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Huge amounts of input lag, poor analog stick sensitivity (especially bad in F-Zero GX), artifacts and inaccuracies, and poor de-interlacing.
What a complete dumpster fire. Basically unplayable.
I played F-Zero GX and it plays exactly like the Gamecube version that i still have and played a few weeks ago
>>712740884 (OP)And N64 emulation has horrible audio issues.
This is just unacceptable.
>>712740884 (OP)>buying switch 2>to play gamecube games on it
just sue the dolphin developers and steal their shit, easy as that
>>712740952Either retarded or falseflag
bro its fine dude... just do a weed first bro just chill its fine... i dont even notice it its cool man
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>he paid real money for a subscription service for 25 year old rom files on a poorly-coded emulator
>>712740884 (OP)You get what you deserve for buying a Switch 2. You're Nintendo's bitch now so get used to it.
Why are zoomers so afraid of original hardware?
>>712740884 (OP)only wind waker has input lag, fzero and soul calibur work fine
faggot
>>712741224>fzero and soul calibur work fineNo the fuck they don't retard
>>712741172Retarded "collectors" overcharging for old hardware
>>712740884 (OP)can't wait for melee lmao
Maybe i'm silly but I thought input lag was an online thing only
>>712740884 (OP)>>712740961>some tranny on Bluesky is upset the game isn't 100% perfect with zero input lagThis deserved a thread, why?
Reminder that Nintendo prohibits hiring anyone who worked on fan emulators to develop their in house product so they rely on some random Europeans straight out of school mixed with Japanese boomers who don't even want these games to be emulated to shit out their product. They have emulators that have 20+ year old performance issues in them because of this. As in, fans found and fixed the issues with emulation decades ago and Nintendo has them in their in house ones.
>>712741224Die shill
https://youtu.be/Q2hQVoWkSyk
>implying tendies have enough standards to notice such a thing
Hell, they don't even play NSO games. They pay for the subscription, pick a new dripfed game, play it for 10 minutes for the nostalgia, and then never touch it again.
just buy a gamecube brokie
>>712741313>the game isn't 100% perfect with zero input lagWhy not?
>>712740884 (OP)>poor de-interlacingWhy is it deinterlacing at all? Is that a PAL version only issue?
>>712741224>its ok that a flagship title on CG is badly emulated on switch because um... the other games are done well I swear!You are paying money to emulate shit that they have the source to. It is worse than the free service. There is no fucking excuse, it should be objectively better. Get nintendos dick out of your mouth.
>>712741303Have you tried not being poor? I play my PS2 on my 4K OLED with a RetroTink 4k ($750) and component cables and it looks fantastic. It doesn't even matter how expensive the games are, because you can just resell them later if you want for the same or usually more.
>>712741409>2 framesyou call that fucking input lag, nigger?
>>712741443As intended. The entire point of NSO is to promote the newest entries in the series they put up there. They want tendies to play Wind Waker, go "erm oh my science where is the magic tool where I can make a flaming dick statue" and then go back to Tears of the Kingdom (now at an inconsistent 60fps with an app)
>>712740884 (OP)>Switch 2 is garbage Kek, pedos get what they deserve.
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>renting roms
>>712740884 (OP)>nintendo is lazy and inept wow i didnt see this one coming
>paying for roms that will be gone when the storefront gets shut down when the next console releases the shit you retards pay for
>>712740884 (OP)how much delay is there actually?
>>712741704It's 3-4 frames. Wireless has "lower" input lag but worse deviation so is actually worse.
But yes, 2 frames of input lag is massive on top of what the game already has.
>>712740884 (OP)>can copyright Yuzu & Ryujinx code>Switch 2 has perfect backwards compatibility>cannot steal N64 & Gamecube emulation code>has poor N64 & Gamecube emulationmakes you think
>>712740884 (OP)Honestly at this point, we need government intervention to stop this shit.
Too many of you faggots bought this shit anyways. Too many faggots saw the overprice tablet/underpowered console, the $80 games with tons of cut content, the paid online, the shitty paid for emulators, the lack of physical media, etc. and gave the OK for it anyways.
Voting with your wallet clearly doesnโt work so we need legislators to step and prevent Nintendo and other game companies from this shitty behavior.
fastest selling console of all time btw
>>712741919>Switch 2 has perfect backwards compatibilityNo, a ton of games have issues, even ones they claimed didn't. It's a hacky patchwork.
>>712741685>Have you tried not being poor?I don't buy overpriced shit on principle.
>>712741919N64 and GC emulators suck on ARM devices too
>>712741303Retro videogames are an investment that you can also play and enjoy.
It's like saying gold or index funds are too expensive, stop acting stupid.
hehehehe...
volvagina........
MiSTer + PS2 + hacked Wii + PS3 + Xbox Series BC + PS5 gang
Lmfao at renting poorly emulated roms
>>712741704>sir, where would you like these goalposts
>mindbroken haters grasping for straws so hard they're trying to convince people 2 frames of delay are unplayable
>That's okay Nintendo, I understand we are at the end of graphical improvements. That just means its gonna be easier for you to port all your old games!
>right?
>right Nintendo?
>Even after paying for a subscription for games I already own?
>>712741704if you are measuring input lag in multiple frames you have already blown it considerably.
>>712741959until the next console comes out, and then the next, and then the next, and the nextโฆ
>hmm, we've had near-perfect gamecube emulation for years and I can play all these old games right now for basically free
>I KNOW I WILL SPEND FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARYDOOS ON A WALLED ECOSYSTEM DEVICE AND BUY A SUBSCRIPTION FOR AN ONLINE SERVICE OF A COMPANY THAT TREATS ME LIKE GARBAGE
I don't get it
>>712740952>>712741313>>712741704>>712742254Are these falseflaggers or are tendies really like this..?
>>712740952Came here to post this it feels exactly the same.
>>712740884 (OP)A fool and their money....
>>712740884 (OP)You will buy it anyway who cares?
Don't forget to rant about some early access game that is unoptimized to shit but hits 1.0 and good optimization in a year just like Nintendo but never.
>>712742254the switch 1 when docked already had like 150ms of input lag. it was already unplayable on its own
>>712742254I'm not usually one to notice delay. But I remember trying to play Pikmin on the Dolphin emulator years back. And I couldn't throw my pikmin at normal speed, because of really bad input delay.
So if Switch 2's emulation is anything like that, then I would say it's unacceptable.
>>712741704you literally pay for worse performance. you should be paying for a better product, not a worse one.
Most normal people don't notice 8 frames of delay which is way fighting games aren't a normal genre because they couldn't reasonably react to a -21 on block move
>what do you mean the video game does not process my input the very frame the controller sends the signal?
you are unqualified to talk about video games
>>712741938Based Nintendo mega list
>>712742601I do though, every shmup port on Switch besides Mushihimesama is unplayable to me.
F-Zero GX is literally fine.
>>712740884 (OP)>the shitty refurbished Toshiba laptop from 2016 I keep for work can run Dolphin better than this
>>712742987It's three frames more, retard. That's abysmal
>People sperging out over a still image and the word of a literal who
NDS in full swing
>>712740884 (OP)>>712740961works fine for me, blueshite tranny must not know he can change his monitor/tv settings to get rid of input delay.
>>712742694This. It's a feature that pressing the button takes 1 second for the video game to process the input! You just don't get video games.
>>712741172Impractical and inconvenient, emulation is good enough 80% of the time.
>>712742731>Nintendo executive: "How do we beat Sony">"By actually making our console available at launch?">"GENIUS! GIVE THIS MAN A RAISE"
>>712741172Gee! is almost like buying vintage consoles is actually several orders of magnitude MORE EXPENSIVE than buying new hardware or something!
good for you for being a rich asshole, but emulation of old systems is necessary or else, millions upon millions of games will be lost forever.
>>712741710People who play games.
>>712740884 (OP)Works on my machine
>>712743256People who care should be exclusively using wired controllers and CRTs
>>712743205What the hell are you talking about? You can get a cheap Wii for like $30
>>712743147You can't, 3 frames minimum is inherent to the Switch 2 emulation dumbass.
>>712740884 (OP)The GCN controller feels a lot rougher than the original. Feels like my hands will get scratched from how rough the plastic feels.
>>712743205PS2s are like $30 and CRTs are easily found free. Shut the fuck up
>>712742365NTA, but I cannot tell when a game has input delay because I just adjust. I don't understand how some people get motion sickness if the game is under 60fps. They must have weak genes.
>3rd party emulation is better than "1st" party
beyond grim
>>712744212Motion sickness occurs when the brain expects one movement outcome and gets another instead. It's why when people were kids playing those old games, they didn't get motion sickness but they do now because so many modern games play so similarly that going back to the old games defies how your brain thinks things should be moving. Your brain adjusts over time.
>>712740884 (OP)Yeah, that's Switch and its emulators alright. Switch itself suffers from input lag.
https://youtu.be/4MDpzGZBnH8?t=231
erm...doodz???
>>712741172>Why are zoomers so afraid of original hardware?An original ps2 costs hundreds of dollars and every game is even more expensive than the console itself, so if you didn't have that console when it was current, you're basically in for spending a gorillion dollars to have what is basically a worse experience than just booting up an emulator in your pc.
>>712741313Why should it not have perfect emulation?
>>712741172You know, I *could* get my old tv from my parent's place, and I *could* hook up my N64 and Gamecube to it, but why would I?
I want to play the games. Using an emulator on my laptop that takes up very little space is absolutely sufficient. I don't want to make or have to make room for another large box that I don't even use every day (because the family tv had a primary function that wasn't vidya).
People who have dedicated "retro" gaming setups are "enthusiasts" who don't do anything else, or have sex, for that matter.
It's literally the same tier as audiophiles. It's not about the music, it's about everything else BUT the music.
>>712743546Woah. 3 whole frames? I'm absolutely pissing and shitting myself in rage right now. This lag is UNBEARABLE.
>>712741172They probably don't suffer crippling nostalgia for this abortion.
>>712741704>Why yes, I love paying money for worse performanceYou have a girlfriend, faggot? Ill let you pay me to watch me fuck her
>>712744736oh no bros nso shows the invite code how will my adult daycare streamer cope with this fact
>>71274473615 frames? lmao
>>712745024if you feel that way then move the fuck on, there's no reason to even play the game
>>712745067>this paid product being worse than pirated emulation is actually ok, my wifes boyfriend said so!
>>712744736what does this sperg know about network engineering? netcode is just a buzzword thrown around by autistic fucks who dont know what they re talking about.
>>712745201Pic very much related, cubies aren't human.
>>712745120I'll pay you to fuck her, but only if there's no input delay
>>712745024Because I have a Carby for my Gamecube I "don't do anything else"? What the fuck is this post?
>>712745314Theres never any input delay with me, gaurenteed
>>712745314Ill have her cumming on frame 1
>>712745024Nigga really rolled up on 4chan and went "u virgin" lmaooo
>>712745094I've seen cubies argue that this is the best controller ever made. Worst yet, I couldn't refute them because they only ever played Nintendo consoles.
>>712741919>can copyright Yuzu & Ryujinx codeThey didn't do that, they do however have a copyright on the title keys and product keys required to get the games to boot on Yuzu and Ryujinx. The only reason those emulators got taken down was because the retards were distributing them on their official discord channels (discord is a known honeypot so why they were using that for piracy is 100% hindsight on their part) instead of doing what other emulators do and let rom sites handle it for them.
Besides, it's not like Switch 1 emulators stopped existing after those died.
>>712741959And that's good... why?
>>712745978more sales means good console
>>712741172Because there's no need for it in the age of emulation.
>>712740961>>712740884 (OP)>the sound and input doesn't register at 0.000001MS like in every speed running video nintendo is shit how dare you charge money for this REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEThe average person playing this won't notice and won't care. Poorfag.
>>712740884 (OP)Its fine, stop spreading snoy propaganda.
>>712740884 (OP)>sees one person from pedosky/reddit complaining about the switch 2>NDS fags: "What a complete dumpster fire. Basically unplayable"Yaaaawn
>>712740884 (OP)Wow
That's unacceptable
They better fix this with the Switch 3 I will buy day one, otherwise I will be very bitter and DEMAND that this will be fixed with the Switch 4 that I will also buy day one
>>712746365Yes man, don't expect quality ever. So true.
>>712746920>don't expect quality everI expect quality within the realm of reality. Wii and Wii U both had a GameCube inside it, which is why it could play those natively without emulating them. The Switch 2 only has Switch 2 hardware in it so it has to emulate GameCube games which comes with input lag because of the display.
Even your precious Steam Deck has the same input lag when it emulates GameCube games you fucking dork.
>>712740952some people are just too retarded to notice input lag.
>Gamecubesnoys seethe at Nintendo and the Switch for years
>Nintendo gives them their shitty outdated games for free
>they find something else to whine about
What is the point of pandering to snoys when they seethe at Nintendo no matter what?
How the fuck are people playing gx with digital triggers? Sounds awful
>>712746920Don't expect it from Nintendo if it's something technically complex in any way.
>>712740884 (OP)>input lagOnly matters shmups
>>7127419172 frames is literally nothing
>>712743205you people are so fucking unpleasant good grief
>>712740884 (OP)>>712740961Works fine on my machine. Cope, PCvegan
>>712741172Because they are literally underage and don't know that you can get a good job as early as 16 years old and one week will be enough to get you one of those "retro consoles" all these people online are talking about and try them out for themselves. Yes, zoomers are that useless.
>>712740884 (OP)>>712740961The kinds of people who buy into NSO are too stupid to notice or care anyway and Nutendo knows that.
>>712740884 (OP)Are you people ever happy?
Just play the fucking games.
>>712748417*buys a year of PS++*
>>712740884 (OP)Not surprising. Nintendos emulation gets worse and worse every new console, because their fans allow them to get away with it.
>>712740884 (OP)>>712740961Cubesnoys literally complain about everything, holy shit. They're "games" always ran horribly.
>>712742345don't forget, they only get to play the games nintendo allows them to
Does anyone besides cubesnoys even care about Gamecube?
>consoletards pay a monthly fee to get the same experience as poorly coded emulators from 2006
why tho
>>712741409Christ. Its not even slowed down yet you can still see the lag.
>>712741172Too expensive to get into, all of the good games are $300+
>>712743076Dolphin runs on pretty much anything remotely "modern" now.
>>712740884 (OP)Try playing pikmin 3 deluxe, a switch game, on the switch 2
No refunds tendie
>>712748536I am, just not on the switch 2.
oh wow i'm so mad right now, oh wait i'm not since i didn't waste money on Nintendo's awful shit and just emulated like smart person would
>>712740884 (OP)Works on my machine (phone)
>>712745837It is the most comfortable controller ever made. If only someone made a version with two bumpers, select button and a home button I'd buy it in heartbeat. Maybe a better DPAD as well, although if'd want to play a DPAD game I'd just use my 8BitDo Pro 2 controller.
>>712749293Snoy here, I care about the chadcube but I am not mentally ill enough to play them on the Shitch 2
>inb4 hurf durf kys emulator trannyActually, all I did was connect my external HDD to my PC and open it on Dolphin. I play all this shit on my Wii
>>712749774shit forgot my pic now i sound retarded
>>712740884 (OP)I played SoulCalibur 2 a few days ago and it felt perfectly fine.
Some people just look for things to be upset about.
>>712749714>Maybe a better DPAD as wellthe switch 2 gamecube controller actually has a different dpad that's completely superior to the original, not mushy as hell
>>712740884 (OP)Emulation always fucking sucks and I'm never paying money for games that are emulated.
Make proper fucking ports if you want to charge money for them.
>>712741390why not hire japanese? thats weird
>>712749901This, I am having a blast
Imagine if the Gamecube had rhythm games on it, apologists would be in shambles, Donkey Konga was the only notable one off the top of my head but good luck playing it with no bongos.
>>712749714an Xbox controller is more comfortable
>>712750085The OG fat one maybe.
Well at least you can be sure that if you see nintendo fan complaining about emulation quality of other devices you can rest assured that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
>>712750076>Donkey Konga was the only notable one off the top of my head but good luck playing it with no bongos.It has a controller mode.
>>712750006They don't have the talent. There's a big cultural stigma against emulation.
>>712745201GC's gamepad is utter dogshit, same with the N64.
>>712750235people study emulation in college? that sounds like a weird focus for a programmer. hardly any money
>>712750202Yeah I hardly remembered there was a no-controller mode, I had the first one and then 2 I never got around to playing as I had moved on the the PS2 for my rhythm gaming needs at that point. Good catch,
>>712750235>There's a big cultural stigma against emulation.They're still not over losing the Bleem! lkawsuit huh, ouch.
>>712744914Big brain pattern recognition.
>>712748564Paying for your own internet for any of these jews is a clear sign of mental retardation.
>>712740884 (OP)Unreal that tendies actually expected the Switch 2 to be any different in that regard. Are you people fucking retarded?
>>712744212>I cannot tell when a game has input delay because I just adjust.Ok then go record yourself doing the shooting gallery in OoT. Go ahead, we'll wait for you.
>>712750297I don't think anyone officially studies that kind of emulation in college, but it's not that far off from a lot of CS courses. Plenty of students do it on their own, too.
>>712750006Nigga, JAPANESE NIGGAS CANNOT CODE FOR SHIT
>>712744363>>3rd party emulation is better than "1st" party
there is no 3rd party emulation on switch 2
>>712741172My crt cost 20 dollars when I bought it. It sells for 900 on ebay now.
That's why. Zoomers have no money and no nostalgia for original hardware. I completely support them emulating to simply play games with none of the bullshit tangential to that.
Also piracy is annoying and more expensive on original hardware.
>>712741172The input lag is only noticeable if you're some faggot speedrunner doing some complicated 1/1000th of a frame trick
>>712741313>25 year old console>from the company that made it>Doesn't have perfect emulationYes, that's news and a titty/ass thread dying for it is a good thing Shitcher 2: Assassin's of Tendie's.
Everone who says GX is fine probably can't even get past Ch 5 on original hardware and still thinks he can judge the quality.
...Nobody tell cubesnoys they're games we're always like this. Its kino watching them squirm.
>>712741172>$60+tip for hardware>$200+VAT+tip for physical gamesvs
>$0.00 (FREE) for hardware (emulator)>Plus>$0.00 (FREE) for games (ROM/ISO)GEE, ANON... I DUNNO...
>>712751498>i'm poor therefore i deserve free video gamesThis is the route /v/ is going now?
>>712740884 (OP)Okay since everyone here is apparently too mindbroken over consolewarring, let me explain what the fuck is going on.
Wind Waker DOES have serious input lag on NSO. It's shitty. Apparently this was the case for some N64 games back in the day, and it got patched. Hopefully it gets patched here as well.
>>712740952This is CORRECT. F-Zero and SC feel perfectly fine on NSO, no input lag. It's just Wind Waker for some fucking reason.
It's not the end of the world, Nintendo needs to fucking fix it though.
>>712740884 (OP)Have you tried using Game Mode?
>>712740884 (OP)>Expecting a company who can steal roms/emulation done by far better people and can't be sued because they 'own' the original material will actually do anything but lazily slap it on the store and reap the benefits whilst issues take down notices to the same thing they stoleWow, what a shocker.
>>712751208Tendies dont play games.
GX on emulation is definitely worse, tried at at a friends place, MTSC is much harder it feels wonky.
>>712751898>This is CORRECT. F-Zero and SC feel perfectly fine on NSO, no input lag.Wrong retard, see
>>712741409
>>712741258What's wrong with them?
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>>712740884 (OP)>>7127419172-4 frames is nothing. https://displaylag.com/video-game-input-lag-database/ lists the input lag for some fighting games, a genre where input lag is notoriously impactful. Even the fastest game listed there has an average input lag of over 4 frames.
>>712740884 (OP)how ist so hard to just buy a hp prodesk for 20 bucks and install batocera or something on it.
>>712741685the sheer retardation on display here is sad. as long as absolute mongoloids like this are allowed to vote, society will never recover
>>712750820it controls badly, I will do it on 3DS with gyro aim
>>712751898>apparently too mindbroken over consolewarringConsidering you have to make shit up in attempt to discredit the Switch 2.
The only one "mindbroken over consolewarring" is you, snoy.
>>712741172is this botted thread? zoomers ( me ) had CRT and PS1-PS2 era consoles, sadly my PS2 died so yeah fuck off with buying 10x the price on some tranny website
>>712751756post pc specs so I can laugh at you.
>>712751898>if I post a Zelda image, people won't realize I'm a snoy!Sad.
>>712752567are you being retarded on purpose? it's 2-4 ADDITIONAL frames to whats already there.
>>712750740Gamecube faggots complain about "DA TENDIES" and then proceed to wonder why they're called snoys so often.
>>712744831>hundreds of dollarsEven a working model should net you at worst 50 dollars
If you really wanna spend money on PS2 grab a japanese fat midel with a unique color, you can usually get them for cheap and if it's an SCPH-5000X model, it's possible to flash it to supports ntsc-U discs, only for PS2 games though.
switch1snoys sure are getting desperate to keep people on their outdated platform instead of just upgrading to switch 2 like everyone with a brain.
>>712753250>midel Model jfc
Everyone ITT getting mad over nothing when you could just say Nintendo is a dogshit company overcharging you for dogshit products that aren't worth the shitty services they run on shittily.
>>712741303maybe if you work minimum wage. If you have a big boy job you could probably buy every worthwhile ps2 game with around a months work
>>712753341switch 1 did this too, switch1snoy.
>>712741390Le open source.working as intended.
> Make a product for piracy> Can no longer work on it because piracy is actually illegal> No one can use it for anything else either because you put Stallman license on itMany such cases.
>>712740952I hope they don't patch it.
>>712753341if you are broke just say so
I'd sacrifice the Deck 2 existence if it means getting the Steam Controller 2 instead next,
>>712741172I'm a zoomer (98) and I love original hardware
There's also an N64 and a GC inside the TV stand
And I also have a DreamyCasta, Saturn, and a Super Famicom on storage
And yeah, I do play on a huge flatscreen with an upscaler. I can't be asked to find a good CRT
>>712740884 (OP)Good.
Fuck Nintendo, and fuck everyone who bought a switch 2 who heard about literally any of it's shortcomings before launch and got it anyways.
I keep getting ignored or brushed aside when I preach the good word of the virtual console, but look who was right. Feels good. I would hope Nintendo would notice, and attempt to revisit the virtual console, but if this timeline has taught me anything, I'm certain Nintendo will either a) do nothing, or b) double down
>>712740979I'd wager that many games from gc's library will likely be better than at least half of switch 2's games, assuming you're able to look past gimmicky shit like
>muh "4k" and "hdr"
>>712741172Man I really wish we could get a revival of old systems back on the market. I would fucking buy a 'new' PS2 and Dreamcast immediately if they have ALL of the games added on them.
>>712755154nta, but THIS.
Not this nes or snes mini shit, but if you offered me a N64, Dreamcast or Gamecube with the entire library built in, I'd buy one of each no matter the cost. Inb4
>lol just emulate poorfagThat's not the point, it's about the feeling of really revisiting these games, with refreshed hardware you don't have to worry about replacing or repairing. And because the file sizes for these are so low (until you go past PS2/GC gen), you wouldn't need a lot of storage either.
>>712750235>cultural stigma against emulation.ever heard of a VM faggot? what do you think apple's rosetta is? ever heard of virtual console?
>stigma against emulationthere's none. see above
>>712741830>Renting atoms from the Big BangMemento mori, motherfucker
>>712741409>wireless 7 frames>usb 9 framesThis is some unholy anti technology going on.
>>712743205>implying everyone with an older console had to pay an arm and a leg for itAnon, I know the concept might be a bit of a shock for you, but some people actually just have the system they bought decades ago. I have a SNES and PS2 and they both work just fine. I also have an N64 I havenโt used in a while but it worked too last time I used it.
>>712752696>it controls badlyOH GEE I WONDER WHY
>>712753013>non-answeri accept your concession
>>712740884 (OP)People really undersell the issue of input lag. They'll see it as not that big of a deal, but it makes the controls feel clunkier than they actually are, and people then think it's just because it's an old game and not ass emulation. OoT on Wii VC got a lot of shit for the aiming being terrible when in reality it was the fault of oversensitive controls and not the game's fault at all