>one of the foundational figures of modern leftism was a freak looking pedo who liked to rape girls with his feminist girlfriend
>the other was a gay pedo who liked to rape boys in algerian graveyards and died of aids

>>712696504
I would say religion is dead from a certain point of view, sure those surveys say that zoomers are more religious than millenials, but i would bet my ball...s (i have two) that most of those zoomers are religious in a "bro, i watched a little dark age edit of the crusades, i'm so fucking tradcath-pilled now, DEUS VULT!" way. Religion is a basically the right equivalent to pronoun/tranny shit, as in most people in that group say they believe in that to fit in, and the few that genuinely belive in it are degenerate pedos.

>>712696056
That's the problem
Human's coping system is always retarded af and in the end nothing even matters
Religion is the only answer

>>712705269
>most of those zoomers are religious in a "bro, i watched a little dark age edit of the crusades, i'm so fucking tradcath-pilled now, DEUS VULT!" way.

>>712705269
Yes and no. They're two sides of the same coin. Both are coping with the nihilistic self hatred of modernity in different ways, wishing to find community. The LGBT find comfort in death, the end of their line. The Christians find comfort in life, continuing their line.

All the SpongeBob games with Squidward playable.
Squidward had a a good bit of nihilistic episodes from seasons 1-4. He’s the nihilistic character of SpongeBob.

>>712696504
>there's no shortage of people who believe even back then
Intellectual classes were slowly realizing that this shit is gay, that's enough. Nobody gave a fuck about some barely sentient peons. Similar definition to the age of enlightenment referred to enlightenment of a small minority of aristocrats first and foremost. The very possibility of a new paradigm existing is enough to redefine everything.

what a brain rot thread

>>712696338
This hits pretty different when you know that the person who wrote that shit was also known for
>beta orbiting some bitch who refused to sleep with him
>spending money on whores, by some accounts contacted syphilis
>being a judeophile
>mocking German nationalists and declared that he's a p*lak
Neech was the definition of an untermensch in a more sober person's perspective. He gets to talk this shit about as much as someone who never lifted anything heavier than his limp dick gets to be an expert on bodybuilding.

>>712697593
That used to be majority and it used to shape policy. You're acting like a few states in the US throwing the occasional tantrum is practically the same thing as Christianity being a part of the zeitgeist.

>>712695727
Neurotypicals are a plague upon this Earth

>>712706784
If people think Christianity is gay. Why do people still cling to Christian morals? People aren't inherently worth shit, but Jesus fooled people to think that everyone has some inherit worth.

Can't we just drop the whole act?

>>712704905
WTF I love leftists now.

>>712709041
>Why do people still cling to Christian morals?
Because abrahamics appropriated some basic rules for functioning of human society that inherently derive from human psychology, and attached it to their asiatic death cult.

>>712695407 (OP)
dark hero party

>>712703431
How about a game where you get annoyed by weird aliens?

Ah yes, the very quote that is misconstrued by both evangelicals and ledditors alike.

>>712706989
The idea of the suits not that any random schmuck gets to claim to be a demigod. It's a process of gradually transcending human limitations.

"Nihilism" is probably the most pathetic, woman brained "philosophy" ever made. It just boils down to constantly whining how nothing... le matters because you weren't born into a rich priveleged family and will never become a super popular scientist/author/celebrity so why do anything and besides the sun will explode in 9 morbilion years so nothing le matters dood omg so deep we should just spend our days watching netflix and buying funko pops because nothing matters dood!!!
It only appeals to children, twitter faggots and women.

>>712709210
Roman and Greek society functioned perfectly well without attaching some arbitrary worth to human lives. You act like Christianity appropriated some rules (you don't say from where), and justify it "muh psychology".

They didn't appropriate the idea that humans have some inherent worth. It's some bullshit they made up and some cucks thought it sounded nice.

>>712709041
Morals comes from the Latin word Mores, which means customs. Just because someone doesn't believe in God that doesn't mean they stopped following Christian customs.

>>712709489
*with "muh psychology"

>>712709489
>Roman and Greek society functioned perfectly well without attaching some arbitrary worth to human lives.
Semitic anti-European propaganda. I bet you faggot religiously believe bullshit tales about how main Roman entertainment was torturing poor brown Christians who dindu nuffin to death in their circuses, which was made up by decivilized subhumans who didn't know what "sport" is.

>>712709473
>le matters because you weren't born into a rich priveleged family and will never become a super popular scientist/author/celebrity so why do anything

Schopenhauer was son of a merchant, he's rich as fuck.
Imagine thinking everything is about money. How shallow are you?

>>712709489
The worth of human life in Rome and Greece was tied go honor. Men proved their honor by being manly, winning battles, maintaining their lineage, being magnanimous. Women's honor was instead tied to their beauty, their ability to raise children and maintain the household. People who were enslaved were seen as deserving of such status.

>>712709589
>we believe that people have inherent worth because muh habit
???

>>712706989
>untermensch
Nazi invention has nothing to do with what Nietzsche's thought on the matter. (Note: Nazis were nihilists and postmodernists).

>>712709489
>underage teenager tries to discuss "mature" topics
Yes man, human lives having value is a modern invention. Retard.

>>712709667
I'm sure Romans and Greeks gave a lot of fucks about the dignity of plebs and foreigners, and suggesting a contrary reality is some hook-nose revisionism according to retards like you.

>>712709720
>People who were enslaved were seen as deserving of such status.
Another piece of abrahamic bullshit. The institution of slavery was very well elaborated within Roman law, and there were many details which semites forgot to tell you about. For example
>An owner is not allowed to grant the slave freedom, unless the slave consents to getting freed
There was even a festival when household servants and their masters traded places for a day and latter served former.
I think this should be more than enough to understand that was was considered "slavery" in Rome had absolutely nothing to do with how European Christians treated their slaves in the New World.

>>712695407 (OP)
Not a single person here has read Nietzche and most opinions here are just parroting whatever E celeb said on their latest video

fuck off people

>>712709889
It's a Christian idea. It has nothing to do with objective reality.

>>712705831
if religion is your answer then i dont even want to know the question.

>>712709782
Yes. Although our behavior is tied to biology. For example, even animals have a sense of justice and empathy, but empathy is selective. To illustrate, most White people treat dogs like humans, while Arabs think dogs are dirty and don't want anything to do with them, while eating dogs was fairly common in China and Korea not so long ago.

>>712709473
>nihilism bad, just enjoy your shitty 9 to 5 job with mediocre wife and be happy you're not a starving african child and pray to imaginary diety that gives you a false sense of purpose. You will enjoy slop and you will be happy

Cope, im not choosing the blue pill you gay nigger jew faggot.

>>712709972
you sound like a faggot that bases their life on Star Wars or Marvel slop (yes that's worse than being a Christian and no I'm not going to explain why)

>>712709903
>thinks Roman plebs had the same status as foreigners

>>712695407 (OP)
He's not a nihilist. He aware of nihilist existence and choose to cover his ears and avoid eye contact with it. Anyone who avoid study of nihilism are coping and lying with themselves to a certain degree

>>712709935
Giving a slave their freedom back means that the master comsiders that he earned that right.

>>712695407 (OP)
is this another 'kill god' jrpg thread
aslo almost every game is nihilist manifestation where you just murder and destroy

>>712709995
If it was so strongly tied to biology people wouldn't need religion to guide them. You're clearly a science cuck that can't see what is truly going on.

>>712709903
>I'm sure Romans and Greeks gave a lot of fucks about the dignity of plebs and foreigners
t. someone who only knows about societies of Antiquity from low effort abrahamic propaganda written by barely literate semites

>revisionism
Revisionism implies that there was something to revise. But there was nothing to revise. Browns just killed all literate white people and forced masses to convert to their asiatic religions at knife point. After that they wrote some shit about how godless white devils all behaved like homosexual cannibals. Reconstruction of the actual picture of ancient societies is a hard process that can only be done using scraps of actual knowledge that was preserved, for example one about their legal systems.

>>712709969
Yes man, that is why roman and greek civilisation treated war veterans with way more respect than the modern christian world, or why slaves actually were better treated than how christians treated their own slaves, including the legal right to become a free citizen. Retard.

>>712710035
Wow, you're so smart anon.

>>712710071
Never said that. My point was that in ancient societies only a very small part of society had any value. The rest was considered worthless trash or worse.

>>712710103
He understood how big the challenge of overcoming nihilism is though. That's what the abyss quote means. We look at a reality that consists of just matter and energy and see no inherent meaning in it, just an endless void.

>>712710071
aren't you supposed to wear a face mask while welding
though I suppose it's a moot point considering the motherfucker welded his head into a hole

>>712710138
Religion is a custom.

>>712710176
Slaves were treated "well" because you don't damage your property for shits and giggles. Not because they gave a shit about them.

>>712710147
You've accepted the Christian worldview as reality, and you don't even know that it's the case. It's kind of sad.

>>712710138
>wouldn't need religion to guide them
Oopsie

>but muh troons, think about troons!
Troons are result of a religion named freemasonry.

>>712710147
The Medieval Dark Ages happened because a bunch of German barbarian rapists invaded Rome.

>>712710278
Watching Marvel movies is a custom.

>>712710229
In the ancient world there was a strict hierarchy of value. That's hard to understand for modern plebs because we are sold on the Christian/Liberal idea that everyone is equal, even though value is actually tied to class, race, and money.

>>712710371
Politics have taken over the role of religion. Socialism is pretty much just a religion where God was dethroned. Their values are based on fuck all like Christian values were.

>>712710407
Capeshit is a modern secular religion, albeit a minor one.

>>712710565
This is the closest you've been to saying anything worthwhile in this thread but you're still way off.

>>712710138
its not black and white strictly either or, just like you dont operate on either pure logic or instincts only, its a mix of both

>>712710226
>eat the goyslop and be happy!

>>712710382
>because a bunch of German barbarian rapists invaded Rome
Because we all know that Germans are all about destroying culture and information, right? That's just what Germans were doing for all the recorded history. Germany is obsessed with destroying civilized world even today, that's just in their blood.

Do you even believe that shit yourself? I understand, because for some reason your history education forgot to tell you about what was actually going on with Roman demographics.
Germanics north of Rome were hunter-gatherers and primitive farmers, there weren't many of them. But cultures south of Rome, where it was also expanding, were old, numerous agrarian civilization and having their own well-developed religions. The expansion of Rome southward generally meant Rome gradually turning brown. One of the last actual glimpses of the shit that was happening in Rome was arab named Elagabalus becoming the emperor, bringing black stone from Middle East into Rome and ordering to worship it above European deities. He was killed, but the very fact of something like this being possible should demonstrate where that society was going. In all likelihood, the total semitic chimpout which ended that civilization happened soon after. And since there were nobody left to protest, telling tales like
>it wuz ackshully white people who destroyed white people's civilization
was very easy for those who took over.

>>712695407 (OP)
dark souls

>>712695407 (OP)
everyone knows nihilism is the most reasonable and logical philosophy to secretly know is true but its the most cringe shit in the universe to ever quote out loud and you look like a loser for espousing it so you have to keep up a facade of optimism and hopefulness in order to not be a depressing fuck no one likes

>>712697621
evolve towards what, exactly? what's wrong with the golden rule?

>>712698995
>You're supposed to accept disease and natural disasters as normal....just...just because okay!?

>>712710925
>woe is me I must consoom for nothing matters anyway
yeah bro it's surely the best and reasonable, lmao

>>712710982
>if God real why bad things happen!?
anon, I...

>>712710350
>Christian worldview
Which is so vague and blurred you can declare almost anything a "Christian worldview".
In reality to define it, you need to look at thigs that are present in it while not being present in any other worldview. Which for Christianity happen to be a weird fascination with corpses and torture porn.

>>712710925
the most logical conclusion is suicide

>>712711074
answer it then.

>>712711002
It is a fact, you are free to be on copium if it makes you function better.

>>712710683
People can't even fucking tell what's going on anymore thanks to individualism.

The important part here is that humans pass shit by telling stories, and in modernity a lot of people are under the impression that science has removed that need. Morons like you are missing the forest for the trees here.

That's how we also end up with retarded projects like socialism where people try to throw the old methods in the trash and make religion into a science, which doesn't work because they're only able to pass on what is explicitly stated, which is why they can't state the profound without making it repulsive.

>>712710303
The Bible says you’re allowed to beat slaves within an inch of their life and it’s okay as long as they don’t die
American slavery was based off what the Bible said was okay, but they still did shit like turning them into shoes and couches

>>712710812
Yes, you are very inteligent.

>>712711167
Yeah exactly, he won't answer it cause he's a gay jew nigger.
I understand genocide because evil people have free will. But diseases and natural disasters? Like come on that's not our fault.

>>712711167
why do you assume god cares about every ant, why do you assume god is benevolent
why do you assume you are not in hell

>>712710541
>Politics have taken over the role of religion.
Modern public politics aren't serious enough to be called a religion, especially considering that they are completely disconnected from actual mechanisms of governance, that are obscured from plebs. They only amount to being a FANDOM. That's right, your dedication to left chicken wing or right chicken wing is functionally identical to having a favorite faction in Warhammer 40k. Fandoms can define a large portion of one's identity in post-industrial society where people no longer need to define themselves by their profession, but that doesn't make them religions.

>Socialism is pretty much just a religion
True, but average pleb in 1st world doesn't care about socialism much. It is only attended to by a tiny minority of freemason priests in academia.

>>712710925
>everyone knows nihilism is the most reasonable and logical philosophy
Boy does it surprise me that a future trans suicide statistic is a le nihilist.

>>712711167
Nta, but
>Something, something. Free will, mysterious ways
When zi was in Christian school, the only answer you ever got was to not think about it. It’s really fucking stupid

>>712695407 (OP)
>retarded
>larps as a pole without speaking a nick of polish writes all his shit in german anyway
>dies to syphilis
L E L reminder there is only one true GERMAN GIGACHAD PHILOSOPHER

>>712711309
well then you're denying the christian worldview

>>712711097
It's not vague at all. It's actually pretty fucking easy to figure out the most important differences, by looking at what Romans held in high regard but modern society finds repulsive. You just look at the things they thought were good but we think of as barbaric.

>>712711309
Uh because that's what christians say? And if he is not benevolent, why worship?

>>712711313
Modern leftists are zealots in most regards, they're just so retarded that they're unable to accomplish much.

video games, haha

>>712711416
>by looking at what Romans held in high regard but modern society finds repulsive. You just look at the things they thought were good but we think of as barbaric.
You mean on things like dousing poor brown Christians who dindu nuffin in flammable liquids and using them as light sources? Or "Roman blood sports" when a gladiator needed to train in a special school for couple years to become one, and then immediately die in combat? We've already established that your knowledge about original European civilization exclusively consists of semitic religious propaganda.

>>712711002
Yet you consume because life matters, wow, such difference

>>712711478
The actual zealots kill people and lay their lives down for their goal. Those fags' "zealotry" amounts to screeching really loud in places where it's permitted.

>>712711213
If you haven't noticed the Old Testament is extremely barbaric. It's why beliefs like Gnosticism exist, even back then people couldn't square how Jesus could be the same God as the God of the Old Testament.

The God of the Old Testament is extremely sadistic, while Jesus was told be extremely kind. That's why you have passages like you describe but despite that there's an emphasis on kindness in Christianity.

>>712711670
That's only because they're cowards. You can see with the Summer of Love and the current LA riots. That they're absolutely willing to hurt and kill people if they can get away with it.

>>712711803
The New Testament says you can keep doing slavery. Jesus was oddly okay with it

>>712711869
Wonder who the protestors on J6 were trying to hurt when they were chanting
>Hang Mike Pence
Truly a mystery

>>712711591
You're the one that brings up that shit not me. I don't really understand why you're so obsessed with this shit. Just because a society doesn't value human life doesn't necessarily mean they have to be sadistic.

>>712711976
Uhh, based?

>>712711869
>That they're absolutely willing to hurt and kill people if they can get away with it
So how many people they've killed so far, considering how popular this fandom is? That's it.
That is before even considering the amount of government operatives working as provocateurs involved in violent events.

>>712711382
you dont know christian worldview, look up 'original sin'

>>712710857
>Do you even believe that shit yourself?
Yes. Look at WW2. Look at modern Germ*ny.

>>712711894
A running theme of Christianity is that by just being kind you'll turn people to your side. It's really childish but it has worked better than it should have. Turning your other cheek and being a good servant to your master was the same shit really. Being so suicidally kind that others would eventually see that they're in the wrong.

>>712712086
>I don't really understand why you're so obsessed with this shit.
You are the one stating things that sounds like complete bullshit, for example
>The original civilization to which modern era European civilization caught up by most metrics only by late 19th century ackshully didn't value human life, because my asiatic religion with torture porn mythology told me so
I attempt to figure out where did you get that shit, and those middle eastern tales about godless white devils are the only thing coming to mind.

>>712712153
Did you forget that I said that you people are cowards? That matters more than any of your deeply held beliefs.

>>712710656
Nigger.

>>712695407 (OP)
JRPGs where you kill god.

>>712712238
>Look at WW2
Identical conduct to other European powers. Pioneered many technological areas, likely would have been first in space ww2 didn't happen.

>Look at modern Germ*ny
Humiliated nation that lost the war, on which enemies inflict all kind of abuse. Germans obviously don't rule modern Germany. Still, manages to be exporter of cutting edge technology.

>>712712339
>Did you forget that I said that you people are cowards?
So you mean they can't be zealots? Real zealots have no fear, they are consumed by something which is more than their life.

>>712711203
t. Jordan Peterstein

>>712712296
Romans and Greeks didn't value human lives. They valued their citizens. They didn't have this pathological need to feel sorry for the foreign civilizations that they eradicated that we have today.

>>712711803
Jesus was Gnostic himself.

>>712712457
Not everyone that shits on you is a J.B. Peterson. Some of us actually have valid points.

>>712712401
>likely would have been first in space ww2 didn't happen
Which is a shame since they fucking started it.
>Nu Germany
>cutting edge technology
RUMAO

>>712712448
You can be a spineless fanatic/zealot.
>no real Scotsman fallacy
fuck off

>>712712295
Owning slaves isn’t very kind, and historically, Christianity has been used to justify a lot of murders

>>712712540
So?

>>712712546
I don't disagree with all of it, it's just written in a really annoying manner.

is this the designated christian seethe thread?

>>712712470
>They didn't have this pathological need to feel sorry for the foreign civilizations that they eradicated that we have
Did Christians value lives of demographics they've clashed against? Were American settlers bleeding heart faggots repenting before injuns for being evil white devils, or did they just smoke them in any conflict of interest?
It looks like this subject has nothing to do with the dominant religion, and defined by much simpler things.

>today
You mean when nobody in 1st world gives a fuck about abrahamism?

>>712712812
Quick! Name one game.

>>712712653
I didn't say that slavery was kind, but you're kind... of retarded.

>Christianity was used to justify atrocities
So, if I used the 60s Batman TV show to commit or justify evil acts. Would that mean that the TV show was evil or morally wrong?

>>712712878
The Westerner leaders do worship Jews tho.

>>712695653
>Disco Elysium
>leftist
have you even played that game

>>712712914
The 60’s Batman show isn’t a religion. It’s incredibly dumb to compare it to the Bible
You’re kind of… really retarded

>>712699538
Awful drawing of an elder thing. They're supposed to have 5 eyes, not 6, 5 wings, not 2, 5 hands, not 2, 5 legs, not 7.
The whole fucking point of them is that they're 5 all over. How do you fuck that up.
The art is technically impressive tho I will give it that.

>>712712906
I think Pillars of Eternity has some dialogue choices for nihilists.

>>712712965
>He doesn't understand the role of jews in the world and actually believes that
Ngmi just like that entire board of retards which believe that jews are superhumans with mind control powers.

>>712695653
>rightoids in charge of media literacy

>>712712878
Christianity was universalist from the start. People have no problem giving socialism another chance despite how many mass graves they end up filling. I could take the stance that "Real Christianity has never been tried before.", but that's beside the point.

You act like the Bible is supposed to have some magical powers where everyone that comes into contact with it is supposed to become a "good person" instantly.

>>712705831
the christian religion was fine in a medieval world without globalised trade, movement and information. we need something new and more fitting for our new age. i propose esoteric hitlerism.

>>712711803
most people dont have even a surface knowledge of old testament and have a reduced view of christianity as 'jesus loves everyone... turn the other cheek' and try to argue from this position

>>712713056
So, people are just wrong to base their entire life on something like Star Wars? The only thing that is stopping some of these works from mutating into religions are the corporations that own them.

>>712712401
Holy Roman empire

>>712712754
its written with teenager maximalism and anger not even sure why you'd compare it to peterstein

>>712713251
I propose Uncle Granpaism, so everyone can feel like they belong in a family.

>>712713412
Nobody goes to Star Wars church in good faith. People don’t pray to George Lucas. Star Wars doesn’t say it’s okay to own slaves
You really shouldn’t compare the Bible to fiction. It’s just makes you look dumb

>>712712980
https://youtu.be/DOz4QcRZu_g?t=317

>>712712295
turning the other cheek and being kind was veey situational. he was preaching to a cult of jews in the fucking ancient rome, kikes got btfo by the romans over and over again. turning the other cheek was just a survival tactic for the times. clearly he wasnt all about tolerating abuse when he chased the money lenders out from the temple.

>>712713056
>The 60’s Batman show isn’t a religion. It’s incredibly dumb to compare it to the Bible
Actually, this >>712712914 person probably doesn't even realize himself, just how brutally, relentlessly on point that analogy is.

Consider the scenario
>The civilization destroyed by some global event, most of knowledge is lost, people reduced to sustenance farming
>One day barbarians find an intact library
>Most of library's contents are completely useless to them on their level of civilization, but in the midst of classical literature and scientific textbooks they find something incredibly precious
>THE COMIC BOOKS
>Those have amazing colored pictures of cool people doing cool magical shit, and there isn't that much of text, so the old wise man in village who still remembers letters can't read them
>What's better, comic book stories teach good and moral things in a way accessible even for children
>It is given that this artifact will become the foundation of new era's culture, and everything that those barbarian make of themselves will be backed up by it
>Eventually it will grow into a system of beliefs about people of old who had divine power and performed miracles
>There will be temples to Superman, and people will be taught that Batman will come and fuck them up at night, if they sin
>Even after the new civilization grows enough to appreciate other contents of the library, the capeshit comics will still be most important thing ever, because the whole civilization stands on them

What I'm saying, the probability of your infallible holy scripture, the most important text in the universe, in fact being an amalgamation of Roman capeshit oriented towards lowest common denominator falling through the blender of civilization collapse is much, much higher than you think.

>>712713591
yeah but you gotta keep the browns out since yhey are ugly and stop the jews from usurping it somehow

>>712695407 (OP)
In Vagante there's a trait called Faithless Heathen that allows you to gain stats by destroying shrines dedicated to Gods.

>>712713608
That means all the faggots that quote Harry Potter and capeslop to make a point are bad faith actors? I actually like that.

>>712713412
Does SW answer existential or world creation questions

>>712695407 (OP)
Elden Ring with Lord of Frenzied Flame ending

>>712713480
So you mean Germans were loving Roman civilization so much they declared Roman empire 2 on their turf, but it was them who destroyed it in first place?

>>712713809
I don't know. All I know is that it happened a long time ago in a universe far far away.

>>712713641
Ok, so you didn't

>>712713810
This is probably the best answer in this thread.

FF is full fantasy nihilism.

>>712712218
where is 'the original sin' in the Bible
>>712711894
>The New Testament says you can keep doing slavery
where

god is dead isn't a nihilistic quote. If you bother to ever read what he says after that you'd know it's actually an encouraging message on how to replace the need for god as an external being with the idea of god in oneself. But most normies (you included) only consume retarded pop-philosophy

>>712697621
>it must adopt morals through moral philosophy rather than religious teachings/threats
It clearly doesn't work.

>>712696293
Good and evil are concepts normies and chirstcucks use to handicap themselves from ever obtaining true power. There's a reason Jews are so powerful and influential. You have to be psychopathic and willing to do bad things to be at the top

in armored core you get to pick which faction you fight for in a corpo war in the future. it has branching storylines and endings. but no matter what side you play the corporations all end up being controlled by the same guys anyways. (these guys here) pic was from a data mine of one of the games.

>>712696504
people do and will still believe in god, but god no longer had an absolute control on the narrative of the world. Since the enlightenment and empiricism, we have been almost totally detached if not completely from objective truth and objective morality. "God is dead" doesn't literally mean nobody believes in god anymore, it means that society has killed the need for god as it's absolute orator on morality and reason.

>>712715136
>Since the enlightenment and empiricism, we have been almost totally detached if not completely from objective truth and objective morality.
No, we've just realized that whatever was presented to us as "objective truth" wasn't in fact objective, because it was based on text written by a human author with human fallibility and human ulterior motives. If objective truth exists, it's definitely not in human-written texts.

>>712709972
Yeah gtfo

postal 2

>>712695727
and people accuse christians of mental gymnastics

>>712711431
>>712712295
Yet it became the world's largest religion.

>>712696056
He is a nihilist in the strictest sense of philosophy - in so far as his starting presuppositions dictate nothing has any meaning. Read: Nihilism.
That he was trying to cope with the fake nothing mattered, and struggled uselessly to inject meaning into a world he believed meaningless, doesn't make him NOT a nihilist. It means that he took nihilism seriously AND BELIEVED IT in the strict academic philosophic sense.

Then chuckle fucks like you come around thinking he was fighting against nihilism thinking casually believing that living for a purpose is somehow not nihilism.

>>712715281
Does this include the text you just wrote on truth?

>>712695407 (OP)
>>712695727
Today I will remind them.

>>712715281
The Holy Bible was merely written using human hands. Its contents are anything but a 'human-written' text; you'd know that if you'd actually read it

>>712716296
>How dare you to disrespect my jewish tanakh, this means that nothing is real!

>>712709972
>if religion is your answer then i dont even want to know the question.
what is the meaning of life
what other question would there be respecting the truthfulness of nihilism?

>>712716414
who's saying anything about "tanakh". nice spergout lmao

>>712716369
I've tried reading it once. What I observed was
>Grotesquely twisted Greek myth about Prometheus in the beginning
>Desert arabs fucking each other up
>One of the most important episodes, Abraham trying to sacrifice his son, clearly copied from a similar episode in Iliad
>The deity everyone clearly supposed to worship doing outright vile psycho shit all the time, mostly to his own worshipers
>Part 2:
>Brown semites having an argument over how to worship aforementioned deity correctly
>The main character gets brutally killed by white people despite not really doing anything wrong
>All his followers get killed by white people even more brutally, even though they didn't do anything wrong too
>The most remarkable detail is just how imaginative the author was with making up various methods of torture or execution
I learned few things by reading it, for example this text being nowhere as old as it's claimed to be because it contains plagiarized Greek mythology fragments. But overall, there's nothing about this text that couldn't have been written by one religious official over a course of few years.

I understand that a citizen of a socialist regime must always affirm that Karl Marx is the most genius man who ever lived who predicted the future and saved humanity, if he doesn't want to end up in a concentration camp. But the regime enforcing the semitic text is long gone, I think it's long due that we drop the act.

>>712716856
Sometimes you end of more correct than the source text when you copy it.

>>712716856
>doing outright vile psycho shit all the time
name three (3) examples

>>712716856
>But overall, there's nothing about this text that couldn't have been written by one religious official over a course of few years.
except for the fake we KNOW it was compiled over centuries, unless you're going to claim the entirety of the new testament was somehow written before christ, and we just haven't found the texts.
You're going to need more nuance if you want to attempt a nuanced deconstruction of a very big collection of books.
Now, by all means, move the goal posts and say you were only talking about the old testament, as if Christians are deferring to it for authority and not the literal subject of their institution's namesake.

>>712714672
I can't be bothered to find the verse but it says he said that nothing of the old law will be changed before the end of times. The Old Testament has specific instructions on how to treat slaves and who you can enslave.
Jesus was OK with the old law and the old law permits slavery so Jesus is OK with slavery.

I'm pretty sure he also instructed slaves to follow the will of their masters but that might not have been him, could have been Peter.

Arbitrarily attributing meanings to meaningless things is what we've done from the start so even if we end up stripping every morsel of mystery from even our human experience until there's nothing left of ourselves then what next? We're only going to slap meaning unto it. We're not going to get depressed and kill everyone, we'll make up new stories except next time we'll objectively know what we are and so we'll be able to knowingly design our own minds.
Knowledge is power and i'm dying to see the building blocs of people's existence catalogued and understood. I'm not afraid of pulling divinity apart because i really don't think i can kill it. I love these gods of mine. Videogames.

>>712716993
The pharaoh's free will incident
Job
The entire new testament spectacle with arbitrarily sacrificing his own son to himself

>>712717181
that's the cost of being based

>>712717038
>except for the fake we KNOW it was compiled over centuries
And how exactly do you know it? You got a time machine or something? Historical knowledge is a flimsy thing. The only reason to be sure that Greek/Roman Antiquity was real and not made up, is that its material and cultural legacy is way too complex to fabricate by anyone. But there is nothing complex about abrahamic texts.

>unless you're going to claim the entirety of the new testament was somehow written before christ
I think it's much simpler. The entire corpus of texts was simply written after the alleged date of "historical Christ", and likely after the actual destruction of Roman civilization.
Academic historiography appeared only in 18th century, before that abrahamic church had a complete monopoly on historical knowledge and was free to do whatever the fuck it want with it, to the point of having free reign to set what year it is. Not to mention, that people creating academic historiography had their brains fucked out by abrahamism during their education. So effectively, your historical source on how everything in the abrahamic scriptures was true and real is the same institution that assures its followers that a magical jew will resurrect them from the dead, and that the head of the church is a wizard.

>>712717284
>cost of being based
The other costs are losing the justification for being called loving, just or moral. Also, based on what? Based on other mythos.

What is interesting is the New Testament adds the threat of infinite punishment for limited transgressions but doubles down on the compassion God supposedly has.

>>712696819
>All he is saying is that for better or worse we in the West no longer have Religious institutions to guide us.
We do though?

I'm actually against religious institutions anyways because I believe they distort the true teachings to control people through fear and hierarchy ("you are going to hell if you don't follow me", "those people are going to hell, they are the enemies of God", "only we can absolve your sin, which you are born with", etc.) Literally the same sort of people that crucified Jesus except now they wear a cross instead of a yamulke.

The truly faithful will always be few and will follow their own spiritual path ("beware the broad path that leads to destruction") and I do not see the decline of these religious institutions as something bad, but rather as a refinement. Those who only obeyed out of fear or for conformity were never faithful to begin with, or at least, were so terrorized that their faith lost all its healing effects.

>>712717691
The Chad Old Testament vs. The Virgin New Testament

>>712713194
>leftoids in charge of shitposting literacy

>>712717691
>What is interesting is the New Testament adds the threat of infinite punishment
Bad interpretation.

Read: parable of the prodigal son and the parable of the lost sheep.

Jesus explicitly states that God never stops loving, multiple times. In fact, he even says to a crowd about to stone him "You are Elohim". God can't destroy or cast you away because you are literally him.

>>712717895
Both are reprehensible works

>>712695407 (OP)
first page of Zarathustra is so inspirational, it talks about leaving your basement and touching grass. I often listen to it in the background while playing genshin impact.

>>712713968
they absorbed and inherited it but only partially, they couldn't grasp it fully, it was like a crude imitation in many ways

>>712717181
>pharaoh's free will incident
he had plenty of free will mileage up until his heart was hardened and he used it all up for sorcery and evil
>Job
Job's sorrow was caused by the devil, not God
Job 2:6
>6And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.
>The entire New Testament
lmao, shalom. this + comparing God/Jesus Christ to Karl Marx is all I need to know. you ain't fooling anyone

>>712716993

>>712717098
>can't be bothered
lol. okay, anyway, what definition of slavery are we talking of?

>>712718008
What exactly are you challenging? The concept of hell, what it is or that it was introduced in the New Testament? Doesn't matter.
Only through belief in God (or was it specifically Jesus?) does one get the eternal good boy rewards and I can't believe something I'm not convinced is true.
I'm going to hell because the books suck and God doesn't feel like making me believe.

>inb4 free will
God has violated free will before and is (according to most denominations) omniscient so there is no free will

>>712717895
Shalom rabbi

>>712718614
shalom

>>712714672
learn to use search it only takes 2 clicks, dont be so helpless and tech illiterate

>>712718204
in what way are they reprehensible? the golden rule alone makes them timeless and wise

>>712718735
if it's so easy why didn't anyone provide the quotes?

>>712696338
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGDH3meSPyk

>>712717554
>And how exactly do you know it?
Unless you want to say the entirety of the new testament was written before the events they are explicitly writing about, The Bible necessarily was written over many centuries.
You other option is disregarding Dead Sea Scrolls dating, and claim all of it is contemporary to first century AD, and all by the same author, in many different languages (though predominantly Greek).
The former is a tactic admission of divine prophetic inspiration. The latter kicks the legs out from under any arguments that Greek/Roman pantheons are somehow prior to the Hebrew mythologies.

You lose no matter what.

You need a more nuanced approach to deconstruct The Bible, even as a collection of texts, without inadvertantly deconstructing the entirety of antiquity itself - the very thing you want to claim 'The Bible' plagiarizes, or something.

>>712718614
Bullshit, old testament circumcision is blow way out off proportion, it's just a small cut on the tip yet athetroons keep pretending it's some sort of vile genital mutilation

>>712717554
>Academic historiography appeared only in 18th century, before that abrahamic church had a complete monopoly on historical knowledge and was free to do whatever the fuck it want with it
so your claim to knowledge that Greek/Roman mythological epics were somehow copied by jews is based on what?
Put the gun down. There's no need to commit intellectual suicide. Christianity can be false and still composed by multiple authors. It's the most common avenue most take to discount the texts as divinely inspired.

>>712718631
The one where you own people as property you can have your sons, and only sons if I'm not mistaken but I could be, inherit. The hebrews (men only?) can get released on the Day of Jubilee or whatever it was but infidels won't.

You probably can give us the verses as you seem to be ready to try and say it wasn't slavery.

>>712718551
>he had plenty of free will mileage up until his heart was hardened
It is explicitly stated, that he intended to just let jews fuck off. However, his free will was disabled. Why was this disabled? So the abrahamic deity could inflict calamities on people.
What's funny is that he was free to inflict those calamities just because. But instead he choose to arrange a spectacle with no free will actors except himself.
Seriously, this is probably the most egregious episode in the whole text showcasing the personality and intellectual level of its author.

>Job's sorrow was caused by the devil, not God
God greenlighted it for no purpose except an opportunity to wank his ego.
Personality of abrahamic deity being a textbook narcissistic psychopath who gets sublime pleasure from fucking with people is a well-established fact at this point.

>lmao, shalom
Christards' codependent bipolar relationship with jews is truly a thing of its own. It's like their brain shuts down, knowledge about jews and their religion moves behind a blind spot, and some basic scripts start screeching UR A JOO on some random triggers. Well, if I was a joo, shouldn't that mean, that all your spiritual culture comes from me?

>>712696757
what is Nietzsche about then?

>>712718735
nice quote
including the published translation alongside book, chapter, and verse was very helpful.

>>712718819
you refuse any information even when its spoonfed to you, you want to remain ignorant

>>712718614
>Take obvious metaphors 100% literally
>Wow it sure looks stupid if I completely misinterpret them
Why are tranny pagan larpers like this

>>712718685
>UR A JOO! A JOOOOOOO!!!
Not gonna lie this is fucking hilarious. It's like you retards are completely lobotomized.

>>712695407 (OP)
He was an incel freak simping for a used up whore.

>>712695727
This is true and all the retards not getting it show how impossible it is to talk about this guy on the internet.

>>712695407 (OP)
God is just completely neutral. A single passage from Joshua, very much sums God's stance on everything. Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go."

>>712718750
The golden rule is nice and all but that's like a challenge run, you ultimately only need to believe. God is inconsistent in many matters and you can basically do whatever you want if you just spare it a sacrifice of time or food or other things it wants.

>>712719029
post the quotes so we can be on the same page and discuss instead of hiding behind ad hominems like a coward. you said it's 2 clicks away - post it

>>712719054
your stance lines up perfectly with jewish anti-Christian stance whether you like it or not. calling a spade a spade is being lobotomized now? lmao

>>712719278
>inconsistent in many matters
not from my experience. let's see these many matters and discuss

>>712697621
>adopt morals through moral philosophy
because of this leftists now believe men can become women

>>712718856
>Dead Sea Scrolls
19th century forgery by buttfucking freemason retards with utterly clowned up provenance. Do you know what "provenance" is? It's a big no-no word to religious historians.

>Hebrew mythologies
There is no solid proof that "hebrew mythologies" ever existed. This shit is very different from general religious culture of middle-eastern semites during Antiquity, who worshiped solar cults often involving human sacrifice. Even the official abrahamic "history" claims, that this religion was always followed by a magical tribe of literate, writing desert gypsies, which was so tiny, it left basically no archaeological footprint anywhere.

>Unless you want to say the entirety of the new testament was written before the events they are explicitly writing about, The Bible necessarily was written over many centuries.
Okay, let's try again
>The civilization is destroyed, and all systematization of knowledge is gone
>Brown people kill all literate white people and force masses to convert at knife point, Latin becomes dead language, European religious tradition is destroyed
>Middle Eastern religion goes through some perturbation and writes some lore for itself, to the best of their brown middle-eastern ability. Lore involves projections of semitic personality and white people being depicted as evil sadistic cannibals
>Since all previous systematization of knowledge is destroyed, they are free to assign dates in any way they want. Any proper religion is already many centuries old when on the day it emerges.
I think this looks much more logical and realistic, that a tiny magical tribe of literate gypsies who preserve knowledge through total civilization collapses.

>>712719436
Well, lets start with the obvious one to set the discussion; the flood. Did it happen and if it did, why did it happen? Is God not perfect?

>>712719397
>your stance lines up perfectly with jewish anti-Christian stance
I also breathe air, just like joos. Oh no!

Also
>jewish anti-Christian
The feud between jews and Christians is the same type of feud as the one between Catholics and Protestants or Sunni and Shia. Constantly shittalk each other, sometimes apply actual violence, but ultimately, one side will never try to cause existential harm to another, because they share too much, and it would also mean self-harm. Christians and jews are codependent of each other. If it wasn't like that, Christians would have destroyed jews long time ago. Instead, the worst thing they ever did was a forced displacement.

>>712718882
Maybe you should tell your contemporaries because the modern version is about discouraging masturbation based off an intentional misinterpretation of the Old Testament

>Internet missionaries astroturfing a video game forum
All forms of organised religion is a cancer, magical thinking is a symptom of schizophrenia. Holy scriptures is made man compilations of philosophical thinking that is too complex for the average peasant to understand so you wrap it in a tale of magical sky kings to make it easier to digest.

Any modern game made by American liberals or people heavily influenced by them.

An explanation I just made up:
>liberals are obsessed with tolerance
>they realize that certain people are not tolerated (faggots, pedophiles, feminist women, etc.)
>mission: make these categories of people tolerated
>oops, it seems that human beings have been genetically selected in a way that prevents them from truly tolerating those people
>proof: every human civilization, from the most primitive to the most complex, has moral codes that do not tolerate those people
>strategy: start fighting these moral codes in an attempt to convince people that they have no meaning or significance, that nothing means anything, that it's all made up and useless in the end
>decades of activism in this direction with the support of billionaire that coincidentally want to genocide 90% of the human population, governments, non-governmental entities, corporations, universities, intellectuals, etc.
>final result: modern cultural products (including video games) that are fundamentally nihilistic even when they pretend not to be

>>712718204
>t. human rights faggot

>>712718669
It's in line with the meme format, The Virgin does the "right thing" and deserves ridicule and gets humiliated while The Chad is an asshole and deserves to be praised for it.

>>712719013
A man chooses, while a slave obeys.

>>712696693
we don't need nigger birthrates we need separation and eugenics and christians are against that

>>712695407 (OP)

>>712695653
disco elysium is one of those hilarious oopsies where the people making it accidently made the fascists the best faction for your character, personally.

>>712719638
it did happen and God did it because humanity ran itself to the ground spiritually and needed a hard reset

Genesis 6
>And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually

>>712696293
You have no idea what you're talking about. Read some more.

>>712696293
>what Nietzsche says is wrong because "Christcuck moralfagging"
uhuh

>>712695407 (OP)
Nietzche was an anti-nihilist

NRSVUE
Leviticus 25:44-46
>44 As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. 45 You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you and from their families who are with you who have been born in your land; they may be your property. 46 You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness.

You could "trick" (a savvy slave owner could probably manipulate the circumstances) a Hebrew to be a slave by letting him have a family
Exodus 21:4-6
>If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s, and he shall go out alone. 5 But if the slave declares, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out a free person,’ 6 then his master shall bring him before God. He shall be brought to the door or the doorpost, and his master shall pierce his ear with an awl, and he shall serve him for life.

An excerpt on what is acceptable to do to your property:
Exod 21:20-21
>20 “When a slaveowner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. 21 But if the slave survives a day or two, there is no punishment, for the slave is the owner’s property.

"A day or two" is kind of flippant, could be due to the translation or God spares little mind to details. Outside fabrics mixing, of course.

>>712696293
>t. good goy
Don't cry about being owned by Israel if you're not willing to bomb the children of your enemies.

>>712720941
shalom

>>712720540
I still can't comprehend what is exactly wrong with eugenics...? Like, seriously, what's wrong with preventing genetic diseases?

>>712717916
>I was merely pretenting

>>712695407 (OP)
philosophy is for manchildren

>>712721676
>made you reply

>>712721452
A populace that is healthy is not as easy to control an subjugate since intelligence follows health. A herd of diseased, miserable freaks is easy to manipulate as they are perpetually on edge and will eat out of the hands of anyone that offers them any sort of a benefit. We had pharmaceutical corporations openly stating that it is not profitable for them to cure illnesses.

>>712721872
politics is for faggots

>>712720672
>the flood happened
OK, so now I have to assume you have major disagreements with at least geology, physics (the formation of limestone dissolved by the flood should produce a truly massive amount of heat able to glass the world) and evolution which can't fit in a world where the flood happened IF you don't plead a miracle after which God stopped meddling. You possibly have a problem with physics as well (what radioactive decay is and how it works, specifically).

Also, you didn't answer my third question: is God perfect?
If God made man and is infinitely wise, why would it feel the need to destroy the thing that is acting just like it was always going to act?
If God is omnipotent, why did he just kill everything and not try literally anything else? Lots of collateral damage there.
Questions of benevolence don't need to be asked.

Why is this thread still up?
>>>/x/
>>>/pol/

>>712722118
It happened in a dream then God retconned it. The bible is what's canon.

>>712721452
because there are different extremes of eugenics where you only weed out the extremely deformed which is already practiced somewhat with abortion and through most of human history by leaving deformed children to die in the woods and the extreme version of directing the genes of humanity toward a certain goal.
That more extreme version is what is controversial.

>>712721452
Like with everything good and nice subhuman kraut filth run with it and ruined it for everyone

>>712722292
Canon is the thing that is accepted as the genuine account or course of events but what is "it" in this case?
The flood? The commonly accepted age of the Earth and all the things the fruits of human ingenuity and diligent research tell us about it right now?
What was the dream?

>>712722575

>>712722714
Just like the first reply, this one doesn't make sense but luckily this one can actually be deciphered. This one is just a thing posted in the wrong context.

>>712722118
I believe it makes sense and is not in disagreement with any provable laws. I do however have disagreement with darwinian theory of evolution as it is not observable and is therefore not science. microevolution, or adaptation, sure. macroevolution, or one kind of animal ever becoming another? utter tripe. your third question is answered in Genesis 1 and 2 - God created humans perfect and with free will and gave humanity one rule to exercise said free will. however, they listened to the serpent instead of God, broke the only rule, and got punished. nowhere does it invalidate God's wiadom, omnipotence, or benevolence

>>712723090
Some of your views are in disagreement with laws of logic.

A flood of the proportions suggested would show clear signs in different layers of ground. No corroborating evidence for a flood.
Darwin lived near 200 years ago, do you think we haven't made any progress? The man didn't even know about genes. Just in case: scientific theory is something that accurately predicts the real world, colloquial theory doesn't and I'm not sure you're aware of the distinction. I accept it as I have no reason to doubt it but I'm not well read on the subject. Take this Wikipedia article as a first step if you're interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laboratory_experiments_of_speciation

God is all knowing, yes? How can free will and omniscience coexist?

>>712724019
define laws of logic and how I am in disagreement with them
>it would show clear in different layers of ground
which it does
>darwin lived 200 years ago
and?
>laboratory experiments of speciation
these prove microevolution, which is adaptation, which I already said is observable
>How can free will and omniscience coexist?
how are they mutually exclusive? God knows every outcome but it's ultimately in the individual's hands to choose the direction of each branching path a life can take

>>712723090
>is not observable and is therefore not science
This is not a criterion for what's science. Science or not is decided by falsifiability aka Popper's criterion.

>microevolution, or adaptation, sure. macroevolution, or one kind of animal ever becoming another
There is no strict border between those two definition, because "species" is a completely arbitrary bracket introduced by humans for convenience, that has no basis in biology. In case of sexual reproduction, every new organism is new "species", because its genetic composition is unique.

>>712723090
uff, that's a lot to unpack, your indoctrination runs very deep, I'm feel sorry for you.

>>712724569
Laws of logic are axiomatic, we expect them to be true and I understand them to be:
>A is not not-A
>A is A
>Either A or not-A

>which it does
Well, why has this failed to convince geologists of which a significant minority is most certainly Christian?
>Darwin
Invoking "darwinianian theory of evolution" is creating a strawman of what the current theory of evolution is. Paraphrasing, what accurately reflects reality is what (ideally) stays in the consensus and what doesn't is discarded. Darwin contributed to the question of "how populations of living beings change" which is evolution and his ideas are included in it but are not the whole.

No free will can exist if God is omniscient because he must know the choice that will be made if it is ALL-knowing.

>>712695407 (OP)
Used to play The Long Dark when I was a moody teenager and thought it was nihilistic as shit. Now I'm an adult and get a Thoreau vibe from it. It's comfy.

>>712697546
lol, how can you people even function?

>>712719046
>obvious metaphors
>Jews, Muslims and Americans still circumcise their sons
Hmm, maybe someone should tell them.

>>712713781
No they aren't, they are just incredibly dumb.

>>712725604
Sorry forgot to include how you're in disagreement with the laws of logic.
With the axioms, we can produce syllogisms which are true as long as the predicate premises are true. If you accept the premises you must accept the conclusion as well.

>1. Geology produces information that accurately reflects what we see and what has happened related to the composition of the Earth.
>2. The scientific method strives to eliminate information that can't be shown to accurately describe the natural world
>3. A flood of biblical proportions is detectable in the compositional layers of the Earth
>4. Findings in geology do not support the biblical flood.
>Conclusion: from what geology presents, the biblical flood didn't happen

>>712726236
I'm not sure I got this one right, actually but I would welcome anyone to correct me

>>712726236
>>Conclusion: from what geology presents, the biblical flood didn't happen

A major flood is referred to in various texts, not just the bible (bible probably copies and adapts older texts), and a flood does not leave "geological" evidence, water flooding a region for a few months is not the same as a large meteor hitting or a large volcanic eruption.

>>712695407 (OP)
One of the most misunderstood man on earth, just like me.

>>712696504
There's no intellectual basis for god-belief. You can belive for other reasons, but the faith remains hollow.

>>712721452
The problem, really, is who tf will be deciding what is a desirable gene or not. Personally I wouldn't trust any group in control nowadays to do it.

>>712721452
Nazis did it and Nazis are le bad.

>>712725304
semantics; it does not pass popper's criterion because it is not verifiable
>>712725592
>I am feel sorry for you
okay pseud lmao
>>712725604
>geologists are in consensus
okay bud
>invoking
in what way is it creating a strawman? did the theory change in any significant way since then? I'm up to hear it
>No free will can exist if God is omniscient because he must know the choice that will be made
again - these are not mutually exclusive
>>712726236
>geology presents: the biblical flood didn't happen
let's see it

Morality is not cuckstian invention

>atheists discussing METAPHYSICS
you faggots are a disgrace, you're literally the slave moralists that neetzche faggot wrote. not believing in any objective/universal order, meaning, etc. while also using it because of "MUH PRAGMATISM"

>>712718882
Any genital mutilation forced on children is evil you deranged faggot.

When beyond good and evil NiestzcheLARPing meets real life you don’t get a gigichad ubermensch who takes humanity to the next level, you just get Jews blowing up kids and promoting interracial porn

>>712695407 (OP)
What if it's not a metaphor and God really is dead? The Bible is full of stories about him doing things but he hasn't done anything since.

>>712727281
well, the Jews are the UBERMENSCH as he stated, since they abandoned they're god and created their own meaning via zionism ethnonationalism which is ironically slave morality

>>712727479
*their

>>712726912
Nazis didn't even believe in evolution for large part.

>>712719090
He was also a sensible man who tried to teach the world to not follow his path, but to pave their own.

>>712721452
Look at various dog breeds and how fucked up they are in their own special ways.

>>712722313
Deformed people don't generally breed regardless so whether you kill them at early age or not is irrelevant for the genepool at large.

>>712727473
What if all major religions were engineered by an ancient alien civilization as a socio-cultural blueprint to guide humanity toward becoming a Kardashev Type I civilization?

>>712727926
Go home, History channel

>>712727994
no

>>712695407 (OP)

>>712726774
Pseud argument. Knowledge requires God, transcendental categories require God, otherwise you have to agree that 2+2=4 is more of an opinion than it is a fact

>>712718991
>Personality of abrahamic deity being a textbook narcissistic psychopath who gets sublime pleasure from fucking with people is a well-established fact at this point.
No it isn't. This is literal blasphemy and lies from a son of satan. Repent before it's too late for you.

>>712695727
hes basically saying what all of the most ancient of religions are saying. to be truly free one must die to the world and the world die to the self. same shit orthodox Christians say with their “death to the world” ideal.
the difference is that nietzsche was a faggot who lived as a faggot cuck and wrote ideas as old as humanity since there is literally nothing new under the sun, but jews loved him for being a spineless cuck so nowadays we learn about this cuck in school.

>>712728136
>knowledge requires god
Give evidence
>transcendental categories require god
You have to demonstrate that anything transcendental exists in the first place before making a claim like this
>2+2=4 is an opinion
It is. The statement includes a number of presuppositions and defines the metrics, standards, and rules of the game implicitly. To accept that 2+2=4, you need to accept the laws of logic to begin with, and the basic laws of arithmetic. If you reject all these presuppositions, 2+2 can be anything you want it to be. Mathematics (and science by extension) isn't an absolute be-all-end-all, it's a limited set of arbitrary models to represent phenomena.

>>712728136
>assertion
>assertion
>obviously incorrect assertion
Apologetics in a nutshell.

>>712728310
you sound like someone who wont be remembered after he dies, grim

>>712728136
aristotlean presuppositionalism + humean guillotine (epistemology), this is too advance for this board and website anon,

>>712728371
and thats a good thing.

The Old Testament's moral statements explicitly only apply to jews, the fact that goyim read it and base their entire lives around it is the wierdest form of jew worship I've seen yet.

>>712728382
If only presupps understood how ridiculous they sound for anyone sane.

>>712696293
Do what thou willt shall be the whole of the Law, the law is Love, Love under Will.

>>712728491
you're already presupposing objective linguistic laws when you wrote that sentence anon. this is basically the same when Aristotle argue about the existence of the laws of logic with the sophist (Nietzscheans of their time).

>>712728494
this is literally satanic and goes against the ideal of the ubberman since the ubberman is the archetype of man transcending his animal self, of not letting base desires and urges dictate your life and lead you to an existence of hell
on earth.

>>712728329
If math and language are just arbitrary constructs then you have to admit that your entire argument is invalid on its face. Either we have transcendental unity of apperception or we dont.

>>712728648
I didn't though

>>712728648
>>712728680
This seems to be the typical God botherer bullshit, if people won’t accept your assumptions just declare that the entirety of language and logic are assumptions and therefore invalid (even though this argument defeats everything including God equally so it’s totally fucking worthless)

>>712726631
NRSVUE
Genesis 7:4
4 For in seven days I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and every living thing that I have made I will blot out from the face of the ground.”
Genesis 4:19
>19 The waters swelled so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered;
Literal interpretation: waters rose up to Mt. Everest and everything died. The mass that volume of water has could break and move almost anything on the Earth and if that doesn't leave any signs then the 2004 tsunami couldn't have done anything either. An excerpt from Wikipedia regarding the Boxing day tsunami
>A massive tsunami with waves up to 30 m (100 ft) high
Imagine what the mass of water reaching 8000 meters can achieve when it moves, meaning rises or recedes. How could that not leave some sort of sign in the geological layers of that time?

>>712727043
>geologists are in consensus
Yeah, on this matter they are, even the Christian ones. Are they not real Christians? Is it a conspiracy?
>geology presents: the biblical flood didn't happen
I apologize if I was unclear, let me word the conclusion in a, hopefully, more clear way:
>Using geology, we can falsify the claim of a biblical flood taking place
meaning there is a lack of evidence for biblical flood. I literally can't bring forward anything, the burden of proof is on the claimant.

>free will
Explain to me how it can be that if I make a magical automaton and give it the capability to choose between two options but also I've perfect knowledge of the automaton and its environment, AND I made the environment as well, everything related to the actual decision which I know will take place and the option that will be chosen, there is somehow a uncertainty of what the decision of the automaton will be.

>>712728680
You didn't establish any of that tho
Absolutely ridiculous assertions.

>>712728136
>otherwise you have to agree that 2+2=4 is more of an opinion than it is a fact
It just happens to be a kind of opinion that makes everything involving 2 and 4 work correctly. Nothing more is needed for it to be treated as a fact.
Sure some asiatic abrahamic subhuman may start to argue against it because godless white devils disrespected his jewish mythological characters, but it can't do any harm, can it? If anything, laughing is good for your mood and health.

>>712728761
>>712728775
that's the Humean guillotine and Nitszche's deicide argument not the christcucks' arguments. Since at that time Natural Theology was the norm for the christcucks.

>>712728957
Abrahmism is whypipo culture tho

>>712728803
Oh and btw
NRSVUE
Genesis 7:6
>6 Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters came on the earth.

>>712696504
It's not literal God, in the clerical sense. It's not about faith. It's about the fact God, as a system of morality and though has perished in the previous gundred years or so. Nietzsche here, in his usual Germanically verbose writing style, is essentially summarizing the developments of British thinkers like Hume and Smith, who presented a coubterpoint to the Germanic spiritualists, people like Hegel. He is saying that this mode of though in philosophy has won out in selection over a more not literally Christian but vaguely Christian-inspired metaphysical system of organizing the world.
It's not about whay the masses believe, as he himself says "WE murderers of all murderers", this means "Philosophers" here. He explicitly includes himself, as his view is also in line with the anti-spiritualists.
You can't read Nietzsche, without understanding the historic context and the central questions in Philosophy from that time.

Nietzsche is hard to read, because his prose (even im the German) is very dense and layered and often means something different that what you might think at first.
This necessity for very careful reading is typical of continental philosophy and it's partly his fault.

>>712729020
That's not even Hume's guillotine

>>712728839
You're own worldview shouldnt expect that we have the ability to understand eachother. God is the necessary precondition for the universe

>>712728761
nta, but you are. can I say that your sentence there means "I'm a niggerloving faggot"? If you disagree with this, you automatically believe the opposite

>>712729020
You are not using those terms in their proper context you are just name dropping

>>712729027
>Abrahmism is whypipo culture tho
No it isn't. It's an asiatic culture of arabs that took over white people because Romans had a retard moment and treated browns as humans that can be integrated into their state.
The moment it lost ability to propagate in white societies by force, it gradually diminished. By now white people don't give a fuck about it, only Africa and Latin America does.

>>712729153
You're reading a script or someone? Because even that claim is false. Goodness grief, can't you write anything right?

>>712729156
You're getting more incoherent by the post. Calm down, take your happy pills and stop making up nonesense as an "argument".

>>712729387
not my problem you can't handle your own worldview's logical endpoint/consistency

>>712728803
>>712727043
Keep missing some of the points:
>did the theory change in any significant way since then?
Yeah, the ways you can influence the allele frequency in a population include: mutation, migration, genetic drift, non-random mating and natural selection. The last one, I believe, is the essence of Darwin's work.

>>712698406
New moral quandary: if you had a perfect copy of Ange that was six inches tall would you torture it?

>>712729585
its morally correct to hotglue that ange since I WILLED it

>>712729387
Youre running, gaytheists still have no justification

>>712728680
>If math and language are just arbitrary constructs
They are
>your entire argument is invalid on its face
How? Arbitrary constructs can still be useful if two entities familiar with them are using them to communicate intent and ideas. They may not be absolute, they can still allow for limited constructive interaction. There doesn't need to be any absolute unity for this to occur.

>>712729294
That’s not what happened
It was the Jews at the gates of Toledo who thought they’d face less persecution if Europe was under Muslim control instead of Christianity

>>712728668
no you dumb fuck. Crowley isn't talking about "umh, I wanna masturbate and stuff myself with junk food all day!" When he talks about Will, it's the hermetic concept of True Will - As in what you've actually came to this world to do.

>>712728668
an atheist version of a christian. the ubermensch ideal is slave morality if you think about it

philosophy fags make life way more complicated than it really is. aside from stoics. stoics are cool. rest of em are gay

>>712729858
nta, you are also required to COOM, rape shotas, and do gay sex to get sexual divinity power though to throw the christian god out of his throne as he stated

>>712729858
crowley was a fag and nothing in his lige nor in any if his followers, reflect a life worth pursuing. buncha of faggots complicating existence and the price to pay is always collected.

>>712729758
If its all arbitrary then Im within my right to subjectively affirm that you agree with me. Language itself requires an immutable transectendent objectivity, otherwise you have no business saying anyone else is saying or interpreting language improperly
>absolute unity
The only one with absolute unity is God,

>>712729829
>That’s not what happened
According to the abrahamic establishment. It wouldn't lie to subjugated population to legitimize itself, right? Right?

>It was the Jews at the gates of Toledo who thought they’d face less persecution if Europe was under Muslim control instead of Christianity
There isn't that much difference, both are asiatic arab shit.
Moreover, in all likelihood the original Christianity was very similar to Islam, then it was gradually adapted by white people. The best argument for that are fundamentalist protestants which appeared after "Catholic corruption" aka European influence was completely eliminated from Christianity. The result eerily resembles Islam
>Elimination of visual art and music from places of worship
>Elimination of organically emerged non-arab traditions and hyperfocus on scrutinizing the arab scripture
>Infant genital mutilation

>>712730097
anon, you're repeating this
>>712728382

they want metaphysics without the source, they're basically atheist neo/platonist which is just slave morality as Nitszche said

>>712729993
Stoics are tryhard faggots who seem to have the unspoken assumption that (you) owe something to someone.
Epicureanism is where the shit at.

>>712723090
You can literally track it through DNA you fucking moron.

>>712730351
>as Nitszche said
Nietzsche was a pathetic faggot who gets mogged even by his fans, why do you care what he said?

>>712728668
No, because the point Crowley is making when discussing the Will is that this is something that is divinely ordained. But not really. It's hermetic. It's the thing that exists at the heart of your eternal spirit. It is who you are.
What Crowley is saying here is that you should follow this will, you should act in accordance with who you are. Because this is pure, divine love, agape and your Will is what makes this possible.

>>712730012
No, because Christ is Horus, in Thelema. Sort of, to subsume Cosmology into Thelema is important to recognize the central parallels. Mary is Isis, Christ, the Adult and God, the Father, they are both of Osiris, while the Christ child is a separate entity, he is Horus.

It's perfectly compatible, because all of this esoteric philosophy thrives on being complex and able subsume any belief system and everything has a double and triple meaning.

>>712730445
>you can track it through DNA
Go ahead and demonstrate that then...

>>712730097
>If its all arbitrary then Im within my right to subjectively affirm that you agree with me
Not if we're still speaking the same language using the commonly accepted and defined terminology. You can't use the words incorrectly and continue to speak English, just the same way you can't make an illegal move and continue to play chess. Once you change the rules, you're playing your own game. This isn't the gotcha you think it is.
>Language itself requires an immutable transectendent objectivity
No, it doesn't. It just needs a common consensus. That's why linguistic authorities like Oxford and Merriam Webster exist.
>otherwise you have no business saying anyone else is saying or interpreting language improperly
I do, based on the convention determined by the linguistic authorities. And we need linguistic authorities specifically BECAUSE there is no transcendental objective standard to the language.

>>712730306
Early day Christianity was a bunch of competing Jesus clubs until one group finally went up to Constantine and said
>We’ll make you figure head of our religion for protection and tax exempt
status
But I do think there’s a big difference in what mentioned in your previous post and Jews collaborating with Muslims specifically because they thought it would be good for them.

>>712728480
it's all ancient fan fiction autism
organized religion is what happens when you let shit like undertale threads get way out of hand

>>712728803
you have no idea what you are talking about. there was no tsunami - it both rained and "waters of the deep" sprung forward for 40 days and 40 nights, covering the dry land, then the waters stayed for 150 days before slowly (over the course of 3months+) receding back into the Earth
>Yeah, on this matter they are
blatant lie. there is no consensus on this. there are refutations in an attempt to invalidate the Bible but that's far from a consensus
>meaning there is a lack of evidence for biblical flood
another lie and/or ignorance. you haven't looked into the subject if you think that's the unfalsifiable truth
>Explain to me how (...)
No, I don't think I will provide an answer to the gibberish that followed. ask the question in a comprehensible way and I will answer it
>>712729043
and Adam lived to be 930 years old. your point being? the 120 max age was set later. also use KJV, nrsvue is just embarassing; you're out of your depth

>>712730621
>you cant use words incorrectly
Is that a moral objective claim?

>>712730581
none of this shit matters you faggot. this is all a larp made to reinforce the ego. true liberation is as simple as breathing.

>>712730625
>Early day Christianity was a bunch of competing Jesus clubs
Again, according to what abrahamic establishment reports about itself. Which is, excuse me please, NOT FUCKING REAL, since it comes from the same source as tales about magical jews pirating fish.
The actual history of abrahamic religions has yet to be discovered and mapped, but some inklings are visible.

>>712730464
I don't know anon. since most of the time, this website dicksuck him and his writings were gospel since day 1
>>712730621
nta, but that's an appeal to the masses fallacy

>>712730598
Already been done. Not my fault you're a faggot plugging your ears.

>>712730745
No, you braindead fucking moron. That claim contains neither a value judgment nor a claim to objectivity. In fact, my entire claim has been that objectivity is impossible (specifically because of the absence of a transcendental unity). What we call objectivity is a convention prescribed by a unitary authoritarian body in a specific field, empowered by us specifically to set uniformity and standards.

>>712730831
Source: I did it just now
Compelling

>>712730780
Just because everyone is drinking the same vinegar, doesn't mean that their comments on the flavor don't matter.

>>712730820
I don't think you understand what an appeal to popularity fallacy is. Saying "everyone believes X therefore X is real" is an appeal to popularity. Saying "everyone is empowering X to make Y decision for us so that we can have uniformity" isn't.

>>712730870
>objectivity is impossible
Thats a objective claim

>>712730897
you’re right about that.

>>712695407 (OP)
He was saying that we no longer need a magic man in the sky to tell us to act civilized, we've reached the point where we can do it without being told.
If he saw how shit is today, he'd be screaming that we need God again, cuz we clearly fucked up.

>>712730819
I don’t believe this stuff either, but it was drilled into my head as a kid. They don’t really go over real world history that took place around that time and just have assume it was a peaceful transition after Jesus went back to his home planet.
They also didn’t tell us that Muhammad and the rest of the Muslim faith believe in Yahweh too

>>712730820
>but that's an appeal to the masses fallacy
no, it isn't because the point is tht these things only exist in the form of consensus.
If you take away the consensus and to you "yes" means what "no" means to me, then communication becomes impossible.
The point is that there MUST BE consensus, otherwise language does not work and consus is the only way in which language CAN function.

>>712730935
>literally twists and minces words to say the same thing pretending he isnt
Worlds smartest atheist

>>712730403
>Epicureanism
some of it is interesting but the avoidance of pain is not the answer to a fulfilling life. stocism advocates a more balanced approach to life. the assumption isnt that you owe thing to other people, but rather there is some fulfillment that comes packaged with kindness to yourself and others

>>712730935
>Not if we're still speaking the same language using the commonly accepted and defined terminology.
>No, it doesn't. It just needs a common consensus. That's why linguistic authorities like Oxford and Merriam Webster exist.

also appeal to authority fallacy
>I do, based on the convention determined by the linguistic authorities.

>>712730938
Nah, it's still subjective. Fuck you and your wordplays.

>>712730938
>"my" claim
>hurrrrrrrr that's an objective claim
How old were you when you were first diagnosed with mental retardation?

>>712730995
>muslims believe in yahweh
The theologicak differences are such that no they fucking dont. Muslims think God changes, that He has parts, that His word cant be corrupted EXCEPT WHEN ITS IN THE HANDS OF THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS.
its like saying jehovahs witnesses and mormons believe in the same Jesus that Christians do

>>712731084
>>712731050
>w-w-well its my opinion
I dont value your opinion and Im not taking truth claims from your opinion

>>712730819
That's not true. While you can't see the man behind the curtain, you can see his shadow. If you look at the decisions made at the early councils, you can easily infer why these decisions were made and the reason is:
>Early day Christianity was a bunch of competing Jesus clubs

After all, the reason the catholic church is named what it is, was their early willingness to accept most of the different Jesus cults.

>>712731024
Aww, did he use too big for your tiny, tired head? Did you have a buubuu? Daw... Why don't you pray for a binky for your god that's totally real and loves you personally?

>>712731024
Ah, I see you suffer from stupidity. Let me break it down for you even further:
What is an appeal to popularity: "I believe my claim to be true because it's the commonly accepted claim". This is fallacious because the popularity of a claim says nothing about its correctness. This type of fallacy is most often used when it comes to dichotomous truths.
What is not an appeal to popularity: "We, as a society, empower certain associations to set standards for us to have uniformity". This is neither an appeal to popularity nor fallacious, and could not possibly be either, since it makes no claim to truth, and in fact acknowledges that the inherent subjectivity of a social construct is outsourced to a unifying body (what we call objectivity, in this case).

>>712731084
>>712731050
>>712730938
Another low IQ philosophical debate that ends with both sides playing semantic gymnastics. Many such cases.

>>712731027
>some of it is interesting but the avoidance of pain is not the answer to a fulfilling life
t. someone who never dealt with actual pain and misery

Sitting on your ass in your warm home in an orderly 1st world nation and posting based and redpilled memes about how suffering builds character, which what most of internet stoics do, is one thing. But the moment life actually feeds you some shit, you're going to wish it didn't.

>>712731039
In this particular case, an appeal to authority is not a fallacy, because the authority quite literally controls the social construct. For example, if Merriam Webster redefined the word "retarded" tomorrow to mean "extremely smart", you would cease being retarded, and I would be wrong for calling you as such.

>>712731239
You said the same thing twice and you know it
You communicated an identical concept one more than once and are aware of it

>>712730995
>muslim faith
nope.

1 John 2
>22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

>>712731204
>language is a social construct
>however, we're able to understand each other therefore language has unity
>this unity may come from either a transcendental being or a subjective unifying body
>i refuse the claim that the unifying body creates unity as it stems from a subjective claim
>therefore, the universe has transcendental unity from a god

>>712731027
>the avoidance of pain is not the answer to a fulfilling life
It is literally the aim of a fulfilling life to minimize your own suffering as much as possible.
You cannot live a fulfilling life in pain, you cannot live a fulfilling life in misery and you should do everthing you can to balance things so you experience the minimal possible amount of suffering. Because suffering is bad for you and suffering is what destroys people.
What doesn't kill you doesn't make you stronger, it makes you weaker. Everything bad that happens to you just makes you weaker and less capable of enduring further suffering.

>>712731251
>me, le based centrist never having an opinion is obviously correct

>>712731429
>letters
Jesus never said tht

>>712731530
You can ONLY live a fulfilling life in pain. Anything worth doing in life is painful, and the very essence of life is defined by pain. Not all pain is meaningful, but all meaning is found through pain.

>>712730621
words dont’t mean anything without something objective to reference. you can’t eg reference something being hot without something that is hot. actually think about it for a second, man.

>>712731602
Hot take: Jesus never said anything and it's all made up.

>>712731296
>t. someone who never dealt with actual pain and misery
i dealt with a lot. however even being homeless and having a rough childhood in america is better than living a "normal" life in some other countries. but this isnt about me so if were going to continue discussing this id appreciate if you'd stop making it personal and assuming things about my life. anyway yes, a person while suffering will wish that is ends as soon as possible. but once you come out on the other side you're definitely a stronger person. thats part of what stoicism is about.

>>712731710
I mean, yes. But yknow the Bible doesn't even say that Jesus said that.

>>712731685
There is no "objective" hot
lmao you couldn't have picked a worse example

>>712731685
Experiences are not objective. Experiences are by their very definition, subjective. Associating sensory experiences to a linguistic definition only requires a subjective reference. Actually think about it for a second, man.

>>712731602
okay. here's the same message from Jesus' own mouth:

John 3
>16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

bonus:

John 11
>25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:26And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

get saved.

>>712731685
But how is something being "hot" objective? Isn't that just your feelings, I don't believe you have feelings.

>>712731671
Why havn't you fucked up your fingers with a sledgehammer yet? It is EXTREMELY painful.
LARPing faggot.

>>712731710
shalom

>>712731879
Because I would derive no meaning from doing so.
>Not all pain is meaningful, but all meaning is found through pain
Reread the post, you fucking retard.

>>712731323
still appeal to authority, by this logic the jews did nothing wrong since they control the west

>>712731892
Jesus probably said that many times considering his ethnic and religious background.

>>712731671
No, if something is difficult and painful it's not worth doing. You are doing something you shouldn't be doing, if you are suffering. Everything you do should be easy, because if it's not, then you're doing something you are not prepared for.
This is the truth of life. Suffering is meaningless and useless. Sure, you might be able to get better by doing it, but you could have achieved the same gain with proper preparation. You don't have to suffer.
That's the key.

>>712714875
It does though. It's just that it turns out that most people are unworthy of having genuine freedom.

>>712731828
Based, God bless you on this fathers day

>>712731828
Do you even know what this passage is saying?

>>712731965
Correct, it is an appeal to authority, which is non-fallacious, and I explained why that is. Just the same way if FIDE decides to change the rules of chess tomorrow, we can no longer continue to play FIDE chess while playing by the same old rules. Social constructs cannot contain any absolute objectivity, therefore appeals to authority are appropriate.
>jews did nothing wrong
"Wrong" by whose morality? Whose standards? Which jew? I also recommend reading a book or two. Atrocities have been rebranded countlessly by the victors.

>>712732000
>most
All in no small part due to our fallen nature and willingness to sin. The world immediately starts falling apart as soon as weirdos like you try and claim some form of exemption.

>>712710246
maybe they did it for views. most people record themselves doing something like that, let alone put the video up when they fuck up like that.

>>712731994
>if something is difficult and painful it's not worth doing. You are doing something you shouldn't be doing, if you are suffering.
what lol learning C++ was pretty painful but it was definitely worth it. what are you talking about

>>712721452
Because who gets to decide? The government? The corporations? The churches/mosques/synagogues? The WTO? Whom would you entrust this duty to?

>>712731323
MW doesn't define words, it describes them

>>712731994
>something is difficult and painful it's not worth doing
Everything in life is painful. Any choice is a deliberate negation of its cost opportunity. But avoiding pain is a phenomenal way to live a completely useless and meaningless life.

>>712732197
I'm sure that sounded way smarter in your head.

>>712732172
>learning C++ was pretty painful
if you had been more prepared beforehand, it wouldn't have been so painful, you are proving my point

>>712732212
And now we reach the key point, which is that you need trade immediate suffering for gains in the future. And the answer is simple, you always need to trade up.

>>712732179
Dont bother, retards have no issue opening pandoras box when it suits them, then its 2025 and black queens decide DA WYTE MANS TIME IS UP and BAWWWW HOW COULD THEY DO THIS TO US!!!!

>>712731725
>but once you come out on the other side you're definitely a stronger person.
More cautious for that shit to not happen to you again, perhaps. Or desensitized to eating shit. But not "stronger" as more capable by any means.
However, there's saying that only retards learn on their own mistakes, and not on mistakes of others. Perhaps, someone explained to you that making your own mistakes makes you "strong" lol.

>>712732293
No, he's right yknow.
Merriam Webster changing an entry, would mean the entry is wrong, not that the word means something else.

>>712728382
Most people who use presuppositionalism don't actually understand what it is, including you and the pseud you replied to. They just hear some youtuber use it and regurgitate it without fully understanding why it isn't a convincing line of philosophy.

>>712732296
>you must avoid all pain
>acktshually you need trade immediate suffering for gains in the future
>in response to a post where i infer that you must choose pain which has meaning as an outcome

>>712732293
Hes right though. Webster isnt prescribing definitions.

>>712732425
You are misquoting me. Why is that?
Did you run out of arguments?

>>712732293
It's smart as written, idiot. Dictionaries don't get to decide what words mean. They only describe them based on the way they're used by speakers of that language. This is middle school shit, anon.

>>712695727

>>712723090
>not observable
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_long-term_evolution_experiment

>>712732076
yes, it's pretty straight forward - believe unto Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved

bonus 2:
Acts 16
>26And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.27And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.28But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.29Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

>>712732293
When Miriam Webster says Women can be Men and vice versa, Im sure you agree, supersmart anon....

>>712732124
>fallacies are not fallacies when its useful to me
there's no point to continue.

>>712732605
stop posting fanfic

>>712732490
>No, if something is difficult and painful it's not worth doing. You are doing something you shouldn't be doing, if you are suffering
>It is literally the aim of a fulfilling life to minimize your own suffering as much as possible
>You cannot live a fulfilling life in pain
>Because suffering is bad for you and suffering is what destroys people.
>What doesn't kill you doesn't make you stronger, it makes you weaker
Le misquotes

>>712723090
>sure, you can walk
>BUT YOU CAN NEVER WALK A MILE!
Never understood how anyone can take this macro-micro nonesense seriously.

>>712732641
see >>712731530
>It is literally the aim of a fulfilling life to minimize your own suffering as much as possible.
The goalpost has not moved since the very first post.
Of course, "minimize [...] as much as possible" is deliberately weasly language, but nobody called me out on that.

>>712732172
>what lol learning C++ was pretty painful
Lmao what? It's a fucking programming language. You werent being forced to watch some disturbing or disgusting shit or something. Normal humans without some esoteric brain damage do not suffer from learning things, human brain literally exists to learn things.
Same shit for fart huffers who for some reason consider normal physical training without any excesses "painful". It's not supposed to be. Although perhaps some people consider lifting their asses from a chair to do somthing an excruciating suffering.

>>712732621
>i will drop the argument because i have been cornered and have no response

>>712732638
>THAT DIDNT HAPPEN!!!! So anyways, my fishpa walked up on land and had functioning eyes and could breathe, and his fins turned into hand as per this kfc bucket of rocks and shit

>>712732605
>Acts
>historical
lmao

>>712732780
why are you now writing fanfiction?

>>712732717
>No, if something is difficult and painful it's not worth doing. You are doing something you shouldn't be doing, if you are suffering
>which is that you need trade immediate suffering for gains in the future
Explain to me in very simple language how these two statements are not in absolute contradiction. One prescribes avoiding all suffering because suffering bad. The other prescribes using immediate suffering to achieve future gains, because the right kind of suffering good.

>>712732384
i define strength as ones tolerance to painful situations in life. after enduring hardship, some people give up (suicide/removing themselves in some less literal sense), and some people persevere. how would you define it?

>>712695407 (OP)
Nine Sols

>>712732806
Jesus existed
Paul existed
There are 0 ancient historians that disagree with this. You retards have no idea how fucking stupid you sound when you make these arguments

Camus > Nietzsche

>>712731251
This is what religious people do when they're cornered, just argue that absolutely nothing has any meaning and try to turn the conversation into an Epistomelogical debate where you're not allowed to assume anything (i.e: Impossible to discuss because they'll say you can't define the meaning of words without words themselves)

>>712732964
The Biblical Jesus is a very, very different character from the historical Jesus.

>>712732780
Evolution of tetropods is far better documented than the events of early church. And even then new evidence could turn up and it would get accepted if it managed to explain things better than previous models. Which is something faithfuls could never do.

>>712732430
They prescribed a new meaning to vaccines.

>>712732876
oh no, you found a contradiction!
but both statements are still inline with the actual point made, no goalpost has been moved.

>>712732638
no, I don't think I will stop posting the good news

Ephesians 2
>8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

>>712733106
stick to the things Jesus said, buddy.

>>712733076
>i contradicted myself in the space of three posts but i never shifted the goalposts
>when my initial reply to you attacked your claim, and the next one quite literally endorses it
>but i never moved the goalposts

>>712733047
>this thing thats never been witnessed once is better documented
Thats a meaningless metric

>>712731725
>having a rough childhood
If you would have children of your own, would you set them up with a rough childhood to so they would be sTrOnGeR, or would you take measures to give them a proper childhood?
Here's your answer fag.

>>712733186
do your goalpost moving post again, but this time substantiate your claims with quotes.

>>712732964
There are also 0 historians who wrote about Jesus while he was still alive or even in fresh memory. Earliest mentions by people not invested by the movement are only descriptions of the beliefs of early christians. They don't really attest the existence of Jesus more than that.

>>712732727
we all have different levels of pain tolerance based on our upbringings, gender, genetics, etc. learning can be painful, lifting weight can be painful, heartbreak, loss, etc. and having your village burned and your women raped is also painful. much more so than the pain of a first world citizen. it's not an all or nothing thing.

>>712733036
Jordan Peterson does that a lot.

>>712733229
I've already done it twice. Here >>712732641
and here >>712732876

>>712733242
>bro noone even posted pictures of Jesus on Facebook specifically while he was alive
Fat feminist argumentation,

>>712732143
I'm a reasonably good person and do not need an external system of morality. I'm not perfect but nobody needs to be. Most "people" cannot. If I had to make a list of criteria:

>IQ over 105
>Caucasians and/or Northeast Asians
>no inbreeding
>small community
>well-read in the social sciences (with a focus on philosophy and theory, not history)
>well-educated in STEM
>values creation over consumption
>maintains traditions while recognizing need to add/modify/remove them
>generally pacifistic but willing to utterly destroy the opponent when roused

>>712733324
Peterson isnt christian, hes jungian. He refused to even admit to being christian

>>712733227
no. when/if i have children that will live a very cushy easy life. and yes, as a result their pain tolerance will be much lower than mine. so in essence, weaker perhaps. again depends on how you define strength.

>>712733426
Anon, we have better evidence about Elvis resurrection than Jesus being a real person.

>>712733324
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMMW2eqND3o

>>712733497
>im reasonably good
Noone is good but God anon. We all try to do good, but all have fallen short.

>>712733508
What's wrong with being Jungian?

we're all god
all the mythologies of man are made up stories to, as another poster put it, reinforce the ego and absolve us of worry, if we believe it to be true, it might become true. if enough people believe kinda sorta the same thing, maybe more than likely it will be true. there is no harm in trying. but i will say this: at the end of your life the brain produces a chemical that will help your soul exit your body peacefully, but if you go into the light with fear and regret you indeed will go to (for all intents and purposes) hell. even if all the afterlife is is an infinitely fading echo of that dmt trip, the absolute worst thing you could think of doing is regretting it.
so, if you believe wholeheartedly in something, be it god, or sonichu, or your waifu, whatever, whatever it takes to establish that fiction as reality in your mind, if you can really and truly believe in it, you will go there. that's really ultimately what all the foppery is about.

imagine if you will we are playing a game and several factions have all split off to decide what the lore even is without having completed the game first, or you might get weirdos like me who maybe claim to have seen what it was that somebody was yapping about and then some other moron writes a book
thats it, just ancient loreposting for a video game people have long forgotten the point of

>>712733387
Be precise.
The first one accuses me of moving goalposts, but all of these statements are within the frame that I set initially, so I am not in fact moving goalposts.
The second one does not involve any accusation of moving goalposts, why is relevant?

I have to conclude, based on these two accusatory posts, that I have not moved any goalposts.

>>712733641
Hes not religious is all, and he doesnt function in the "all religious people do this" argument.

>>712733658
this is just a gay version of Nihilism

>>712733426
>"jebus was real because historians"
>None of those historians are good evidence
>"UMM WHO CARES YOU FACEBOOK TRANNY!?"
You brought it up, bud.

>>712733725
see >>712733554

>>712733641
lots of things

>>712733508
He's nothing.

>>712733759
>i reject ancient historians
And I reject some gay anon on 4chan

>>712733527
>weaker perhaps
They will also be much more likely to become well-adjusted people whose reasoning and motivation isn't thoroughly mutilated by a childhood traumas and who don't post on 4chins dot org instead of playing video games.
If you hit 1000 people in a head really hard, it is possible that something will flip in a head of one of them, and he will become a super-intelligent genius. But most of them will just become retarded to various degrees instead.

>>712695407 (OP)
cuckold simulator

>>712733713
Are you retarded? The initial frame you set was that ALL pain is bad and should be avoided at all costs. I replied stating that nothing is possible without pain, and that you must pursue pain that has meaning as an end result. You replied doubling down on your retarded mentality, to which I replied again elaborating on my worldview. Then you finally come out with your "central point" which is literally just a restatement of my original claim. This is textbook goalpost shifting, because you go from "all pain is bad" to "only some pain is bad"

>>712733627
Well yeah because god is idealized and ideals are always better than people. That said, people who fall under the criteria described can be given freedom to act as they will, because they will be capable of acting in a moral manner without an objective system of morality.

>>712733792
So why are you like Jungfags?

>>712733923
>acting in a moral manner without an objective moral system
I dont disagree that people can be moral without consciously following God, but they are still being moral by the moral framework placed by God. The kind of argumentation that "I can be good without God" misses that God created it all, including the rules, whether you do good by accident or on purpose, its Gods house youre living in and the Holy spirit still works within you. Its almost like arguing that you dont need water to swim as you're doggy paddling in the ocean

>>712733901
>They will also be much more likely to become well-adjusted people
100% correct. to clarify, im not condemning having a normal upbringing. its just that typically people who grow up in worse conditions tend to be a bit more resilient and grateful. im sure at one point you shook your head when an upper middle class college aged liberal woman acts like she is living the worse life on earth

>>712731671
Fuck off and die, suffering fetishist.

>>712733754
it's not thoughbeit
stuff matters but on the grand scheme of things nothing matters but thats cool cause you can do whatever you want including believe in jewish bishonen and sky daddies and it's all as far as anyone is concerned, completely true.
religious belief becomes easier to believe the more people believe in it. all you're really doing is hoping for a nice peaceful death and a supportive community to do it in.
meanwhile, jews.

>>712733792
nothing wrong with that

>>712734353
Well adjusted is meaningless
Romans 5:3-5
Not only so, but we also glory in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4 perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 And hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.

>>712734524
>it's not Nihilism
>proceeds to describe Nihilism as seen by a hippie

>>712734524
>RIPS BONG
>sure, nothing matter, but like....also....everything matters man
Useless worldview, go jack off some more

>>712734353
You have no idea what you're talking about. People who grow up in shit situations get fucked up by them more often than not.

>>712733916
>The initial frame you set was that ALL pain is bad and should be avoided at all costs
really? >>712731530
>It is literally the aim of a fulfilling life to minimize your own suffering as much as possible

People who are eagerly anticipating the rapture are mentally ill and don't appreciate life.

>>712734791
>You cannot live a fulfilling life in pain
>Because suffering is bad for you and suffering is what destroys people
>What doesn't kill you doesn't make you stronger, it makes you weaker
>Everything bad that happens to you just makes you weaker and less capable of enduring further suffering.
It's like you don't even understands the words you're saying.

>>712734960
I'm eagerly anticipating the the cataclysmic anal rapture and I'm fairly well adjusted.

>>712734782
>People who grow up in shit situations get fucked up by them
"fucked up" and "resilient and grateful" arent mutually exclusive

>>712734960
6 of one and half dozen of the other
I understand those that see life is hard and yearj to be one with God.
I dont like when supposed "devout" followers of Christ are kind of relishing in the power fantasy of cutting down and condemning their own friends and family for not following Christ, and a guilt that we bear for not professing the gospel as we (myself included) should

>>712730698
>"gibberish"
I make a hollow cube, featureless in the inside. It has enough space for a magical automaton of human size. I make the automaton and give it the capability to choose between multiple options after which I place it in the cube. It is then presented two buttons and I tell it that it should press one and that nothing of consequence will happen should it choose to press either one.
I know the exact mechanism the automaton uses to arrive to its choice but I also know beforehand which button it will press because I know all. Even if something impedes it from pressing a button or it could choose to not press any of the buttons, the consequences which I also know, I know it will press the specific button it will press because the choice and the whole event of pressing a button is a part of all and I know all, I'm all-knowing, I'm omnscient. The automaton presses the button I knew it would press.
Did the automaton have free will?

>also use KJV, nrsvue is just embarassing; you're out of your depth
I can admit I have little to no idea of the differences between the versions you guys thump to. I am a little curious though, why the KJV specifically? I did a minor amount of looking at the matter and can now ask if it's because it's relatively unchanged? Do you also have a problem with NRSV or just with the updated edition? Supposedly there is better philological understanding compared to when the KJV was published. Do you have a problem with the translations inspired by new knowledge and/or do you yourself know Hebrew and Greek or are you listening to some authority on the matter?

>>712734252
>there is a gender called "woman"
>therefore gender ideology is correct
>gender ideology says trans women are hecking valid
>therefore trans women are women and have feminine penises

>>712735065
>I'm fairly well adjusted.
No, you're a sociopath with no regard for human life.

>>712734562
Get lost asiatic animal, white people are talking about white people's philosophy.

>>712735136
I prefer ESV and NKJV personally.
KJV may be the most uncompromising but its also hard to parse at times with its near constant double to triple to quadruple negatives and Olde Timey English. The best version of the bibke is the one you actually read

>>712735176
The lord will *BRAAAAP* my soul away and there's nothing anyone can say about that.

>>712735282
I'm not religious. Society is better off with less people like you. And you don't care that you're a net negative. Which is kind of the point lol

>>712735108
>kind of relishing in the power fantasy of cutting down and condemning their own friends and family for not following Christ, and a guilt that we bear for not professing the gospel as we (myself included) should
I do this