what an asshole

>>712783508 (OP)
Verso is the good guy you retard.

Alicia is good but incredibly stupid which causes chaos.

If you didn't identify with Verso you're an asshole

>>712783508 (OP)
That's what Lune said after rimming him (but before getting betrayed for the second time by him)

>>712783508 (OP)
ironically, one of the most real characters I've ever seen in a video game.

>>712783508 (OP)
Painted lives don't matter

>>712790170
how do you know the "real world" is anymore real than the painted one?

>>712783508 (OP)
The only asshole I'm interested in is Lune's.

>>712786214
t. Verso

>>712783508 (OP)
Stop spamming this fucking garbage

>>712792647
see you at the game awards, bitch!

I don't get how people can play this game and feel anything but sympathy towards either Alecia or Verso, either choice is heartbreaking and everyone suffers no matter what.

>>712783508 (OP)
He's just tired of everything. If you're part of everything, well, fuck you he doesn't care anymore, everything can just die (except painters, or my painted family)

>>712792647
You will kneel before your future GOTY boy

>>712792726
I felt it, but it feels like there was a third option that the devs either cut out, didn't include on purpose or it will be DLC or something. Painted Alicia says that the real one might find another way, that it doesn't have to end in the canvas being totally erased. But then it never happens. And then when Maelle and her meet, the entire thing is just very weird. Alicia just wants to fucking die, then Verso is bothered that he wasn't give a chance to try and convince her to stay even though he planned on killing the entire world anyway, something Maelle brings up. He says it's different somehow.

Very strange, the writing takes a bit of a dive near the end but it feels like they either cut out stuff or they're just leaving things out on purpose for DLC or sequel baiting. We already know they will continue due to the whole writers vs painters thing but what we have now in the game just feels off to me.

But yeah, Alicia fucking kills herself in the painted world or you delete everyone in the painting and helo the family move on. It's just shit for everyone.

>>712783508 (OP)
>>712786214
Don't listen to versotards OP. They are literal mouth-breathing morons. The highest IQ versotard is stupider than the dumbest verso hater.

You will never ever see one make anything approaching an intelligent argument. They legitimately no memes are too stupid to have a theory of mind.

>>712792726
Drawings have no human rights. Alicia is like that one spoiled kid in your extended family that puts more effort into overreacting rather than overcoming hardship.

>>712793550

pVerso is essentially Verso though, so he has agency on what to do with his creations and his canvas. So family pls gtfo and touch grass.

Who the fuck is Claire?

>>712792418
You don't until you do? In this case, they literally do know they're recreations of a grieving family.

>>712793434
There is no option where the Canvas isn't erased while they leave. If they leave, Renoir will destroy the canvas due to him understanding they will never let it go. This will just occur again. Literally drug analogy.

Verso's ending is clearly the good ending even for Maelle; as you can see her smiling versus her winning and she doesn't.

>>712793505
Calling people stupid without saying anything, makes you yourself sound stupid. Retard.

>>712793550
"human rights'; we literally have no idea about the conditions outside of the painted world; other than there's another faction of reality warpers named the "Writers".

>>712793505
>AliciaApologists when "See things as they are, not what you want them to be."

>>712794120
>>712794240
Good job beating the dumbass allegations

>>712783508 (OP)
>Another one filtered
Ah, tragic. Perhaps you'll understand when you're older.

>>712793505
>Literal name-calling to substitute an argument
To be expected by those who defend the ending that represents an immature child refusing to grow up.

the story is merely a spruced up, more indepth, FFT:A, right?

>>712792501
This Anon has his priorities in order.

>>712794679
Or Star Ocean 3 if you could side with the villain at the end

>>712794679
Verso's case is justified, Marche is just an asshole

>Just allow me to do one more shot of heroin Papa! After that I promise I'll stop and come home.
Renoir and Painted Verso were right. Alicia was just like her mom. An addict desperate to numb her reality away. Verso/Painted Verso might be a duplicitous dickhead but he cares for Alicia enough that he died for her a second time when given the chance. How his ending isn't immediately seen as the better off the two is baffling. The argument of:
>but everyone in the painting got genocided away
Is true only of Verso and Clea's creations, and you're party members. Renoir already wiped away Aline's Lumiere before the final confrontation. Everyone in Alicia's ending are HER creations, save for the party members although we don't know how true that is either. Her ending is also shot like a fucking horror movie complete with a jumpscare. In the Verso ending Alicia is given another chance to overcome her grief and addiction in Alicia's ending she loads up a hot shot to go out with a bang. Both endings have pain, but one is a clear better choice for everyone involved. Even the painted people.

>>712796358
>Verso's case is justified
You wouldn't feel that way if his deserved rest also involved killing you right here and now

>>712796358
I initially thought Maelle had the stronger case, esp with the "preservation of Verso's creation" angle - but it's difficult to argue that with a literal splinter of Verso's soul urging her otherwise.

>>712796359
The way the endings are framed are incredibly biased toward Verso and treat the painted people like props that don't matter at all. I agree there are serious problems with it since it assumes we shouldn't give a shit about anyone aside from those characters, major flaw in an otherwise good game.

>>712796256
how does it compare to SO2?

>>712796443
NTA but that depends if I have all the information. If I knew I was a complete fabrication that could be erased on a whim, I think I'd choose death on the spot while spitting into the face of the one that created me. How could you go back to any kind of normal existence after finding that shit out? You'd spend the rest of your days wondering when is the creator going to grow bored of you and wipe you away for the next flavor of the month. Fuck that.

>>712796589
The best comparison the ending has to SO2 is how Nall and Mirage tell you to go ahead and destroy Energy Nede, claiming that everyone in the world agrees that they should all die because they've had it too good for too long. Which is ridiculous but fuck it lol

>mfw the story reduced itself to petty family drama
What a let down the story was. Good game overall but fuck the story.

>>712796764
The people of Lumiere definitely wanted to live and have a future. It was the whole premise of the game starting out until you're introduced to the Dessendre family and then they become a complete afterthought. They are acknowledged as being alive and having souls in several NPC conversations but ultimately the narrative makes the choice for you that they matter LESS than any of the Dessendre family and barely deserve acknowledgement in the endings, aside from dying or being used as cheap accessories to Alicia and Verso's sob story bad end

>>712796873
the family drama is way more compelling than what was presented in Acts 1 and 2. I personally tuned out any expedition related story because there wasn't any meat or depth from that angle.

Just look at all the discussion surrounding the ending choice - that's a hallmark of a good story.

>>712797071
what made you think I give a shit about your opinion or that it would change mine? I stopped giving a shit entirely about the story when I beat the first archon because I figured out what was going on and it is every bit as shit as Star Ocean 3. I dropped that game after the dumb twist too.

>>712796917
But the regular people of Lumiere didn't know that they were fabrications. The only ones that know are the Dessendre family and your party members. If they knew what we know how many of them would continue doing anything at all? If they know that any member of this grieving god family could erase them overnight how would they be able to carry on?

>>712783508 (OP)
>Saves ungrateful sister
>Saves sickly mother
>Saves ungrateful sister, again
>Is asshole

Hmm... Doesn't quite add up.

Just wanted Gustave back I don't give a fuck about Maelle or Verso.

>>712797217
>anon shares opinion
>another anon shares opinion
>original anons heebie-jeebies get hurt
crashing out from hearing opposing thoughts and experiences is lame
remember you are posting in a public mongolian basket weaving dorum

>>712796917
Not gonna lie, the entirety of it made me feel like I just wasted my time. I wasn't allowed to care about anyone in the painting and I'm only supposed to care about the Dessendre family, but then you can't even care about either of the endings because they will basically confirm which one is the "right" one anyway for the upcoming sequel and we all know it's the one where they delete the canvas because they present the Maelle ending as bad, they go out of their way to do so. So it meant nothing, it's all just one big fucking nothing in hopes you got convinced by the story to pick the Verso ending first and agree with the devs. Literally nothing else mattered because they basically force you into accepting that the people in the painting aren't human and aren't real and basically fuck 'em, who cares.

Extremely bold move for their first game, but I don't think I'll be giving much of a fuck about the characters in their next game if this is the route they're taking. They did BOTH things in one game
>main characters died
>it wasn't real/it's a fake world
That sucks

>>712797312
This.
Verso is selfish, but he saves his fucking family if even for 'selfish reasons', he still fucking does it. All the people of the Canvas are intruders into his pure world anyway. They shouldn't be there. Esquie, the Gestrals, and the Grandis are the only ones that belong to that Canvas. Aline, Renoir, Clea, and Alicia are perverting the last thing that was purely Verso's. His ONLY Canvas. They could've made their own worlds in other Canvases but chose to distort and destroy Verso's. In grieving their son and brother they ruin what little was left of him. Verso getting slandered for being selfish, while Alicia is painted out as a saint is fucking bonkers.

>>712797217
what is an Archon?
how did you figure out the story when you killed this "Archon"? I personally struggled to see any clues as to the true nature of the world before the end of Act 2 because the game was too obtuse with it's story hints (and that's a bad thing).
It was obvious that the world isn't what it seems and the connection between Maelle and Alicia, but there weren't really any pieces or clues you can put together to make a deduction as to there being a "painted world" and the familial conflicts that surrounds it. Or maybe I'm just a brainlet.

>>712797527
You saw someone who didn't like shitty story and tried to "refute" an opinion. This is why you think the ending choice makes the story good, because it gives you another reason to be "right" on the internet. You are an idiot and will be treated as such.

>>712783508 (OP)
people sided with Verso? I sided with RENOIR. because he was fucking right. verso was my puppet to achieving RENOIR'S outcome.

>>712797958
Retards like you are why discussion on this board went downhill like 15 years ago

>>712797406
Gustave is the greatest evil in this game. He's a kind, charming, gentle figure, that was precisely what Alicia/Maelle craved. Gustave was Aline's manipulation incarnate. I absolutely believe that Aline painted Gustave to nurse Alicia's feelings towards the canvas.

>>712798053
Renoir beats the fucking audience over the head with it too. Verso realizes Renoir is 100% right the moment he sees his mother struggling to live in the real world. If you side with anyone other than Renoir you're doing it wrong.

>>712798190
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu_eDxflkMc

>>712797958
I wasn't trying to refute anything - sorry if that's how my response made you feel. I just want to discuss a game I enjoyed.
I also didn't say the ending makes the story good - I meant that out of game discussion about a polarizing ending is a trait of a good story. A good story should encourage discussion.
I don't care about being right, in fact I'd rather be wrong.

>>712783508 (OP)
>guy is bad because... BECAUSE HE CARES ABOUT HIS SISTER!!
room temp iq take

>>712798207
+++

>>712798217
Renoir's delivery of (paraphrasing) 'I don't want the shadow of the darkest day of our lives to ruin us again,' utterly sold me, because it proved he wasn't in any way, shape, or form being malicious to Alicia. He was frustrated and angry, but he just wanted his family back.

>>712783508 (OP)
>evil liar that wants to kill everyone in the painted world
>lune and sciel immediately jump on his dick
It's crazy how realistic this game is.

>>712786214
EVERY Dessendre is evil, that includes their painted clones. They're a demon family that creates life, toys with it and kills it to cope with their own mental issues. Maelles ending is the best because more Dessendres die in it.

>>712792647
its time to stop posting

>>712797706
>story doesn't matter because the sequel inside my head makes it irrelevant
I think you need to take your meds.

>>712798554
people seem to fail to realise that gustave seems to be a tailor made creation to manipulate alicia.

the people going 'but muh lumiere citizens,' like bitch those are aline's creations. do people really think kid verso was like 'haha let's paint this really romantic couple,' no he painted his dog as a foot loving blu mage freak to go with his sentient wine bag. aline turned verso's canvas into her own soap opera and people are sympathetic to it????

>>712798652
Since the game tells us that Painted Verso and Verso are identical down to their memories I'll treat them as one entity.
Verso is the only one that has any say as it is HIS canvas. Aline, Renoir, and Alicia are all intruding into his world. The people of Lumiere shouldn't exist. If anyone is evil in this, and they aren't really, it's his family for ruining his canvas world and forcing a literal piece of his soul to continue painting even though it wants to stop.
>Lune and Sciel immediately jump on his dick
They've only one year left to live. Why not?

>>712792647
AAAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE SAVE ME IWATA

>>712799086
>A loving older brother willing to do whatever it takes to make sure his sister is okay
Gustave is an amalgamation of Verso's best qualities, while leaving out his darkness. At the end of the day they both act the same way for Maelle/Alicia.

Aline is a monster trying to get her child hooked on drugs. She's grieving but that doesn't give her a get out of jail free card to the shit she did. I do believe that she is terribly sorry/guilty for what she did. Hopefully she makes up for it in the future.

>>712799551
Not that this game needs a sequel. Everything is pretty well sewn up at the end.

The only open thing is dealing with their actual world and the fighting with the writers, which I'm open to seeing. If Sandfall has planned this from the start as a jumping off point for a series then I'm cool with it, but if feels pretty complete as is.

>>712794531
>ending that represents
So you literally dont care about lore, worldbuilding or characters. Just what it "represents", just a hamfisted "le message" at the end of the game you care about.

>>712799551
>>712799757
it's definitely not over
the game clearly shows the 33rd of december
we have all the stuff with the writers
we have best bitch clea to look forward to again

aline is pretty villainous, but i think it also captures the narcissistic behaviours of a shitty mother quite well, so i hate her, but i appreciate the character

>>712800043
Where did that anon state that the two have to be mutually exclusive?

>>712800365
He is implying people in canvas have no value, not sentient living beings. To him it just represents an escape, a drug, a video game.

>>712799106
>have a kid
>kill it when it's 12
>I'm not evil, it is MY child and I just don't want to take care of it anymore
Nah he's evil, like all painters.

>>712800479
You are making up an argument that the other anon doesn't necessarily hold. Just because someone picks Verso's ending doesn't mean that they don't believe that the people of the canvas are meaningless make believe.

>>712800767
>make a painting that contains part of my soul
>my soul wishes to be erased so it can be free
>do as my soul wishes
>I'm evil

>>712783508 (OP)
I didn't finish act 3 so maybe there are things that I'm missing but I don't really understand why he has no will to live when he has fond memories of time spent with Esquier and Monoco and when he's obviously having fun teaching Sciel how to swim

>>712801108
>noooo you're supposed to align with alicia because she wants to make big brother perform for her
none of the 'people' outside the lumiere concert hall are animated. they're all stationary. once the paintress is defeated, you've passed the point of no return.

>>712801305
Fucking exactly. Alicia just becomes a worse version of Aline, because at least Aline was better at painting.

>>712799106
>They've only one year left to live.
Way less. Thanks good guy Verso, murder suicide is so beautiful and moral when you do it, rest in power king

So ironic how when it just released people kept praising it for being a good story with no subversion bullshit, just an honest jrpg adventure with a straight goal.

lol

>>712801593
i chose the verso (renoir) ending and looked up the maelle ending. i chose verso ending almost straight away, little hesitation. no regret either.

renoir was right all along. his family are handling their grief poorly and childishly. they needed to come together to move on. it's pretty obvious the citizens of lumiere were aline's invention all along.

>>712800905
Honestly anon, youre too autistic for me to continue replying to you. If you cant understand this is what he meant, you cant understand what the writers intended in the game

>that the people of the canvas are meaningless make believe.

this is exactly what most verso glazers believe

>>712797304
>If they know that any member of this grieving god family could erase them overnight how would they be able to carry on?
They got arbitrarily erased every year, and they fought to survive. Some did give up, but others looked for answers and hope. But none of that matters. Not one whit

>>712796764
You wouldn’t fucking choose death, you wannabe macho faggot. Your mind would break at the revelation that you aren’t “real,” then you’d rationalize that you actually are because you have self-awareness and thus deserve to live.

>>712801745
Brown hands were trembling while compiling this image in Paint.NET.

>>712783508 (OP)
play the piano retard, make babies with lune while your at it.

>>712801701
Renoir’s way of handling grief is just as childish because he believes he has the right to dictate how other people cope. He’s right for wanting to save his family, but he’s also just as much of a hypocrite as the rest because the only way HE can cope is to force his wife and daughter to cope in a way he’s decided. Alicia pegged him correctly when she said he needs to feel like he’s doing something for failing to protect his son.

>>712792647
>>712801745

>>712801745
You forgot to add Expedition 33 to your cope

>>712801734
I know that a god family made and can erase me on a whim. I want out.
What self-awareness? Do I actually have it or was I just painted that way? Monoco wonders the same thing. I choose 'death' in this scenario every time, because I wouldn't want a life as a toy for some petty sad gods.

>>712801969
>wanting to take responsibility is childish
>escapism is not
that's some dopey logic desu get gommaged dummy

>>712801732
The thing about the Gommage is that some of the people of Lumiere thought it was something that could be stopped. They didn't know they were in a hopeless situation.

>>712801969
What a load of bullshit.
What you call "Renoir's way of coping" is the only way that isn't literally suicide.
That's selflessness not selfishness, and if you can't recognise that you're either autistic or have severe daddy issues.

>>712802664
Incidentally, yes, there are lots of ways of coping.
But it's Aline and later Alicia, their severe addiction, zero percent moderation, and most importantly outright refusal to discuss seriously, that forces the binary of these exact two ways to cope.
It's not Renoir forcing it, it's those two. He doesn't even want to do this.
Stigmatising Renoir for this is purely a reflection of your inability to appropriately place blame on the two girls who force his hand. You're only agreeing he's the hero, except that you can't understand it.

>>712801969
To be fair, he straight up tells her that he also became addicted to the painted worlds and that his wife was the one to save him before he fucking killed himself in there because it was so awesome and that being in there in the first place comes at a price. I got that at the end when Verso tells Alicia that she lied to her father, he knew she was lying when she told him she'd control herself. I might be way off but the implication was that she was going to stay in the painting until she died and she would do so on purpose because she literally had no reason to return to real life. Maybe she would find a way to keep her soul in there but it seems she was going to commit suicide and keep herself in the painting somehow or just live out some happy days before dying. The way I understood her ending is that Verso isn't crying and hesitant to play the piano because he's mad at being alive, but he's mad and sad that now he has to stay alive, live a full life again AND watch his sister die AGAIN but this time it's the real one and she won't magically come back because of paint powers.

The devs really, really REALLY wanna spell it out that there's really only ending in this game, and it's the one where you get rid of the canvas. Also, it seems to me the painters are just fucking useless? How do they fight these writers? The writers made it so real Verso fucking died and if it wasn't him it was gonna be Alicia. Far as we can tell the painters just paint and get hooked on their own drug powers which isn't threatening in any way lmao.

I hope they turn the tables and the next game is book-themed and we play a similar story but in a storybook with someone from the cast being the Writer as the twist again.

>>712802595
>wants to take responsibility by forcing his family to do as he commands so he can maintain the belief that things can be fixed
“I need it to be fixed” went right over your head, probably because you were too busy pogging.

>>712802595
Alicia is literally a child plus she's disabled so her life in the painting is hundreds of times more enjoyable

>>712802915
I don't think I can blame Maelle/Alicia evenly with Aline. Aline does an awful lot to manipulate Alicia. She's clearly out of control at the end of the game, and Renoir is 100% right, their method of coping is unhealthy and is destroying them in their own world. Verso painted things like the Gestrals, not the Lumiereans. The Lumiere citizens are Aline's creation. When Alicia tries to 'bring them back,' she can't do it properly, she isn't as skilled or powerful as Aline. But, Aline manipulated the shit out of Alicia; she grew up in Lumiere with a surrogate brother, likely designed by Aline to toy with her feelings.

Renoir is 100% correct. This is shown by the arguments he has with Alicia. He doesn't attack her, he doesn't hate her, he just wants the family to come together, stop self-destructing, and to move past the horrific event that took Verso from them.

Malle's option is childish.

>>712801710
what are you talking about anon?
that canvas is better destroyed than have any crazy painter god inhabiting and controlling it

>>712803245
She's a painter/paintress, she isn't bound to Verso's canvas. Verso himself says she can paint any world she wants to live in.

>>712801745
if you think 4 niggas in a row selecting attack and the seldom magic/ability/item is the endgame of the genre then you know what - enjoy :)

>>712803282
I could agree with you.
But let's take a look at each of their most horrific acts.
Aline paints a new Alicia with even more significant scarring, and doesn't even use colour. This version lives to suffer and be the active scappegoat.
Maelle erases Verso's scar, a permanent reminder of his agency and the struggles he's been through. He has to live knowing this, as well as witness her raise a young Verso to act in his place, knowing he's been demoted to just one Verso rung in the endless Verso ladder, at least until she dies irl which could take generations inside the painting.

Honestly, they're as bad as each other. Sure Maelle's more manipulated, but to permanently remind Verso she's robbed him of her agency is truly torturous.

>>712804059
*robbed him of his agency, of course.

>>712792726
I had sympathy for Alecia until she started lying and trying to guilt trip her dad into letting her stay in the painting. When it became clear she was just like any other addict about to lose their fix I lost all sympathy for her.

You didn't understand his character. Sorry you're retarded, anon.

All painted Verso cares about is committing suicide. You got manipulated by him if you believe otherwise. He routinely lies to himself too.
>>712801969
Renoir cares about his wife and daughter beyond his feelings of blame for Verso's death.
Renoir's problem is his plan doesn't extend beyond slapping the crack pipe out of Aline and Alicia's hand. He only has platitudes to offer Alicia for what comes next. He needs to actually get through to his family not just tie them to a bed so they can detox. The underlying addiction doesn't get fixed.
Renoir himself understands this, which is why he's hellbent on burning the canvas. Again cutting off supply instead of trying to eliminate demand.

>>712804296
The poor bastard waited 67 years under a monolith while his psychobitch wife huffed the crackpipe, then he discovers his daughter came in for a toke too. Renoir is based as fuck, and I rapidly found myself agreeing with him.

>>712796534
Fun thing about the Alicia ending, look at the crowd outside the opera house. They're almost all identical and are very pale, like the unfinished Nevrons. Alicia either doesn't have the skill to properly restore Lumiere or doesn't care to.

>>712804296
You're only partially right.
The issue is those two have made it IMPOSSIBLE for him to "actually get through" to them. They're literally 0% accepting of anything other than their own suicidal paintindoctrination.

He LITERALLY CANNOT even mildly adjust demand let alone eliminate it, and it's them that are rendering that impossible.

Which means severing supply is his singular option. Again, you're misappropriating blame to him when it's THEM causing this to be his sole recourse.

It's like if Trump said he's going to nuke your home state unless you stab someone with a knife. Sure it's wrong to stab someone with a knife, but he'd be at greater fault for forcing you to do so.

>>712783508 (OP)
Single-handedly caused me to drop the game midway through act 2, I just didn't give a shit about Verso

>>712804626
He's a better character than Gustave. You just like Gustave because you emotionally attached to him like an autistic child because he was your introduction to the world.

>>712792647
PLEASE TALK ABOUT CYBERPUNK INSTEAD NOW ITS OKAY TO SHILL IT

>>712783508 (OP)
He's really charming though

>>712804780
getting attached to gustave is the point of gustave
pretty sure Aline made him to get Alicia hooked on painting crack

>>712804296
>All painted Verso cares about is committing suicide
but what's his reason for suicide?
his life filled with suffering
or his very existence is the cause his family and his world suffers

>>712804996
Gustave is twice as old as Maelle. She wasn't in the painting when Gustave was painted/born

>>712804434
reused assets

>>712804780
Nah, it's because Verso's introduction was hamfisted and forced as fuck. He's immediately dumped on you and put in your party in the same string of cutscenes as Gustave's death and you're right made to play him in camp right after, a dude you absolutely do not trust and is clearly lying about everything he's saying to you. Also his facial design features are too tryhard and kind of suck ass

>>712805415
NTA. all of that is true. however Verso's character is fleshed out way more compared to Gustave, and his desire of non-existence is way more interesting to examine than whatever Gustave had to offer.

On another note - I'm pretty sure Gustave died at the start, but was only revived as a pawn to keep Alicia in check and grow her love for the world. He even tried to kill himself before Lune was presumably revived by the Paintress.

>>712805725
As an addition to this - maybe Verso's essence has a certain suicidal quality. He sacrificed himself for Alicia, the splinter inside the painted world was willing to self sacrifice, and Gustave (which is imo a version of Verso created by Alina) contemplated suicide before Lune popped out of nowhere.

>>712805415
>Also his facial design features are too tryhard and kind of suck ass
What does having tryhard facial design features even mean? You think he's too handsome?

>>712794027
It's Lune's first name, her full name is Clair de Lune

>>712786214
Versofags would kill Esquie with zero remorse and have the gall to call you an asshole

We're going to be having thread for months about Aliciafags not being able to live with their choices and coping in threads like these

>>712806223
Verso himself is willing to sacrifice Esquie and Monoco, why is that? He created them, obviously loves them, but still he chooses to sacrifice them after realizing what is happening to his real family.

Do you think he is badly written, or is there something else going on in his mind? Why do you think he chooses to literally seppuku and kill his loved creations?

>>712793434
P.Alicia is hoping that her real self can remove the paintress and remake the world in a better light since she, just like verso, has grown weary of living as a toy for the paintress to torment by forcing her to exist as the odd one out (colorless, burns are more pronounced, literally can not talk) or just wipe the canvas to end her existence.

The thing that makes P.Alicia such a great character is that she stands as a great middle ground between the two endings since she wants to die just like verso but does not try to lie about it and openly states it in the letter she gave verso that both he and maelle misinterpret. all the while showing maelle by example that you can overcome the bad hand your dealt by trying your best (has vertigo but still reaches for the stars, learns to take up painting and hones her writing and even shows in her dying moment what is most important, being with her family

>>712806507
He's a selfish asshole through and through, everything to the contrary are lies, if he really cared about Alicia his final words after losing the duel would be please leave you will die here but he only cries I don't want this life unpaint me.
1000 years in piano mines are not enough for this asshole

>>712806782
I admire your passion, keep it up

>>712803151
tbf anon the writers are worthless snakes who can only get at the painters by tricking a dumb child (Alicia) to literally play with fire in a house.

>>712804434
remember: painted powers are about memory, not realism. lumiere is essentially Alines autistic, multilayered fan-fiction that got out of control but she can remake anyone because she keeps their chroma and REMEMBERS how they are supposed to be, Alicia is not that skilled nor that smart.

>Keep the Canvas alive
>But kick out any delusional Painters until they hate the Canvas
There. The happy ending. It's not too hard, is it?

>>712806425
They simply do not understand that you have to give up some pleasures to live a healthy, normal adult life. Disney theatre kids all of them.

>>712807221
That painting is getting destroyed by Renoir the second Alicia pops out

>>712806782
And Alicia at the start of Act 3 tells Verso that she sees him as his own person and not just a recreation of her brother, and then in the ending cries and says she just wanted to spend another lifetime with her brother so she won't unpaint him. So I guess they're both lying to get what they want.

>>712807342
The problem is that NONE of the Canvas natives have the guts to convince Renoir to let them live and handle Alicia/Aline by themselves should they get uppity again. But they let Verso and Alicia make their decisions for them. Besides, the expedition's goal is still intact: to rid the world of the paintress.

>>712807221
That's why I run Lune Monoco Sciel team.

>>712806782
holy shit, an actual brainlet. Act 3 is all about Verso recognizing that Alicia is back and instead of leaving with Renoir (which if she did she could have actually convince that man to leave the canvas alone) she is choosing to play pretend as Malle still and kicking her papa out of her new coping mechanism, the same one the team just got his mother out of, and made him realize that Alicia is no better than her mother, if not worst.

If you can not see why he would not want that coping child with god powers to have reign over him, all while acting just like her mother, you are retarded.

>>712807764
Tough shit, suffering of Verso is the rpice I'm willing to pay for happiness of everybody else. Anyways he said that he likes to play the piano so it should be fine

>>712807576
It just occured to me that neither Lune or Sciel, when confronted with Verso or Alicia really ever challenge them. In fact Sciel and Lune both fuck Verso and barely know him and they're okay with him fucking them both. I feel like the Lumierians are painted to basically go along with whatever a Painter wants should the ever meet them. They might not be aware of it but its weird that two grown adult women immediatly fall in line with what a sixteen year old girl.

>>712807981
>happiness
>spends and eternity being used as toys for the new goddess of the world and can not talk out of line because you know you will be "repainted"

Aliciafags are truly amoral simps.

>maelle's nightmare
>look inside
>verso murdering expedition 0

>>712808143
can you romance both in a single run?

>>712808143
The Dessendres seem to have influence with their own creation. I want to think that the likes of Monaco and Esquie have their own freedom, but I remember they are the original Verso's creation, hence why they are close to Painted Verso. Monoco and Esquie are shown to be accepting of Verso's decision should you choose his ending, but Lune and Sciel show some resistance (Sciel not touching Verso during her Gommage and Lune sitting down in defiance while glaring at him).

>>712806782
He sacrificed his life TWICE for Alicia. In the lead up to the end game Verso wants to end it all for his sake, but upon seeing his mother in the real world he wants to end his life for Alicia's sake. Pure selfish asshole behavior.

>>712807221
But Verso's soul is trapped painting it and he doesn't want to anymore. He's tired and wants to rest. The way I see it is the painters temporarily give up pieces of their souls when creating a canvas world and your soul can only be divided so much before you have to reclaim it. Verso's soul was supposed to move on to wherever souls go in their world. The family had to let him go. If the soul Verso in the end said "I love painting and want to do this forever" then destroying the canvas is wrong, but he said he wanted to stop, making destroying the canvas the ONLY solution. As sad as that is.

>>712808873
Yes. I know because I did so. I romanced Sciel first then when I did the same with Lune it had a line about Sciel giving her a knowing look but nothing negative happens. They're okay with Verso using them as onaholes.

>>712809491
he says he's tired. over the course of the game he waffles a lot on what he thinks he actually ought to do. The fact that neither Verso nor Alicia actually ask him what he wants is part of the "we're both hypocrites" angle, I think.

>>712808873
No, you are locked in once you make a choice.

>>712809491
Isn't the reason Verso's soul wants to stop painting because he sees his father and mother fighting each other over him? Also, Painted Verso should've offered Verso's soul to play the piano instead of keeping painting.

>>712809121
I don't mean that they completly tow the line because they're programmed to, I mean they're just unconciously predisposed into doing whatever people they recognise as Painters want unless they think about it hard enough. If they're desperate or emotional enough they'll fight back but for the most part they just go along with whatever. Like they just think the Dessendre family members are incredibly charasmatic or something.

>>712809762
If the soul stops painting the painting stops existing. How is that not obvious?

>>712809878
ENTER, VERSO THE MUSICIAN. WITH THE POWER OF PIANO TO CHANGE THE CANVAS INTO SYMPHONY
Nah, I'm just joking. Yeah, I know. But my question still stands.

>>712809762
I just assumed 'playing the piano' is what they were going to do.
Yes, he wanted to stop because of them fighting but at the point where Verso finds him his parents have been ejected from the canvas and he should be free to do as he wants, and he wants to stop.

>>712808691
Yeah what was up with this? How would Maelle have these memories?

>>712808291
>spends and eternity being used as toys for the new goddess of the world and can not talk out of line because you know you will be "repainted"
Headcanon, the scene might as well be a one time concerto that theycare enjoying with their friends and family and you have no argument to the contrary

>>712783508 (OP)
>find out your not real
>find out your death caused the destruction of your family
>find out your childhood world where your family and you used to play turned into a graveyard
>forced to either kill yourself, your childhood friends, and your entire world or watch your family die slowly in pain
I don't understand the hate he gets. Thought he was one of the more sad characters of the game.

>>712810016
Is there any screenshot or information of every Faceless Boy's encounter? I remember it is kind of interesting; it culminates from him questioning everything that happened until he realized that he needs to stop.

>>712809572
No you can't you only romance the first one you max out and the other one is missing the actual sex scene

>>712810810
>scene is entirely in black and white with having the same framing as a nightmare sequence
>you can see that verso is the only one that ages, the rest of the cast gets to stay forever young
>Verso gets forced to perform through painted powers

It truly isn't that deep and yet Aliciafags can not seem to grasp the concept that their girl is just like her mother, an addict to the canvas.

>>712798776
This.
It wouldn't even surprise me if the fire was actually a false flag conducted by Clea to justify her genocide of the Writers.

>>712783508 (OP)
>romance sciel as verso
>act 3 camp scene
>sciel all hyped that she can bring back her dead husband and that means verso and sciel romance must come to an end
>they fuck one last time immediately after
>mfw
What is wrong with the french

>>712810870
>Bro get over your grief bro, you can't kill yourelf that's escapism it's unhealthy bro

>>712792647
Its pronounced GOMMAGE, uncultured swine!

>>712813618
Yes.

>>712794120
>There is no option where the Canvas isn't erased while they leave.
There is, but it requires Alicia not be a selfish cunt. If Alicia goes to Aline and helps her grieve, helps her understand why Alicia made the choices she did that led to the Writers being in a position to cause the fire, and led to Verso sacrificing himself, then both Aline and Alicia will be able to move on. The Canvas can then survive. The entire reason the Canvas needs to be destroyed is because neither Alicia or Aline will move on without being forced. Alicia doesn't want to face reality and wants to live in a perfect world where she gets to have things be her way, and Aline wants a world where she can escape to better memories.

>>712783508 (OP)
>singlehandedly kills an entire city of souls because "hummm they don't count they're just inside a painting like me"
seriously what a fucking stupid idiot

>>712812048
Versofags are 80 IQ subhumans that take framing at face value and refuse to look at the small details unless it's to interpret them in the worst possible way to support their headcanons.
>Alicia, a shitty painter can TOTALLY repaint over people when only her far more gifted sister has been able to do so
>painter face is meant to represent that she's been in the canvas for too long, not that she's controlling Verso through [headcanon]
>the rest of the cast being forever young puppets is headcanon

>>712814443
I'd happily nuke an entire city in china or india if it got my mom to stop being addicted to their mobile games

What's the main thing separating people making the choice? Family attachments? Understanding the difference between make believe and real life? Politics? Being a cripple? Loss of a loved one? I know there's a unifying factor for people picking each side I just don't know what it is.

>>712817547
escapism, responsibility and selfishness. those 3 things are a gauge of where someone will land on their ending.

>>712814756
>Aliciafags pretending that killing themselves to save the painting is noble - headcanon
>Aliciafags pretending that she'll eventually leave the painting - headcanon
>Aliciafags pretending that she cared about the painted people at all and didn't just find another way to escape from everyone - headcanon
all she had to do was leave the painting

Yeah he's a fag.

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>>712783508 (OP)
well he is suppose to be the antagonist