Thread 712856028

Do Pokemon fans REALLY?

>>712856028 (OP)
literally me

>>712856028 (OP)
No. When I played pokemon as a child I always ensured all my pokemon were equally leveled. If a pokemon got like 3 lvls ahead I stopped using that pokemon until the rest of the team caught up.

It's not their fault. These retards at GF still making HMs a thing when it could of been a tool for the player not a Pokemon move.

>>712856028 (OP)
Only when I'm playing HGSS because that game never gives you any good pokemon.

im playing platinum for the first time and my team is so far my overlevelled starter, a rapidash and a gardevoir. also bidoof hm slave

>>712856028 (OP)
I don't like any grass starter

>>712856028 (OP)
It's hilarious to me when Pokè piggies talk about the games "strategically deep" gameplay and this is legitimately the only viable, peak strategy in every installment.

>>712856028 (OP)
Yeep.

>>712856367
Now use this same strategy in the PWT and Battle Towers retard.

for me it's
>immediately box starter
>replace it with some useless early route shitmon like Poochyena
>use cheats to gradually get all the mons i want but aren't available till postgame or unless you trade
>stop playing halfway through
>go to porn site and start fapping to cute pokegirls

>>712856313
Bait post.

>>712856028 (OP)
No, all exp is shared now, and HMs no longer exist. You are like 3 generations behind with that image

>>712856649
>Playing past Gen 6
What are you? Underaged?

>>712856028 (OP)
>bad game design is the players fault

>>712857036
It's the players fault the franchise continues to exist and get away with it because the player keeps buying each new installment. Yes, it is quite literally the players fault.

>>712856028 (OP)
How many of the games is this actually viable in? First time I played a pokemon game I did this and got softlocked and then never did it again.

>>712857036
>It's bad game design....BECAUSE I SAY IT IS OKAY

>>712857647
>Got soft locked
That's impossible. There is no point in any of the Pokemon games where you are unable to leave and go grind to get more Pokemon

>>712857968
its just a funny way to say he dropped the game

>>712856028 (OP)
To be fair, whenever they added that XP share, players lost their minds saying how it made leveling too easy.

>>712856028 (OP)
>problem: the best way to play the game is to overlevel the starter
>solution: XP share, which doesnt solve the problem of the best solution just being to steamroll with your starter, given that shitmons litter the start of the game and the pokemon you actually want will be underleveled regardless by the time you get to them (and because of XP share, trying to grind them will also make your starter even stronger unless you box it)
>problem: HMs are shit enough to be a lost slot, best option is to sacrifice a pokemon or two to contain the HMs
>solution: just remove HMs, drastically worsening world interactivity and making your pokemon feel like battle drones (do the new games even have things like cuteness contests?)
what sucks is that there are relatively simple solutions to the latter. the former is just a problem with the core game itself.

>>712857647
Should be theoretically possible for every game, but committing to that amount of level-grinding would be so much bigger of an ask than just using your brain instead.

>>712856367
You forgot the part where you just spam the same one (1) high damage move over and over, for every battle.
Or if you're mega-tryhard just remember the toddler-IQ tier weaknesses and curbstomp everything

>>712857968
It's possible in R/B/Y if you run out of money

>>712857968
it happens

Always kinda thought starters were a lame concept. Just let us loose on route 1 to catch our first pokemon

>>712858785
So instead of Charmander, Bulbasaur or Squirtle you can choose between Pidgey and Ratata

Kinda

>>712858521
>solution: XP share, which doesnt solve the problem of the best solution just being to steamroll with your starter, given that shitmons litter the start of the game

This really isn’t true, you can win with only the starter because it’s fucking Pokemon but it’s more effective to switch for type advantage.

>>712858953
if you're ten levels above the competition then the type advantage stops mattering

>>712856028 (OP)
Yes I did this until Pokemon XY

>>712856208
did you get tested

>>712856028 (OP)
kek literally me.

>>712856367
Pokemon's combat unironically has a lot of depth in PVP. Shame the games never really do much with it.

>>712856649
>and HMs no longer exist
What

>>712858521
>worsening world interactivity
meme
HMs were stupid

>>712856367
>the only viable
Disingenuous retard. It's just one of the fastest.

>>712856028 (OP)
>he doesn't train all his non-slaves

>>712858763
>>>Pig nigger AI program can't beat a game that literal six year olds can beat even after MONTHS of trying and dozens upon dozens of resets

Why are we scared/worried about this shit again?

>>712856367
>he doesn't know

>>712859245
you just get, like, a lapras that you can't use in battle that you surf with, or a tauros that moves boulders for you with Strength

>>712859245
You heard me nigger

>>712859197
No. It has complexity, not depth.

>>712859619
The difference being?

>>712859619
Please read your own retarded post out loud.

>>712859428
people are worried because idiot corpos are using AI that can't beat a children's game to make high level decisions for them just because it can quickly churn out passable prose

>>712859619
kek

>>712859197
Indigo Disk was based for this, but it does highlight just how different an NPC and a real human are to play against.

>>712859660
depth implies you can dig and discover, complex just means there's a lot of stuff, but it is a solved game when you look past the Yes/No randomization for things like crits and misses.

You could easily make a bot iterate through every pokemon, move they have, effective EV/IV, and find the mathematically best team. It's complex, but there isn't much depth to it.

I love making themed teams. This is the rain team I just beat Hoenn with in pokemmo. All my pokemon were arounf 10 levels below the elite 4's pokemon so it was fun and felt more strategic than just going first and 1 shotting the enemy every turn. I plan to make a team of all frog pokemon and a team of all mice/rodent pokemon too for fun to beat the other regions.

>>712859718
Peak dunning kruger. Don't post again and go kill yourself, schmuck.

>>712859660
>please spoonfeed me!
Next you'll ask what the difference between up and down is.

No wonder you dumbasses pissed the sheets into your 20s and got stuck playing a children's game "competitively"

>>712858521
What if HM moves just weren't trash? Not meta but decent enough.
Contests were cool, they should come back. I liked getting ribbons for my guys

>>712859919
Even if you had a supercomputer design the most mathematically optimal team for you, you would not be able to win against a skilled player because you would be outplayed.

>>712860153
Surf and waterfall are good

>>712859919
>mathematically best team
No such thing exists even in the most one sided formats, match up accountability is literally one key factor for team building
>>712859991
>can't defend his point
KEK so you were trying to talk about a game you don't play, quiet unplayer.

>>712859943
Nice. I usually just go for mono type runs.

>>712860153
The other issue with HMs is that it's also going to dictate some of your team's types. Surf/Waterfall and Fly are good but basically demand that you're going to need a water and flying type on your team since they're usually the only Pokemon that can learn them.

>>712860153
I think just making it so deleting the move doesn't get rid of the pokemon's ability to use it in the overworld would be good enough.
>>712860392
Is it weird that I like that limitation. It makes Pokemon feel a bit more realistic in a way.

>>712859919
what a lot of words to say you don't know what you're talking about.

>>712860738
I don't personally mind it since I think water and flying are just good types to have around for solo play to begin with, but it's certainly a "drawback" of the system regardless.

>>712859919
>but it is a solved game
There's a good amount of variance in VGC. Pokemon is more about outplaying your opponent, not just stacking the 6 strongest mons possible.

>>712859919
you don't play comp at all.

>>712860946
>>712860936
>>712860759
>>712860325
>>712860203
>a super computer can't calculate the accuracy of a stone edge
you're right, what was I thinking

>>712861174
showdown is free

All these fucking boomers bitching about mechanics that are not in Pokémon anymore. God damn, it’s not 1997 anymore you faggots, this shit was fixed, at least have a bit of a clue what the games are like now before complaining like a god damn woman

>>712860203
You mean you would have a poor matchup and/or you don't understand your team, but let's assume there's no one-sided matchup and you have working knowledge for a moment.
Pokemon still has very little skill expression. It's genuinely just a game of bluffs. Or, to put it another way: A chess computer will win against any human player. Do you believe Pokemon has a higher skill ceiling than chess, since a player can beat a computer by making intentional misplays to beat mathematically optimal plays?

>>712856208
For me it was my starter at level X and the rest of my team at level X-2

>>712859943
I think I'm retarded, what's the theme of that team?

>>712861536
Rain. Everyone but clefable has an ability the benefits from rain so I had rain up 24/7. Clefable just because clefable rules

>>712859943
same I have a fire team

>>712861330
Yes. Pokémon has a higher skill ceiling. Chess always has a guaranteed optimal move that can be made since you ALWAYS know what your opponent did before you go. It’s why it is a solved game and a chess computer will always play to at least a stalemate no matter what, it cannot lose. Pokémon you and your opponent make moves without full knowledge of what the other is doing. It’s why, unlike chess, competitive Pokémon will never be “solved” by a computer. An unsolvable game naturally has a higher skill ceiling

>>712856028 (OP)
My team is more like
>Starter
>Fly Taxi
>Waifumon
>Pseudo
>Two other starters from different gens that I cheat into the game

>>712856028 (OP)
I played Pokemon Platinum recently and I actually boxed my starter, so no.

>>712860153
personally,
>each game has 5-6 unique HM moves
>for example gen 1's TM set: cut, strength, surf, fly, and flash
>each pokemon has a 5th move slot exclusively for HMs, and HMs can only go in this slot
>BUT, each HM has variant moves, and each type can learn 2-4 different HM moves
>for example fire type pokemon get scorch (cut) and torch (flash), fairy types get fae trick (fly) and flash, while water types get surf and water blast (strength)
>pokemon can learn HMs of its types without question
>some exceptions exist like a bladed fairy type having access to cut

>>712861962
That's a gooner team

Pokeniggers really talking about complexity in their kids game when the only way you the game can be made remotely competitive is by making up 50 million rules and banning pokemon because the best of everything is so obvious a child could figure it out.

>>712862369
>retard thinks Smogon is some official ruleset
Are you done embarrassing yourself faggot?

>>712858521
HMs just shouldn’t have been battle moves but special abilities your Pokemon could do in the world based on type or egg group. So long as you had a water type in your party/other Pokemon who could use surf, you could traverse over water. So long as you had a grass type or a Pokemon with claws you could use cut. Etc. There might still be SOME HM slavery, but it would be drastically reduced. Fly would probably be the only HM slave that still exists that would force players into a corner on getting a flying type. The main problem was those HMs taking up limited move slots. But being able to get special access to areas based on your team comp is neat.

>>712861962
how did you get alakazam

>>712862369
self-reporting lmao

>>712862369
>thinks the Pokémon version of meleefags is actual competitive Pokémon

lol

>>712858521
HMs don't need to exist, you should just be able to use a wide variety of moves to solve the obstacle you're facing.
>x-scissor, leaf blade, aerial ace etc can cut trees
>heavy slam, brick break, etc can push boulders
>iron tail, crush claw, etc can break rocks
pokemon that are of sufficient size and possess the ability to swim/fly should just be able to passively do it, not requiting a special move to do so

>>712856028 (OP)
usually I have 3 overleveled, 2 hm slaves and a situational slot that changes everytime

>>712862228
I dig it

>>712862228
I feel like you're overthinking it
>HM moves can be deleted from moveslots without losing their field abilities
or
>Pokemon that have learned HM moves can be called in from the box without taking up a party slot
>>712861287
Pokeride and PLA's system was kino I just wish it was with your own mons. Miradon was cool too.

>>712856028 (OP)
Make a better game.

>>712859428
>>712859731
>wuh...? this blind language-prediction program with no learning capabilities can't play bideogane?? b-buh childrens can do dat! ai dumb!
Next you'll be surprised that a lawyer can't fix a car, or that a dog can outsmart you at chase, or that someone with a tape measure can more accurately determine length than an empty-handed man with a college education in mathematics. Hell, you'd probably be surprised that you can't cut a piece of paper with a spoon. AI does what it is trained to do with the tools at its disposal, the fact that it can be nigger-rigged to clumsily play a game without proper tools is impressive when this thing is essentially just a smut-generator and customer support agent.

>>712856028 (OP)
The real weirdos are the ones that replace their starter completely

>>712856028 (OP)
With Pokemon Home making save transfers so easy, you now have no reason not to have all 3 starters.

>>712858521
>>problem: the best way to play the game is to overlevel the starter
[citation needed]

>>712862369
>He actually think Smogon is in any way official

>>712859570
Now you have a transforming motorcycle pokemon AND you can use it in battle.

>>712861962
>Ditched starter
>Used Roserade and fucking Golduck

>>712859919
>You could easily make a bot iterate through every pokemon, move they have, effective EV/IV, and find the mathematically best team.
https://www.chessnextmove.com/
>It's complex, but there isn't much depth to it.
I can't believe a dumb motherfucker like you has me defending pokeslop.

>>712867479
>Subscription service
Ew

>>712856028 (OP)
I did an Emerald play though and this was my E4 team.

>>712868513
So did you keep you dick?

>>712856028 (OP)
>he doesn't beat each game with his 6 wives

>>712869440
im playing platinum right now and i named my Gardevoir "Sex Pistol"

Now that HM slaves are gone, I can replace them in my party with two Pokémon that do the exact same thing as my overleveled starter. But now I'll be more likely to have super-effective STAB all the time, even if it's about as effective as spamming Flamethrower and Fire Blast on everything with my level 83 Charizard and requires more time and effort to switch and raise them. They can now replace all HM obstacles with NPCs who block you arbitrarily until they don't and are definitely not obnoxious.

>>712869685
>They can now replace all HM obstacles with NPCs who block you arbitrarily until they don't
kino...

>>712869440
Get that ugly yellow bee thing out of my party

>>712861676
I think there might be something wrong with your 'mons, anon...

>>712856028 (OP)
What else am I using in emerald other than swampert?

>>712862715
Used the Universal Pokemon Randomizer to get rid of trade evolutions. You don't actually have to randomize anything else.

>>712867746
Roserade is sick, fuck you

>>712861962
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY NIGGA MAMOSWINE

>>712856028 (OP)
>Gens 5 and 8
Ditch starter every time, none of them are good
>Gens 2, 6, 7, 9
Might ditch starter based on other Pokemon found, there are 1 or 2 decent starter options at least
>Gens 1, 3, 4
Starter is obligatory, too iconic to pass up

>>712870442
that sounds fun. i never used 'mons like geodude, scyther, ghastly etc becuz i could never get their full evolution. making a team for Soulsilver was suck-ass, let me tell you.

>>712871059
>2
>Ditching starters
Filtered by CHIKORITA

>>712856367
>speedtranny tries to play a game for fun
every time

>>712869129
Herro, SARR. Can I get this post translated to English, please.

>>712869440
>No Lucario

>>712861679
The fuck are you talking about. Chess has a fucking massive ceiling. Pokemon has an extremely low ceiling. Competitive Pokemon basically comes down to meta reads (predicting and countering common meta teams) and the 50/50 calls. Competitive Pokemon at the top level is just RNG.

>>712856208
Lowest level up front at all times, switch as needed.

>>712856367
>the only viable strategy
>for Pokemon
>only strategy
>Pokemon
Nigga you just dumb

>>712856028 (OP)
I distinctly remember my first silver team being exactly like that.
But not really any other gen, not even the first.

>>712868385
There's only a subscription if you're an idiot or an extremely lazy fuck since you have a full usable box even without spending a cent.

>>712869440
Feels so good not being mentally ill like this.
Not only a subhuman animal fucker, but also likes poly shit.

>>712873082
You’re not welcome here

gee its almost as if the hm system was poorly designed and gen 4 exacerbated it horribly

>>712873357
You're not welcome anywhere.
Polyshit is outlawed in over 95% of the world.
beastiality is the same.
All the porn boards on 4chan are dead.
Your deranged sexual obsessions aren't welcome anywhere, which is why you try to force yourself into threads on other boards.

>>712859919
I'd love to hear what other opinions you have on things you know nothing about.

>>712871976
Chess is solved. The best chess player is a computer since the optimal play is known at all times. The skill chess requires is merely memorization. The one who has memorized how to win from more board states is more likely to win.

Poker is also more skillful than chess. Competitive Pokémon is a lot more like poker than chess. Anything is easy if you always know for a fact what your opponent’s move was before you go. I got to grandmaster(online only)

>>712864240
>too stupid to articulate why I am wrong

>>712861330
Poker bots/solvers are actually a lot rarer and harder to program than chess bots precisely because of uncertainty. A Pokemon solver/AI would fucking chug running all the possible calculations and reads every turn.

>>712873598
>>712873613
We should add gacha mechanics to chess so it's more interesting.

Something like every turn you get a chance to roll for 1 extra piece to add to your board, and it can be anything from a pawn to a queen.

>>712873525
powerful post from a facebook GOD saving 4channel from the evil degenerate freaks just like ahmed saved europe from whitey

>>712873810
Luck fishing is a strategy that some people go for. For example I never use any moves without a base 100% hit chance because I am not a fan of variance. Pokémon tournaments have far more rounds in the Swiss portion of their tournaments compared to chess, so the luck curve tends to flatten and make those that rely on luck instead of skill not even make it to the bracket portion of the tournament

>>712856028 (OP)
Nah
My starter and pseudo-legendary were only 4-5 levels above the others, the rest had the same level. Never use legendaries and the only HMs I left were surf and fly, the rest were deleted before the league

>>712873525
Hi, normalfag. Bye, normalfag.

>>712861676
Damn is goodra in infinite fusion now? Might be time to play again. Pic related was my last team. Roserade Hydreigon was probably my favorite cause it's poison/dark with levitate so it has no weaknesses really.

>>712874134
>>712874503
>n- no!! i sware im popular here!! it's just a coincidence all the porn boards are the most dead boards on the site!! 4- 4chan is my safe space!!

>>712873525
Go back to xitter

>>712873810
You shitpost but a way to respawn pawns would be kino.

>>712856367
Its optimal but calling it the only viable strategy outs you as a giant retard

>>712856923
All of the good romhacks have XP share

>>712874658
Why did you reply to that post three times all by yourself.

>>712874651
another BASED post from a 2024 newGOD and zionald's strongest goysoldier

>>712875915
It's funny how hard you're raging, and how you're a perfect example of a porn addict having brain damage.

>>712875176
Schizo too huh

>>712876351
>n- nooo!!! i sweare!!! 4chan is my personal army!!! being a mentally ill animal fucker is totally normal!!!

>>712876839
Yeah you're really showing everyone how you're not mentally ill anon

>>712877823
Why are you so obsessed with trying to get "the last word"? Why won't you address how being a mentally ill brain damaged porn addict isn't normal? Why won't you address how you're crying about not getting a safe space to space about your fetishes?

>>712878053
You need to go offline kid

>>712879005
Haha, see. You literally can't stop.

I'm serious man, go offline for your health. It's not healthy

>>712879331
The pure irony of a brain damage porn addict trying to accuse other people of not being healthy.

>>712856028 (OP)
I throw away my starter after i catch my first mon.
Then I box all mons and only use new caught mons after each gym.

I don't even reply to you and you still scour the threads like cmon man, get some help

i box my starter then fuck the first pidgy i see

>>712880120
you're an ash ketchum tier psychopath

>>712880214
It's funny how you try to pretend you fit in here, when you're actually just a redditor reject who thinks "(you)s" mean something.
You literally can't stop trying to get "the last word" in spite of the fact you refuse to address anything said to you.

>>712881007
(You)

>>712881007
It's really sad how you are

>>712881117
>>712881227
Thanks for showing everyone how mentally ill brain damaged porn addicts are.

>>712881327
you're a porn addict

>>712881354
Don't reply to him man, just let him have his "win" of being all alone

>>712881354
>>712881509
Real talk. Don't you feel pathetic just going into random threads and spamming about your fetishes totally unprompted?

>>712859660
>>712859718
>>712859774
Let me guess, ESL? I'll dumb it down for you.

Pokemon is like Rock Paper Scissors. Fire beats grass, grass beats water, water beats fire, repeat. Add in 20 more types like ice. fairy. ground. fighting etc and you have what is essentially a very complex game of Rock Paper Scissors. It's complicated but not deep. Understand?

>>712881564
you're an unprompted fetish, your whole family is a fetish

>>712881682
You're giga fucking autistic, and it's laughable.
Literal porn brain rot.

I thought this thread was about Pokeymanz.

>>712881748
You have no brain, or soul.
I spit on you.

>>712881805
The brain damaged porn addict got mocked and now he's spamming the thread because he's obsessed with thinking he has to get "the last word" to "win" and validate his life.

>>712881809
It's so funny how you think if you just block out reality and refuse to address anything said to you that it means you "win", so long as you keep spamming.

>>712882006
Do you think this is a game?

>>712881805
same. but some anons are on the internet a bit too much

>>712882063
Yeah, like the brain damaged porn addict >>712882049 who has nothing in his life but spamming and trying to get "the last word" when his fetishes get rightfully shit on.

>>712882142
The last word.

>>712882251
Thanks for making yourself look so bad.

>>712882501
You just don't get it.

>>712882709
Get what? That you're autistic?

>>712856028 (OP)
I did that until I got Slowbro then I only used him

>>712882768
You really don't get it do you?

>>712882940
See >>712882768

>>712882913
Based Slowbro appreciator

>>712882948
retard

>>712883114
Brain damaged porn addict.

He's not even replying to the same guy from before

>pokemon has DEPTH
>look inside
>it's just spamming switches over and over while "methodically" guessing what will happen
trash game

>>712883190
Gamefreak writes their own pokemon smut. You play a game franchise made by porn addicts already. You lost.

>>712883237
shh

Bump

>>712883419
Switching is less prevalent in Doubles, and you describe it like it's a free action and not risky since you're not attacking for a turn.

>>712887405
You need the proper HM to use that

>>712856028 (OP)
Absolutely not. I was perhaps too autistic to not make HM Slaves in first place. It felt cruel.

>>712872112
>mfw you discorer exp share later on
Bricks were shat

>>712871059
>gen 2 are to be ditched
Totodile is just cute. How can you say NO to Feraligatr glutes?

>>712888589
>>712887405
>prof. oak: You can't use it here

>>712866150
That's very impressive Ranjesh but I'm still not impressed by or scared of AI. Please do the needful and fuck off.

>>712856367
Smt slop is still overrated and shit