Anyone else here a brainlet who doesn't understand more complicated stories in games?

Complicated = smart is one of the worst midwit psyops to grace this wretched species. About as egregious as arrogant = dumb.

>>712697967 (OP)
can anyone explain already why they call him ulysses instead of odyseus?

>>712697967 (OP)
I can barely remember all the names of characters, I'm way too stupid to appreciate stories.

>>712699110
smart people are able to explain complicated concepts in simple terms, so youre right in a sense. but that's not /v/'s problem. its infested with story "critics" of the cinemasins retard school who think a game's narrative is an if-then problem to be solved. if someone unironically parrots the "the curtains are fucking blue" thing 10:1 they have nothing of value to add to a discussion

>>712697967 (OP)
It’s not that I can’t understand complicated stories, I could if I were interested, but paying attention requires interest and no game story interests me these days. Everything has been seen and done. Nothing is new or innovative. Every trope is re-used and unoriginal. I stopped caring about paying attention to stories several years ago. Honestly I just don’t have the attention span to give a shit. I want to heat up the bad guys and get loot. That’s literally all I care about anymore when I play games. If I want to immerse myself in a compelling story il watch a film on the criterion channel or read a classic novel

>>712697967 (OP)
that's why i only play multiplayer games or non-story heavy games. I wanted to play Disco elysium for so long now but i know i won't be able to follow the story so why bother?

>>712697967 (OP)
Was James Joyce the guy that wrote those really fucked up letters to that woman he had a crush on?

>>712704087
Yes.
He also wrote some awful books that pseuds cream themselves over.

>>712700129
If it's worth anything, most people don't really remember that.
In my experience, i've come to believe that remembering character's name is kind of an autistic thing to do. More so since normal people at best just bother remembering the name of the actor if it's a movie or a live show.

>>712697967 (OP)
im kinda retarded as a while
i could never get into new vegas because it was too many mods and too much reading new gaming concepts all at once and my favorite game of all time is pokemon mystery dungeon explorers of sky. i replay that game twice per year

All I got from Finnegans Wake before I gave up was that Finnegan died, his friends threw a rager at his wake, but he comes back to life and they try to convince him to go back to being dead because he's better off not seeing how the rest of history goes. I agree.

>>712699110
>Complicated = smart is one of the worst midwit psyops to grace this wretched species
>>712700152
>smart people are able to explain complicated concepts in simple terms
Smart people are able to explain complicated concepts in simple terms TO OTHER SMART PEOPLE. Because smart people either already have enough cultural/scientific experience to get all references, all implications, all details etc etc and (in case of not knowing something) to be able to figure out where and how to get that experience. More than that, quite a lot of things stem one from another forming a huge complicated tree, where you have to know the entire tree to properly understand anything above the roots.
There is a reasom complicated things are called complicated. Stupid person without any experience can't understand it because this person don't know all required background and at the same time can't see the entire structure of the complex thing. And even if some "smart person" would boil it down to "communism is when everybody is sharing with everybody, capitalism - when everybody can do business freely" each and every stupid person will instantly see this as a full and complete explanation - hence outing himself as an uneducated fool in the best case scenario, becoming a political fanatic with all the inquisition, lynch mobs and other "kill him, he is wearing green scarf instead of blue!" atrocities.

>>712697967 (OP)
If I could trade most of my intelligence for being a 3 meter tall ogre with fangs, a wide frame and massive muscles all over my body, I would do so.

I don't like complicated stories and themes because sometimes people try too hard with metaphors and such thay could often be interpreted in multiple different ways, but only have on specific meaning, and if you don't guess that specific one then apparently you're just dumb, and most readers will try to over complicate simple things anyways because by forcing something to have a deeper meaning means they recognized something complex and that makes them "smart".
It's the same reason why riddles are lame and gay, despite being something thay should be a lot of fun. Too many valid answers from.the question, but only one is "correct".

I'll stick to jerking off in my cave.

>>712700152
>smart people are able to explain complicated concepts in simple terms
things only retards say, not all smart people have high verbal IQ and even if they do they mostly have no reason to learn how to explain things to the plebs

>>712706931
retard pseud babble

>>712697967 (OP)
You gotta ask where the complexity came from: Is it because of obfuscated information like From Software games? Or it is because of unconventional concepts like the multiverse as seen in Bioshock Infinite?

I don't think video games are representative of OP's pic, they can't go deep with the writing because they still have to make it presentable and structured to feature gameplay with it. Games like Disco Elysium tried to simulate literature but they had other issues like promising RPG freedom only to be structured linearly hence why video games are still a poor medium for complex storytelling that could mix philosophy and drama in a meticulous way. All because of interactivity.

>>712708993
This. Games that have simple stories but with emotionally intelligent dialogue are the best way to present complexity without triggering the reddit crowd into overanalyzing your story.

>>712697967 (OP)
name one game with a complicated story

>>712709164
Vidya shouldn't try to be literature, it should try to be vidya. There are unique ways to tell a story that can only be done in vidya, like the ending of Nier Automata. Or arguably the way Drakengard's combat (accidental or not) plays out in which it feels like clunky unfun shit at first but eventually you sink into the monotony of the slaughter and the chaotic schizo music starts to sound good and it immerses you into Caim that way.

>>712709371
nier automata

>>712709435
Automata isn't complicated, but it does take advantage of the fact that it's vidya to tell its story in unique ways. Which is what all vidya should do.

>>712709429
I don't disagree, it's just that people are so used to write in a certain way that makes it impossible to accommodate for video games.

>>712709480
i was joking.

>>712697967 (OP)
I’ve wanted to read war and peace for about a decade, but it’s really big and intimidating and I’m probably too stupid so I haven’t even attempted it

I am also very ogre-like in appearance

>>712709746
i wouldn't read it unless you have a basic understanding of russian and french.

>>712709746
War & Peace is one of the most challenging books I've ever read. Tolstoy constantly introduces new characters on seemingly every page, then proceeds to refer to them by their first names, surnames, maiden names, nicknames. You quickly lose track of just what the fuck is going on, who is who, and how they're related to each other.
Start with something simpler, like Ulysses or Gravity's Rainbow.

>>712709746
I've read Volume 1.
The tiedown to real events are interesting because it means nothing is convinient, and the timing ruins the both the POVs lack of planning and planning. I am not even sure its a deep novel, outside of barring the soul of the POVs action

>>712709371
Killer7

>>712709371
Black Souls 2

>>712697967 (OP)
I've never in my 34 years of life come across a video game with a genuinely good, interesting, well-written let alone, COMPLEX story.

I don't get the story in Tetris

>>712701861
god damn this nigga would be a god damn celebrity if they had fanficiton.net back in the day. well I suppose he already is a celebrity to some extent but you get what I mean.

>>712710607
Play more video games.

>>712710737
I've played more than you have. No, I will not play your RPGmaker anime horror game about depression.

>>712709746
It really isn't a very deep novel in terms of its central theme. There's a bunch of subtle social commentary you can pick up with basic knowledge of history and probably tons more that would require deep knowledge of Russian history in general that likely went over my head. Regardless the main plot is as universal as it gets. As for the length, it was published in chapters so you might as well read it in chunks as Tolstoy's contemporaries

>>712697967 (OP)
name five games with complicated stories. I can only think of poorly written to the point of incomprehension

>>712710607
same but with all of media and literature

>>712710558
Every character you meet in the story turns up again, hundreds of miles away, to reveal that they are someone else and have been secretly controlling the action of the plot. It feels like the entire world is populated by about fifteen people who follow Grimm around wherever he goes. If the next three games continue along the same lines, then the big reveal will be that the world is entirely populated by no more than three superpowered shapeshifters.

Everyone in the game has secret identities, secret connections to grand conspiracies, and important plot elements that they conveniently hide until the last minute, only doling out clues here and there. There are no normal people in this world, only double agents and niggermen in disguise. Every analysis I've read of this game mentions that even the narrator is unreliable.

This can be an effective technique, but in combination with a world of infinite, unpredictable intrigue, EMMM's story begins to evoke something between a soap opera and a convoluted mystery novel, relying on impossible and contradictory scenarios to mislead the audience. Apparently, this is the thing his fans most appreciate about him—I find it to be an insulting and artificial game.

There is simply not enough structure to the story to make the narrator's unreliability meaningful. In order for unreliable narration to be effective, there must be some clear and evident counter-story that undermines it. Without that, it is not possible to determine meaning, because there's nowhere to start: everything is equally shaky.

At that point, it's just a trick—adding complexity to the surface of the story without actually producing any new meaning. I know most sci-fi and fantasy authors seem to love complexity for its own sake, but it's a cardinal sin of storytelling: don't add something into your story unless it needs to be there. Covering the story with a lot of vagaries and noise may impress some, but won't stand up to careful reading.

>>712710794
>I've played more than you have.
Seems not.

>>712710607
>Planescape: Torment
>Disco Elysium
>Who's Lila? (although this one would be more equivalent to a novella)
>Book of Hours (though this one is a case of puzzling the story together based on bits and pieces)

>>712710840
Name ten games that you think have genuinely good, interesting, well-written complex plots so I can laugh at you.

>>712710931
myth

>>712710901
>Unirinically starts his meme list with number #1 meme story game Planescape: Memes of Torment

>>712706931
>Smart people are able to explain complicated concepts in simple terms TO OTHER SMART PEOPLE.

"if you can't explain something simply, then you simply don't understand it"

take a look at Feynman's interviews, how he boils down complicated physics concepts into simple and relatable analogy.
science communication is a skill in and of itself, but a smart guy can figure it out.

I like to imagine that the story in balatro is that your clown gf got kidnapped by some casino bosses and now you gotta play the odds to get her back, but the house always wins, so if you do manage to win then you get taken to a special room where your memory is wiped and you have to do it all over again, groundhog day style, until you start to subliminally notice the same things happening over and over and break out of the loop, to only then discover that your clown gf never existed in the first place.

>>712697967 (OP)
Yeah I played dark souls and someone was like "light good, dark bad" but then later someone else says "light bad, dark good" and I just didn't get it

>>712711114
isn't there a whole "industry" of people trying to comprehend and formulate the findings of scientists into something coherent?

>>712701861
Damn this nigga a certified freak

>>712711271
>>712711114
No.
If “The Dead Past” by Isaac Asimov is to go by, it exist, but only as a means to get more funding for research.
The subtilty is that the discipline described only works as a intermedietiary, not as a presenter.

I think if you want a examples, Jules Vernes is spot on. He hits the right kind of abstraction where you to some degree trust the speculation presented, and even more so when contrasted against what is calculated.
Vernes is very good at presneting the idea of "what if we just calculate it, instead of trying and failing?"

>>712711814
>If “The Dead Past” by Isaac Asimov
that's where i got the speculation from, lmao

>>712711043
You can just admit to have never played it.

>>712710665
commieblocks vanish overnight, sacrificing everything so that they might beat the americans in the space program
ultimately it is futile

>>712711984
Today its just accepted that Science papers are jibberish, and a lot of effort is made to conduct meta studies if a group needs to meet a output quota without spending time doing research.
The caveat is that somebody still needs to proof read it if its going to be patented, and if it manifests into a device somebody still needs to write a PR blurb.

From what I understood, Vernor Vinge occupied a similar position to Asimov.. And its a similar identity in the lithography.
So I am not sure what to make of it..

>>712712313
I have played it. It's your typical faggot CRPG real time with pause dogshit just WORDS WORDS WORDS included.

>>712710607
surely you will provide books/novels that fit those criteria for contrast's sake, yes?

I only read hardboiled detective stories, Robert E. Howard and porn. It still mogs the vast majority of games in narrative and prose

>>712712441
sounds like a reasonable position. like making a sales pitch to retarded investors, who only want to see numbers go up.

>>712712528
I've read quite a bit. I can definitely give you some recommendations.

>>712706931
>State one point
>Add in a bunch of unnecessary text that adds in nothing to the original point.
Midwits in a nutshell.

>>712712765
that's what the thread is about. anons bait anons into recomending the good stuff. post some good sci-fy

>>712710901
>>712712313
You do some DND stuff
And then you do what is essentially a well curated tour of the Nameless One's Museum, and try to piece together or get presented the conflict
And then you go back and fourth a few times.

You want to do the museum part, because the EXP gains are really good, and DND is a system where you are extremely squishy earlygame.
But its not a well told story. I'd argue Drakengard do it a lot better

>>712712571
Yes, but with legacy media there was a bigger effort to try and distribute your idea. Academia was also a smaller portion of the population, and advancements in going from handcraft to industrial scale was more important.
Monsato landing on Nylon production used to be a big deal.

You also had a period after WW2 where people made successful careers of copying Army technology, and using the advancements to make miniature versions for the commercial sector.

>>712709435
big and plump story

>>712703581
Disco Elysium deliberately explains everything different ways several times and the text is formatted like a twitter feed and people are still scared of words.
https://youtu.be/9X0-W5erEXw?t=341

>>712709746
War and peace is not hard too read, just really long.

>boot up a "classic" RPG with "tons of deep story"
>95% of the "dialog" is wikipedia articles about shit nobody cares about
>the plot is still ultimately "kill the bad dude" with zero nuance

>>712713929
RPGs do not need a grand story.
>Kill le big bad evil guy.
is absolutely enough.

What RPGs need is good likable characters that I can grow to and OF COURSE, GREAT GAMEPLAY!!! I LOVE GAMEPLAY!!! Cool weapons are not needed but are always nice too.

>>712713004
>I'd argue Drakengard do it a lot better

You mean Misery Porn: The Game? The one and only trick Taro knows?

>>712714174
Just walk into any arcade and the gameplay there will mog any RPG including your favorites.

>>712714195
Any of Taro's subsequent projects including stageplays and mobile games has failed to improve on the gameplay storytelling in Drakengard.
Misery porn is one thing, but succeed in it is a art.

>>712713929
>>712714174
For the Japanese it suffers from "I want to make a really BIG artsy game"
In the west it suffers from DND adaptions being mechanically subpar, most of the time.

>>712697967 (OP)
>redditbuddy

>>712714296
>Just walk into any arcade
Arcades are dead in my country. The next arcade is probably hundreds of miles away from my home.
Also Arcade games lack grinding and good characters.

>>712711262
I believe the dev said the actual story is Jimmy's one of those haunted machines from horror movies and pulled in a lot of real world stuff e.g. bananas into his machine, but unlike in horror movies he genuinely just wants people to play his game and has no interest in murder or whatever

>>712714174
there's this idea that RPGs don't need to have good gameplay because the focus is on the story, but when the story is unremarkable at best what's the point?
Truth is I can boot up a game like hexen and be knee deep in fun gameplay in minutes while getting a story that's practically on par with most RPGs anyway, just without all the extraneous lore dumps about Zanzibart the dirt farmer

>>712712996
NTA but Hyperion books are pretty good.

>>712714482
>tales of the abyss
Great game, but absolutely deserves to be part of this thread.
It absolutely bombards the player with new terms and proper nouns, many of which sound incredibly similar, without properly explaining them. And when they DO explain them, they use OTHER new proper nouns to do so.
It takes a good 40 hours for the player to have any real grasp what the FUCK they're talking about.
Then, and this is its critical sin, because everything is only loosely explained, you've just got to accept these things react the way they do. There's no rationalisation why all these fonons and such actually react to songs, or the fonon belt is needed to create seventh fonons despite lorelei's existence, etc, it's just that the game says it does.

It's a great game but it's fucking FULL of technobabble. I understand it /now/, but jesus shit is it rough as hell your first run.

>>712714679
The story is more importrant for movies and especially books.
RPGs are more about gameplay, characters and exploration. And ideally, an RPG should have build making and cool weapons but this is not required if the gameplay and characters are good enough.

>>712714764
you better not be an endymion apologist

>>712714816
The more RPGs I play the more I appreciate when they give you the ability to just hover over in-universe terms and get a little definition. Esoteric Ebb even connects it to mechanics and requires you to succeed an Intelligence check to actually get the result.

>>712714174
I concur and this is why games like Mass Effect and Bald Gay 3 are succeeding, because they've decided to focus on their characters rather the overarching narrative.

>>712715041
On one hand, I agree with you. Fonons for example could be really easily explained early on. It's essentially magic atoms, affected by both magic and science. Just that at the start would have helped significantly.

On the other hand, having played games where you get what you describe, it's always a complete copout and just leaves the writer to not feel like they need to explain things themselves. Every single time, it's "pause your game every few scenes to read stuff we COULD have told you with better writing". Every single time. It's why I appreciate Expedition 33's writing most recently; you're never wondering what something means in this sense, only in terms of cryptic plot. It always makes sense what the actual definitions and such are always.

>>712714854
Haven't gotten to those yet, though I did hear that they are a step down compared to first books.

>>712714764
Maaan, anything past Fall and I'll even argue most of Fall of Hyperion was utter trash. I was genuinely fucking angry when the big bad space barbarians that were coming to fuck up the earth turned out to be peaceful beatnik space mutants with butterfly wings and shit.

Fuck the Hyperion Cantos.

>>712697967 (OP)
There are no complicated stories in vidya, let alone in any other form of media.

>>712715224
what>>712715238 said. i dropped only a handful of books midway, and this shit is one of them. i literally rage quit endymion

>>712715180
I feel like Pillars of Eternity handled it pretty well. They explain important shit to you, but still have the glossary available if you don't remember certain terms from the first game or just to translate phrases people say in other languages. I could see how it could be overused.

I do think that, to a point, it can be used as a stand-in for what your character knows but you as a player might not.

>>712706931
PhdFag here. Can confirm this is true. It's also why my most midwits are right wing because they believe they can understand something in itself and don't want to look into the connections that make up what it is. Culture for instance is like this.

>>712697967 (OP)
There's not much to get
>Irishman gets wasted
>attempts roofing
>falls off the roof
>everyone just assumes he's dead because they're also constantly wasted
>They throw a wake for him
>A fight breaks out due to all the attendees being drunk and Irish
>someone breaks a whiskey bottle and it splashes onto Finnegan
>turns out he was just sleeping

>>712715381
i don't think i got your post. are you dissing the culture series?

>>712710931
>Do this thing for me that I've already set my opinion on
no, anon, I think I will just call you a fag

>>712715980
>chicken bitches out
Typical and expected.

>>712716031
>Why doesn't he engage with me :(
I'm sorry anon, but you weren't looking for a conversation anyway. Nothing I say has any meaning to you, I could list out any game and you'd say the same canned response.
You are literally just here to feel smart.

i tried ulysses once
it was awful
wtf is that vernacular of english(?)
like is that the ebonics of english language?

>>712716130
You could have at least tried, maybe I might have even agreed with some of your choices but we'll never know because you chickened out... sad :,^(

>>712716282
it was written by an Irish man, so basically yeah

>>712715125
I actually enjoyed Baldurs Gate 3s gameplay because it was tactical, I liked the D&D combat and the envoirement was interactable. Throwing and pushing enemies was fun too.
The enemies and bosses could have been better for a D&D game but they were still cool overall.
The weapons were sort of lame, but at least there were many types and not just swords.
Also having pets and summoning undead was cool and playing as an Owlbear.

>>712716304
Don't play coy, it isn't becoming.

>>712716463
I'll BECOMING on your mom's tits later tonight ghey boi.

>>712716548
that was uncalled for, anon. I would like an apology.

>>712716548
gottem, lmao

>>712716614
Okay... I'm sorry your mommies tits and pussy will soon be slathered with my sticky white seed :,^(

>>712716684
thank you

>>712715238
I have to agree that some parts of the Fall looked rather weird and came down as "it's time magic I ain't gotta explain shit", but I generally took it as something to be expanded upon in the sequel, and enjoyed overall experience. Guess I'm not going to find out any time soon.

>>712716858
That AI Yeats subplot was fucking dogshit too.

>>712716910
It was Keats anon...

>>712716910
you mean keats?

>>712697967 (OP)
What's complicated to understand about "hold to skip"?

>>712699291
odyseus is what is ulysses is doing, it's a book about Ulysses not about his journey

>>712717125
ulysses? more like you useless

>>712716910
That it was.
The only thing I'd like to read the other books for is to find out what the whole deal with the Shrike was, because it's role in the events only got more confusing over time. And I feel like I won't like the answers I'll find.

>>712715238
i just didnt like the main character for the second half of the cantos
didnt seem to fit at all
it was overall pretty good and had me wondering about so much during the ride

>>712697967 (OP)
I might be dumb, but not to the point of not understanding a fucking video game story.

>>712717714
You just hated him because he was a Jew, admit it.

>>712717856
the only jew was that one dude that got chosen for the initial expedition to the time chamber

>>712717992
the second holocaust never happened, but it should have

>>712718106
jews in different area codes

>>712700152
>if someone unironically parrots the "the curtains are fucking blue" thing 10:1 they have nothing of value to add to a discussion
Thank you. Sometimes the symbolism isn't there, but there's always reason behind choices, even if the reason isn't very interesting. The people who get mad about talking through this stuff and reject it outright are deeply retarded.

>>712709164
It's less that video games can't have depth and more that trying to structure them like books just doesn't work. The audience needs to pay more attention in a medium where they utterly dictate the pace and focus in any given moment. You have to use video games to make the audience contemplate even more than a book does, and that's not as apparent in the direct text. It's a lot of little things and even absence of things in terms of game design, visual feedback, etc that makes writing in games work.

>>712715125
bald'n'gay 3 is actually fun to play, which puts it way ahead lots of other RPGs

>>712718938
blyatt and gyatt 3 was fun until the end of act 1 and then fell off a cliff

>>712697967 (OP)
There are no complicated stories in games.

>>712709746
>>I am also very ogre-like in appearance
Hot, post belly.

>>712710478
proof that killer7 reigns supreme is nobody has tried to refute this

>>712715980
You've spent literally 400% more effort on shitposting instead of making just one post exhaustively disproving his claim.

>>712719570
the last time I tried to play it, a guy tried to suck me off. I should have never answered that ad

>>712719570
Killer7 has a lot to offer: Spiritual worlds, Political commentary, Basic yet elaborate philosophical themes like yin and yang, Emir's personal drama. It's a nice package.

I consider the following to be the best "narrative" or "evocative" games, not all story is text based after all. Not a single one is perfect except from Rain World, Killer7 and Journey but I think that feeling as if games need to stick to the conventional storytelling format is limiting when interactivity is considered. Rain world is the absolute gold standard

>>712719945
That game has a story?

>>712720104
It has a point, it has an intended line of thought. I think once again, traditional storytelling can't work in games, you either limit the game or extend the narrative to take interactivity into account, Rain World is very Buddhist, it does the same Drakengard did (perhaps on accident here) of truly using everything it is to follow the line of thought.

>>712710264
It's challenging because you are not used to such names. In Russia it's part of the school program.

>>712720240
Everyone in every country in which it was part of the school program hated it and never benefitted in any way from it. Aside from spawning a few jokes per generation it never amounted to anything of value. And even that has been fading into obscurity since the '90s.

I hated almost everything I had to read in school. For a while i thought I just hated reading. Thankfully I can now read whatever I want and none of my shitty teachers can stop me. I love reading.

>>712710264
>then proceeds to refer to them by their first names, surnames, maiden names, nicknames
fuck Russian literature in general

>>712720391
what the fuck is this list

>>712720391
Holy onion.
Even the Halo novels are some newer zoomerslop instead of the originals.

>>712720505
he's a retard who has some of the worst taste known to man
>>712720391
post your full one so everyone can laugh

>>712720625
at least he's reading books, but holy shit, man. i feel retarded just looking at it.

>>712720391
Nah man why even read if this is the slop youre.... this is like pure fast food.

>>712720806
I suffered through all the garbage I had to read for school. Now that I'm free I deserve to pursue my interests and read what I want.

>>712697967 (OP)
literally how i feel playing yiik

>>712720391
This is a lot of Shlock but the ROTS model is pretty damn good.

>>712704087
See >>712701861

>>712701861
Someone tell this guy he's never gonna be Lewis Carroll

>>712701861
>My little farting Nora
That's not sexy.

>>712709371
INFRA

>>712724646
All old Dadgerson's dodges one conning one's copying and that's what wonderland's wanderlad'll flaunt to the fair. Though Wonderlawn's lost us for ever. Alis, alas, she broke the glass! Liddell looker through the leafery, ours is mistery of pain.

>>712700152
Except math. Nobody can explain anything but the most basic math concepts in simple terms.

>>712725105

He was right about the micks.

>>712697967 (OP)
This is me every time I try getting into literature and stumble upon words like forlorn, alacrity and revelry and resign myself to playing video games instead.

>>712710838
Kino copypasta.

>>712700152
>smart people are able to explain complicated concepts in simple terms
A lot of very intelligent professors suck hard at teaching people so i'm not really convinced that's true.

>>712726648
Then they are just knowledgeable not actually smart.

>>712727307
>sure you can bring forward real technical research that can bring us into the future
>but you suck at telling drones how to think so that means you're actually retarded

>>712725861
Revelry is just playing
Forlorn is a yearning sadness.

>>712725861
Alacrity is about speed. If something has alacrity, it's fast.
The trick is unironically to have a dictionary (most ereaders have one built in) and if you don't recognize a word then you look it up. A lot of words are built from smaller parts too and you can use those to guess the meaning.

>>712725861
You'll probably see "alacrity" more often in videogames than when reading books. Maybe it's a DnD thing or something, but for some reason it's in a bunch of item names in RPG's and other games. Uncommon gauntlets of Alacrity etc.

>>712697967 (OP)
They rarely write complicated stuff because most vidya writers are retarded millennials that only understand black and white concepts.

>>712701861
King. Better than shakespeare btw

>>712697967 (OP)
>reddit ogre

>>712697967 (OP)
no one told that poor bastard that those people he is looking up to are pretentious pseuds and to not take it personally.

>>712725580
he was too based for this Common-Wealth...

I stand by picrel as one of the best narratives in Vidya. It’s got an absolutely straightforward plot, but places that plot in a well considered world filled with well considered characters. Everyone’s interesting. The kingdom is interesting, in fact it’s one of my favorite fantasy settings ever. You’re there with Corvo when he loses his wife and daughter and the regent frames him so you give a shit about the mission. Even the kind of flawed chaos system is great between multiple playthroughs because it means the players choices connect the straightforward plot to the complex world and characters.

>>712731435
Redditors are like ogres if you took away everything cool from ogres like their size, strength and fangs but left the bad aspects of them.

>>712731690
>fantasy setting
>complex world
>complex characters
>well considered
Has to be satire.

>>712699291
Shitalians love renaming pre-existing Greek characters to appear like they have a culture. Consider, if you will, Heracles of Greek myth being bastardized into Hercules of Roman "myth".

>>712725353
The fuck?

>>712732776
greeks are fags

To the mod that deleted the factual statement I posted: YWNBAR.

>>712731912
You're describing 4chan too.

>>712732421
not only low effort but wrong on all accounts. also it is, by definition, a fantasy setting

>>712697967 (OP)
I get it but i have to put aside my 50 what didn't they just do x or y.
I just keep identifying plotholes or thinfs they could do better. Or just fuck it all with super natural/magic stuff.
And cant enjoy stories half the time.

>>712701861
>airing out a man's ERP logs like this
this is fucked up

>>712709016
>high verbal IQ
holy pseud batman. just say verbal skill you moron. youre probably one of these faggots that uses buzzphrases like emotional IQ unironically

WC3s story has sparked more debate then any classic book ever will.

>>712697967 (OP)
There are no complicated stories in games, just some pseudo intellectual bullshit only liked by pretentious faggots and women.

>>712735167
bro is retarded

>>712727567
yes.

>>712735173
why is it some kind of own on /v/ to act like the thing you enjoy so much is brainless slop with no artistic merit? especially considering likelihood is you don't read books or watch good movies.

>>712709016
Sounds like cope

>>712726648
Teaching is a separate skill

>>712736238
Because/v/ doesn't play videogames lol.
You though that was only a meme? Lmao

>>712735167
I don't even know what that story is about.

The only time I do something approximating thinking is when I'm trying to win an internet argument. The rest of the time I'm just trying to keep myself distracted until it's unconsciousness time.

>>712734771
>knew what he said but didn't like how he said it.
Autists bitch about the most feminine shit.

>>712736980
dont flaunt your intelligence when youre not, retard

>>712697967 (OP)
Yeah. Good stories. Like. Planescape Torment. And Kotor. Yeah. I'm in the know. Hehe.

>>712710607
I've never read a book with good gameplay

I've never read Ulysseus, does it tackle remorse of conscience in particularly interesting or unique way?

>>712697967 (OP)
if you HAVE to disguise your work as a literary classic by literally copying the title, then you're a complete hack and fraud
the fact that there are retards that WILL confuse this shitty 20th century novel with the ancient classic shows that was his intent

>>712734771
verbal IQ and verbal intelligence are used interchangeably all the time you dumbass

>>712706931
Absolute fucking mid wit. You are a shining example proving his point.

you know I kind of actually enjoy re-reading High School assigned literature nowadays because I don't have the threat of writing a 6 page essay on the themes of the book after finishing it.

Words wOrds words Words Words words WoRds words woRds words worDs words WOrDS wOrdS WOORDS words meaning words words wordS word bird word WorDS significance words Words Words words Woooooooords! Word

>>712710931
NTA, but here you go:

Outer Wilds
Slay the Princess
Nine Sols
Suikoden 2
To The Moon
Disco Elysium
Citizen Sleeper
ASTLIBRA
Prey
Jackie Chan

>>712701861
I guess he wasn't a very experienced ass fucker since then he would know that it's all about the angle. If he pumps her full of air then of course it will want to get out again.

>>712737461
>when youre not
fucking lol. Maybe get a full nights sleep and drink some coffee in the morning before you start insulting peoples intelligence

>>712728551
>how about Haste for the attack speed item?
>no, everyone calls it that, let's go with *checks thesaurus* Alacrity sounds good

>>712725861
The trick is to read over words you don't understand and use surrounding context to give them meaning.
For example: "As she javened the spear into the monster's heart, the last of her humanity seemed to flewede.".
It's pretty obvious what 'javened' and 'flewede' mean if you look at the sentence as a whole.

>>712725861
>invades you every 20 minutes

>>712697967 (OP)
It's simple. Play games that actually require you to do that in order to proceed. Mystery adventure puzzle VNs/games like Ace Attorney, Danganronpa or Zero Escape for instance are great for this. You have to stop and think in order to solve the testimonies. I didn't care at all about the story in "lore heavy" games like dark souls or hollow knight because they add nothing to the pure gameplay experience. I skip cutscenes in every game unless it's cool kino like MGR or God Hand. Good game stories are show before tell anyway.

>>712699110
I always have a laugh whenever /v/ thinks they are smarter than the average midwit.

>>712720391
>Thunderbolts quotes
kek, goddamn that movie was dogshit

>>712697967 (OP)
I'm a true midwit and do struggle with complicated stories but can occasionally piece things together if I put my mind to it and take my time. I think it's about managing to abstract things with a "correct" angle of approach or in a certain theme.

>>712697967 (OP)

To be fair, most authors aren't that good at writing a picture as good as some people make Them out to be. The politics behind who "gets" to be a good writer is different than who actually does a good job of writing. Readers liking some of these "selected classics" are nothing more than a foundation for pretention masquerading.

>>712741214
The avarage person, is like, black

>>712697967 (OP)
Your just retard

>>712742971
Your brown

>>712701861

I cannot read this on My phone.

>>712743112
It's James Joyce writing about how he gaped his wife. Unironically.

>>712743081
Even if that were true I'd be smarter than black

>>712743112
you're better off

>>712697967 (OP)
jesus christ finally a joke that wasn't "sex, lol"

>>712701861
>anal and fart fetish in 1909

>>712736238
Stories that pretend to be complicated are brainless slop with no artistic merit. And there have never been a game with writing level of mid movie or mid-trash level book. You have to be 80 iq mongoloid to to enjoy story oriented games because there are no good writers in gaming industry. Game writers are literal biotrash who couldnt qualify as book or movie writer so they ended up writing games. Also many story heavy games are written by group of people, not by some creative individual/few individuals like books and movies, it's impossible to write a good story in such conditions. And I didn't even mentioned the fact that half of these people are women whose first writing experience was harry potter porn fanfic on ficbook and the other half are retards from writing courses.

>>712743851

U mad?

>>712742954
retarded illiterate weeaboo

>>712743851
>Also many story heavy games are written by group of people, not by some creative individual/few individuals like books and movies
>like movies
Holy fucking retard

>>712697967 (OP)
That's how I feel playing Final Fantasy games. The shit you learn at the beginning of the game is always partially a lie or misunderstanding and you get different characters with different interpretations of events and not to mention the ubiquitous blurring the line of what's real and abstract by having personifications of metaphysical concepts especially towards the end of the game. And then people ask me what the plot is and I'm like, "Dude, I don't know what the fuck is going on anymore." Part of the problem is cutscenes are separated by several hours of grindy combat so I forget half the details between story beats. Another problem is people's memories aren't sequential, so I might remember there's two different interpretations of a plot point, but I probably don't remember which came first, which means I don't remember which one was the truth and which one was the ruse. The story would feel like shit if it only ever told you what's important, so it's full of random details that don't necessarily matter to the main narrative, but you don't know that when it's happening, and your brain isn't going to remember every detail, it'll toss out whatever it thinks isn't important, so it might accidentally toss out important details and keep irrelevant ones. And to get a full understanding of the story, you have to take everything you've learned with you to the end, then go back and reevaluate everything with that new context - and who does that? Someone looking to make a video essay will, but does the average gamer do that? Fuck no.

If you forgot one small line of dialogue hidden in a forest of blabbering it completely changes the story, so you get people walking around with diametrically opposed understandings of what happens in the game they both just played. But honestly, this isn't unique to video games. You see it with other mediums, too.

>>712725861
But I learned those words from video games. Do you actually play video games?

>>712743851
>Game writers are literal biotrash who couldnt qualify as book or movie writer so they ended up writing games.
The writer of Disco Elysium himself said that he failed at the book swindle, so he decided to try to fail at the gaming swindle next. But the writing in that game is still top tier compared to other videogames and the writer is also the lead designer. Usually writing is not a main focus, more like an afterthought, and I don't think most videogame writing is done by failed novelists or Hollywood script writers. More like by failed engineers or other idea guys. The standard is so low and the consumers are mostly perfectly happy with that, so it doesn't matter commercially.

>>712716996
Nta, but it's the author who wanted Keats to plunder his asshole, not me.

>>712744589
Learn to read retard. Also, movies are alost never written by more than 3 people and more than 70% of movies are written by 1 guy. 10 peoples are normal for most modern rpg slop and sometimes there up to 15 people. People writing just one character or some specific parts of stories aren't a thing for most movies and there are no such thing like side content in movies, wich also usually written by another person

>>712745581
>More like by failed engineers or other idea guys
I think it's 50/50 but only with men. Women writers are 99% failed novelists or script writers in best case and ficbook writers at worst.

>>712697967 (OP)
>>712709371

>>712699110
It's all the doing of intellectuals, who use words to obfuscate and bully in order to appear smart.

>>712739098
Schools a great way to teach people to jate fun things.

>>712697967 (OP)
Does anybody understand Finnegan's Wake? Is there anything to understand?

>>712715429
Have a (You), friend

>>712714764
would be 40 pages long if he just told the story and didn't spend several paragraphs explaining how space orange juice worked or whatever the characters were doing

>>712747452
it's basically just wacky fun times surrounding a funeral
like what if we did a bunch of funny shit instead of had a proper solemn funeral
and no i didnt read it
i think i tried to once and then i was like wtf is even being said

>>712746915
People overanalyze slay the princess, it's actually just about getting a personalized princess and leaving with her.

>>712746915
Ogre, you're better off than 99% of people, don't be sad.

>>712746915
Trannyneko is the very definition of pseud shit, with r07 being so assblasted fans figured everything he changed shit midway to "own" them, resulting in shit so pathetic shit out he had to put talking heads IN the game to preemptively respond to the criticism that will follow each chapter. It is the equivalent of a char in a TV show turning towards the camera and talking to the viewers
>you might think this show is garbage, but you are wrong because blah, blah blah!!
ALso didn't help that his gay lover ghostwriter BT was the one with all the decent ideas, so when he died cuckishi07 was sitting ducks.

>>712700129
haha silly fox

>>712743713
You didn't understand the underlying themes anon

>>712699291
Ulysses is the Latin name for Odysseus

>>712714764
Only the first two books. The later ones are padded to the max with boring desciptions (like in the case of not-Tibet), retcons and pointless fanservice. Also the main girl is annoying and mistreats the guy for no reason other than her esoterical mumbo jumbo which she could have simply explained.

>>712747341
100%

>>712697967 (OP)
if it’s super retarded like metal gear or kingdom hearts I don’t even bother trying to keep up with the story. it doesn’t help when they release lore important spinoff games on 10 different consoles. in my opinion though, story writing in games is getting much worse; xiv dawntrail feels like it belongs in an elementary school library.

>>712756903
>xiv dawntrail feels like it belongs in an elementary school library.
I have absolutely no idea what happened to the dev team to write such dogshit after the entirety of FFXIV.
Was Yoshi-P being blackmailed or something?

>>712699110
Wow I can't believe OP found another brainlet in just the first post.
Congratulations you two!

>>712704438
>In my experience, i've come to believe that remembering character's name is kind of an autistic thing to do. More so since normal people at best just bother remembering the name of the actor if it's a movie or a live show.
For me it's the opposite, I can remember the name of characters pretty well but I don't really bother with the names of actors.

>>712697967 (OP)
I wish I was either a double digit mouth breather or a genius. Being a midwit is hell.

>>712736238
it's a classic internet posting style known as "trolling". The idea is to say things in order to make other posters mad.

>>712697967 (OP)
The God of War games are interesting to me because anyone who likes all games wouldn’t actually say they liked all the games if they understood the ending of GOW3.
The new games on a thematic level should not exist.

>>712700152
In a vacuum, complicated concept could be a challenge for the smart person to then explain better. But it also makes sense to put this effort into a gameplay puzzle, not narrative. In terms of narrative, it can feel that adding a theme out of obligation isn't complexity.