Thread 712752612

When is it releasing?

We need it right now more than ever.

I don't want to buy a rog z1 extreme, no trackpad.
I literally can't play without a trackpad. So many games require it like fallout, stellaris and many shooters fps like tf2.

I'm selling my deck OLED and hopefully since I got it used I'll be able to get back the $450 I spent.

2027

>>712752612 (OP)
Valve can't even keep the deck in stock, it's still 1-2 years off as they wait for next generation amd hardware and maybe work on their arm compatibility layer. Maybe more if tariffs get even more retarded.

I'm so jaded by modern gaming slop that it could come next week and i wouldn't care to upgrade.

>>712752612 (OP)
Why would they make another one? They established the pc handheld and can wait for other companies to do the hardware.

>>712753207
There are games that dont play well on the deck like triple A, such as red dead 2 or elden ring.

Sub 60fps for a $600 device isn't really acceptable in 2025. It wasn't even acceptable in 2023 or whenever the deck OLED released by valve shills are cultists.

Now when valve releases the deck 2 that can acutally play these games at 800p or closest equivalent at normal settings I'll be impressed. If they release a 1080p 16:9 model I'll just set it to 1600x900p and game. Let's hope they don't do something retarded like make it an 8" screen because that would be stupid as hell.

They should just keep the 800p 7.4" OLED and upgrade the processor.

>>712752808
Just buy a Legion Go homie. It just went on sale for $500 during the Switch 2 launch. Granted the sale is over but if you're buying used you'll see it for around that.
>>712752871
This. We need UDNA and FSR 4/5. The wait will be worth it anon.
>>712753089
Nobody believes me but running AMD on a Deck 2 just as an excuse to get Nvidia running well on Linux would be a very Valve thing to do. We'd benefit from DLSS, cuda, ARM power consumption, etc.

Aside from the obvious hardware upgrades, what could they improve with the SD2?
If it was basically the same device but just stronger and the same/better battery life as the OLED, I'd be happy with that. Maybe bump it up to 1080p but it's not that huge of a deal for me personally.

>steam deck sold 4 million units in 3 years
>switch 2 sold 4 million units in 1 week

>>712753732
>Running Nvidia on a Deck 2*

>>712753770
We know, they are all here coping about their buyers remorse.

>>712753616
This, i'm probably just getting the non-Xbox Z2E Rog Ally 2, delete winblows 11 and just install steamOS

>>712752612 (OP)
>We need it right now more than ever.
speak for yourself. deck mogs switch/switch 2 but PC + hacked 3DS is literally all you need. what the fuck is the point of a big ass handheld

>>712752612 (OP)
Probably in 2028, since the Switch 2 is within the same "ballpark" as Steamdeck 1 there's no need for Steamdeck 2 right now. Also it's main advantage of being all around cost effective drops if the next gen comes out and cost the same as the $700-800 Rog ally.

>>712753732
>Just buy a Legion Go
No trackpad on the same level as the deck.

Deck has support for trigger dampening where when you hold the left trigger the mouse trackpad slows down to aim more precisely

I just want a fucking deck but 2-3x more powerful.

>>712752612 (OP)
Get the equivalent from one of those other brands doing it?
>Noooooo it needs daddy Gabens seal of approval

theyll release it after GTA6 comes out when it has just enough gas to run the game poorly

>>712753770
And yet the Steam Deck Oled rapes the Switch 2 in screen quality, battery life and usability. Flies on shit.
>>712753769
16:10 and VRR are a given, but SteamOS could do with some improvements too. I'm glad Microsoft is upping their game to motivate the SteamOS team. The verified system needs to be re-evaluated, more features from Decky should straight up be native features like themes/UI customization, opening a web browser should be a basic one click function in the side menu. Things like that. Hell, bake in discord support just to btfo Nintendo further.

>>712754146
Can't you setup this for every controller in the steam options?

>>712752612 (OP)
Wait until 2027. Unless Valve pays for a brand new semi-custom chip then you won't see a new device any time soon. Next gen Medusa Point family is still RDNA3.5. Deck2 definitely has to be future proof UDNA.

GIVE ME AT LEAST THE CONTROLLER
THE HORI PAD FUCKING SUCKS

>>712752612 (OP)
Valve doesn’t release subsequent hardware. They never have and they never will.

>>712753770
>tendie sees a deck
>immediately shits herself and starts acting like sales aren't just an excuse for nutendo to be fucking her in the butt while the deck will continue to get infinitely more games, features, support and consumer friendliness
Every time

>>712753719
>There are games that dont play well on the deck like triple A, such as red dead 2 or elden ring.
>Sub 60fps for a $600 device isn't really acceptable in 2025.
That's why I have a desktop, to play games that I want on a big, 1440p screen. I'm glad Valve isn't just churning out a new deck every other year

Valve said that the tech isn't there yet

>>712753770
>muh sales
no one cares, go buy shares you retarded faggot

>>712752612 (OP)
It'll be out when it's out, and we like that

>>712754146
>No trackpad
Uhh do you have eyes?
>same level as the deck
It's a Z1E device, you can get 10+ fps more frames on average at 15w and twice the framerate at 35w. If that's an "incremental improvement" to you then buy a Z2E device. The technology doesn't exist yet for a "true" Deck sequel. It wont be worth it until it matches a Series S at 15w with FSR 4.
>Deck has support for trigger dampening where when you hold the left trigger the mouse trackpad slows down to aim more precisely
Pretty sure you can set this up in Steam controller settings.
>>712754507
>Never will
Yeah I guess technology will just never advance even though it only took 1 gen for AMD to make Z1E's performance more power efficient. Retard.

What was the point of the Deck in the first place?

Even in '22, it wasn't very powerful. You couldn't play the latest AAAs ever and if it was just an indie machine, you could try cheaper options or buy a very cheap PC.

I feel like they need to make a $1000 version of it for SD2 to justify actually buying it. It should be able to play the latest AAAs at 1080p 30fps at least otherwise it's just an expensive indie machine.

>>712754908
>>No trackpad
>Uhh do you have eyes?
NTA but do you not know how to read?
>No trackpad on the same level as the deck.

>>712754908
I don't like the detatchable joycons

>>712752612 (OP)
Hopefully not any time soon. I want valve to iron out some bugs with steamos/big picture mode
>Game streaming is broken on the deck
>Using the Nintendo layout shows the wrong button in the UI
>Store is borderline unusable and multiple sections in steam require using the touchpad to navigate

You need a new Deck? What's there to play? Done with your library yet? Played the top 10 PC games from each year since 2003-2018 yet? Installed a PS2 emulator yet?

Asus will gladly take your money for a more powerful handheld so you can get +5fps on Elden Ring while on the toilet, if that makes you happy.

>>712755015
>I don't like an optional feature I can choose to never use
Ok

>>712754986
the problem is we are in a competency crisis and most new games run like absolute shit even on desktop hardware. of course if a full size 3k or 4k series card can barely even handle it, a tiny 15W TDP APU is going to chug

I used mine as an elden ring and darktide machine for years and it was fine but I aint running ue5 sloppa

>>712754048
>Probably in 2028, since the Switch 2 is within the same "ballpark" as Steamdeck 1 there's no need for Steamdeck 2 right now
Valve doesn't give two shits about that or anything Nintendo is doing. Their goal with the Deck is to push linux adoption and they're in the best position to do that hardware wise since they can subsidize the cost with steam. Getting steamos on other devices is just the start, they need to make sure those devices are both capable and affordable while showing the rest how it's done with things like trackpads, gyro, and ergonomics.

>>712753770
>Nintendo sells well
>Sales matter
>Nintendo doesn't sell well
>Sales don't matter
>Nintendo has great battery
>Battery life matters
>Nintendo has crappy battery
>Battery life doesn't matter
>Nintendo has good graphics
>Graphics matter
>Nintendo doesn't have good graphics
>Graphics don't matter
>...
>the opposite applies to anything that isn't Nintendo

>>712754507
Valve can count to 2. Whether there's a Deck 3 is the real question.

>>712754986
Most people play at 900P on the ally z1 extreme which at 7" is higher quality than the deck OLED. It's $400 or less on ebay for the z1 extreme and it can basicaly do 60+ fps with all low and
medium mixed textures in elden ring. You just have to turn off all the retarded shit, volumetric, depth of field and anti-aliasing to low or off.

https://youtu.be/e1nWaMpL6B4


Sure it's not OLED and there's no trackpad, but it's a WAY better 100% SRGB screen vs the shitter 55% screen the deck 1 shipped with which was so terrible I don't know how people didn't flip out. Literal reds looked orange and there is ghosting. The deck 1 screen was so offensive to actual people that us PC's.

>>712754908
Why's it so fucking far down

>>712756004
>vs the shitter 55% screen the deck 1 shipped with
People get lost in stats and metrics that literally do not matter. The only thing that matters is how it actually looks in person. I've owned both models and I never had a problem with the original LCD outside of the bezels being too big. Just like how the OLED version supposedly has improved and more balanced audio but the reality is that the speakers on the original have more bass and just sound better.

>>712754986
>What was the point of the Deck in the first place?
So I can play trad roguelikes on my porch while sipping lemonade

>>712755664
This unironically, because nintendo has good games.

>>712754991
Yeah and his point still collapses under the weight of that cope. No competitor has trackpads remotely close to the Deck’s in precision or integration. If it's not on the same level functionally, then it's not “on the same level” period. Steam Input does magic with that hardware — you can’t replicate that with stick drift and a dream.

>>712752612 (OP)
Thine savior has forsaken thou.

>>712752612 (OP)
>We need it right now more than ever.
To play what?

>>712756319
>People get lost in stats and metrics that literally do not matter.
>reds looking orange do not matter

Holy cope. The decks screen is HORRIBLE and the OLED is a shameless cashgrab you fucking cultist.

Even the switch 1 had a 100% SRGB screen with no ghosting and it's like a $200 console now, $150 used lmao.

>>712756578
*used to

>>712753616
>>712753904
Please consult the chart >>712756750
The entire handheld PC market is small and dominated by the steam deck which accounts for 2/3 of sales.

>>712752612 (OP)
probably never because valve realised that it cant beat nintendo

>>712756884
30 years ago

>>712752612 (OP)
Any laptop is better

>>712756004
Forgot image.

Elden ring plays with VRR at 900p low at 55fps. It's so close but it needs tweaks.

The rog ally with the z1 extreme is good enough for gaming and its the best handheld to price performance, sadly no trackpad do shooting games and mouse games are going to suffer heavily especially older games pre 2014.

>>712756820
>valve fixing a ton of complaints about the original deck and releasing it the same cost is bad!!
>nu-tendo slapping an oled on the switch and charging more for it before taking oled away so they can do it all over again is good!!
cry harder

>>712756820
>The decks screen is HORRIBLE
It really isn't. I've used it and it was fine. With how hard OLED was dicksucked, I was disappointed to see how marginal of an improvement it actually was. The 90hz refresh was more impactful to me than the color improvements.

>>712756923
So? There will always be options available. Handheld gaming pcs are side projects of big pc gaming manufacturers they don't hinge their entire existence on them, unlike console manufacturers.

>>712756820
>people bitch and moan about no OLED and weak battery life
>valve releases a model with the improvements people asked for
>CASH GRAB!! CASH GRAB!
???

>>712752612 (OP)
Steam Deck 1 already did the job it had to do which is basically make the handheld PC a viable idea.
It was never going to be anywhere in the same league as a Switch or Switch 2. Depending on how faster Nintendo can put out stock it's likely the Switch 2 will outsell the entire handheld PC market's retail numbers by the end of June. This is a high-end hobbyist niche. But now you have OEMs like ASUS or MSI making handheld PCs, and even Xbox is getting into the action with an Xbox-focused ASUS ROG Ally. Valve has no real reason to make the push for a stronger Steam Deck when literally any other computer manufacturer is doing the iterations for them. They already control the endstage, Steam is still basically synonymous with PC as a platform and that's where they'll make all their money. There's zero point in making this kind of push when the Steam Deck didn't even sell 5 million. Valve is not a hardware company, at best they make products for an audience willing to spend hundreds/thousands on niche use.

Nintendo has the incentive to make hardware since they're the only ones that make Nintendo ecosystem machines that play Nintendo games. You can't just go to ASUS's website and buy a ASUS ROG Switch that costs $100 but plays Mario Kart World at 8k 400 FPS.

>>712757204
It is. It's a garbo screen with ghosting and 55% SRGB where reds look orange, blues look washed out and it looks bad.

Even my $80 pixio monitor that I got for sale on amazon with 1080p 144hz freesync has 110% SRGB color spectrum with saturated vibrant colors and its a chink monitor. Even this monitor is more vibrant than my OLED phone and that's with the saturation setting enabled in android.

Normies might not notice because they are braindead and just look at a screen and see nothing wrong. I will not play on a screen with washed out colors. It has to be saturated.

>>712757204
That anon is a retard, but it was horrible. The colors were very washed out until valve released an update that fixed it. Now as someone with both I agree the difference in color/quality isn't nearly as big as people say it is unless a game is either extremely colorful or very dark.

>>712756923
This is midwit-tier demand analysis. This is like the retards who told Steve Jobs there's no point to the Macintosh because IBM owns the market.
The fact that the switch has this kind of demand is a point for the thesis that the PC handheld market can grow. The issue is that PC towers are a never-growing market, handhelds are the only thing that see YoY growth. Having a 1/5th of the switch (1 or 2) annual sales is MASSIVE compared to PC tower or even laptop sales.

>>712757487
No its still washed out. I dont care what valve does to do retarded saturated tricks with the screen. It didn't fix it.

It's garbage. 55% SRGB will NEVER be as good as a full spectrum 100% SRGB panel.

the purpose of the steamdeck was to pirate switch games, and the purpose of a supposed steamdeck 2 will be to pirate switch 2 games. the release of the steamdeck 2 depends on the ability of valves engineers to crack switch 2 security and release an emulator while disguising it as an independent project just like they did with steamdeck 1

>>712752612 (OP)
not for a while, Valve said the tech they wanna use for it doesn't exist yet.

>>712752808
Speaking of which, the trackpad is so good, that i use it even when gamepad is an option. Left joystick for movement and trackpad for looking around is the best

>>712757479
I never had any ghosting problems with the original LCD. It's funny you mention ghosting because the OLED version is the only one I've seen with that problem.

>>712757581
>No its still washed out
Only in desktop mode where their update doesn't apply =, serving as a reminder of how it used to look. I literally see both screens side by side in person and the color is way better than it used to be.

>>712754246
>And yet the Steam Deck Oled rapes the Switch 2 in screen quality, battery life and usability. Flies on shit.
But no 120 Hz.

>>712753732
every other handheld computer sucks, its not just the raw power, Valve understands what features it needs. No trackpads on a portable pc makes the thing worthless.

>>712757612
>the purpose of the deck is just a giant middle finger to the absolute state of modern nintendo
based valve

Why would I get this over a laptop?

>>712757567
Sales of handheld PCs declined last year. It only saw one year of YoY growth.

Valve&steam deck devs have made clear that they are waiting for a significant peformance upgrade in AMD soc's that have around the same power draw as the steamdeck before they make a steamdeck 2.
The point of the steamdeck also has been achieved anyway, it was to create a new market, and by the looks of the reaction of sony&ms and others, they where succesfull.

>>712754908
>Yeah I guess technology will just never advance even though it only took 1 gen for AMD to make Z1E's performance more power efficient. Retard.
AMD releases new tech all the time. Valve has only ever been one and done with hardware. They need to prove otherwise before people should believe them.

>>712757824
90hz adjustable refresh is enough. you're not hitting that refresh anyway so all more serves to do is shorten frametime to make frame drops look less shitty

a switch 2 is certainly not going to be running games at 120hz 1080p native

>>712758000
OK but one of these companies need to make a handheld with a decent haptic trackpad. I'm not buying the xbox rog ally X or whatever the fuck its called.

NO FUCKING TRACKPAD!

>>712752612 (OP)
you admit defeat to the tendies?

>>712754908
These are stopgap cope devices for the Deck 2. AMD have yet to release a more power efficient chip than the one on the Deck, and anything that doesn't provide 2x the performance and FSR4 is worthless.

>>712758318
I admit defeat to these fucking useless companies that dont want to make a good handheld device with a 900p screen, 7" display, a powerful processor and a trackpad.

>>712753770
shovelware vs high quality. most people eat dirt.

>>712758567
sucks to suck i guess. can always play on a laptop

Why do VaIvedrones shill this crap here daily?

>>712752612 (OP)
Who's we and why are they stupid enough to want a 20% performance bump at a 150% premium?

>>712758798
The deck OLED released at the exact same price as the deck LCD for no noticeable performance and an overpriced $200 tax OLED screen

>>712756004
>Literal reds
As opposed to figurative reds, zoomer retard?

>>712758950
So you agree you're dumb for wanting a new model now.

>>712757889
Literally this. Everyone hyperfixates on cores and flops but forgets you actually have to control the damn thing. Those trackpads are the only reason the Deck doesn't feel like a cut-down laptop stapled to controller parts. You try navigating a desktop or aiming in RTS games on something like the Ally or Legion without it and it's just suffering. Valve actually thought about the use case instead of just slapping specs on a shell.

>>712752612 (OP)
>We need it right now more than ever.
Do we?
My Steam Deck's working just fine right now.

>Steamfags losing against nintendies again

Just assume we can´t have a handheld 1080p 60 fps decent

>>712759063
hope MS can turn this around with the new fullscreen game mode

>>712759063
But they couldnt think far enough or were too greedy to not put an actual processor for the deck OLED in it like the z1 extreme. Instead they scammed their cultist fanbase and left actual handheld enthusiast dead in the water.

Womp womp. Now the deck LCD is ewaste because of the terrible screen, deck OLED people are ditching for the z2 extreme handhelds and deck is irellevant once again for people who actually want a 60fps playable experience besides indie shit and pre 2014 games.

>>712752612 (OP)
It's still good enough
newer APUs are only marginally better. they're probably waiting until there's a big performance leap

>>712759230
Works on my machine, more efficiently than your dogshit Intel-like chip at lower TDP might I add.

>>712759063
Nobody plays RTS games, grandpa.

>>712759230
damn, i must be dreaming then playing on my lcd deck every day, apparently is now worthless because it doesn't make the cou circlejerk online happy

>>712759235
>newer APUs are only marginally better

False. z1 extreme plays elden ring at near 60fps 900p 7" where as the deck at 800p 7" can BARELY scrape by 35 fps if it's lucky.

The deck's chip is so underpowered and nobody gives a fuck about battery life. If I want to drain my battery in 1:30 on a plane or bus I should be able to, and all planes, cars, trains, busses all have fast chargers anyway and most people will play at home at 30w TDP anyways.

>>712758318
For what?The deck is out of stock, we need more decks already.

>>712758249
Metroid Prime 4 thobeit

>>712759384
Its worthless because it's an underpowered piece of shit that cant even get 35 fps low settings 800p in elden ring, with a shit screen too.

Also $600 OLED is the only usable deck screen that's not garbage, and it has the same garbo chipset in it thats underpowered lol

>>712759397
Screen size has nothing to do with performance, Rakesh

>>712759397
>and nobody gives a fuck about battery life.
Consider suicide.

>>712759491
that's cool, I'm going to go back to playing nightreign on my eck now

>>712759563
I wasn't referring to performance, I was referring to visual quality.

1600x900 at 7" is much more crisper and better quality than 1280x800p at 7"

>>712759397
>>712759397
>nobody gives a fuck about battery life

>not caring about battery life on a handheld system
kill yourself retard

>>712752612 (OP)
Valve said not any time soon, the best of all worlds tech isnt there
>yeh huh because some ally device with dogshit battery life, quality control issues, and no trackpads
People might shit on Decks performance not being top of the line, but thats an intentional concession for the sake of not having a strictly one how battery life. Its the total package Jack of all trades device, and it feels good to use.

>>712753719
I beat elden ring on the fucking thing last week, only frame drop I had was because at 9 o clock because the screen turns yellow at nighttime for my eyes.

I can't even buy 1

>>712759615
>at 34 fps for $600 btw

You fucking mentally ill steam cultist. You have buyers remorse and you are coping

>>712754146
>I just want a fucking deck but 2-3x more powerful.
Wait 2 years

>>712759397
>nobody gives a fuck about battery life.
I do. Less power consumption doesn't just mean more battery life. It also means less heat and no fan noise.

>>712759665
If I need more battery life I just wont play graphically intensive games you fucking sperg or only play graphically intensive games when I have a charger nearby, or take the hit and accept the 1:30 minute playtime instead of the 2:20 minutes you would get on the eck.

Better than being locked down to an underpowered garbage APU that can't even run basic 2020 games at 60fps, and with no VRR too.

>>712759717
It's true that I have to cap the game at 30fps but it's also true that it's a fucking 15W TDP APU playing a modern release. I don't mind playing at 30fps on a handheld when it means I get >3 hours of battery life.

>>712758764
Because it earned it.

>>712752612 (OP)
Soon.

>>712759679
Not 60fps at 800p. Garbage. Even at the LOWEST settings deck can't even reach 40fps consistently. It's mid 35 to sub 30fps.

>>712759825
Your UMPC collects dust while others use theirs and it shows.
Better battery life means better usability and less having to baby the device with chargers and shit.

>>712759825
> or only play graphically intensive games when I have a charger nearby
if you want to be tethered to a wall so badly just get a laptop at that point

>>712759719
More like 4. Valve won't just dump a pile of shit 55w chip on the thing and 2kg of battery like everyone's doing, they value efficiency.

>>712759912
Not true. Watch a youtube vid, shitskin.

>>712759912
Meanwhile the z1 extreme, $370 dollars on ebay can play elden rin at 55fps with VRR low settings at a higher quality 900p than the deck.

Fucking mogged into oblivion. The steam shit dick can't even compete.

>b-b-buh muh trackpad!

>>712759912
Nightreign struggles to consistently stay at 60 on my 3070 and i9 13900 at 1080p, why should I expect laptop tech to reach even close to that?

>>712752808
>I literally can't play without a trackpad
I own both, you don't need a trackpad for fallout 3 and up and why you trying to play tf2 on the Steam Deck nigga

>>712753719
>There are games that dont play well on the deck like triple A, such as red dead 2 or elden ring.
You could at least say two games that don't actually play well. The deck can handle both of those.

>>712752612 (OP)
As a guy who mostly plays AA and indies, I can't imagine why on earth I'd need a Deck 2 any time soon. My Deck will DIE of overuse by the time Deck 2 is out, and I'll only get one out of necessity then.

People screaming about frames and new games don't actually play games that much. If you want to suck on some AAA turd, buy another box of some kind and hook it to the television.

>>712759908
>no FSR4
cope device

>>712754986
It's a portable that can actually play games that aren't toddler shit

>>712759949
>>712759950
90% of people play the deck at home and you know it. You know it.

If they aren't playing it at home they are in car with charging.
If they aren't at home and not in a car, they are at work or school, which have chargers
If they aren't at work or school, they are on vacation in which case they are in a hotel, with chargers
If they are in a bus or train, chances are if its in europe it has chargers

>>712760030
>you dont NEED
I do. Im not playing the autoaimless PC version of some dogshit console game with the precision of a fucking joystick

>>712759912
it's not sub 30. you don't get drops when capped at 30. it also only pulls like 10W of power in caves and ~16W in overworld for about 4 hours of battery life

>>712760041
sub 60fps is unplayable in 2025

>>712760119
Im not disagreeing, but I also use my phone at home, that doesnt necessarily mean I want to be tethered to the wall all day.

>>712760006
>can play
for 30 minutes

>>712759230
>deck lcd is ewaste
guess me and my buddy didn't get the memo, we use our launch (2022) steam decks daily.
No one is ditching anything lmao

>>712760119
>reality will bend to my whims because I insist. I insist.
You never even played any UMPC. You can't grasp why trackpads are useful. You are a filthy nigger on a payroll.

>>712760161
30fps is unplayable, especially for $600.

It's offensive is what it is when a $200 cheaper used device like the rog all z1 extreme can play it at 55fps+ at higher resolution WITH VRR.

>>712760119
I don't want hour and a half hummingbird battery life even if I'm playing at home, faggot. The whole point of a handheld is not to be tethered to a wall. I don't want to have to reach over and pull out a charger because the battery can't even handle 2 back to back sessions of nightreign. No thanks!

>>712760314
>I don't want an hour and a half, 1.5 hours of gaming!
>LET ME GO TO THE UNDERPOWERED DECK THAT GETS 2.5 HOURS BUT IS UNDERPOWERED SHIT AND IS A SCAM WHERE I'LL BE PLAYING AT HOME ANYWAYS

>>712760139
agreed.
No dual trackpads = no buy for me.
Being able to play indies with substandard controller support is incredibly valuable.

Currently playing through the quake remaster on hard mode, I wouldn't even bother if I was stuck using sticks.

>just plug it in
The chair I like sitting in on the porch doesnt reach an outlet

>>712760289
>can play
for 30 minutes

>>712760386
Why's the steam deck a scam? I've seen you say this in other deck threads

I love the steam deck never ever able to compete with the switch and then the switch 2 came out and raped the deck out of existence in one day. Imagine buying that fucking paper weight when you already had a laptop.

>>712760289
>30fps is unplayable
It isn't. It really isn't when you consider you're playing full fledged PC games on a handheld with very constrained power restrictions and size. I don't want the thing to run at 90C and uncomfortably warm my hands while the fan goes WRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR to the tune of 90 minute battery life. I'll take the 30fps and 4 hour battery life with no fan noise or heat, thanks.

>>712760532
>worse battery
>worse display than even the LCD deck
>literally 1 game
Cool, Im playing Wasteland 2 rn

>>712760434
Nope. rog ally with z1 extreme still mogs the steam dick and gets similar gaming time at lower TDP with better FPS.

You can just drop the TDP to match the EXACT SAME PERFORMANCE as the deck with a higher screen resolution, and VRR.

Or you can up it to 30W, get 1.5 hours and get near 60fps. Something the steam dick will NEVER do.

Meanwhile the deck isn't even capable of 60fps gaming

>>712760554
>pc players are now paying several hundred dollars to throw away their snooty fps/resolution standards

We've come full circle. Glad you guys finally dropped the hardware snobbery.

>>712760386
>2.5
It's 4, faggot. It's 4 in elden ring. 10W to 16W on a 50W/h battery is 4 hours. FOUR

brehs when is the oled 'ecks coming back in stock, I just wanna play my vidya on my bed

>>712760635
>I'm cool with playing shovelware slop
And im playing gaming royalty.

>>712760652
My standards are in line with the reality of the hardware. I expect more when I'm running on a full size desktop with a 800W PSU. I expect less when I'm running the same exact game on a fucking handheld that can only peak at 25W under full load.

>>712760706
Get a laptop, save money and play with a real controller.

>>712760652
Its not hardware snobbery, It's just the steam deck cultists mind virus.

They have a diseased brain that defends their $400 console with a 55% SRGB screen, underpowered chipset.

Meanwhile you can get an ally z1 extreme for cheaper than a used LCD deck, and it is much better in performance than even the $600 OLED deck.

>>712759908
>not oled
>1080p
into the trash it goes

>>712760652
I'm not the one buying a DLSS machine, upscaling from 360p at that. You are.

>>712760502
I think that schizo is defending the original white ROG Ally, which was sold on Best Buy and mass-refunded because it ran Windows, had terrible battery life, and fried SD cards. Now, it's being sold for cheap on eBay.

>>712760863
It supports steam OS you cultists steamie shill.

>>712760854
>UPSCALING UPSCALING

Steam deck thread? Steam deck thread.

>>712760863
>and fried SD cards.
AND desoldered the slot in the process. Never fixed btw.

>>712759912
I've been getting around 40-50 fps on medium settings on the OLED deck, which is perfectly playable

>>712760652
>hardware snobbery
Never had it. I just want open machines that play the vast, cheap library of games that I have, without me having to rebuy them every generation.

I'd rather play old games and "hipster" pixel indies any day over whatever the shit coming out on the upper tiers. AAA development is so slow and narrow that every true technofag PC autist cums himself over every single boring release, like a few months apart, and out come the FPS charts, like "Who fucking cares, you stupid dweeb. You've not seen the end of this piece of shit anyway."

>>712760727
>bingkart is gaming royalty
Whatever suits your bliss bud

>>712760905
Yeah, Steam Deck thread. I love being able to decide how my games render while you're forced to eat AI artifacted to hell diarrhea and get death threats if you talk against it.

>>712760924
ASUS offered RMAs, one year later, and after a Gamers Nexus video.

>>712760894
>it runs steamos
>steamie cultist shill
Why do you say it runs steamos as a point of defensive praise, while also getting mad that someone wants it to not run windows

>>712760809
>no dual touchpads
fucking useless device, didn't they kill their microsd card slots from heat too?

>>712760652
The hardware cultists are just loud retards, flexibility and freedom have always been the most appealing factor to PC platforms.

>>712760905
Steam deck can run most things native. Even the rog shill having a spergout acknowledges that the deck runs ER native.

>>712761106
And it's not fixed. It keeps happening because the heat has nowhere else to go, the fixes delay it at best.

>>712752612 (OP)
2 more years

>>712753770
>Valve has 300 employees
>Nintendo has 8000

>>712760809
>mind virus
>deck "cultist"
You're the one with the mind virus, if you think waging a one-man war against NOT YOUR BRAND is a good use of your time on this earth. Yeah, play an ASUS SUPER-ROG Z20, or whatever the fuck it is. Nobody cares. A lot of people wound up with Steam Decks, so we talk about them. They were around longer, and they've set the standard, people know the brand, and that's what they bought.

Fucking idiot.

>>712752612 (OP)
Idk im plenty happy with my deck oled

>>712761146
trackpads are the biggest meme, you wouldn't dare use them for an FPS on a laptop but act like they're a killer app for the deck

>>712761272
>25 fps in expdition 33 is totally fine for $600 o algo
>$600 no mames wey

>>712761293
Because they have insane flexibility with steam input to do a myriad of things. Like, you can make games like aoe2 actually comfortably playable with them.

>>712761293
trackpad for your index finger =\= trackpads for your thumbs
not that you would understand how much of a game changer it is, the ability to create custom buttons/menus along with the precision touchpad+gyro aiming brings is impossible to give up once you've experienced it.

>>712760210
People have been saying that for the past 30 years but they still go out and buy consoles

>>712761550
>touchpad+gyro
flickstick + gyro is better

but having a trackpad just for menus is nice

>>712761490
I get 35-45fps with mods. Medium, quality.

>>712761550
I own a Deck, I never use the trackpads other than for desktop mode because the touchscreen sucks. Even Half Life 2 was fine with thumbsticks and gyro

>>712761293
Go find a laptop trackpad and tell me that thing is as precise as a steamdeck trackpad.

>>712759230
retard

>>712761679
He doesnt have a deck because why else would someone hate on it?

>>712761127
broken shill farm
they were against steam when what they had to shill was windows only, but now that those devices support steamos they're struggling to transition to their new script

>>712761621
Huge cope. Not native, and upscaled FSR pixelated shit.
Even elden ring at all low settings BARELY holds at 35 fps on the deck.

and that's with the 4GB bios option enabled.

Full of shit

>>712761696
Truth hurts doesnt it steamie?

>>712761630
You're missing out.
I did a full HL2 playthrough with my steam controller to really see for myself if trackpads would be decent, and man, after I got used to them it ruined regular controllers for me.
Pretty much mandatory for any fps I play on my deck excluding egregious examples like halo which are designed around aim assist cause I can have mouse-like precision without sitting at my desk.
Really looking forward to a steam controller 2 myself.

>>712761895
Lol ok whatever dood I dont have to prove anything2u

>>712761867
I own a Deck and Ally, the argument is that trackpads are a necessity when they are not.

>>712762080
There are not necessary but im spoiled with them so therefore I wont use anything without them.

>>712762157
They* are

>>712762043
Trackpads(+gyro) are so good Ill abandon controller support for the tighter snappier aim, even if it means button prompts dont match the buttons om pressing

>>712752612 (OP)
>he unironically thinks Deck 2 will be a thing.
SteamOS being available on other Handheld PC basically ended the market niche for the Deck family of product.

>>712762080
Is this the part where we purity spiral about what is necessary? These gay little handhelds dont NEED buttons, we can plug in keyboards thank you! They dont NEED batteries, we can plug them into the wall. They dont NEED screens, just plug them into a monitor. They dont NEED speakers, just plug some in or get some headphones(not that they NEED a headphone jack)

>>712762080
They are absolutely a necessity for certain types of games and full PC compatibility.

>>712762502
I wish this were true but the UX of every nondeck handheld is such stupid cluttered shit. How the fuck has microsoft, the trillion dollar company not made a desktop interface for use with controllers, why does every device ask that I move the mouse cursor with a fucking xbox stick, why is Valve the only company that gives their handhelds to a guy who can say whether or not the device feels like shit in the palm of your hand? People really undersell how much better it feels to hit the power button and immediately boot into a controller optimized UI that fucking works without bombarding you with all kinds of retarded popups and forced updates and quirked up "HANG ON, CORTANAS TURNING ON THE LIGHTS ;)" bullshit messages

>>712755926
Valve can count to 3

How do I know whether my OLED deck screen is etched or gloss? I got a 512GB refurbished. Etched just makes it so glare isn't as bad?

>>712762080
If you exclusively play consolized shit, sure. But if youve ever wanted to play a PC RPG, or RTS, or MMO, or anything that isnt a 3rd person shooter/platformer/racing game, trackpads are essential

>>712762912
Etched will bend reflections more so theyll be fuzzy
Gloss will reflect a perfect image back. Shine a lamp on the screen, if you can perfectly make out the exact shape of the bulb/filament shininh on it, its Gloss, else: Etched

>>712762502
Then everyone would just be talking about the legion go right now instead. The deck is still the all around best and can subsidize itself with steam for affordability. It took this market 30 years for valve to release an actually good pc handheld themselves for everyone else to finally go 'ohhh so that's how you do it...' and they still had to wait for steamos because windows just sucks that bad. There is definitely worth in seeing how valve further refines things with the deck 2.

>>712763089
We saw this with devices before the deck. I manually installed linux on my onexplayer and gpd winmax because windows is happy as a clam to run all kinds of background processes that heat the thing up, gobble resources, and put the fans in jet engine mode for the high crime of [look at desktop].
the winmax is pretty cool for a microlaptop, I used to take it on worktrips and everyone thought it was super sick

>>712762523
>They dont NEED batteries
This but unironically if it compromises other shit

>>712763383
they're handhelds, you're already making compromises