why does every gachafan have a sales pitch that goes off like this

Because gacha fanbase arguments are the console war of this generation.
Mostly fought by poor retarded children, just like the console wars were.

>>712740545 (OP)
SEAniggy tribalism

mine is unironically true though.

t. GFL1 chad

>>712740545 (OP)
Because gacha players have to disassociate from the reality that they are grown men wasting money on virtual Barbies.

The first arc is the best arc in Reverse 1999 actually

>>712740545 (OP)
>bro, join my getting kicked in the balls club. other clubs have you getting kicked in the balls every day but mine only does so thrice per weeks, its so generous.
execute all gachaniggers.

>>712740925
this but my money goes toward artists who make my personalized oorn

Play azur lane

>>712740545 (OP)
Because half of the "appeal" of Gachas is the social experience, IE: Bragging about "rolls" and arguing meta and showing off your score on leaderboards/PvP, for there to be a social experience the Gachafag needs more Gachafags, therefore Gachafags inevitably start shilling their game and develop tribalist attitudes and generally defveloping big FOMO Cult-like behaviour about whatever the latest toy is and how it is MUST HAVE, but don't spend money on it ha ha wink wink!

>>712740545 (OP)
>>712741118
>>712740925
I love how butthurt gacha makes fags, poors, and predditors from r/games
seethe more for me, queers ;)

i have never played gacha and i will never play gacha
i hate every fuckign thread that adds nothing but retarded gacha spam
fuck gachiggers and give them a containment board

>>712740545 (OP)
I like the sketch sensei face in the back

>>712740545 (OP)
FEH was good about 6 years ago when you still needed strategy to beat hard mode maps, now it's just roll for new character and sweep everything instantly

>>712740545 (OP)
The first arc of any gacha is the best actually because they are designed to hook the retard anything that follows either failed to meet expectation or just downright shit because retards were already hooked and they can just reel in the kosher with anime boobs because the retards in question are just that genuinely brain damaged. Wg0an

>>712741825
Anon, they already have TWO at this fucking point or are we pretending that /vmg/ isn't a gacha containment board for the stuff too slow to be able to stick to /vg/?

>>712742215
/vmg/ has a rule that generals aren't allowed

>>712740545 (OP)
I haven't played the rest, and I don't plan to, but Limbus is fucking dogshit. KJH is a hack.

>>712740545 (OP)
what did nikkers do to replace vidya butts fans?

>>712740545 (OP)
me on the left

>>712741825
all videogame boards should merge and the posters should be left to sink or swim. You retards have enough babysitting and constantly whine when your posts don't get enough attention

>>712742307
In practice that just means you don't have a standardized Template OP Post with resources and don't call it a general. the same game practically had Non-general "generals" for years now, course cause /vmg/ is slow as shit they ain't necessarily chewing through threads on a daily basis unlike ones in /vg/. Name of Game, Picture of the current banner and a simple question like "are you pulling?" is all it takes.

>>712740545 (OP)
Ironic that Granblue is the only one that fits that, but it's not listed.

>>712740545 (OP)
It's simple; gachafags have no gameplay.

>>712741751
lol
lmao

>>712741751
There is no world where you're implying wealthy people spend money on fucking gacha games lmfao.

>>712744195
wealthy people don't spend money on videogames at all
gacha whales spend 2k-4k a month and work at cybersecurity

>>712743423
Grub is an outlier. The amount of autism in its fanbase is only rivaled by the sheer power of autism their network engineers have from the result of being locked up on monkeyman basement.

>>712740545 (OP)
<I look like that and say that. And I'm right.>

>>712745156
>bimbo cumpany
>surprisingly complex

>>712743802
here's your gameplay
https://x.com/Mail_freak/status/1934259856669921600

>>712740735
fpbp

>>712740545 (OP)
The same reason why they always fight each other over fake revenue data.

>>712740545 (OP)
gameplay?
I only jack off to the porn

>>712747375
>know the names of probably the top 10 gacha games and what the popular girls look like (I've probably fapped to most of them) because they get posted on /v/ all the time
>don't know what the gameplay of a single one looks like
I'm nooticing

>>712747375
Seriously. Blue Archive has some top tier sniffs but the gameplay literally put me to sleep. I'll just stick to the doujins.

>>712742402
dead game

Out of every Gacha I've played, the most frustrating was Azur Lane. Every stage took forever to get through and although you could auto-battle, you still had to manually do all of the movement in the stages yourself.

PriConne was the best, fucking RIP.

>>712747375
Sex

>>712747375
https://youtu.be/RUiIeAuSMfI?si=w0hfk1T45wJS06gp&t=2790
https://youtu.be/Nc1BJqTZ3NU?si=39UG1FJe7tS_J3_C&t=1614

I hate the stamina systems in these shit games

>>712740912
this but Arknights

>>712740545 (OP)
Deep down gachacucks know what they're doing is shameful and are driven to make excuses for it.

>>712740983
reverse 1999 has a good premise and story but it seems it already fallen into a problem that is inherit to gachas. you never really get to know much about characters because they have to keep introducing a set of them every patch meaning not enough time for everyone.
year 2 has been better about including older side characters into the story but half of the stories they don't really do much
Sonetto is the mascot of the franchise and she's done jack shit
they at least know to keep Regulus and Matilda around to steal the show

FGO fans don't really call the gameplay surprisingly complex. I'd say the team building can be fun once you're in mid to late-game and have built up a decent roster with varied tools and niches, but I wouldn't say that makes it "surprisingly complex", more that that's where the basic fun of the game is.

The free units aren't the best in the game but several are great and the game can 100% be done with just f2p units.

The pic is spot on about the story, though yeah. First arc is rough, but late first arc and most of the second are pretty great. Also yeah, the soundtrack is awesome, though really, I feel like that part is just actually true of most gachas. BA, Arknights, FGO etc. all do have awesome soundtracks.

>>712740545 (OP)
soundtrack is pretty much the only thing a lot of gachas never do poor on

>>712741747
underrated post that actually understands gacha

>>712747375
just small example of gbf gameplay loop

>>712752079
what the fuck am I looking at here?
>gameplay
yeah okay but what is happening actually?

The only gachas that are still full fledges games when you remove the gacha elements are Hoyoverse ones. You could easily just sell Genshin for $60 and have all its roster tied to unlocks ingame and people would say its a great game.

>>712752160
endless farming. one tab have the battle, the game is a browser game and you can skip every animation with f5, second tab is used for claim the rewards and start the quest again.
what is the "gameplay" farm around 2000-3000 fights for a f2p unit (usually strong or mandatory for endgame)

>>712748565
>not using ALAS
save yourself the hassle: https://github.com/LmeSzinc/AzurLaneAutoScript

>>712751397
limbus has pretty much solved the story problem by just having a fixed cast and things you roll for are just skins for said cast

>>712741825
based post

>>712740545 (OP)
Who's middle right with the helmet?

>>712740545 (OP)
Which gachas can I play offline, with mods and infinite resource cheats?

>>712740545 (OP)
>Complex
Pretty much always only matters in the teambuilding stage, the gameplay itself is autobattle-level outside maybe the occasional challenge mission you didn't outscale eons ago.
>Generous
Was more of a problem early on when gambling laws were less established. Now it's relatively true that you can clear most gachas as a f2p, but that's not a selling point when it's a problem exclusive to gachas anyways.
>Free Units
Lolno, there's not a single gacha unaffected by powercreep. Not to mention there are many occasions where the devs feel the need to make a problem and sell the solution. Also a gacha-only problem.
>Story
There are gachas with good stories, but the quality is never consistent, and 90% of gacha stories are simple stories you'd see in any vidya. Many of them are slow burns that end up not being worth it. There's like, 2 gachas with a story I'm still invested in.
>Soundtrack
Gachas, like a lot of games, tend to have some fucking bangers. Not a reason to play them since you can just listen to the OST online.

>>712740545 (OP)
No F/GO player drops any word salads to defend their game though. I have mostly turned off playing, and the only reason I still have it on my phone is because I like to stare at my 6 year collection and occasionally get the urge to read the story. The gameplay, pull rates, graphics- everything is ass.

>>712740545 (OP)
Because they sure as hell aren't going to sell anyone on gameplay.

>>712740545 (OP)
I only play dokkan which is basically a bubble popping game for babies but has kino animations that dumps serotonin in my brain like all gambling simulators.

>>712753442
I don't understand how FGO has a bad rap for its pull rates at this point. At 0.8% for the rate up 5*, it's middle of the pack. The pity is dogshit, though, yes.

How do people not give Hoyo more shit for their 0.3% rate up 5*s? Yes the pity is low but that's only because the rates are even lower, it effectively makes every roll a treadmill of hitting pity every time.

>>712740545 (OP)
With the exception of Extra and FSN tracks FGO music sucks dicks.
And I am a week one player, tho I don't even play nowadays, I just log in once in a while.

>>712753442
FGO is a fucking ghoul that should just fucking die. Nobody cares about it anymore, not Nasu, not even the devs themselves. And to think that the game was THE king of gacha games.
>>712754117
Chink gacha slaves are much more loyal and desu it's still much easier to get an SSR. I literally only got my first one after playing the game for like 6 months.

>>712754634
>I literally only got my first one after playing the game for like 6 months.
In FGO I mean

>>712754193
That's you being intentionally dismissive of the FGO content because you're already invested in the older stuff. The original music is great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n8M00hxjHI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELF1OImSrQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mRzsq46v30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INLiYnyBTZo

the pole dancing gacha thread died for this

>>712754117
Having it so each failed roll is also a step towards a guaranteed win feels better than a failed roll being completely wasted. Plus the floor is much better and you will never truly get fucked over by RNG.
>>712755660
Florence was practically nude in the OP, surprising it lasted as long as it did

>>712755242
When it comes to FGO tracks all I remember is godawful original tracks.
The third track is okay, the rest are meh.
None of them hold a candle to
https://youtu.be/IhtZROtcU18?list=PLLETEo8TZMY2L2nY_j8ZgZQBUq8pQyJMQ
or
https://youtu.be/c1sZ2q1ZFUY

>>712755807
At the same time though, on aggregate I'm less pissed off by FGO rolls. I have to go to pity maybe once or twice a year at worst, and in FGO there's an actual chance you can get a servant relatively early.

Part of why I'm dropping Star Rail is that the f2p experience is basically pity simulator. You farm for the entire patch and it gives exactly as much as you need to hit pity once and you never actually get lucky.

To be clear both are jewish bullshit designed to drain money. I just feel like Hoyo is the one that should be getting shit for their dogass rates more than anything.

>>>/vmg/

>>712744195
>>712744583
BTFO

>>712747694
most are either autobattler VNs like BA or hack & slash RPGs like wuwa or ZZZ

>gameplay
Nothing too deep is just team base bomberman
>Free stuff
Aside for the gacha you get a free girl once per year
One girl is hard lock behind playing on arcade
>Story
It's nothing special and not in the game
>Music
Just old Konami games music
>"So why play"
The gameplay is good

>>712740545 (OP)
third world (southeast asia, brazil, east europe, india) behavior because they invest their time on F2P phone casino apps rather than save up for a console or entry pc.

>>712747375
With the exclusion of a minute of placing the attacks because this boss has like 5 separate parts and I want them all staggered for bigger damage number on AOEs

Gachaslop is honestly not worth getting into. Even the best examples of the genre are inferior to even a mediocre game.
>why do you play gachaslop then?
Because love turned me into a fool.

>>712759773
>egospamming

>>712752079
>90% loading screens and screen transitions
Jesus christ.

>>712759905
well the strongest attack was the one that wasn't an ego

>>712740545 (OP)
Leftover Christian influence in the west maintains a bias in people's minds that gambling is sinful and something to be ashamed of. Gacha is, ultimately, about gambling, so when a westerner plays one, they feel the need to qualify how it's not "really" about gambling, it's actually about something else.

The average normie wastes more money on one night at a concert or a nightclub than the average western gacha player spends in a month on gambling, but the stigma remains. Imagine saying you go to this or that bar, but having to qualify that it's not even about the alcohol, you actually go for the music, or the live shows, or the people, or the hot bartender, or whatever the fuck. That's what's going on here.

>>712740545 (OP)
I'm so happy I will never get into gachaslop.

>>712760617
>gachashit is stigmatized because christianity
That's retarded and queer.

>>712740545 (OP)
all true

>>712760617
jew

>>712740545 (OP)
because gacha is just this, but for zoomers

>>712761317
the appeal of casinos is gambling
the appeal of gacha is the social element and memes, it just so happens to also feature lab tested methods for trying to rape your wallet

Gachas for this feel?

>>712761914
genshin impact

The few gacha games I ended up sticking with are those that technically became full games after their initial closure or those that due to not having a priority on ecchi fan-service doesn't get talked about here since they wouldn't be enough to bait a thread.

>>712750516
>?si=w0hfk1T45wJS06gp
>?si=39UG1FJe7tS_J3_C
fuck off glownigger

>>712762713
explain

>>712761540
>the appeal of casinos is gambling
>the appeal of gacha is also gambling, just without the possibility of ever getting your money back

>>712763350
youre retarded and low iq if you didnt understand my post
>inb4 u a gachafags stfu >:(
gacha arent real games and gachafags should be executed

>>712740545 (OP)
Gacha fans are disingenuous. The truth of the matter is these games offer something in their respective genres, but they're tied to an awful monetization system that is also tied in to the progression system, everything is framed in the context of how they can get you to spend money. This creates interesting gameplay scenarios by itself, sort of like adding 100 pounds in your backpack when you go on a hike, though ultimately most people get around the challenges presented by spending money rather than gameplay ingenuity born of necessity from lack of other options.

Overall the entire genre is designed to suck your time as much as possible, so it's pretty shit, but those are some reasons there are things to enjoy in gacha games. Also Genshin is genuinely one of the best open-world games ever created if you like open-world games, just with all this unfortunate baggage, and it's even one of the most egregious in the time-wasting and money-grabbing department.

>>712740545 (OP)
>fgo
>Genshin
>Extremely generous

Post the damn Jannus before I piss meself.

>>712740545 (OP)
Because every gacha now has to copy Genshin's model
>sub 1% rates
>90 pity
>50/50 coinflips for limited characters
>useless standard 5*
>no lower rarity characters added to the pool. Maybe one per year
>weapon banners with 5* ones being tailormade for the new character rather than being useful for anyone
>worthless F2P weapons
>75/25 for weapons
>Only enough premium currency earned per patch for one pity, with 2-3 limited characters
>have to beg devs for freebees cause pulls are completely dry once you complete all content
>limited characters now require you own another limited character for their full potential
>artifact systems rigged with RNG within RNG to keep you playing every day
>constantly bait players with sexy characters only for devs to censor them after release basically false advertising at its finest.

>>712740545 (OP)
Well, master duel (if you count that as a gacha) is pretty generous in the sense that just playing the game is way more efficient than paying because of how expensive gems are. The mtx are just whale bait.

>>712740545 (OP)
Don't group PGR with the rest of that sop

>>712740545 (OP)
All true for those games. Cope.

>>712764098

Notice how Star Rail isn't in the image? Yup I'm thinking we won.

>>712741751
>pic rel
it's always faggots that know they're wrong and can't come up with an argument that respond to criticism with that image. usually a child (or manchild) too. insufferable cunts.

>>712741674
lmfao no, the actual worst dogshit out of all of them

I enjoy blue archive gameplay.

>>712767452
Wrong

>>712740545 (OP)
this is actually uma musume though
global comes out in a week

>>712766485
Hard to believe that incest saved her life despite all death flags

>>712766851
>NOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO DEBATE ME
lol

>>712752160
Grub is a browser game, so once you hit attack, the game has already determined everything and you can refresh the screen to instantly go to the results screen. Some people take this to a more extreme by using 2 windows to speed up the process. Of course this one works for fights you can clear in a single attack.

>>712767452
I stopped playing when I got hard wall'd by not being able to level up fast enough. Also there was one enhancement stage that was just pure bullshit.

>>712767283

>>712766485

>>712767283
no

>FGO
>generous
lol
lmao

>>712740545 (OP)
Superimposed rem in d e r

>>712751653
>team building can be fun once you're in mid to late-game and have built up a decent roster with varied tools and niches
boy do i love endless castoria/koyan/oberon/etc. teams because fuck you we've made looping mandatory for grinding quests and made challenge quests almost impossible to do with low rarity

>>712740545 (OP)
I can't take anyone who uses the word "generous" when talking about gacha seriously. It's like saying that a casino is generous because they give you some free chips

>>712740545 (OP)
Because even most gacha players have internalized an insane mental image of what gacha is supposed to be, and their game being an exception is a surprise to them. In truth, most gacha are at worst acceptable games. People are just deranged about them.

>>712775069
>what gacha is supposed to be
Gacha is like vtubers, you find the girl you like and then spend on her. Then you hook up with other gacha players and circlejerk over how much you spent on your girl.

>>712775231
See, just like that.

>>712740545 (OP)
I don't sales pitch to anyone. Gacha is my own personal amusement and hell. I'm dissatisfied with the game market in general and being a tired old bastard, gacha fits the bill perfectly of turning off my brain for the most part except for challenge quests/missions for resources.

>>712761540
no, the appeal of gacha is gambling as well. The Japanese are simply very okay with it. Then China and Korea saw how much money it can get and here we are today.
The West has lootboxes and CS:GO skins.

>>712741751
Holy cope this post lmao

Gachaslop is the gateway to cuckoldry. I have interacted with Gachafags here and they are all cucks and erpfaggots.

You are LITERALLY paypigging money to have digital access to cards and animated images of waifus, not to see them naked or fuck them in-game, but just to have possession of them.

Then I, a non-gachaplaying BVLL just look up doujins for FREE and see every last inch of them get absolutely destroyed by the faceless guy I self insert into. You PAY for it, but you don't GET IT.

It is the ULTIMATE CVCK, PAY UP PAYPIGGY.

>reddit spacing
didn't read

How can you even say your gacha game is good if it doesnt even have an edit of the spammer

>>712777179

>>712750653
I'm playing Girls Frontline 2 and the Stamina hasn,t been an issue at all. I did all of the available story content in a week, everything I could actually do at my level and now am waiting for the weekly reset. And they give a ton of these keys that give you more energy. Unless you want to auto 4000 missions to get ressources you should never really run out.

>>712777959
The only ones with soul are the Ligmite ones to be desu

>>712740545 (OP)
Fixed that for you

>>712740545 (OP)
No one in the Limbus fandom thinks the gameplay is complex.

>>712741751
Based prince living rent free on the heads of gambling addicts for speaking facts

*kills GTA 6*

>>712745156
>>712759773
I'm willing to play limbus co because the setting is very cool and I'm interested in the story after lobcorp and ruina. I'm willing to spend 30 bucks at most because thats how much LC and LoR were. I assume that's enough to get all the story, and does the story get updated when the new char rolls come out? or is it just non-story content?

>>712740545 (OP)
I don't care about all that, I just like monster girls.

>>712741751
>paying realmoneydollars for gotcha slop to own the redditors epic style
this shit dumb as hell mayne

>>712740545 (OP)
Gachas only exist for showcase stories that not fit in a regular movie or TV/Streaming series of lots of seasons.

>>712740545 (OP)
I have yet to see gacha gameplay that isn't either incredibly braindead easy, tedious, or just pressing the auto button, which defeats the purpose of a game in the first place.

>>712786278
>>712750516

>>712786929
Well it doesn't look braindead easy and auto/skippable at least, but it does look boring to me.

>>712740545 (OP)
Everyone knows my game is a extremely shitty gatcha game. It's gameplay is surprisingly basic for a mobile game, even for its time, and are extremely stingy with resources. the free units are terrible, and the story is very shallow even past the first arc. And don't even think about listening to the music!

But the devs cater to a very small demographic and they're basicly the only game in town.

>>712768328
embarrassing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtVpwKH8yEg

>>712740545 (OP)
>gameplay is complex
It's largely about builds, the games themselves are designed to be readable and playable on touchscreens.
>the free units are some of the best
Almost never true.
>The story is also very deep
Deep but never good.
>you absolutely need to listen to that soundtrack
valid

>>712740545 (OP)
Wuthering Waves not in the image cause it's actually very cool. Just better nier automata

Gachafag infighting is some of the funniest shit on this board. Almost as funny as consolewar fags, maybe even funnier.

Limbus Company is just sadboy one piece but the story gets me every time

>>712747694
gacha sluts are overdesigned trash
that goes doubly so for the ones with LED nimbus or in faux-fantasy outfit
at least copyright:original is a tag, but i'd like to cull gachas specifically

>>712740545 (OP)
in a world where a full time job + overtime are needed to make ends meet, there leaves little room nor time for single player investment and gameplay.

if you look at the gameplay of any gacha it encompasses nearly 15 minutes-30 mintues

In the east, personal time is worse and understadable that they use gacha. This lifestyle hasn't hit america nor the west but i have no doubt it will happen.

Can any single player game give you 15-20 minutes of BARE gameplay?

I wish Genshin had cooler looking combat but I still prefer it to all of its clones, it just feels better. More polish and more satisfying to do stuff.

>>712759785
if the gameplay was bad, then why don't you turn it off. Just play something else. If you really like the gacha just comeback later.

>>712790308
Web games for wageslaves are not some super secret hidden gems anon.

>>712767452
I swear BA has the worst roll rates and/or rewards for said rolls.
>What? no it doesn't, it-
I don't care. I know about dalies, best grinding methods and dumb ass pity systems. Still can't change what I see and feel.

>>712747694
>zoomer realizes that /v/ is actually /b/-lite
what took you so long, anon?

>>712740545 (OP)
>and it´s extremely generous
Nobody who plays FGO says this shit.

>>712760617
>Gacha is, ultimately, about gambling,
it's always a small part of the game and it's just how they make money.

what you're saying is that all gaming is, ultimately, strictly about buying games. nothing else about the game matters, just that you spent money on it. gameplay? doesn't matter.

>>712790476
I took a look at the WuWa thread and saw the character build with skills and items and whatnot and instantly knew that I would have to grind a lot or spend lots of money to max out a character or three if they happen to become my waifu.
It's like looking at those ZZZ endgame (?) videos and having no idea what's happening with the constant character switching and there's an entire page/guide of how to build them.
Can't really see them as anything but a big investment of time and effort.

>>712783692
So long as you don't mind grinding a roguelite mode, you don't actually have to pull for anything, and you'll make better use of the freemium currency refilling stamina for said roguelite mode.

>>712740545 (OP)
>the free units are some of the best in the game
This is true

>>712740545 (OP)
Because they aren't gatcha fans. Nobody is actively a FAN of these games in that way. It's something they play and are addicted to but they aren't looking to recruit people.
The people you see actively shilling gatcha games in threads here are all marketers. Every single one. Look at current games. Note how they all need a 24/7 general. More importantly, note how the OPs are ALWAYS positive. For almost any game on this board, a negative OP is the far more effective way to get engagement, but Gatcha games are EXCLUSIVELY discussed in threads with positive OPs. Hell it goes beyond this board, it's just human nature for how people talk about things. "This thing annoys me" or "I don't know how to do this" or "this would be so much better without X mechanic" or whatever. With Gatcha on /v/ there is none of that, because the people you see talking about it simply are not really talking about it.

>>712790553
If it makes you happy, then why not. not?

>>712790723
Yeah the focus seems more on the live service stuff compared to Genshin which is fundamentally an RPG version of BOTW with the gacha stuff just kind of tacked on and ignorable, though I like it all personally.
I skipped Wuwa because it just looks cheap in combat though, I don't really know if it's grind heavy or what you do in the game. After the graphical updates exploration looks pretty cool though. It's got some great environmental art design now.

This is just embarrassing on Genshin's part though, they could at least try to compete with the flashiness lol. ZZZ does it well, hell even their turn based game seems to have some cool stuff.

>>712790932
Show me 5 (five) FGO threads with positive OP faggot.
Protip: they do not fucking exist.
It's either coomposting or shitposting or doomposting.
There is not a single thread where the OP starts with 'See the gameplay and story of FGO are extremely good and should be the standard for gacha or even other games!'

>>712778832
The writing in GFL2 is offensively bad. Wordswordswords and the plot still goes nowhere.

>>712740912
last i heard was that hypergrifth blew micateam's ass wide open. Has the game recovered?

>>712741751
im a gachafag and i love that ritual poster. fuck off you hypersensitive nigger

>>712791165
Mica is too busy running their reputation into the ground to even notice

>>712740545 (OP)
>>712740545 (OP)
>>712740545 (OP)
>>712740545 (OP)
I’ve never played a gacha game

Now that the dust has settled which one is good as of June 2025?? Blue Archive? It seems to have the most porn

>>712791123
I'd struggle to show you five FGO threads these days. I don't think it's shilled because I don't even see it.
>There is not a single thread where the OP starts with 'See the gameplay and story of FGO are extremely good and should be the standard for gacha or even other games!'
Of course not. But the sentiment for major games like the latest hoyo release is ALWAYS positive in OP. Usually via coomershit, but it's always a positive thing about a girl rather than shitting on another girl.

>>712791136
That's just keeping the tradition of GFL1 though.
Because apparently Paradeus cannot lose despite becoming the number one techno-terrorist that both the Soviet and German glowwies would have worked together to purge at the first sign.
I can sorta understand why SKK fucks off to the wasteland in the sequel because hell if I do not want to nuke both Soviet and every country left.

>>712790689
>[gambling is] always a small part of the game
>JUST how they make money
YEAH ALRIGHT NO THATS PURE COPE
GAMBLING IS THE CORE PART OF THE OVERALL EXPERIENCE, LIKE GRINDING IN ONLINE GAMES, AND PROGRESSION TREADMILLS IN RPGS
THE GAME LITERALLY WOULDN'T WORK WITHOUT THAT *BAD* PART
>but i don't pay
YOU ARE THE FREE RIDER TOLERATED DUE TO THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE SUSPECTIBLE TO GAMBLING ARE ***VERY*** SUSPECTIBLE TO GAMBLING

>>712791165
its in never EOS tier so im fine with it

>>712791425
What do you call the Fortnite battle pass experience

>>712791374
What do you want for a gacha?
>waifu
>braindead gameplay
>login and play for maximum 20 minutes a day

>>712790689
>what you're saying is that all gaming is, ultimately, strictly about buying games. nothing else about the game matters, just that you spent money on it. gameplay? doesn't matter.
No, retard, because when you're charged by an entry fee nothing BUT the gameplay matters anymore. The profit motive for the developer is to ensure you like the game as much as possible, so you'll tell others and buy their next game. The gameplay exists to entertain you.
For a f2p game, the profit motive is to make you spend money. Everything else only matters in service to convincing you to spend more. Therefore, everything in a gatcha game including the gameplay IS about the gambling. The gameplay exists to make you gamble.

>>712767452
same here

>>712791425
>GAMBLING IS THE CORE PART OF THE OVERALL EXPERIENCE
no it's not

>>712791374
in terms of f2p friendly + fanservice + (you) pandering
browndust >azur lane > snowbreak >>>> blue archive >>>>everyone else

for coom, go by the amount of doujins and danbooru tags

>>712791374
i like gfl 2

>>712767452
Isn't BA gameplay more intune for raids and pvp?

>>712791530
A method of promoting long-term engagement with the game, but crucially one that doesn't have a direct impact on the game because it is a flat payment per season. It pushes you to engage more with the game artificially because you need to grind out what you "already paid for", but the influence flows FROM your purchase TO the gameplay rather than the other way around. Shitty manipulative gameplay isn't capable of making anyone buy a battlepass for cosmetics.
Battlepasses are shit but they're a world better than gatcha shit.

>>712791649
this posts has literally zero logic contained in it, all games want you to play so they try to be appealing and entertaining
how they make money is usually completely irrelevant to the experience of the game itself

>>712791740
>FGO is very heavy fanservice, higher than Nikke
Anon I

don't mind me just posting this hungry cub

>>712791530
exploitation of people suspectible to fomo to boost ""engagement"", really it's just monetized dailies
such the external rewards are not simply about "making the most value" in terms of purely in-game rewards, but also actual monetary value
dunno much about that tactic desu, i don't play online shooters
>>712791731
why is the very name of the genre derived from gachapon then?

you can't convince a gachatard the the entire point of a gacha is to get you to roll more gacha

>>712791813
>n-nuh uh, i-it's just wrong
>I won't actually address what you're saying at its core though
Nah, gotta try harder than that.
If a game has a gambling mechanic, the developers are directly financially incentivized to intentionally drive the player to gamble via the gameplay. This is not the case for a game bought upfront.
You cannot deny my post without denying these facts.

>>712791909
there's only room for one cute animal autist in the harem

>>712791740
>browndust
>(you) pandering
niggah...

>>712791963
because it has a mechanism for profit built into the game
the game is a game though, separate from that mechanism

>>712792032
it's funny that you literally cannot critically think

>>712791740
i mean i was right about the other 2 categories. f2p and fanservice

>>712791740
I don't recognize half of these icons.
Top to bottom, list them off.

I like Heaven Burns Red. Too bad the global version didn't get any attention whatsoever.

>>712791740
You can get almost every character in GFL with f2p though.
The only thing you have to pay is their costumes.

I just like TD games and by nature of being a gacha there's a slow but steady stream of new maps and towers. And the fact it's JP only means it'll never be relevant on /vee/
>>712791740
>stops at borderline porn

>>712792176
>it's funny that you literally cannot critically think
You know, I genuinely thought you were just retarded. You're not even saying enough to get someone mad, just being blandly dumb. You gotta get much better at baiting.

>>712740545 (OP)
Limbass is so easy the current final boss of the story can be beaten with base units and never touching the gatcha.
https://youtu.be/jA3wVft9Y60?si=IQtvfETs_-Fye1Xn

>>712792176
>has a mechanism for profit built into the game
>game is [...] separate from that mechanism
anon, how did you fuck up your own point, that's the most basic formal logic there is
how can a subset of a system be seperate from a system?

>>712792389
>>712792473
you're unironically trying to argue that people play games to spend money, instead of them playing them because they are fun.
you are mentally challenged

>>712783692
Don't bother, Limbus is a disappointment on all fronts, including the story.

>>712792513
(you)

Orisries let's me rape your bitch and send you pictures of her defiled body

>>712783692
Limbus is a downgrade compared to Ruina
Canto 1->4 are all forgettable slop
Canto 5 is women writing with "my imaginary whale that caused me trauma and hurt my feeling is more important than a literal giant whale that is a force of nature"
Canto 6 is only good if you have never played Ruina. If you played it, it just destroys the lore Ruina established
Canto 7 is all hype and aura, and the ending and events happen afterward just demonstrate how real character development is too much of an asking in gacha games

>>712792262
i dunno anon, the rates make it look like they just copied genshin.

>>712789090
>Almost never true.
It's been 5 years, and Genshin's original free units are still absolute monsters who rival even the Archons in their bestestness.

>>712747375
still have more gameplay than any souls game

>>712793169
>real character development is too much of an asking in gacha games
Correct.
I don't play gachaslop for "good writing", I play it so my harem of hot anime girls can suck my dick in all ways, including physical, while I foil the villain because I'm just too cool.

>>712740545 (OP)
Limbus at least is getting increasingly P2W every few months with slower and slower releases, but the limbabs are getting boiled slowly enough to slurp it up anyway

>>712783692
it good when it has content argruablely better story than ruina but i wish it was a real game or just a vn

>>712793240
Not anymore, 5.0 finally ushered in tangible powercreep. The upcoming abyss mode will be incompletable for f2ps or even dolphins apparently.
It sucks that Chongyun is the worst out of that bunch, he's pretty fun overall.

>>712791740
>GF2 below GF1 and PNC on the fanservice scale

>>712793380
But slower chapter release means they get less battle pass money

>>712793380
i fucking hate collab eating devtime for other mode and story of the game it not help that the director is a mentally ill man child with poor time management
it just incompetent

>>712793528
director it a retarded mark that want to use his money to do a one-sided collab purely so he could play with his new toys and make it as long as a intervallo

>>712793459
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu_eDxflkMc

>>712741751

>>712740545 (OP)
Because they need to rope more prospective whales into their game to stave off the EOS, which would mean that all their waifus are lost forever. Gacha games are the ultimate form of you'll own nothing slop.

>>712793892

>>712740735
You forgot when all they do is post images of characters looking sexy but never post the gameplay because they know the gameplay is probably one of the worst piles of shit out there.
Usually with an auto battle function so they don't even play their game.

>>712740545 (OP)
>>712740735
FPBP

>>712793328
Why wouldn't you play actual H-games at this point? At least some of them have good gameplay.

>>712793380
Nigger, the threads are unusable and filled with doomposting.

>>712794325
>extra sets of people on that counter-edit
There's definitely no one as insecure as your average gachafag in the 21st century

>>712791740
Can someone name the borderline porn games
For research purposes

>>712740545 (OP)
i can speak for nikke and thats about it
>gameplay isnt complex but its unique enough for a mobile game to be worth a mention
>free units are mid, good starters and nothing more. only anis has endgame use in pvp
>story is good from the first chapter
>its good, yes. this is bad?

play nikke

>>712794325

>>712794892

>>712748048
nikke? nah youre retarded

so from the regular gacha threads that get posted here, this is what their endgame based levels look like
https://youtu.be/btIoyBHN0WY?si=Imh8747nUUNU7sW5&t=263
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQVbdvaTZ8I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XJD-3VNJcU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRMyUYFhcxA
https://youtu.be/Nc1BJqTZ3NU?si=pBPnt--j-Ty0kKr2&t=1614
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQGRNv2sXtQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL04v0Tm5fM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5h8iErtK4k
how are we ranking the gachas based off the gameplay here?

>>712795568
It's kind of mindblowing how much higher budget hoyo games are lol. Different universes yet people classify them all the same, so retarded.

>>712740545 (OP)
The iphone came out when I was in highschool and I still have not played a game of any kind on a phone, let alone a gacha game. I skipped flappy bird, I skipped angry birds, I skipped puzzle and dragons, I skipped crossy road, I skipped pokemon go, I skipped among us, and I'm skipping gacha slop as well. This shit is for normies.

>>712740545 (OP)
My gacha's just like the other games. The gameplay's just like slay the spire and scamco will give you no SSRs unless you're a japanese guy who likes posting their rolls on twitter a lot, but the free idols are alright
The story's not so deep but honestly, these fantasy gachas try so fucking hard, especially the chink ones
The music's less idol-ish than the previous titles, and lean more into Jpop if you're into that
Soundtrack's underrated, to be honest. I like the ska/jazz shit they have going on

>>712795568
And here's an endgame FGO quest lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPyxrvdm28U

>>712742402
idk why vidya butts was there in the first place. GFL1 is a lot more fair compared to any gacha of the time and any gacha now. just super time consuming. as much as GFL "fits" the meme, something like Nikke actually ends up being that meme for the most part. Nikke doesn't have a deep story, especially the first moments of the story are so cliche and played so fast that it's funny. It's barely complex, most of its complexity comes in the form of "unit damage is tied to FPS because Korean devs... sorry..." The free units are shit. And Nikke is absolutely not generous until you finally make it past the wall. It fits the meme to the tee. The music is the only pass, since it's got a diverse array of artists they commission.

What was the name of that one gooner gacha game that had 3D models sort of

>>712796520
You have to be a bit more specific

>>712793503
Won't the abyss mode be co-op atleast?

>>712783692
You generally need only a battlepass in limbus, which is around 10 bucks. So, with current temp, 30 will last you for 2-3 years. Early adopters can have all units by only buying pass every season. And only pull on Walpurgis.

>>712795568
>button masher
>button masher
>button masher
>autoplayer
>>>>>>>>>>escort mission
>autoplayer
>autoplayer
>win-rate

>>712796940
The hardest mode isn't and it's for whales only, afaik they get weapon skins for doing it. One leaker said 40 million HP bosses so this is gigawhale shit only.

>>712796669
>>712796520
i think its horizon walker, buts its turn-based combat

>>712794906
Last Origin is one

>>712741825
>fuck gachiggers and give them a containment board
Why waste server space, just give gachatrannies a permaban instead

>>712740545 (OP)
idk i just have fun

>Play FGO on 2018
>suddenly lost interest in 2022(i dont know why)
>finally playing PC games(mostly JRPG)
>KT/Atelier announced gacha
>played it until it got EOS recently
>instead of finally fully playing PC games again, i went back as jumping through hoops just to play JP server.
I dunno man, i'm quite retarded if you ask me.

>>712794892
The severe mental breakdown 80% of them goes through when their FOTM waifu's optimal team needs a male character says all you need to know

>>712761540
>the appeal of gacha is the social element and memes
BRO i only smoke marihuana with my friends BROO weed is like healthy actually BRO IT'S JUST for memes and the social element broo

>>712744195
I hate gacha slop as much as the other guy but you are retarded if you think these games don't attract actual financial wales. In fact, they exist and maintain success especially due to this minority of autistic, dedicated consoomers. If you had played any f2p game you'd know it's pretty much the same dynamics at work in gacha games' case.

>>712763350
>>712776898
>>712798693
it's so funny how mad you get over nothing
gacha gods have so much fun while you just seethe

>>712740545 (OP)
Limbus is the worst thing I’ve ever played

>dante finally got added to this stupid image
>it's his iconic canto 1 end credits pose
kek

>>712740545 (OP)
Any gachafag that tries to sell you on story is a retard.
These games have by far the biggest case of ludonarrative dissonance imaginable, your party of characters is not reflected in the story at all and often times you'll be using units hours and hours before you even canonically meet them in the story.
Imagine playing FF7 but you just have Cid there in every battle during the Midgar section - no one acknowledges him and you still have the scene where you meet him in Rocket Town, but once gameplay switches over there he is every time.
And let's not even get into the amount of one time events that further the story too but are no longer available.

>>712774372
The casino equivalent would be a casino giving you the exact prize you want after 100 tries, and tries only cost money if you refuse to hang out at the bar where they hand out free tickets.

>>712799241
not in limbus
take the L unc

>>712799482
except there's still a video game attached to it all
you don't play gachas just to roll, you roll for like 5 minutes once every couple of weeks at worst

>>712799760
>THIS ONE PIECE OF SHIT ISNT AS STINKY AS THE OTHER PIECES OF SHIT HAHA TAKE THE L FR FR
Kill yourself gatcha addicted zoomer

>>712799783
Fine. Only the slot machine costs money, and it only costs money if you refuse to play all the other casino games that are free and give you slot machine tickets.

>>712790828
finally someone posted best game

>>712799783
That's a rich way of framing it considering the daily playtime of your average gacha game for non-paying users is like what? 20 minutes?
Add it all up and you're rolling every 2 hours of playtime or so.

>>712799928
kek mad

>>712799928
>>THIS ONE PIECE OF SHIT ISNT AS STINKY AS THE OTHER PIECES OF SHIT HAHA TAKE THE L FR FR
this but unironically

>>712799978
but casinoa games are just to waste money on hoping to get rich
gachas are video games with stories and gameplay

>>712800010
what point are you trying to make other than you're just guessing how much people play video games daily(why even guess? you have no idea).

>>712799978
The difference is what you manage to cash out of the casino is yours to keep. With gachas EOS eventually wipes EVERYTHING. It's like if the casino went bankrupt, all players would have to return their winnings to be ritually burned.

my husband is coming out in 2 weeks

>>712740545 (OP)
>like kingdom hearts, even nomura's gay writing
>permanently linked to stupid gatchashit
>like fate but only when its Nasu's brand of autism
>he's permanently a gatcha writer now
fuck all of you for funding this shit and encouraging artists to work on it

>>712743423
Granblue is the one where the entire playerbase will tell you not to play it because it's just a second job and an F5-pressing simulator

>>712802930
seethe at the retarded japanese

>>712747375
The Blue Archive player is immunized against all crticism: one may call him a gambling addict, coomer, sexpest, pedophile, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But ask for gameplay and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

>>712743423
>Granblue
>generous
Wasn't it the reason for the pity system in all gacha games existing at all? Because they were exposed as greedy fucks?

>>712792232
The client keeps crashing aghhhhhh

>>712741747
It's basically a pyramid scheme.

>>712741747
>>712804456
it's just fun, we're social creatures

>tfw still play Epic Seven
You're allowed to laugh at me, I deserve it.

>>712740925
You arent wrong, but isnt every game outside maybe strategy/city sim/any non character based game you playing with a virtual doll you control?

>>712747375
Like this!
I got combat animations turned off because they get annoying (lol

>>712752220
I would say more something like NGS where all of the gacha is just more stuff options to add to your character creator customization while all the gameplay is perfectly free.

>>712766510
How you liking the mistake that is affix team meta, skk? Fucking hell they added a new type of affix with the new bianca in CN too

>>712791136
GFL1 being arguably a notgacha didn't have to suffer from this as they didn't make you pull for units, update cycle was not regular at all and they had a lot of freedom to write the story in whichever way they wanted.
GFL2 fucked it up because they went forward with the characters centric short patch format and they can't be bothered to move the plot more than a single inch if it isn't about the character. It's awful.
How did late PNC handle the story? I hope they stop doing this shit, all they do is milk the players with returning characters and the ones they brought new have been benched horribly.

>>712804765
I stopped playing after the book where they go to hell and they fight skeleton people with jelly bodies. Is the powercreep still awful or did they fix it?

>>712803267
that was Fate iirc. Granblue was bad too but it was the monkey incident that cemented pity/spark as the unwritten rule.

>>712740545 (OP)
Nikke FGO and Limbus unironically have better story and writing than most "Real" games from the last two decades
Nikke OST is amazing, one of the few games I have its soundtrack in my playlist. Gacha games in general have great OST it is the one thing you can't shit on

I actually like the team building elements of some gacha games like Nikke and pokemon masters
When you have 150 units and you need to make 5 distinct teams and figuring out the best synergy for the event boss

>>712774223
Skill issue

>>712808946
Tell me you haven't played any game from the last two decades without telling me you haven't played any game from the last two decades.
Fucking Hentai Prison has better story and writing than both Limbus and Nikke.

>>712755660
post#?

>>712808946
>Limbus
No it doesn't. It's a worse version of Ruina, which was a worse version of LobCorp.
>FGO
Both Tsukihime and F/SN had awful writing, so I seriously doubt it.

Captcha: YWANK

>>712810918
>Tsukihime
While I agree that the overall writing wasn't the best, the story was amazing and you can't argue with that.

>>712800191
Nigga do you think it's a secret that every gacha game has an energy system that stops you from playing after half an hour unless you pay up like a good little piggy?

>>712811378
Watch him respond with
>b-but some modes don't require e-energy!
kek

>>712808946
>Nikke FGO and Limbus unironically have better story and writing than most "Real" games from the last two decades
While I agree, I wish these games weren't gacha
Nikke especially needs a 3D game, the cast is so likable to be stuck in a VN style game. An anime also would do

>>712791797
Yeah. The regular missions are mostly just a level check, something you'll just unlock as you play. The raids/pvp can actually be tough and require you to play with student combinations and ex move timings. PvP is automated (you deploy the team but don't get to actively control them afterwards) but also comes down to your team building and doesn't need to follow a strict meta.

I've only played a couple other gacha otherwise (ZZZ and GF/GF2) so my range is pretty limited, but I can honestly say that I find BA to be pretty fun.

>>712767607
I and I don't lewd most of my students.

>>712740545 (OP)
Well the thing about Genshin Impact is that if you don't engage with the Gacha at all your experience with the game is only mildly different than someone who spends thousands on it. Like there's no story content locked behind the gacha, the only thing you get is some cosmetic skin and a mildly different moveset. The fucking meta exists only for some endless grind mode for stupid people.

>like women only
>take a peak in genshin's male characters
>fap to them now
What the fuck happened

>>712812546
Pride month do something to a nigga...

>>712813140
no no that's been happening for like, a year...and I haven't even touched the game

>>712812546
You got anal worms, stop eating carbs / meat and take worm pills, you will ungay yourself in like a month

>>712813424
what pills do you rec

>>712810632
Oh yeah the typical loop of
>This game I never talk about has better X than the current thread game!