Why is cheating a big deal?

>>712703143 (OP)
because it gets people to watch shitty clickbait youtube videos.

>>712703143 (OP)
Dream looks average. Did people really simp for this guy?

it isn't, except in competitive play.
claiming to be the world's best player and claiming world record high scores while cheating is a bit gauche, to say the least.

>>712703143 (OP)
>finally gets dragged in front of a judge
>Karl has the one chance to prove beyond a doubt that he cheated
>it would even help his defamation case since his defence rests on Billys reputation being so shitty it can't be ruined any further
>doesn't even try it
Says more about the allegations then everything else.

>>712703143 (OP)
i thought the minecraft thing was a genuine accident

>>712703143 (OP)
Dream got away with it because his fan base are young enough to easily convince themselves he did t actually cheat, they will believe any excuse rather than accept the loss of a hero.

>>712703143 (OP)
because only jews do it.

Why does Karl act like exposing Billy is a necessary public service as if anyone cares

>>712703143 (OP)
>mentally ill people targets you for 40 years
Learn English. You're not smart enough to be making arguments.

>>712703691
That was absolutely not what the lawsuit was about. Karl put the blame for a certain person's suicide squarely on Billy when Karl himself had plenty to do with it since he accused Apollo Legend of stealing money. I vaguely remember the details to this, like apparently some kind of jailbait flirting happened, but it was just erased. I think because Karl wasn't the only one to accuse Apollo.

>>712703998
He got too cocky after making so much money exposing zoomer speedrunners who can't fight back.

i should start making youtube content for children
what should i focus on

>>712703998
Love and hate are two sides of the same coin

>>712704226
I know what the lawsuit was about, that Karl accused Billy to be the cause for Apollos suicide by forcing him to pay a settlement. What I mean is that this was the first time Billy was brought to trial and Karl could've used the cheating allegations to prove beyond a doubt that Billy cheated in order to show that he's a liar and cheater which is what his defence was all about.

Dishonesty is immoral

>>712703143 (OP)
Billy didn't cheat.

>>712703143 (OP)
In this house Billy is an American hero.

>>712703143 (OP)
Dream at least somewhat admitted to cheating. He pussied out to owning up fully, but he did concede that the runs were invalid.

Billy did shit like fake the setups of direct feed capture and board swappings to try to get himself more legitimacy, and admitted that the tapes have evidence of cheating but his defense argued that someone obviously edited that in, without being willing to offer his original tapes because he totally doesn't have them despite being a known archivist. He will never admit that the scores are invalid--which at least Dream did--especially since he has financial incentive to keep up the image of being one of the best.

>>712703785
lol. lmao.

>>712703143 (OP)
It isn't if you're not lying about it for money or clout.

>>712703143 (OP)
dream's minecraft manhunt videos were at least entertaining
billy has never contributed anything to the world

pfftttttttttttttttt ahahaahaha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5Vo3OIqqJY

>>712704607
Hasn't Billy replicated his scores legitimately?

>>712703691
>>712704226
>>712704412
https://www.queenslandjudgments.com.au/caselaw/qdc/2025/41/pdf
No need to talk shit when all the sauce is right there

>>712704607
Dream refused to admit he was cheating and hired a pseudo-mathematician so he could look legitimate. He had to confess because of many autistic people analyzing his probability.

>>712704412
Billy's legal team successfully argued to the judge that the legitimacy of Billy's records was outside the scope of the case before the trial even started, so Karl's legal team only brought it up when highlighting Billy's character. Billy's team even brought that up again on the first day of the trial. The judge's final write up on the case mentions that he concluded Billy was a cheater, but it has fuck all to do with the case, since Karl's allegation that Billy hounded Apollo to suicide is the entire reason Karl got sued.

The fact of the matter was that everybody who gives a fuck about Karl, Billy or Donkey Kong scores already knows Billy was a cheater.

From the judge's write up on the case, it's pretty clear that Karl lost the case because he failed to put his apology to Billy in its own video. Not only did he lose, but the judge put the boot to him for being so smarmy about taking Bill to the cleaners in the lead up to the trial.

>>712703584
>Did people really simp for this guy?
People simp for Asmongold... something about numberwhoring.
>>712704607
>Dream at least somewhat admitted to cheating.
No admission was needed.
His run being legit was like a 1-in-ten quadrillion chance and he would run these back-to-back-to-back.
Basically - if you're retarded and seven years old - anything is possible and there's an eceleb for you.

Speedrunning is gay.
Slowrunning, now that's where it's at.

>>712704412
that's what his defense was about, but it doesn't matter. he wasn't in court to defend the accusation of cheating. read slower so it sticks

>>712705118
I found it

https://archive.org/details/critique-of-dream-investigation-results

>>712703143 (OP)
Reminder that Dream broke down and cried like a bitch because pic related called him a fag.

Do Billy cheat?
It's possible....it would be more convincing if he was an absolute retard at playing video games but he has proven he has some skill during his live play demos.

>>712705150
>The judge's final write up on the case mentions that he concluded Billy was a cheater
That alone is completely wrong, and throws the legitimacy of your post to the shitter. The judge specifically said that he wasn't required, nor did he assess whether Billy cheated or not.

Jobst lost

>>712705347
[395] I have also found that the first and second contextual imputations, that Mr Mitchell
had been publicly exposed as a cheater and had been banned from submitting scores
to Twin Galaxies, were made in Mr Jobst’s video and are substantially true. I am
satisfied that a consequence of the truth of those imputations, together with evidence
of the defence witnesses and of the comments made since the video was published,
is that, when Mr Jobst published his videos, Mr Mitchell already had a reputation,
not only as a person who had been publicly exposed as a cheater, but also (if it is
different) as a person who had in fact cheated in order to obtain at least some of his
record scores, probably by using MAME software instead of original unmodified
arcade hardware. That was certainly his reputation after the Twin Galaxies decision
and, notwithstanding Mr Mitchell’s witnesses’ evidence to the effect that he
remained a popular attraction at video and arcade gaming events, his reputation in
that regard continued to exist at the time of Mr Jobst’s video

Note that, as the judge goes on to explain in the rest of the judgment, being a cheater or not has fucking nothing to do with what this case was about and was ultimately irrelevant to the main issue at hand.

>>712705309
Most speedrunner cheaters know how to play the game at a pro level. It's just that the very TOP of the leaderboard is very enticing and they convince themselves to cheat just a little to make up the difference and get up there.

>>712705056
post funny snippets

>>712705530
Karl proved that he's just as willing to lie to gain the moral high ground. Really him and Billy are the same

>>712705056

>>712703143 (OP)
Ni hao to you too

>>712703143 (OP)
It's not. If you aren't prepared to do everything it takes to claim victory, you deserve to lose.

>>712705056
billy is a 4channer

>>712703143 (OP)
you forgot to include the biggest cheater Chibi. Also find it funny twin galaxies no longer counts as a legitimate reference site anymore, and dream has probably been wiped from speedrunsdotcom. at the end of the day I doubt anyone cares but they'll die lying to themselves

Still no verifiable proof that billy cheated, and if he did, he's beaten it on verifiable non-cheating boards since, so who the fuck cares?
The issue is not that he's a cheater anyway, it's that people are hung up on an old deprecated score that MAYBE displays loading patterns like a MAME client does, which still doesn't prove cheating, just that it's being emulated. And even THEN, it's fucking filmed from a camera through a camera on a fucking VHS tape, who gives a flying shit.
He won the title when people were paying attention to it, no one has cared about DK for the better part of 20 years,because the score was damn near the theoretical max, just like with pacman.

>>712705056
karl jobst BTFO'd

>>712704952
Billy's scored over a million a few times since, but he's never replicated his scores exactly. Of course, these 'replicated' runs were with years more experience with Donkey Kong than his cheated runs, and both his cheated and 'replicated' runs are nowhere close to the current high scores. His 'replicated' runs also took much longer to get to the scores he was aiming for. That in and of itself adds legitimacy to Billy being a cheater since he clearly plays less risky during live play, compared to how he plays when abusing emulator features.

Whether he replicates his scores or not, it has no fuck all to do with the cheating allegations. The allegations are that he cheated on those specific runs, not that he could never score over a million eventually.

>>712705504
That quote is in relation to his reputation as a cheater already being established pre slander by Jobst, the judge never said that Billy cheated. In fact, here's the judge saying the opposite
>I was not required to decide, nor did I decide, whether Mr Mitchell had in fact cheated in getting any of his world record scores
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAKe52zgTBk&t=949

>>712704952
Indeed. The question isn't whether he's that good or not. That is a fact. It's just a question of whether he's a cheater in addition tot hat. Plenty of high skills and respected players still end up cheating, often precisely because they feel entitled to it because "fuck it, I'd achieve that anyways"

>>712705118
Yep, but he still ultimately did
>>712705161
No admission was needed for Billy either, that's why his scores were removed until he sued enough for them to be put into the historical archives that collect other known cheaters. It's just the fact that he continues to deny it without even enough evidence for a basic submission anyways, let alone to disprove cheating, that continues to get him criticized.

>>712705948
>official stance is undecided
>that means he decided he's the opposite of a cheater

I don't know why people even suck Billy's dick so much, he still tried to sue Cartoon Network because of an episode of Regular Show made fun of him. Karl is a fucking retard but Billy's just as pathetic for being such a sue happy cunt.

Say my name!

>>712706253
Billy Mitchell have embraced himself.

>>712706236
You're the one who said the judge called Bilky a cheater and doubled down on it, all I did was prove you wrong. Kys

>>712706296
No he hasn't.

>>712703143 (OP)
what's more is that this faggot jobst didn't even call dream a cheater, he said shit like "well these numbers are objectively impossible but we can't be sure, we don't know the whole picture, what if dream tripped and accidentally put a usb drive with a cheat in his pc? please don't throw accusations guys" while he dogpiled on other nonames for less

billy is on a vacation rn

>>712706296
lol didnt he get assblasted when they first showed this? talk about a hypocrite

>>712706253
That's exactly my thoughts because of the cartoon network thing. It's purely contrarian shit from /v/ to pretend he isn't a bitch for having a hissy fit over a parody. To the point of where he throws lawsuits over it. What they are defending is Billy on the grounds of is the Apollo Legend thing, saying it wasn't right for Karl to make such a serious accusation. Yet they ignore something that was less serious and Billy was just whining about.

Heh.

>>712706726
it's a hypocrite if it was the other way around. this is character development and going along with the joke

>>712703143 (OP)
>Why is cheating a big deal?
Billy didn't even cheat. The accusation is that Billy achieved his Donkey Kong record(s) playing on an emulator instead of on a real arcade cabinet with authentic hardware. The accusations persisted despite the fact that Billy has proven several times that he can actually hit the killscreen in Donkey Kong, and he did so at numerous independent venues over the past years.

The entire premise is so fucking retarded that I am not surprised that most people are siding with Billy instead of the autists that have been relentlessly attacking him for years, while shitting all over his integrity. The mental illness epidemic is real.

Karl Jobst was raped in the sweltering summer of '25.

>>712703143 (OP)
trannies dont care about cheating. they targeted billy because hes a white straight male

>>712703143 (OP)
TOTAL BILLY VICTORY

>>712703143 (OP)
Cheaters are pathetic. I had a friend on my list for years, and we got along really well. But then one day I found out that he was a cheater.

>Bang, zoom, straight to the moon (removed from friends list immediately).

No pathetic cheaters who don't meet the minimum IQ requirement for the vidya hobby on my list!

>>712703584
Funny you say that, because his fans first started to turn on him explicitly because he was ugly instead of being teenage girl's wet dream heh material.

>>712703143 (OP)
Every single competitive game, speedrunning included is effectively pointless.
There is no prestige truly gained from being the best at something that females and older populations despise.
The only objective benefit is your mind being pushed into scenarios it must innovate its way out of.
Cheating completely fucks this up. As someone who has to face a cheater, every single negative emotion that can be experienced is set off in your mind automatically.
As someone who has to carry a person that paid for their account and exists on your team, the experience is even further ruined for you.
Inflicting this on other people without even a good reason(I.E, survival, career furthering) qualifies you as one of the worst examples of humanity.

>>712703998
The actual answer aside from assuming he's just schizo, is that it gives him a long-running series to run on his channel. With most videos he does on cheaters, he'll get one, maybe two, rarely 3 videos at best, but with Billy he can keep it going for basically as long as he wants, nitpicking and nabbing minor details while mostly seeming like the hero so long as he keeps posing Billy as a cartoon villain.

Simply put, Karl found a cash cow and milked it so hard he's facing animal abuse charges.

KARL LOST

>>712703143 (OP)
You underestimate how schizo people are for Dream

>>712704292
roblox

>>712710347
catboy is absolutely a psychopath.

>>712712992
silly bitchell

>>712703143 (OP)
That's what I told my wife but the bitch still took the kids.

>>712703143 (OP)
Pretty funny how all the so called evidence regarding Billy has already been debunked years ago, but somehow he mindbroke some nerds so hard they just cannot let go.
>muh 8-way red joystick
Doesn't matter whatsoever as the restrictor plate will only allow 4-way movement.
>muh girder finger pixels
That version of MAME wasn't even out at the time.

I do wonder if it's really retrobitch making her simps to do her bidding just because Billy rejected her that one time.

>>712712992
kek

>>712711949
>ugly
>he's a high tier normie that's slightly overweight

If he's ugly then the average guy is FUCKED. He's 6.5/10 and pretty photogenic for being fat. If he was skinny he'd be chad lite. Clear skin, full head of hair, nice teeth and he's white male.

Let's be real 8/10 in most of the world, but 6.5 in america.

>>712714278
>I am just like him
LMAO

>>712703143 (OP)
well the difference is, one is a jew and the other is a goy.

>>712715178
The average guy isn't propped up faceless in front of millions of hormonal teenage girls daily, he was, and that means that those teenage girls developed overly unheathy attachments to him and assumed he was their perfect Adonis. That said, his wack ass chin makes his face look a bit weird, so at best he's a 7 even outside of the US.