He didn’t deserve it

>>712825772 (OP)
It's what he get's for fucking around with things he never should have.

>>712825772 (OP)
but consider: he's a fatass

He killed trillions, terminated every single timeline in existence until he reached the end of the universe and space and time where some humans had run away to after destroying their world
Then he decided to also fuck with that for the lulz
He deserved it

>>712825772 (OP)
He did it to himself

>Chuds
Hell yeah, that man will burn in hell for eternity
>Also Chuds
Think of the Jpegs of some old boomer game

>>712826440
Video games?

>>712825772 (OP)
>by definition
What definition? Who defined it?
I never played Mother 2 btw.

>>712825772 (OP)
yeah he did

He 100% deserved it

>>712827368
>Who defined it?
Than fan trannyslator

>>712827368
There can't still be a battle because neither Porky nor the player can attack each other, so the battle is over

Can't he leave once you do?

>>712827368
the definition of battle implies two or more people are fighting against one another
your adversary is inside a capsule and is in no state to fight, therefore the battle is over by definition

>>712827450
>crush-proof
>able to withstand up to 9.3 tons of compressive pressure
Directly contradictory. If it gets crushed at high enough pressures, it is not crush-proof at all.

>>712827630
No.

>>712825772 (OP)
>Caused the apocalypse
>Twice actually
>"H-He didn't deserve it"
Nah fuck him he deserves it

>>712825772 (OP)

>>712827368
You cannot harm Porky inside the capsule
He cannot harm you
Therefore, the battle is over.

>>712827592
Post the original Japanese then

>>712825772 (OP)
if anyone deserved this fate, it's him, he's in the "absolute pure evil" tier of video game character

Porky did nothing wrong.

>>712828167
I'm too retarded to translate Japanese, like all incels

i am firmly convinced that this thing kept porky alive long enough that it started to malfunction, causing him to mutate until he is a completely alien entity... leading to hi somehow getting sent back to the past and raised by ninten's grandparents.

Porky is 100% giygas.

>>712828701
Makes as much sense as anything else.

>>712828701
what does this add to the story of eb0? is the meaning of the story improved by this change?

>>712828996
Abuse is the root of all evil

>>712825772 (OP)
he really didnt, nobody does desu

>>712828701
>>712828892
no it doesn't. it makes no sense at all.

>>712828701
>retarded earthbounder theory that's debunked by simply playing mother 1 #69

>>712825772 (OP)
"By definition" is needless fluff and makes the writing look like it was done by an amateur trying to be clever. "The battle is over" has punch and would be much better.

>>712829918
Thats just all of M3s writing

>>712825772 (OP)
>fat
He did.

>>712829918
that kinda makes it seem like you won, you haven't.

>>712825772 (OP)
but he's happy about?
>didn't deserve it
that implies his ending was tragic for his character.
he's happy he'll outlive everyone else alone.
there's a ball gleefully rolling around in the end screen.
he 100% got what he wanted. he wins no matter what.
even if what he wanted might've just been him lying to himself.

>>712825772 (OP)
He didn't deserve it, but he WANTED it.

>>712829094
funny how plainly Earthbound shows this and it just goes over a lot of heads

>>712829094
Not an excuse.

Pokey did nothing wrong
He knew he was unable to go on a heroic adventure with his friends, so be became a double agent working for the enemy, and turned off the Devil's Machine so Ness could defeat Giygas proper. If not for MY HERO, it would have been an unwinnable fight.
Plus, he brought civilization, entertainment, and greasy burgers to an island full of backwards bumpkins.

>>712825772 (OP)
>be some snot-nosed brat that just wanted to one up your not-friend
>gets corrupted by literal pure evil
>"bro he deserved it"
Not saying he shouldn't be dead but come on a child got a jojo-tier villain ending

>>712825772 (OP)
in the end, he ended up becoming Giygas, having to live through endless cycles of trying to prevent himself from entering the pod

what made this pig bastard such a good villain for you?
he's simple yet effective.
just an unloved boy who became obsessed with power and getting rid of anyone who didn't like him.

i also find it strangely amusing how he starts off as just your annoying neighbor in m2 but ends up immortal with great power as dictator of the world in m3.

but basically, he's "that kid" incarnate and it just works.

>>712827592
>>712828167
>>712828362
>>712829918

You nigs made me look it up real quick
It says
"Porky, by being confined, (means) inevitably the battle is over"

>>712829094
Yeah, Porky's dad used to hit him. He started it all.

>>712831645
>what made this pig bastard such a good villain for you?

He's too real. Everyone has known a Porky, and everyone has suffered at the hands of a Porky. He is every single abused child who grows up to become a monster.

>>712825772 (OP)
Horrifying concept. I'm not sure anyone deserves that.

his name is Pokey you fucking weebs

>>712831706
Japanese is always super dry, Im not defending the trannylator its just what it is.

>>712827450
This needs multiple ways of entering/exiting. What if it lands on the side with the door? Your fucked. Then theres the obvious oxygen problems if you do get stuck in there.

>>712827450
What if it rolls into a place where the door gets blocked?

>>712832135
Sucks to be you then.

>>712831343
I remember that artist

>>712832030
It's a good Satan allegory. He'd rather suffer literal eternal damnation inside his little kingdom than spend a single second as a healthy, real human on the outside.

>>712831837
It’s funny how every single crime the pig mask army does is based on childish logic
>Wouldn’t it be cool if you made a robo dino?
>I’ll make everyone like me no matter what
>I’ll be the king and everyone will like me in my city with statues and food of me
>I want to control the weather and anyone who doesn’t like me gets zapped
It’s just that when you actually follow through with it all it turns into a nightmare dictatorship

>>712825772 (OP)
>incels getting their gaming PC

>>712828701
>Porky is nu-gygas
>Who is also Old Gygas because of time shenanigans o algo

KINOOOOOOOOOOO

>>712832249
Well that's the point. People like Porky *never grow up*. Their arrested development leads to a deformed brain that's trapped in adolescence, and when you give that kind of disease unlimited power, that is precisely what you get.

How did he get the yo-yo
Did he kill Ness while he was asleep one day with his time machine?

Pokey(sperm) + capsule(egg) = Gigyas(fetus)

>>712832349
he's literally me

>>712825772 (OP)
He did, but I still wish you could free him. The thought of him stuck in there forever gave me nightmares.

Here is the ending where he dies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50EDCaMGh9s

Look how lame and unsatisfying it is

>>712832581
it's literally the opposite, the eternal child Porky returned to the womb, but it turns out that's a hellish state of eternal youth trapped in a barren metal uterus that will cannot birth you

>>712832634
Looking through the looking glass of early mother 3/N64 is fascinating

>>712832067
that's pretty much what it means though.
"the battle inevitably ended (because he entered a place both he and the player can't fight)."
means "the battle is over by definition (because both he and you can't fight anymore)."

>>712832629
>>712832634
yeah see the ASC being truly eternal and unbreachable made the ending that much better, nobody HATES Porky for getting away with all he did because his ending is just that existentially terrifying

>>712832830
There is no need to put "by definition" in there, thats what the other anons were complaining about.
"Because Porky is confined to the capsule, the battle is over"
Done. but its dryyyyy

claus should've been more grateful to porky for making him COOLER

>>712831837
yeah, i can see it.
i know one lol.
he does feel real.

>>712833070
Honestly I appreciate the conversation but the “by definition, the battle is over” is more interesting

>>712833161
Yeah. It had an eerie feeling to see that be openly stated by the game. Like for a second you feel the meta of the game combat system struggling with the concept of "He's alive forever and eternally trapped, there is no 'fight' to be had"

>>712833070
i get that "by definition" doesn't need to be there.
they could've worded it more like the jp "the battle inevitably ended."
but the main reason i started arguing is that i don't have a problem with the translation they went with because it doesn't change the overall meaning.
that's just what i think though.

>>712833380
Even Nintendo anonymously basically said the translation was perfect

>>712825772 (OP)
Who is Porky and what did he do?

>>712833469
Maybe not perfect they they themselves wouldnt have made a better job.

>>712832178
me too

>>712833521
he's "that kid"

>>712833540
If they did it today they’d put memes in

>>712833521
The quick: fat kid who got the SHIT beaten out of him by his fatass father. His neighbor is the protagonist of Earthbound, Ness. Porky desperately wants to be Ness' friend, but keeps fucking that up because of how mean he is from being beaten every day. He gets caught up in Ness' destiny by becoming a villain against him. Eventually, this leads to him accessing time-travel tech that he uses to escape Ness after the end. He then travels time, becomes immortal because of it, and then destroys the world while chasing the survivors to metaphorical Heaven and Hell. In the end, he 'wins' and lives forever, but was clearly obsessed with Ness and all he could have been.

>>712828701
Avril is not to be found around the tennis academy therefore Avril is 100% Luria

>>712833581
She later obsessed over another series I never heard of that was nothing but young boys, after that I dont know.

>>712827450
>submerges you in debris deep enoug that its not worth rescuing you
nothing personel kid

>he is only evil because he got beaten
Bullshit, I hate excusing him with this crap. Yeah he had it rough but so does plenty of kids. Thats no excuse to steal a time machine and destroy the world.

>>712832059
Porky works better in Mother 3 since he owns it and goes all in on the pig theme.

>>712833990
Nah the real evil thing would be to paint over the window in black paint. Leave them to eternal darkness

It's weird to contrast Giegue and Porky's lives. Giegue went mad because he was raised in part by a human mother he genuinely loved, only to lose her because of her husband's betrayal to escape their captivity. Despite being loved, Giegue still went mad and turned to destruction. Porky had no real love, even his mother was an enabler. Whereas Ness is the only one to have a mother that genuinely loves him and does her best for him, and he loves her in return. But he never has to lose her like Giegue did.

>>712833149
same anon.
always thought it was cool that lucas' "awesome" equipment set was king equipment because porky is a king so there's a parallel between them.
besides the awesome equipment also being a homage to m2's awesome equipment.

>>712834027
Anon... he stole the time machine when he was that beaten and abused child. He never had a chance. You don't have to forgive Porky, but you do have to understand how doomed he was without love or friendship.

>>712826106
what kind of headcannon is this

>>712834103
when you go deep enough there isnt any light anyway

>>712834170
if you go loose with it then yeah Lucas is a King of Real Heaven and Porky a King of False Heaven sort of dichotomy

>>712834271
The game tells you the time machine can no longer go anywhere and not because it broke, implying all other timelines are kaput, likely due to porky having his fun.

>>712834352
Porky also mentioned traveling time SO much he suffered a Samurai Jack and just stopped aging after becoming ancient enough, which makes it feel like he annihilated time after he escaped at the end of Earthbound

>>712833850
Nobody outside of /lit/ had read this pseud shit. I tried reading one of his essays on tennis and couldn't make it more than few pages because the faggot tried soooo hard to be le deep and cool every fucking sentence.

>>712834352
literally never mentioned.

>>712834106
it makes more sense to contrast porky and picky.
both were abused and suffered from their parents divorce but only one of them became evil.

>>712834810
True. Though that does open the door to the dull complexity in the systems of abuse, like how often the 1st child ends up being the victim of the worst, while the 2nd child gets off easier. Not really the discussion for that, though. It just reminds me of way too many kids and families I knew growing up.

>>712835220
that could be the case too.
it could even be that porky remembers a time when his parents weren't fighting all the time.

how do i cope with being abused and fucked over by my parents being financially retarded

>>712831706
So the line was translated faithfully while making it flow better in the English language. Nothing to see here.

So what I'm getting from this thread is that MOTHER is a series about generational trauma (hence the name) and the power of the love that is also passed down, used to combat this trauma. Gyiyg is defeated in the original game by the party singing the eight melodies to him over and over. This was the song that Maria sang to him when she cared for him as a mother figure, this expression of love is his psychic weakness. Ninten, Ness, and Lucas are protagonists who had good family lives. Even when their fathers aren't around, they're still supporting them every step of their journey, while a mother represents love, childhood, and home, with the loss of a mother leaving Lucas lost. The games feature coming-of-age stories, being thematically similar to Stand By Me which was wildly popular in Japan, but with a greater focus on familial love. A young boy, with only his friends by his side, grows up over the course of an adventure.

Porky, meanwhile is the antithesis. He is the result of bad parenting. He never grows, and spreads his immaturity, his "damage" like a plague.

>>712835538
*no problem here
ftfy

>>712835608
Nice

>>712835461
lol you're in america, there is no help or hope for mental health care, have fun like the other 300,000,000 crazy people are

>>712825772 (OP)
He becomes Giygas later.

>>712835601
yeah pretty much, Itoi's work across the 3 games aren't hard to get with that theme in mind

>>712835601
It’s also why the series is called Mother, all three characters are supported by their families, even Gyigas(Formerly Gyigue) is stopped due to the love he had for his mother, Claus is brought back from the brink due to Hinawa’s love and is able to stop himself. Ness rings home constantly to even get through his adventure to begin with

>>712827450
I wouldn't mind using one of these as long as it had a compartment I could keep a gun in, just in case.

>>712832135
>>712832132
It's a japanese product intended for Earthquakes and Tsunamis, so in at least one of those scenarios (possibly both) it'll end up floating to the top of a body of water. Their earthquake response is also really good over there since that shit happens every fucking tuesday, so you probably wouldn't be trapped under rubble for long unless it was a cataclysmic quake.

Anyone read the book that inspired Lucas and Claus names? I enjoyed it as macabre as it is.

>>712833850
There are parallels, sure, but no way is Avril subjecting Orin to the fucking roaches. And he would've recognized her, right?

>>712836072
serious themes aside I have to stop to appreciate how much of a cool mom Ness' Mom is, she's constantly covering for you not being at school and is fully cognizant that something deeply fucked up is happening from day one, and just allows her boy to go (and then is all praises when he brings home Paula)

>>712825772 (OP)
The final battle with Porky was perhaps the most onions moment in a video game.

>>712825772 (OP)
Yes, he did.
It's what he wanted, in the end.

>>712835601
m3 was also greatly inspired by agota kristoff's notebook trilogy which had themes like living a lie, shock over losing someone, a small town that changes over time, the military changing the town and people's ways of living, etc.

porky even keeps himself young in the form of robots and keeps his mom around in the form of robots which seems similar to me in how the notebook trilogy has claus' mom keep herself looking pretty each day with makeup after losing lucas so she would look the same for the day he "finally comes back."
and how in the notebook the twins kept the bones of their mother and her baby daughter in the attic.
they kept them around even after that died.
and there's even an instance of someone making omelets which on m3 is lucas' default favorite food.
fluffy omelets in jp.

but you're spot on about the overall themes of family and love, growing up, and trauma which is even shown profusely through giygas' m2 incarnation.

just wanted to say that porky's leitmotif is the best in all media. even if it was stolen from shostakovich i don't care it's so perfect.

>>712825772 (OP)
He's happy in there and will be forever

>>712836441
For me? it was the sunflower field why is the game so fucking sad holy shit, extremely sour.

>>712837039
i like that it sounds militant

>>712836393
harelip almost made me throw up.
kristoff really liked taboo subjects in general.

He didn't deserve it

>>712837310
the rapist moustache was always ridiculous
Did he spend most of his time using the time machine in the 70s or what

>>712837039
Which Shostakovich symphony did the motif come from originally?

>>712829918
If you've consumed any amount of japanese media you know that little shit like that is everywhere
>I gave birth to him
>so basically you're his mother

it feels weird to have an actual enjoyable mother 3 (technically mother series as a whole) thread

>>712837436
Yes.
But its also intentionally uncanny and is a very simple, but very striking visual motif to show how unnatural Porky had become after abusing time travel for so long.

>>712827630
He never asked for an exit system, out of scope for the project

>>712837436
It's ridiculous but in a cartoony way, I think it fits with the Mother artstyle. Goofy way to show that he's thousands of years old despite the rest of his body still looking like a kid.

>>712825772 (OP)
Kuma sexo

>>712837039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMCXMg8p9sc
???

>>712827630
the possibility to leave means the possibility of becoming unsafe
he asked for it to be absolutely safe

>>712837661
We will never know if that was andonuts trolling or andonuts being autistic

>>712836401
I always theorized that Earthbound took place over Ness' summer break.

>>712837739
i meant the one from mother 3 but this is still an all time VGM banger

But where does Sans Undertale fit into all this.

what was his problem?

>>712837551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMZ9hXBrQMY

>>712837907
Spongebob parody

>>712837907
He has.............le depression...........

>>712837913
eh it's only the first three notes and the timpani i'm still willing to give shoko credit for it
that unfounded revenge rip is fucking stupidly blatant though

>>712837739
He's talking about: (I think)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rMlhiOY6i0
Pokey means business is really good too, though.

>Gaster is Porky
>Susie is Lucas
God damn it Toby

>>712837913
>the beatles
no wonder this never got a western release lol. the lawyers would eat them alive.

I always felt sorry for Flint, he wasn’t a child of destiny or hero, just a man who’s life got ruined by some fat fuck and spent every day searching for his son
Line in pic is super sad, why is this nintendie game so miserable lol, Nintendo will never have the balls to do anything like this again

>>712834106
>>712834810
It says more that Pokey and Picky come from your stereotypical American Conservative family.
>Aloysius is an abusive, alcoholic father who likes controlling people financially (Ness's Dad, who he didn't even loan hundreds of thousands of dollars too) and pretends he's living in poverty when it's clear he's not in order to play the victim.
>Lardna is the stay at home trophy wife who enables the abuse of her children and immediately starts cheating on Aloysius the moment he leaves.
It's the old nature verses nurture sitution for why Picky was still an okay kid while Pokey went pure evil.

The chad fatso

>>712838393
EarthBound had Beatles samples in it and it still got a western release.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_oc9Ypcb2Q&t=2m47s

>>712827630
There's no mechanism to exit the capsule. He's trapped there literally forever.

>>712838258
All the mother references and call backs ruined deltarune for me.

>>712837746
Mostly the latter with a bit of the former. Making it "absolutely safe" would mean there being no way to open it from the outside, or to open it from the inside, and hence, compromise the absolute safety of the capsule. Andonuts knew that, and gave it to Pokey anyways, with only a slight warning that "maybe you shouldn't use it yet."

This is the sort of thing that happens when you abduct people from across time and space and force them to build you technological contrivances to use in world domination. Really, Porky should have known better after Andonuts loudly declared he's done helping him in the cutscene at the top of the empire porky building.

>>712838637
well yeah but that's de minimis and transformative.
the mother 3 thing is literally just ripping the melody of back in the ussr

>>712838396
Itoi was an special case, and he is done with vidya anyways.

>>712838393
i thought it was more for the magypsies and merman oxygen machines (and the joke about that one pigmask being gay and liking the merman machines).
and that one pigmask who kept calling lucas cute.
and the magypsy hot spring innuendo.
and claus ending himself.
and the animal abuse by porky (peta was rampant in the early 2000s).
and the game coming out late in the gba life cycle.
and it not being worth it to localize the game because the fanbase isn't big enough.
i don't really want them to localize m3 anyway.
they'd ruin it probably.

>>712838637
I always assumed the VC releases of Earthbound cost more because the extra money was to pay royalties for the samplings.

>>712825772 (OP)
Can I get a QRD? What's the Absolutely Safe Capsule? Did Porky make it? Did he trap himself by mistake? Did Ness and his party do it?

>>712839280
no play the game

>>712839280
All answered in the thread already.

>>712839280
porky wants to watch the end of the world from the safety of the capsule.
the one who made, dr. andonuts, made it unopenable.
porky is stuck inside for eternity.
he's immortal.

>>712838396
It's extremely hard to make any media that caters to both adults and children, It's not that Nitendo wouldn't allow a tragic character link Flint or Lucas, it's more like.. the industry doesn't have those kind of people anymore and it probably doesn't even want them in first place.

Everything has to be shinny and extremely stupified.

>>712839280
He's finally safe from abuse, and the world is finally safe from his abuse. He is absolutely safe forever.

>>712838393
>>712839120
You're both retarded. The only reason is the same as it's ever been, it isn't worth the money. Reggie confirmed it. Now you can stop repeating the same shit people have been repeating since 2007.

>>712838483
Yeah. As far as Japanese pastiches of an American family go, that one was dead-on and personal.

>>712838483
so it's more that picky ended up normal because his parents split before they could ruin him.
that could be it.

>>712839549
i said it wasn't worth it in my post.
fanbase isn't big enough = not enough money to be made

>>712839280
The Absolutely Safe Capsule was made by Dr. Andonuts, a miracle scientist. The thing is, he made it exactly as asked and said: Absolutely Safe. This means once inside, Porky cannot die, cannot leave, and cannot be harmed by any force in existence. He can see through a view port and that's it. He is in a state of eternal stasis.

It is, after all, an ABSOLUTELY SAFE Capsule.

>>712839545
m3 wasn't popular in japan either.
ironically, there seems to be more western m3 fans than jp fans.

>>712839845
>Mother 3 sold over 368,000 copies in Japan by the end of 2006. It was one of the top 20 best-selling games in Japan during the first half of 2006. The game also received a "Platinum Hall of Fame" score of 35/40 from Weekly Famitsu

3 seconds with google zoomtard.

>>712839545
It’s funny you posted undertale because Deltarune is just a omori/mother 3 hybrid without even being subtle about it

>>712839696
It's more Picky is just naturally a good kid who can endure the abuse of his conservative parents. Remember that more than a few prolific serial killers grew up in loving, none abusive households.

>>712839920
I'm calling Toby games shit. Also that's undertale.

>>712839845
It shouldn't be too big a surprise, all 3 Mothers are about America/Eagleland. Part of what made Earthbound a cult hit was how it felt like a bizarro take on 90s America kid life, and how cool that felt at the time.

>>712839910
M1 and 2 are liked more over there I think its what he meant, because thats the vibe you get online from them

>>712839937
Remember too that he was younger: his innocence hadn't been completely destroyed yet. The night where he helped Ness may have gone a long ways too to affirming his want to help and be good; him and Porky both had radically different takeaways from that night.

>>712840049
>because thats the vibe you get online from them

Stop discussing games right now retard, go back to your containment deltatroon thread.

>>712831343
Giygas sex

>>712839910
i remember seeing lots of jp comments about how "mother 3 was too dark!" "oh great another sob story!" etc. on an earthbound site.
pretty sure mato talked about it or someone else maybe.
i don't feel like finding it.
if you know, you know

>>712840015
m3 was quite tonally different.
i still feel cheated by the ending somehow.
not because it was sad.
because it was one of those "left to interpretation" endings.

>>712839910
Considering Mother 3 released on the GBA two years after the DS came out, it's pretty impressive it sold almost 400k.

>>712840330
i'll add:
only m2 got an exhibition in japan.
m3 isn't necessarily hated but it is much less popular than m2.
not sure where m1 would be placed here but iirc there's lots of nostalgua for m1.

>>712840330
They should have made 2 endings, one where Lucas pulls the final needle and one where Claus does

>>712837039
All of mother 3's tracks are coal compared to Earthbound's. Like even the middest track in earthbound mogs the pigmask theme.

>>712840632
i think they should've cut out the section where you walk around on "the end?" screen.

>>712825772 (OP)
Dude this is everything he's ever wanted. He's won. He beat the end of the world. He's so insane that HE THINKS THIS IS A GOOD THING.

>>712840330
>m3 was quite tonally different.

I liked that, though. I know a lot of people didn't, but Earthbound II wouldn't have felt sincere to me. It was a different time from the 90s. I wasn't 12 anymore and it felt right to see Porky's conclusion. I know the ending felt up to interpretation, but it didn't feel like that to me. It was clear the Old World died, and they moved on to the New World. It was as much literal and metaphorical; Mother Earth healed. A second freedom from sin with all lessons learned from what it brings kind of resolution.

>>712840745
Right, kinda defeats the purpose of trying to be ambiguous.

>>712840106
You'd be surprised how fast an abusive family can break a kid though.

>>712840632
>one where Claus does
He confirmed that since Claus had no heart rather than pokey’s predicted needle pull with negative intent, everything in existence would die, even pokey and the dragon

>>712841001
I'm intimately familiar. Again, this goes back to the dull complexity of abuse dynamics, where a kid like Picky being the 2nd child can end up with way less abuse than the 1st one gets, and other weird dynamics. But I agree that without Porky running away and disrupting everything, Picky was only a few years from his own break, and how fast a young child can be completely fucked up.

>>712840330
I think it would've been better if they just showed Lucas taming/fighting the dark dragon on screen rather than that end of the world cutscene & END? sequence.

>>712841056
>Just me, the Dragon, and the whole wide empty world...

>>712840754
He might think that for 10 minutes or so, but after everyone has left and he's all alone, forever, he probably just went insane

>>712840330
>because it was one of those "left to interpretation" endings.

It wasn't. Also stop typing like newfag, newfag

>>712841349
The Dragon was a concept, not a boss fight, it was the final destruction before renewal (whereas Porky wanted final destruction and nothing after)

>>712841379
black dragon cloaca my interpretation is that there was no dragon, black dragon is just the name of the reset button

>>712825772 (OP)
how the fuck did Itoi design this savage punishment? he's a sadist.

>get a novelist who doesn't really play vidya to help write for a video game
>it becomes a masterpiece
This should be the standard.

>>712840825
oh yeah, i enjoyed m3 as well.
don't get me wrong.
only parts i didn't like was how the chapters were structured i guess.
it's not terrible it just makes it less fun to replay.
salsa's chapter is especially monotonous.
i get that's the point — salsa's life sucks.
but it's not fun slowly delivering boxes and trying to stay alive while watching fassad hopefully kill the enemies (or maybe he'll just laugh and waste his turn).
i didn't like the clayman factory either.
i thought the summaries at the end of chapters were pointless too.

>>712840851
yeah, it just seems counter intuitive.
i should rephrase my original complaint.
i don't like how the ending is "the wotld ends... but it doesn't. here's dialogue on this black screen. everyone's okay, bro."
i think it either should have ended after the world is shown being destroyed or just show the ending being happy.

there's maybe some point with how the world ends only if the player gives up and wants it to end there since there has to be interaction from the player to keep the world going — you can give up and let that be the end or you can keep on living despite losing everything and having your figurative world come crashing down.
that's how i rationalize it to myself but i still don't really like the execution.
itoi said the ending was originally darker.

>>712841349
i'd be fine with that

>>712841484
i rephrased.
i type in different ways to uphold an anonymous persona.

>>712828701
Only makes sense if Porky somehow lost all his memories, and doesn't actually add anything to the story.

712841931
post hidden. simple as.

>>712837416
my headcanon is that he starts performing plastic surgery on jesse while hes in the methbasement to start making him look more like lydia

>>712841946
If you've lived for millions of years while trapped in a capsule you'd probably lose your memories and go absolutely insane, which fits the state that Giygas is in pretty well.

>>712832059
defending 30 year old translation mistakes award

Knowing Porky, he'll believe he won no matter how long he spends inside it that. He never truly gonna pay for what he did it's a bit of bittersweet end for everyone

>>712827450
>Ball rolls away during cataclysm
>Motion sickness for the 4 people inside
>They all start to vomit
Nah I'd rather get crushed.

>>712841575
i theorize that's how the nowhere islands and tazmily village came to be.
the earth was destroyed and some survivors left on a white ship.
they started living in a regressed society until fassad shows up and gives them capitalistic concepts like money.
i think the "dragon" is a world's reset button.
a self destruct button.
but it's also mentioned people used to live with the dragon but eventually couldn't anymore.
i think that means the dragon also represents nature.
they couldn't live with the dragon anymore.
they couldn't live with nature anymore because they ruined it.
the dragon is nature. it's a reset button to return to nature's oldest form again.
the "evil" is machinery and dragon gets rid of it.

so at the end, the dragon did destroy the world and all the abominable machinery.
but the people and all natural being were kept safe and put in the reborn world which had been reset to start from its most primal form once again.
they'll have to start over again and i hopefully they don't find out about pointless pleasures like consumerism again.

>>712842371
yeah but Gygas messing with the people from Earthbound is what caused Porky to go full evil in first place.

>>712843002
And Giygas getting fucked up by his people and his human parents is what caused that - the whole deal is generational trauma being passed down as it snowballs like a massive psychic force of hate and harm

>>712827594
>>712827686
>There can't still be a battle because neither Porky nor the player can attack each other, so the battle is over

What a crock, Andonuts by definition can't prove that it's absolutely safe. Therefore the battle is not over.

>>712843409
Negative, play the games zoomtard

>>712843002
The irony of a time traveler accidentally creating the situation they needed to use time travel to respond to is a pretty common trope in the genre.

>>712843414
>Andonuts by definition can't prove that it's absolutely safe
Yes he can? He fucking built it and tested it what are you on about?

what do you think of claus' fate?

>>712843505
Giygas is an alien with a mission. your theory is shit.

>>712843743
the usual, tragic and proper, good on Itoi for not backing away from something like that

>>712843552
>Yes he can? He fucking built it and tested it what are you on about?

Tested it against what? A baseball bat, gloves and shoes? You could probably drill through the glass.

>>712843743
Im more interested to know if his entire body was cyborg or the brain was spared

>>712842698
>Not wanting to bond with your new harem of female survivors by attempting to projectile vomit the Katamari Damacy theme together as you escape
Some people just don't have the gumption.

>>712831837
Some of us are one ;_;

>>712825772 (OP)
you just mad cuz he won

>>712843952
He was a dead body revived with cybernetics, so he was probably half and half- I imagine the brain had a computer jammed into it to make it work.

>>712832634
Wait there are multiple endings to the game?

>>712844005
I kneel. Take my place in the pod, I don't deserve it.

>>712844324
No thats stuff that went unused but is still inside the game rom data

>>712844324
it's unused

>>712828701
Impossible. No way Porky is losing all that weight.

>>712844594
I just noticed all final bosses are in a capsule at some point

>>712835461
Start with the hardest part; forgive yourself

>>712844764
>series is about growing up
>villains all want to return to a womb
it's the little things that keep me invested

Im still mad we got robbed of a kino-er Claus fight
https://tcrf.net/Mother_3/Unused_Graphics/Backgrounds

>>712844873
the most impossible step

>>712843952
interesting question.
it's possible.
claus was brainwashed into being porky's minion.
it seemed like all the chimeras were brainwashed in some way.
i assumed claus had to off himself to escape from porky's influence.
he regained control and remembered himself but maybe he knew he could still be controlled or made violent by porky in some way or that he himself could lose control again at any time.
there's also unused flashback cutscenes that have vhs static in them.
i assume they were going to be robot claus remembering his past.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IdF45BIt6mQ&pp=ygUPbW90aGVyIDMgZW5kaW5n

>>712835759
mental health care is a meme, nobody can help you other than yourself, therapy is a scam unless you are sub 80 IQ then it might help when you hear fucking obvious shit for the first time in your life

>>712844912
I thought Giygas just wanted to prove an Apple wrong

posting this classic
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fuK0R8xVi5o&pp=ygUgbW90aGVyIDMg44GK44G-44GR44CAd2UgbWlzcyB5b3U%3D

I've never played the mother series
which one is the one ness is from
are they all translated

>>712844873
forgive myself for what?
being abused?

>>712845374
m2.
yes.

>>712845449
Do a flip faggot

>>712845147
>vid from 13 years ago
Damn somehow I never saw that before

>>712845374
All 3 are translated and playable in English, Mother 3 is the only one that was never officially localized.
Definitely recommend them if you like JRPGs or looking to get into JRPGs.

Ness is from Mother 2 aka Earthbound in the west. If you want to get into the games start here.

Gameplay wise they're all DQ clones, the Mother 1 or Earthbound Beginnings is pretty barebones being an NES RPG but is still worth playing.
Earthbound adds overworld encounters and real time HP depletion along with some other fun albeit niche mechanics.
Mother 3 adds an optional rhythm mechanic to the battles (just tap A in time with the music to deal extra damage). and sneak attacks.

>>712845869
have you seen the unused startup scenes?

>>712844975
someone tried to make a fanmade ending using them and making it more like how they thought m64 was going to end.

>>712844337
lmao

>>712845993
why should i start with 2 instead of 1

>>712846312
1 is really rough.
nta.
you can still start with 1 if you want though.

>>712846076
these?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Htx4HvKXlM
Why did the boar want to rape kumatora

>>712846424
yeah, those.
idk.
she is a bear tiger so maybe some animal joke.

>>712826440
Obsessed

>>712846424
who wouldn't

>>712846312
If you've never played NES RPGs, Mother 1 can be hard to get into. The encounter rate is really high, EXP gain is slow, and two dungeons in particular are notoriously hard to do without a guide. The story is worth it but the game itself can really test your patience.

>>712839993
>Also that's undertale.
That anon DID acknowledge that it was undertale though

>>712846312
lil bitches who can't handle a (rather easy) NES RPG think you're as much of a weakling stinkling as them

>>712846312
Because you sound like a zoomer than wont be able to enjoy NES games
If thats not the case then play 1 first, I think its better than 2 story wise anyways

i'm still surprised lucas got in smash

>>712846736
i was born in 97 and my first game ever was pokemon red

>>712846895
Well M1 was developed by the same devs that then made pokemon gen 1

>>712825772 (OP)
>not being able to take a turn
this shit alone is responsible for Undertale

>>712846895
You are a zoomer, stop asking questions, this is not reddit you fucking retard

>>712846312
Mother 1 is great and my favorite game in the series. Like many games of it's time Mother has some chest hair (kek).
There is a lot of grinding, instant death spells, a high random encounter rate and you can get lost pretty easily.
>>712846895
Nice so you're an elder zoomer like me. I think you'll enjoy it.

>>712846895
sorry, man. you're not allowed to ask questions here.

>>712847143
>>712847061
shut up bitch
i own this board

>>712846895
this will be the filter for if you should start with m1 or not:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fuK0R8xVi5o&pp=ygUgbW90aGVyIDMg44GK44G-44GR44CAd2UgbWlzcyB5b3U%3D

>>712847241
mole cricket...

>>712847241
>DUDE IM A FUCKING MORON
>IS THIS WORTH PLAYING

You don't own this board, you are barely even getting petty replies. Go back to your bunker. >>712845993
>>712845147
>>712842816
>>712841931
Mentally ill retard

>>712847305
fuck.
i meant this:
https://youtu.be/yQUN7QAnMp0
>>712846895
above link

>>712847318
/v/ is my magicant faggot gtfo

>>712832634
I wish people asked Itoi about Mother 3's unused content one of these days, this and the Claus backgrounds in particular are things that to this day I'm still very interested in knowing the actual context of, don't think I'd get the answers for either of those things with just a miraculous rom leak for EB64 (which would still be pretty cool to see in its own right).

>>712845449
For feeling screwed up

>>712847479
I think the battle would have went the same way, the backgrounds are just symbolism for the way Lucas sees his brother.
He hinted the ending was a lot darker meaning that Lucas was so affected by the battle it made him feel negatively and cause the dragon to end the world. Either that or just remove the part where the characters let you know they are all fine

>>712847456
it's hellish to realize that the internet of the 90s and early 00s was Magicant for me and a ton of other people, and then we watched it die and become the hellhole it is now

I choose to believe the wish Lucas made at the end was to reset the world to as he remembers it, but without Porky

>>712847728
Same but Claus and Hinawa didn't come back

>>712847706
At least we were there.

do you think claus, hinawa and all those that died came back after mother 3's ending?

>>712847858
No. They get to rest in peace

>>712847858
no

>>712847728
wasn't porky still rolling around in his capsule at the end?

>>712847829
Oh, yeah. I'm legitimately grateful for that, it was a once-in-history time and event to be a part of. But a lot of days I think of everyone I met and knew online back then, and how much it now feels like a lost world that never happened.

i wish the game had more connections to earthbound. you're telling me a PSI demigod like Ness wouldn't try to save his friends father?

In M1 was Maria and Magicant, her love for Gearge and Gigu
In M3 was Hinawa, no need to say more
But M2 has no equivalent, whatever they were trying to do with the manimani statue didnt work, M2 is strong on mystery and cool places but weak on a strong emotional punch

Be honest /v/. The final boss and ending.
Did you cry?

>>712847998
not only the internet, society, gaming, climate, even income used to be better. Everyone born after 2000 is a husk without a soul

>>712827450
I have so many questions. How long will your oxygen hold out for? Even if the ball can handle a 25m drop, what's protecting the force of the fall from affecting the people inside? If the ball can't handle drops over 25m and can't withstand over 9.3 tons of pressure, then how is it "crushproof?" How does it open and what's preventing the mechanism that keeps it closed from breaking?

>>712846895
'98 here. I beat Mother 1 when it was still known as EarthBound Zero (still a better title than Beginnings) without the easy patch. I actually really love it but the game itself makes it really hard to love it.

Shit gets too real once you reach Mt. Itoi and it's unforgettable.

>>712848108
not while i was playing it. it only hit me sometime after beating it.

>>712848109
>>712847998
Western civilization peaked, so now we are in the slow decline that will take 100 years, then complete destruction and then rebirth.
We were extremely lucky to experience the 80s/90s.

>>712848108
I saw the fight when I was younger with hardly any prior knowledge in regards to M3's story so it didn't hit as hard as it should've when I actually played the game
still got a few tears out of me though

>>712848105
2 leans more into the coming-of-age stuff, with the focus on Ness (literally) fighting his own demons.

>>712848340
This happened to me but for Mother 1.

>>712848108
I got spoiled, so I couldn't.

>>712848105
You didn't cry a bit at "I want him to be a strong, thoughtful boy." or when Ness has to go back to be a normal kid and has to drop Paula off at her place?

>>712848108
Im a pussy ass faggot when it comes to drama in fiction, you bet I did.

>>712825772 (OP)
think back to EVERYTHING he did in that game and try saying that again. the dude is a raging psychopath. being trapped forever in a prison of his own making is a perfect punishment for him.

>>712848108
only time it's ever happened to me. love theme leitmotif combined with hinawa's dialogue just gets me every time.

>>712835538
>le flow
you faggots need to kill yourselves

>>712848514
Good moments but not quite the same
Even M1 did the romance better with the intimate dance scene.

>>712848514
I'll say that EarthBound's emotional moments are probably a bit more subtle and hit harder when you get old, though.

>>712848108
Nah, it was never earned. I have to actually get to know the characters for there to be an emotional impact. Hinawa dies too fast, and Lucas and Claus don't get enough dialogue for me to really care. They ALMOST had something with Flint in the early chapters, but they dropped him too quick and for too long.

>>712825772 (OP)
"Deserving" was never the real issue here.

>>712846312
earthbound fans hate mother 1 for some reason.

>>712848579
>Claus… Claus… Come to your mother…
>You must be so exhausted. Come here Claus.

>>712847728
I believe that Lucas remade the world, but the scars of Porky will always remain because they have to.
Trying to purge that evil from his heart would be another white ship situation. A world of ignorance cannot sustain itself. At least in a thematic sense. Maybe Porky steeling himself in the sphere is a metaphor of this belief of mine in a way too.

>>712846312
You shouldn't. Even if you need to cheat at Mother 1, play it first.

>>712848883
I just wish we had EarthBound's gameplay with M1's writing. Sure, there's two remakes coming but one of them is practically vaporware and the other one is being built by what looks like zoomer secondaries that are taking too many liberties.

>>712848935
honestly just having speedup to blitz through shitty random encounters or really basic dungeons is enough for me

>>712848883
A lot of them see Mother 1 as an inferior rough draft or prototype of earthbound.

>>712848918
>play Mother 3 after growing up with 1 and 2, after my own mom died when I was still young

no image to really convey that

>>712849136
I guess it hits different when you play Earthbound, and then discover emulation a few years later and open a treasure chest of shit you never got to play; something like Mother 1 felt like a relic you were denied, so it had an entirely different impact.

>>712849223
Fuck anon that sucks, Im lucky my parents are still around, they are getting old.

>>712849042
The vaporware one is also being made by zoomers who haven't played the original game. Surprise surprise.

>>712849223
I cant play any old game that revolves around fatherhood since my dad died 2 years ago.
I feel you brother.

>>712849223
>no image to really convey that
I don’t think something that painful can be conveyed by simple pics/words.
Shit sucks anon, sorry to hear it

>>712848615
>t. esl

>>712849526
>>712849223
>>712848918
Facebook

>>712849348
It hit different for me since I had only ever played the trilogy after SSBB but before Earthbound came out on the Wii U, so emulators were the only way you could play all 3. So they all hit the same for me and EB0's gameplay felt tedious to the point where I needed fast forward for how repetitive the battles were.

>>712849464
why even post this? this is fucking putrid and rancind. This site sucks.

>>712849617
>VIDEO GAMES ONLY, NO HUMANITY

>>712849136
>inferior rough draft
Story is too different from M1 to really be a rough draft.
it's superior anyway

>>712849617
newfag

>>712849723
I guess you just aren't sigma rizz cooking skibidi enough for this...

>>712849617
People like you are why this board is shit now

>>712850040
Because i call you out on your traumadumping? Nah, newfags like you are the reason why the board is shit. Also if you are a slav i would even cheer because your parents died, pig.

>tfw Earthbound 64 never

>>712850174
one day it will leak, I believe

>>712850174
Boney has seen some shit

>>712850174
Those are great faces for the N64
And then there is the cocaine filled dog

>>712850174
Everything I hear about 64 intrigues me more and more

>>712850425
that's always the fate of games with huge beta versions.

>>712849464
>>712849723
The thing that really pisses me off about the gif, is that he didn't even make it in time to the song. He spent all of his energy making all of those frames, for that cringe dance. But couldn't be bothered to make it on rhythm. What a fucking failure.

MOTHER threads are so bitter nowadays.
They're not worth visiting. I just wanted to drop in to say that. I leave now.
Good bye.

>>712850704
So much soul I could die of an overdose

>>712851006
Ok newfag , we care.

>>712851006
This one was pretty good.

>>712851006
thread's been pretty positive though?

>>712851006
this isn't an airport zoomie

>>712851006
>Shows up in civilised conversation
>OH MY GOD YOU BRUTES ARE UNTAMED SAVAGES, I SHALL BE DEPARTING HENCE FORTH IMMEDIATELY
>Leaves
Does baby want a (You)?

>>712850704
The Nintendo gigaleak did not bring more information about mother 64?

>>712825772 (OP)
Maybe he didn't, but frankly it's difficult to view it as so completely horrible as such a fate may be to any regular person. He was already going senile to the point of thinking in circles and seeming regressing to a little kid's mindset again, and in his delusions he thought he was winning by pulling this shit. After an eternity in there, he's not gonna fucking care because he probably won't be able to form a thought anymore.

>>712825772 (OP)
He was the Snake on the Garden of Eden. No punishment is bad enough

>>712827368
>>712827592
>>712832067
>>712843414
>>712843930
>people with clinical autism in charge of critiquing dialogue
no wonder mother 3 is a loathed game on /v/

>>712851471
He didn't regressed into being a kid, he never stopped being one it's just that traveling in time fucked his body up. Same reason why Ness and friends had to be turned into robots.

>>712851681
He never really grew up, sure, but he seems even more infantile by the time of Mother 3 than he was in EB/M2, is what I meant.

>>712833070
You read at a 4th grade level. Not everyone needs to stoop to your level.

>>712851471
>seeming regressing to a little kid's mindset again
It's more like he never grew up and was always in that little kid's mindset. He's been wrecking timelines for thousands of years, treating every new world he went to like a playpen and its residents like toys that he played with and destroyed before bailing to go somewhere else so he never has to face consequences for his actions.

>>712851454
Nah, new footage of the game didn't resurface until a year after the gigaleak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R51fqY1MJ0k&ab_channel=Zen64

>>712839120
No, it's simply because the game has a pro-environmental, pro-small community message and the US lives under the boot of Big Oil who keeps pushing for ever larger, car-centric cities, so they threatened NoA to never localize it.

>>712851681
>The war against Giygas is over...
shit hit me right in the feels

>>712851821
Ever met someone in your adult life and felt like they should've been beaten more as children? That's who Porky is.

Explain to me how did this series buck-broke 6 generations of men(4 of them thanks to the first two making games inspired by them)?
I never played it so the fact it is still influencing stuff in the modern era is quite an achievement.

>>712852095
It's just good. I know what other games you're talking about and they suck shit compared to Mother.

Mother 1 may actually have the best story out of any 8bit RPG.

>>712852095
playing the game explains the game

>>712852095
Extremely unique RPG with a setting that countless people have tried but virtually no one has successfully copied and story that manages to pull off being both wacky and sincere (which is also something countless people have tried and failed to copy)

What's the best collection of 64 information on the net? Or is it still haphazardly everywhere?

>>712826440
Sorry it didn't come with micro-transactions faggot.

>>712830794
anon, he doesn't know he can't get out yet at the end screen. he couldn't hear them through it.

>>712852403
starmen dot net forums I imagine

>>712848108
It would have been more emotional if I didn't have to play a blocking simulator while waiting for Claus to kill himself.
I like Lucas' family but if you unironically cried to fucking Hinawa's ghost speaking to Claus you probably cried to Steven Universe as well

>>712853018
>you probably cried to Steven Universe as well
Kek

>>712852403
any information out there is probably muddied by all the shit zoomers make up about it. Idk why they're so obsessed with that game

He deserves it because he BROKE me

>>712851006
Time to separate the soul from the soulless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za9BWNQaJYI
The SOUL is this video

>>712844125
I feel you. Porkies IRL get MBAs, /fitlit/ and asian trophy wives by 30. Or become autistic programmers who literally shape your world. But unlike M3 there's nothing normies can do about it. Also unlike M3 normies deserve it, and literally ask for it.

>>712827926
>Twice
It's implied he ruined multiple eras for the lulz when he talks to Lucas towards the end

>>712848108
I guess I'm the only one that thinks so but it tries waaaay too fucking hard. No subtly at all, it is too forcibly melodramatic, game is practically screaming at you through the music narration and even the gameplay that YOU HAVE TO START CRYING NOW.

>>712848724
Also this

>>712854698
Watching pollyanna actually makes me angry with Toby, deltarune and undertale. I no longer like the song because of this. I want Mother and everything about it to be completly forgotten.

>>712827450
Finna fly to namek in one of these

>>712855265
Huh? Those games suck but what does it have to do with Korone?

>>712855429
She's singing Pollyanna?

>>712852756
he'd still try to twist it into being he won anyway

>>712852395
I think the sincerity is the most important thing people miss when they try to make their quirky earthbound inspired RPG, especially nowadays when everyone shields themselves in irony to avoid getting hurt.

>>712825772 (OP)
God imagine just running to outside space and time and just cumming on the window for all eternity.

>>712827450
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXTSx0RvwEM

>>712827630
Andonuts added a failsafe that there would be no way to exit it, ever. He asks the Lucas if what he did was a bad thing but regardless of if you say yes or no he still feels guilty.

>>712855824
20 years and people haven't realized it's not meant to be quirky, it's meant to be seen from a kid POV. Pencil Eraser? Eraser Eraser

>>712837623
We need more Mother threads tbqh

>>712848108
Fraid so

>>712849816
>spoiler
I agree
Lloyd>Jeff

>>712854356
I'll admit EB64 is my lost media white whale but yeah the zoomers tried to make mario 64 creepypasta bullshit

>>712856456
I like that interview saying since Porky is immortal due to time travel, he'll still be alive in there after the end of the universe. That's how absolutely safe the capsule is

>>712857201
i'm just glad that one schizo is finally gone.
and it's nice having this thread.
i'm actually at about the end of my m3 replaythrough lol

>>712858830
I guess he was a Undertard

>>712827368
Are you fucking retarded? Do you need everything explained to you literally?

>>712838105
Did you not check the uploader before copying the link?

>>712842153
How did he lose so much weight?

>>712855824
how many earthbound inspired rpgs are there?
i know about omori, toby fox games, and citizens of earth.
oddity/mother 4 too if those count.

something i'll say about ut in trying to be similar to the mother games is that ut felt like it was trying too hard to be weird at times.

>>712837436
The Hogan stache

>>712859740
yiik counts

>>712859740
Lisa

>>712859740
Yume Nikki

>>712858242
maybe if ninty ever makes an n64 mini

>>712860083
I doubt it. We'll probably get Doshin the giant and that Mario Paint sequel.

>>712858875
He's here, he's the dude that space things like a newfag on a phone. I'm almost 50% certain he's the human poster.

Trust me i'm a schizo. This was also revealed to me in a dream. And a chinese fortune cookie perchance

>>712850704
god this looks so uncanny

>>712860083
I don't think they'd ever officially release it. The biggest reason the 64 version got cancelled is that they couldn't get a build of the game that could run the later parts without crashing. It's too unfinished for it to have an official release like EB0.

>>712859740
never played jimmy and the pulsating mass but it looked like it was trying to be sad earthbound

>>712860201
if he was here he'd be shitting up the thread with how mother 3 sucks and making his daily threads about it and responding to himself 24/7

>>712859740
HorrorVale is one that really goes all in on trying to be weird since it takes place in a cartoon halloween world. Also, did Knuckle Sandwich ever come out?

>>712860340
what about the demo?
they could still shove that in.

>>712851615
three people with severe aspergers doesn't constitute a consensus

>>712837913
>baby elephant walk
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8XnmvTPhxM

>>712859740
f-zerobound

>>712861080
idk why but I really like the idea of an Earthbound and Fzero crossover or Ness and Cpt Falcon being bros in smash.

>>712861180
ness would get in the way of the racers cars and prevent them from racing

Do you think Ness and the Earthbound party lived the rest of their lives in fear of a Porky retaliation because of the post credits letter he sent in Mother 2, notrealizing he's long been locked out of their time period like Leder mentioned??

>>712861459
they'd just beat up porky again if he showed up so no

>>712861459
>>712861589
Actually, that does make me wonder. How do you think Jeff reacted to his father just fucking vanishing one day?

>>712860201
i had a dream that i should give you a (You).
idk why but a woman in a red dress said to do this.

>>712861748
idk.
dr. andonuts was always distant though so it probably didn't surprise jeff for him to just vanish one day.

>>712859610
No, obviously, I just grabbed the first link I found on google. What's wrong with it?

>>712861559
I wonder if the "deadbeat detective" storyline that Itoi originally conceived for Mother 3 came from this idea of what Ninten's or Ness's dads did for a living.

>>712862002
If you're too lazy to check I'm not even telling you.
I'm just going to laugh at you for being a dummy.

>>712862056
It's pretty funny how it'd be going from two (somewhat) lighthearted adventures about young kids saving the world to a gritty mystery about a serious adult detective. I honestly think the reason why Mother 3 is so drastically different from the first two in the first place is to make up for Mother 1 and 2 almost being too similar, but he might've realized he went a little too far in the opposite direction at one point.

>>712861826
stop replying to yourself, take your pills and let me go

>>712861939
They do reconcile at the end though. It's a shame that the game dropped all these plot threads. They even cut out the line where Dr. Andonuts says you remind him of his sons friend.

>>712861559
people think this is a dropped sequel hook when it's really just a joke about his dad not being able to make it home from work

Yeah he fucking did. He's not even bothered that he's stuck in there for eternity.

>>712861459
The real question is how the fuck did Porky get the footage for his Earthbound movie in New Pork City. Did none of the Chosen Four seriously look up once to realize Porky was following them and obsessively recording their progress?

>>712837907
It's a lyric from a song on the Mother album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jT50gxC-dU

>>712863183
Photographer guy was a double agent

>>712838514
My friends, it has often been said I like war.
My friends, I like war.
No...
Friends, I LOVE WAR!

>>712862002
nta but you grabbed a siivagunner link.
it's remixed to include his highness' theme and another song.

>>712862494
.yourself replying stop pills, me and go let to

>>712863183
He had a time machine he can go back to them passing that area an infinite amount of times and record it himself

Tell it to me straight. How much did Ness and Paula abuse Ness' teleporting abilities once they became adults?

>>712841808
Video game industry is too snob nosed for that

>>712863609
Their psi powers got weakened after they had sex.

>>712825772 (OP)
You're right, he deserved worse.

>>712841808
this is what they did for clair obscur.

>>712841808
i mean itoi liked vidya, he just didn't know how to make it

They all died by the way.
The black screen ending with the dialogue is just a metaphor/purgatory/whatever.
Search your heart for what you know to be true.

>>712864310
the nowhere islands are magicant

>>712864310
nah
>>712864381
this

>>712864310
>>712864381
>>712864432
That reminds me of the theory that Chapter 6 takes place in Hinawa's Magicant which would be ultra mega peak

>>712841808
>Elden Ring
>Mother series
>Disco Elysium
It's true. If you get real writers you can BTFO Carmack.

>>712864381
Finally someone who fucking gets it.

>>712864381
yup

>nowhere islands are humanities magicant
>porky could get in because he was still human
>dark dragon just represented everyone waking up to face the real world again
>Porky is trapped in an eternal magicant like the man child he is

i know people shit on the Leder exposition scene but that part where he laments that they ran out time to give the islands a more complex backstory is a great meta moment

>>712864432
>>712864510
>>712864532
it even has its own version of the subconscious/sea of eden with tanetane island

>>712864783
yes, what's left of humanity in mother 3 is more or less living in a dream

certified famikino

>>712865129
i cried at this, no joke

>>712864381
>>712864532
>>712864783
>>712864926
cheers my likeminded friends

when the fuck they are remake this games... -.-; it too old for me to be play it i need it new graphics and abit QoL to not being bored

>>712851548
the snake was working for god, lmao

>>712864381
Remind me again what magicant was? It’s been a while but it’s supposed to be a plain of your subconscious manifested?

>>712838483
>Lardna
>Trophy wife
She's a great big fat person with a creepy grin. Her name signifies "I'm a fat fucking bitch" to all who hear it.

>>712865653
ok demon

>>712865694
She's a stepford wife, which is worse

>>712847410
>masterpiece guaranteed
The nerve they had, they knew they had gold

>>712837616
>I gave birth to him
>so basically you're his mother

>>712865701
angels dont have free will

>>712825772 (OP)
While his life sucks, that's not a excuse to ally himself with an eldritch alien who wanted to wipe out humanity and when said alien fails, do it himself for thousands of years.

>>712865807
Oh that makes more sense, I can see that. I don't know how Picky managed to stay as normal as he was while living in that household, you almost feel bad for him. Porky never understood that he had a best friend all along, and that was his little brother. Picky's life probably went to shit after he left.

>>712865983
Yeah that time they decided to rape women and create giants I guess God told them to.
So you treat God like pol treat the jews huh, that must suck

>>712865448
kys fucking esl zoomer

>>712864783
I honestly saw the inhabitants of the island as characters conjured by the sleeping Dark Dragon. These characters interacting are the internal monologue of the Dark Dragon trying to understand itself against evil. The Nowhere Islands are the Dark Dragon's Magicant.
It created these people and their stories in its sleep, even the white ship and the destroyed world and it's history. It's all background lore that didn't really happen, but these characters think it did.
Whether Porky is a figment of its imagination that's just a coincidence to the EB Porky, or it's actually Porky from EB, is up to you. But Porky represents an invasion of evil in the self and how corrupting it can be.
This in turn influences the Dark Dragon's own story, thus making it a battle of not losing to yourself to the evils of the world. The overall story is about the dragon trying to understand what humanity is, and Lucas winning despite his own hardships is what will reawaken the dragon as good force that understands the need to fight to keep humanity. The black screen and the changed logo of Mother 3 at the end is meant to for you to reflect on all of this. It is the mirror to finding and maintaining humanity.

lucas and claus still got reunited in the credits sequence.
you can't convince me that meant nothing.
maybe it only meant they metaphorically got reunited again but it's still something.

>>712864926
>>712864783
this magicant theory makes a lot of sense.
it fits the narrative importance of living a lie as well.

>>712865983
Yes they do. What is this some calvinist shite?

>>712865448
Holy kek this post

>>712832132
>multiple ways of entering/exiting.
problem is that each exit hatch weakens the design, so you'd have to thicken the whole thing to compensate.

>>712834550
Filtered.

>>712866086
>be omnipotent
>create man
>create angels without free will to watch over man
>angels immediately teach man war and then rape human women creating mutant giants
>god explicitly says that “making man was mistake that he regrets doing” and so he floods the world to kill all men (except for noah, who didn’t piss him off) and especially the giants
>some men and explicitly at least one giant survives
Holy fuck. Genesis was not a good day to be yhwh.

>>712846312
Just play the Tomato version that has the EZ Ring that doubles exp gain

>>712848918

>>712851006
It's either that or Paula spam

>>712863609
>Can save up on travel fees
A lot but that's assuming Ness taught her teleport

>>712867323
Misread your post

>>712833850
>Dick
>fucking
>wanker

>>712865692
more or less, yeah

>>712850704
I'm surprised. I thought Ness was just a placeholder till I saw Onett.

>>712866035
Why not?

>>712867409
How? It seems like you answered it correctly to me

>>712866521
You’re just talking about that Noah movie

>>712866154
Meh sounds too much like Link's Awakening

>>712867582
I am actually paraphrasing what the catholic bible actually says. The phrase that “god regretted making man in the first place” really sticks with me considering the whole “perfect and omnipotent” thing.

I never watched the noah movie. I know my mom did ages ago and I vaguely recall they turn the watchers into like ents or something and claim fucking azazel is a good guy.

>>712867551
I assumed both would be teleporting individually and you only said Ness would be the one with the ability like in the game.

>>712867682
I never actually played that game so that rings as a funny coincidence to me.
But that now does get me curious about Link's Awakening.

>>712827695
>fireproof
>cant withstand a plasma cutter direct blasting it for ten years
>bullet proof
>cant withstand trillions of 20mm rounds
You’re retarded and you should kill yourself

>>712866154
its interesting but yeah it does sound like LA. maybe itoi had it in mind though.

Why don't you just put the whole world in an Absolutely Safe Capsule, Dr. Andonuts?

>>712865129
>>712865196
Moments where "the magic dies" like this stick out to me because it's presented with melancholy but it's not something portrayed as entirely tragic.
Personally speaking, it evokes the same kinds of feelings of growing up.

a sexy 18-19yo seducing Porky and and teaching him about sex (and fucking his brains out) would unironically have fixed him and saved the universe

>>712825772 (OP)
I drew a Franky and the rest just flowed out...
Sketch for a nice thread.

>>712867887
play it!

>>712848108
No, it was more like I felt a deep sense of cold. Particularly on the last part of the battle where the music gets all scratchy.

threads like this are why i still come here

never realized how big of a theme denial and how destructive it is was in this game until i read this thread. even flint neglects whats left of his family through denial.

>>712871303
Lucas is pretty much left with memories of his mother and his dog. The island hallucination having the guy seemingly resent his own brother too was something insane to see too.

>>712868712
based.
i decided to draw something too because of you.
should i continue with it?

>>712834685
It is. By Leder. But that anon is wrong. Porky didn't end the other timelines; he was shut out of them because the people there were capable of banhammering him from them.
But it's still true that Nowhere Islands was the last place in existence he could go to, and that's where he met his final fate.

>>712872740
>should I continue
Always yes

>>712852035
Porky was probably beaten too much. He saw the world through abuse and used abuse to interact with it.

>>712837039
why do you say that

>>712863183
Robots. He used robots and props.

>>712874125
because i thought it was the most effective musical motif i've ever heard. its simple but it gets it so exactly right.

>>712871451
unlike the other characters you never get to see Lucas talk post the timeskip. it's telling that the mushrooms and him blowing up the world are the two closest glimpses of his headspace.

>>712875749
one of the pigmasks says he sounds cheery one of the times he's mistaken for claus

"Fucking Eaglelandians and their slop"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFCcgpjTksg
>tfw there's no MSU-1 equivalent for GBA emulators

>>712876086
it's kinda fucked up that it's implied Porky went back to Eagleland to abduct its people and bring them to the islands

>>712876162
It's not "implied", it just straight up happens. And not just Eagleland considering Dr. Andonuts is one of them.
He probably would've captured members of the Earthbound party if he could, but he knew they'd kick their ass. I always thought it was interesting how much he seems to somewhat respect them though, considering the New Pork City movie theater and the fact there's a store that sells caps and bats (Ness) and pans and ribbons (Paula)

>>712872740
Yes

>>712825772 (OP)
Fuck em
He had it comin

Feels surreal that both Toby and Omocat have art in official Mother fanbooks

>>712876086
jeff is from foggyland tho

>>712841808

true dat

>>712847061
A 28-year-old zoomer?

>>712864524
I don't think Carmack was all that wrong, seeing he made that comment back in like 1991.

>>712825772 (OP)
Because Porky is sealed inside the Absolutely Safe Capsule, the battle is, by definition, over. THIS. IS. MOTHER. 3!

>>712848108
not quite actually (was like 12 when I played it).

I do remember getting angry at the moment where claus hits Clint and then the text "clint is not moving" appears and also thinking "the end?" part was heartwarming (I still do)

Kinda wish I didnt play the game as a kid, because there is a lot of stuff I didnt fully apreciate. (I did actually cry when I was rewatching the ending on youtube years later)

what a story man

>>712877884
*Flint

didnt wanna check

>>712877884
i think you can replay the games every decade and get something new out of them

>>712854698
>self inserts and completely ruins the mood of the song
I want that woman legs broken
>>712876791
>hitler and satan have art in official mother fanbooks
This is my 9/11
>>712878069
I guess you are right, but man I would pay money to errase mother 3/earthbound from my memory (have to play mother 1)

>>712876086
>Eaglelandians
In-universe /pol/ must be insane in the Mother universe. You just know that "the Jews orchestrated the 90s Giygas attack" would be a pretty popular theory.

>>712878452
Giegue is hitler and humans are jews

>>712847706
>it's hellish to realize that the internet of the 90s and early 00s was Magicant for me and a ton of other people
It's wild how quickly it vanished.
>get online in 1998-1999
>get heavy into piracy thanks to Napster
>stuck on dial-up, so not doing torrents, mostly download networks like Kazaa and shit
>discover Direct Connect hubs
>found a hub with a lot of cool people, would spend all my time there when I wasn't doing anything else
>roughly 300 people on the server sharing files, about 60 people were actually participating in chat
>even if you couldn't find what you wanted, lotta people were happy to dig around their archives for you
>great community with a wide range of interests
>played Brood War and Diablo 2 over Hamachi, Magic the Gathering using Cockatrice(back when it was the only real option), MMO's like R.O.S.E. and RO, and even did a co-op run through System Shock 2 with one guy
>got linked to 4chan for the first time on that hub, to /b/ right in the middle of the Jax the Bat(copyright Jax the Bat) hack in 2004
>was my online home from 2002-2005
>join military, away from internet for nearly a year
>get back on, literally three people of the old community are left, server is 17 people
>"everyone just does torrents now"

>>712859740
OneShot is another one

>>712846312
you shouldn't
not playing the games in release order is secondary behavior
man up and play them properly