Thread 712854372

what is the better game?

>>712854372 (OP)
Demon's souls

>the best game ever made
vs.
>zanzibart rollslop

I hope you are baiting

>>712854372 (OP)
Both are great bronybro

it's the same game

Never thought to compare them but I'd give it to OOT by a slim margin
Assuming the person playing has a mind for immersing themselves in both worlds

>>712854372 (OP)
Dark Souls and it's not even close.

>>712854372 (OP)
Dark Souls

>>712854372 (OP)
left soulslop
right ocarina clone

dark soul is a product, oot is a craft.

>>712855483
oot is slop, always has been. half-baked knockoff of mml and mnsg.

>>712855529
>snoys still malding decades after
lmao

>>712854372 (OP)
>making me choose between my 2 favorites
They are both pieces of art that had widespread influence on video games.

>>712854372 (OP)
OoT

>>712855529
>mml and mnsg
literally who

>>712855619
>ootsnoy still butthurt over botw success
kek

>>712855529
(You)

>>712854372 (OP)
Ocarina of Time is THE greatest video game of all time.

DaS is just a reskinned DeS.

>>712855820
>Ocarina of Time is THE greatest video game of all time.
Nobody seriously believes this.

>>712854372 (OP)
Dark souls, majora mask is better than OoT but dark souls was just something special man, I never got the hype for any zelda games desu

>>712856131
>dark souls was just something special man, I never got the hype for any zelda games
Dark Souls would not exist without Ocarina of Time

>>712856241
*ico and sotc
oot really didn't matter much or influence anything.

>>712855918
Literally EVERYONE but (You) *know* this, zoomie tranny.

>>712856361
>but 20 bloggers said
Nobody asked.

>>712856297
>oot really didn't matter much or influence anything.
OoT had influence on EVERYTHING.

>>712856131
Dark Souls was literally nothing special by 2011.
It was literally just a multiplat rehash of Demon's Souls, which's main appeal a couple years earlier was the fact that it was a symbolic middle finger to the rampart "casual gaming" boom that had just started, essentially deeming traditional "hardcore" games as a dead, obsolete trend for big name publishers.

>>712856494
Blogging did not even exist when OoT won its GOTY awards and was reviewed and enjoyed by millions of people.

>>712856580
>OoT had influence
Lol. It really didn't matter at all. You could delete it from existence and nothing would really change.

>>712856297
what do you get out of being a terminal contrarian? is your life that fucking boring?

>>712854564
Can't believe no one's called how correct this is. fpbp

>>712856720
What do you have against facts? Who are you trying to convince? Yourself?

>>712855619
OoT is as about as close as you get to current moviegame shit for 5th-gen consoles

>>712856297
lol

>>712856685
Weird and incorrect take, made by an underaged iPhone toddler who has never worked within the industry.

You might just as well claim that DOOM didn't influence first-person shooters.

>>712856805
pic unrelated

>>712856912
Congratulations, Anon. You've made one of the silliest posts of the year thus far, and clearly weren't even alive during the interactive CD game era.

>>712854372 (OP)
Both are overrated dog shit.

>>712854372 (OP)
I like Dark Souls more, but I like both games a lot.

Zelda for me but Souls is nice too.

>>712854372 (OP)
Link's Awakening

>>712854372 (OP)
Both are wildly overrated, but Dark Souls is still a good game. OoT was never good, even in 1998. N64babies pretending to be real oldfags or pretending that it invented 3D games won't change that.

TotK is better than both

Both are great games that do different things well.

>>712857018
He's objectively correct. It's the game that started casualization and automated "cinematic" shit where games play themselves. Nintendo even outright said that.

What's the game on the right? The picture is cut off

>>712856241
Even still, I didn't like it as much as something like super mario 64 or some of the other zelda stuff, it just didn't click for me
>>712856580
>Dark Souls was literally nothing special by 2011.
That just wasn't true, for me at least playing it for the first time back then was magical, I still wasn't online at the time or anything so when I got it randomly at a random shop I had no idea what to expect, trying to finish it without a guide as a kid was something special

>>712857414
Dark Sounds. It's a rhythm game (see the dancing MC on the cover).

>>712857468
>I didn't like it as much as something like super mario 64 or some of the other zelda stuff
What Zelda game is your favorite? I have a soft spot for Twilight Princess

>>712857749
Mostly the older pixel ones, the first one and link's awakening with the latter being my fav

>>712854372 (OP)
>the basic kiddie slop of 26 years ago
>the basic kiddie slop of 14 years ago
They're at the same level.

>>712858240
Link's Awakening is my favorite 2D game too. The remake on switch was pretty fun, but those pixel graphics on the gameboy games are pure soul

>>712854372 (OP)
Elden ring BTFO's both of these kusogays

>>712854372 (OP)
I didn't really care for Dark Souls. Honestly Elden Ring was the only Souls game that actually had me looking forward to playing it, though I've yet to play BB and finish DS3.
I'm a Zelda newfag too and have only played ALttP (soon playing LA) but I hope OoT is a better time than DS1.

>>712857328
>It's the game that started casualization and automated "cinematic" shit where games play themselves
It did not. Simple as that.
Such trash was literally first found on other systems, and the format (You) are referring to literally only started popping out on PS2, with PS3 era being the peak of the movie-game cancer.

Games like Ocarina Of Time, Metal Gear Solid and Resident Evil are 100% interactive video games, that also incorporate the oldschool "cinematic" feel, back when the term was still used in a positive note, referring to the directing, writing, overall atmosphere of the game.

>>712857468
>That just wasn't true, for me at least playing it for the first time back then was magical
Just because it was your "babby's first X" does not make it any special.
I was there years prior, sending literal e-mails to Sony's HQ, begging them to release DeS in the West. I still got their reply in my mailbox's archive, a most "Just hold on bro! ;)" type of answer a corpo could send.

>trying to finish it without a guide as a kid was something special
That was EVERY game for me and my peers in the 1980s and 1990s; back when no one had an internet access.

>>712858990
>It did not. Simple as that.
It did. Simple as that. Nintendo even explicitly said they were trying to do that.
>and the format (You) are referring to literally only started popping out on PS2, with PS3 era being the peak of the movie-game cancer.
OoT literally started the trend of AAA games treating the player like an idiot and automating actions.
>back when the term was still used in a positive note, referring to the directing, writing, overall atmosphere of the game.
Sorry tendie, but you're not going to redefine the word and make it sound like they were talking about gameplay when it was the same shit games get blasted for now.

>>712858990
>That was EVERY game for me and my peers in the 1980s and 1990s; back when no one had an internet access.
I guess but not every game does it worldbuilding as well as dark souls, I feel like it's mostly lost on people just how good dark souls is without a guide for anything and let be honest; demon souls is nowhere near as good as dark souls as much as people want to act like it is

oot is the most overrated game of all time and led to normalfaggots infiltrating the gaming culture
ds1 is the worst entry of its trilogy and inadvertently created the rollslop genre which stifled modern gaming creativity
i'm going to have to go with neither op

>>712860615
incel

>>712854372 (OP)
DS1

>>712854372 (OP)
Dark Souls literally would not exist without OoT.

>>712854372 (OP)
Left just has too much cutscenes.

>>712861302
Tires wouldn’t exist without stone wheels, doesn’t mean you’re going to drive around on stone wheels.

one of them is a thinly veiled mech combat simulator with a fantasy knights skin made by a company known for mech combat simulators.

the other is about controlling a guy with a sword and shield who can easily be controlled by a controller that had neither enough buttons nor correct hand placement design.

one of the games is so playable that it is enjoyable.
the other of the games is so unplayable that it cucked people into a masochistic self-harm belief that they are subhumans incapable of continuity unless they figure out how to win in a poorly designed bullshit game for retards and faggots.

>>712861302
Wrong. Dark Souls wouldn't exist with Ico and SotC. Your tendie headcanon does not trump Miyazaki's actual words.

>>712861878
see
>>712856919
>>712856950

Both are great. Miyamoto and Aonuma said Dark Souls is a great game.

>>712861920
Yes I've read that full interview, which is why I know the interviewer brought up OoT (not Miyazaki) and after Miyazaki was done being polite, he explicitly said that Dark Souls and OoT are nothing alike, do not share design principles, and are not even in the same genre of game.

OoT at the time
Dark Souls in general

>>712862054
trying too hard

Zoomers who haven't played Ocarina of Time always say it's overrated without understanding why it's so acclaimed in the first place

>>712861302
>>712862231
Link wouldn't exist without Peter Pan. Guess Link is shit compared to CHAD Pan

>>712862440
TRVTH NVKE

>>712862231
Reading what he actually said and not trying to take lip service out of context while ignoring his direct comments comparing the games isn't trying too hard. Trying too hard is leaving out the most important part of the interview to make it seem like he was saying something that he wasn't.

>>712862258
I'm 34 and played it at launch. It was always shit. I just also played PS1 and PC games at the time, so I don't pretend it invented or revolutionized or improved 3D games.

>>712854372 (OP)
Dark Souls is the better game

>>712862731
old man lmao

>>712854372 (OP)
DS1 up to Ornstein is the best game in history.

>>712854372 (OP)
Dark Souls and I don't even have to think about it despite thinking OOT is one of the greatest games ever made. Problem is Dark Souls is THE GOAT.

>>712862731
>I'm 34 and played it at launch
So you were barely old enough to even remember. Even if you could, you are at the age where you are easily amused and OoT was not going to be considered shit to you at the time.

>>712862787
are the FUTURE

>>712862909
Based. What do you think of Elden Ring?

>>712854372 (OP)
Why do people keep trying to force this "rivalry"? It's two completely different things

>>712863035
>So you were barely old enough to even remember
Are you completely fucking retarded? I remember playing Doom on my family PC and SMB on my uncle's NES when I was 4. OoT came out when I was 8, and I'd already owned 3 different consoles and played hundreds of games on console and PC by that point. Were you one of the slow kids?
>OoT was not going to be considered shit to you at the time.
I was because I'd played other, much better games and found OoT boring and simple. I'm sorry if you were a dumb kid, but don't project that onto other people. If your entire childhood was only Nintendo games and the N64 formed your first core game memories, then maybe I can see how you'd have been entertained by it.

>>712856665
It was actually the hight of blogging. Blogging mostly died shortly after when phones hit.

>>712863140
Haven't gotten around to playing it yet actually. Not in depth at least. I played it a bit but it seems pretty good from what I played. Seems very huge though due to the open world.

Obviously I love them both.
I'd have to say that in the same way that Mario 64 is the gold standard for 3D platforming, OoT is the same.

Dark Souls is what I play when I want to challenge myself and I'm in the mood for [insert all the things that the Souls series introduced here].

Zelda OoT, while it's not as interesting gameplay-wise (There's no builds, those experienced playing games will probably never game over, bosses have one weakness, Egoraptor had a point about waiting), it's challenging enough to keep me engaged. I also have time to absorb the very interesting world with multiple races.

I wouldn't suggest Dark Souls put catchy music in its locations since that would ruin it, but it sure is part of why I actually like BEING in certain areas of Zelda games.

Something that I really don't like in Breath of the Wild, and Elden Ring for that matter is that all the locations are incredibly boring and I know that nothing interesting is going to happen in any of them. I like NPCs that have funny/interesting things to say, and sometimes I'd like it explained clearly instead of the Zanzibart nonsense FromSoft NPCs typically say. I no longer am interested in being in a post-apocalyptic fantasy world with nothing but insane people. It's gotten old.

Meanwhile, in OoT, you have locations that transform from one to another, and these cartoon characters have to tell you about how they were driven out of their homes by Ganondorf, and the first thing you see is the destruction. The first impression that will give you is nuts.

In Dark Souls, everything is so nihilistic, and that's ok if I'd like to be a character making sense of their purpose in an essentially meaningless dying world, but sometimes, I just wanna be the hero, and I think that, especially when I was a kid, was a very valuable feeling to me.

I'll probably replay them both a lot before I die, and I'll probably flip my perspective a few times too.

>>712855918
wendys does

>>712854372 (OP)
OoT somehow aged better. It still plays extremely well. Dark Souls is too clunky now.

>>712854372 (OP)
Its largely going to come down to personal taste, for me it's probably DS1 since I've replayed it vanilla way more. Usually if I go back to OOT/MM its with a rando, since the base games have much less freedom in how you complete them.
Compare that to DS1, where you can do anything before sens funhouse in any order you want.

>>712856950
That’s simply japan’s retarded culture when you have to bow and scrape and act like a humble slave or salarymen boomers older than you make your life hell. He wouldn’t be saying that making games outside the country.
He’s probably half afraid of nintendo suing him for making a game with a sword and a shield.

Site engagement farming bot thread.
Everyone within is retarded.

>>712854372 (OP)
You know, they're pretty similar in that both of these games fall off after their halfway point (or around that part in OoT's case).
Only OoT gets a bit worse after the time skip, and Dark Souls goes to absolute shit after the Lordvessel.
So for my money, it's OoT.

>>712854372 (OP)
>/v/ is full of PCpoors
>/v/ shills Dark Souls 1 because it’s babby’s first From game
Of course. PC players have terrible taste, their opinion means nothing. I trust ponies more than PC fags.

>>712864613
PC players can just play OOT natively these days, for free.

I really do like Puzzles and enemies that feel like puzzles. Dark Souls is overall far more combat focused. It's puzzles are typically "Fight through a gauntlet to flip a switch" or "Is this jump is safe?". Since we're already at a higher difficulty floor for combat in games like Elden Ring, I would love to see parts of the dungeons have some moderately difficult contraptions to sort out. The only really good puzzle in Elden Ring I can think of off the top of my head is figuring out how to kill the Chariot traps in certain Dungeons, and the difficulty in that wasn't really about finding a solution but about getting the timing right so you don't die.

Also, a big difference is that over the course of a Zelda game, I really look forward to having "Saved the World" as it's full of these characters I've come to like. In Dark Souls the world is kind of shit, the people I like all died, and all my remaining friends are kind of assholes, so you end up taking things like Age of Darkness or Frenzied Flame because it's probably for the best that we did a hard reset at this point.

>>712864604
But the forest temple is the best dungeon in the game.

>>712861878
>>712861302
These arent Shadow tower

>>712865168
Yeah, it had peak OoT gameplay.

If youre capable of actually reading then this >>712864447 is the answer. If youre not capable of reading then
>>712864760
>>712864878
>>712864965
These alone are the answer.
And if you're STILL too stupid to read. Then
This
>This is a bad shortcut because first of all i DIDNT FEEL IT. And second of all, more logically, its meaningless. 1. The shortcut is railroaded, its literally the only "new" way forward (youll see why this matters when i bring up the best game of all time) 2. The "shortcut" is one dimensional, its literally never used again. Its superfluous. It has no purpose, theres technically not a single reason you couldnt just walk all the way back you came to get back to the beginning.
Is your shitty spoonfed answer you stupid dumbfuck fucking shallow retard that cannot engage in actual videogame discussion and probably directly contribute to the garbage that fills this board.

>>712854372 (OP)
It depends on what you think both games are trying to be. Otherwise it's purely subjective. This goes for all game comparisons which go outside a clear genre or series, by the way

>>712865805
Bro is SEETHING no one gives a fuck about his essay.

>>712864220
Based koopa relaxer

>>712854372 (OP)
Ocarina Of Time and it's not even close

>>712854372 (OP)
zelda 2 was the original souls game

>>712865491
Anytime navi has to give a dumbass hint like this it's almost certainly because of playtesters.

>>712854372 (OP)
where are all the romhacks that turn OoT into dark souls? it wouldn't be too hard, you would just need some actual level designers + to fuck with enemy damage and health modifiers to make the game more challenging, maybe implement a basic parry by tapping shield at the right time to stun an enemy.

>>712866608
>Valve made one part dumb so any bad parts of OoT don't count
OoT was purposefully made to be at a difficulty level that small children would find easy. Miyamoto's young daughter had no trouble breezing through the puzzles.

>>712866608
Did games as old as OoT even have playtesters? I know for a fact that a game like Tomb Raider didnt, especially TR3 (also came out in 1998) with how many filtering mechanics it has, so I wouldnt think OoT did.

>>712866769
Zelda indigo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eb_oHDx37s

>>712867015
Atari was hiring playtesters all the way back in the 70s. Nintendo is pretty private about their behind the scenes stuff, so we will never know for sure what their process looked like.

>>712867073
>WIP
cool I'll play it when it's done

>>712867587
There are two demos for it out, but yeah I am waiting. The dev makes some really good decomp hack tutorials too, but he unlisted them a while ago for some reason.

>>712866913
>small children
Small Japanese children who are a good deal more intelligent and better educated than 99% of the American audience

>>712854372 (OP)
Ocarina of Time was a success of its time, but overall Dark Souls is definitely the better game.

>>712868041
>Trial and error boss fights
>Actual puzzles

Meh. Simple as they may be figuring something out organically is typically better than just fighting until your reflexes to the boss' animation/sound cues become correct. Or until you game the system with some BS build.

>>712867958
I wondered if you'd be retarded enough to say something that dumb in defense of the game, but then I thought "No, not even a deluded tendie would say that." But here we are.

>>712868241
DS1 bosses aren't really trail and error, most of them are just gear checks. O&S are the best example since there is a lightning blacksmith 10 feet from the boss room, and one of them is super weak to lightning.
It's really not until the later games that bosses start pulling out a bunch of crazy anime bullshit. Compare gwyn to any other final boss in the series to see what I mean.

>>712861302
So logically Dark Souls must have done it better since it spawned a genre and basically killed beat em ups

>>712854372 (OP)
They're too different to compare. Tetris and Deus Ex are great but I couldn't possibly say which is better.

>>712862440
Link in off itself is not inspired by Peter Pan. Only the Hero of Time is. And the whole "group of children who never grow up" thing came much later in development.

>>712854372 (OP)
Dark Souls is the evolution of OoT that Nintendo was too pussy to do

>>712869881
I don't see the similarities. Dark Souls has much better and more coherent world design that is deliberately interconnected and far better combat and boss design.

Both are good
/v/ is full of contrarian faggots
fuck you niggers

>>712869881
I've always felt this, do you ever imagine what OoT would be like if it stayed faithful to Zelda 1? The OoT we have is already the most aesthetically pleasing game but it could have been transcendent

>>712869518
Eh, they're both 3D action adventures that lean heavy on atmosphere and run down ruins/temples. The big difference is DS1 is an rpg, while zelda has a bigger focus on puzzle solving.
That being said I kind of 'feel' the same way sitting at firelink as I do inside a grotto, if that makes sense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg626me8mxA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpfJQ_0_4qs

>>712869881
They're nothing alike at all and people who pretend they are are mentally ill.

>>712854564
Fippy bippy
OoT is slop
DaS is unpolished
DeS is king

>>712870121
>What OoT would be like if it stayed faithful to Zelda 1?
OoT never tried to be faithful to Zelda 1. It drank the soul out of LttP and Zelda 2 though.
If we go by the gigaleak, it might have began as a sequel/remake to Zelda 2 on the SNES (where do you think enemies like Iron Knuckles or Volvagia came from?). The project (seemingly) later moved over to the N64, initially known as Zelda 64, before evolving into its own unique game.
In summary: They took the overall combat feeling from Zelda 2 and tried adapting it into 3D. They took the dungeon puzzles from LA and attempted that in a 3D dungeon. They took the overworld and dark world of LttP and tried doing something similar in a 3D enviroment.
Without Zelda 2, LttP and LA you don't have OoT.

>>712855651
>that had widespread influence on video games

unfortunely