Thread 712863650

Why is there so much doom and gloom surrounding Ninja Gaiden 4?

>>712863650 (OP)
It gets views

>>712863650 (OP)
the gaming environment, has changed

Contrarianism. At least wait for when we get substantial game play to say it's the worst game in the franchise.

>>712863928
This is the right answer.

>3 was shit
>forced to play with a shit character
take a guess

>>712863650 (OP)
Koei Tecmo fans have the highest amount of autistic contrarians. Bitches can't let go off Itagaki's cock despite how he left the company more than a decade ago yet still want everything to have the same directions as his games.

>>712863650 (OP)
Because the 'fanbase' genuinely hopes the game is bad for some reason.

people here will tell you these games are the same btw
https://streamable.com/qd4s7k
https://streamable.com/kbhovu

>>712864789
Why aren't you Shuriken Cancelling after XXY? This is triggering my autism.

>>712865003
because i was trying to spam only certain moves and avoid killing those guys to test delimb rates >>712783159

>>712864789
>the year 2025
>there has yet to be a single webm of Ninja Gaiden 2 posted on /v/ that shows enemies other than the IS ninjas

>>712863650 (OP)
All they really had to do is just make Ryu the front and center MC. I don't think anybody really wanted this new guy. At the very least, the better way to introduce Yakumo would be by making him a playable side character while Ryu gets the vast majority of main missions, like how other games had the DOA girls. TN thinks that a new MC is necessary to attract new and younger audiences but I'm really not sure that's the way to go. I do think NG4 is going to be a solid action game though, despite not being crazy about Yakumo's design. I'll probably grow to like him as I play it but I don't know, I think the two-tone hair was a bit too much.

3 sucked ass and there hasn't been a good character action game in 20 years

>>712863650 (OP)
platinum

>>712864429
ten years is not a long time alphy

>>712865601
Then 2 must've also sucked since that came out less than 20 years ago.

>>712863650 (OP)
more dogshit from Platinum, they haven't made a good game in at least a decade

>>712865846
that distinction doesn't matter, I can tell by your effete tone that you weren't old enough to play it when it came out, if you ever even have

NG fans are the most bitter miserable faggot fans in existence. They get what they deserve.

>>712866446
>why are FANS so annoying?
maybe you should try being a fan of something instead of room temp water in the form of a person

>>712863650 (OP)
People think it will be shit because of ''Platinum'' but they forget they just recently fired the hack that made their games shit.

>>712866446
NG fans are somehow "miserable" for having standards. Make it make sense.

>>712863650 (OP)
Because there's only one thing that Ninja Gaiden "fans" like and that's spamming 10 second long iframe autocombo attacks while a tons of explosions are going off since that makes them feel cool. This game doesn't look like it has that at all so they're bitching and shitting themselves in anger like they have been for the last 15 years.

>>712863650 (OP)
NG2fags are mentally ill, that's why.

>>712868759
they showed off OTs and UTs though?

>>712863650 (OP)
>Why is there so much doom and gloom surrounding Ninja Gaiden 4?
Xbox related.

>>712869991
Yeah, but they didn't show off claw ninjas throwing incendiary shuriken nonstop.

>>712870681
they should, that shit was based

>>712863928
>implying xbox is relevant enough for it

>>712863650 (OP)
It's been nearly 20 years since the last good Ninja Gaiden

>>712867571
There was a huge exodus of talent. Not just Kamyiya

>>712864376
This plus platinum & being forced to play a new character with retarded flashy colors splashing over the screen.

>>712866295
what is this? I don't remember seeing this in sigma/black

>>712866446
>NG fans are the most bitter miserable faggot fans in existence. They get what they deserve.
They're in denial that vanilla NG2 was lighting in a bottle.

>>712872198
It's still there. It's the encounter right before the wine cellar in the Venice chapter. It's just got way less enemies.

>>712872893
>They're in denial that vanilla NG2 was lighting in a bottle.
It was such lightning that its apparently physically impossible to just release it again without somehow gimping it.

Because it looks like typical Platinum game with superficial NG additions. Things like how the hits feel, character movement, ai pattern etc are very different between Team Ninja and Platinum. Thus why a lot of hardcore fans are skeptical

>>712863650 (OP)
Ninja Gaiden """fans""" don't like anything.

>>712863650 (OP)
It's Platinum Games abandon hope all who play

>>712873378
That's because they supposedly lost the source code for the original game. They also seemingly lost the source code for the original Sigma 2 for PS3, which is why they had to use the Vita version of Sigma 2 for the Master Collection.

Platinum has not made a single good game

>>712873914
i unironically believe that itagaki stole those source codes and deleted all other copies when he left the company to sue it

>>712873961
Neither has Itagaki.

>>712873914
>That's because they supposedly lost the source code for the original game. They also seemingly lost the source code for the original Sigma 2 for PS3
They still could've emulated it & upscaled it but they chose to make a simulacrum of it that is worse primarily because of deliberately shit design choices and laziness. I mean I'm just assuming the latter is the reason certain running attacks have zero tracking though it is possible that they deliberately wanted them to be worthless against anything that isn't a huge enemy or boss. I wouldn't put anything past them after sigma 2 and NG3.

NGfags are insane, I mean that with 100 percent seriousness, they only like one version of one game and will shit over literally everything else.

>>712873914
They haven't lost the source code. What has happened is that they didn't archive everything properly. They have 3rd party software to go with their 1st party software that only works on old Windows operating systems, and it's highly likely that the licenses for that 3rd party software has expired. Devs these days are now doing virtual machines to archive their games because of all the problems that can be caused due to licenses running out. Koei Techmo can do vanilla NG2, but won't. The question then becomes if its due to being too costly, or they won't out of spite.

>>712874393
>I mean I'm just assuming the latter is the reason certain running attacks have zero tracking
Maybe. The Vita version ran at 30 FPS, so maybe forcing it to run at 60 FPS broke certain things. Or maybe they were already broken before, I have no clue. I've never played Sigma 2 on the Vita or PS3 to know if the weapon tracking was already fucked.
>>712874536
>they won't out of spite
Honestly, that might just be it. I just feel like Team Ninja and KT absolutely despise Itagaki's guts and want to bury anything and everything he worked on when he was still there. It's a bit of a tinfoil hat theory, but I honestly believe it.

>>712863650 (OP)
We're bitter at the current state of things. The western publishers stopped listening to their customers, and poisoned the well with shitloads of filth.

Needless to say, any sign of trouble makes us wary. Specifically with NG, the last 3d game the franchise got before this one (ofc without counting remakes), "YAIBA", was a disastrous mess.

>>712863650 (OP)
I was captiously optimistic, but at this point, I cant ignore how uninteresting and bad it looks visually.

>>712863650 (OP)
>P* was making astral chain 2
>Nobody wanted it
>Enter: Team Ninja
>"Hey, we're busy making parryslop, can you make a Ninja Gaiden game?"
>"Uh yeah sure"
>Changes some names and models
>"Done, one NG 4 coming right up"
>"Arigatou , Purachinamu-kun"
NG didn't deserve this

>>712874516
Because NG2 is the only exceptional 3D action game out there. There are a few others that are ok including NGB but it’s a wildly lacking genre in general.

>>712877058
>NG2
>Good

>>712876424
Nioh 3 is kino though. Definitely better than this slop.

>soulslop diablo looterlike
>good

>>712877268
The looting is such a small part of the game man.

>>712877268
You never played it, it's okay bro

faggot game

>>712865520
I think yakumo is just easy mode like nero so they put them up front.

NG2 "fans" unironically believes a game filled with 1-frame-grabs, out of camera aoe projectiles, musou mob density, fps levels, input reading bosses and copy-pasted enemies is the peak of combat since forever just because they can chain abuse i-frame UT i.e. hold Y for awesomeness.

>>712878831
ngl you sound very filtered rn

>>712878831
Skill issue

>No juggling
Boring game.

>>712878893
>>712878959
NG2 fags always hide behind buzzwords instead of posting their gameplay. Curious.

>>712878831
>G2 "fans" unironically believes a game filled with 1-frame-grabs, out of camera aoe projectiles, musou mob density, fps levels, input reading bosses and copy-pasted enemies is the peak of combat since forever
Yes, thanks for telling us some of the many things that make NG2 so good.
>>712879017
All Ninja Gaiden games have juggling so I have no idea what you mean. Juggling enemies for the sake of style certainly isn't the point of the series, though. Launching an enemy in the air and juggling them with shurikens so you can insta-kill them by cutting them in half with a Flying Swallow? That's the peak of juggling right there.

>>712879262
> Launching an enemy in the air and juggling them with shurikens so you can insta-kill them by cutting them in half with a Flying Swallow?
delimb into ot is more effective.

>>712878893
The game can't really filter anyone when the game gives you heals. People only drop it because it's un-fun at some point.

>>712866295
I managed to glitch these fuckers in Black 2. I think i hit them with the staff OT and their AI just broke. They just stood still in their idle animation. I think I had 4 of them frozen at once. Is this a known bug?

>>712863650 (OP)
Why is everyone angry over the omission of girls? Chadgaki games had none of them. Goes to show how generations of people were raised on Sigma slop

>>712879663
We just want to confirm/our goonbait/ is still in. Ayane has to be there at least

I started playing Sigma 1. I'm not very good. So far, it feels like anything but the combo that breaks guards on the second hit is a trap.

>>712882736
Unironically, I feel like NG1 is the hardest NG to get into. Check out JayTB's guide for Sigma 1 if you want, it'll help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcLwEF203cU

>>712865510
>Year 2025
>You're still a retarded fucking faggot

i've bean NGS1, NGS2, RE, and NG2B on Master Ninja and i still could not tell you what the point of wind path is. the move where you jump on enemy heads. i guess a situation reset? because you can't follow up a wind path with anything

>>712883189
Nah you can't be fr.

This is the funniest video I've ever watched.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stgKmckckmE

I think they might've put cicada surge on RT+Jump in NG4.
>>712884971
Yeah the channel is funny in general. He's the genius behind the webm too.

>>712863650 (OP)
Because it's not Ninja Gaiden. It's platinum making their original game with ryu stapled onto it.

There is quite literally nothing about Yakumo's gameplay that uses any of the unique mechanics of Ninja Gaiden besides delimb/OTs. It is not ninja gaiden. Every mechanic yakumo has is something that is in other action games and all of his other mechanics are ones that are more common with platinum games.

IT'S
NOT
NINJA
GAIDEN

It's not an evolution, it's not a remix. It's not trying to resemble ninja gaiden beyond "DUDE GORE AND NINJAS AND DELIMBS LOL!"

>>712885407
i don't know man, it looks more like NG than 3 just because it has essence balls

>>712885512
Essence is a poorly thought out mechanic. I don't fully agree with removing it entirely like in 3RE but 3 actually recognized it as an issue and recognized UT spam was bad and attempted to fix it. You can argue about if it did it well but the fact is 3RE was trying to evolve the series.

>>712885660
that's the most deranged mental gymnastics i've ever seen here lmao

>>712885821
You have no counter argument proving you have nothing of value to say. Good job!

>>712885887
you're already arguing for me though? literally everything you type shows to everyone how retarded you are

>>712863650 (OP)
Because the new protagonist look like a faggot from a gay edgy anime for teenager girls.
And also that it looks nothing like Ninja Gaiden, looks like they had a project for a new game (probably Astral Chain 2) and recycled it once they made a deal with TN retards.

>>712885947
You've provided no argument to what i've said yet still feel the need to reply as if you're somehow getting one over on me if you keep insulting me. Nice try but it's not working! Last (you) until you decide you want to actually talk about video games instead of shitflinging about nothing

>>712886040
keep sperging out retard lmao
>"real" ninja gaiden games are supposed to not have ninja gaiden mechanics like essence balls

How many copies does the game need to sell to be considered a success do you think? 2/3 mil?

>>712864376
>4 could be shit because 3 was shit
What kind of logic is that? What does the quality of 3 have to do with whether 4 will be good or not? It's been 13 years and it's not even the same dev team.

>kamiyatard complaining about platinum but wants a ninja gaiden game without ninja gaiden mechanics
>won't give (you)s but will still reply indirectly like a scared little faggot

>>712886401
The game shouldn't be a success

>>712872893
>broken glitchy unbalanced mess of a game that is still riddled with bugs post patch
>lightning in a bottle

oh you're an itagaki dickrider my bad.

>>712886401
Probably less than 1 million unless they spend super huge on marketing. It's on gamepass.

>>712879017
>combo dummy simulator for maximum AUTISSSM points against enemies that don't fight back
boring game.

>>712872893
ninja gaiden 1*

Shitagaki didn't understand the fundamentals of what made NG1 so good and instead turned 2 into a musou that focused more on mindless flashiness than refining and improving what was there.

>>712886675
Are you trying to make out that Vanilla/Sigma/Black are all the same game?

>>712886401
microsoft paid them to make this game so it won't matter for both platinum or team ninja if it fails
also it's on gamepass

>>712886675
I dare you to name a better action game.

>>712886820
if this shit fails though you can already consider this as the last game for the franchise
team ninja doesn't want to make one and other studios won't want to do the same thing platinum tried, microsoft won't be bankrolling the next one either

Friendly reminder Itagaki has only made one good game and it was a huge fluke with NG/NGB. NG2 was a rushed broken messed that barely functioned on the 360 and even after all the patch updates still had loads of problems.
DOA was never good under him. DOA5 was the first decent game in that series and he had nothing to do with it.
DOAX was always shit and so was DOAX2.
Devil's Turd is a laughing stock and he's done nothing since. He is by all means a one hit wonder but we have a gigaautist that can't stop worshipping a literal nobody that only got noticed cause he got lucky once and had a big mouth that spewed anal vomit all the time in his interviews. He's talentless.

>>712886857
Ninja Gaiden Black

>>712886857
Literally the first one you fucking retard.

>>712886895
>you can already consider this as the last game for the franchise
Good.

>>712866295
Nioh is so much better than this forced actionslop

>>712886937
Wasn't he involved with wanted dead in some way? That game is just devils turd but with a female

>>712887010
>

I played NG3RE for the first time yesterday because Ive been dragging my feet on it for years and this new one is coming.
holy fuck its bad
>QTEs all over the place
>liara from mass effect yapping in your ear NONSTOP "hayabusa? hayabusa! hayabusaaa! fall back hyabusa"
>the dash is a goofy roll now
>no orbs so have no I clue how UTs just randomly happen upon hitting heavy attack now
>randomly get stuck in a QTE against enemies impaling them
>the on screen tutorial is near permanently affixed with "buy skills in the menu" even though I already spent the points I had and constantly reminding me to cinematic dash under obstacles, thanks for explaining the new mechanics to me, game, thats really helpful
>unskippable cutscenes every time I walk 50ft to a new fight
This is all in the first hour or so, I don't think I can tolerate it for 8 more hours or however long it takes to beat. I already want to uninstall it. Glad I trusted my eyes all those years in thinking that doesnt look good and never bought it outright.
Thank you self for not buying into the lie you have to play a game that looks terrible to know its terrible.

>712887316
lol no (You)

>>712887389
wait til you have to slowly carry a little kid out of a facility, cinematically of course KEK

>>712887389
>>the dash is a goofy roll now
wtf are you talking about.

Also you need to stop being a knee jerk retard. This is ninja gaiden, if you took the same mindset of immediately bitching instead of learning you would probably think the other games are shit too because there's a lot of techniques they don't properly teach you about that are extremely important. Having to have every single thing spoonfed to you is the reason modern games are so fucking gay and retarded. Pay attention and learn the game before you start bitching. Not to say you're non-gameplay complaints aren't valid

>>712887816
>Also you need to stop being a knee jerk retard. This is ninja gaiden, if you took the same mindset of immediately bitching instead of learning you would probably think the other games are shit too because there's a lot of techniques they don't properly teach you about that are extremely important.
imagine if /v/ tried to apply this for NG4

>>712863650 (OP)
Platinum hasnt made a good game in almost a decade and has massively changed internally since then

>>712863650 (OP)
>Why is there so much doom and gloom surrounding Ninja Gaiden 4?

Facts:
- Ninja Gaiden 3 was horrid.
- Ninja Gaiden Sigma 1, 2 and 3 were all horrid too, except for the parts Itagaki directed
- Itagaki is not involved with NG4
Conclusion:
- Ninja Gaiden 4 will be horrid.

>>712864216
This is not "contrarianism". Having any positivity at all for this disaster is contrarian.

>>712887690
Yeah I'm never gonna see that, given the retard who replied after you who likes the game defends all that trash its obvious it doesn't get better.
>>712887816
>you have to like it because I do
Nah.

>>712887995
astral chain was good
cereza was good

>>712886937

False. DOA3 and DOA2U were both excellent games. You are a subhuman who probably thinks removing adventure game elements from NG improved it instead of making it worse.

>>712888167
>You are a subhuman who probably thinks removing adventure game elements from NG improved it instead of making it worse.
Do you actually enjoy wasting your time wandering around in NG? Especially when replaying the game?

>>712888035
Who are you quoting

>>712888212
Going from arena to arena with barely anything of interest inbetween makes the game boring. It doesn't need forced cinematic slop like NG3 (and likely NG4) but having levels that give players the freedom to explore and revist areas that aren't neccesarily tied to the main mission, with some fun platforming and puzzles on top makes for a more well rounded experience.

>>712888301
(you)r subtext
>just put up with the terrible elements & learn the game, its fine that it has tutorials permanently on your screen telling you to buy moves but cant bother to explain the radical changes it made & the dash is totes the same as the last two games, just ignore your lying eyes
There you happy now faggot? No of course not, I should suck the game off so I can get your internet stranger approval.
KYS

>>712865672
This. It looks more like a platinum game than a ng game.
Also Ninja Gaiden is loved by posers because there was a funny video about it being hard once, so you get a lot of people complaining about stuff that was always in the 3d games.

I love this community and these threads. You can't really say you love something until you've hated it

>>712866446
>NG2 fans are the most bitter
Ftfy

>>712886971
>>712887010
Correct

>>712887316
>bloat is good
Go back to DMC V.

>>712889694
>Ninja Gaiden is loved by posers
What makes you say that?

>>712892960
Qrd? I don't watch yt

>Buy Ninja Gaiden 4 and you would be supporting and rewarding Platinum mediocrity that is Ninja Gaiden in name only
>Do not buy Ninja Gaiden 4 and you would be telling the industry: "we don't want proper action games, please keep making Dark Souls clones"

Holy sadistic choice, Batman

>>712894646
I will just gapeass it. Which is probably the worst choice.

>>712894646
Does it really matter? DMC5 was the best seller and a cultural impact. Where's DMC6?

>>712894646
action games are dead anyway because making DS clones are easier

>>712894907
more action games on gaypass is good

Yakumo will be the greatest action game protagonist to ever be made. Tick tock, Ryufags.

both companies working on it are but a shadow of their former selves
+ big studio bucks and marketing means broadening audience means casualisation and compromises

>>712896132
He looks like he will job to Ryu in the trailer.

>>712896287
microsoft doesn't give a damn, have you seen platinums for gears of war and halo? Even shit like grounded is hard to plat, they are not like sony