Oh yeah, THAT happened...

>>712764103 (OP)
Bro I have 40 hours in the game and I am about to 100% it please stop talking about it I’m very strong at it and very smart hire me but not as Guardian or Raider I don’t like them they aren’t fun and are slow and hard to play I’m not a good tank I’m a good DPS and please play with me I am very strong please respond

>>712764103 (OP)
Nightreign is easily GOTY, it blows every other game out of the water and could you imagine if I was being serious? What the fuck was From thinking with this game?

>>712764352
>What the fuck was From thinking with this game?

>>712764485
But more people would have bought it if it was a smaller scale Souls game instead of this hybrid battle royale game. Whenever I do things like the Revenant remembrance or go through areas like the Nok city or fight the new bosses I just think to myself
>wow, I wish the game was just these parts and cut out the 40 minutes of running around Limveild every run

I wish Recluse's starting weapon was customizable like everyone else's. It sucks not being able to guarantee a specific element or spell.

I killed all the nightlords with Revenant. Gonna do it with Guardian now.

>>712764103 (OP)
It's dogshit like Elden Ring, what did you expect?

>>712764103 (OP)
Just bought this and seriously need a quick rundown or the best guide or whatever. Soulsborne + time pressure + anxiety not to ruin the run is crazy

>>712764103 (OP)

>>712764352
I'm having fun. It might be my Goty.

>>712768161
>pic related
Fucking kek

>>712767979
Yeah it takes a little while to figure out what the fuck is going on. Basically, you want to prioritize A) flask charges and B) finding bosses that are easy to kill and are the closest to you.

>>712767979
Just do the closest landmarks. If you come across a boss who one shots you, then don't fight it.
You should aim for at least level 12 by day 3.
The buffs you see on weapons (+9% Jump Attack Damage) are passives. You get the buff as long as it's in your inventory.
The first boss' weakness is Holy, so try to find a good holy weapon as your main weapon.
If you can't/haven't made it to day 3, then just keep playing and git gud.

And it was glorious.

>>712764103 (OP)
I like it, but it would've worked better as some kind of dungeon crawler, the Fortnite ring doesn't do it any favors, either. Being rushed in a game that is all about taking your time and waiting for openings just makes the game feel like it's at odds with itself.

>>712767979
You'll need a few runs to figure out where everything is. You can look up, if you want, which kinds of places drop what, but frankly there's just no replacement for learning how to move around the map and through POI. You can do some single player runs to get a sense of things without much pressure.

But in general, this is the flowchart:
>wherever you land, there's some sort of basic bitch enemy camp, something behind you, and clearing it gets you your first level, which is by far the most important, almost doubling your stats
>from there, you'll want to clear out your "tier 1" POIs, that's the ruined churches, the camps, the forts (one with a bridge you can sneak in under with a merchant next to it and not)
>there may also be a flask church or tower nearby, hit those too
>from there, you want to work from the outside in, eventually hitting the lower level field bosses (Avoid the red outlined icon ones on day 1), gaols, and the big central castle/fort
The biggest noob trap is it's far better to be clearing out things than taking time getting anywhere, so pathing is important. It's tempting to jog halfway across the map for more flask churches or the mines with the +2 stones, but it's actually usually not worth it over hitting up more POI in the same time. Clearing out the mobs is similarly tempting, but past level 5 or so you should be b-lining for the boss/drop of an area over killing anything else.

You should always be doing SOMETHING, or about to be. Eventually, again, you'll get a feel for what's worth it or not. Once at a certain level, or on Day 2, the normal POI are largely a trap, since their rune and weapon drops are no longer worth your time over trying to fight the tougher field bosses or clearing the central castle (or the shifting earth). But sometimes RNG fucks you, and it's better to be smashing a few shitty POI on your way to the end than nothing at all (same for some mobs on the way).

>tfw hard mode soon

>>712764103 (OP)
felt too fast paced, too hard, retarded vermintide character cast shit. refunded it

>>712764103 (OP)
I just hate multiplayer games.

Is there any reason to play this if I enjoy souls games for the atmosphere and exploration? I've only done one raid thing so far but the world just feels randomly generated

>>712768161
it was so grim when I made this realization where people really do not like games they are bad at
I now imagine a world where elden ring did not have mimic tear or any summons at all and it scored poorly because of how many people just suck at it

>>712769869
You now realize why everyone hates DaS2

after about 20 hours and killing 4 bosses I realized I hate this shit.
sprint..clear boss...sprint.. clear boss over and over on the same map. constantly having to sift through useless relics. it's boring as fuck

>>712770092
>buy roguelike
>get roguelike gameplay
>"wtf I hate this"

>start match
>stomp the first day
>get randomly disconnected the second day or at the final boss
I'm too much of a turdworlder to play this game, time to go solo

>>712769869
sekiro and nioh are beloved despite being more skill-based than the souls games. the whole 'urrr filtered' argument has always been garbage to deflect from shit combat

>>712767979
Are you retarded? Just play the game. It becomes obvious after a couple runs.

>From hands Elden Ring off to the B-Team to make a quick sandbox for future experimentation
>B-Teams puts in bosses that are better than the ones in Elden Ring
Nani

>>712769828
no not really, it's purely gameplay. you'd only enjoy it if you really liked co-oping.

>>712769828
Some of the map changes bring about some neat stuff, like the giant crater beinf a volcano temple, but generally it's an exploration/atmosphere game second and a boss fight game first

>>712770662
Is this your gameplay, pal?

>>712770914
kek this webm is guaranteed replies, fucking saved

>>712770662
People were bitching about Sekiro for months from release. Lady Butterfly was too hard and not fun, Chained Ogre was too hard and not fun, the bull was too hard and not fun, Genichiro was too hard and not fun, Guardian Ape was too hard and not fun, every new boss people reached triggered a new wave of crying. This is the game that had journalists writing articles about how they were totally justified in using cheats to play the game and how it was literally genociding physically disabled people because it didn't have an easy mode.

>>712768565
>>712768628
>>712769436
much appreciated anons I'll give it a go

>>712770694
>retarded?
not always

>>712769828
Not unless you have at least one other friend to play with, ideally two. The fun comes from discovering stuff together, learning the boss mechanics together, and clutching up to save each other or stagger a boss or whatever at key moments.

>>712769225
>the Fortnite ring doesn't do it any favors
I like it. Everyone running from the ring or trying to catch up to the ring if you lingered to finish off a boss is consistently tense.

>>712769828
Yes, game is best played solo unironically

>>712770754
Proves it's purely a design concept issue. ER tried to make bosses that would kill you and you have to memorize moves, NR made bosses that are fun and fair to fight at the end of the journey.
Same reason early souls games had better bosses: longer runbacks. Devs didnt want it to be a ^boss fighter, but a thematic end piece to a seegment.

>>712769635
oh wow it' sthe same move the boss from the dlc does. jesus christ

if I find, for example a "magic giant-crusher" does it change the scaling to focus more on int?
I thought it didn't in this game but my raider friend assures me that it does

>>712769635
This unironically seems like a far bigger damage opportunity and easier to deal with than his phase 2 so ok

>>712768161
that’s a higher clear rate than asylum demon in dark souls 1

>>712772002
Youtubers say it does, my experience finds it doesn't. In other words, your friend is a retard who watches youtubers and believes them blindly. Don't take my word for it tho, take a couple screenshots of infused weapons and compare later.

>>712772002
it has whatever scaling the book in the roundtable says it does. the elements it can get are irrelevant to that

>>712771937
uhhhhhh it's new and exciting, pal

>>712769635
Finally, I can get some lightning spears in

>>712771743
good insight. Shame we only got this in a multiplayer boss rush spinoff. I'm sure the main games won't learn the proper lesson and will continue to lean more toward ridiculous spectacle boss fights with actual dungeon level design further deemphasized

Unfortunately for all sentient beings, soleschlop did happen

>>712772972
This picture is just cherrypicking

>>712773131
What ER fights with interesting arenas were there? I'm drawing a blank but I also played ER way less than any other souls game so this is a genuine question

>>712772972
>pretending like it matters that you can fall off the taurus demon bridge as if anyone has ever actually done that
>but it doesn't count that you can fall out of the Maliketh arena or that the pillars in it play a more significant role in the fight than the pillars in O&S
nobody who actually plays these games cares about "interesting" boss arenas
fighting on uneven terrain in these games sucks
whiffing your attack or getting hit by something you shouldn't have because the hitbox shit itself on a slope sucks
chasing after a boss that's constantly teleporting away and shooting projectiles at you sucks
sitting around with your thumb up your ass waiting for the boss to land so you can damage it at all sucks
everyone bitched about capra demon's shitty closet arena for over a decade until it became something for contrarians to hold against elden ring

>>712767979
do some solo runs, everything scales down

>>712764103 (OP)
>sold more than 3.5 million copies
Sounds like it did it’s job, honestly

>>712772483
where are you getting these from

>>712773868

>>712773243
Godrick's arena has the stairs at the start plus the graves on either side you don't want to get caught in
Godskin duo has the pillar bases you can hide behind
Rennala phase 1 is a library, you have to check behind every bookshelf for the singing students
other than that I'm drawing a blank

>>712774172
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6rDFF4XlHg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUL93YpWu34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9E9_fDzDks

>>712772483
It's just the same thing without torrent

>>712770914
Based DSP wannabe

>>712764103 (OP)
Surprised how quickly I got bored of it. For a "roguelike" there's not much incentive to keep going after the credits roll.
>99% of relics are trash and get sold for murk
>murk is useless
>map barely changes
>no hard/challenge mode
>only two unlockable characters which you get after an hour anyway

>being greedy killing boss outside the ring
>a goblin stepped on a grace and cucked me out of 100k runes
just fuck my shit up senpai

>>712774886
>mod in unfinished phase 3 that's was left in the gamefiles
>From already said they'll add them in this month
Between this and all the terrible "overhaul" mods, my contempt for souls modders only grows.

>>712775075
>99% of relics are trash and get sold for murk
Would be nice if we could trash relics to take 1 ability from them and then put it in another one that matches it's color.
>murk is useless
I'd say make the relic crafting cost murk, but I'm afraid they'd over charge for it. Maybe give the option to spend murk before an expedition to force certain elements or events on the map?
>map barely changes
Someone made an edit of the map having every earth event at once, it looked great. Maybe that could be an option or something.
>no hard/challenge mode
Phase 3 bosses are coming, at least.
>only two unlockable characters which you get after an hour anyway
Yeah, the dlc characters better be good; would be nice if we could unlock new starter weapons or something.

>>712769225
>a game that is all about taking your time and waiting for openings
This isn't Dark Souls. You can create your own openings all the time in Elden Ring and even more so with the abilities in Nightreign.

>>712775898
>unlock new starter weapons
As compared to just picking up any weapon from a chest?
Because there's little reason to give characters a different Level 1 weapon of the same class.

>>712776170
aside from having a different ash of war, and letting you choose which weapon to use all those "starting weapon" relics on?

>>712776170
Starting with a Lv2 combined with those relics that gives something to your starting weapon would be good, no? If not, then maybe starting weapons with 2 different afflictions; a poison rot blade, for example.

>>712776272
>aside from having a different ash of war
Relics can already do that

>>712776321
Just say you want an easy mode.

>>712776170
default executor wep with frostbite added can go pretty hard for most of the fights
if they let someone like duchess have a base bleed weapon with the same option it could get wild

>>712776453
Fine, just lock it behind the hard mode bosses if you're gonna bitch about it.

Every rational part of my brain is telling me this is a shit game and not to bother but I got a steam card as a gift and now my lizard brain is tempted to use it on this game.

>>712773243
Even the old souls games mostly had empty circular boss arenas. This picture cherrypicks the few outliers in DS1, and most of these bosses weren't liked when the game came out. Nobody had anything good to say about moonlight butterfly or capra demon.

>>712769869
Soulslaves regularly do some variation on this claim, that you're not a man if you don't like their slop. Too bad Miyazaki himself said he plays with summons and uses every cheap trick he can.

>>712771937
First time playing a Souls game? They've been reusing assets since the very beginning with DeS. The fact people are just now pretending it's a problem in a spinoff title, when they didn't complain remotely as much when mainline titles had asset reuse is hilarious. Comes off as giga cope. If you don't excuse it for Nightreign, then you shouldn't excuse it for DS1 either.

>>712775075
>he needs dopamine unlocks to keep playing instead of simply playing a game for fun
NGMI. That's some peak zoomer shit.

>>712776674
Miyazaki also said he doesn't like to play his own games.

>>712773131
This is shitpicking if anything? Moonlit Butterfly? Taurus demon? Capra Demon?
Asylum demon itself is just a plunge to take off extra HP into a then flat arena. Only good boss there is gargoyles

I need more movesets, weapon classes having a universal moveset is fucking stupid

>>712776871
That's pretty funny if it's true; why the heck is he making them so hard if he doesn't like it?!

>>712776695
>You mean you're ok with them coyping their old titles the first time, but not the fiftieth? Hypocrite much?
Why do fromfaggots think that people owe them some kind of evidence of their valor when they don't like their shitty games?

>>712770225
It's only roguelike gameplay if your lobotomized. The gameplay is so far from a roguelike that calling it that is insulting to every roguelike made or even conceived of. The game has 20 seeds per boss. Twenty. You are likely to get the same seed again just playing the game casually. Show me any other roguelike with such a poor degree of randomization and I'll fuck a goat live on stream

>>712776986
You're just a tourist and your opinion doesn't matter

>>712777040
ENTER.

>>712776947
He doesn't like to play them because he already knows everything about it.

>>712777040
They never called it a roguelike afaik but a coop-action rpg. The roguelike comparison was added by everyone else.

>>712776631
But I asked for interesting arenas in ER. If you can find examples in the old games, but not in ER, it's not a cherrypick, it's showcasing the absence of something.

>>712777165
I've never played this to be fair, but an article I found said it had seeds that changed daily with a leaderboard, which if true, means even this has more seeds than Nightreign

>>712776819
I did play the game for fun, my point is it stopped being fun too quickly. Every run has started to feel exactly the same because the game barely does anything to change things up. I'd be fine with the lack of unlockable stuff if there was at least something else to keep you hooked like more map variety or modifiers but the game doesn't do jack shit.

>>712775075
>>712775898
I'd like there to be a Relic Shop whereby players can sell their Relics on an open marketplace for a set price. Then other Players can buy them from the shop and the Murk goes right to the seller.
I hate having cool relics I'm never gonna use cause I CBF maining another character. I'd rather someone else have them.

>>712777372
https://www.famitsu.com/article/202505/43273

Here's a famitsu article with the director of Nightreign, Ishizaki, specifically calling it a roguelike, or rather saying it's a blend of "Elden Ring with roguelike elements" so yeah, they have called it that.

>>712777428
margit's arena is a curved slope that you can fall off the edges of
rennala phase 1 has you running around the bookcases using them as cover and searching for the enemy you need to hit
most of the overworld dragon fights happen on uneven terrain, some on narrow bridges
every fight with a godskin noble features geometry you're expected to use against his rolling attack, except the spirit snail cave in mountaintops where it becomes the twist that there is no cover this time
lake of rot has you fight a dragonkin soldier in the middle of the lake with just three small platforms to work with
there's also that ulcerated tree spirit after the lake but it isn't technically a boss encounter
every valiant gargoyle/black blade kindred encounter has some fucked up terrain involved
when cleanrot knights are used as dungeon bosses, there's poison in their arenas to trigger their kindred of rot exultation buff
mohg's whole deal is turning large sections of the floor into hazards, it's rather stupid to argue that his arenas are featureless as if he isn't in it
multiple magma wyrm fights include a magma pool that both damages you and makes you fatroll if you get stuck in it
erdtree avatar fights have the minor erdtrees to use as cover, often also big jars as obstacles you can get caught on
what makes it cherrypicking is to disregard all these fights because they aren't major story bosses while the only required bosses in the dark souls 1 half of the image are asylum demon and gargoyles
the required story bosses in dark souls 1 have majority flat featureless arenas, and surely not even the dumbest /v/ contrarian is going to argue that what was good about dark souls 1 that the later games stopped doing was bed of chaos

>>712777753
>Every run has started to feel exactly the same
Maybe try switching characters. They all play so differently that that's plenty of variety itself.
Some more map variety and events would be great but modifiers are terrible and would just railroad runs even more.
I remember some suggestion from another thread and every modifier idea was shit.

>>712777753
Do you also not replay any of the Souls games? Because there you're literally experiencing the exact same content over with 0 variation at all.

I just genuinely don't understand this mindset. Seems very forced due to how nonsensical it is.

>>712764103 (OP)
I'm at 15 hours and I've killed dog sideways mouth and goat.
I've killed whale twice when he invaded a different run but not in his own run.
Play duchess mist of the time, sometimes recluse and revenant.
Like twinblades the best.

>>712777975
That's not even true. The interviewer says his first impression was Elden Ring with roguelike elements.

>>712778015
Not bed of chaos specifically but I loved the gimmicks. Like how you could knock the golem off sens fortress or how sifs fight changed when he got hurt. Or how the gargoyles mostly came down to finishing one off before the other shits on you. Or how the gaping dragon was defended by a sorcerer if you didn't explore properly
I'm just saying I miss gimmicks in ER. Nightreign reintroduced gimmicks for the nightlords which I love

>>712764103 (OP)
I look at this game and figure I'd rather just do a replay of ER than play this

>>712772972
bro thinks moonlight butterfly and dark sun gwyndolin are the epitome of boss fight kino

>>712778509
And Capra Demon. Nobody thinks it's a good boss, not even From, so they put two dogs in there as well.

>>712778861
figures he's just your usual contrarian retard here

>>712767831
What games do you think are good anon

>>712778386
You can do both

>>712779038
Touhou and boring RTS games, of course.

>>712778509
Moonlight Butterfly is a better boss than anything in SotE.

>>712776986
The fact you don't like something doesn't make it shitty you dumb mongrel.

>>712769869
People would have still beaten the boss, they did it before in previous games which you forget.

Why Wylder is such a big SISCON?

>>712779916
Because duchess will sleep with anyone wbo asks.

>>712778332
they've still done gimmicks in ER too, just mostly relegated to optional dungeon bosses. the invisible black knife in sage's cave and later ordina that you need to get the sentry's torch to see, lamenter in SOTE, the spiritcalling snails, rennala phase 1 again (and phase 2 is kind of gwyndolin-like if you squint, but less tedious), getting the bubble so you don't hear mohg saying the N word. there's at least one dungeon boss supported by a perfumer. most of the erdtree burial watchdog fights have an infighting component with crystal darts. the mimic tear fights can be exploited by unequipping everything before you go in. there's just so much game to ER that some people play through to credits and don't even see half this content. IMO they went too far in making the early dungeons simple and accessible so people thought they'd all be like that and stopped doing them after liurnia, but it's after liurnia that they started making much cooler dungeons with some meat on their bones.

>>712779569
When your defense of asset flipping is that it's the hundredth time the devs have done it, you're probably defending shit.

It's currently the 8th most played game on steam with 3x as many players as Elden Ring. How do you explain that?

>>712780603
I suppose the question is:
>Is asset flipping in of itself a net negative?
I'd say no, it's contextual.
So we can follow with:
>Is the asset flipping present in Nightreign a net negative?
Again, I'd say no.
Asset Flipping allows the developer to more quickly produce a workable game, for a lower cost (both to the dev and the end consumer), and allows them to focus on other aspects of the game such as gameplay and mechanics.

threadly reminder

>>712764103 (OP)
It's a lot of fun, I enjoy playing it with my friends and trying out different builds to new and old bosses of the series. Having a jolly good time.

Does this game make anyone else miss Phantasy Star Online?

>>712777165
Not playing woman simulator

>>712781538
I hate that this poison discourse both ways. You can't criticize elden ring because people will accuse you of being a shazamtranny. You can't say what you liked about elden ring because shazamtrannies will waste your time with bad faith shit

The root problem? Spics

>>712781672
it's fun picking up stuff that was dogshit in base ER and finding out it fucks in NR, like shattering crystal or elden stars
It's also nice that they didn't nerf shit that WAS good in base ER like lightning spear or power stance jump attacks

>>712770662
Nioh is more niche than nightreign
Sekiro is "hard" but very straightforward.

>>712783394
It's kinda always been this way. You just gotta develop a sense for which posts are worth responding to/starting an argument with. And not get triggered when the shitposters jump in on you.

>Get the Wylder ending after completing a run but forgetting to equip him with the silver tear
>Ending is just more "Actually the thing you did probably didn't work the way you were hoping and also now you're perpetuating the cycle of suffering" Souls schlock.
Have to admit I'm getting pretty tired of this shit. DaS3 had such a good conclusion because it had an ending that defied the status quo and allowed you to give the story some finality, and ER's endings are mostly shit but at least you have the option of just fucking everything forever (which isn't a good ending, but at least you can tell the stock hopeless Souls world to go fuck itself).

>>712783514
Shattering Crystal is good in base ER though, just slow and mostly gets ignored because muh stacking night comet or muh instant kill laser cheese.
It is funny seeing Death Rancor actually be a decent spell though, mostly because it just works really well with Duchess' kit.

>>712786180
it's bad for the same reason other multi-hit spells are bad
you get it early on but flat defense cripples the damage before you get good int scaling so everyone discards it in favor of pebbles

>>712767979
Get flasks. Prioritize ez bosses and gaols. Don't be slow. That's it.
You can also look at how weapons scale in the training area, since it's different than in ER.

>>712786180
Death Rancor always was a good spell. Though I do dislike how underwhelming int/fai builds were in Elden Ring compared to Dark Souls.

>>712785996
hand it over......... that thing......................... your night shard......................

>>712764103 (OP)
Game is really good. I just wish there was more of it. Like at least 200% more content.

>>712785996
That's Ironeye's ending though, Wylder just takes the NIghtlords place so another set of Nightfarers have to put him down and his buddies don't get Erdtree'd.
True ending and Recluse give you exactly what you're looking for dunno why you're bitching.

>>712785996
There's nothing wrong with the Ranni ending in ER
>help your waifu and fuck her everyday for the rest of time
Don't care about the other endings

>>712786992
Even ignoring how PoD staff doesn't get even reasonably good until absurdly high investment, Death Rancor and Ancient Death Rancor are just too FP hungry for how little they do. They only real niche they have is abuse with the mimic spirit, but there are a dozen ways to break the game with that piece of shit.

>>712764103 (OP)
I heard Stellar Blade was amazing, so I gave it a shot — it’s actual trash.
Honestly, Nightregin feels way more like a legit GOTY contender.
Between SB and Black Myth, why is every Chinese game so overhyped?

>>712764103 (OP)
clocked in over 100 hours so far and while it might not be a GOTY, it's still fun
and after 500+ hours in the base game and the dlc there's nothing for me to do anymore so nightreign scratches that itch for me

>>712787658
>Butt Muncher ending is about cursing everyone to a shitty existence forever for no real reason
It's not even like the Omen themselves are naturally a cursed existence. They once had an entire functioning (if fucked up like all Souls civilizations) society just fine. It's like Dung Eater specifically just makes people miserable cause that's his fetish.

>bird on team
>instantly goes to do the rememberance golem
>acting like if you so much as put a pinky toe in the rain it corrups your savefile and refunds your game
>tags the fucking mines twice
If you pick bird you should get turboAIDS and die

>>712787775
Be nice to see if people can get the Nightfarers functional in Elden Ring itself. Obviously it'd be unbalanced as shit, but might be fun anyway. Especially shit like Executor or Wylder with his grapple. Be nice if they could get the wall jump to work too.

>>712770027
>DS2 defender out of nowhere
no it's still the worst one or at least tied with ds3.

>>712787658
>There's nothing wrong with the Ranni ending in ER
Yes there is, the problem is Ranni and that she isn't smashed into pieces.

>>712788035
I'll smash ranni until she gets pregnant

>>712788035
Ranni's pelvis is smashed into pieces by the tarnished in that ending

>>712787915
could be fun but as an invader fag I would rather welcome back the pvp zones that were in dark souls 3 such as the aldrich zone after pontiff sulyvahn, it was so fun going there 2 purple guys vs 2 invaders vs 3 host+coop

>>712787914
>he doesn't help randos do their remembrances

>>712787914
I had a bird that waited until after the night 2 boss to drag us all into the rain to kill that golem. It worked out though, in fact probably the best way to do that without wasting day time.

>teammate goes down once after charging headfirst into retardville
>quits the game

post yfw

>>712785996
ER's vanilla ending is technically the second best given what's learned about Marika in the DLC. The only better one is Goldmask's which is just Marika's but with an addendum to keep other Gods out.

>>712764103 (OP)
They weren't making a game with a legacy, they were making an asset flip game that probably netted them a few mil profit.

>>712787658
>There's nothing wrong with the Ranni ending in ER
Isn't it kinda implied that Ranni's ending is what led to Nightreign, given she was all about the Night and Moon

Did they secretly buff Raider?
I think the first AND second time Raider goes down they only have 1 bar of revive to hit down.

>>712770662
>sekiro
>more skill-based than the souls games
lol, lmao even

>>712789038
The bar automatically returns to 1 after a while. I'm not sure how long it takes, but I've seen it happen in a nightlord fight once.

>>712777947
Theres not enough depth in the game for that

anyways I am 70+ hours in and thoroughly addicted

>>712789227
I thought it was just hitting a grace (maybe the flask church does it too)? Might be timing thing too.

>>712789727
Graces reset it too, but there's also a timer for it to reset naturally.

>>712788141
>>712788304
Elden Ring is where I realized my patience for Souls is over. Ranni was as close to a pure evil character as anyone in that game, but for some bizarre fucking reason she is also who the devs had a Mary Sue boner for and very desperately wanted me to like. The more Miyazaki seems obsessed with making me like his characters, the more I hate them.

>>712788864
Both of those endings are garbage and no one will ever care about a fucking skybox change.

>>712776616
Pirate it and try it out, thats what I did.

The game has been out for 391 hours. I've played it for about 48% of that time.

>>712787914
I am so awful with the bird. I have no idea how to play as this fucker.

>>712790074
Damn son. I had 40 something hours after it was out for 3 days and thought that was bad.

I fucking hate the shitty raider pillar

>play nightreign for 80 hours
>every other game feels slow by comparison
help me /v/ i cant play shit without a strict execution, time limits and optimization now

>people do rememberances in mp
damn, i hate wasting peoples time so i do them solo unless is the one to kill nightlords like the gremlin or the recluse

>Boss does combo
>As Guardian, tank through it with my shield
>Still take scratch damage anyway despite Fulghor doing only physical damage
Do the shields have inherent damage reduction? I thought they all had 100% phys reduction in this game.

>>712790324
If you play multiplayer with a voice group, either friends or random pick ups, doing remembrances isn't bad. Most of them give 30k runes for completing and are extremely easy to do. The problem is in a normal matchmaking game where the only coms are the pins, it's hard to get everyone to go to your remembrance objective when they can't even see it themselves.

>>712776871
meanwhile chad ISHIZAKI told us he beat all bosses solo pre-nerf and to git gud

>>712790074
I have a friend who has left the game open for the past 5 days and he still has less than you. Please seek help.

>>712790458
Correct, they all have 100% physical (and none of them have 100% in anything else). Fulghor just has a habit of hitting the ground BEHIND you and bypassing the shield. He also likes to sneak in holy spears even after you stun him.

>>712790525
>>712790074
by the way here's the in-game stats

>>712790097
I just beat night aspect in a team of 3 birds. Was fun as fuck you should learn to play.

>>712790623
forced 50% WR is real

>>712790267
>Dropped a bunch of good games to go hard in Nightreign when it released
>Weeks of Nightreign pass
>Don't want to go back to the old games
>Played hardly any Nextfes demos
I really need to stop playing Fortnite Ring but i CANT

>>712787785
The trick is that the misery porn is what empowered the hornsent.
They starved and resided in filth in order to achieve spiritual growth which translated to physical growth via the growth of bigger horns.

>>712789908
>Ranni was as close to a pure evil character as anyone in that game

>>712790458
It's annoying, but by Fulghor you should have some "heal on guard" and the like to help mitigate it. You'll still want to Iron Guard affinity attacks most of the time because your dodge is so shit, but it's worth learning when you can dodge it too.

>>712769635
>he didn't parry the nuke
bitchmade

>>712789908
>>712793502
Miyazaki has a massive boner for the concept of "ending stagnancy" in his work, both in terms of nature and the politics in his settings.
Its just a harder pill to swallow in ER because with Marika (you) are technically part of the group that would of benefited from her rule unlike with Gwyn. And in regards to Ranni she is way less moral than ORCA's goals.

>>712793923
Ranni's not some pure moral agent, obviously, and her actions (even if it's somewhat apparent that there were a couple other actors involved anyway) directly led to massive death and loss and chaos on her path to try and make a world free of the interference of insane God avatars.

But she's just as obviously, clearly, not among the most evil characters in the game. And certainly nowhere near "pure" evil.

>Team goes down
>Try to use ult
>I don't have my ult, it's only halfway charged
>I haven't used it at all the entire run
>We wipe as a result
What the fuck happened to my ult charge?

>>712769436
You're falling into a different trap, prioritizing levels/bosses over loot. Chest loot is FUCKING HUGE. If you actually want passives on equipment that aren't total dogshit, you need to loot things and go where the lootable things are. Camps and Castles have good loot if you actually go and look for it (or cathedrals if you're a magic user). Random field bosses CAN drop better, but it's a huge gamble that will leave you horribly undergeared more often than not.

You also didn't mention the center castle, which is almost always worth doing. Basement gets you an epic/legendary, and then there are 3-4 micro bosses (4 trolls, 3 crucibles, or 3 red-eyed banished and a cat) that earn you either useful loot or character passives quickly. Top is a waste of fucking time.

If you're getting over level 12 at the end of the game, you probably over-emphasized runes. Level 12 is the soft-cap for stats after which leveling up has very little benefit. It's also extremely easy to reach 12 (generally if you move well and don't completely fuck up and die, you'll probably get 12). Loot/passives should be your number 1 priority from the start. That also means that evergaols are dogshit because they only have 1 passive option per gaol (the other choice being runes which are largely useless in the long run).

>>712769869
Now imagine if you need to do radhan with two retarded summons

>>712794186
Don't know, but you should always run ult charge +3 on a relic so that even if you can't hit shit, your ult will automatically charge basically every camp.

>>712794124
>But she's just as obviously, clearly, not among the most evil characters in the game.
When you meet her in her tower, the very first thing she does is confess to committing a murder. She is directly responsible for the plague of deathblight. She is Machiavellian and ruthless, everyone who serves her except you ends up dead or worse and she seems completely unfazed by it all.

The problem with Ranni isn't any of this, it's this in combination with the way the game forces you to interact with her as a simp or to simply ignore all content related to her. Ranni is, somehow, the only demigod who cannot be slain, cannot be stopped, is impervious to Seluvis' date rape drink, and can instakill you. If I could choose how I dealt with her like you could in earlier Souls games, whatever. But since it's either worship or ignore, I take her shortcomings a lot more personally.

so...it's a good game afterall?

>>712769635
>matchmaking will be even more splintered

>>712795086
ye

>>712794984
>oh no she...le killed someone
just like everyone else in the game

>>712795086
/v/ btfo

>>712795086
>all the negative reviews came pouring in 0.0000000001 seconds after the game was out
>most of the reviews are positive after people actually had time to play it
curious

>>712795086
I kinda like it, but I would never pay 40 bucks for it, maybe 20 and that's still a bit too much

>>712795758
to be fair solo mode was unplayable at launch
I don't know why you'd want to play elden fortnite by yourself, but anyone who wanted to do so was fucked

>>712795590
I have come to believe that it is impossible for fantasy to be great without deep moral conviction from its creator underlying it. Tolkien had a deep moral conviction, as did Gene Wolfe, everyone who made great fantasy. Miyazaki doesn't have this.

Miyazaki doesn't have any moral reason to uphold Ranni, he's not making any kind of statement by glossing over her assassination or the plague she unleashed on the world. He has nothing to say about the necessity of schemers and murderers serving the greater good or anything like that. She was almost certainly chosen as the Mary Sue because she had the cutest concept art of any of the demigods and Miyazaki wanted to worship her, so we were all subjected to his fetishes.

The more time I spend with Elden Ring's world, the more I've come to realize I deeply hate Miyazaki's style. It's slop for people who think they're too good for slop.

I was giving it a lot of slack before release, but I have to admit that I like it more than SOTE. I guess I'd consider SOTE "better" because it has new environments and new content, but this is more fun.

>>712796147
Holy based.

>>712764103 (OP)
>some friends tried to loop me into this
>wasn't sold on it so I decided to wait and see gameplay before I decided
>game looked okay but nothing I can't live without
>friends telling me how I'm missing out and I fucked up by not getting it
>didn't want to escalate anything so I just kept to myself and coped by saying they probably wouldn't even be playing it a week from now
>tfw they actually haven't, the game literally lasted them a single week of casual play

>>712794984
Again, I don't disagree with that, but she is patently, fundamentally, not among the most evil characters in the game. You can, and probably should, hate her all you want (I myself am not really into just how many groups you need to just go along with to get half of the game accessible), but don't let that make you do stupid shit like ignore there's people whose entire motivation is "I like sticking stuff up corpse butts and just want to make the world suffer all the time cause it gets me off."

>>712790097
equip reflective damage shield gem thingie, dash into ur L1, win

>>712764103 (OP)
Why the fuck is the map always Limgrave? Aren't people tired of looking at the same gradient of grass and rocks after 40 hrs ?

>>712779360
>standing still in a corner waiting for it to lie down is le good design!
Pfff, you're trying way too hard mr retardditor lol

>>712764103 (OP)
man what a garbage piece of shit game. this is the first time I truly regret pre-ordering a game

>>712796147
>scheming...le bad
ok midwit

*i-frame rolls*
Realistically speaking, how can a boss or enemy respond to this without sounding mad?

>>712797004
Yes, believe it or not, courtesans who plot murders have not been respected in most places throughout most of history.

>>712797197
They keep their 30 hit combo going.

>>712797197
nooooooooooooooooo only im allowed to do the cuh-razyyy anime megaflips stop moving arouuuund >:(

Doing all the rememberances with everyone and after about 20 attempts, I finally beat the last nightlord with Recluse. I kept either having really bad teammates who I can't understand how the fuck they got to Heolstor, and/or I got absolute shit drops and had to fight with gravity well/adula's moonblade or just melee as a character with shit stamina and hp

>>712797197
unironically we should bring back adaptability

>>712796410
Idk, introducing death to a deathless world seens pretty pure evil to me.

>>712798997
Removing death in the first place was worse

I think I figured out Guardian. You NEVER need to stop attacking. Ever. Halberds, Thrusting Swords, Spears, etc. If you can guard poke with it, you should be using it. If the enemy is attacking, Steel Guard will keep you safe and sound while you poke. No need to respond with a guard counter unless the enemy's combo is at its end. Just get up in their face and keep attacking, even if you're not targeted. You will remain alive and keep the pressure on the enemy.

>>712764103 (OP)

>>712799146
this isnt in the game?

>>712797704
tiddies...

>>712799146
shit it's getting hot in here

>>712799146
that's not how you absorb FP

>>712797704
carian slicer absolutely fucks on recluse. You just have to get good at dodging because there is little room for mistake. You can also use incantations on her just fine

>>712799217
No
Duchess is for BWC (big wyder cock)

>>712799660
Duchess will sleep with anyone who asks.

>>712799146
based

>>712799693
even me?

>dump the most obvious recycled asset game as a stopgap until their next masterpiece
>It's somehow actually good and fun
How did Fromsoft get away with it.

>>712799762
they understood what makes a game fun: fighting stuff with friends (or just random players). you don't need to zanzibart everything with random dialogue that makes no sense, except for the remember quests cuz none of that shit made sense just like in ER but you dont ever even need to do those

>>712799723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJtiQa9WTD4

>>712797197
By just spamming attacks nonstop until the player runs out of stamina.

>>712799859
Well, consider how many game release fail, even game with huge budget that got built from scratch, that's impressive. It's not like nightreign is the only co-op game out there

>>712799660
>Step bro didn't do the remembrances.

>>712797197
They already solved this in ER. If you spam roll you're missing out on a guard counter, parry or jump attack. SOTE added a few bosses with huge hurtboxes and lots of active frames but big delay between attacks which means you can spam block/deflect into guard counter but rolling requires precision for very little payoff.

>>712800306
>step
They are related

>100 hours
>done everything there is to do
>still have a lot of fun carrying shitters
I really really hope they dont just abandon the game after dlc (they will)

>>712799762
Because aversion to reused assets and thinking its an inherently bad thing is fucking dumb.
Replaying the game in any capacity is you "reusing" it. It's fun to go through the fights again, because the first time you might have gotten lucky or had different starting conditions.
I think that this hate of reused assets comes from
1) entitlement and sentiment that once you have beaten thing one time, you shouldn't ever have to engage it again, since you beaten it and think of having mastered it (which is usually not the case)
2) purely visual flair, noone complained that Omenkillers use the capra skeleton and have nearly the same moveset to the point of even having tail bones
Good assets deserve to be reused, nothin' wrong with them. There is only so many patterns of a knight dude swinging at you that can be made anyways

>>712800940
I just hope they don't really add duo mode

>>712764924
millions of people DID buy it

It's fun but I've seen everything the game has to offer after 80h. Really hope they keep adding stuff to the game, fuck it just recycle more from DaS 1-3, add in 2 more characters, at least 2 more maps (won't happen) etc.

Really like the game, just wish there was more content and more random shit that happens.

>>712801927
I mean I have seen everything/most of what Balatro or DCSS/Caves of Qud have to offer, doesn't mean those aren't replayable.
>at least 2 more maps (won't happen)
Why? More maps just means more random ass elevation. Maybe there is a point if its a giant city instead of hills but meh. I'd rather they add a giant underground layer to the existing Limveld, thus bringing back Chalice Dungeons.
Also pretty guaranteed you haven't seen a chunk of the random events. They are admittedly too rare kinda, just like Shifting Earths.

I want more bosses and different maps

Playing recluse is funny
You're either carrying the run or complete dead weight
Wish there was a way to be more consistent

>>712800369
I did everything by roll spamming and mashing my super move laser button for my weapon. You try to make it sound more complex than it really is, but rolling like a retard and shooting a laser will always be the top tier in these games because the combat isn't good or deep in any meaningful way.

>>712802334
No you did not

>>712801287
they said they will but they would be braindead to not make it password only

>>712802284
in my experience playing recluse, i was usually the last one alive when the others had two pie slices. spending 60 seconds dodging the boss to revive them once was enough. the second time i just always gave up, there's no point fighting with no fp and trying to take it back was too time consuming.

>>712764103 (OP)
>Oh yeah, THAT happened...
great game where the majority of players are on console.

>>712802334
>game with 400+ weapons, 100+ ashes and 200+ spells has a few broken options that let you ignore the fundamentals

>>712802715
wrong

>>712802865
post the full link

>>712802904
https://wnhub.io/news/analytics/item-47987

Miyazaki betrayed us me ; the single player enjoyers

>>712804036

>>712804036
Nice to see that he is getting the reputation he deserves, I enjoyed this motherfucker since the first time I saw him.

>>712796147

Tolkien.. just about the most basic level of moral reasoning you can get.

why is he so cool bros?

>Facing Caligo, I'm the only one who picked up the mountaintops power while the shifting earth was active
>None of us have fire weapons so this is gonna be a slog
>But I have 93 guard boost so get fucked ice breath
>Two teammates are down, ice breath incoming
>Guard it and weather the storm, then revive them
Being a bulwark feels cool. No, my ult wasn't charged, I already used it.

>>712764103 (OP)
i always turn multiplayer stuff off in from games so I assumed this wasn't really for me

>>712804036
legit harder than some nightlords

>>712804814
Perhaps if you're a coward

>teammates start sprinting towards the Draconic Tree Sentinel
beating him with randoms is so hard idk why they keep ramming their head into him

>Recluse and Ironeye fall, 2 bars each
>Rather than deal with being distracted trying to revive them, keep fighting the Nightlord and try to build up my ult to revive them
>Wind up killing the Nightlord myself before I could complete my ult charge
>Recluse celebrates, Ironeye doesn't move
What did you want me to do?

>>712807096
idk

>Fight Dancer of the Boreal Valley
>Sit behind her the entire fight and smack her ass
Just like in DS3. She seems a lot smaller in Nightreign than she was in DS3 though.

BBH has very simple patterns but he punishes panic rolling, mindless blocking and mashing R1 so that's 99% of the playerbase filtered.

dude just made an arcade version of a souls game and re-invented the experience

>>712807452
He also punishes keeping your distance, because his Eochaid moves are faster than his actual handheld moves. Unfortunately when he switches aggro his new target tends to be at a distance, so that Recluse mixing a cocktail and thought she was safe cause Wylder was whacking him is gonna eat shit instantly.

>>712807092
It's not about "winning" the expedition, Anon.
Our greatest adversaries are the ones we *choose* to challenge.
—Bruce Lee (don't Google, just believe)

>>712807663
Any competent recluse will not be using cocktail in front of a real threat.

>>712807704
You gotta mix to keep collecting residues for FP restoration though. I wish you could toss out the ones you get to keep collecting, but you can't.

Draconic Tree Sentinel is a worse boss to fight than Elemer.
>Spams both ranged and close-range moves
>Mixes strong physical moves with elemental, so you can't really guard, you have to dodge
>When stancebroken can't be riposted
>Moves fast to close distance
>Can snipe you even from behind cover with his orbital lightning strike move
Prove me wrong.

Their next game is also multiplayer slop.

>>712804036
What the fuck was his problem
Why does he kill you in one hit at level 10

>>712804609

>>712804036
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HELP ME NIGGERMAN

>>712804036

>>712807096
probably realized you'd either clear or wipe without reviving so went to take a shit

>>712808249
i'm a sucker for edgy shit and he's in my top 10 best bosses in fromsotf games

>finally convinced friends to play together
>i main revenant, one of them duchess the other wylder
>duchess is a toxic "do as i say and nothing else"
>we keep on losing every run because we never get the weapon the boss is weak to, only focus on killing what's nearby to get levels
>i'm regularly the last one to die in the run, duchess constantly screeches at me because "you should be our support and healslut" and wants me to revive everyone even when the boss is focusing on me and not on the summons
>the only time we won was when they actually followed me, and i got a weapon that melted the boss
Having friend is difficult...

>>712808249
This boss has some really cool moves and phases, this is the kind of shit I was expecting to see in SOTE's final boss.
The way he cuts through the celestial vault, kind of bending the fabric of time, it's fucking cool.

>>712772972
>fun arenas
funny how you didnt include the Bed Of Chaos map...

>>712809862
No! They need to watch ME le heckin' solo the boss in my finest hour!
Then they are supposed to emote in approbation when I win!

Executor is fun as fuck and the only character I can win with
I like having the werewolf as a “I don’t feel like fighting this boss” button

>>712811850
Sorry bro but you'll have to carry me while I wipe my ass. No refunds!

>>712812038
Un-Ironeye-onically yes.
If I cannot and will not be able to actively play, I'm taking a shit.

>>712764103 (OP)
It's boring alone and frustrating with others
Never again please
Now Duskbloods just has to fail too and they will never do something like this again

>>712802334
y-you didn't beat the game

>>712812631
Its a riot with friends and pretty decent with randoms
also
>fail too
>
Nightreign literally sold 300k before it even launched and sold 3 millions in its first days while SotE sold 5mil after 3 days

>>712813348
Tons of people refunded

>>712811694
DS1 bosses with "interesting" arenas:
>Asylum Demon (bit of a stretch as the plunge is a one-off feature and not something you utilize while you're actively fighting the boss)
>Taurus Demon
>Gargoyles
>Moonlight Butterfly
>Capra Demon
>Gaping Dragon (doesn't factor into the fight directly, just punishes you if you didn't explore the depths properly)
>Iron Golem
>Ornstein and Smough
>Gwyndolin
>Nito
>Ceaseless Discharge
>Centipede Demon
>Bed of Chaos

DS1 bosses with featureless flat circles or squares:
>Quelaag
>Stray Demon
>Demon Firesage
>Pinwheel
>Sif
>Four Kings
>Seath
>Priscilla
>Gwyn
>Sanctuary Guardian
>Artorias
>Kalameet
>Manus
The flat circles kind of win out here overall I think. Higher highs and higher lows. I appreciate some of the more interesting arenas but most of them are not good fights and varied terrain doesn't make them better. The notable feature of Ceaseless Discharge's arena is that you can skip the fight if you know how. That's not good design, that's admission that you made a boss nobody wants to fight. Nobody was ever happy to get thrown out of Iron Golem's arena and find out their bloodstain got spawned in the deathpit. As much as O&S is an iconic fight, using the pillars like you're supposed to makes Ornstein bug the fuck out and fly all over the place erratically. It kind of reminds me of people lamenting the removal of covenants, as if they weren't pathetically phoned in by the time of DS3. I'd rather they make bosses that are fun and engaging than janky buggy shit but there's a staircase in the arena so I can pretend that it's an intellectual experience.

>>712813647
>actually-it-wont-sell-like-crazy,pasta
lmfao totally

>>712813647
Love this desperate cope being used when a game succeeds.

>>712764103 (OP)
I've heard there's multiple endings? Do I have to equip certain items to get the "good" ending?

>>712813952
you complete the character quests

>>712764103 (OP)
I hate paying for DLC, if I buy the Mega Extra Super Deluxe edition I'll get everything that will release for the game in the future? How's the monetization in this?

>>712814098
oooh okay so if I don't do any of the "rememberances" I get the bad ending but if I complete their full questline I get the "good" ending?

>>712814151
one and done deal
you will get the dlc with the deluxe edition but you're also paying extra for the art gallery and OST

>>712814276
I wouldn't say the default ending is a bad one
Its more like some characters get their own additional closure

>>712814347
perfect thank you!

>>712810254
>Having friend is difficult...
it's actually a social skill issue

>>712807771
Each mage tower is at least 2 starlight shards, day 1 and 2 merchants sell shards for 1200 each.

>>712810254
>have two brothers
>all of us have beaten elden ring
>they don't want to fight bosses and be challenged
>lose most of the time

>>712814837
But everyone except me is retarded.

>>712814151
I don't see the problem with DLC because From Software is pretty fair with that.

How many bosses are there? I’m just not interested in it because it seems you run through, beat all the bosses, and then that’s it. Like do they really expect people to just repeat that ad nauseum? It just seems like a bad way to make a multiplayer focused game, some PvP element would make it have much more longevity.

>>712816169
Fuck off, retard.
The replayability of a rougelike should come from meaningful RNG.
The problem is that nothing is especially game changing outside outside of permanent relics.

>>712816169
The differences in gameplay between each character and the randomness of each run is enough to keep things relatively fresh
It's not a game I'll put 300 hours into but I think the formula works, even if it could have more depth

It's fun as fuck and I hated Elden Ring

>>712764103 (OP)
A game about the worst part of the souls series? Guaranteed flop. WTF were they thinking?

OH YEAH that happened.

>>712764352
it's probably my goty because there's just not many good games
it's just all the fun parts of souls games without any of the boring parts
and it's fucking half the price of modern (((AAA))) trash

>>712767979
ignore the first idiot
flask charges are not as important as getting good gear and leveling
they are important just not as important
as long as you hit at least 2 churches for flasks before day 3, you're fine
also stick with your group mostly, splitting up can ruin the run
if you're just starting out, Wylder, Guardian, Raider, and Ironeye are your best bets until you get more comfortable with the game
good luck

>>712769225
yeah a dungeon crawler might've been neat but nightreign really creates a lot of tension and I find it very enjoyable
it's crazy when the evergaol boss is at 15% but you're already in the blue and everyone is out of flasks so you have to make the tough decision to just leave off
and that's just one example
it's so good
I just hope they keep adding stuff and refining the formula

>>712778386
see, after playing nightreign, I have zero desire to play ER again
nightreign is just way more enjoyable, getting 40 minute runs in where it's constant action with no downtime, and with a few exceptions with randoms ditching like little babies, it's almost always fun whether it's a win or a loss
I can't imagine going back to play ER where fighting a boss isnt a big deal because you'll just spawn right at the boss gate again

>>712790097
get a relic effect that damages enemies when you use your power block ability
it will get up downed teammates nearby
save your ult for teammates that are at least 2 bars
also USE the power block stance, it can tank through bosses easily

>>712787914
imagine being the faggot that complains about helping someone finish their quest
I bet you play Revenant and keep legendary colossal weapons instead of giving them to your Raider
fucking queer

>>712822273
If the Orb wanted the Raider to have that legendary colossal weapon, it would have given it to him.

I don't want to make a thread but I'm still pissed the base game has so much shit unanswered.
It's not info that can be easily ignored it's vital to the fucking story.
All of these things and more are literal fan fiction guessing and have zero evidence.
mentioning gloam eyed queen 500 times and never getting anything concrete about them
Melina .. everything about Melina.

I could keep going but what sent me over the edge is people looking at fucking architecture and archeological research to figure anything out about this meaningless throw shit at a wall lore series.
I'm sorry but even if that was somehow intended. Which it isnt. Ur telling me they didn't want certain things to be discovered unless you had a PhD in ancient world history and archeological studies? Watching tarnished archeologist is cool but what a fucking reach. I refuse to believe any of it.
Dark souls was never this obtuse. It's like if everything in elden ring had the available information that dark souls has for velka AKa basically nothing concrete.

>>712778139
NTA but personally I only replay Souls games a handful of times yeah. I mean I usually do something like NG+++ and a new character or two, but I don't replay them hundreds of times. I spend a lot of time invading too though.

>>712799859
>randoms

Eat shit and die faggot. I like to win and carrying other shitters is something retarded troglodytes like you might like but I'm looking for common sense at the very least

>>712823397
>I like to win
>can't carry for shit
lol u suk

>play executor
>every run is a bleeding/arcane run
No point doing anything else

>>712813647
lol

Builds You guys like? I've got 100 hours but basically bored and only play with friends who aren't done.
The literal only solution to Guardian being able to do damage I've found is stacking two statuses on his base weapon and bringing guard counter plus relics. Nothing else can save his lack of dps.
For duchess I've stopped going for dagger makes you do reprisal after a combo. It got insanely boring being pigeon holed into just daggers. Just having skill cdr and reprisal attack buff is fine desu.
Executor I like to tank with him and bring in 3 vigor on every slot with deflect gives a damage buff. Feels insane with this combo if you stack damage negation passive in game.

I need a good wylder revenant build. For wylder I just use his final remembrance relic with as much phys damage up as I can get. I would use evergaol prisoner damage but all my relics suck that have it.

They better be working on tower climbing/dungeon delving mode.
I just want to see more interiors, dunno, castle isn't enough.

>>712824423
picrel is so underrated

>nightrein is whatever
>ds3le is about to release
woo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2YdKNQHidM

I really wish they worked on the roguelike aspect more
there's fuck all to do once you kill all 8 bosses and relics are barely game changing at all

>>712824423
Man, I wish this was a normal game and not balanced around f2p nonsense.

>>712825201
one map is just fucking depressing idk how else to put it. Even if it was the same exact map but a different biome I wouldn't feel as bored.

>>712799146
she shouldn't cheat on her brother

>>712767727
What's the strat? The ghosts seem too weak to distract or deal damage.

>>712827621
nta but she is good lol.
The summons are fine just keep them out as much as possible, they die fast but with 3 they draw enough aggro or do enough dps to feel amazing. Remember that is only an ability and it's still the best in the game.

Other than that it's playing elden ring without blue flask, need to hoard starlight shards.

Bring all the summons get buffed relics, maybe even vigor or mind if you can. I personally think her starter weapon is overrated, it's an "S" Scaling but still does no damage. Just use the best purple melee you can find as backup.
My goal is to hoard every single starlight before the final boss, merchants sell two. final merchant sells two. That's 4 guarenteed and all you need. Her biggest issue isn't mana, it's her low health pool, because im pretty sure they intended for her to melee a bit but vs nightlords its suicidal to bother.

>>712827943
What am I using the shards for? Weapon arts or miracles?

>>712828214
miracles 99% of the time. I don't bother with 'fancy' incantations, they were fucking bait in ER and theyre bait here. They take way too long to cast. Shit like dragon incantations, breaths take WAYYY too much mana, if you find the scarlet rot breath use that for sure though. I just use lightning spear tier incantations.

STACK reduced spell cost items, I had a run yesterday where my black flame literally cost like 3 fp a cast, it was ridiculous. I didn't need a single starlight shard. Stack as much mana stuff as you can get. Max mana and reduced spell cost is better than successive attacks restore fp (though this is still a good option). Problem with attacks give mana is you need to hit like 4+ times to proc and it gives you like 5-10 fp lol

>>712771029
Isn't that the standard cycle

While fighting a boss
>this is the most terribly designed piece of fucking shit ever
After winning
>me and you were closer than siblings I will always remember our time together

>>712828454
Ok, I'll try her again. Shame the skill cooldown relics don't effect her summon regen.

>>712828636
Agreed, I would take a summon buff as well but my theory is they did not want 3 revenant teams to auto win the game. If only one class could be used by players im convinced they would scale better.
I still think they deserve a nightlord fight buff. As in they get stronger but only vs the final boss. But theyre still useful for aggro regardless.

>>712828636
before I forget, best passives in order imo
Reduced spell cost
Get FP when you take damage
Damage negation when casting
Damage negation stuff in general (like at max hp)
Spell casting speed.
Best relics im still figuring out, I just use all the summon buff stuff I can find with hp + mind where I can fit it in.

>>712827943
>do enough dps to feel amazing
lmao
>>712829168
>Get FP when you take damage
roflmao

>>712829168
Thanks, hopefully I get some summon buff relics soon; don't think there's any you can buy from the jar, but I didn't look too hard.

>>712829342
tf you want from me shitter she's fine, I've solo'd every boss in the game with this character and those are the best item passives she can get. Any fp is fp, and yeah you will get hit so getting 4-8 fp a hit is pretty hecking useful.
S scaling in faith with reduced spell costs means she can just spam spells.

Idk why the fuck I replied to you, I can smell you're horrible at this game anyway.

>>712829574
>Fred hits the boss for 31.
>INSANE DPS!
>Nightlord hits you for 90% of your HP bar
>BUT I GOT 6 MANA BACK ITS SO GOOD!
You're fucking retarded. Straight up brain dead.

>>712829574
>>712829342
Helen does 200 damage a fucking hit at 15, that's as much damage as a guardian using a purple weapon roflmao!. That's how I know ur horrible.

>>712829683
Ya 31 damage, Fred hits for 150+, Helen for 200. Sebastian is the one doing no damage and I can tell you don't play the game please shut the fuck up. Besides reduced spell costs and the usual negation damage, yes it is viable to bring fp on damage, the fuck else would you take.

>>712824208
>The literal only solution to Guardian being able to do damage I've found is stacking two statuses on his base weapon and bringing guard counter plus relics. Nothing else can save his lack of dps.
Stack Guard Up, get up in the enemy's face and poke them to death. You shouldn't have or need downtime. Shield poke when they're attacking, guard counter at the end of their attack combo.

>>712828747
3 raiders just steamroll one punch at a time

>>712829843
>6 mana for every flask?
>sign me the fuck up!
r e t a r d e d

>>712764352
>What the fuck was From thinking with this game?
>"Hey boss we don't really have anything to do while your team is working on Elden Ring because we're between contracts and we've noticed randomizers for our old games are really popular. Could we borrow the assets from Elden Ring and make a quick session-based game retards'll pay double its value for?"
>"Yeah sure go ahead."

>>712829962
Do you know how broken damage negation is? Good god please. PLEASE stop pretending like you know how the game works.
With damage negation at full hp you will take at most 25% of your hp. Guess who has an S scaling in faith and starts with heal on her spell? That's right, the character you claim to be an expert on, revenant. With reduced spell cost that is like a 4 fp spell.
You are LITERALLY. FUCKING. RETARDED. stop replying like if you know what the fuck ur talking about, shutup.

>>712829962
Anon you can just ult to not die, passives that proc on low HP or taking damage are great on her.

>>712830356
dont reply to this shitter you can tell he got filtered and is malding that I claimed revenant is great, she really is a good character. He just got fucking filtered cause hes low iq. He's talking about using flasks when this bitch is an S scaling faith user and starts with heal. He literally just got filtered and has no idea how broken damage negation and yes, ulting to take hits and abuse fp on hit while full sending dps can be. Revenant is an actual IQ filter.

>on a 13 run win streak solo
>decide to do matchmake to do a boss I can consistently stomp solo
>we all get fucking annihilated by the same AoE and lose the run
Damn I think solo might unironically be easy mode.

>>712830153
>keeping your seal that doesn't have a passive through to the nightlord
LOL
>>712830356
>using your ult to lose all your HP to get 24 mana back
such a good use of resources! you're so smart anon!

>>712829962
>he unironically gets hit with no dmg negation for meager fp gains
>doesnt bother to unga bunga with ult to get more fp
Holy shitter

>>712778861
Debunked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oskS861joJY

>>712830714
and ur mad u got filtered by this insanely good character and are too horrible to play her haha :^) post ur solo runs on her faggot or shut the fuck up

>>712830837
>solo
No wonder you can afford to not pick up weapons...

>>712830714
>using your ult to lose all your HP
Well I think we’re done here, this is the kinda of people giving revenant a bad name because they’re too retarded to play her with any meaningful proficiency

>>712767979
Get 3600 souls and level up to 2 as fast as possible, then do all the churches, only stopping for large fortifications (But not the biggest one, typically either a special location on the corners or a massive castle in the middle) or mines between them, until the start of day 2. Then you do bigger locations there, including popping open Evergaols.

Even if you don't like a weapon, it may have a passive buff that is present even if it's just in your inventory and not in either of your hands. I was doing 6,000 damage crits because I got four different staves that all had "Improved Critical Hits" and it was on Raider who eats posture for breakfast.

When you use the bird to fly around, don't touch your fucking controller. It flies along a set path. If you start moving around while it's carrying you, it'll drop you off. Either wait until you're close to your destination or let it carry you the full way.

Spirit Springs are not rail-guided, you can use them to go in any direction. If you chain Spirit Spring to Spirit Spring, you can cover half the map in seconds and save a lot of time.

Forts and cathedrals always have Stonesword keys - it didn't spawn without one, you just missed it. Mines always have Somber Smithing Stones, same thing.

Level 13-15 is not required, due to how your stats go up each level you're effectively softcapped at 12. But it's fun to get if you can!

In Fire Camps, the third Redmane Soldier is up in the wooden tower raining gravity arrows on you. In Lightning Camps, two of the lightning soldiers are standing inf ront of catapults on the highest hills.

Do not bother with Bell Bearing Hunters and Royal Carian Knight unless you're at least level 9 and confident in your equipment/team.

Interact+Ping pings your location, if near an item (you need to see the prompt to pick it up) it pings the item.

Fire+Lightning gives Recluse an autoparry, so if you're playing with a Recluse, get Fire+Lightning items for her.

Remember to have fun!

>>712830734
Nice cope. That's why alluring skulls don't work, right?

>>712830937
nah i trio mainly just got a 15 win streak solo and got bored testing revenant setups, you? Yeah keep coping bro you have revealed yourself to be horrible. Shutup, thanks.

I spared Recluse, it didn't make sense to attack her. She made the wind-destoying curse to neutralize storms to save lives, and the curse was repurposed by other people to attack the pinionfolk. That's like blaming a smith for the murders someone who wielded one of their swords commits. The Guardian was right, knowledge begets power. With that knowledge, and understanding who the Recluse is and why she did what she did, the cursed brooch is now wielded for a better purpose.

>>712831254
>Yes you SHOULD use dmg taken for FP on the lowest HP class in the game
>as opposed to literally any other means of FP restore
>as opposed to increased dmg
>as opposed to increased spell cast
You're the one giving intentionally bad advice to new players. I'm just making fun of you for giving bad advice. FP restore in general is pretty bad but that's literally the worst form of FP restore for rev. You play on baby mode and you're giving advice like you know how to play the game but you don't. You keep telling people not to respond to me but you can't stop. It hurts your ego too badly for me to continually call your retardation out.

>>712831583
So have you beaten all nightlords solo with revenant or are you theorycrafting out of your ass?

>>712831341
Well that and they fuckin

>>712831639
>solo
I don't play on baby mode friend. You thinking helen hits for 200 fucking dmg is fucking insane lmao.

>>712831117
>then do all the churches
Peak noob behaviour
>until the start of day 2. Then you do bigger locations there, including popping open Evergaols
Or you do them on day 1 right after you get a stonesword key since most of them are not hard.

>>712831734
evergaols scale with time or level or something.
You can open them at level 2 any they're easy.

>>712822830
All of those things are answered to, you just didn't pick up on the clues

>>712831583
shut the fuck up bro she doesn't need 5% spell damage over as much damage negation stacking as possible and reduced spell cost. You can take the damage buffs from the boss passives. Her name of the game is DPS. You want to slam 500 lightning spears. Good god you don't know what the fuck ur saying bro, CHILL. I'm telling you, you are retarded. yes, that fp gain with insane spell reduction cost on low-mid tier spells, is INSANE. When you do get hit, thats 2 spells with this setup you can cast. And guess what you stupid fucking retard, boss dps works. As in when you get chipped from a roar that does like 10 damage a hit, you're getting fp. So yeah, it's fucking strong. SHUT UP.

>>712831117
It's seriously a complete waste of time to get all churches

>>712831823
>evergaols scale with time or level or something.
Sure thing, got a source?
Because you can get a Day 1 Ancient Dragon or Day 2 Beastmen or Misbegotten.
So like everything they're most likely a set by a seed at game start.

>>712831889
FP restoration on damage is good for HIGH hp classes not low hp classes retard.
Literally every other form of FP regen is better for her that's her worst possible option for restore, but FP restoration at all is fucking bait for spell casters.
You should have 8-12 starlight shards by the night lord.
Wasting a passive or relic slot on FP restore is retarded, but you also waste a weapon slot for her basic seal so you wouldn't really understand.
As soon as you stop playing on baby mode you'll start to figure it out.

>>712832053
I'm not suggesting that the spawns are determined by something, but that the HP of the mobs spawned are determined by something. We always beeline for gaols when we get a key but none of us have "start with a key" yet to properly test.

>>712832501
Oh, you mean the reduced health thingy. That makes more sense but that still supports my original point of only doing gaols on Day 2 being stupid.

>>712831889
>So yeah, it's fucking strong
>>712832221
>FP restoration at all is fucking bait for spell casters
You are both absolute morons. FP for successive attacks is broken on her starting claws.

>>712832221
Name one other fp gain item passive.
FP Restore on hit? You get 2-3 fp a melee hit and it has to be equipped. That's the only other one dumb fuck.
No, im not doing that over a better melee weapon and my seal in offhand.
8-12 starlight shards if you search every mage tower and waste time sure! Or you can just stack spell cost reduction and use 4 fp a spell, I think id rather that, and I did tell him to come in with 4 starlight shards, 2 from the world merchants and 2 from final merchant.
"Wasting" a passive slot is an insane take, what else would you put there LMAO. Once you get hp negation full hp, hp negation on spell cast and maybe at low hp, theres nothing left except spell buffs, and imo she doesnt need +1 spell casting speed, though it is nice, over ramping spell cost reduction. I also told him to bring vigor/hp relics if possible.
"Baby mode". I mean, you act is if i only solo and I don't, I play with friends, I play solo, it doesnt matter she pwns regardless.
You're so caught up on this fp on hit passive thing, its a nice bonus that is meant to supplement her lower spell cost reduction and starlight shards. You are so fucking retarded im done, seriously you dont know what the fuck ur saying. 8-12 starlight shards? LMAO good luck finding those without bricking ur run, talk about fucking rng, thats an insane take, she doesnt need more than fucking 4 for the final boss anyway so I know ur retarded, even in multiplayer 4 is the max you need. Shitter.

>>712832673
>still supports my original point of only doing gaols on Day 2 being stupid.
I did say you should be opening them from level 2. Level 2 on day 2 would be a pretty bad run.

>>712832835
nah post wins on revenant bro I can tell ur also retarded, successive attacks even on her claw, which means you have to keep that shitty no stat weapon FYI, takes four hits to proc for 5 fp, its horrible if you mean the boss relic. Yeah taking fp on hits, IF YOU CAN FIND IT, on a run is good, sure, but thats a layer of rng and it is not that common to find. Keep blogging about this character neither of you play. I wanna hear it.

>>712833038
successive attacks restore fp boss passive is what I meant to say is too rng to rely on*, You don't get that every run lmao. So what do we do to offset that? We follow my build, fucking retards on this site I swear to god.

What's fp?

>>712832890
>I'm DONE [giving incorrect advice]
Ok? Good?
>FP RESTORATION IS SO IMPORTANT OMG
>24 mana for my ult? SUCH A GOOD TRADE
>starlight shards? gross I don't need those.
>mage towers that have 10+ starlight shards? Why would I ever do those?
You're fucking retarded. You have a warped perception of the game because you play on baby mode.

>>712833457
haha ok!

I guess girls love guys that can do "feminine" things?

>>712833136
>shitty no stat weapon
Has an S in faith scaling and can easily be upgraded to purple.

>We follow my build
That other Anon rightfully called you a retard.

>>712833707
Girls love hot guys who do anything, really.

>>712764352
the fact we could have had the nightreign content in the DLC instead... imagine the sheer fucking kino we missed out on

>>712833858
S scaling in faith, ends the game with no damage anyway, no passive, slow attacks

Haha yeah! I'm gonna keep the starter weapon!

Nah you will realize how filtered you were one day, or maybe not. Regardless, please understand how wrong you truly are. If anyone needs item passives its revenant. You act as if walking up to the boss and doing a fucking full combo with 6 hits of her 1 handed attacks (yes it needs 6 attacks) or 3 hits 2 handed is worth ur fucking time for 5 fp. Like I said getting fp on attack as a boss passive, great!
Fp on attack from an item is too rng since you have to equip it.

Why are you all so confidently retarded? You're not getting 6 hits off on the fucking boss for 5 fp reliably. Fucking nigger

>>712833858
Im gonna keep my starter weapon every run instead of using shit like night and flame or coded sword! Aren't I fucking smart! rofl. Good god shutup.

>>712834319
>the old no weapon revenant strat
brought to you by solo play.
>>712834468
There are only two faith weapons in the game besides revenant's starter. Banking on getting one of them would be retarded. You're not retarded are you anon?

>>712834468
>doing a run as Revenant
>still using my starter weapon because I have found no Faith scaling weapons since
>look to the side on the night two boss
>see Executor doing the SoNaF weapon arts
>we had even passed by the weapon duplicator in Noklateo

>>712834319
Sounds like you need to git gud instead of making schizo builds that rely on taking damage on low health characters.
It's literally a non-issue for me. Hell, you can even do the meme and use strenth weapons in solo runs.

>>712831734
>Peak noob behavior
It got me through every single boss just fine so clearly it's not a bad behavior to have. Do you call using a fork to eat spaghetti noob behavior too?
>Or you do them on day 1 right after you get a stonesword key since most of them are not hard.
Yeah and then you get exclusively white/blue with maybe one purple you can't use so at best all you get is a smattering of runes that will total up to maybe 2 levels you could've easily gotten at other locations. You do Evergaols day 2 since they scale, and at least one evolves into an Old Evergaol that drops a legendary.
Never do Evergaols day 1. You do the churches day 1 because they're set in such a way you will always pass by low-tier spots to hit chests and build up runes, and drop boluses, greases, and other consumables (including silver feet) that benefit your grinding on Day 2.

>>712831823
They scale with both time and level. Early on at low level they'll have significantly reduced HP and damage while on Day 2 past level 8 or so they will have closer to 80% HP and full damage.

>>712832003
If you're capable of going no-hit on these guys, then sure, but the routes you need to take to hit all the churches are good for Day 1 prep.

>>712831648
it's not like that, she's just his teacher

>>712834468
>>712834676
The scaling in Nightreing means that Wylder does better damage with SoNaF than even Recluse.
Yes that includes the weapon arts.
Test it on the training dummy before you piss yourself in rage at the truth.

I gotta say, after doing all the character remembrances, I've had a lot of fun with all of them (except revenant a shit). It's a great system to force you to get out of your confort zone. I hated raider at first, but now I find it amazing.

>>712834643
You are so fucking stupid bro, you just use the highest AR weapon you find, even if its a dog shit dagger but procs scarlet rot id rather that over the fucking starter weapon every game.
Golden epitaph
sword night and flame
coded sword
Cipher pata
envoy horn
etc etc. She shouldn't be meleeing much anyway sorry but ur just too stupid to use anything else i guess. Halo scythe, winged scythe. All better.

>>712835083
you act as if this is news, its still good on her lmao. 180 damage at 15. For a straight sword? mogs the fuck out of those shitty claws. faggot. keep using ur dog shit retarded ideas i dont care, i tried to teach u shitters how to play her. Oh well

>>712835083
I know that.
But Executor isn't Wylder and, more importantly, if you can DUPLICATE a legendary weapon with good scaling for a teammate to give them, it would just be prudent to do so. Especially because he only used the weapon to empty out his FP bar.

>>712835228
>you just use the highest AR weapon you find,
Aka starter claws unless you can find coded sword or cipher patas.
>golden epitah
C scaling
>SoNaF
C scaling
>envoy
D scaling.
>etc etc
there is no ETC ETC. There are 3 faith weapons in the game. Revenants claws, coded sword, cipher patas.

>>712835010
>one evolves into an Old Evergaol that drops a legendary.
That can happen on fucking day 1 and the legendary is 30k Souls.
>exclusively white/blue
Because all gaols always drop a souls option and they are never white. Do you even play the game, faggot?

You get flask charges when the churches are conveniently close or on the edge of the ring. You can easily leave a church or two for Day 2 and you can just ignore one as well. A seventh flask is often not important.

>>712835484
oh not my scaling yet they still out dps the starter weapons oh no! Not my scaling!
yah u got filtered. what can you do.

>>712835370
You sure sound like you don't have a clue. The actual best way to play her is to spam Elden Stars and use crossbows.

>>712835680
'spam this rare spell'.

'waste time using cross bows instead of spamming low cost spells'

Uh-huh. Any more solid advice or does your retardation end here.

>>712835607
>dude these weapons that don't have any faith scaling actually do SO MUCH damage on the character with only faith.
You're retarded. The SECOND you stop playing solo, you'll start to understand the game. You said you were done three times now and you keep giving retarded advice. You're like 15 years old boiling with emotions you don't know how to handle lmao.
No melee out damages revenant's claws (for revenant) except coded sword and cipher patas. That's just how stat scaling works.

>>712835925
uh-huh. I've got 20 games solo and 90 with trios but uh-huh keep acting as if ur not horrible. It's crazy how hard this character filters you low iq retards. I'm still in awe. And it's like you refuse to get better. This is the infamous /v/ user huh

>>712835817
Damn, maybe the max damage pot throwing build is better. You can get 10 lighting pots with a pouch after all.

>>712835925
"no melee out damages revenant claws" lol'ing so hard desu.
Keep bringing in the shitty claws man just dont join my runs ok ?
Wasting blue and purple smith stones on fucking no passive claws with slow attack speed instead of a seal. Roger! I will waste my time farming stones asap!
Yeah I listed the scythes cause those proccing bleed is still more dps than the fucking claws. If I don't have a good melee who gives a shit its revenant, spam spells. I'm not keeping the shitty fucking claws with no passive you mouth breathing ape

>>712836154
Damn, maybe you should keep using your autistic retarded cross bow build

>>712836319
You use smithing stones for seals? I'm always getting multiple purple ones and have it left over/drop if for my mates.

>double replying
>I don't actually care though!
>helen does 200 dmg a hit!
>I don't only play solo!
>D tier scaling melee weapons are good on revenant!
>S tier scaling melee weapons? dogshit!
>FP restoration on damage taken is such a useful passive.
>starlight shards are worthless!
>you can't afford to not have a weapon passive
>yes I keep my starter seal to the nightlord, why do you ask?
Retard-kun I...

>>712836679
yeah for sure if you have a good spell but it's not purple just upgrade it. Does the most dps out of any other option. Oh but these 2 anons think using ur fucking claws is the play on the 600 hp spell caster so idk maybe theyre right.
One guy said use a fucking crossbow on a C dex scaler too. Maybe im just wrong ROFL

>>712836786

>>712836679
>>712835680
Literally just me, you are so easy to bait.
The claws are a good option if nothing better drops and that can definitely happen. The Moth Relic also gives them poison with the FP up it has. So for Day 1 the claws are very good when you run out of FP and even your damage taking build doesn't prevent that.
And to get back to that topic, it is a stupid build since you can just stack starlight shards and dodge.
I'd rather use the relics that buff her abilities than FP for taking damage.

two_retards_fighting.jpg

>>712837419
this is an imageboard where you can reply to people
you failed twice

>>712837376
The moth relic gives them poison wow I never knew that! Yeah they suck man, keep using them i dont give a fuck but im not bricking a relic slot for that either, im not giving up an item passive, and i wont follow ur faggot advice, its bad. Thanks! I've got a 15 win streak on this character queing for random bosses, do you? That's multiplayer btw :D

>>712837537
replying is not required

>>712837648
You learned to do both. I'm proud of you, Anon!

>>712837719

>>712837568
>bricking a relic slot
More FP is "bricking" a relic slot?
Also you could just post your expedition history, the journal tracks it.

>>712767727
>lock on to downed 3 bar ally
>summon page
>ally gets back up while i do gestures

>>712837904
you better not have done the point down one because that's mean

>>712773868
>whiffing your attack or getting hit by something you shouldn't have because the hitbox shit itself on a slope sucks
Take the slop into consideration before you attack or defend then. You have to adapt.
>sitting around with your thumb up your ass waiting for the boss to land so you can damage it at all sucks
That's why I just use my bow to return fire. Wait, don't tell me you don't have one? Are you a casul?

>>712764103 (OP)
What's up with faggots dropping all their items after beating the Nightlord?
Your 'celebration' only ruins the victory messages in the Roundtable Hold

>>712837893
ya im aware that I can but they were not in succession I get bored playing the same char. Call it cope, but I did win my last 15 runs with her. Listen, the claws arent horrible, but its boring using the starter weapon every run and no item passive sucks, I used to use that build, its not even that good the claws dont do a lot of damage.
My best build is what I posted above, that shit is brain dead. Black flame costing 3 fp is insane. lightning spear same shit. Yeah elden stars fucks hard but thats rng. I was setting the guy up for a general build he can fall back on and it WILL work every run. not this rng god run shit you guys are blogging about, even the 10% fp on successive attacks passive is pretty rng to find. Mage tower locations are rng, i go to them sure but im not gunning for them. 4 starlight shards is all you need anyway. And in my initial post i did the opposite of say they are bad
>>712827943
Fp on damage taken is just an option, and its better than fp on melee hits unless the stars align and the melee you actually want to use rolls with it, once again a god run scenario. There are only two passives that restore fp, one is being hit, and other is attacking. Jesus its not that complicated. The most important one is spell cost reduction and I will die on that hill.

>>712838334
Please don't tell me this actually bothers you

Is Libra's relic that lets you regen FP by meditating any good?

>>712794984
>When you meet her in her tower, the very first thing she does is confess to committing a murder. She is directly responsible for the plague of deathblight.
There is no bloodless option in Elden Ring. There is no pacifist route. You are killing people - good or bad - regardless because that's the only way to reach the Erdtree. Ranni is no different here. The cause of Deathblight was something literally no one could know was possible because it was sheer accident. You make similarly grave errors or even worse intentional moves than this across every other route. So this part immediately means absolutely nothing.
Frankly, you suggesting the fact killing someone in a continent-spanning apocalyptic war is a bad thing means you deserve worse than Ranni, and I am now going to burn down your entire universe.

>>712838469
no, doing the gesture, waiting for the madness build-up and then waiting for the fp regen is too slow in any context
maybe if the fp regen was simultaneous to the madness build-up

>>712838469
No.

> playing nightreign, beating bosses because I invested into playing it (Sekiro main)
> played longer then like an hour for the first time
> winning feels good man
> playing with buddy who is revenant main
> “let’s do last boss”
> doing last boss, game completely freezes my brand new expensive pc for the first time ever
> have to hard reset
> GPU corrupted, have to uninstall everything so both monitors work


Fun fun fun fun

>>712804036
This nigger once caught me and another player out of the air with the same grab at the same time and one-shot both of us at level 9. I sincerely kneel to this unstoppable monster.

>>712770914
>that fucking HP bar
If you can't win with 99 VIG you are a mouthbreathing retard. And he proves this by panick rolling away from her instead of towards her and tries to heal without finding a safe window to do so. Malenia is bullshit boss but this guy doesn't not seem like he knows how to play.

>>712838056

>>712838428
It's stupid though. Same with people doing it in battle royale games. Use emotes or just spin in a circle like normal person.

>drop dagger for Ironeye because it has ranged weapon damage up
>guy looks at it and ignores it
>drop it at him again and he ignores it after clearing checking it
What the fuck man, did he already have that passive and they don’t stack? I thought they did stack?

>>712839283
You say "like a normal person" like you yourself are normal while you have an irrational reaction to people dropping weapons

>>712793923
Stagnancy was never mentioned until Sekiro though. In any case, the issue with From games is that the rulers try to go against the laws of nature for their selfish benefit, and end up screwing everything up. The good endings typically let you partially repair the damage, by sealing the Old One and becoming a Monumental, allowing the First Flame to extinguish, perfecting(or at least bringing as close to perfection as possible) the Golden Order ect.

>>712804036
My team wiped to him at 5% of his health and we were level 12

I liked Nightreign cause it was fun and had great boss fights. Now I love it because trannies seethe about it.

>>712839396
Yes, the vast majority doesn't do it and it actively works against the journal and victory message mechanic.
Imagine if someone picked up a weapon from your corpse in their run and drops it right at the end. No murk bonus for you.

>>712804036
>can parry him flawlessly
>never get the aggro for more than a second
I fucking hate it

>>712807704
Yeah, yeah let me just not use these tools in a prolonged fight that also restore my fp
Retard

>>712839328
He may have already filled his slots with stuff he likes. People drop rare or legendary stuff for me at times and I won't always take it, even if it has good passives or a higher AR. And I in turn will gather gear and offer it to my teammates. I don't feel bad if they don't take it, I offered.

>>712839690
I think normal people could not care less about it or the insignificant murk bonus

>>712839868
>"I don't feel bad if they don't take it, I offered."
>they only have two weapons
It got rarer but there are still idiots around.

>>712824208
Putting frost bite with any character seems to help
Sometimes I just pick up random affinity weapons on recluse and just always get the spell I want

Or not because my teammates also used some element and now I have the magic poise field that’s useless

>>712839796
>Get a shield with Carian Retaliation
>Head to the roof of the castle
>It's BBH
>Parry the fucker perfectly, ping my allies to come and whack him
>Nobody arrives
>Get him down to half health before the circle forces me to leave
Dang.

>>712839948
>insignificant murk bonus
It's a 1000 murk. That's a third of a run for free. Also you ignored the journal and victory message parts. And seeing how the vast majority doesn't do it... I think you are one of the weird ones doing it.

>>712840154
1000 isn't really anything, there's no rush to unlock the skins or roll for relics, I didn't mention the journal or victory message because those are even less important. I don't drop my weapons I just can't find a single reason to care that others do it.

>>712839868
This was day 1 at the second location we got to

>Find Caligo in the fog
>There's ice pillars, hide behind one
>Ping my location so the team knows to hide
>They emerge from safety behind another pillar to get to my position and eat shit from the frost blast
Fromsoft should make this attack have more spectacle, like Jin Dahaad in Monster Hunter Wilds. Otherwise people won't know what to do.

>have to beat Night Lord with Big Titty Wizard
>get the worst people for the job
>or get a perfect team that jobs near the end of night lords health bar
Now this is hell

when is fromsoft going to make a dark and darker clone?

>>712842239
From needs to buy the right to Ganbare Goemon.

>>712840154
1000 murk for free? Awesome, can't wait to spend it on uhhhhh oh yeah fucking nothing except gacha rolls

>>712842203
i had 12+ failures in a row with her trying to do that

i swear the absolute worst people are the ones queuing for night guy

reminder that chests in the magic ruins can drop weapons with cast speed passive and damage passives for your recluse/rev. ruins in general drop talismans sometimes too.

>>712843442
Presumably because they are stuck on him and hoping somebody will carry them.
Just like you.

had a wylder the other day in random matches that decided, mid-fight against the ancient dragon, to run off into the fucking rain for some godforsaken reason and left me (I think I was duchess?) and a recluse to deal with the fucker alone and we all died.

we were on the night aspect run too so he obviously wasn't new. I really don't know what randoms are thinking half the time.

>>712764103 (OP)
if they had just made it another extra quest featuring 6 gorillion fetch quests to give The Recluse a happy ending, it would be GOTY for the next decade

>>712835469
hot

I want a scaling victory lap mode that lets you run through every boss on the same build. Let me see how far my bullshit setup takes me, From.

I need to sell all my useless relics.

>>712847882
I'm really curious how they'll do the hard mode bosses

>>712839123
>another thrown run when I see this
great

>>712842203
>>712843442
this was me last night until I got a good teammate that dropped me renalla's moon and I got to nuke the nightlord pretty much singlehandedly. but yeah I tried like 10+ times until this happened too

>>712764103 (OP)
This game desperately needed NPC Co-op

>>712770754
I thought B team helped with Elden Ring? Isn't this a C team product?

raider is hilarious once you start stacking resistances
I didn't even have to dodge anymore against the nightlord

>>712851415
just get good and solo

>>712851415
Not even for balance, its a more fun game experience with an npc goober following you around

>>712842203
I've been attempting that solo for my final remembrance and no matter how good or bad my gear is I consistently choke around 20-30%. Being a viglet with a 40 minute runback is suffering.

>>712851684
solo is baby mode-lite though. At least with two NPCs I can fight harder bosses by letting my teammates sandbag, which is how we made arcade games harder back in medieval times

>fighting black knife with colossal weapon
>she starts doing 20 hit combos, dodging all my attacks and immediately punishing them
I almost got mad

>>712842239
Isn't that what Duskbloods is?

>>712849220
Hopefully new routes with new layouts for the mini dungeons, new bosses etc

>>712839328
>ironeye
that's your problem. It's a mouthbreather class so he didn't know how passives work

>>712764103 (OP)
Which ending did you get?

>>712839328
Sometimes my inventory is full of better shit even if people drop me good stuff

>>712846924
I call this the "Hiroshima"