Thread 712701524

My fav is V.
Sure its not the best story in ff universe.
But my god is the class variety fun af.
Blue mage owns
Music is great
Characters are likable
Awesome moments
Funny gilgamesh bits

What about you /v/?

Memorable mentions are lightning returns the job system is cool. Ffx-2 again the dress sphere system is kino af and cute girls.

X was aight but gameplay was stale. I also love ff12.

>>712701524 (OP)
Just played FFXVI for the first time and I'm fucking pissed and sad.
How do you have this level of production, polish, good art, great soundtrack, fun combat, and still manage to churn out this linear, braindead, movieslop garbage?
No real gear progression. No builds. No exploration. No choice. Just hallways, cutscenes, and quicktime event boss fights.
Total waste of potential.
I genuinely hope Naoki Yoshida and every other hack behind this lose their jobs and never touch another RPG again. Fuckers turned what could’ve been GOTY into a fucking cutscene simulator.
Lazy pieces of shit. Linear design in RPGs should be a crime in 2025.

>>712701524 (OP)
I'm this anon >>712701717
My favorites are Tactics > XII > 5 > 3
Ivalice is a criminally underused setting.

>>712701717
This. The demo killed it for me. I was guna buy bu the demo.literally had cutscene, hold forward for 5 seconds, 5 min cutscene again....

>>712701717
FFXVI biggest flaw is Yoshidas misdirected cowardice, oh bro let's scale back on rpg elements because apparently nobody outside Japan likes it.
Is this nigger from some alternate dimension, where DMC and Ninja Gaiden are the most popular game in history...

>>712701524 (OP)
I've been playing them in order, this is my current rating. I just finished 7 yesterday.

>>712702931
Hope this clown’s eating his words after how hard Expedition 33 proved him wrong.
>>712703527
Solid list. I'm glad V is finally getting more recognition these days.

>>712701524 (OP)
Oh hey that reminds me four job fiesta is still ongoing.

>>712703527
>II above III
gay list

>>712703779
I need to finish my run but I'm not sure how to tackle neo-exdeath with my party of knight,red mage, geomancer, bard.

>>712703842
At least it's not the standard 'muh VII, VI, X" cattle faggery

>>712701524 (OP)
IX is my favorite, I love the whimsical story, the rewarding sidequests, the fact that every party member has a defined role in combat and that no two characters feel the same. It has a few flaws (trance, slow ATB speed even hasted), but they don't diminish how I feel about the overall package.

>>712703527
Very nice

>>712703972
>bard
>BARD
My brother in christ you have the most cracked support class with two classes that can use swords. Power up with Heros Rime and Swift Song in the Exdeath phase.

>>712703972
Remove bard and geo for samurai and ninja

for me it's FFT

>>712704483
I know that bard is busted but I wasn't able to nuke down the almagest part before it wrecked me.

>>712703987
Finally someone else who thinks this.

>>712701717
>Yoshida
>No real gear progression. No builds. No exploration. No choice. Just hallways, cutscenes, and quicktime event boss fights.
>turned what could’ve been GOTY into a fucking cutscene simulator.
sounds about right

>>712701524 (OP)
My favorite is FF1 for GBA. Removes the wonky early installment mechanics and makes it a proper Final Fantasy and the new 16-bit sprites are lovingly crafted, and really everything good about FF is in that first game in its rawest, most pure form. Like Demon Souls.
FF4 also has a huge spot in my heart, great characters. Big part of my childhood.
FF7 was a big part of my puberty. Aeris and Tifa were almost as big for me as Rei and Asuka.

>>712704645
PS1 Origins FF1 is better. The GBA version has the newer MP system which makes it far easier.

>>712701524 (OP)
Im currently playing through the pixel remaster bundle, just finished 1-3, started 4 today and completely forgot this is when they introduced the new battle system.

8 was my first and favorite, 5 is up there as well.
I really wish they would bring back the over world in a 3d mainline game. 7,8 and 9s over world were so good.

>>712704507
which LLM? This looks perfect

>>712701717
You are talking about the same dude who is afraid to kill characters in 14 because it hurts people emotionally.

>>712703527
Absolutely based and I agree. VI is mid anf III is worse than II

>>712705031
local, do you have it set up?

>>712704526
Put shell on everyone with redmage

>>712703527
>II not in it's own tier of shit
Holy fuck, die.

>>712703527
>FFI respectably place
>III below II
Impeccably based

>>712701524 (OP)
despite trying a handful I still havent finished a FF game, the old ones filter me with basic combat and random encounters. I got real close to the end with X but I screw myself by being underleveled cause I was a retard and just cheese bosses with summons and skipped mobs until that stopped working.

FFXII is probably the best iteration of making turn based combat real-time, but also just becomes a grind. Ill finish it someday though.

FFXIV has some really great moments but also a lot of chaff from the mmo aspect ( and ironically the story gets in the way of the mmo bits)

Right now im playing XIII which feels oddly regressive gameplay wise to XII, like it would have made more sense if their release times were swapped. But I love the style and character designs

>>712704483
Took him down.

>>712701524 (OP)
I need to give X-2 another shot someday. It's the only one I never beat because the story annoyed me so much

>>712705607
what youtuber gave you this opinion

>>712705595
Shell is lvl4 magic red mage can't cast that.

>>712705902
I made my own opinion having played this entire series, you fucking shit.

>>712701717
>fun combat
I fucking wish. The rest is right on the money.

My fav is Tactics, also one of my favorite games of all time.

I played the American super Nintendo version of FF4, great characters, classic game, great soundtrack. only problem is I set down my game for like 1 year and the when I got back to it I couldn't figure out what I was doing or how to progress. but that was with the mobile 3D remake. which was ok.

6 has an amazing soundtrack. I love that game.

I've actually never played the newer final fantasies, anything after 12 I just lost interest in the franchise and the way it became all about looking like you're playing a movie. I miss turn based sprite games.

Octopath kinda reminds me of FF6, but newer. Anybody else?

>>712706091
13-2 is underrated

>>712706068
well at least it the barebones combat in the demo was
but I guess that's all there is right? lmao

>>712706104
It's a fun romp that rectifys mamy of XIII original's design choices. But it's also lacking in that the monster party members are largely superficial and you don't really have to engage with that system at all. And the story is even more bonkers but I guess that comes with the time travel territory.

>>712701717
I don't get how they don't use the FF7 remake battle system and let you have a party

>>712706449
I honestly don't think it would have made that much of a difference
a party system + a open world would've

>>712705894
You can't get the X-2 experience without your dad walking in and asking if you're winning every 20 minutes

>>712706498
It's not the only problem certainly but It really still just stands out as weird for me. The system was there and its like they went out of the way to just be as dull as possible.

>>712706604
I had my dad walk in while XII was playing itself and he judged me for that, does that count?

>>712706104
It's the least-shit XIII game but it is still shit

>>712701524 (OP)
God tier: 6, 7, Tactics
Good tier: 1, 4
Okay tier: 5, 9
Shit tier: 8, 10
Haven't played it tier (basically same as shit tier because if it was good then I'd have played it): everything else

6 is mine, and I like 8 more than 7 (and for the record I do consider 7 one of the best RPGs ever made) but objectively speaking I think 6 and 7 were both so revolutionary for their respective platforms that people will tend to prefer whichever of the two they played first.
That's why I don't get involved in retarded 6 vs 7 online arguments. I think 7 is a perfectly valid choice. I just prefer 6.

>>712706940
>That's why I don't get involved in retarded 6 vs 7 online arguments.
I haven't seen that argument in like, god 15 years, now.

>>712706990
I saw it like a week ago on /v/, and from the sound of it most of the people involved didn't play either

I like VI and XII the most.

>>712706091
you excited for nuTactics? I enjoyed the TO remake so much that I am fairly hyped. With Matsuno consulting, I don't think any of the additions will be awful.

>>712706940
Somehow I couldn't get into 6 that much. Possibly because I'm European so 7 was the first FF that got an official release over here.

I really need to play 6. I call it my favorite and it still stands vividly in my mind but it's been a while since I really sat down and played any of them through.

>>712707172
Part of what makes 6 so classic (and how big of a part is up to debate) is how much it pushed the bar on things like graphics (especially the mode 7 shit), sound, characters, and the rather dark plot especially when you consider the other SNES offerings of the time.
If you backtrack after playing some of the PS1 games that were also big leaps, it's not so impressive by those standards anymore.
The game absolutely holds its own, but that is a factor regardless.

>>712707323
Man the advertising for US 3 was something else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d15qmRzn2Pc

>>712702931
I'm glad Sandfall isn't based in Japan because it feels like Square wouldn't hesitate to pull off a Nintendo for being publically humiliated.
>>712702931
Sure feels like it. Worse yet, it feels like he geniuine believes in "le gamer skill" meme and thinks only action games are real games.
>>712706449
For the same reason initial XV was at it is. The initial design was fully centered around Noctis after which they required ton of DLC to make other characters work. Even then it was too little, too late and felt like a tack-on.

>>712707323
I think 7's graphics get a bit too much flak. They were obviously going for a 3D model of their 2D sprites kind of style. Yeah the overworld sprites are a bit iffy at least by today's standards but the backgrounds and battle models look fine.

>>712706104
>>712706352
13-2 is trivially easy. There's not a single hard fight.

>>712707086
NTA but I also LOVED TO and am hyped for FFT
I suspect maybe I even end liking TO more due to better replay
I hope it sells well and we see more tactics/ivalice fames in the future

A lot of it boils down to presentation but despite being technically smaller in most regards 6 somehow still feels like it's bigger than most of the newer games. It wasn't that it was subtle by any means but a lot of it, especially in the world of ruin kind of gave the sense that it wanted you to find things for yourself and if you didn't than that's your loss. Newer games constantly go out of the way to explain and make sure you don't miss any detail that it just comes off as constantly noisy. 6 just had you drop into the new post apocalypse and said go. If this was a modern game it would be flooded with quest markers and journal entries. Old games just lead its world speak for itself. We mentioned it another thread the other day but when comparing 7 to it's remakes it's just so much added fanfare and spectacle.

>>712707546
The funny part is I was in junior high when that shit game out. All everyone could talk about is those graphics and cutscenes. I don't think people playing it now realize how new that was at the time.

>>712707086
cont.
I'm kinda disappointed though, because I was expecting a remastered soundtrack aswell

>>712701524 (OP)
>blue mage is cool af as a concept
>all their spells are jank af meme shit
>they do basically nothing unless you have an in-depth knowledge of underlying game mechanics and know how to abuse behind-the-scenes data
>if you know how to exploit shit they're broken af
>if you don't they're basically dog shit and anything fun will "miss" on every enemy
Such a wasted fucking design

It honestly makes me sad that as soon as graphics got good enough to actually showcase a games art style, the actual art of the games got much worse. I would LOVE to see an actual modern game that show cases Amano's style and not this faux pseudo real pseudo anime k-pop looking garbage.

>>712707901
>, the actual art of the games got much worse
You also have the FF7 Remake scenario where everything from the original looks good and the directionless shit from the Expanded universe sticks out like a sore thumb.

>>712701524 (OP)
I've played 4, 5, 14, and some of 1. Can someone here blue(mage)pill me on the class? I constantly see people talk about how much they love the class across the games, but it seems like you always need a guide open to use it to any degree of effectiveness. NEEDING to constantly have the class around or use its passive in one of the job systems games (like 5) felt antithetical to the entire point of the game. Like I'm meant to mix and match classes, but unless I'm grinding and/or have gameFAQs there's one class I can't swap around because I might maybe fight an enemy that maybe has an ability it could learn. God forbid that enemy actually uses the ability on the blue mage instead of on every other fucking party member.

Weirdly enough, I don't feel the same about summoners and bards, even though they have actual missable abilities and require you to do a bunch of obscure side stuff to make them usable instead of literally useless. I actually love those jobs.

Anyway it has fun spells, but the grind of getting them peeved me off. For me, it's the humble red mage, the best of all worlds.

>>712707970
Example original FF7 helicopter

>>712708207
Nu helicopter, oh look its just a black hawk.
Thanks Advent Children & Crisis Core

I'll just say that while Xenogears is my favorite RPG and will likely never be dethroned due to my love for complex stories and robots, I am sure glad it was rejected as FF7 and we got both games how they ended up.

>>712708207
>>712708260
God when you see them side by side like that it's depressing

>>712707901
The Amano art gallery is possibly the best thing about the pixel remasters.

>>712705894
Oh story os dogshit but the combat system carries it for.me so much so ive replayed it over 4 times lol

>>712708207
>>712708260
damn everyone just stopped having an imagination after 5th gen

>>712707323
It probably was a bigger deal in a then contemporary reference frame (which I lack)

>>712708086
U run 4 blue mages and never change its called a blue mage run. You cant have both. U either mix and match or go full in on bluemage

>>712708419
I agree

>>712708086
Yeah FF5 is like that. FF5 specifically becomes extremely easy when you know the weaknesses of bosses. Like Odin dies to one petrify, Omega Weapon can be permastunned by Bard. You can throw rods which cost 750 each to kill the first half of bosses in 2-3hits. Every boss has a weakness to trivialize them.

>>712708791
You still need some pretty good execution for Omega at least since the stop time is very short for him.

>>712707901
Amano's art looks good as a still image where you can take your time to pay attention to each detail. Amano's art would not work if each and every detail was moving in 3d space.

>>712709287
it looks fine in motion

>>712709379
I was just thinking that lmao

>>712708859
Not really since you can just run 3 bards to chain the stops.

>>712708086
Blue Mages are usually the best support class simply because of Mighty Guard and White Wind alone. It also helps both of these spells can be acquired reratively early in FF7, 8 and 9.

>>712708207
>1 bladed tail rotor
that shit would rip itself apart without a counterweight wtf

>>712710205
it uses MAKO okay

>>712709379
In contolled short bursts maybe. A 3¬4 hour gaming session would be a suicide attempt.

>>712708791
I had to look up the Omega vulnerability to stop because he kept kicking my fucking ass. I half stumbled upon it because I was running bard anyway, but I only used stop like once before trying to swift song my team. The other optional end dungeon boss (The dragon whose name I've forgotten) was piss easy in comparison.

>>712709379
Just saw this. Boring af but looked great