Thread 712727085

Imagine thinking the PS4 remaster is better than the PS2 version

>>712727085 (OP)
i see the same shitty cutscene, am i missing something??? Never played this crap btw

>>712727250
NTA but the remaster's head is static and expressionless while the original is adjusted to his movement and is panting from overexertion.

you could get a ps2 and multiple original games for the price of a remake

>>712727085 (OP)
the ps4 version is more than 15fps therefore it is objectively better

>>712727604
Ueda's team used some clever graphical tricks to make the low FPS not as intrusive/distracting as you'd expect

>>712727762
yeah well he failed, it's why I always pick the PS3 remaster over the original

>>712727924
the ps3 remaster has bugged stamina drain due to the higher framerate. it's an inferior version to the ps2 release.

>>712727989
excellent, the ps3 version is even better and offers more challenge.

>>712728079
it just offers more grinding due to shitty bluepoint bug.

Would you say the PS3 versions are better than the PS2 originals?

I remember a lot of people praising the ps4 version but it honestly hasn't aged that well despite being from one generation ago.
Everything is kind of blurry and looks like plastic.

>>712727916
it's kind of ridiculous how good the PS2's volumetrics were. to this day I don't think they've been topped

http://selmiak.bplaced.net/games/ps2/index.php?lang=eng&game=sotc&page=makingof#:~:text=The%20fake%20volume%20particles%20and%20fake%20light%20scattering%20with%20%22high%2Dquality%20illumination%22

>>712728265
The ps2 version of SOTC runs literally at 15-20fps whenever you're fighting an enemy.
The ps3 version is the same game but runs at a solid 60fps and runs at higher resolution.
There is no contest.

why is it so difficult to simply play the original game? if You do not like it why would You like remake of it, makes no literal sense besides being a money grab

>>712728243
More reason to explore the beautiful landscape?
Makes climbing to the top of the tower feel like a real achievement?
It just keep getting better!

>>712727085 (OP)
can you post a gameplay example of the remake being worse? cutscenes don't matter

>Ico started on PS1
>Last Guardian started on PS3

Colossus was a PS2 project from start to finish, so it's different from the other games

>>712728265
Both are inferior visually so no. Emulation is the way to go.
Parallel-GS is the best way to play SOTC though it looks a bit better on PCSX2 when properly set up.

>>712728507
> to this day I don't think they've been topped
Crysis 1, at least with mods, surpassed them. But yeah I can't think of another game nearly as impressive in that regard.

PS3 trailers of Last Guardian. Not much changed when they switched development to PS4
https://youtu.be/qZ9kcL7dh28?si=xKYH8EIvBE0z9kSq
https://youtu.be/CxXmZbU9ez0?si=2KiR6Rl0yzQdm7kg

>>712729408
I don't think anything was actually rebuilt for the ps4 version. They were just porting to the latest platform because they took too long to make it.

>>712729341
kino beyond measure

>engines and tools more accessible than ever
>no indie dev is making games like SOTC

>>712729408
>Not much changed when they switched development to PS4
You are fucking blind and retarded.

>>712729651
I meant in terms of gameplay

Ico came out on September 2001. Here's a video from mid 2000. Notice how different and worse it looked. Yorda doesn't even have the white dress
https://youtu.be/ho36T9wCb44?si=HFO2BLtnlwhzoMQu

>>712729543
It really is. I hope the next game is good.

>>712729867
the trailer was kino
but last guardian was so bad that I'm not sure I have faith in Ueda

>>712727085 (OP)
>>712729341
Imagine remaking the game 1:1 but you make every single moment less impactful

>>712729921
I still haven't played it, it was too ugly and ran like shit on PS4 so I've just been waiting to emulate it.
That game had a messed up development though so I wouldn't blame Ueda.

Hey what's the best version of PCSX2 to use for this game? I remember seeing a comparison where some graphical effects got fucked up in more recent versions.

>>712729341
>>712729978
ps2 had special hardware for transparent objects that no other console has built in
it's why the silent hill 2/3 hd games had much reduced fog

Kino
https://youtu.be/3amRinJ5ORI?si=FRuvWGTsRwSZKFEw

>>712730116
The newer versions of PCSX2 have smoe z-fighting but everything else can be fixed with tweaks but the closest to PS2 version in my limited tests was LRPS2(retroarch) with PGS. It looks less sharp than on PS2 but it had all the effects rendered well as far as I could tell. I only killed the first 2 bosses though.

Ico is definitely the more lighthearted game
https://youtu.be/bLzg4t_Qpe8?si=ybfzNDXt0CDSrpFo
https://youtu.be/u_csUioMUME?si=vi1nwcm6W5-ckFIw

>>712730220
doesn't get much better than that. here's another cool trailer from an earlier version, back when it was called Nico (ni meaning two, ico being Ico, so a sequel to Ico)
what I really love about SotC and all of Ueda's games is the simplicity. all of the games are such simple ideas but they're all executed flawlessly, no fluff or filler
it's funny how so many developers claim to worship Ueda (like Miyazaki, Yoko Taro etc) but none of them seem to understand what makes his games truly special

https://youtu.be/LeBpRiWGdWg?si=6vX6PGojUhN6Z68L

>>712730124
>special hardware for transparent objects
Not exactly, it just had an insane amount of bandwidth so transparencies were basically free.

>>712727085 (OP)
Bluepoint remakes are a crime against humanity

>>712730124
>the ps2 was special
no the devs are incompetent it's what it is.
passionless corporate fuckwits who back in the day would only make licenced shovelware
now they have access to modern engines that are already set up by default to reduce the effort they have to put in
they have access to pajeet outsourcing to reduce half of their workload
they just slap shit on Unreal or whatever, scream "LOOK AT THAT OLD GAME YOU LOVED, NOW IT HAS 8K TEXTURES AND THOUSANDS OF TRIANGLES PER MODEL" and mindless idiots just lap it up

PS2 graphics > ooga booga bix nood

How did a game like this came from such a small team with little experience?
https://youtu.be/FTlpxEKsYSE?si=w_z0YY_-6T2pLubp

>>712727085 (OP)
It's a shitty movie game no matter the version

>>712731349
kwab

>So, when you actually began developing Ico, how big was the team?

>It was small at first. Maybe 5 people. Eventually we got up to 15, and ultimately had about 20 people working on it. The team next to us, however, was developing Legend of Dragoon at the same time. I think they had over 100 people on that

>>712727085 (OP)
Yeah, that's why you play the PS3 remaster instead.

>>712731542
Small teams seem to change the trajectory of the games industry.

>>712731578
Nah.

>>712731627
this kind of shit is how you know a game has soul
random ass AI behaviors that 99% of people will never notice

>>712728079
The game has a stumble effect where you can't do anything, which the PS3 version exacerbates significantly to the point where you need to use speedrunner glitches to beat the challenge modes.

>>712731474
it always kinda bugged me how Wander pulls unlimited arrows from thin air. that and the UI existing and Dormin giving hints too readily are the only real flaws I can think of. maybe another being that it's difficult to die, but that never bothered me too much

>>712731706
>99% of people will never notice
how can you play this game and not notice her chasing birds? she does it whenever there are birds

I've been a fan of SotC since the demo from the Official Playstation Magazine. I own every version of the game and I think the playing the remake o a ps4 pro is the absolute best experience. It reminds me of old PS2 CGI cutscene renders but in real time.

i have both games on both consoles and they both suck now fuck off

>>712731923
ur dumb

>>712732005
yeah it does not look like the same game at all

>>712727250
that's not a cutscene

>>712732005

>>712732073
Go fuck yourself.

one of my favorite posters I've been aware of for like 2 years or more is the Ueda fan that posts random tidbits of information, often related to the dev team
see
>>712728852
>>712729408
>>712729815
>>712730564
>>712731256
I can't tell what brand of autism it is but I appreciate it. probably the biggest Ueda autist next to me
what are your other favorite games Uedanon

>>712729921
holy filtered
Last Guardian is a masterpiece

Wish they ported this to Steam. I want to check it out but I'm not dusting off my PS4 for it.

>>712732351
This game running at 60fps is fucking amazing.

why is jeet spamming resloppa

>>712728507
>>712730124
Does the PS3 remaster have the same volumetric fogs and dust clouds, or did they have to gimp those to get it running on PS3?

>>712727250
>you see, if i call one of the best games ever made crap, i will seem cool and edgy

>>712732184
>>712732259
>>712732328
>>712732351
>>712732434
>>712732524
these look like complete shit

>>712732582
kwab

>>712732613

>>712732582
Go fuck yourself.

>>712732582
you look like complete shit

>>712732328
I've always thought anyone complaining about cameras in video games(at least 99% of the time) were mongoloids but SOTC complaints really take the cake for me. Absolute mouth breathers.

>>712732259
>>712732351
>>712732434
>>712732524
>>712732774
>>712732857
this looks more like a remake of MGS3 than SotC

Speaking of Ico
>decide to watch random video essay about Ico
>it's just a tranny traumadumping about his nightmare life and getting evicted
>hardly any discussion about the actual game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KWIWjtWDdg
Cringekino

>>712731923
>>712732005
>>712732184
You're indian

>>712727085 (OP)
>>712727916
I know remaster/remake threads are always nitpicking, but have there been any improvements, Maybe something soulful even?

All I see is better grass and foliage. Even the texture on the coat looks worse

>>712732540
gimped

>>712733035

>>712733029
Nah.

>>712733021
>generational trauma
weird middle eastern concept. Ueda's games are mostly about how you shouldn't do blood magic and sacrifices to ancient gods.

>>712733032
>but have there been any improvements, Maybe something soulful even?
Not really, maybe you could argue the sand looks better here. I think water deforms more too maybe? But even the water is kinda worse in some ways.

>>712731923
If I'd never played the PS2 version, I could see where maybe this wouldn't bother me, but knowing how good the PS2 version was makes the PS4 version unplayable for me.
>worse art style
>worse animations
>dramatically worse volumetric clouds
It's a great example of a remake that succeeds only due to be being carried by how good its source material is. The only meaningful improvement it has over the original PS2 version is the frame rate, but the tradeoffs just aren't worth it.

>>712733263
jesus christ Bluepoint should be in jail

>>712733178
>weird middle eastern concept.
kek. retard
you should learn more about it, it's the reason most people are retarded, they literally can't think right because of generational trauma they don't even understand. they think the clown world is normal because their parents grew up in another version of it, don't question anything just do as your told because of heckin laws

SotC PS3 is a textbook example for why no frills remasters should be illegal.
SotC PS4 is a textbook example for why full on remakes should be illegal.
Both are crimes against the indomitable human spirit.
QED

>>712733032
Rocks and trees. Most of the environment stuff is better. Lighting is more realistic with proper occlusion from large scale objects.

A lot of it is personal taste though. Looking more real doesn't mean it looks better.

>>712732967
SOUL
>>712733187
SOULLESS

>>712733369
That's definitely not the kind of generational trauma the tranny in the video is referring to. If he was cognizant of that kind of generational trauma, he wouldn't be a troon.

>>712733473
Fair enough if true, I didn't click on it.
>If he was cognizant of that kind of generational trauma, he wouldn't be a troon.
kek true

>>712733178
that's definitely a theme. I think Ueda's games have a shared underlying theme of 'things that appear bad aren't always so', but there's a whole lot more like superstition, curses, rituals
one of the core things mechanically is that each time the AI partner gets bigger and more complex. in the 4th game it's a giant fucking mech

>>712733369
You should teach us all about this grand concept!

>>712729867
it's going to be UE5 slop isn't it?

>>712733201
>>712733263
ironic that it reduces the 'anti soul gas'

Can I emulate The Last Guardian yet?
I thirst for more Ueda kino, but I stopped buying Sony consoles after the PS triple.

>>712733406
>Rocks and trees. Most of the environment stuff is better.
post proof

>>712733305
I agree the art style is ass, especially the faces. 60fps is a godsend for exploration.

>>712733072
i guess i'm not surprised, but it's still disappointing. all i want is to be able to play my 20-year old video game at a steady, stable frame rate and without needing to make a bunch of visual compromises. i didn't think this was asking for too much.

>>712733783
In those screenshots you posted I would say the rocks and trees do look better.

>>712733732
You can run around in the first room but you still can't pull the spear out of Trico. I think you can climb him now though unless that was just a super WIP build.

>>712733851
you can do this in emulation

>>712733851
So is there really no patch or settings for PCSX2 that stabilizes the framerate without introducing bugs? Is it really a choice between 15 FPS (PS2) and no soul (PS3)?
PS4 need not apply

>check shadps4 progress
About half a year ago this room rendered perfectly lol.

>>712734007
>>712733851

>>712733783
the 2nd pic with Wander standing near the altar says so much about how they just don't get it on any level
the Forbidden Lands are supposed to be blinding and ethereal from inside the comfort of the temple. once you get out of it the game adjusts how harsh it is, similar to how our eyes adjust to brightness in real life
not to mention it just frames the image so much better, providing contrast by putting the focus entirely on Wander rather than the pillars and mountains in the background

>>712734151
thanks anon, i will try this out. the last time i looked into the PS2 emulation scene, which admittedly was several years ago, i could never get SotC to run at a good frame rate without all kinds of visual issues.

>>712733597
I like how the fourth game will be a gundam lol. What a progression.

>>712734383
Always use nightly builds of pcsx2, as for me I use the real hardware

it is.

>>712734073
I'm just glad this is a possibility at all in the future. TLG being trapped on the PS4 would suck shit, same with BB
would be great if we can eventually get a mod to remove the control tutorial pop-ups

>>712734383
also refer to >>712730284 though I don't have settings handy for getting it set up over there, it has some more obscure options.
I hope the PCSX2 team incorporates PGS sometime to make it all more convenient, retroarch sucks.

>>712734503
disgusting

>>712734073
Not in the loop, why is it getting worse?

>>712729243
>playing with 20 frames of input lag
Fuck pcsx2. The right pic looks better too.

>>712733684
this one looks pretty good in the remaster

>>712733783
if I just compared the game by these two pictures I would say the remaster looks ok. In a vacuum even the character model would be fine, it just looks like a different person.
Obviously the pictures neither show animations nor dynmaic lighting.
Weird how the fur looks way better in the og. Overall it's really not a huge improvement in any way though. It looks like they had to reduce the fog so people would even see the more detailed textures and foliage.

>>712734636
It isn't necessarily but wip emulators often have regressions in some respects.

>>712734712
The right is PS2 and the only way to play Ico at 60fps is by emulating it.

>>712727337
>emotional sissy
>stoic man
get yo woke ass outta ere

I feel like if someone really respected Ueda's games, they wouldn't try to remake them in the first place
even if you were trying to be as respectful to the material as humanly possible it's still nobody's place to tamper with the original work, and it's disrespectful to think that you can improve upon it, especially artistically
it's ironic how so many people are fixated on games being art yet these same people are content with an entirely unrelated dev team on the other side of the world remaking the games they almost universally consider to be art. about as stupid as trying to remake the Mona Lisa

>>712735080
The really disrespectful part is that Ueda gave them some notes on how to improve it and they ignored everything.

>>712735080
This.
Remakes should be unironically illegal. They're vandalism.

>>712735174
assuming this statement isn't made up, do we know what those notes were?

>>712734774
I don't understand people that look at things without looking at them.

>>712735243
https://www.eurogamer.net/fumito-ueda-submitted-a-proposal-of-changes-for-the-shadow-of-the-colossus-ps4-remake
Ueda just said he gave them some notes and the only differences in the games were those collectable coins and they gay new weapon. Somehow I doubt he thought those would improve the game.

>>712735243
never disclosed, but I know Ueda wanted to have a day-night cycle and I think weather too

>>712735080
>making a bing bing wahoo climb game playable is
>LE DISRESPECTFUL!

>>712735492
I said what I said

Was Last Guardian good? For a game I remember for years being written off as vaporware, I don't think I ever heard anyone actually discuss the game itself.

>>712729921
The Last Guardian is better than SotC.

>>712735621
A lot of /v/irgins seem to have skipped it because a lot of us skipped the PS4 and it just looks like ass visually. it ran really badly on base ps4 too

>>712733720
>it's going to be UE5 slop isn't it?
Probably. My heart fucking sank when I saw this.

>>712735751
Yeah at the time nintendo stuff was really creeping up in popularity here so anything not on there is ignored and ultimate tossed in a "doesn't count" bin. Sad really.

>>712735080
TRVE

>>712735808
Epic is funding it entirely. It'll come out for PS5, and I'll play it on a PS6 that I disconnect from the internet because he'll probably ship the game with an uncapped framerate like last guardian.

>>712735751
>it just looks like ass visually.

???

>>712735621
It's a game about training a dog. So the first half of the game you know the solution to a puzzle immediately but you're trying to get that big fuck to actually do what you want him to do. The frustration you feel at the game/Trico for not cooperating with you is 100% intentional but it still doesn't make for an enjoyable experience.
It gets better later on once you've established a bond with Trico but the game doesn't have much in terms of set pieces, combat or story so it always feels kind of bland.

>>712736015
>implying a PS6 will even boot without an internet connection
lol
lmao even

should i play sotc on a crt or widescreen lcd? both have component input. just wondering if it's one of those games that takes advantage of scan lines.

>>712736147
Not necessary, only thing that needs to be ran without an internet connection is the disc.

>>712727085 (OP)
>>712727250
remasters is a shitty marketing term

>>712735858
Delusional, people just play on PC now.

>>712736257
I'm so confused by this post

Just emulate the PS2 version

SOVL

>>712736058
>neon green and razor sharp grass
>character is insanely poorly shaded
>extreme vaseline filter over everything making it look smudgy as shit
>textures are so compressed they all have artifacts
If you're being serious you are so fucked up. The sad part is that it looked better on PS3 but they fucked up everything porting it.

>>712736593
she is like a tamagotchi that tries to suicide if you don't pay it enough attention

>>712736430
Lol. You must be very new, and in a state of denial.

>>712736593
what was her fucking problem?

>>712736852
You're actually implying /v/ paid any attention to the Wii U. Fuck off retarded newfag.

>>712736652
It's one of those games where even fans would do a better job with mods, it's basically impossible to get any worse.

>>712737093
>/v/ paid any attention to the Wii U
It was just about the only place that did lol.

>>712736224
i suppose it doesn't matter, then

>>712737640
Not really. It's a 480i/480p game unlike Ico, although funnily enough it can be forced into 240p with a hex edit.

>>712735578
sovl

>>712737640
I generally don't think 3D games require scanlines, outside of maybe PS1-era games

SotC is trans allegory

>>712727085 (OP)
Who cares. There's like a zillion games coming out every year. Its fucked to be fixated one or even duplicates of the same one.

>>712727085 (OP)
>802x314
Sorry, I don't see the difference in that postage stamp video.

>>712727337
The reason they couldn't do facial expressions and emotions in the remake is because the PS4 doesn't have the Emotion Engine like the PS2 has.

Imagine thinking this game is pretentious. Ueda just wanted to tell a simple "boy meets girl" story about bravery and trust, plus he wanted to make a game inspired by the cinematic platformers that he liked playing on his Amiga computer (Another World, Flashback, Prince of Persia). He also wanted the game to have a distinctive vibe so that it would stand out from the crowd.

>makes dangerous leaps of faith many times, trusting Ico to catch her
>is willing to attempt to escape the castle and live in the outside world, despite knowing that it's almost impossible as long as her evil mother is alive
She is brave in her own way

>>712727085 (OP)
Hopefully we'll have decompiling projects for PS2 games soon.

>abandons his village and his previous life forever after stealing the sword and Mono's body
>is willing to kill the Colossi, regardless of the warning by Dormin that there will be a heavy price to pay
Wander killing those beasts is morally questionable, but he did truly love Mono

>>712740784
We got Jak and Daxter at least. as a programmer I find it INSANE that it was written in lisp

>>712740662
ywn fall asleep on a couch with a cute girl

>>712728507
Chrome user spotted

>>712736013
Laughing my ass off imagining a small Japanese girl saying TURUTTUNUKU

>>712741585
Imagine being a trannyfox user in 2025
t. lifelong trannyfox simp prior to the spyware TOS change this year

>>712741960
both suck ass.
I only realized after using ungoogled chromium how much google sabotages other browsers. Youtube will break every couple of month. Everyone who isn't part of the web starndard consortium gets buttucked.

>>712742351
Yeah it's fucked. The web keeps getting more unusable every year in general. Two factor authentication makes me want to carpet bomb San Francisco. Seriously considering getting rid of all my Internet enabled devices and going hermit mode soon.

>>712744189
>Seriously considering getting rid of all my Internet enabled devices and going hermit mode soon.
You know you wont, stop deluding yourself retard.

>>712744428
Why do you want me to keep using horrible technology?

>>712744463
Misery loves company

>>712727085 (OP)
I know the real reason /v/ whines about this remake and the Demon’s Souls remake, but you’re not ready to face that truth yet.

>>712741960
Spyware tos lmfao get some reading comprehension

>>712745064
kill yourself nigger

>>712745138
I accept your concession

>>712745192
Explain how it's not a spyware TOS. Hard mode: do not reference Pozilla's limp wristed backpeddle corpospeak statement which contradicts the actual TOS.

>>712745360
It's a generalised ToS that doesn't affect data input in the browser itself but on their own services

>>712745462
The browser is a "service", retard. Nothing about the TOS wording excludes it from applying to the browser.
What "service" are you even suggesting it applies to? Their "pocket" shit which just recently shut down? LMAO

To this day Demon Souls remake is the worst remake of all time and it's a shame people responsible for it weren't thrown in jail.

>>712745784
I believe you

>>712745691
Services being their websites and addon store etc

>>712727989
>the ps3 remaster has bugged stamina drain due to the higher framerate

Get good

>>712729243
>Gets rid of anti-soul gas

Based thank you Bluepoint

They literally don't make games like this anymore. How have things regressed so much?

>>712746402
No talent, theres simply less "soul" in people nowadays.

>>712727085 (OP)
this game actually sucks
>go to this area and and climb this walking statue
>kill boss
>teleports back
>do the same thing again
>no back story or anything cinematic just go to this area and kill a boss
>even the true evil boss reveal is lackluster

Are there notable differences between NTSC and PAL in this game like there are for Ico?

>>712747176
You know how they say "skill issue"?
Well you have a soul issue

>>712729643
even worse is that Bamco or other nips didnt make a SNK game like this

PS4 was a remake wasn't it?

>>712735578
>Wanda
wtf i thought we played as a young boy

>>712746125
Ok
But also the browser

>>712732967
I never understood what the domain for the third colossus was for... having to climb over this lake with no life in it, clambering around this crumbling path to get to it, made me uneasy.

>>712747887
it's cool

>>712735080
someone wanting to emulate Ueda would make a game that feels like playing a myth, but in your own style, and it would likely be totally different and unique from Ueda's work

>>712746229
i heard working designs is hiring you should apply

>>712747176
yeah it looks cooler than it is fun to play.
Wish someone would revisit this idea of battling collossi but make the gameplay better.
You can try Dragon's Dogma for better boss climbing gameplay, but it's not really the same.

>>712747834
Not necessarily

>>712747176
>>712750174

>>712750373
Pozilla's leadership have proven themselves to be unscrupulous, scumbags. Why wouldn't they?

>>712747176
need more bells and whistles to distract you from the core gameplay? how about a superficial rpg mechanics to make it feels theres complex progression systems and builds? or hundreds of points of interests to clutter the map with so you will always stumble upon "quality content" like a jumping puzzle or an enemy checkpoint? shadow of the colossus is a beautiful expression of reductionism. the game has zero fat.

>>712727085 (OP)
i wish this piece of shit ran on playable framerate in the PCXS2 emu

>>712751317
it does

>>712741960
lol

>>712751350
not for me sadly but then again i did hear my CPU isn't good for some of the more demanding PS2 emu games but SOTC is like one of 2 games that don't want to run nicely on my system
i got Ryzen 5 5600g btw

>>712749862
Jusant is a bit like this but the "logs" you can find cheapen it. They even sort of aped the climbing mechanic so the inspiration is even more obvious.

>>712727250
kys whore

>>712727085 (OP)
damn, that game was pure magic, even though everything was empty it had this foreboding feeling, and the frame rate dropped quite a lot even on the first colossus but you didnt care.

same with GTA SA

>>712754576
I remember thinking my ps2 must be malfunctioning when the frame drops were happening kek

>>712728507
Crazy how just by up scaling, some PS2 games is almost on pair with 7th gen games.
Add a texture pack, a bloom filter and a piss, poop or vomit filter, and boom: a next-gen game!

>>712755597
that's kind of because many early "next gen" titles wee still getting ps2 releases