It's not perfect, but neither was New Vegas. I don't understand why some people who suck NVs dick so much don't like The Outer Worlds or Avowed. I honestly believe that those people don't like RPGs and laud NV as one of the best ever because doing so became popular.
In most ways Avowed is better than NV: the combat, exploration, parkour system, looting, crafting, quest design, and most importantly, the RPG systems.

I'll grant you that NV's writing is better in many ways. So is BG3's. But when it comes to the moment to moment gameplay with combat, exploration and questing, I like Avowed much better.

threadly reminder

>>712723363 (OP)
Kill yourself.

>>712723363 (OP)
this has to be stolen from reddit

>>712723363 (OP)
Avowed had good gameplay but playing as a mushroom fairy didn't sit right with me.

in most ways Twilight is better than The Old Man and the Sea: the font choice, the binding, film adaptations, graphical design, page layout, and most importantly, the paper quality.
I'll grant you that The Old Man's writing is better in many ways. So is Slaughterhouse 5. But when it comes to the moment to moment page turning with bookmarks, dogearing and doodling in the margins, I like Twilight much better.

Avowed was unique in terms of gun+magic gameplay, but other than that, meh.

>>712723363 (OP)
new vegas fans don't like RPGs, they like New Vegas
NWN2, tyranny, PoE 1/2 are all way better than the unfinished bethestard game that is new vegas

>>712723651
>gun+magic gameplay
Fable already did that. Wizardry too

>>712723651
oh and the drip was good, game needed more soul though still a decent 7/10 game.

>>712723650
Blah blah blah
Go rot in some youtube channel chuddy

>>712723714
good point

nobody cares.

throwing a grenade in a building in new vegas throws physics objects everywhere

Outer Worlds 6/10
New Vegas 7/10
Avowed 8/10

This is objectively true

>>712723905
Amazing. Not only that, but it also has many different endings and in one of them you can convince the big bad guy to retreat from battle using FACTS and LOGIC?

>>712723640
You can disable the mushrooms.

>>712723363 (OP)
I'd say the better question is why YOU keep sucking this game's dick, but you are just a baitfag baitfaggoting, so not only would it be pointless, but also self-explanatory why you can't help and suck dick ALL. THE. TIME.

>>712723714
and they are great games because of it

>>712724065
You can turn off the cosmetics, sure, but as far as the game is concerned you're still the mushroom man.

how big is this game really? I just did everything in the first area in 12 hours and the next area seems to be filled with niggers and zombies

>>712723363 (OP)
yeah in 10 years people will look back at this era of obsidian much more fondly, I remember back when NV came out nobody gave a shit about it either

>>712723363 (OP)
This is a better rpg on account I haven't seen a nigger once, and the gameplay is kino. Obsiditrannies need not reply and seethe.

Because New Vegas is a glorified Fallout 3 mod. This has a practical benefit is it meant extra effort could go into writing and quest design as opposed to technical aspects, but it also gives a convenient way to absolve the game of all flaws. Most of New Vegas’s problems are also present in Fallout 3, so fanboys can say “It’s Bethesda’s fault! Obsidian in 2010 was perfect!” Even though they released the incredibly janky Alpha Protocol that same year.

Also people in general are just addicted to recognizable IPs. As time goes on I feel like a lot of New Vegas’s praise was just for being a Fallout game. The Outer Worlds was original, and Avowed is kind of a sequel to Pillars of Eternity but most people don’t know or care and even if you do it doesn’t have the same weight as Fallout.

>>712723463
Wow Awoved™ looks like a must buy! Is it true that Xbox Series S/X™ is the only console in which this unique looking game is playable?

>>712724221
third area is the best imo, also there are 4 areas and also an endgame area but that one's small.
Took me around 67 hours or so but I did do literally everything including exploring every nook and cranny.

>>712723463
>20 year old game is more dated than 0 year old game
Cool, thanks

>>712723363 (OP)
This game sucked

>>712724479
>exploring every nook and cranny
yeah I'm also autistic like that, so 60 hours it is then jesus

>>712723363 (OP)
Both games are shit. The only good recent obsidian game is grounded. And thats because it somehow avoided their cringe writing and has a cool concept

>>712724350
doesn't it fall down the cliff even harder in the third act as any Obsidian game before?

>>712724668
Compared to old games, like ES titles and Fallout its really not that long, but for a modern game its decently sized.
Doom Dark Ages as an example is like 10 hours long kek

This is a gorilla marketing thread, the game sucks and is clearly unfinished yet is sold for 70 europoor dollars.
Ugly, poorly optimized considering how ugly it is, bad generic boring combat not even fit for an indie game, horrible writing as a whole, only the main story is slightly above disgusting, and the RPG systems are just there to pretend they are but the game is even less of an RPG than call of duty multiplayer.
Suck a dick obsidrone.
I personally don't like New Vegas and thing it's a massive astroturf but it's at least a game that you can play and enjoy instead of this puddle of Patel diarrhea served on a platter of curry that Avowed is.

>>712724819
You can say a lot about the game but it is definitely more than finished. I'd say it overstays its welcome a bit.

>>712724350
Why would "obsiditrannies" hate a buggy and unfinished game? Isn't that the kind of people who would enjoy this slop?

>>712724816
Doom is an FPS, all FPS are short, you'd have to compare it with similar games such as Nier, Stellar Blade, etc...
And when 40 hours is enough to 100% a $70 AAA open world ARPG we have a problem.

>>712723363 (OP)
this game is fucking gay and so is the faggot director. no way in hell I'm giving these dei sweet baby faggots my money

>>712723363 (OP)
New Vegas benefits enormously from double standards which it would be ripped to shreds under if they were ever applied equally to it, to an extent that its current day reputation is incredibly far removed from what the game is actually like (as opposed to its far more accurate release period reception). This is generally how/why people rationalise that it and Fallout 3 are on opposite ends of a quality spectrum despite the two being so overwhelmingly similar that several of its own developers have compared it to an elaborate DLC.

Lots of games which are considered classics or cult classics fall into the same basket. Past a certain point, a game's reputation as one of the greatest becomes self-sustaining and arbitrarily shields it from criticism even if it's not really any better than the games it's lorded over. I love VTMB and still had to do a double take after seeing a post yesterday praising it while criticising another RPG for bugs.

>>712723363 (OP)
People like to act like Obisidian were these rockstars of WRPGs but the truth is they were never really that popular with the mainstream audience and have always been on the verge of closing down before the Microsoft aquisition.
They closest they ever got to entering the normalfag bubble was with New Vegas and most of that was due to brand recognition thanks to Bethesda's Fallout 3.

>>712724885
It's unfinished because it's mising core elements of a game.
The game itself is short as fuck yet insista upon itself because there is no difference in gameplay, enemy and encounter design or exploration between the start of the game and the end, literally no gameplay progression, and the story is a literal nothing burger from the assassination to the final level.
Obsidian managed the feat of making a game that is both too short and also so shit that you feel it's too long.

>>712723724
found the gcj tourist

>>712723724
do the world a favor and 41% yourself

>>712723667
nwn2 was cliché ridden and mediocre as fuck
motb was excellent though, but thats it
tyranny was terrible
poe 1 was ok, 2 was a lot worse
terrible bait

>>712725060
>People like to act like Obisidian were these rockstars of WRPGs
CRPGs. which is true, not only from their own output but from their earlier work under Black Isle.

and of course CRPGs have never been popular with the mainstream, are you daft?

>>712724819
>This is a gorilla marketing thread
Display of low intelligence.
>Ugly, poorly optimized considering how ugly it is
Works on my machine. Perhaps you are poor?

>>712725060
Most small studios have been on the verge of bankruptcy their entire existence and its usually due to mismanagement. Larian for example has been on the verge of bankruptcy for 20+ years and only survive by not paying their employees, not paying their taxes and doing side jobs besides game development.

No new dev can ever make it in this industry largely thanks to consoles

>>712725204
>plays this faggot game
>complains about low intelligence
you'll never be a real woman

>>712725196
Obsidian as a studio has literally never made a game that is above average, their output goes from total shit to decent, and they fired literally the only person in the studio that could write and build worlds coherently.

>>712725228
tell that to concerned ape

>>712725261
Another display of low intelligence. Shoo, peanut brain.

>>712725275
Pillars 1 is still the best crpg ever made from a design perspective

>>712725228
Larian was on the verge of bankruptcy because it was ripped off by publishers.
I think it was a German publisher and German publishers are known for being essentially the worst and greediest on the planet.

>>712725060
>the truth is they were never really that popular with the mainstream audience
That's a good thing.

>>712725326
kys faggot lover nobody is going to buy your shit slop game

>>712725189
Tranny obsession, chud status confirmed

>>712725309
>little gay anime pixel game for 40 year old libtards
I have never seen anybody below 30 play stardew valley

>>712725063
I'd say each chapter adds some unique enemies like for example poison shroom boys and dryads are added in chapter 2, then in endgame you get those giant annihilator robot/golems that you constantly see deactivated in ruins before that and etc but yea the game could use more enemy variety.
I was playing blades of fire recently and that game has more enemy variety with unique abilities and moves 10x compared to avowed.

>>712725371
take your homosexual game to gcj maybe those faggots will buy your game but I doubt it

>>712725395
you're retarded if you don't understand that Eric made massive bank off of stardew valley

>>712725467
And? Notch made one of the most successful games ever in his basement and modern devs have 4-500 employees and make walking simulators for monkeys

>>712725537
precisely lol

>>712725564
No not precisely, minecraft is the game of all time, as it stands, stardew valley is played by 40 year old posers with back problems

>>712725037
It's easy to love a game when you're being charitable. And people are more than charitable with New Vegas.

>>712724819
How is it marketting if the game was already deemed a failure?

>>712725365
The primate utters another buzzword.

>>712725673
Same way New Vegas was rehabilitated from a mediocre but slightly better than base game fallout 3 mod to the second coming of christ through years of astroturfing and marketing by obsidrones.

>>712725771
It's mostly just that the dialogue choice actually do something. There's a few things console owners are too stupid to notice and one of them is when dialogue choices don't do anything.

>>712725423
I have no idea what "gcj" is. You are display sings of schizophrenia.

This game was fucking terrible, just like The Outer Worlds. Just felt completely pointless and bland. Every time I tried playing it, I asked myself, why the fuck am I doing this? And I never really could answer that question. Wish I hadn't wasted my time on this shit

>>712723363 (OP)
>a game so bad that people now pretend to like it for contrarian points
Great.

>>712725060
They had a really strong start with a bunch of flawed but great games like Kotor 2, New Vegas and Alpha Protocol. They earned their good reputation back then - not that the current obsidian should get much credit for that.

>>712723363 (OP)
after 30 hours of avowed i honestly think gay vegas is worst. the only think saving it is mods.

>>712727051
I always replay nv without ANY mods and I'm not touching this game with a sun-to-earth distance sized pole.

>>712724189
Even with them disabled, the game literally filtered me in the intro because of that. Oh, the entire plot is that you're playing as disfigured, disabled mushroom man? I quit and uninstalled even after making my character simply because the entire premise was so god awful. I don't want to spend the entire game staring at other disfigured fucks, either.

The main problem is nobody cares about the world of Pillars or its lore so it will not get the credence of established IPs

>>712723363 (OP)

It has that teal blue purple colorscheme that all the super gay games have, no thank you

>>712724756
All the effort went into the first act.
King Arthur has comments on pretty much everything that happens. Then when you go to act 2, he clams up. Barely says anything. In the third act, he has no more comments on anything.
Crafting is worthless and barely thought throw. The stuff you can make pales in comparison to what you will find everywhere easily.
Balance is wonky. Stats on equipment barely makes sense.

>>712723363 (OP)
Companions and writing reek of san fancisco.

I like the game starting out but I fizzled out in the dwarf area

>>712723363 (OP)
I liked that you can talk final boss into killing herself.

>>712723363 (OP)
I like new Vegas although I don't suck it's dick. I liked outer worlds 1. Avowed is trash that I uninstalled after putting in 4 hours of it. The gameplay is shit. Just pure shit. If the combat were better I'd have no problems playing it

>>712723640
>Avowed had good gameplay

This is a meme. You literally see everything the game has to offer on the first map.

>>712727642
Godlikes were extremely rare beforehand and are all but extinct by the time of Avowed. The whole reason people are so shocked about your appearance is that literally nobody else in the world looks like you. There’s only one godlike NPC in the game and even then his “disfigurement” is shiny gold skin, no mushrooms.

>>712723363 (OP)
Avowed and The Outer Worlds somehow have the worst color pallet I've ever seen.

>>712723463
>>712723651
why do the enemies always stand there doing absolutely nothing like punching bags? do they not have ai to engage the player after being spotted?

>>712725228
>Most small studios have been on the verge of bankruptcy their entire existence
Black Isle/Obsidian was constantly on the verge of bankruptcy, and it was entirely due to the people running the Studio. Avellone left because they started fucking with his Healthcare and 401k contributions.

>>712723651
Combat in general is the best part of Avowed, but they really nailed the gun+magic combat

>>712723363 (OP)
Avowed and Outer Worlds are the definition of a mid game. I'm fully expecting Outer Worlds 2 to be just as mediocre as its predecessor

>make explosion
>random physics objects dont go flying
there you go
it sucked in the outer worlds and it sucked here
it's just the absolute definition of mediocre in general which is always worse than a good or a bad game

this game sucked ass
>boring m1click combat
>story sucks
>gear """""progression""""" sucks
>sidequests suck
>gear itself is boring, you see the entire stockpile of weapons in the tutorial area
>"unique" gear is just boring stat bonuses or lame shit like "adds a fire effect"

"Its so... okay its not even worth existing" - AVGN

>>712729274
>story sucks
You suck. Story about god as a clueless child was fun.

>>712729801
no it was annoying and I killed that bitch and felt nothing. And as if to spit in the face of its own game killing the God of the land does absolutely NOTHING!

There are no repercussions of doing it. I made the land a Colony and everyone lived happily ever after. There isn't even a resolution on how it affects the pantheon that already exists in the game with the Burned Queen. Okay I killed the new god so??????????? Does Woedica or whatever her name was reign supreme again? I took every "evil" (from the games perspective with how it tries to railroad you) choice I could short of siding with Death Knight bitch and yet everything is all cool. I thought for sure killing the God of the land would result in some kind of disaster but nope!

>>712723363 (OP)
i don't play BoBo shite

>>712727051
>is worst
Retarded ESL shill.

>>712730362
>no it was annoying and I killed that bitch
Killing god who killed her followers time and time again because they toppled her statue or cut random tree - that was right choice.
>There are no repercussions of doing it. I made the land a Colony and everyone lived happily ever after.
Of course they are, it's better to be united, only greedy elites who want to maintain their status are against unity, common folks will always be happy. Once again, expected outcome.
>There isn't even a resolution on how it affects the pantheon
Because Sapadal was never part of it. She was mistake you fixed.
>Does Woedica or whatever her name was reign supreme again?
Their pantheon wasn't affected by Sapadal, yet and with her death it won't be affected, ever.
>I took every "evil" (from the games perspective with how it tries to railroad you) choice I could short of siding with Death Knight bitch
Lodwyn is lawful good character. You was lawful good in this game.

every single quest giver/nps is either a girlboss or a some funny haha loser man
there are no in betweens
once you see it you can't really take the game seriously
same for their previous attempt at a game

I enjoyed this more than I thought I would've. Shame there's no DLC.

>>712725037
>derpa derp, double standard
>durr, I'm unique for saying that NV is just like FO3
>erm cult classics are arbitrarily liked compared to other games
Man do I not particularly care, but the reputation of New Vegas speaks for itself and most people who like or love it shall continue to do so despite fervent nay-saying from individuals such as yourself. Whether its the greatest thing ever or just another good game varies from person to person. But comparing it to FO3 as though they are so similar misses the entire point of why people like FNV.
Of course they are similar gameplay wise in their vanilla states, one is effectively a shadow sequel to the other, and was only given about a year of dev time before it was pushed out the door at that. NV was never meant to be a significant departure from the gameplay pioneered in FO3, that would be impossible given the constraints placed on its development. It received criticism then and still takes some of that criticism now even after most issues from its troubled development have been smoothed over. Acting like they are such similar games purely on the basis of gameplay and of the same quality is just blatantly ignoring that NV's legacy is the result of its story and how well it utilized the setting. The factions, the war, the perceived return to good form by focusing on the heart of the series (the west coast).
This revisionism about 'you know, FO3 and FNV are essentially just the same game feature wise', acts as though people back in the year of its release couldn't see as much. It was never about the gameplay, it was always about story, characters, and the lasting impression those left on players. The role of the game features present in both FO3 and FNV always had little to do with the prestige given to New Vegas, people just remember it far more (because a good story is memorable) and liked it much more than what Bethesda did. People still love arguing about House vs Legion vs NCR vs Independence today.

>>712723363 (OP)
Avowed had fun gameplay, decent game overall.
>don't like The Outer Worlds or Avowed
You're talking about /v/niggers? They didn't play it, nobody plays the games they shitpost about here.

>>712730362
I haven't finished the game, but I don't really care that much about spoilers.
If a godlike kills their god, wouldn't they die? The godlike has a spark of that gods soul, right?

>>712723651
do the enemies ever attack or move? this game looks so boring

>tease skyrim 2
>everyone freaks out
>deliver skyrim for girls
>immediately forgotten

>made by leftoids
>is garbage
imagine
my
shock

>>712733553
>If a godlike kills their god, wouldn't they die? The godlike has a spark of that gods soul, right?
Not really. Eothas was "killed" prior to Pillars of Eternity and there is at least one Eothas godlike around. It's unclear though.>>712730362
>And as if to spit in the face of its own game killing the God of the land does absolutely NOTHING! I thought for sure killing the God of the land would result in some kind of disaster but nope!
The gods in Eora are not like Greek gods where if you kill them in God of War then shit happens. They're quite weak in terms of power levels. Nothing would happen as they're just a large collection of soul goo that has formed to be a thing.
>There isn't even a resolution on how it affects the pantheon that already exists in the game with the Burned Queen. Okay I killed the new god so??????????? Does Woedica or whatever her name was reign supreme again?
Likely because the gods are dealing with the deadfire ending where they're all getting ready to fight each other as they've been denied their food via the wheel. Spadal was a non issue for them except Woedica who is a control freak.

>>712723363 (OP)
>two games aren't perfect, therefore you should like both if you like one
Such a weak none argument to start with. And rpg's are generally known more by their writing than their gameplay in the long term. If by your own admission, Avowed is lacking in that department, I feel like you just answered your own questions about why people don't give it the time of day.

>>712733671
Did they? I don't remember any marketing promising some broad sandbox.

Is this game worth pirating? I bought khazan the first berserker and never finished it and now I have massive buyers remorse and don't want to waste money.

>>712734165
Pirating, sure. It doesn't have denuvo

>>712723363 (OP)

>>712733541
>implying any anons here care enough about Avowed to pretend they played it just to shitpost about it
I barely even saw much in the way of shitposts, or posts at all, when it released. It came and went with little attention or fanfare, it was just mostly beneath notice for most anons. Too lackluster to even be treated as a tortanic, especially when no one was expecting much from it to begin with. Far as I'm concerned, Obsidian should have just stuck with refining Pillars of Eternity.

>>712734581
>Obsidian should have just stuck with refining Pillars of Eternity.
After Deadfire I really don't see them returning, Tyranny was good but fell off a cliff at the end and I'm the only one who played Pentiment.

>>712734776
>After Deadfire I really don't see them returning,
Why? Deadfire was good and if you're on about sales, Josh Sawyer has said Deadfire has made profit since then. It was just a flop on release. I honestly feel that a POE3 is happening
>avowed is released
>both pillars games bounce up in popularity on gamepass and become top games for the month
>avowed also popular on game pass
>obsidian bringing turn based to a 10 year old game for no obvious reasons
>obsidian working on one unannounced game
has to be POE3. Especially if they got gamepass popularity which is all Microsoft cares about.

>>712723363 (OP)
I don't know if they fixed it, but when I played it a few months ago when I would launch the game my pc would just instantly restart half of the time. And when I was actually able to play it would just crash sometimes. Put it down and never really came back to it.

>>712734776
Shame, I didn't hate Deadfire (although I actually didn't finish it either). Tyranny wasn't bad but I was one of those people who was disappointed with it on release. I was expecting more ability to actually be the villain of an rpg for once, but if I recall correctly, you ultimately get funneled down the usual 'lowly hero to chosen one' path. Not what I had been looking for in that experience.

>>712733784
I didn't quite get godlikes in PoE, and I still don't really get them in Avowed.
It feels like making the main character a godlike railroads you, in an RP sense. A flower man with a flower god being a dedicated, hardline imperial agent?
But then without the options, you wouldn't be choosing and the game would feel like you really were on a rail.

>>712734912
>and if you're on about sales, Josh Sawyer has said Deadfire has made profit since then
I hadn't heard of this, I hope you're right, getting POE3 would be great.

>>712735071
>I didn't quite get godlikes in PoE, and I still don't really get them in Avowed.
Lore spoilers they are just emergency fail safe batteries for the gods. If the gods are in danger and need access to power and energy quickly, they'll absorb all of the essence of the godlikes they have killing them in the process. This happens at the end of deadfire and it's touched on in Avowed - nearly all of the godlike have vanished aka are dead.
>It feels like making the main character a godlike railroads you, in an RP sense.
In Avowed it sort of does because of your connection to the god, but godlike playthroughs in pillars are fun. Lots of reactivity and good conversations you can have with your gods in deadfire.

>>712723363 (OP)
People like NV becuase it's a Betheada game with actually good quests and writing and relatively un-scaled world. It's also a continuation of Fallout 1 and 2 since it had most of the original creators work on it.

Everything made by Obsidian post NV has been dog shit made by a completely new studio. They may as well be some random Indie studio with a completely differrent name. Nothing about their new games ressemble anything found in old Interplay CRPGs or New Vegas. Obsidian's 3D RPGs in specific are all sterile, lame, scaled, linear, and repetitive. They are bad RPGs, they are bad CRPG, they are bad open worlds, they are hub/level based games, they have terrible writing, they have terrible RPG mechanics.

They are simply a bad studio that's worse than Inxile, Styg, Larian, Owlcat. Bethesda, CDPR, and Warhorse in everyway. They qre being kept afloat by Microsoft and would have closed down long ago if they where independent. They show zero sign of improving either which is the worst part. The same thing that happened to Bioware happened to Obsidian.

>>712735297
>and I was really burned out about it. Over time, it actually sold quite well. And it is it is it is very profitable. Now thankfully, it just took several years but but while I was burned out

https://www.originstory.show/episodes/josh-sawyer

and yeah, I'm trying not to get too much hopium about POE3 but I think the series is now in the best outlook it's had in a while because of gamepass success. How a future POE3 will be though is the concern though as I imagine they will just do a pure turn based mode as that's more popular now which is a shame as the RTwP for POE was probably the best version of it there is, and I'm not a massive fan of RTwP.

anyone still playing western games in 2025 deserves to be killed. they have not been worth playing in nearly a decade if not longer.
e33 being the one singular exception, and hazelight shit if you have a wife/gf

>>712735531
Gatekeeping games by country of origin is idiotic. Especially with how many "western" devs are weeaboos or asian devs are westaboos these days, good games are good games.
Although I do play more European games than anything these days. De Gaulle's dream will become reality.

>>712735531
no one gives a shit weeb, kill yourself

>>712735863
what's idiotic is playing trannyslop made by raging leftoid cocksuckers when tons of great games are being made by the east.
>>712735870
fuck off touristnigger

>>712736175
Fuck off retard, fight your culture war elsewhere.

>>712735332
Telling Sargamis to stick himself in the statue makes more sense now.
Shame it still didn't work.

>>712736401
but what is this site for, if not culture-warring?

>>712723363 (OP)
It's like Dragon's Dogma. It has a nice map and good combat, but bad story/quests and the game feels rough and unfinished in general.

Probably got shat out early so more staff could work on The Outer Worlds 2.

>>712723363 (OP)
>The Outer Worlds or Avowed
too short too linear

>>712723363 (OP)
I just wish it ran better

>>712735420
>Bethesda
Hasn't made a good RPG since morrowind.
>CDPR
Lol! They don't even make RPGs anymore. Have you played cyberpunk? It's a linear action/story game.