It's over Atelier bros
The normalfags won
No more time limits
No more cute girls
No more complex item crafting

>>712865659 (OP)
Yumia was objectively a far better game than Expedition 33; the French simply marketed it better

you just posted two incredibly cute and sexy girls though

>>712865659 (OP)
Yumia flopped and Ryza is a washed up hag now.
They're making a real Atelier (that doesn't even have these two in it) this September.

>>712865659 (OP)
>No more time limits
good
>No more cute girls
lie
>No more complex item crafting
it was never complex

OP is gay

>>712865659 (OP)
Good

I will never forgive the death of EXA_PICO

Happened with Monster Hunter with World, Guilty Gesr with Strive, Soul Calibur with VI etc
Your series' WILL be dumbed down and you will enjoy it and even if you were an original fan, you'll be told you're not a true fan and you're being a heckin gatekeeping neckbeard

Is yumia actually bad? I managed to enjoy the 5 atelier games I played already so it's sad to see an actual bad game if the steam reviews are legit.

>>712866402
Gust themselves see it as an embarrassing failure.

test

>>712866402
It takes a while to get going because initially in the combat is more waiting for cooldowns than actually fighting but once you have enough skills it gets fun.

>>712866734
damn that sucks

what about Ryza 3? I put off buying that because of censorship, have modders fixed that yet?

>>712865949
Right?

They need to bring back the time mechanics. Atelier is boring without it. I don't see why Gust doesn't view it as a core part of the series' identity.
Atelier Marie's combat wasn't good, but just with the time and synthesis systems it was already more interesting than Ryza.

>>712865659 (OP)
what u mean?

>>712868348
Retard

>>712868304
We will never get time back because Japan doesn't think that the series peaked with Arland they think it peaked with Sophie.

>>712868304
Nah. The stupid time restrictions on Totori stressed me the fuck out, and on Meruru, I just got sick of replaying the game over and over to try and get all the endings. I breathed a sigh of relief when they got rid of it for Lulua.

>>712868753
what u mean?

What's wrong with Japanese development? Yumia probably had a budget similar to E33 and still Sandfall made a much superior game. What's the issue? VA's salary?

But the gacha has a time limit on the banners!

>>712865659 (OP)
>nobody wants to play as a hag

>any review of ryza says that the series "needs" to have changed
Why do they do this? People are never happy with iterative games, they want novelty

>>712865659 (OP)
I coom to them so i buy gaem

>>712865659 (OP)
Hopefully it bombs and the franchise dies for trying to cater to the west

>>712869547
dev skill issue

>>712866402
the crafting is so simplified it might as well not exist anymore. If you actually engage with the crafting the combat becomes completely trivial and you'll one shot everything.

>>712866396
You mean Guilty Gear with Xrd

>>712870790
So?

>>712866402
The combat is a turn based action mix that does not work.
If you do even a little crafting the fights wont last long enough for you to see any of the combat. The open world was okay, a bit bland and a bit Jank but its Gust so I was expecting that

>>712869656
You just put a smile on my face have a (You)

>>712871341
Yumia has no turns whatsoever. It's all cooldowns, and all your skills/items begin fully charged. You can spam as much as you want in real time. Hell, attacking on the field gives you an EXTRA use of all your things.

>>712871747
I count it as ATB. If my stuff is on cooldown then I'm waiting for my turn, by the time you get more moves to never not be on cooldown you're crafted something that oneshots anyway

>>712868348
he means he's a pedophile who's angry

>>712866402
How did GoA succeed with simplification? Is it due to Rice crisis in Japan being right timing for this game?
Funny that GoA looks similar to rice crisis happened in 2024-25 which syncs well, with Japanese folk song as night music(Yuuyake koyake mata ashita).
>>712870756
Switch 2 will revive Japanese game. And it is happening with shine post and GoA.

>>712870617
Catering to West? Why does it lack EN dub unlike Persona tho? Persona has bikinis spite it caters to west from start.
And Yumia had every body type B in bikini tho.

>>712866734
Was it right choice for Dame dame to change from real time to turn based since 7? With Kiryu having limited action base mode.

>>712870790
>>712871341
I didn't find Ryza 1 or Sophie 1 to be hard with maxed out gear so I cranked the difficulty to max and the post game dungeons still required me to be careful. Can't the easy difficulty be solved by upping the difficulty level?

>>712869547
Shut up. Are u mad that Switch 2 reviving Japanese game? Japanese game will rise again like 2024 due to switch 2. And Chink games getting destroyed for not being available in switch 2 for China getting nintendo service cut. Atelier would get switch 2 buff in A27(Envision 2) by Using C button on alchemy, mouse function on gathering.

>>712870884
Xrd was "dumbed" down only regarding the amount of special moves each character had from the previous game and only some characters, at that. Ky and Pot lost a bunch for example but Dizzy and May still had a very expressive moveset. Movement, okizeme and neutral remained similar to XX.
Definitely not the same as strive removing air combos, gatlings and corner pressure altogether.

>>712870756
But Japanese game was great in 2024 tho, with P3 reload, dame dame 8, unicorn overlord, asstro bot, metaphor tho. But why is their flame got weaken in 2025? Will switch 2 reignite Japanese games' flame?

kys bikinischizo

>>712872894
no. On max difficulty you will still one shot random enemies. Bosses might take 3 hits.

>>712865659 (OP)
Anal duo

>>712874045
damn shame, in Ryza 1 even with max gear, the post game dungeon boss at max difficulty can wipe you if you're not careful

>>712874260
>post game
yeah yumia doesn't have any of that either

>>712874421
GAAAAYYYY

I'm playing Ryza 1. I just beat the dragon on top of the tower and am level 25. It was almost no trouble at all, should I switch to Hard? Losing to the Rock Puppet once made me think Normal was fine, but now I'm not sure. I don't want the game to be an utter chore, but breezing through a boss also doesn't feel great.

I don't mind the lack of time limits but everything else needs to go. Rorona's time limit barely mattered, would have been basically the same game without it.

>>712866402
As a 3D engine its effective, the open world was good and the story was okay. Controls are good, map is beautiful, character models are amazing but animations could use some work. The issue is the game part of the game. Combat is so easy its pointless. Crafting is so easy its pointless. You CAN make interesting and pretty things with crafting but there is no actual reason to do anything more than a campfire in a lean-to against a rock wall.

>>712873325
Lmao fucking poser, Xrd exclusively dumbed mechanics down and Strive got its movement from that game, Strive at least added new mechanics and reworked RC to be more complex
Both are shit compared to +R
And you clearly don't play SC to even imply VI was that entry

Ayesha was the only atelier game i played, should i give the other ones a try?

Would put a baby in both of them

>>712874730
rorona--->totori--->sophie

>>712874664
>Xrd exclusively dumbed mechanics down
Yet you couldn't provide a single example. Quite the display for someone calling others posers.
>Xrd: let's simplify slashback by turning it into blitz shield. Now the player can hold the button to extend the active window. This in turn blocks you from comboing off of the parry like a riskier tap blitz would allow
>strive: guys, anti-air too hard. Let's shorten its length, lengthen its startup and make it slower universally among the cast!
>Xrd: let's simplify FRC by turning it into YRC. That will make the execution easier and still allow it to be used for setups due to the way it interacts with projectiles and momentum
>strive: guys, why are Sol's gatling routes different from Millia's? Let's make a rushdown character, a zoner character and a setplay character all have the same chains!

>>712870617
They're already groveling and apologizing

That's not even getting into how badly Strive raped the aesthetics, story and design of the series

>>712875617
Why is she boobs

>>712875850
Why the fuck does he look like the Amerigoblin meme?

>>712877169
he's wearing the amerigoblin globohomo pin. they bogged him.

>>712877529
Oh god you're right

Why would he wear that pin to a fucking videojames presentation?

>>712875850
Are we going to get more games like Iris or mana khemia?

>>712877775
Gust is probably only going to make Atelier games from now on. They're on this "challenging games and classic games" system so they're making double the games now, and their recent non Atelier stuff like Fairy Tail 2 and Blue Reflection 2 were flops.

If Atelier is changing, I guess that means they're going to stop putting yuri in the games while refusing to acknowledge that they're doing so.

Are we on the straight timeline, or the openly gay timeline.

>>712877169
He looks like Ishiba, who is feminist man banned bikinis from anime and Japanese console game. Pic rel is how Ishiba will pay for banning bikinis from anime/Jap non gacha games and Causing rice price to skyrocket. Is global organization behind such rice price sabotage?

>>712865659 (OP)
>No more time limits
as if this didn't come in over a decade ago.
its time for me to replay arland because I almost forgot half of what happens

>>712865659 (OP)
NTR Queens!

>play yumia
>have to force myself not to level any specific recipes so I don't unlock extra stratums and ruin the balance
>game is still easy
fuck this game

>>712865928
>Expedition 33
I didn't play it but isn't E33 supposed to be a "turn-based game for westerners who hate turn-based games" Hence the real time dodge/parry mechanics? I saw a lot of westerners online saying "every JRPG should be just like E33 from now on" which makes me scared that japs may start to shove real time mechanics in their games to appeal to western audiences.

>>712879220
This is really, really funny to hear because E33's combat is like:

Paper Mario (before the series went retarded)
Legend of Dragoon
Lost Odyssey
Even Shadow Hearts to a degree

ALL JAPANESE GAMES

>>712880061
Falcom slop has similar combat system too.

>>712866734
they received overwhelming feedback that Atelier fans want time limits during Atelier Lulua production but they actually ignored and downright scoff at it

Atelier without timelimits is just another JRPGslop, bland and without identity, just like Dead Rising is just another zombieslop game without time limits

>>712865659 (OP)
What the fuck is Atelier is what does Reisalin my beloved have to do with it?. Is this one of those "lust provoking image, irrelevant time wasting question"?

>>712881312
gross...

I've been playing Ryza's game for the first time over the weekend and it's comfykino.
I just unlocked the base and i could feel my autism flare up. It's literally healing my soul.

>>712881525
Real secondary hours

>>712881312
I always feel sorry for blacks and Asians, God cursed them with such disgusting big,wide ugly noses

why are the most powerful Ateliers are the dumbest people?

>>712875782
>No examples
>Ignore the specific examples in it
All the muh strive posts are bot made huh, dead internet theory is real

>>712866269
ToTori feet

Why don't people play games? This achievement should have a 100% rate

>>712882165
Your "example" was
>Strive got its movement from that game
which is such a retarded thing to say. Strive added Devil May Cry's double jump ladder step to the startup of all kinds of airdash. This shit does not exist in Xrd or any other GG whatsoever
It is so bad, in fact, that people do low airdash mixups in that game with an air backdash, just to avoid the extra startup from the forward airdash
And since you've completely failed to prove your point you're now calling me a bot. You are so retarded

How cozy is this game/series?

>>712882886
I've been playing Rorona as my first one and it's insanely comfy, even with the time limit, which is pretty lenient

The way they talk about Bos is so weird in Ryza. Not sure if it's a Japanese thing or just a game thing. It's not weird to dislike a guy and still be worried about him being put in danger, but it feels like Klaudia immediately came to the conclusion that they were secret or ex-friends when I feel like that wasn't super supported.

>>712881737
Its insane how the first Ryza game looks better than both 2 and 3, wtf has Gust been doing this entire time?

>>712878391
the only gay in Yumia is Nina wanting to touch fluffy tail and ears.

>>712866269
Based. Red Alchemist White Guardian is a return to form after yumiaflop

>>712865659 (OP)
Did you see the new game bro? It has traditional alchemy totori and it's turn based

>>712865659 (OP)
Ryza

1 was brilliant
2 just ends half way through the game like halo 2
3 was just a cluster fuck and koi admitting they didnt know how or where to take the series so just ended it in a shit way

Yumia
BORING AS FUCK.
It's a nice world to explore but holy shit everything else about this game is a shit fest.
The combat it trash, the alchemy is for retarded normies, building a home isnt fun, endless shitty magic particle gathering, god awful characters and all deeply unlikable and a story that makes zero sense or gives you any reason to care

Werewolf guy and sexy goat girl were the best characters in the game and they just get pushed aside for the terrible end game boss

idk why i expected the [series] cycle to not apply to my game. god damn you people hurt me so.

>yumia flopped
It didn't though?
https://www.rpgsite.net/news/17092-atelier-yumia-sales-figures-first-week-300k-units-fastest-selling-series
Why lie?

>>712878391
Every protagonist in series history is straight, kill yourself yuritroon

>>712866734
Yeah where did they say that and where are they apologizing dogeza style?

>>712880471
I don't want time limits I want more games like Sophie 2

>>712882381
Backlog fags

The "main" team is directed to make the games more and more casual and it sucks, Ryza 3 played itself even on the hardest difficulty due to removing the item limit in combat and every mechanic in Yumia is babby-tier. The B team that made Sophie 2, Marie Remake and presumably the upcoming Resleriana-without-Resna are the ones that are still allowed to follow series tradition (to an extent, Atelier without time limits is still casualized as shit but they're sometimes able to make up for it elsewhere like the boss fights in Sophie 2 on max difficulty).

>>712877598
>Why would he wear that pin to a fucking videojames presentation?
he has been wearing it in every presentation since they showcased that gachaslop game years ago

Now we're talking

>>712866269
>(that doesn't even have these two in it)
Yumia and Ryza will probably be dlc though

Resleriana already looks far better than Yumia, i dont know what they were thinking, Yumia is a very bad game and i hope it wont get a sequel.

>>712866269
>a real Atelier
Yeah great, a real Atelier where Totori is censored again because modern Gust is a company of cowards and reprobates.

>>712894194
Ruined I fucking hate modern Gust man

>>712889131
no dude you want real atelier but either you dont know that because you started with ryza or youre a battered cuck begging gust for just a tiny bit of atelier soul.

Ayesha is the cutest anyway

>>712894458
Time limits are never good unless it's some arcade game with stages that last 10 minutes at most.

>>712894632
then it's not for you, don't ruin for it for everyone else

>>712894632
Yet Persona 5 is the best-selling and most acclaimed JRPG of the past decade.

Is yumia worth it if I wait for it to hit $20-$30?

>>712894632
which one, anon?

>>712894691
explain how being forced to min-max your turns instead of actually taking time for exploring is good

>>712895117
The entire point of old atelier was time management, that's why it exists.

>>712895068
Super Monkey Ball 2

>>712881312
>we want more thicc representation
>thicc girl comes out
>only sticcs cosplay her
Fuck these bitches.

>>712894632
The time limits add a layer of planning and tension, and they aren't even bad if you aren't retarded
I'm up to the 4th assignment and regularly have 30 days to do whatever I want
Just make the required stuff in the first few days then you'll be golden

>>712895117
It informs everything, you braindead fuck.
When you have a deadline, you weigh everything you're doing in relation to that deadline. When the number of turns that pass in battle affect how much time passes, you want to end battles faster. When gathering materials takes time, you weigh whether it's actually worth picking something up or not. When travelling takes time, you plan out your route to make the best use of your time with your limited inventory space. When crafting takes time, you have to think in your head about what items you want to make and how to make them the best they can be, and then everything else about getting the materials for them follows from that.

You take away the time limits and you take away all of the thought that goes into anything because you no longer have any reason to think. Inventory limits have no reason to exist when you can just pick up everything. You have no reason to plan how to make anything because if you don't have enough materials at any step you can pop out to get them and then go back with no loss. Sophie and Ryza stripping out time limits while having game design that's just a hollow remnant of games that had them is why those games are a boring slog.

>>712894632
Correct, time limits dont belong in Atelier.

>number of turns in battle affects the time limit
Fug really? Is that in later games than Rorona, or have I just been burning time without realising?

>>712894632
>>712895741
>as a veteran who got into the series with ryza let me tell you why the old games are bad

>>712895835
Bruh, Mana Khemia and Iris had no limits. And for the recent formula they were gone since Shallie, Firis tried to re-implement and it was a flop.

>Modern atelier female characters having tits mostly bigger than totori(pic related having sophie being smaller compared to other)
>censor shit like hell.
I dunno man.

>>712895957
woah mama who's the girl in orange

it isnt a coincidence that grinding the same bosses for 0.01% drop rate traits became common when they dropped time limits.
inb4 any cope about grinding in older games: it was never as bad as it is now

>>712894306
>>712894194
Shut up. At least Rias wears more revealing main outfit than every Blue archive swimsuit. And lots of Jap console games had bikinis in 2024-25.
But was gacha censored tho? GKmas' swimsuits are cucked to hell so that no bikinis, no one pieces and only ugly shirts as swimsuits.... i thought Gakumas as 1st Jap gacha to be censored... since I thought Jap gachas can have bikinis for being irrelevant and therefore not being censored, while Korean and Chinese gacha cannot have bikinis at all.

>bikini schizo
Why am I not surprised.

>>712895980
A playable(gacha shit) literal mama character.
With dead husband cause some people might get angry.

Why does she make zoomies seethe so hard?

>>712894194
Why are Rattan cafe and Mottipan(2 accounts in Japanese twitter) misunderstanding this as despats'd?

>>712896393
Would Rias wear nice bikini as swimsuit dlc?

>>712897169
Cause it doesn't looks obvious i guess?
I might have to rewatch the trailer again.

>>712865659 (OP)
>No more time limits
Good. Anyone that isn't retarded got bored of it in 1997 with Fallout 1.

>>712897562
Was Mochi and Rattan blind?

I hate hags.

>>712897981
Is Rias hag or teen in human age?

>>712875850
That pin now we know why gust went to shit despite the heavy shill campaign we had here for yumia..

>>712898038
While GoA was so good.

Ryza and Yumia are the only appealing girls from this series

>>712889131
I should probably finish Sophie 2, I was at the Ice area when I stopped playing, it was kinda getting repetitve. Does it get better afterwards?

>>712898107
Rune factory is still worse than the old one's and is also getting shilled hard

>>712898139
Typical American normalfag opinion

>>712875850
Jesus christ hosoi.

>>712898339
Tranny

>>712898371
Meant for >>712898139

>>712898421
No, it was meant for (You), pedo

>is that a woman with breasts?
>yikes this shit is triggering

It's funny how modern Atelier effectively started and ended with Arland. Lulua was still a totally unnecessary sequel, but at least it was a proper one with a new protag. Sophie 2 was just a cashgrab filler because japs still liked her over Ryza, and the rest is obvious slop.

>>712898573
Was plachta(human) even fanservicey? I totally forgot about it since it's been a while.
All i know was loli plachta which is just erotic as fuck.

>>712898139
secondary

>>712898341
He reminds me of Ishiba Shigeru who has banned bikinis from anime and Japanese console game. Is this comic allowed? And in bottom right, there are absolute state of swimsuit episode in modern anime.

You cannot fathom how much I fucking hate the modern bland world

>>712898975
I don't think it's anything more lewd than a bikini but >redditors

>>712899362
Korea and China bans bikini tho. Korean censorship is worse than China. Will Rias get nice bikini as swimsuit dlc?

Okat but what should Atelier players now do? if Ryza games are bad, Yumia is bad, Sophie 2 had good graphics but very boring, what last game was good? like, Lydi and Sulu? it was pretty easy too. and Firis was bad, and sophie 1 was bad too.

atelier stella was good, and Asha, and eskatology, but you know it was like 10 years ago, maybe more.

>>712899809
>what should [fans of a niche series they got ruined] do now?
Play the good older ones and or try to find games that haven't been destroyed yet

I warned people over and over again that Ryza and Yumia were horrible Atelier games and the people buying them are casuals whose opinions would ruin the franchise. Those faggots that agreed with them deserve this shit and more.

>>712899809
Like every other long running series, you play the old games or move on to something else.

>>712900118
>Those faggots that agreed with them deserve this shit and more.
true, not sure how many of them are here though it's hard to tell how many posters are Indian shills and bot's i know it's a huge amount but not how much, enough to take over theads about the games though Atelier and rune factory treads where nothing but shills.

I blame the comfy faggots. Atelier was never really "comfy". The mysterious games and COVID literally killed the franchise.

>>712900386
The Arland trilogy was super comfy. Don't confuse that word for 'braindead', that's an entirely different thing.

>>712900386
Nonsense, mysterious were only comfy if you did the bare minimum. The post-game shit are hard.

>>712900386
Agree with the other anon
Rorona is super comfy but not braindead

>>712900446
No. The game were literally made for OCD retards like myself, but they had nothing to do with "comfy" shit. You started with Ryza so shut the fuck up.

>>712900446
>>712900487
>>712900514
You comfy fags are the issue. Also ywnbaw.

>>712900386
>>712900519
Skill issue, Elie was pretty comfy.
Figuring out how the fuck anything in Judie worked without the manual admittedly wasn't so comfy, but after that it's alright. No time limit btw, just item decay instead.

>>712865659 (OP)
Since yumias release. This is the first thread I've seen for it. Why did it flop so hard?

>>712901067
IDK. Japanese game was great in 2024 with astrobot, metaphor, P3 reload, damedame 8, unicorn overlord, but why did Japanese game's glory fall in 2025 tho? Can switch 2 revive Japanese game again?

>>712900925
Item decay is just another flavor of time limit anon

>>712901067
IDK. Japanese game was great in 2024 with astrobot, metaphor, P3 reload, damedame 8, unicorn overlord, but why did Japanese game's glory fall in 2025 while Western game revives with expedition 33, doom dark age, kingdom coom 2 tho? Can switch 2 revive Japanese game again?

>anti-japan glowie

>>712865659 (OP)
I want to breed them both

discord sissies, might be time to update the script again?

>>712901256
It just encourages you not to hoard mats much and is designed around that, can't say it felt too similar to a time limit. And once you get the long-distance broom it's basically gone.
Supposedly the TL was back in Viorate alongside decay, haven't played it yet.

It was bad enough when people where console Waring now they are doing the same about what country makes video games good god, if they all suck they should all go bust till someone who makes good games comes back.

>>712898139
An incredible shame that her game is bland and best and extremely boring at worst because the design is another 10/10.

I had more fun with Yumia than with the last six main entries but honestly I was craving some exploration sloppa with a building system at the time so that's probably why. I still don't think it's a bad game, just extremely easy. Blame the skill tree.

>>712901732
>the design is another 10/10.
the game comes nowhere near that level of fan-service that skits was super glued to her legs and ass no ride up like in that drawing.

>>712901732
They should make a Yumia anime

>>712901889
You can run around pantless, idk what else you want. An asshole peak or something?

>>712901731
>console Waring
Is that Big Maring's evil twin?

How annoying are the time limits in Rorona through Shallie? They're pretty cheap on Steam and the aesthetics are nice, esp in the Dusk series

I'm not a fan of multiple runs, but if it's like Persona 4/5 where you can do everything 1st run unless you're a complete retard, then I don't mind it so much

t. played Sophie, Firis, Lydie & Suelle, Lulua, Ryza 1/2

>>712882074
Idiot savant trope.
Super genius in one thing, mediocre to colossal fuckup in almost everything else.

>>712902613
Not at all. Why would they be anoying?

>>712895950
Iris isn't good

>>712865659 (OP)
Reminder: Ryza was 15 in her first game.

>>712902613
shut the fuck up

What's the best one gameplay wise?

>>712904605
lmao, having a schizo moment?

>>712865659 (OP)
But Ryza is cute. CUTE!
and thick

>>712904889
Probably meruru

>>712865659 (OP)
Best series?
Mystery, Dusk or Arland? I got the Mystery Trilogy on my Switch...

>>712906681
Arland > dusk > mystery

>>712865659 (OP)
>No more time limits
Thanks God

>>712865659 (OP)
Yuma is on sale…thinking about getting it to play while waiting for the Raidou remaster.
but atelier ryza is also on sale and I never played that trilogy neither.
which one should I get bros?

>>712906221
This is my home.

>>712906681
Mystery > Dusk > Arland

>>712866402
JD's are ok as side characters but bad protags. JK and JS make the best heroines.

>>712906589
why?

>>712865659 (OP)
>No more agp
We lost agp sisters...

>>712912095
It's fun and challenging

>>712907532
I started Ryza recently, and I'm enjoying it. But I also have no other Atelier games to compare it to.

>>712906681
Play Mystery back to back it will entertain you for quite a while