The modern Hitman games copy almost every single core gameplay mechanic from Absolution. Movement, interaction, stealth, the Instincts system that highlights targets through walls, the blending system, the wacky roleplaying where Agent 47 pretends to be an astronaut or some shit and fires the target into the sun, it's all from this game. I feel like Blood Money fans have been trying to gaslight us for years. None of the gameplay mechanics that define the WoA trilogy are in Blood Money. You can't choke people out. You can't hide in crowds. You can't take cover behind things. You can't do takedowns, you can't hide people in closets, there's no Contracts system, there's no mechanic to stand there and eat bagels or whatever so the head of security doesn't notice you. Every time you go on a linear story sequence in WoA it just turns into Absolution. I feel most Hitman fans have never played anything older than Absolution. Most have only played WoA. And they just parrot that WoA is like Blood Money because something, something, sandboxes. But when you're following a guided mission path, the sandbox may as well not exist. And these guided paths were clearly added because there was a demand for Hitman to be more linear and less random and freeform.
>>712698943 (OP)a lot of elements were taken from absolution, true. some of the things you said are incorrect. you can choke people out and do takedowns, you can hide people in closets, there are contextual prompts for blending in that allow you to pose as whatever (a tourist, a janitor, etc assuming you're wearing the appropriate attire/disguise), and you can hide in crows and take cover behind things.
the game is similar to blood money, if you're comparing it to absolution, because blood money had large, open ended maps with a lot of avenues for taking down your foe. the same is true in WoA, assuming you're not following the mission stories, which I advise you to avoid at all costs, whereas absolution was very "arcade like" and linear.
>>712700314>you can choke people out and do takedownsNot in Blood Money. There was an overcomplicated system where you could take a human shield and then knock them out, but this is totally different to Absolution's mechanic that WoA kept.
> you can hide people in closetsNot in Blood Money.
>and you can hide in crowds and take cover behind things.These are all Absolution mechanics that were copied over to WoA.
>the same is true in WoA, assuming you're not following the mission stories, which I advise you to avoid at all costsThe truth is that they added those mission stories because only a vocal minority like playing Hitman as a random murder simulator. Most people prefer the linear design. The things that Blood Money fans hate about Absolution are actually kind of important to WoA's success.
>>712698943 (OP)>You can't choke people out. You can't hide in crowds. You can't take cover behind things. You can't do takedowns, you can't hide people in closetswhat the actual fuck is this post
>>712698943 (OP)didnt read
absolushit apologists are mentally ill
>>712698943 (OP)Retards World of Assasination is on sale, should I? I have NO experience with this franchise unless you count that mobile spinoff about sniping people.
>>712700776Mission stories are a great way to get a feel for the mission and understand what works and what events trigger what
For example I was playing Sapienza just now and decided to do the cannon kill but didn't know how I could get it until I saw that there was a cannon pointing at the spot where the chick meets the detective, which is a mission story. So I had to go back, wake the detective up and run back to the cannons.
WoA
>No gun behind back animations
>No women with hourglass figure and big boobs
>No strip club level
>No eyes wide shut level with naked women
>No sexy Diana
Absolution and Blood Money are better than nu Hitman
>>712701481Hitman is fun. Play the WoA trilogy first, and if you like it, go back and try the originals up until blood money. Absolution is dogshit and OP is a faggot, so you can ignore it.
>>712698943 (OP)TLDR.
Absolution still sucks because most of the missions aren't even real assassinations, the pull hat down meter, etc.
>>712701387They're listing off mechanics that Absolution invented.
>Crowd stealth.>Takedowns, particularly from cover (which coincides with the cover system).>Being able to hide unconscious (or dead) NPCs in closets.
>>712701515Due to the increased graphical fidelity and general complexity that comes with this, the new Hitman games would honestly be completely alienating for most players without the mission stories.
>>712698943 (OP)>there's no Contracts systemThis often gets ignored, too. It's pretty remarkable how much of modern Hitman's identity is just Absolution.
>>712701650But he does hide weapons behind his back in WoA. It just doesn't do anything. Its actually kind of annoying because he does that even when hes dressed as a guard that can have the gun out in the open.
>>712701740I'd say play WoA and if you like that go back to Blood Money and if you're very comfortable with that then go back to Contracts
Silent Assassin has a very unique nice atmosphere but it's pretty unplayable because it's hard and stupid, I wouldn't even bother with Codename 47
>>712702331Probably a fair take.
I always have a soft spot for Silent Assassin though. Dirt cheap to get too, so trying it probably wouldn't hurt anyone.
>>712701467>Silent Assassin btw
>>712700776>not in blood moneyI misunderstood you; I thought you were saying those things weren't possible in WoA. yeah, you're right in saying that the formula has changed drastically since blood money, but I still think WoA is a step in the right direction compared to what absolution was.
>>712702242Ive never seen that animation
>>712701467/thread
>>712698943 (OP)last hitman game is blood money, there is no more hitman games
>>712702850he does it automatically when he's facing certain characters, either the target or a guard, as if he's trying to conceal it.
>>712701740One of the reasons Blood Money fans are so desperate to stop people playing Absolution is that they're scared people will like it way more. Looking at Steam, Hitman Absolution has 502 reviews in the past month with 95% positive. Blood Money has 89 reviews with 93% positive. A lot of anti-Absolution propaganda really revolves around trying to manufacture a consensus that one of the most popular games in the series with a peak of 704 concurrent players in the last 24 hours despite the game releasing over a decade ago is some kind of black sheep.
>>712703350I know you're upset because your shitpost thread failed and you want some (You)s
But I'll actually be serious here for a second.
The mechanics of Absolution aren't actually bad. They're good, and that's why WoA took them.
However, the level design, mission objectives and story of Absolution, are absolutely trash, and I will never be convinced otherwise.
>>712703570>However, the level design, mission objectives and story of Absolution, are absolutely trashSomething you need to understand is that people like the level design. They like the checkpoint system. They don't actually like Hitman games being wide meandering sandboxes. The mission system in the new Hitman games allows them to TOLERATE that aspect of the Hitman games, but the mainstream has never liked or cared for it. A lot of Hitman fans online seem think that the game has these incredibly glowing user reviews despite its design choices, not because of them.
Another thing I don't understand is how Hitman, Hitman 2, and Hitman Contracts were all fairly linear. Then you get one sandbox game, and fans of said sandbox game throw a tantrum if there's any deviation from that. Reminds me of Red Faction. There was only one open world Red Faction game. But its fans act like every Red Faction has to be open world.
712703743
You tried too hard.
>>712703743its just a different subgenre entirely. Hitman games are defined by they clockwork AI routines that can be learned and exploited in these sandbox arenas. Absolution is just a linear stealth game with a couple wider sections.
It's not even a bad stealth game, but it completely misses the point of Hitman
May I hijack this thread to ask if I buy the standard version of World of Assassination now, which is on sale on steam, and if I decide to buy "HITMAN World of Assassination Deluxe Pack" later, does this end up being the same as buying "Deluxe Edition"?
>>712705324i honestly dont know. for some reason they make buying this game confusing as shit.
>>712705467Yeah I am aware lol I wrote this game off and put it on ignore back then because how fucking confusing it was to buy it.
Then I decided to claim Sapienza when it was free and then the Le Chiffre trailer finally pushed me to check it out and I ended up kinda liking it despite the online only BS.
So I want to buy it again and I am back to square one in terms of how to buy this shit
>>712705870cs rin has a cracked version of peacock so you can play completely offline
>>712705324Yes, it basically upgrades your standard edition to the deluxe edition, giving you most notably the 2 HITMAN 2 dlc levels and the 2 sniper levels (which are great)
I would say just buy the Deluxe edition of the game on a key reseller at this point, because you're gonna want those DLC levels at some point
>>712703956Have you considered the fact that the open ended, sandbox levels formula is literally the most fitting formula for a Hitman game?
Blood Money is still popular to this day because of this design
WoA takes Absolution's gameplay/controls refinements, and applies it to Blood Money's sandbox design, but on steroids
This is literally all people wanted after Blood Money, and thankfully they finally delivered
>>712701650coomers need to be purged
>>712702850Because you never played the game.
>>712703074why is it always turdworlders that praise jank money?
is it because they can't run the modern games?
>>712706467Yeah I heard about it, definitely intend on checking it out when I get annoyed enough, but thanks.
>>712706657>Yes, it basically upgrades your standard edition to the deluxe edition,That's nice to hear
>I would say just buy the Deluxe edition of the game on a key reseller at this point,I don't really want to risk grey market stuff. I checked clean places and most have similar prices to Steam now. Standard is on a respectable sale, I don't think I would mind upgrading with deluxe pack later if they are equivalent.
The levels in hitman games are always so good. How do they do it?
>>712698943 (OP)absolution was a nice spin off clearly inspired by hit tv shows of the era like breaking bad and dexter. people shat on it too much. it even came with the obligatory immersive sim brothel level.
>>712701467I like blood money as much as the next guy, but they couldnt help themselves to have an underground fighter as a target and not include a "enter the ring to take him down" as an option. of course it wasnt gonna be stealthy and they just kept it as a joke way to do it. they did go over the top with the execution and it made it that much more awesome and funny.
>>712701650>No strip club levelBerlin dominates all other night club levels lets be real.
>>712706886>coomers need to be purged>>712707445>Berlin dominates all other night club levels lets be real.
>>712703081I have never seen it, I only have World of Assassination, never bought 1 nor 2
>>712706956Dumbass
>>712701650dont forget that in WoA, they went and removed all the different classy panties for the women from hitman 1 and 2 and replaced them all with the same generic designless white panties.
>>712698943 (OP)>You can't choke people out.Wtf u mean? You can smack them with a gun after holding them
>>712707161I don't know how they do it, but IMO they have the best team of level designers in the industry currently
WoA has like 20-ish huge sandbox levels with insane replay value, and unparalleled freedom of approach, each with a unique atmosphere/mood
All of these levels feel like actual real world locations, it feels lived in, detailed, has a ton of environmental storytelling
>>712707572Turns out eurocucks are just as pozzed as ameritards
>>712701650>>No eyes wide shut level with naked womenWtf u mean
>>712705324only seven deadly sins missions I think not much to write home about anyway
it gives you 7 escalation missions that unlock cosmetics themed after the seven deadly sins
>>712706657yeah but if the key seller gives him a hitman 3 deluxe key instead of WoA deluxe key, he'll miss out on hitman 2 dlc missions
>>712698943 (OP)Which hitman is the sexiest
>>712707572That's not entirely true
Some female NPCs in Hitman 1 and 2 still retain their visible panties (for instance the woman in the red dress in Whittleton Creek)
I don't think it was a deliberate choice, but more a consequence of the huge compression work they did for Hitman 3
Let's not forget that Hitman 2 with all levels up to this point was 140 fucking Gb
In Hitman 3, with all levels from the 3 seasons, was merely 65 Gb
>>712698943 (OP)It's almost like the levels and game structure made Hitman games, not the controls.
>>712707617Agreed. The levels really feel alive.
>>712707918The Washington nigress in the white dress in Isle of Sgail also still has her visible panties
>>712698943 (OP)Nu Hitman is also garbage.
>>712707658Remember the BDSM smsterdam level at the beginning of Contracts, Meat King or Party and also the Heaven and Hell level of Blood Money and also the strip club in Absolution don't forget about Dianas proportions in Absolution and also shower scene
>>712707918>anon knows all the panties of all npcs in all levelssasuga
>>712707998>posted it again award
Alright just bought standard from steam, thanks guys.
>>712707918>>712708014I-I am sorry for doubting you IO-sama
I KNEEL
In the end, it truly was a World of Assโข
>>712708000checked
also dont forget the latex nuns level in absolution.
it even came up right after that kino dexter level, which made me think of showing the game off to others.
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>>712701467I threw a knife on his head from the outside
BMfags would probably find some fag ass sniping position because they're too pussy to actually play the game
sanest hitman enjoyer be like:
>>712708446hotman really is peak incel gameplay
>>712708446I love how oblivious cellphone users are.
>>712705324I know it's retarded but be aware that the Deluxe Edition is not the same as the individual "HITMAN 3 - Deluxe Pack", you need the "HITMAN World of Assassination Deluxe Pack Bundle"
>>712708519Especially Hawke's Bay level, where you do an actual home invasion, and then once the female target gets home, you stalk her all throughout her evening routine until she goes to bed
Bonus points if you subdue all other NPCs on the map except her, you then wake her up, you chase her around the house until she finally drowns herself in the ocean out of fear (i'm not joking, it's a secret way to kill her, slasher style)
>>712708272I remember, IO used to be so based, don't forget about the sexy cowgirl and also the villain who strips to her lingerie, absolutekino
>>712708647Love the creepy atmosphere in this level
It's just Hitman 2's tutorial level, yet it's also one of my most replayed level
The concept of infiltrating the house before the target and npcs are even there is really exciting
Finding the dead and tortured couple in the garage, the creepy ass paintings on the walls, the eerie music, being able to close the blinds
Great level
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>>712708879absolution was pretty fun, though wrongly advertised as a mainline game. the plot was kinda interesting even if it went against stablished canon. I also liked that they just used it wholesale for multiple movies before WoA became a thing. those movies felt like proper game adaptations cause they didnt try to reinvent the plot much. just flesh it out. some of those plots actually made it into important parts of WoA's plot.
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the new elusive target is actually really good
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>>712707445Berlin is incredibly disappointing, all the ICA agents except the sniper are passive, just waiting for 47 to kill them
>>712709457It's my favorite level in the trilogy
To each their own I guess
for me, it's rico delgado's drunk hag latina wife
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Haven Island sure is comfy
so is the casino update worth playing??
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Hitman medieval
Hitman Gilded Age/victorian
Hitman old west
Hitman trailer trash
Hitman roaring 30s
>>712701650Coomers are so fucking annoying, kill yourself.
>>712709764Yeah, it's great.
>>712709490>>712709490It's good on the first playthrough then bad once you realize how incompetent the other ICA agents are
47 is pretty much the only agent with any agency, none of the other agents actively attempt to hunt him except the sniper (and that's only if you run past his tripwire)
>>712710158Did you know the sniper does not even need a gun?
>>712710158You're tripping
It gets better on replays due to its unique concept
They were never gonna reinvent their whole AI model just for one fucking level you retard
There are 10 targets on the map, but you only need to kill 5 to accomplish the mission, and you can choose to kill these 5 targets in any combination you see fit
Hell you can even kill all 10 targets by subduing some of them and going back to kill them later, gets you a secret dialogue from the agents' handler who just kneels at 47's superiority
Reminded me of the rehab level in Blood money where 2 targets are optional, i like this gimmick
Jesper Kyd was 50% of Hitman's authority and his lack crippled WoA more than any mechanical issues could.
You cannot debate me on this.
>>712710428That's why I love Berlin, it's the most freeform level in the trilogy by far
>>712710502I'll debate you that 50% is marginally too low
>>712710502soundtrack is nice and all them but this is not the reason why i come back to these games
blood money for instance feels incredibly limited after playing woa for hundreds of hours
you have like 3 optimal ways to deal with the targets at best, and for most targets you essentially have only one way to do it
loved blood money when it was all we had but now that woa is a thing i can hardly go back
>>712710502You are wrong.
>>712703743>They like the checkpoint system.Literally anyone who even slightly enjoys stealth games, hate the fuck out of a checkpoint system
Any stealth game that's worth a damn has a manual save system period.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO BUT MUH SAVESCUMMING IT'S NOT FAIRThen shut the fuck up and play the game on Master difficulty and you'll only be able to save one time per mission
>>712710428>They were never gonna reinvent their whole AI model just for one fucking level you retardThey should, given that Hitman 3 released with fewer base maps excluding Ambrose Island which released later
>gets you a secret dialogue from the agents' handler who just kneels at 47's superiorityI'm aware but it's easy to be superior to a bunch of incompetent fools
It could've been way better
>ica agents carrying lethal poisons can apply it to blending in spots with drinks to kill 47>agents with proximity explosives can plant them at corners, giving just enough time for 47 to dodge>agents will pull out their guns in response to sound and should always travel with an additional guard>the sniper agent should actively look and fire at an undisguised 47 with a laser sight to make it fair>agents should carry frag grenades in addition to flash ones>proximity sedative poison traps can be used and if 47 is caught, leads to him being kidnapped like in the latest elusive target>ica agents shoot on sight instead of responding with generic guard AI
>>712711354No they shouldn't, the AI in this game is already a tricky balance, I'm glad thay they kept the AI 100% predictable like in any good stealth game.
Not reading any of that drivel afterwards.
>>712708225Ljudmila Vetrova
The old hitman games were good at the time but the new one is simply better.
Absolution is fun and good.
>uhm actually game is le bad because besides stealth you can go guns blazing and even though I don't play like that someone else can and that keeps me awake at night
lol
>>712706884>Blood Money is still popular to this day because of this designAbsolution is more popular than Blood Money, though. So what does that tell you? That people prefer the way Absolution did it.
>>712704225>Hitman games are defined by they clockwork AI routines that can be learned and exploited in these sandbox arenas.Most players don't actually care about that aspect of Hitman. They play the scripted missions and nothing else. It has always been a vocal minority, much like the Splinter Cell fans who prefer Chaos Theory to Blacklist.
>>712701467This would have been a perfectly legitimate stealth kill if he didnโt take off the mask lol
>Absolution is more popular than Blood Money, though.
>It has always been a vocal minority, much like the Splinter Cell fans who prefer Chaos Theory to Blacklist.
>>712712586As WOA and Blood Money established, the people in Hitman verse collectively caught the terminal case of face blindness post Hitman Contracts.
>>712712753>game uses it's own engine>looks miles better than any unrealslop
>>712712665Absolution receives about 5x more reviews each month on Steam than Blood Money. And they're more positive. It's absolutely the far more popular game. Absolution has overwhelmingly positive recent reviews. The game is basically universally loved. There is a vocal minority that don't like it, and they don't like being reminded they're a vocal minority.
Similarly, on the Splinter Cell side of the fence, there's a bunch of people who can't deal with the fact that Blacklist represents the brand in the same way that Max Payne 3 represents the Max Payne brand. For some reason Chaos Theory fans are living in 2005. They don't understand, or don't want to understand that the Splinter Cell remake is going to look like Blacklist, play like Blacklist.
>>712712110Ooh where in Sapienza is this
>>712698943 (OP)>its a minnesota level
Bros the 007 teaser looked gay as fuck but I'm holding out hope. All I ever wanted was Hitman but with a decent melee combat system. Environment interaction would be a plus.
If the open ended levels are decent and I can have a cool fistfight in a bathroom the game will be good. If it's anything else I will be sad.
>>712712856and that's not even an actual map
it's a sniper level, converted to be playable "normally"
this game looks so good, crisp and colorful in all the good ways
>>712712973>93% positive all-time reviewsWtf how? The game genuinely sucks in every aspect except graphics
>>712713003It's the Icon side mission
Go to your Destinations tab, select Sapienza, and go to the right, you'll see those side missions
>>712713091>it's a sniper level, converted to be playable "normally"IOI need to absolutely implement this into the official game
>>712709457>>712710158Berlรญn would probably be better if the ICA agents killed you with 1 or 2 shots like the assassins do in Freelancer
>>712698943 (OP)What's the deal with the coop mode they announced? Next year? Kinda cool to have a male and female agent to open up unique disguises for each player.
>>712713048>Hitman but with a decent melee combat systemHere you go
>>712713043
>>712713139Yes you're right, I just can't remember that interior
>>712713191nigger I said decent not an infinite looping QTE
even the Bourne game stories something interesting with melee as shit and jank as it was
>>712713148I'm not sure why they should
They'd have to rework the whole goddamn thing to be actually playable, fix all the graphical problems that come with this conversion
Not worth the hassle, I'm fine with sniper levels being sniper levels, I'd rather they release one or two completely new levels, but sadly they won't either
>>712701740Seems I redeemed Sapienza, so steam is giving me a big yellow text warning if I add the Standard to my cart. I won't have any actual problems when buying it, right?
Also why the fuck is actually buying this game this confusing?
>>712713247Because the port and the siberian prison are absolutely kino and unless those are the completely new levels they'd make, I still want those redone fully 3D. It would be less work than the Hitman 2 DLC
>>712713247>the whole goddamn thing to be actually playableyeah that'd be a lot of hard work, better do more c-list celebs elusive targets instead
>>712713207its the guys trailer. off to the right of where the scene takes place closer to the shops
>>712713376This is the Sons of Liberty remake
>>712713281I think it has something to do with all the weird piecemeal content they did while under a different publisher. Like the first game was an episodic release and the next 2 weren't, and then they combined the levels of all 3 games into a single package and started self publishing. It's a fucking mess all around.
When they started selling the world of assassination pack that was a huge positive because you could finally get all the important content with a single purchase. If you want more cosmetics or alternate versions of existing gadgets you can get the other DLC but you aren't missing any core functionality with WoA
>>712707445>>712710428I'm on my second Berlin playthrough and I didn't know about that, I'll try to kill the 10 agents, this is fun
>>712713431or ground zeroes
>>712713674don't hide the unconscious bodies in anything because they become unkillable
>>712713376>>712713685what the hell level is this
No one cared about the remake of A New Life
Give me modern remakes of:
Hitman 2: Silent Assassin Japan
Hitman 2: Silent Assassin Malaysia
>>712713906hantu port mod
>>712711634based AI user
generate some porn of her now
>>712713912Give me the remake of the Japan level where thereโs no target and itโs just you walking in a straight line for 10 minutes and the guards can see through your disguise from the other end of the map
>>712713942I have made hitman mods and didn't know there were custom levels now.
that's fucking insane. compatible with freelancer?
>>712714041freelancer variations supports it
>>712714015Starting Location #1, also cinema, also filtered
>>712714131hell yeah I'll need to set up a new install. Any thoughts on Peacock? worth it or not these days?
>>712698943 (OP)>I feel most Hitman fansmuh feelings. let's all talk about this guys feelings! MY FEELINGS. MY G-SPOT.
>>712714206i use the cracked one and it works fine, currently 8.1.0
>>712713220is this modded? i don't recall the bandana in that mission
>>712714206peacock is the only way to play
piratechads get more content than paycucks
>>712714436They announced it at the IOI presentation during summer games fest but it was just a couple screenshots and I cannot bother sifting through the entire stream archive to find the brief moment they talked about it, but here's an article that covered it
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/action/a-hitman-co-op-mode-is-in-development-featuring-two-familiar-faces-from-agent-47s-past/
>>712714490So it supports freelancer properly and all the past content now? Last time I played the game modding was still pretty young so it was missing tons of features. I am crazy excited to see these custom maps
>>712714481yes it's a remake hitman 1 mission
>>712714592it should support everything now
mods let you add more variations to freelancer, maps nighttime/weather etc too
>>712714560eeh idk how about that
>play as nigger or girl bossnty
>>712714592i'm not sure how many custom maps there are but hantu was the only full different one i found, its converted from a sniper map. there is a colorado one as well and i think a train level. and freelancer variation by itself comes with a version of the final test but it looks like cuba
vid for hantu
https://youtu.be/UYqzdYGP6eE
>>712714685fuck yeah man
I learned a lot over these past couple years and I think I could update More Blood mod to spawn decals on the ground more consistently.
If I get back into the game I'll spend a day looking into it
>>712714754thank God for mods. I'm sure there will be a way for both players to be 47 within a week of it releasing
>>712714490what is stopping paycucks from using mods as well?
>hokkaido is my favorite map!!11
weebs, the lot of you
>>712714781>version of the final test but it looks like cubaThat sounds cool enough to me. When I stopped playing, Freelancer Variations had just put out it's second update iirc so it was still broken enough to avoid using. It'll be nice to finally have all the alternate maps working properly. Does it change any AI? I remember they were getting close to custom patching scripts back then and it seems to have progressed more than I ever expected
>>712715017>custom patching scriptspathing*
>>712701481If you like checklist games, that tell you what to do and then put a checkmark down when you have done it, then it's a game for you.
This is my relationship with Hakan/IOI
>>712715151>>712698943 (OP)btw. OP.
Crapsolution started with the checklist "gameplay", where the game literally tells you what to do.
This wasn't in Blood Money, which was good, because you were on your own.
Some of the dialog in this game is absolutely whack
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>>712715151it's a weird game because the entire story mode is just a big tutorial for elusive targets. you are supposed to play the levels multiple times and explore all the opportunities so that you can navigate confidently enough to take the one-chance mission on a character you've never seen before. And then level changes force you to improvise over your normal strategies because of the little things like the guard you usually get a disguise from not existing, or more NPCs milling about in a room you normally use as a safe space
it has a huge time investment to just learn the basics and unlock the tools, but then the harder content becomes top tier
>>712715242underrated map desu
>>712713158Would be nice for master difficulty
>>712711465It's nice to break the rules for just one map
>>712715341>opportunities
>>712715448yeah it's a shitty gimmick if you only play through the levels once, but they become invaluable tools for solving the more complicated puzzle assassinations
What is your favorite
>suit
>gun
>level
>target
>>712715341so like if you fail an elusive target, you never get them? and after beating all the elusive targets, you run out of endgame content?
>>712715508it's literally checklists.
in Blood Money all of that was organic, you may figure it out, or maybe you don't.
now it's literally large checklists that spell out all the "content" out to you.
>>712715551they had to figure out a way to defend their always online DRM.
>hurr durr how about special targets that you can only play once and they are time limited on top of that???>what a great idea IOI>let me support you with money
>>712715551the elusives come back around periodically or you can be a peacock chad and just play them when you want
If you really beat them all and still want more content, you can find really high effort community contracts
>>712715564in blood money it felt like the checklists were spread across multiple levels
in WoA, every level has every checklist and the level is designed to make all of it possible in the same level
>>712715613Im more pissed about having to rebuy hitman 2 dlc
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WoA brothers... Our game has actual content and replay value... It's fucking over for us...
>>712715843Blood Money had no checklists.
you had an objective, that's it.
it was basically Breath of the Wild.
While nu-Hutman is basically an AssCreed game.
Freelancer mode alone shits all over prior Hitman games, it's the literal peak of Hitman
There I said it
>>712716412You don't know what you're talking about and it shows
>>712716462quiet child
actual Hitman made for adults had no wallhacks either
>>712716585Yeah instead you got the Harry Potter map where you saw NPCs move in real time on it
Truly the adult Hitman game
>>712716462>there are no checklists in nu-Hutmanhttps://www.ign.com/wikis/hitman-3/All_Berlin_Challenges
[ ] Who's Sniping the Sniper?
Description: Eliminate Agent Tremaine with a sniper rifle headshot.
[ ] Crane Trauma
Description: Eliminate Agent Thames by setting up a crane accident.
[ ] How the Turntables
Description: Eliminate Agent Montgomery and Agent Banner in the light show grand finale.
[ ] Drive It Home
Description Eliminate ICA agents as they evacuate the area.
etc.
It's a nu-game made for retarded people
>>712715530I don't have them all unlocked but I like this suit, kinda makes me wanna wear one
Well, thread's over boys, the contrarians freaks have ruined all the fun once again
>>712716628>2D map in a 3D planehttps://hitman.fandom.com/wiki/Difficulty_Level
Agency Assistance: How much information the map gives. On Rookie and Normal, everything is shown on the map, from Expert to Professional, more details are absent. On expert guards, police, points of interest and the location of guard stations are no longer visible on the map. On Professional only main targets, optional targets, 47 himself and the exit(s) are shown.
cope
>>712716781Yeah I can also freely disable instinct and minimap and missions stories in Hitman WoA
>>712715530Why do all the good suits have driving gloves ffs
>>712716825>difficulties are like game optionsthey aren't
So the nu-Shartman doesn't even have difficulties then?
and wallhacks
and checklists
next you will tell me you can shoot enemies from 300 m away through walls
>>712716953>So the nu-Shartman doesn't even have difficulties then?It makes sense that you don't know, since you haven't played the game
>>712716953>nu-Shartman doesn't even have difficulties then?>and wallhacksare you being a retarded nigger on purpose? WoA does have professional difficulty and it does disable seeing enemies through walls. fucking idiot.
>>712717045>nu-Shartman player doesn't even understand what a question isNot surprising for an Absolution enjoyer
>>712717105You're trying way too hard
>>712717085so one difficulty, ok.
instead of 4 in the OG actual Hitman games
so another downgrade
>>712717085>To play a mission on Professional difficulty, players must reach Mastery level 5 in its respective locationgay
gay
gay
>>712717156listen you fucking dipshit coon, do you want to disable the fucking features that give you a shitfit via a difficulty selection or not? what more granularity is missing for you that lets you be such a massive sperg online with no shame?
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>>712717156From the very page you linked earlier:
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>>712716417Freelancer is all i wanted from the hitman series since i played it for the first time
>>712717189Nu-Shartman "Professional" isn't actually Professional.
>You may only save once per mission. Autosaves are disabled.lmao
>you can le save onceNot in Blood Money or other actual Hitman games
GAY
>>712717189But that's wrong you fucking retard
>>712717278Stop giving the gay faggot (You)s
>>712717278>the wiki is wrong and lying!!!https://hitman.fandom.com/wiki/Difficulty_Level#HITMAN%E2%84%A2
cope
>>712716765It's literally a bunch of coping turd worlders who are mad because they can't run the game on their win7 setups.
They always call in their discord gang to shit on the thread with the most inane stuff.
>>712717376This is Hitman 1's difficulty system, not WoA (the whole package)
>>712717278>it's it's wrong, the official info of the game is wrongIOI shills have entered tht thread
>>712705467>for some reasonIt's called a "scam".
>>712708578Too funny, but true. Deluxe bundle is not the deluxe edition. Assholes.
>>712717512you are looking at the wrong game's wiki you mongoloid fucking shitskin
WoA lets you play both professional and master from the start
>>712717425>it's nu-Shartman, not nu-Shartmancope
>just rebuy the DLCfuck off, IOI shill
Professional is the default entry point and balanced to give players a feeling of being a true assassin, using all of the gameโs intricate mechanics together with their ingenuity to assassinate their targets.
Unlimited saves.
braahhahaha
>it's totally "Professional">you have unlimited savesChoose one, IOI shill
>>712717580>it's nu-Shartman, not nu-Shartmanare you retarded?
brain cancer?
even absolution gave you literally no saves on Professional
your Shart-game is worse than Absolution lmao
>>712717654so you want no saves? that's Master. available from the start. I wish I could press my asshole against you big bucked hillbilly teeth and spray alcoholic gutrot diarrhea down your faggot throat
>>712701467In Blood Money you can do pretty much the same thing in the opera mission. Blood Money also lets you do various silly shit like killing the witness' guy's wife with a coin in front of glowies and getting glowies to run over the witness guy with their limo while they all shoot you frantically, which also counts as SA.
Absolution haters are confirmed zoomers who only played nu-hitman slop.
>>712717710>just don't uhhh saveyour shart-game is for normie retards
stop with the shilling
buy an ad
Why are there so many retarded schizos on this board lately? Feels worse than usual.
Imagine fucking up that much, that you need a literal guide on how to "purchase" the game.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HiTMAN/comments/18w8zet/2024_guide_to_buying_hitman_3_and_world_of/
>have invasive online DRM for your shart single player cinematic "game"
Q: Can I switch to a different platform and keep my H3/WoA progress without starting from scratch?
A: The progress is tied to you platform's (Steam, Epic, PSN, Microsoft) account so you can't switch from one platform to another
>no, it's not cross platform, because fuck you
>>712717883>ha ha, le funny physics during cutsceneokay, so there are unrealistic physics in the game, it's basically a Rockshart game then
>>712701650>literally all lies
>>712717924Q: What's the difference between H3 Deluxe Pack / Edition and WoA Deluxe Pack /Edition?
A: In case it's somehow still not clear, H3 Deluxe Pack is a single DLC and H3 Deluxe Edition is H3/WoA game plus that DLC. WoA Deluxe Pack is a bundle of 3 DLCs and WoA Deluxe Edition is H3/WoA game plus that bundle.
Q: Can I buy just the H2 Expansion without buying the whole WoA Deluxe Pack bundle?
A: On all platforms except Playstation you can buy each of the 3 DLCs included in WoA Deluxe Pack separately for 1/3 of the price of the whole bundle. But on Playstation you need to buy the whole WoA Deluxe Pack bundle to get H2 Expansion unless you already own any of the other DLCs from the bundle, then you can buy any of the remaining ones via in-game store tab.
holy fuck, is IOI retarded or what?
Q: What is this WoA Part One and WoA Upgrade Pack?
A: Part One is basically a paid demo and the way to buy part of the full game now and buy the rest later. So you pay about 40% of the price of the full game for Part One and get access to only H1 GOTY content inside H3 and later you can buy Upgrade Pack for the remaining about 60% of the price of the full game to get the rest which gives you the full H3/WoA game. The Upgrade Pack on its own can only be combined with that Part One.
>>712718050>A: On all platforms except Playstationwtf
>>712718026there's a strip club in woa?
>Arcade mode
>Walk around
>Accidentally enter restricted area that I didn't even know was restricted
>Guards shoot the shit out of me and I die
>>712718125>Absolution.webm>nu-Shartman
>>712718128AI slop copied from Hitman 2 on PS2
>>712718128This is why I walk slowly up to guards and wait for them to tell me it's off limits.
>>712701467This. Interesting OP gaslighting thread. Absolution is fucking trash
>>712715530>The Undying>Shortballer>Sapienza>no idea
>>712718459It's mostly trash but there are a couple of reasonable levels in there which don't involve using the shitty cover system to sneak through areas
>>712718459>checklist Absolutionthat's trash
>checklist nu-Shartman with online DRM on top of that (no online servers = no unlocks)wow, GOTY
>>712718125No, but the rest of the list is complete bullshit.
>inb4 moving the goalpost
>>712718125pretty sure this caused the feminists to run a hate train campaign on this game. and no one noticed it was them.
hey at least it caused the games to go back to sandbox mode.
>>712718593>it doesn't count!!!So show us all the naked big boobed beaitufl women in woke Nu-Hutman
>>712718741>it's because IOI is feminists
>>712718810didnt say that
>>712718540this part was kino.
worst thing about this game was honestly that doing a silent assassin run was next to impossible as the levels were not desgined for it.
>>712718875so you are blaming some outside group instead of THE ONES WHO CENSORED HITMAN AND MADE IT WOKE
>>712718761he can't do it
>>712718908Game so woke it has the highest amount of woman targets and brown targets in the whole series
Love this kind of woke
>>712719107KEK that's actually true
WoA chads keep on winning
Somewhat off-topic but it pisses me off that WoA doesn't have offline scoring. I don't buy the "muh cheaters" explanation, it's 100% an anti-piracy measure, and it's going to hurt the game's longevity.
>>712719107So show us all the naked big boobed beaitufl women in totally not-woke Nu-Hutman
>but you can also murder brown people and w*menso it portrays w*men as CEOs and other bosses?
holy fuck
>no, no inclusivity is not woke
>>712717956Now I understand why these money are blood.
>>712719292True, all targets should have been middle aged white men, and not this woke crap, amirite fellow conservatives?
>>712719349Pick up that goalpost, anon.
>>712719349based
no brown people or worse w*men allowed in my Hitman game, unless they are bikini models and retarded
>>712719292I liked absolution. I enjoyed it a lot. you are picrel.
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Why the fuck are there non-whites in my fucking Hitman game
The fuck is this woke shit
>>712719349https://hitman.fandom.com/wiki/Dalia_Margolis
Dalia Margolis is the real brains behind IAGO, operating a private global espionage network while hiding behind her role as a retired supermodel.
LMAO
>no, no, this isn't woke trash>girl boss is just the BRAINS behind le intelligence networkhttps://hitman.fandom.com/wiki/Francesca_De_Santis
>renowned Italian scientistlmao
https://hitman.fandom.com/wiki/Maya_Parvati
A former assassin for the Tamil Tigers, Maya Parvati acts as the Colorado militia's training instructor.
>we were trained soldiers and shiet>w*men do not fail in combat roles, they are superior and instructorshahahaaaa
WOKE
>>712719604>3 white guys>no, no, they aren't white>one is even a NaziBALD
>>712719234The always-online restrictions are especially unforgivable with the new Switch 2 version.
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>>712719634>Dalia MargolisYou conveniently forgot to mention that she's a former Mossad jewess
Straight off the bat in the very first mission, WoA is based, holy shit
And then again in the Colorado mission you kill a former Mossad interrogator
Why can't I kill jews in the old Hitman games? Jesus Christ those old games were pozzed tranny shit.
>>712719753that's on game key anyways, and thus irrelevant
but right, its one thing to go online DRM on PC, which is fair.
But for consoles? that makes zero sense
as soon as the servers are pulled, the "game" basically disappears
>>712719795>lefties hate Jews>this isn't wokeSo they even injected nonsensical Jew hatred
>jew is a supermodelchoose one, retard
>>712719705>>712719870How do you do fellow conservatives
>>712719795Kek well done, the shitposting faggot is on full meltdown mode
>>712719904fine
we aren't socialists / Nazi scum, who burn down cities, and we also don't support terrorists
>>712719795>I'm not wokehttps://www.foxnews.com/video/6352615358112
nice try
>>712719795Damn, I didn't know the new games were so based
I have to play them new
>>712719234the online leaderboards are full of cheaters thoughbeit
>>712720506Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me?
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>Oh yeah, that happened...
>>712701650>>No gun behind back animationsyou're wrong about this
>>712720591woke satanic shit
this has nothing to do with hitman
all targets should be middle aged white men, nothing more conservative than killing white men, as
>>712719292 said
Doing the sniper game mode is such a chore
>>712720676>hot assasins dressed up as nuns are sataniclmao
show me all these hot big boobed girls in nu-Shartman
go one, where are they?
>>712720773>nuns dressed like whores, with a nigger leading them, and holding gunswoke blasphemy and satanic shit of the worst kind
>but you le kill them xD>we were trained soldiers and shiet>w*men do not fail in combat roles, they are superior>no, no inclusivity is not wokeKEK
>>712720959>you can't play dress up as nuns, that's blasphemyDefine blasphemy:
>Contemptuous or profane speech or action concerning God or a sacred entity.>An instance of this.>Irreverent or impious action or expression in regard to something considered inviolable or sacrosanct.Nu-Shartman fan is illiterate
pro-tip: they don't even pretend to be actual nuns, lmao
>>712698943 (OP)has anyone tried playing absolution with the japanese dub?
>>712720959>you must be defending AbsolutionJust pointing out that AT LEAST Absolution wasn't woke trash, like nu-Shartman is
But Absolution was the prototype of nu-Shartman
Woke Absolution = nu-Shartman
>>712721076>>712721147imagine unironically defending woke shit
it's shit, I know it's shit but it's $2 on gog
>Shartman isn't woke
https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Akane_Akenawa
>She was also rude and even implied to be xenophobic, shown when she called a North Korean patient as filthy.
KILL HER FOR BEING XENOPHOBIC, 47
nu-47: right on, Diana, all xenophobic people need to DIE
wtf is going on in this thread?
>>712722168weird, that there are no trans targets in nu-Hitman
Weird, that there are no disabled black female targets in nu-Hitman
>>712712753How do you walk around in Hantu Port? Do all sniper maps have collision?
>>712701467didn't read OP but this isn't really a good assessment of Absolution's shortcomings.
agent 47 can take his mask off and people won't recognize him since he's genetically engineered to be unrecognizable to most people he goes after.
as for the setpiece assassination. there's nothing inherently wrong here. it's not like underground wrestling match couldn't lead to a death, and it's not like 47 couldn't use his martial prowess to overcome a random musclehead 2 times his size.
and thirdly, the games were never "stealth", they were "social stealth", he's still hiding in plain sight here as a wrestler.
>>712722537>the games were never "stealth", they were "social stealth"lmao
>kill a bunch of people
>watch the guard jannies clean it all up
>>712698943 (OP)WoA took the good bits of Absolution (polish and QoL features) and put them in a game that was designed like Blood Money. Itโs the best follow up to BM you could ask for.
>>712702101All of those are improvements to the core gameplay. You might argue that subduing is OP because it gives you infinite KOs, but it takes a long time, is noisy, and is balanced out by every map having hundreds of NPCs.
Besides, human shield knockouts gave you infinite knockouts in Blood Money too. It made the sedative poison completely useless once you learned that.
>>712720591>journos cried about sexy boobas so we never got them again sad!
>>712722868>polish and QoL
>>712698943 (OP)Absolution is the reason why I believe in 2nd chances. Hitman 16 and Absolution were made by the same people. Next to no one who worked on Contracts or Blood Money still works at IOI but the new team successfully modernized Hitman and made it a juggernaut.
I just wish WoA was immersive. It feels like VR missions in MGS, artificial and soulless.
>>71270799828? Top left and bottom right should have the same volume as top right and bottom left?
>>712723035You're joking right?
It's the closest thing to an immersive sim that isn't first person
All of the levels feel lived in, are detailed to the most minute things possible, are actually interactive
My guess is you are retarded
>>712722220newfags taking the bait from a retard enjoying an infinite dopamine rush
>>712723018>modernized it for modern audiencesIt was fine just like it was.
Now it's endless checklists.
>>712719795>KILL HER FOR BEING J*W, 47>nu-47: right on, Diana, all j*w people need to DIEThis game is so based
>>712718761No one cares.
Consider suicide.
>>71272329847, we need to kill these evil wh*te cops that killed this innocent black male
nu-47: right on, BLM BLM BLM
47, we heard that these 2 wh*te dudes are directly responsible for climate change
nu-47: right on, will kill them all, we need to pay more taxes to avoid climate change
47, we heard this men avoided the shot. they are dangerous to our democracy and thus must be disposed.
nu-47: right on Diana, fuck these shot deniers, they get a shot in the back of their head. (laughter starts, applause starts)
>>712723349>I can't>but it's totally not wokeI accept your concession.
>no one cares about hot big boobed women.Anyone that has a benis does.
>>712723436This doesn't happen in any Hitman game thoughbeit
>47, we heard that these 2 wh*te dudes are directly responsible for climate changeIt's funny, because in the Colorado mission in WoA, you have to do the exact opposite, which is killing the leaders of a leftist eco terrorist group/militia
The new games are pretty good. Blood Money was designed by white people without DEI so itโs obviously going to be better, but the new games still give me the same sense of freedom for most levels. I love that you can start in new locations now. BM was missing that
>>712723195Iโd argue that the game does deserve to be considered an immersive sim. Sure, itโs missing the RPG elements you might expect from that kind of game, but if Thief can be considered an immersive sim, I donโt see why Hitman canโt. Especially when Hitman levels are fully simulated worlds rather than just gamey levels.
>>712723264The game is designed to be played without markers. Itโs on you if you feel you need to tick off every checklist, since thatโs just there for completionโs sake.
>>712723035>soulless>thousands of guard dialog including level specific funny ones most players will never trigger>references to random 80s films 90% of the audience has never seen>massive levels where each area is still highly detailed even though they don't expect you to go there for any reason nor do you have a reason to go there>mission stories that utilize the location's culture in some way that makes the whole series feel like a globe trotting spy thriller>endless unique kill opportunities when all you need to "beat the game" with perfect rating is bunch of poison syringes+zapper phones>endless funny gadgets and useless shit that you never need to use but let you fuck around with for the sandbox fun>endless emergent gameplay possibilities due to the sandbox elements>genuinely some of the best level design in modern videogames, concentrated in one series of 3 games
>>712718382The games prior to Absolution had great weapon rosters. WoA has improved some since 2016 but most weapons still lack an identity. I hope they can improve upon this with the next game.
>>712723603>checklists>markersChoose one
both are shit game design though
>compleltion>i need to get all checklists checked off
>>712723727I'd like to hear some more crazy dialog besides
>>712715237
>>712723727/v/ermin isn't ready for this kind of talk yet anon
give it a few years, once the turdworlders tech catches up, they'll be glazing WoA like crazy
>>712723727>pointless drivel instead of actual good gameplay>le funny dialoguele sigh
MGS2+3 aren't masterpieces because of le funny dialogue, that comes at the end when everything else is excellent.
imagine MGS2+3 having checkbox game design.
[ ] climb the ladder without stopping
[ ] make it rhough area X without raising an alarm
[ ] destroy food caches of area X to make guards hungry (DID YOU KNOW THAT!!!!?????)
[ ] get rid of boss by exhausting his stamina
>>712723780My favorite is the guard discussing ASMR on Berlin (?)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT LE HECKIN CHECKBOX DESIGN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>712712708>Blood Money>face blindnessIt has Notoriety which can get you recognised by face if you leave it unchecked
>>712723882>[x] climb the ladder without stopping>[x] make it rhough area X without raising an alarm>[x] destroy food caches of area X to make guards hungry (DID YOU KNOW THAT!!!!?????)>[x] get rid of boss by exhausting his staminaMOM
MOM
I FULLY COMPLETED ALL THE EXPERIENCES IN MGS3
MOM
LOOK
ALL CHECKMARKS ARE CHECKERED
MOM
>>712723920The notoriety system in Blood Money is utterly meaningless
It's so easy to pay it off, and playing with it is excruciatingly annoying considering Blood Money doesn't have really good "standard" stealth mechanics
>>712723562>No response to this postOh no, I broke the shitposting faggot.
>>712723035You'd have to be legitimately braindead to even think that
>>712723596Nu-Hitman isnโt DEI though:
>has a diverse cast, but women and people of different ethnicities are in places it logically makes sense for them to be in the 2010s-2020s>all guards are male>you can kill everyone in the game and the game wonโt stop you>targets you kill come from both ends of the political spectrum. Ranging from neo-cons and fascists, to communists and the radical left>women are attractive, and there are women in bikinis>the one black hacker chick who joins you is an irrelevant side character who only does a couple of plot relevant things and is considered inferior to both 47 and Diana>the story chiefly focuses on 47 and Diana, who are both legacy characters.>the message of the game is pro-neutrality and pro-individualist>user created contracts are completely unmoderated, which means thereโs a lot of โkill blacksโ and โkill womenโ contracts.
>>712724217>women and people of different ethnicities are in places it logically makes sense for them to be in the 2010s-2020sYOU LIVE IN THE DEI WORLD NIGGERMAN
>>712724217>but women and people of different ethnicities are in places it logically makes sense for them to beI can't remember there being a mission where you kill a w*man in the kitchen.
>>712724217>>women are attractive, and there are women in bikinis>>712718761>So show us all the naked big boobed beaitufl women in woke Nu-HutmanGo ahead, show them to us.
>>712720591Why were people upset about the nuns again? They clearly fit into the Hitman universe, the nignog shouldn't be front and center though.
>>712723994he was actually wearing driving gloves in absolution? well dang
>>712724352Hawke's Bay, when the female target arrives to the location, she'll literally be in the kitchen for a while, you can poison her tea there
Haven Island, at some point in her loop she goes to the restaurant kitchen so that the chef makes her taste a dish
Dispose of the 2 cooks, lead her there, and you can kill her inside the kitchen, by either poisoning the dish or tampering with the stove and gas, she'll try to turn it on and make herself blow up
Checkmate faggot
>>712724478according to the woke left, they were sexist and misogynist
meanwhile in reality they are going:
>be as fat as you want to be>dress as much as a whore as you want to bewasn't there even a part by IOI about "le orange man"? I remember hearing about that.
>>712724513Too janky
I'm fine with eurojank but when it's a stealth game it's just atrocious
>>712724546Someone in current IO obviously thinks driving gloves are the coolest shit. Personally, I feel standard black leather gloves are better though: theyโre more โkiller-codedโ and they would make most outfits with driving gloves look 10x better.
>>712724513I did, it was pretty fun
>>712724798>the chef makes hershe BELONGS in the kitchen and is supposed to make food herself, that stupid lazy bitch
confirmed woke
also weird that the few black people aren't in Africa, where they belong
>>712724934>also weird that the few black people aren't in Africa, where they belongIt's funny you say that, because Hitman WoA is the only game in the whole series that has a mission taking place in Africa (Marrakesh)
WoA mogs, simple as
>>712724878>I feel standard black leather gloves are better though: theyโre more โkiller-codedโ and they would make most outfits with driving gloves look 10x better.You are obviously a man of culture.
>>712724217>user created contractsUnadulterated autism kino
>>712724864Thereโs two Trump parodies in Bangkok and Colorado respectively. Thereโs a blonde NPC in Bangkok who talks about running for office and โmaking his country great againโ and the guy heโs talking to is like โwhatever, buddy.โ. Then in Colorado, thereโs a guard talking about how the new presidential candidate is really charismatic and talking a lot of sense, and the guard heโs talking to is indifferent, but suggests that heโs maybe glazing him too hard, because heโs still a politician at the end of the day.
New York is such a great map
>>712725051and you kill a mixed general and a wh*te dude, OF COURSE
>>712725160did they add anything regarding B*den or Cl*nton, or is IOI wokist leftist trash?
like a "joke" about B*den being a pedo?
Meanwhile, at the Freelancer hideout...
>>712725194haven is the best out of 2's DLCs tbqh
it's just comfykinomaxx
>>712724327YOU HAVE DEFINED WOKE, AND IT DEFINES YOU.
>>712725359see a therapist
>>712725286>you kill a snownigger and a sandniggerHOLY BASED
>>712725431>see the rapistI don't want to see B*den
also
>I got nothingIOI confirmed leftist slop
>>712725359>NO NO NO YOU SEE IT HAS TO HAVE A REALLY SPECIFIC JOKE ABOUT CURRENT YEAR IN ORDER TO NOT BE WOKEthe absolute state of this board, fucking kek
>>712725451>fuck wh*te peopleright so.
it seems most targets are wh*te dudes.
weird.
why aren't even the targets in Africa black dudes and whores?
>>712725538So which one is it then?
Earlier in the thread you complained that a lot of targets were either women or browns
We're having a hard time understanding your point here buddy
>>712725497>when I go against Drumpf twice, but not against any corrupt politician>that means I'm not woke>fucking DrumpfWait a moment
IOI
located in Denmark
>it operates as a free-market democracy with a strong welfare state funded by high taxeschecks out
>>712725623link to the posts, pajeet
>everyone against Steam>wait>everyone against nu-Hitman is one guymeds
>>712725538he's swedish so it's ok
>>712725431>the therapist in question
Why the fuck are all the targets in this game white
Barely any women targets as well
The fuck is this pozzed tranny shit?
>>712725538>it seems most targets are wh*te dudes.weird
The first target in the game is a jew. Also, there are a number of black, Arab and, Asian and spic targets. You kill two black women who got to control a sub-faction of the Illuminati through nepotism.
>>712725992NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DO NOT SPEAK ILL OF LE HECKIN BASED BLOOD MONEY YOU FUCKING CHUD
>>712725704IOI is gay.
>t. Dane
>>712726086>two black womenonly 2? that sounds pathetic.
and not even for child murder?
>black women did control le Illuminati>WE WUZ ILLUMINATI AND SHIIIEETTT>btw. not wokelol
If the Illuminati was led by w*men, it would have crumbled down a very long time ago
>>712725992>basically no brown targets>basically no females>the few females that exist, are "assassins", but were not sent alone, instead a man is in chargebased
also
>optional target is some whore that flirts with gangstersvery based
>>712726258Lol
Blood Money doesn't have a single black target
>>712726453>optional target is some whore that flirts with gangstersnot a target, just a consequence of blood money's tutorial being pure garbage
>>712725992Vaana Ketlyn is a fearless and enthusiastic stage performer and talented party hostess. She does extremely dangerous pyrotechnics show at the Hell Club - performing, without safety precautions, on a platform that hangs above the shark aquarium.
>women are retarded>and stupid>and narcisisticHitman Blood Money is very realistic
>>712726480I count Mohammad Bin Faisal Al-Khalifa as brown.
>no blacksvery good, what's the problem?
>Hitman WoA has you killing a dyke
There's literally nothing you faggots can do about WoA, except screaming in the void lol
>>712726545>it doesn't counthttps://hitman.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Hitman:_Blood_Money_targets
Death of a Showman
Dell (optional)
Carol Anne (Optional)
Joseph Clarence
Absolution is kino. Best Hitman game ever made.
>>712726619You complained that WoA had most targets be white (which is blatantly wrong)
So which one is it then?
Absolution is not as good as Contracts, Blood Money, or the newer Hitman 1-3 games but it was alright.
I still think the shotgun in Absolution is one of the most satisfyingly powerful shotguns in any game.
>>712726480The tutorial level has black NPCs everywhere and the game requires you to kill some of them to advance. Mr. Scoop might as well be a target.
>>712726670>you killing a dykeI didn't kill her, a retarded doctor did :^)
>>712726670>that's important to meeeethat this is even mentioned in game means it's woke trash.
You remember Blood Money telling you who was gay or trans or whatever?
No, because it's irrelevant in non-woke media.
and everyone assumes that the characters are normal, and not gay.
>LOOK, THIS IS A STRONK FEMALE THAT IS GAY>have we told oyu that Ellie is gay?>YES, Ellie *IS* gay!!!
>>712726802list them all, pajeet
>>712725372Based and Dianashippilled
>>712726849>You remember Blood Money telling you who was gay or trans or whatever?Yeah, the game spells out for you that Skip Muldoon likes having "fun" with the waiter sailors
>>712726670>I'm a gay whore>and I can drive firmula one just like any m*leno, you can't.
back in the kitchen.
you literally can't compete.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/female-athletes-lost-almost-900-medals-to-trans-identifying-men-worldwide-un-report-finds/ar-AA1sMSo4
>it..it's fiction>it was real in my head>IOI is not woke!!!
>>712727064https://hitman.fandom.com/wiki/Skip_Muldoon
Six of his assistants lived aboard Emily with him, all presumably heterosexuals and at least one sharing a room with his girlfriend.
try again
>>712698943 (OP)Nu-hitman have no soul!!
Which discord is raiding us this time?
>>712725359Wasn't there an embassy level with a suspicious "circumcision knife" or something?
>>712727236IOI's shill discord, obviously.
trying to shill their shit online DRM'd game
I feel people donโt notice that a lot of the guns in WoA have slightly different stats. It becomes especially noticeable in Freelancer, so not all the guns are reskins.
>>712727293sounds American or Danish
>>71272696747 is old enough to be her grandpa
>>712727495 It's really a 15-ish difference at the highest, he was pre-ICA when she was like, 11? 12?
>you can't hide people in closets
You can hide bodies in crates in Blood Money.
keep in mind tho that the first nu-hitman from 2016 didn't have a lot of what you're talking about, it was basically an early access game and they added a lot of these absolution type elements (like hiding in crowds and shit) only later.
Currently going through the first 4 Hitman games after having it in my backlog for years. Completed C47 and 2, and in the middle of Contracts. Once played Absolution, but that was over a decade ago. Should I bother getting the new games?
>>712726849>>712727081You type like a faggot schizo.
the first hitman is booty cheeks and 2 isnt much better
>>712728278Contracts, Blood Money and WoA are the ones worth getting.
The main issue with Abolsution was that a lot of mission didn't even have a target, you just need to get to a door or whatever, and then it would lock behind you, thus dividing the level into areas. And the checkpoint system was shit, and the story was overbearingly woven into the missions to a point where you would get to a target only for 47 to fail the hit in a cutscene. The really good missions in Abso were the ones that were just one big area, with a target and just a bunch of ways to get to him, like King of Chinatown
(new) 2 > (new) 1 > Blood Money > Contracts > 3 > Absolution > 2 > 1
>>712728278if you enjoy the series there's no reason to stop.
>>712728318>no argumentsback into the kitchen.
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Voteman.
>>712724513if i had known about it back in the day i might have enjoyed it, it's very Silent Assassin-y looking, but i only discovered it in 2016, by then it was already too janky by those days standards.
>>712709421I failed this when Agent Smith comes to rescue you after getting poisoned, I thought of dragging the guard's body into the dumpster that's in the room and somehow that alerted every single guard on the map and got killed
Apparently, Agent Smith is the one who alerts the guards which is weird, so that means that ally NPCs can trigger an alert
>>712714685>blood money viewNice
>>712709421what's the reward?
>>712728552Contracts over new 3?
>>712729312Yeah i noticed that too. Really weird.
>>712714685Isn't peacock just a non official server?
Meaning it is still always online.
Plus they get your data
>>712729526Is it a bug? So far I've only seen one steam forum post talk about it
>>712729639No you fucking retard
Peacock is a server emulation solution
The only thing that requires internet with Peacock is the Steam/Epic ownership authentification when launching the game, after that you can unplug
>>712729524Yes. Contracts is pretty close to blood money.
3 is probably better but coming off 1 and 2 those maps were so lame and disappointing. They couldve made a cool train level but instead made it a linear progression level thats not worth replaying. Chongqing, Berlin, and Mendoza are awful. People praise Dartmoor but I thought it was kind of shit.
Dubai was the only level I kind of liked but even it was not as good as levels in 1 or 2
>>712729836>Chongqing, Berlin, and Mendozaall kino
>DartmoorKino as well
Damn, it must suck having such shit taste
>>712712307Wrong. Learning the patterns IS the game. That's why it's fun, because you can be nonchalant and chilling, just studying your target. So much in Absolution being scripted took a lot away from the subgenre as the other anon said.
>>712729735I am leaning towards bug
>>712729747Please remain civil.
>>712730135Fuck off trannime faggot
>>712729836Understandable, I thought the train level was okay for a throwback shootout last level but it probably should've been a tutorial level instead of the climax. Berlin has too many targets which meant that there's less openings for each of them, and Chongqing a bit of a disappointment for both a China level and ICA facility level. Mendoza's alright but really nothing special, and the camera mechanic overall is just stretching it
>>712730176Anime Weebsite
>mfw loading into the first map in 007 and causing some ruckus
>"HEY THERE'S SOMEONE BEING WEIRD AND THROWING STUFF"
Can you switch back and forth between vanilla and peacock without losing progress?
Will your official progress carry over to peacock?
>>712730389yes
yes you have the option if you want
>>712729909Chongqing (and berlin actually) is directionless and has no sense of advanced layouts and multiple entry/exit points. The lab is like the underground lab in Sapienza, which also was the worst part of that level. Both felt very controlled, on rails for story, without the expanded freedom and environmental variety you usually get.
I appreciate the attempt to do something new with the targets in Berlin, like in Mumbai where you had to find the target, but in both cases it just didn't work out. The best method is 2-4 targets.
Half of Mendoza/Berlin are winefields/a forest where nothing happens. Inside the main building of Mendoza is alright but it just feels lackluster. Its just kind of a boring setting without much in the way of interesting costumes, people, kills, etc. Same for Chongqing, berlin, and Dartmoor.
The vibe of Dartmoor was already cringe to begin with trying to copy Knives Out, a very reddit esque movie. But the concept of a large mansion with secret passages and Clue-like murder shenanigans is great on paper but in execution it was poor. Everything outside the house is dogshit and pointless, just like the outside of Mendoza/Berlin. Inside the house the secret passages are underwhelming, the attempt at a mystery to solve thing was cringe and stupid--just make it a normal hitman assassination level please. The characters, kills, costumes, and mansion layout was just disappointing and lame. Couldve done so much more with it.
Its clear they listened to criticism of all their levels just being big buildings like Paris or Bangkok, but their attempts to go outdoors more didn't work.
You personally, I get the impression youre the type to impressed by concept and ideas and don't really think too much about the actual design. Paris, Sapienza, Miami, Mumbai, Whittleton Creek, Isle of Sgail, Bangkok, Hokkaido, New York, etc are all just far superior levels.
>>712730523There's not a single level I dislike in WoA
Sucks to be you I guess
>>712730259Yeah thats something I have generally forgotten since release. it felt like 3 was trying to be too gimmicky with every level and it took away from the core aspect of Hitman which is the killing. Cameras, murder mysteries, finding the targets, etc.
Just give me 2-4 mustache twirlers in weird locations with toys
>>712730542t. console peasant
>>712730637If you have no argument its better to not even post.
>>712729909berlin and chongqing are good for one playthrough.
the problem is that there are like 15 maps in hitman that are fun for 10+ playthroughs
you never noticed how marrakesh is one of the worst maps in hitman? or bangkok? its because how limited they are. killing the lawyer is pain since you either poison him or drop a chandelier or get him up to his room. killing hugo is a pain because infiltrating the embassy is always just put on the highest guard uniform you can and lethal inject or mission story.
>>712730771Make me, faggot nigger
>>712730829I agree Marrakesh is one of the weakest. A lot of people shit on Bangkok but I like it more than other people. I feel there is enough variety and its a fun location. Its also nice not looking at all the brown of Marrakesh or Mumbai as well.
I think Colorado is one of the worst levels also
>>712730829Berlin is actually a map that gets better on repeat playthroughs. Dartmoor is the one that gets weaker after the first time, since once the novelty of the murder mystery wears off, you realise itโs kind of undercooked in every other area.
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>>712730649I actually enjoyed the murder mystery gimmick, it really wasn't that bad to try something fresh to get close to the target like that. Berlin is Berlin, the only problem is that the devs are clearly not capable enough to have 5+ targets with interesting routes and patterns PLUS a system where every one of them becomes alert in a mission that canonically requires them to be. It's when you needed to scan vents with your camera instead of playing it straight like the Hokkaido RFID system where the gimmick gets real annoying
>>712730991yeah i actually like bangkok a lot too, i just see its flaws and people always bring it up. its a great map in freelancer.
>>712731054colorado's pretty terrible in freelancer as well. it's clearly something that came off absolution's chopping board.
>>712730523I suppose I don't disagree with you. As far as Sapienza and Chongqing labs are concerned: Those were supposed to be HIGH SECURITY areas. They weren't intended to be super exploratory or open-ended.
How would you improve them?
>>712731236Colorado is the worst Freelancer map, but itโs not AS bad as people say. If you bring a sniper rifle, climb up the water tower, and then snipe your targets as quickly as you can, then it minimises your risk significantly.
>>712731319I understand they were supposed to be high security areas. Just about every level has high security (or requiring of a certain outfit) areas to get into that don't feel as controlled. its not that they were high security, but that you were kind of on rails. They are different though. Sapienzas lab you have to get into this suit, go into this door, do this chemistry bullshit, then leave. I dont remember much know but I believe there was scripted hightened security after you do the task. Chongqings lab felt overkill with getting clearance for doors and shit. It just didnt feel like hitman.
I wouldn't improve them; I would remove them.
Remake the second, third, and fourth game missions in WoA.
>>712731680>I dont remember much know but I believe there was scripted hightened security after you do the taskNo there wasn't
You clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about and it shows
The virus in Sapienza can be destroyed from inside the lab, and from the outside; by shooting the stalactite above the lab, getting the dongle and put it inside the emergency shut down computer on of the unit's rooftop, or you can just just snipe it from afar through the lab glass
You can also get inside the lab in many different ways
In Chongqing too, you can get inside the facility from an exit hatch, and bypass all of it
Then you can get inside the vents to the core room in your suit
Gotta love people who talk shit but clearly haven't played the game enough to open their asses about it
>>712731421problem is if you get in combat while you're up the water tower the entire map has to be killed because they will all camp the ladder and it devolves into an extended shootout which can be fun. i had a guard utter a line which i dont think ive ever heard them say which i think is triggered when that guard youre fighting is the last guard alive on the map and they yell some heroic shit about 2 champions fighting at the end of the world, unless that's just a colorado specific line i never play that map idk
>>712732115>you dont remember every precise detail from 9 years ago so im going to throw out your entire argument and start cursing and throwing insultsThis just signals you have low confidence in your argument. You are not convincing yourself let alone anyone else that the lab sections of those two levels are fun.
>>712731934>IOI announces they're gonna remake old levels in the new engine>first level they remake is from Absolutionhow mad would you be?
>>712698943 (OP)Yes, but in a not-shittily way.
>>712732406Depends on the level. Chinatown or Hope would be acceptable.
>>712732271webm related https://files.catbox.moe/pbxeq8.webm
first time in 500hrs+ i heard that line
>>712732406The absolution levels aren't that terrible. It wouldn't be hard to fix them.
Contracts remade missions from 1 already. though I feel like the missions in 1 and 2 that werent in Contracts just don't suit themselves well to what the modern Hitman formula has become. Also, if they remake levels from a pre-2016 Hitman era theyre either going to be too small or have to be redone completely.
The best thing is to just not bother. 1 and 2 are not worth remaking. Absolution probably not really either. Just make new levels.
I want to them to give up the globetrotting "wow so fancy look at all these different countries" element and lean more into more interesting events or situations. Something like a theme park. Though I can see why they would shudder away from the work involved in making a functioning theme park level.
People talk about an anime or gaming convention, and at first even I was on board with the idea, but after some thought that alone wouldn't be a great level. It would have to be paired with a fun location, as convention centers are not terribly complex or exciting places. Plus, Hitman's costume system generally works with people who wear similar costumes, like security staff, chefs, etc. Everyone wearing unique costumes would be a nightmare to design and wouldnt really work, and obviously theyre not going to put in actually licensed characters.
>>712709906>Coomers are so fucking annoying, kill yourself.
>>712698943 (OP)They really don't
It took the better parts
It took the two worst parts in the series from Blood Money to ever exist: bro, you uh... woah there, you're not a bro I know, lemme just escort your cute self back out to the starting point mmkay? Yeah I know, I Know, you could be wanting to murder someone but thats okay, I don't mind. Now you be a good little hitman and try again
>throw item>reeat to lure a guard ten thousand feet away so you can kil them/ko themAh yes, 'gaming'
>>712698943 (OP)It's almost as though level design is just as important as if not more so than game mechanics, especially when it comes to a fucking stealth game.
>>712718026Theres no hourglass figure nor female characters wearing BDSM outfits in WoA
>>712720667I keep hearing this but no one has posted proof of it
>>712713107Exactly this is what's missing in WoA
>>712716939No fingerprints
>>712724412>Go ahead, show them to us.Theres are none, thats the problem
>>712698943 (OP)It's true in a sense that people wanted more barbar shop missions than 99% of other contents of absolution, so they made the entire game out of that mission which is WoA
but barbar shop was more in line with the previous Hitman games than the majority of absolution, and it's the reason why people asked more of that so you're also wrong and gay
>>712698943 (OP)Absolution is similar to the first and second Hitman game where the levels are broken down into segments where sometimes you just need to reach the end and then after a few times doing this the target might be a boss fight instead of an open-ended assassination target.
>>712728750Parisbros this is bullshit. We've fallen off.
>>712731038Don't most pros in quake play with 200 FOV?
>>712735612Paris was never on top anyways, only a top 3 in a coinflip first game
>>712698943 (OP)Absolution is the last Hitman game that i like. I don't like the new ones. I like all Hitman games up to and including Absolution. I don't know why but this triggers some people on /v/.
>>712737384P.S. yes the episodic always online bullcrap is what turned me off the series. I also only shop on GOG so i am very much against DRM.
>>712737384>Absolution is the last Hitman game that i likeIt makes sense that you don't like nu-Checklistman, but Absolution was a trainwreck, and it was also checklistman.
If you unlock stuff on peacock, does it transfer back to your "real" game?
>>712737832That's mega gay.
>>712737891IOI is mega gay and smells like ass
>>712737891Why does it even matter?
There's no reason to play on official servers whatsoever after you had a taste of Peacock
Unless you like taking it up the ass and getting "disconnected" from your singleplayer game
>>712738026>he enjoys the taste of cockNo wonder you're mega gay and smell like ass.
>>712738070I'm not the one who wants to use IOI servers to play my singleplayer game
>>712738132Yes you are, you smelly mega gay boy.
>>712738132>my online server is better than yoursretarded faggot
>>712738132https://thepeacockproject.org/wiki/intel/faq
Don't try to use Peacock if it's literally your first time playing the game. You need to connect to the official servers at least once before you can connect to Peacock.
gay
>>712738669Peacock isn't an online server
It just turns your PC into the server, it's an emulator, retarded tech illiterate faggot
>>712738773>it's not a server>it's a server
>>712735381True, but Hitman thrives in open ended sandboxes. Itโs what sets it apart from a lot of other stealth action games. Metal Gear, Splinter Cell and Tenchu are much better games for โsemi-linear stealth action games with some forced setpieces/bosses mixed inโ.
On its own merits, Absolution is a serviceable stealth TPS, but as a Hitman game, itโs god awful.
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>>712698943 (OP)Wish we had more grind house stylized games
this, kane & lynch and manhunt are the only ones that come to mind.
>>712738871>reading comprehension
>>712738860>official servers go down>can't play gaem anymore regardlesswhat what a great preservation effort by retarded people
>>712738932>no need for an internet server>this shit makes your PC the internet servergay and stupid
>can't use it without connecting to official internet serverswhich makes it entirely pointless
>>712739036also
>requires Steam-slop or EGSlmao
"preservation"
preserve this
>>712739036you can with a pirated copy of the game, there is a workaround that makes peacock fully offline
the reason why peacock guys didn't officially remove the steam/epic authentification is because it's ownership proof, and without it it could be considered full blown piracy, so i'd rather they keep on developing peacock and ironing out the kinks, and disregard whiny pirate faggots such as yourself altogether
>>712739210>"preserve THIS">grabs dick
>>712739243>ownership proof>Steam???
you don't own anything when you give Valve any money.
the worst thing about WOA is that Diana never shuts up, every time you see a target she gives you useless information you already know, and when you kill a target she congratulates you, It's so annoying
thank god for the silent handler mods
>>712739431I donโt know why it isnโt a togglable setting.
The worst thing is that it wonโt play it every time, but it WILL play if you donโt play a level for a while and then come back to it.
>>712719604>Hendrik Schmutz>Nazitop notch writing right here
>>712739612Making him a white supremacist did seem like a weird choice.
Itโs like they realised that the client just wants him dead because heโs selling DNA samples, so they added that little detail to make players feel better about killing him.
>>712739243>just steal it>and then ram pea-cock into your anusit literally says you need to connect to official servers, is that a lie?
>>712739431it's a "game" made for children.
it's basically Mario Odyss, but with a bald 45 year old ugly male, instead of a cool Italian cook.
>wow, you really did that? I'm so proud of you, you fucking retard>here's another moon
>>712739431>silent handler modsinstalling rn, how did i not know about this sooner
thanks anon
>>712740373>give money out for clusterfuck>fix the clusterfuck yourselfwhy?
>>712740439>hey, wow a dog turd>is this really a dog turd>oh yikes, it smells like shit>wait a moment>yeah, let's buy the dog turd from the owner>we can sprinkle sugar on it, as well as smarties>oh wow, the dog turd looks way better now>it stills smells but wait let me taste it>wow, so good>yeah, so glad that I gave that dog owner $80+ tip for this
>>712740248>reading comprehensionlast (You) you are getting from me, tech illiterate faggot
>>712740624t. illiterate pajeet
Don't try to use Peacock if it's literally your first time playing the game. You need to connect to the official servers at least once before you can connect to Peacock. After you've connected to official servers at least once
>but this is about preservation>you can totally run it fine afterwards AFTER YOU CONNECT TO OFFICIAL SERVERS ONCE>perservationwhoever made this is retarded
>>712740753yes and like i told you, there is a workaround if you're using a pirated copy of the game
not my fault you don't know how to read.
>>712740847>you can hack the hack>and the devs lied>trust lying devs
>>712740923Man shut the fuck up
>>712740970>I ran random programs off the internet, that literally who made>I trust random people that I run their shit code on my computer>it's about preservation>they call their server something-cock>sounds legit>and they lie>sounds legit too>and they pretend to not support thieves>but they do>sounds legit too>preservationobsessed
>>712741058What a miserable and pathetic whiny faggot you are
>>712740970>hey if you continue running windows 7 that's very very very bad for securityat the same time
>hey, download these files and run them>yeah, I have no clue who made them but they are liars on top, totally trustworthy>no, no, this is not a security problem at all
>>712741152>no argumentsI accept your concession, cock-lover.
>>712741186>they just make your computer be an internet server>security-wise that's 100% le safe
>>712741249a retarded (pea)cock-lover
>>712740585>>712740753>>712740923>>712741058>>712741186>>712741259Oh hey, it's the schizo retard who spent a whole ass sunday shitting up a hitman thread
Say something nice to him!
>>712741383>don't say anything about my nu-Hutman walking simulator>in this thread calling out nu-Hutman as a shit Absolution cloneIf you like Absolution, you belong in a mental asylum.
>>712741480Keep on rambling, schizo faggot
I still ain't reading any of that drivel
>>712741578>likes cock>likes a gay sponge with his gay friendyikes
>>712741480pee pee poo poo lemme axe u a sirius kweshun: what exactly would have been better than woa? what changes to the gameplay and formula would have made you, a die hard blood money aficionado, a happy little camper? or are you the typa of nigga who just wants to complain for the sake of it?
>>712741750the nu-Hutman enjoyer shows the high IQ of nu-Hutman players