Thread 712859496

Clair Obscur is going to get more gaming devs laid off. Everyone keeps praising its small dev team. This is a problem.

The narrative must be maintained. Outsourcing GOOD

kojima hasn't made a good game since the mid-90s

>>712860057
>>712860057
Mid-90s is... 45...

>>712859630
big studios like RGG and Ubisoft and those and square enix still outsource to chinks and pajeets and they have 500 members on the team.
what is your point? You can outsource asset making and cutscene production but that wont change that your game dev team is 33 people

The size of the dev team isn't their problem, it's the 40 bucks but they can't really say that without completely shitting themselves that's why they make it about the team size

>>712859496 (OP)
I invented the concept of a small dev team of about 20-40 creators.

>>712859496 (OP)
>in reality outsourced a lot of work to koreans
People need to stop it with the "it was only made with 30 people!" narrative.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's a great game, but 8 koreans made gameplay animations and the quality of those enemy attack animations are a huge part of why people like the game, even if most normalfags don't think about that stuff. Because the enemy attacks are so well telegraphed and feel good to parry. If they were poorly telegraphed the entire game would feel awful to play.
Imagine if they had made the game without that Korean animation team and the animations were all shit.
There are over 400 people in the credits. Sure not all of them actively developed the game, but Sandfall is still only a bit over 30 people.
All the QA and animations stuff is a huge part of why the game is so good.

>>712859630
Look at the credits for any AA+ game, it's 3/4th not the native team, this has been a fact of the industry for almost 10 years now.

>>712859496 (OP)
Kojima made Death Stranding with a core team size of 50 people in less than 3 years.

E33 developers made their game with a core team size of 40 people (don't forget the Korean animation team) in 6 years.

Of course that is Kojima's ideal. He literally did it himself. Kojima is actually above and beyond Sandfall.

>>712859630
Tell me, anon. Which team has outsourced more.

>>712859496 (OP)
Oh no, Dikshit will have to keep his day job as a tech support scammer.

>>712860479
nice one jeet, but the dev team, including the animation teams, is just 33 people

>>712860917
Core team on DS was over 100 people. It also took more like 3.5 years to make, just that full production was less than 3 years, but with pre-production it was longer.

>>712861145
>2 hours 13 minutes
is that a joke

>>712859496 (OP)
>more gaming devs laid off
Holy fuck finally
Cut all the fucking dead weight, all the women, all the DEI diversity hires and go back down to small kino teams like in the late 90s and early 00s.

>>712860917
>literal who studio that nobody has ever heard of making their first game
vs
>hideo fucking kojima
be fucking real, anon

>>712860380
One feeds into the other. It's much easier to have a $40 price tag if you don't have a horribly bloated team and budget.

>>712861610
she would look 100x better if she didn't act like a fucking retard and make these dumbass faces and expressions. i hate modern society so goddamn much

>>712859496 (OP)
I feel like they went too far on the "33" meme.

It's very odd people keep praising the small dev team, when E33 is very much NOT built at all like an AAA game. The game is very obviously built on UE, aggressive blur to hide its flaws, janky animations, and most importantly: is SHORT. Less game to play means less time the deba developed. Hell, most of it probably went to the facial capture, which is the only "quality" part of the game's animations. Even if people keep praising the small devs, it is very much built like its on a budget. People are just more surprised that a shorter, "seemingly high budgeted" game can succeed. That's all.
It's also very ironic that praise is coming from fucking Kojima of all people, considering he's on the record for trying to put in as much stupid, useless shit as possible in his games, and would also rather blow most of the budget on voice actors. I don't know why that post was taken seriously whatsoever; it just shows his damning lack of self awareness.

>>712861773
She makes those faces whilst I fuck her

>>712860917
>Kojima made Death Stranding with a core team size of 50 people in less than 3 years.
Kojima also had HUUUUUUGE help from high up people in Sony and was practically gifted the Decima engine by Guerilla and heavily supported by them.

>>712861610
Some female devs can stay

>>712859496 (OP)
Isn't his team already pretty small? At least by western AAA standards.

>>712861610
>go back down to small kino teams like in the late 90s and early 00s
We still have that, but people cry about indie games not having the absolute most cutting edge AAAA graphics possible.

>>712861815
It's a pretty dang long game if you do the optional content. Sure, not Dragon Quest or Xenoblade tier long for JRPGs, but the main story is just about on par with the Squaresoft greats like FF7 and the like which inspired it.

>>712859496 (OP)
Dev teams should only have devs, not HR or whatever nonsense they think they need.

>>712861924
he wants to keep it under 150

>>712861671
Kojima built a new team, got a new office, used a new engine, and built a new genre. It's very impressive how fast Death Stranding came out. He used a bunch of outsourcers though.

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>>712859496 (OP)
Kojima is the Kubrick of videogames. Kubrick famously only worked with the same small team of people.
>Cruise invited him to the set of EWS and PTA said (I forget where I read this) to Kubrick "Do you always work with such a small crew?" And Kubrick responded something like "How many people do you need?" and PTA felt like a "Hollywood asshole" for asking that.

>>712861610
name?

>>712861957
>It's a pretty dang long game if you do the optional content
Howlongtobeat lists a 100% run as 60 hours. You're just baiting me, right? Because this
>main story is just about on par with the Squaresoft greats like FF7
paired with the above reads as either complete retardation or baig.

>>712859496 (OP)
I bet he'll regret his words and deeds if E33 wins GOTY.

>>712862301
My name is Simon, what's yours?

>>712862323
Original FF7's main story is literally like 30~ hours which is on par with Clair Obscur main story

why is kojima saying that? Kojipro has around 100 people and Death Stranding had help from other studios:counting all roles Death Stranding had 1490 people

>>712862323
You've never played FF7, have you?

>>712861815
small team made a good turn based rpg with a great narrative, gameplay and art direction.
What the fuck more do you want?

>>712859496 (OP)
oh no!

anyway

>>712859496 (OP)
>400+ ex ubisoft staff
>small dev team
lol
>>712860057
Snatcher and Policecops were the best things he ever did.

>>712862701
The game didn't have 400+ ex ubisoft staff thougheverbeit.

>>712859496 (OP)
Mr. Kojima is wise to understand the importance of the dog.

>>712861401
https://www.mobygames.com/game/241065/clair-obscur-expedition-33/credits/windows/?autoplatform=true
412 people (403 professional roles, 9 thanks)
core dev were the team of 33 though

>>712862661
It obviously needs more forced slow walk and talk segments to fill out playtime. I mean there are stretches of the game where you just walk around and do nothing but combat and exploration for like a two hours. Not a single walk and talk segment there to break up the pacing? Not even a QTE to squeeze past a tight space? Gamers don't want that.

>>712862812
>core dev were the team of 33 though
Koreans did the heavy lifting on animations. That's core dev work.

>>712862812
including all the localizers, musicians, voice actors, and QA monkeys as developers is so May 2025

there are so many incompetent dipshits in my industry who don't deserve a job and its obvious they got in through networking. how true is this for the gamedev industry?

>>712862876
so 38 instead of 33

>>712862914
Quality Guys are dev too
and localizers are always counted

>>712862661
I don't recall saying it was a bad thing, but seeing how many people wrongly interpret the circumstances surrounding it will only lead to bad trends in the industry when it should be establishing a trend of that Sonic image of shorter games with "worse graphics" and all that. But you have retards like Kojima who doesn't understand how game development works, apparently.

>>712859496 (OP)
So would that make it, Clair Obscure?

>>712861145
Step aside!

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>>712859496 (OP)
All AAA companies have to do is allot a small portion of dev talent and money from their obscene blockbuster budgets to make a AA department that chuns out older style games in a fraction of the time and cost and they could be successful and have the hearts of fans again too.

>>712862118
i'm not shitting on that aspect of it at all, my point is that posting its sales is stupid, DS had Kojima name recognition

>>712859496 (OP)
>Clair Obscur is going to get more gaming devs laid off.
Good.
>Everyone keeps praising its small dev team.
Good.
>This is a problem.
Not for Sandfall, Fromsoft, Deep Field Games, or every dev that Hooded Horse works with.

>>712863985
>nuFromsoft
>le small

>>712863563
What the fuck

>>712859496 (OP)
But 200+ worked on E33, not to mention it also had a budget of over 200mil

>>712859496 (OP)
>praises the game
>then goes to destroy the game with his own game at the awards
6D chess, bravo Kojimbo

>>712861773
Face? What face?

>>712865169
IIRC every single kickstarter backer was in the credits.

>>712859496 (OP)
The real question is will JRPG developers learn you can sell millions of copies without teenage protagonists?

I don't really get why those E33 devs keep insisting on the 30 devs lie, what a bunch of dishonest pieces of shit

>>712861874
was thinking about getting into warframe cause of her but im gonna be normal instead

>>712866875
Why do retards keep pretending such games don't already exist?

>>712867030
>Yatroonza
no thanks

>>712861757
Did Expedition 33 have a huge marketing budget too? Even the most anti-position has to acknowledge that getting a bunch of people to say GAME GOOD doesn't compare to the AAA-leagues. Plus if the game was secretly complete shit then Starfield would've been received a lot better than it was with the money they had

>>712867030
Spinoff of an adult-focused series, doesn't count

>>712859496 (OP)
>EA/Ubi/Acti decimate their dev teams and then decimate them again and then cancel all outsourcing
>"you are now a tight knit group like those indies, make our new AAA multimillion seller, and fast like they do"
>the guys that are left have no idea what they're doing

>>712859496 (OP)
>kojima praises a controversial dev team number
0 backlash
>kojima wears a no-no hat
0 backlash
>kojima claims to have invented the camera in MGS
0 backlash
>kojima creates Quiet who is the epitome of male gaze with the laziest hand wave explanation to try and explain it away
0 backlash
why is it nobody ever criticizes kojima about anything?

>>712867490
He gets criticized plenty for his weight

>>712859496 (OP)
Most leftists think of the game development industry as welfare for good progressives and democrats who use male entertainment as a way to Educate(browbeat) men into having whatever the correct leftist positions are popular at the moment.

At no point do they ever realize they need to make a product that appeals to the customer base or makes a profit.

>>712860380
>it's the 40 bucks
it's fair for a AA game desu
the best part of the story is that the team are former Ubisoft guys and a bunch of people they found outside of LinkedIn
the composer had never worked for a videogame for instance