Thread 712815792

I realized the OFF remake is coming out in 2 months so decided to delve back in and replay it one last time before we usher into a new era of a ton of new players finding this.
It probably won't become as insufferable as undertale / deltarune but you never know, we live in a strange time when we can't even gatekeep something as esoteric and quirky as this anymore.

>>712815792 (OP)
Honestly, I’ve had the exact same thought. It’s wild thinking about how OFF used to be this obscure little gem passed around by weird RPGMaker nerds and now it's getting a full-blown remake with localization backing. I’m cautiously optimistic, but yeah, kinda bracing myself for the inevitable wave of “Fans Who Miss the Point” content. I just hope it doesn’t lose its surreal charm in the process—half the appeal was always how rough around the edges and mysterious it felt.

>>712815792 (OP)
You wot? OFF was known as THE indie tumblr darling before Undertale came along. It was hardly obscure.

>>712816163
>>712816546
>newfags already engaging in revisionist history
you love to see it
off was always underground and niche

>>712815792 (OP)
>fangamer

>>712817186
true but it's made by the original creator and he added a bunch of new bosses and locations and stuff

>>712816163
You literally need exposure to the right scenes
frankly I was in Tumblr spaces quite a bit probably in the time period homestuck was at its peak and never even heard of it until the OFF guy was winning king of /v/ you really can't compare it to Undertale.

>>712817063
Bro it is still a top 10 most recommended rpgmaker game

>>712817994
hardly

>>712815792 (OP)
no one cares about this shit, unc
we're playing deltarune

I hate the new battle music so I wont be getting it

>>712820031
There's new battle music?
Why would he change it?

>>712820143
copyright I guess
I found out by playing the demo

>>712820172
>copyright
What???
Isn't it made by the same person?

>>712820234
Its the only explanation that makes sense, why change the most iconic track otherwise?
He probably grabbed it from somewhere else

>>712820234
>>712820172
>>712820345
I read that the music guy didn't want to deal with rights shit and I don't blame him. Remember, it's no longer free and with that comes all sorts of stupid shit.

>>712820467
Well that's pretty fucking stupid.

>>712815792 (OP)
>THIRTY FIVE US DOLLARS
>FOR A WORSE VERSION OF A FREE GAME
LMAO rpg maker slop shitfucks are the most retarded piggies around. Holy fucking shit.

>>712820534
if it makes you feel any better, it will almost certainly be immediately modded in on the PC version at least.

>>712815792 (OP)
No ACC on the OST = no deal.

rpg maker was such a massive mistake, if only the japs knew what sort of tranny shit would be made with it in the west

>>712820674
>off
>tranny shit
Is this the new schizo narrative?

>>712820674
As if they weren't literally the progenitors of that very same garbage. Yumi Nikki, Ib, Witch's House, and a whole slew of absolutely insipid zero-gameplay trash set the stage for what would become RPG Maker's legacy as an irredeemable garbage engine.

>>712820761
shit taste

>>712820234
A lot of the music uses sampling, like Pepper Steak. This bothered the dev enough that he decided to get a new soundtrack by Toby Fox who offered to do it for free.

People proceeded to discover that Toby ended up adding small Bonetrousle motif's to Dedan's boss theme. Which feels a bit like a Yume Nikki remaster adding Gaster's theme to Uboa.

On top of this the Dopefish reference got replaced with the Annoying Dog. Tobyfags are fast to point out that Toby wouldn't have made that change himself but overlook that the devs would obviously had to have gotten permission from Toby in the first place.

Toby got lucky that all this happened just before Chapter 3 and 4 of Deltarune dropped so it got swept up in the hype for that.

>>712820761
>Enchant Farm
>Hat World
>Black Souls 2
>MGQ: P
RPGMaker as an engine is doing just fine when it comes to JRPGs.

>>712820757
>When fans brought up the possibility of Sugar being transgender, Mortis Ghost replied with "why not?"

>>712820761
Yume Nikki is cool, tho. Atmospheric even. And the new abilities change the gameplay.
I don't care about the rest.

>>712820840
>A lot of the music uses sampling
And?
So does the soundtrack for undertale and many other games, that's like 90% of the music my guy.
You don't need to clear any copyright for using samples in your ost.

>>712820928
>enchant farm shill has entered the thread
no one's heard of any of that slop except Black Souls, my dude.

>>712820840
I mean getting 2 tiny references to someone who literally offered to make you an entire soundtrack for free seems like a fair deal to me.
Why would anybody be upset?

>>712820974
>And the new abilities change the gameplay.
What new abilities?

>>712820143
AFAIK, there was an accident involving the original composer when he lost his laptop, along with all of his personal project. Apparently, Mortis was unable to contact him in any way since then lol.
Some people ITT mentioned copyright issues, but I guess sampling isn't much of a problem, unless you rip off entire tracks like the authors of YIIK did with their first game.

>>712820982
You're telling the wrong person that there would be a problem. And yeah not wanting to use the original music because of sampling only to get a new composer known for some questionable sampling usage is ironic.
>>712821046
Well Toby himself said what he was doing felt like breaking into someone's house and pasting his face on their photographs (literally the analogy he used). So saying that and proceeding to agree to the annoying dog being added does seem hypocritical.

In the end it should be about what the fans feel, not what the dev feels.

Also it's pretty understandable to not want to be reminded of the goofy skeleton when fighting a boss who is tonally very different.

>>712821417
>that there would be a problem.
*not be a problem

>>712821417
>to not want to be reminded of the goofy skeleton when fighting a boss
This would be relevant if you're a diehard undertale fan to recognize that, and they would to be reminded of that.
Normal people wouldn't know the difference, so it's literally a non issue.

Based ACC saying fuck you to copyright claimfaggots.
This shit is already happening with new Deltarune's soundtrack btw. Since Toby Fox is involved with the new OST, the game may be using the same music publisher, meaning he was absolutely right to avoid the contract.

>>712815792 (OP)
>new pepper steak sucks ass
>ugly ass banners on the side
>nothing new, just some animation here and there that heavily contrast with the game minimalistic artstyle
Just play the 2008 verion instead of the 2025 remaster

>>712821776
B-but I want to support indie creators I like dude. How am I supposed to tell this dude I want more games like this if I keep playing the free one?

>>712821684
???
>This shit is already happening with new Deltarune's soundtrack
What shit is happening with new deltaruner soundtrack?

>>712821776
>nothing new
What are you talking about?
>new battle system
>new areas
>new bosses
>new animations
How is that nothing?

>>712817186
>I must hate on a site that allows people to buy merch of their beloved game franchises because I'm a fucking contrarian
You're like a bad copy.

>>712821863
You'll be supporting the remaster maggots crawling on off's corpse with the creator's approval for clout.
Find the dude's patreon/ko-fi and throw money at him there without even having steam get a cut of it first.

>>712821684
So he's just paranoid over nothing?

>>712821986
It is nothing new on the grand scheme of things, but I have to admit the battles have a better visual flair despite using the exact same system.

>>712821905
All reuploads are being copyright claimed.
This is fine on its own, but it includes extensions. I will have to make my own extende versions now.

>>712822215
No. I studied a music course and we were warned very clearly about how important it is to beware publishers and legal rights issues.

>>712822617
the publisher told him they cleared all the samples so what do you mean no?
it's literal schizoid paranoia

>>712822796
Did you read section 3? What was once free is now part of the paid version. If it were a new arrangement, that would be different. But then, every video using the old(now new/paid) soundtrack is in violation.

>>712821863
>How am I supposed to tell this dude I want more games like this if I keep playing the free one?

There's enough fanart on the the Web for Mortis Ghost to know people wanted more.

Fangamer are just cashing in.

>>712823334
You'll still buy it.

so what's this game about anyway

>>712815792 (OP)
oh my science is that free game but on a paid nintendie switcharoo cartage?!

>>712825162
I've never seen anyone ever talk about how you play OFF so that leads be to believe it actually must be incredibly boring.

>>712815792 (OP)
OFF is pretty mainstream already desu.
I don't think there's a need for a remake thought.
I don't haven't played the remakes of other RPG Maker games either, even though I love them. I don't think I'll be playing this one either.
The only thing I liked about the OFF remake is the some new illustrations are cute.

>>712815792 (OP)
Which version of the translation is the least gay?

>>712821636
> a diehard undertale fan
Nigger literally anyone remotely familiar with bonetrousle is able to hear it in the theme.

>>712832290
regular people who never played undertale wouldn't even know what the fuck that is

>>712825162
Vague posting and copying Paranoia Agent

>>712834297
>Paranoia Agent
Based?

It's funny how overall marketing campaign for remaster is just saying who works on soundtrack replacement, trying to sell this to newfags who likes projects of thise people. This is such a shit marketing strategy, especially when soundtrack fails to be any near to ACCs original. Like hell, they've got like 6 people on soundtrack, when ACCs made it all alone.
And new content just scream Toby Fox with how Undertalish and out of place it looks

>>712834972
well toby fox is hailed as like the god savior of videogames and sells trillions of copies of his games
so yeah why wouldn't they market it after the literal hottest most popular thing in the world right now?

My real problem is gameplay wasn't remade at all. It's same FF ATV slog but now you can't auto-battle. And there is crit system you can't interact with.
I can easily mod in old music, I can't mod in good gameplay revamp. And they did all of this shit in Unity too

>>712836092
didn't they say they remade the gameplay to be improved

>>712836494
It's basically the same exact thing
You just can't auto-battle now
They did remade crit system, but it is a nothingburger. You don't have control over crits, they're still random. But you can see when your or enemie's next attack is a crit. Oh and you can see enemy action bar now too.
It's more of a UI rework and not gameplay one. But crits do work now both on damage and heal and on items as well.
And to make gameplay "more difficult" some encounters have more enemies than before and game some new abilities ( they're nothingburger most of the time ).
Literally nothing else. There is no elements type interactions, elemental damage is still useless as it is in no way different to other damage types. Items have now downsides to make you equip different things. You still use your high damage ability and heal hp/cp on demand. That's it, not real gameplay improvements in battle.
But hey, they did completely gut Flesh Maze Tango music puzzle, so battle gameplay is technically better than puzzle gameplay so far.

>>712815792 (OP)
I hate these new versions of old niche games, they always look like what the community think about it and the dev just appeal to them to sell more. Losing all the soul of being a little love project to a soulless cashgrab.
Doesn't even comes with the original music, I don't hate toby but pepper steak is an iconic classic

>>712837636
well true but instead of being just a young guy doing whatever making a little fun project is now an adult man who needs money to survive
so of course he'll try to sell something he made that was popular now that his priorities changed to fucking trying to stay alive another day and buy food
people grow up

>>712837897
That's true and you are right, but he's clearly putting a lot of money on marketing this new version of the game and getting new people to work it. I know is more effort to do something new but he clearly have the resources.

>>712820657
>modded
Thats cringe reddtt shit right there

>>712838278
>He's clearly putting a lot of money on marketing
*Fangamer puts a lot of money on marketing
Mortis is basically a yes man who does some art right now. He isn't even a spokesperson but is here to take off heat from any shit decisions Fangamer makes. They may consult and ask for approvement from Mortis, but he not once said he doesn't care about OFF anymore, and because of that I doubt he cares about any real integrity of the game.
Mortis is here for the bag ( Fangamer were the ones who approached Mortis about remake idea ) and he already got ( He closed Patreon and said he doesn't need money anymore )

>>712838929
Are you a retarded snoy cattle or what? What's wrong with tuning the game to your liking?
>nooo not my heckerino artistic vision of kike salesmen
Kill yourself.
>>712839406
>but he not once said he doesn't care about OFF anymore
This shit still baffles me to this day. OFF is pretty much the only thing he's famous for. He could have turned it into something that gives him some sort of passive income. Why is he so objectively retarded to disown the one thing carrying his name as of now?

>>712840075
Because he is belgian comic artist. He isn't a game developer. Look at it from other perspective. Imagine how annoying it is that project you made for shit and giggles in highschool is the only thing talked about. The thing that you personally consider very mediocre at best and would be much happier talking about your comics. I had respect for him before remake for having clear anticonsumer position, when he didn't milk OFF as tge only thing he can actively sell, but rather continued to do shit he wanted. Now I don't feel that way. Honestly feels like he doesn't even want people to play the remake for OFF's shadow will haunt him even more because of this.

>>712841247
>the filename combined with the pic
lmfao
>project you made for shit and giggles in highschool
That's what he claims himself, but no matter how you look at it, the fidelity of the original game is very high: it clearly has some good, refined artistic vision put into it, it has an entire OST composed for it for fuck's sake (albeit it's full of looped tracks and samples, but still). I refuse to believe that a game of such scale could be made for "shit and giggles" only.
Personally, I don't have any strong feelings towards him because:
1. No one is taking away the original game from people.
2. It doesn't have a "special place" in my heart or whatever, although I still think it's a decent game.
3. I don't mean to call Mortis a retard, he may be a glorified schizo, which still leaves his motives bizarre to me.
>I had respect for him before remake for having clear anticonsumer position, when he didn't milk OFF as tge only thing he can actively sell, but rather continued to do shit he wanted. Now I don't feel that way.
That's a nothingburger, really. If you want to see an actual fall from grace, look up Alx Preston.

>>712820974
What gameplay?

>>712815792 (OP)
>there is a good chance the king of /v/ result pushed the dev to make the remake
I would honestly believe this

>>712842174
It has such fidelity because ACC clearly had some sort of quality standards, with how the game has unused soundtrack, and that while they wanted to make the game just because they didn't want to make a shitpost game. The game itself if full of the most easy shortcuts such as monotone colours, samples, scanned drawings as sprites, etc. And it doesn't have cut content beyond music. It's literally Mortis making a game after playing Silent Hill and Killer7 and after watching Paranoia Agent.

>>712842909
>both are getting a steam release the same year

>>712839406
>>712838278
Well if fangamer approached me and said they would make a bunch of money for me and I only have to sign on the line, I wouldn't refuse either. I'm not excited for the OFF remake because it's really only for the money, like almost all of these remakes.

>>712815792 (OP)
>we can't even gatekeep something as esoteric and quirky as this anymore.
you sound insufferable

>>712815792 (OP)
>$35 for a free game made by 1 guy barely touched up by some talentless hacks

lmfao

>>712833023
>a diehard undertale fan
>regular people who never played undertale

>>712833023
Regular people would never touch OFF. You're looking at an audience of people who are interested in quirky meta RPGs. The majority of them will have played undertale.

>>712837535
>You just can't auto-battle now
What the fuck

>>712849967
It's funny, auto-battle was OFF's saving grace, since the combat was shit, but at least there was a way to effectively skip it.

This remaster was sold on the idea that the combat would be redone so that it would feel like it was worth paying for. But not only have they not done that, but they removed the one saving grace the combat had.

>>712821012
>MGQ: P
>not heard of
What a way to out yourself, dumbass.
Here is a (You).

when is it end roll’s turn in the spotlight

>>712821046
>Why would anybody be upset?
the bonetrousle motif isn't even in reference, it's the main melody of the song and is incredibly fucking jarring
i like toby fox but his motif based songs do not fit in off, they should have hired somebody else
>make you an entire soundtrack for free
he's only doing battle themes

>>712825162
There’s a cat

So is the only difference for the steam version that the OST will be different?

This is going to seem like a nitpick (probably is) but does anyone else dislike how genericly rpg-like the remake is?
the text in the battles, for example, i don't like how it went from just reading out the move names to "The Batter used Wide Angle!"
stuff like that, the new menu with the cutesy art, etc. it's nice, but it's very upbeat and doesn't fit the minimalist tone of the original
i think mortis' new artstyle is the best representation of that, it was sketchy and edgy and weird before, now it's very polished, round and cutesy

>>712820840
>Toby got lucky that all this happened just before Chapter 3 and 4 of Deltarune dropped so it got swept up in the hype for that.
You faggots are absolutely insufferable.

>>712851204
Never. You have Omori which is basically End Roll

New bosses will suck ass, I can feel it

>>712820928
Never heard of the first two but I agree With the bottom ones, people just need to be more creative.

>>712852603
i don't like how their presence implies the purification is reversible

>>712815994
>—

Toby, fuck off

>>712853254
Agree, I really fear they will go with new secret ending where purification is either reversible or can create a time loop. Second thing I don't like is how it seems to be in important purified areas ( like on top of the library where Judge usually is ). And I honestly fear it can replace Sucre as secret boss and delete Ape ending.

>>712822617
Toby said to fight back against copyright himself because some autist is flagging uploads of even Vidya footage with music claims.

>>712853891
after being turned off by the prologue the only way they could bring me back is by making a proper ape ending

I dread what Tobert will do for Queen and Hugo if ge replaced Fake Orchestra with that.

>>712856273
devil's advocate, dedan only got bonetrousle because he directly inspired papyrus
hugo and the queen will probably just get original tracks
the judge, however...

>>712851790
It's true, even said it would happen before 3 and 4 dropped.

>>712853273
That one makes me sad because he's not trolling or anything, just has no confidence in his own wording

>>712857278
context?

>>712858097
We're calling out that anon for his obvious chat gpt post. The "—" character is the smoking gun but if you've used the ai for any amount of time you can tell right away that's what it is. I've given him the benefit of the doubt that he isn't a shill bot for this game, but someone who uses chat gpt to organize his opinions for him.

I remember playing this because it was on the /v/ recommended games wiki. Then a couple years later it got really popular on tumblr for some reason. And now I guess everyone's already played it or at least watched a video essay on it. I don't see the point of a remaster but it seems like normies really like remasters so the guy will probably make a lot of money. Good for him.