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Anonymous No.712722368 [Report] >>712722536 >>712722814 >>712722869 >>712723023 >>712723049 >>712723104 >>712723528 >>712724032 >>712724114 >>712724238 >>712724570 >>712725419 >>712725582 >>712726146 >>712726178 >>712727435 >>712727552
>Game's puzzles make no logical sense
Anonymous No.712722532 [Report] >>712722857
It makes sense if you think about it.
Anonymous No.712722536 [Report] >>712722593 >>712722856
>>712722368 (OP)
>game has the three door and switch puzzle but the explanation pisses off the dev so he makes sure that the first pick is always the correct one
Anonymous No.712722593 [Report]
>>712722536
That would be fun, unfortunately never implemented by anyone
Anonymous No.712722814 [Report] >>712722857 >>712722889 >>712723104 >>712723169 >>712723852 >>712724639 >>712725676
>>712722368 (OP)
>100 doors, 1 goat
>you choose 1 at random (1% chance of being right)
>host opens 98 empty doors (he knows where the goat is)
>your door still has a 1% chance of having the goat
Simple as
Anonymous No.712722856 [Report]
>>712722536
In Zero Time Dilemma they do this puzzle with like, 20 doors, and you get different dialogue if you pick the correct one on the first go.
Anonymous No.712722857 [Report]
>>712722532
It also makes more and more sense when you start adding more does
>>712722814
Fuck beat me to it
Anonymous No.712722869 [Report] >>712722950
>>712722368 (OP)
>thing has been explained to death and is completely solved
>but there are still people who don't know about it
>so it gets an offtopic thread on /v/
cycle as old as OP's homosexuality
Anonymous No.712722889 [Report] >>712722979 >>712723170 >>712723464 >>712724856 >>712726512
>>712722814
nigger it's either behind your door or it isn't
it's 50-50
Anonymous No.712722950 [Report] >>712722998
>>712722869
Most people aren't well versed in discrete maths and probability theory. Why do you think casinos are a thing?
Anonymous No.712722979 [Report] >>712723014 >>712723053 >>712725316
>>712722889
Motherfucker by that logic everything is a 50-50 because everything either is or isn't

There's a 50-50 chance I'm gonna touch your dick while you're sleeping because I'm either gonna do it or I'm gonna not
Anonymous No.712722998 [Report] >>712723084 >>712723227 >>712727158
>>712722950
Yes and that justifies this shit being on /v/ - Videogames how exactly?
Anonymous No.712723014 [Report]
>>712722979
Unironically true
Anonymous No.712723023 [Report]
>>712722368 (OP)
let x be the number of doors.
>if you pick a door and stick with it, you have 1/x chance of succeeding. simple math
>when all but the doors are revealed (except for the one you picked and another one, either can be the correct door), if you switch, you have a 1/x chance of losing (the scenario in which you had picked the correct door from the get-go)
>however, at the beginning you had a 1/x chance of winning, which can be reinterpreted as a (x-1)/x chance of losing
>therefore by switching, you have a (x-1)/x chance of winning
Anonymous No.712723049 [Report] >>712723274 >>712723389 >>712725397 >>712726460
>>712722368 (OP)
Anonymous No.712723053 [Report]
>>712722979
It's 100% cuz you're a fag
Anonymous No.712723084 [Report] >>712723119 >>712723227 >>712724223
>>712722998
>/v/
>Talking about videogames
/v/ would talk about everything except vidya. You would know this, if you have been here for a long time.
Anonymous No.712723104 [Report] >>712724663
>>712722368 (OP)
>>712722814
>Host opens door to reveal nothing, offers to switch your chosen door
>Ask friend who wasn't in the room and has no prior knowledge of the performance what he'd pick
Now what?
Anonymous No.712723113 [Report] >>712723171 >>712723180 >>712723213 >>712723836 >>712724045
when you picked a door to begin with, you only had a 1/3 chance of being right
when the host reveals a goat, the other door is always a 1/2 chance of being right while the door you started with remains still a 1/3 chance of being right
that's as simply as this can be explained
Anonymous No.712723119 [Report]
>>712723084
That won't stop me from saying OP is a faggot, my dear ESL friend
Anonymous No.712723169 [Report] >>712723297 >>712723797
>>712722814
But you no longer have 100 options, you're only left with 2. The other 98 are irrelevant, no reason to factor them into the equation.
Anonymous No.712723170 [Report]
>>712722889
You are stupid as hell.
Anonymous No.712723171 [Report] >>712723350
>>712723113
no the door I picked now also has a 1/2 chance in being right because only two doors are left now
Anonymous No.712723180 [Report]
>>712723113
One half plus one third doesn't equal a whole, therefore the math is wrong.
Anonymous No.712723181 [Report]
The only funky thing with the three doors version is that 1/3 is still decently high odds if you stick with your choice. Mathematically switching is better odds, but you just never know.
Think that's what trips people up.
Anonymous No.712723213 [Report] >>712723356 >>712723420 >>712723618
>>712723113
Thus, it's better to switch doors. Based on the laws of probability?
Anonymous No.712723227 [Report]
>>712722998
>>712723084
it's a problem in mind hack dilemma
Anonymous No.712723274 [Report]
>>712723049
75%, dumb quedtion.
Explanation: When I picked a box, I picked one with gold balls inside it. Meaning I'm lucky. If I'm lucky I should be able to pick two gold balls
Anonymous No.712723297 [Report] >>712723642 >>712726664
>>712723169
That is why you would get the goat and not the car.
Anonymous No.712723350 [Report]
>>712723171
lol
Anonymous No.712723356 [Report] >>712723608
>>712723213
No both doors have a 1/2 chance now so might as well just stick with the one you picked
Anonymous No.712723389 [Report] >>712724164 >>712724541
>>712723049
66%?
>got box 1, gold ball #1
>got box 1, gold ball #2
>got box 2, gold ball #1
Anonymous No.712723418 [Report] >>712723482 >>712723524 >>712723953 >>712727374
God damn. Are anons really this fucking stupid or am I getting baited right now?
Anonymous No.712723420 [Report]
>>712723213
NTA but yeah, every experiment I saw proves that switching doors have better chances than sticking with your doors
Anonymous No.712723464 [Report]
>>712722889
gigaBASED free thinker dabbing on ''logic''troons
Anonymous No.712723481 [Report]
No wonder you fuckers are so at bad and hate Darkest Dungeon
Anonymous No.712723482 [Report]
>>712723418
Most on /v/ are third worlders so they are just that dumb.
Anonymous No.712723524 [Report] >>712723852 >>712723890 >>712726320
>>712723418
I have yet to see anyone prove me wrong over how the two doors left are not both 1/2 chance because you can just ignore the goat door now as if it doesnt exist
>but the maths says
Don't care, two doors, two choices, 50/50, 1/2, prove me wrong
Anonymous No.712723528 [Report] >>712723641
>>712722368 (OP)
The goat puzzle makes sense in the mathematical sense, problem is it's a game show with a host fucking with you so it's possible he only opens the goat door when you chose the car.
Anonymous No.712723564 [Report] >>712723652
i just want to know how to win the goat?
fuck the car. i have a nice car and 2 motorcycles. id like the goat please.
how does one achieve maximum goats in this scenario?
Anonymous No.712723608 [Report] >>712723684
>>712723356
I know you're hung up on this, but it's better to switch. I did discrete maths at uni and I had a discussion about this same problem with my teacher. And he initially thought that remaining with your original choice is fine because it wouldn't make a difference. Then when he conducted this experiment with his wife, he soon realized its better to switch. I forgot why though. Which really annoys me because it opened my mind. Anyway, I'm not calling you stupid. I understand why you think its 50/50.
Anonymous No.712723618 [Report]
>>712723213
Basically the idea is that your first pick was made at a time when you had a 33% chance of guessing right, but switching the second time has the 'strength' of a 50% shot.
Anonymous No.712723641 [Report]
>>712723528
The real problem is that 1/3 are still really good odds. Not switching in a real-world version is perfectly viable, even if not statistically supported.
Anonymous No.712723642 [Report]
>>712723297
If those 98 doors were deleted from existence the second the host opens them literally nothing about your thought process would change why are they relevant to the equation?
Anonymous No.712723652 [Report] >>712723787
>>712723564
Just pick the door the host opened up, nothing in the rules dictates you can't do that
Anonymous No.712723684 [Report] >>712723708
>>712723608
I don't think it's 50/50 I know it's 50/50 and no amount of hypothetical goats will change that
Anonymous No.712723708 [Report] >>712723861
>>712723684
Don't have kids
Anonymous No.712723730 [Report] >>712723872
>open door
>it's three goats
Anonymous No.712723787 [Report] >>712724135
>>712723652
but perhaps the other door has 2 goats?
then again it might have an unwanted car. dare i risk it all for an extra goat?
Anonymous No.712723797 [Report] >>712724351
>>712723169
>The other 98 are irrelevant
They are though
Anonymous No.712723804 [Report] >>712727659
>show a contestant two doors and tell him a car is behind one and he has to pick one door
>he does
>just before he confirms his final answer I reveal a mystery third door that is already open with a goat standing there
>due to the law of probability his chances have now dropped to 1/3 and I have a 1/2 of not having to give a car away
problem contestant?
Anonymous No.712723836 [Report]
>>712723113
The door the host picks isn't bound by probability at all because he knows where the goats are and will always reveal one. Look at it this way: you had a 2/3 chance of picking one of the two goats at first. Since the host will always reveals a goat as well, that only leaves the car behind the remaining door, which is what you're being asked if you want to switch. Of course, you could have gotten "lucky"; the other 1/3 chance is that you picked the car from the start anyway. It's not guaranteed that you picked a goat at first, just more likely since there's twice as many.
Anonymous No.712723852 [Report] >>712724002
>>712723524
It doesn't need a proof. When you first pick it has 1/3 chance.
Yes, after a door was opened both doors have 50/50 chance as an independent event but you have advantage of approaching this problem as not an independent event because of the old info.
If you're not trolling right and really wan to try to this with 10 pieces of paper >>712722814 You will quickly find out that switching is always preferable.
Anonymous No.712723861 [Report]
>>712723708
ah the classic probability weenie seething that he can't disprove it
Anonymous No.712723872 [Report]
>>712723730
Fuckin jackpot.
Anonymous No.712723890 [Report]
>>712723524
if you don't care what everyone else says how would anyone be capable of proving anything to you
Anonymous No.712723949 [Report] >>712724048
There are 100 doors. You pick door one and it has a 99% chance of having a goat.
He opens 98 other doors, revealing a goat behind all of them.
He will NEVER pick a door with the car and he'll NEVER pick your door.
So since Anons don't intuitively understand it how people are explaining, the odds of you picking the right door are 1% but for Monty he'll never pick the door with the car 100% of the time.
By picking the door you didn't pick you're betting your initial pick was wrong, which 99% of the time it is.
It is not 50/50, maybe in an ethereal sense.
Anonymous No.712723953 [Report]
>>712723418
For some reason three doors throws off a lot of people because the initial step of selecting a door before the host eliminates a door influences the probability of the final choice, and that's a logical leap if you only view it as a static 50/50 choice at the end. I think you'd have less people being retarded about it if you used something like ten doors as an example instead of three because more easily illustrates how switching improves your odds.
Anonymous No.712724002 [Report]
>>712723852
>Yes, after a door was opened both doors have 50/50 chance
thanks for agreeing with me
Anonymous No.712724032 [Report]
>>712722368 (OP)
>"Switch doors? No, thank you."
>"I trust my gut instinct."
Anonymous No.712724045 [Report] >>712724281
>>712723113
Let me try and explain it again, simple but thorough. This is from the perspective of someone who has no math skills, just someone who gets it. Once you get it, it will fully make sense too. It's NOT about how many doors are left to pick between, it's entirely about how slim your chance of being correct was in the first place and how much better the chance is afterwards.

You've probably been told before to imagine instead that there were 100 doors, with 99 goats and 1 prize. But let's go through this again becuase it really does help you understand it better. If you had to pick one of these 100 doors, you would only have a 1/100 chance of being correct. THAT'S what's important here, the first intitial choice and how bad the chance of this being correct is. Next, the host deletes 98 other doors, all of which contain goats, and leaves only one other door, and the host knows for sure there is either a prize behind your door or the other door he left. Now the chances of the prize being behind the door he left IS 1/2, but the chances of the prize behind your door REMAINS 1/100. It doesn't magically become 1/2 just because the host revealed which other doors had goats behind them. Really think about this.

Now imagine doing this with 50 doors. It's the same. The door you initially picked has only a 1/50 chance of being correct, the door he leaves after deleting 48 goat doors always has a 1/2 chance of being correct. Imagine this with 25 doors. The door you initially picked only has a 1/25 chance of being correct, the door he leaves has a 1/2 chance.

This works all the way down to 3 doors. The door you initially picked only had a 1/3 chance of being correct, but the door he leaves has a 1/2 chance of being correct. It's NOT about how many doors are left remaining, it's about how poor your chances were when you made your first choice.
Anonymous No.712724048 [Report]
>>712723949
Which means your odds of winning invert btw, so in 3 doors 2/3 and 100 99/100
Anonymous No.712724089 [Report] >>712724139
>but muh 100 doors, but muh 100 pages of paper, but muh maths teacher
sorry nerds we live in the real world and in the real world two choices mean it's a coin flip sorry the imaginary goat isn't here to also win the argument for you
Anonymous No.712724114 [Report]
>>712722368 (OP)
>Open door 1
>it's the car
>didn't even open other doors
>all the other doors had a car too
Anonymous No.712724135 [Report]
>>712723787
Bring a pile of hay, that oughto snuff them out
Anonymous No.712724139 [Report] >>712724185 >>712724258
>>712724089
>taking pride in ignorance
pride is a sin anon. learn to take a slice of humble pie
Anonymous No.712724143 [Report] >>712724218
JUST GIVE ME THE FUCKING GOAT MONTY! STOP FUCKIN WITH ME AND AWARD ME A GOAT!
Anonymous No.712724164 [Report]
>>712723389
I think this method only works if there are 2 balls in each box.
I made a whole ass formula in /sci/ once taking into account any number of boxes and any number of gold and silver balls in each one.
Anonymous No.712724185 [Report]
>>712724139
prove how two choices isn't 50/50
>well imagine you had 100 apples....
you know what never mind
Anonymous No.712724218 [Report] >>712724486
>>712724143

Sure. It's in this box here, but since it's not being observed...
Anonymous No.712724223 [Report]
>>712723084
/v/ is just retarded. Specially when it comes to scientific, philosophical or technical topics such as this one. Only topic /v/ is good for is porn. Unironically it’s better than the pink boards.
Anonymous No.712724238 [Report]
>>712722368 (OP)
If you are referring to picrel, you are an illiterate and a clown, too.
Anonymous No.712724247 [Report] >>712724316 >>712724353
In case anyone is actually curious by the way they have done videos of this literal experiment and it did turn out to be 50/50 if staying or changing would result in the door having an image of a car behind it, just saying.
Anonymous No.712724258 [Report]
>>712724139
He's just trolling dummy, people aren't that retarded here
Anonymous No.712724281 [Report] >>712724537
>>712724045
Why would only one door become 1/2 amd it not turn out to be two doors that are 1/100?
Anonymous No.712724295 [Report]
Anonymous No.712724316 [Report] >>712724347
>>712724247
Can you link a couple?
Anonymous No.712724332 [Report] >>712724414
Anonymous No.712724347 [Report]
>>712724316
I'll give you three links to youtube videos but one of them will be a goat
Anonymous No.712724351 [Report] >>712724475
>>712723797
How? If you deleted them from existence the "puzzle" wouldn't change
Anonymous No.712724353 [Report]
>>712724247
Who's they and why does their video matter more than the hundreds of other tests showing switching is the right choice btw
Anonymous No.712724414 [Report] >>712725251
>>712724332
This ignores the fact that the door with the car has already been predetermined ahead of the experiment by the host
Anonymous No.712724457 [Report]
This thread is proof that gambling business will always be profitable
Anonymous No.712724475 [Report] >>712724534 >>712724865 >>712727086
>>712724351
If someone had 100 apples in front of you and told you 99 were poisoned after you took one to grab and removed 98 of the ones left would you switch or not. Do you think they specifically chose the one that was left (happens 99% of the time) or it was random (only happens if you pick the non poison apple yourself)
Would you switch
Anonymous No.712724486 [Report]
>>712724218
Im about to commit violence on Monty Hall because he wont give me a goat.
>'Look here you dime store Bob Barker, I came for a fucking goat and im leaving with a fucking goat!"
Anonymous No.712724534 [Report] >>712724557
>>712724475
Why the fuck would I take a poisoned apple? Nigga you dumb?
Anonymous No.712724537 [Report] >>712724675
>>712724281
Because the host knows which door has the prize, and after you make your choice, it's his job to elimate every single door from except for two, making sure one of them has the prize behind it. Chances are very very high that you picked a goat, so the other door he chooses to leave is probably the prize. But if in a 1/00 chance you actually picked the prize, then one of the other doors he leaves is just one of the 99 goats.

I was wrong by the way, everything I said was right but the probabilities of the other door actually having the prize are even higher than I said because as I said I'm not a math guy. In the 100 door example, your initial picks chance of being the prize is 1/100, but the other doors chance of being correct that the host leaves is way way way way higher than 1/2, it's actually 99/100. Same for the 50 door example, the other door's chance isn't 1/2 it's actually 49/50, all the way to the 3 door example, where the chance of other door being correct is 2/3.
Anonymous No.712724541 [Report]
>>712723389
right
Anonymous No.712724557 [Report]
>>712724534
She'll rape you if you don't
Anonymous No.712724570 [Report] >>712724673
>>712722368 (OP)
An easier way to visualize this is to use the concept that all probablities must sum to 1. For instance, say that the probability of rain is 60% and the probably of it not raining is 40%. 0.6+0.4=1. For the Monty door problem the first door has a 1/3 chance of course. In fact each door has that initially. But when you open a door then the probability of the car being behind the opened door is now 0. But the probabilities still have to sum to 1 so the other door will have to have a 2/3 chance. You can use software to simulate this and exaggerate it too. Like have 1000 doors and open up most of them.
Anonymous No.712724639 [Report]
>>712722814
forget 100, ramp it up to a billion trillion.
Anonymous No.712724648 [Report]
You guys doing that thing again where you forget that accounting for the car being predetermined behind a door before you make a choice affects the outcome again?
Anonymous No.712724663 [Report]
>>712723104
There is a difference between picking fresh between two doors and CHANGING your first pick. Your first pick between 3 doors was more likely to be incorrect, so switching after the other wrong option is eliminated is optimal. Picking once between 2 doors without knowing about the first pick is a 50/50 obviously. Which is worse odds for you than switching after picking from 3.
Anonymous No.712724673 [Report]
>>712724570
Ok look at this guy. Comes in with a 1000 doors. Wow. 10 pieces of paper and 100 doors aren't enough. Beed big brains for them 1000 doors
Anonymous No.712724675 [Report] >>712724983 >>712725285
>>712724537
But if the equation changes then picking the "same" door would be a separate choice to the new equation.
Anonymous No.712724761 [Report] >>712724882 >>712724907 >>712725141 >>712725607 >>712726078 >>712726261 >>712726295 >>712726403 >>712726474
Wait until you find out that /v/ isn't even smart enough to answer this simple math question.
Anonymous No.712724856 [Report]
>>712722889
half of all posts on /v/ have dubs
Anonymous No.712724865 [Report]
>>712724475
The assumption is that it's random
>Well what if the host was trying to trick you?
Well what if God always intended for me to live? What if he's lying and none are poisoned? You're just a midwit, adding details until you're right
Anonymous No.712724882 [Report]
>>712724761
308, says the answer right there at the bottom
Anonymous No.712724907 [Report]
>>712724761
4+2=5+1
subtract 1 from both sides
4+1=5
subtract 4 from both sides
1=1
Anonymous No.712724908 [Report]
look if you guys argue about 1000 doors or whatever. just keep doing that while i grab a goat.
you guys are massive spergs and ill just claim my goaty prize while you argue about it
ive solved the problem. do i win a goat yet?
Anonymous No.712724915 [Report] >>712724987 >>712725663
>there are two tracks, you can pull a level to select which track the tram will go down
>one track has three doors, each door has either a goat or a car, with there being two goats and one car between them
>the other track has three boxes. they all contain goats, though due to not being currently observed, their current state is unknown
>there is also another person with their own level also doing this trolley problem
>there is a cash prize of 100,000 dollars, you can agree to split it by both picking the first track, or if one person picks the second track, they take the whole prize. If both pick the second track, nobody gets the cash prize
>this all takes place in the Stanford Prison

Which do you choose?

Keep in mind you can ask the two hosts for the correct answer, but one of them can only tell lies.
Anonymous No.712724983 [Report] >>712725092 >>712725236
>>712724675
The equation doesn't change, this is what people don't get. Nothing changes, you're just given more information and asked if you would like to switch based on this information. The equation only changes if the prize location is then scrambled between the remaining doors at random after the host reveals a goat, but it doesn't. Everything remains as it was.
Anonymous No.712724987 [Report]
>>712724915
What is my name?
Anonymous No.712725092 [Report]
>>712724983
>The equation only changes if the prize location is then scrambled between the remaining doors at random after the host reveals a goat, but it doesn't.
You hit the nail on the head.
Anonymous No.712725141 [Report]
>>712724761
Does this mean you should move one side to the other?
4 + 2 = 5 + 1
4 + 2 - 5 - 1 = 0
0 = 0
Anonymous No.712725195 [Report]
>Put the car behind door A before the contestant shows up
>He picks door B
>Once he does show him door C has the goat behind it
>This somehow makes his door have a 1/3 chance in losing despite the fact only two of the doors left have the car and he only has two choices left
Anonymous No.712725236 [Report]
>>712724983
I think this is just something I will have to be forever wrong on. I will switch doors, but I will always disagree.
Thanks I guess.
Anonymous No.712725251 [Report] >>712725332
>>712724414
it doesn't ignore it. the door you picked will never open. that's what causes the shift in probabilities
Anonymous No.712725285 [Report] >>712725952
>>712724675
The door that is opened to reveal a goat depends on the door that you have selected 2/3 of the time, because when you first select a door with a goat, the game host will not open that door to reveal that goat, but will instead open the other door that has another goat. Therefore, your first selection is statistically likely to affect the odds of the second selection.
Anonymous No.712725316 [Report]
>>712722979
The probability is 100%, gayboy.
Anonymous No.712725332 [Report] >>712725412
>>712725251
It will open because two doors are left and I'm sticking with the one I picked
Anonymous No.712725397 [Report]
>>712723049
50/50.
Anonymous No.712725412 [Report] >>712725438
>>712725332
Anon you retard
Anonymous No.712725419 [Report] >>712725532 >>712725774 >>712726079 >>712726467 >>712727612 >>712727946
>>712722368 (OP)
I have an iq of 127 (from a real test) and I just will never understand this. I know it works as I've seen proof, I'll just never understand why.
Anonymous No.712725438 [Report] >>712725554
>>712725412
Prove me wrong
Anonymous No.712725459 [Report]
Love these threads. At least I'm not as retarded as you guys. Thank you jesus.
Anonymous No.712725532 [Report]
>>712725419
Probabilities are a funny thing.
Anonymous No.712725554 [Report] >>712725618
>>712725438
You are too stupid to understand anything unfortunately
Anonymous No.712725582 [Report]
>>712722368 (OP)
I've seen multiple explanations about this, understand it perfectly and see the logic, but it still doesn't "feel" right. Am I just retarded?
Anonymous No.712725607 [Report] >>712725674 >>712725706 >>712725943 >>712726000
>>712724761
4+2 = 5+1
4 + 0 +2 = 5 + 0 + 1 [neutral element of addition]
4 + 2 + (1 - 1) = 5 + (1 - 1) + 1 [definition of neutral element: 0 = a + a for every a in real]
4 + (2 - 1) + 1 = (5 - 1) + 1 + 1 [apply commutative and associative properties]
4 + 1 + 1 = 4 + 1 + 1 [perform subtraction]
both sides show the exact operations and operands so it's done
Anonymous No.712725618 [Report] >>712725808
>>712725554
Ah so you don't know how to defend your point, don't worry anon I won't force you to
Anonymous No.712725663 [Report] >>712725816
>>712724915
>no pair of guards where one always lies and one always tells the truth
Ngmi
Anonymous No.712725674 [Report]
>>712725607
Glad to see someone on the board passed Geometry with higher than a C.
Anonymous No.712725676 [Report]
>>712722814
and this is the reason this ""example"" of probability is complete bullshit
it's about framing.
Anonymous No.712725706 [Report]
>>712725607
for the second step, forgot to add [that a = a + 0 = 0 + a for all a in real]
Anonymous No.712725738 [Report]
It's easier to think of the problem as playing cards, rather than goats and doors.
>There is a deck with an arbitrary number of cards (at least 3).
>There is a single winning card.
>You get to add one mystery card to your hand. The host meanwhile adds all the other cards in the deck to his hand.
Is it more likely the winning card exists in your or the host's hand?

In a typical Monty Hall problem the host's hand would have two cards, whereas you'd have one. The host's hand has a 2/3 chance of containing the winning card. Your hand has a 1/3 chance. The host's hand becomes more and more powerful the more cards you add into the original deck.
Anonymous No.712725774 [Report]
>>712725419
Because 3 doors for a 1/3 chance means that your odds are still pretty good and it's viable not to change. With 10 doors it becomes more understandable, same with 100.
With 100 doors, not switching means you're convinced you guessed the right door on the first try, out of a hundred doors presented to you.
Anonymous No.712725808 [Report] >>712725894 >>712726091
>>712725618
If you think that the car is behind door 1, and you're planning on selecting door 2 on your first try just in case and then switching to door 1, would you still switch to door 1 exactly as you planned when the presenter opens door 1 and reveals a goat?
Anonymous No.712725816 [Report] >>712725880
>>712725663
>not reading the whole post before tripping over to yourself to make a dismissive response
Anonymous No.712725820 [Report] >>712727050
Alright. instead of thinking of this problem in terms of goats, cars, and shady game show hosts, we should think about it in a way that makes more sense.

Okay, imagine you're in some fucking.... Zelda dungeon or something, I don't know. now, imagine you're in a checkerboard room, which is, let's say, 4x4, meaning it has 16 squares to work with. You're waltzing through, and all of a sudden, a trap: 14 of the tiles collapse into a bottomless pit, leaving only two tiles remaining.
Doesn't it seem like chance that those 14 tiles fell, and two of them didn't? Maybe you should start worrying why the only other tile there is still standing.

Okay, not the most airtight analogy, but you get the point.
Anonymous No.712725880 [Report]
>>712725816
>only the greentext matters
Anonymous No.712725894 [Report] >>712727042
>>712725808
That's not the rules of the game the host says pick a door, I pick a door, he shows one doesn't have the goat, two doors left, I stick with my door, simple as
Anonymous No.712725943 [Report]
>>712725607
>0 = a + a for every a in real]
i'm dumb. 0 = a - a for every a in real
Anonymous No.712725952 [Report]
>>712725285
But the host's goal is to not give me a car. Wouldn't he entice me to switch from the car?
Anonymous No.712726000 [Report]
>>712725607
>0 = a + a for every a in real]
i'm dumb. 0 = a + (-a) for every a in real
Anonymous No.712726078 [Report] >>712726368
>>712724761
honestly as an adult, I have no idea what the fuck these people want as a answer.
It's like I walk up to a person and ask them that they exist.
It's like, asking the most self evident shit possible and wanting some specific answer, it's all bullshit.
Anonymous No.712726079 [Report]
>>712725419
I have an IQ of 135, it's been tested, I claim it's a 50% chance to bully the nerds that dared bring up these retarded games to feel smart, all they feel is the cortisol after I break their balls to dust with my infinite patience.
Being a functioning sperg is great, until you start crossing psychopathic women that is.
Anonymous No.712726081 [Report] >>712726174 >>712726218 >>712726231 >>712726652
Okay, this is getting out of hand. How about we start over? This time with a simple question:

How would you feel if you didn't have any breakfast, today?
Anonymous No.712726091 [Report]
>>712725808
>Host reveals Door 1 has a goat
What now?
Anonymous No.712726146 [Report]
>>712722368 (OP)
It doesn't even matter if he opens the door before you switch or not. He's asking if you want the choice between one door or two (he'll open one of them for you).
Obviously the two have better chance of having the goat than one.
Anonymous No.712726174 [Report]
>>712726081
same as i do right now.
Anonymous No.712726178 [Report]
>>712722368 (OP)
The problem with this is that when you are given the new situation it switches to a 50/50 chance between two doors. This is all that matters to normal people.
Snooty statistics teachers still refer to the entire math problem regardless of changed context even though that doesn't matter anymore. All they care about is the numbers. They're the exact same kind of nerds who do those DPS videos for shooter games where the math is impractical and not always accurate to the situation.
Yes, your simulations that account for the goat'd door will work more if you switch. No that literally doesn't matter.
Anonymous No.712726218 [Report]
>>712726081
I think I would feel exactly as I feel right now because I didn't have breakfast today.
Anonymous No.712726231 [Report]
>>712726081
How about you tell me? I ate a salad
Anonymous No.712726261 [Report]
>>712724761
Add all numbers on both sides of the equation (4+2+5+1 = 12)
Subtract the left side of the equation from that total (12-4-2=6)
Subtract the right side of the equation from the original total (12-5-1=6)
Because the answer is 6 in both, each side of the equation must have an equal value and the statement is indeed true.
Anonymous No.712726295 [Report]
>>712724761
4 + 2 = 5 + 1
4 + 1 + 2 - 1 = 5 + 1
Anonymous No.712726316 [Report]
You're either correct or you're incorrect
Literally 50 50
Anonymous No.712726320 [Report]
>>712723524
The host never picks the car. Before you pick your door the car has a 66% chance of being in one of the other doors, but if it's in one of those doors then switching to another door becomes 100% of that 66%, because the option that isn't your door OR the car goes away. It's 33% the car is behind your door, and if it isn't then switching guarantees the car.
Anonymous No.712726368 [Report]
>>712726078
The point of the question is that you are allowed to do literally anything to the equation except literally write 6 = 6. There are countless ways to explain it based on solid mathematical fundaments and your job is to use those and show that both sides are in fact equal by using them.
Anonymous No.712726403 [Report]
>>712724761
>solve the equation by adding more tedious bullshit
Okay but why?
Anonymous No.712726460 [Report]
>>712723049
The presented problem is inherently incorrect because if you were choosing a box/bsll at random, then you wouldn't always pull a gold ball. As the problem currently is presented, the double silver box does not exist. As such the odds are 50%. If the question was worded properly then the odds would be 1/3.
Anonymous No.712726467 [Report]
>>712725419
The simplest way to put it is this.
At the beginning you have a higher chance of picking a goat first; Since there are 2/3 doors with a goat.
That means MORE OFTEN THAN NOT you have picked a door with a goat behind it starting off.

So when the host eliminates a door he knows a goat is behind you STILL HAVE A BIGGER CHANCE TO HAVE ALREADY PICKED A GOAT behind your door.
So if the host eliminated a goat and you more than likely already have the other goat behind your initial pick, what is left? The car.

The entire "puzzle" hinges on a persons' pride about not changing their mind under pressure.
That's why the show got cancelled because people figured it's statistically better to just switch every time.
Anonymous No.712726474 [Report] >>712726585
>>712724761
Because there's an equal sign, which means that both sides are the same. If they aren't then someone made a mistake or the teacher is a faggot.
Anonymous No.712726476 [Report] >>712726595
I pick the same door again. Now what?
Anonymous No.712726512 [Report]
>>712722889
that's only true if you bring in a third party who doesn't know which door you originally picked to choose for you
Anonymous No.712726585 [Report]
>>712726474
The question fundamentally does not change if you rewrite the question to be "incorrect" though.
>4+2 = 5+2
"Can you prove" is the critical operator with the condition being "without solving both sides of the equation"
You need to have a triple-digit IQ in order to participate in these kinds of questions.
Anonymous No.712726595 [Report] >>712726676
>>712726476

A group of monkeys appear and beat the shit out of you (they don't explain the reason)
Anonymous No.712726652 [Report]
>>712726081
had i not had breakfast this morning id imagine id feel somewhat hungry currently and perhaps somewhat irritable due to that.
However its fathers day so my lovely wife and wonderful children did in fact serve me breakfast in bed, thusly no such breakfast-less condition has presented itself.
Anonymous No.712726664 [Report]
>>712723297
>switch
>you get the goat
Bet you feel real smart now, huh?
Anonymous No.712726676 [Report] >>712727041
>>712726595
Do they know the reason?
Anonymous No.712726957 [Report] >>712727272
it was a 50/50 on whether I was gonna post in this thread
Anonymous No.712727041 [Report]
>>712726676

That's just how things are, anon.
Anonymous No.712727042 [Report]
>>712725894
Look, if you think that the car really is behind the door that you would pick first, by picking a different door on the first round you have a 50% chance of being proven incorrect about that initial assumption. If you think that the car is behind door 1, and the presenter shows that a goat is behind door 1 instead, you gain a second try at guessing, which doubles your chances. The presenter won't show you what's behind the door you pick first, so to have him have a chance of showing what's behind the door that you think the car is behind, you should pick a different door on the first round, and then switch.
Anonymous No.712727050 [Report]
>>712725820
I don't get it
Anonymous No.712727086 [Report]
>>712724475
I'm not picking any apples if they're poisoned, that's a scam.
Anonymous No.712727158 [Report]
>>712722998
understanding probability is a useful skill to have for video games
Anonymous No.712727272 [Report]
>>712726957
No, it was 100% because you cannot fight your temptation to post on /v/. We all know that none of us can escape this wretched hellhole.
Anonymous No.712727275 [Report]
>Finds a way to peek into the future
>Learns the answer
>Probability becomes useless now after you go back to your time
Checkmate.
Anonymous No.712727374 [Report] >>712728063
>>712723418
it's all bait, you can't actually argue when you can just prove it https://montyhall.io/
Anonymous No.712727435 [Report]
>>712722368 (OP)
>Pick one in three.
>Okay now pick one in two.
>Did you know that the odds of these are different?
>Quite the conundrum, if I do say so myself. Quite the thinker. A little thought experiment, if you will.
This shit makes me so asspained.
Anonymous No.712727552 [Report]
>>712722368 (OP)
It's said that your choice has 1/3 probability at the start. But if you know that the host will open a wrong door once you pick, then one wrong choice is immediately removed before you've chosen. So you're actually picking with a 1/2 probability.
Anonymous No.712727612 [Report]
>>712725419
When switching:
>If you pick the wrong door, you win
>There are 2 wrong doors out of 3 (2/3)
>You have a 2/3 chance of winning
Anonymous No.712727659 [Report]
>>712723804
>show two doors
>you have made your choice, lets see if you win that car!
>a curtain opens up with 98 empty open doors
>now he only has a 1% chance
Anonymous No.712727735 [Report] >>712727826
>multiple choice exam with 3 answers
>choose one
>actually I changed my mind
>choose another
>according to the laws of probability I'm now more likely to be correct than if I just stuck with my original choice
>reality can read your thoughts and respond to them
>you can game probability just by altering your choices
>"""mathematicians""" are okay with this
Anonymous No.712727826 [Report]
>>712727735
>have 3 dollars
>go to buy hotdog
>that will be $1 please
>go to give note
>decide to give other note instead
>free money.
Anonymous No.712727946 [Report]
>>712725419
Proof that IQ tests are bullshit
Anonymous No.712728063 [Report]
>>712727374
>click door
>goat door is always re-determined based on where I have clicked
It's great how they made this just to troll people lol