Don't mind me, just sporting the best job system in the entire series.

This is the only final fantasy I ever played and I actually beta tested it on ps2. Wild that it's still going but man they made some lame casual friendly changes from what I've read. Too bad the mobile version never released. I'd be playing it on my phone.

best game in the series and red mage is my fav class

>>712876332
only added changes for long term solo play its still very non casual friendly

>>712876332
>mobile version
i was actually excited for this and looked up news for it very often. i wish it came out

>>712875502 (OP)
Based and true.

>>712875502 (OP)
true

whm/sch forever

>>712876412
RDM is so much fun, I love the versatility. It's what I imagined BLU to be.

>>712875502 (OP)
You can't defend the crafting system in this game. The only thing you can say is "it was worse."

>>712876412
RDM is godly if kitted right. I liked DNC and SCH the best, but that's just me.

>>712877054
I hate crafting in almost any game, honestly, but yeah, that shit made me pull my hair out sometimes.

>>712877054
>You can't defend the crafting system in this game.
XI has so much SOVL that even the bad systems just adds to its charm.

>>712877257
the only soul it had was the community saying things like 'be sure to craft that on a new moon facing northeast on windsday'

>>712877483
Sounds like soul to me.

>>712877483
That's kino though.

>>712875502 (OP)
I miss when online games expected you to party uip.

>>712877917
But think about all the people who hate MMOs. Shouldn't MMOs be made for them?

>>712878000
lmao, exactly. The vocal minority screeched so hard to make MMOs not MMOs that they literally killed the genre. I wonder how long it's going to take for people to realize this and make long ass youtube documentaries over it so zoomers can understand.

>>712878121
With FFXIV being so succesful I think it's going to take a while.

>>712876332
the changes over the last few years make sense because for 90% of players finding a group for content is either impossible, too time consuming or just annoying. the casualization of the game with wings of the goddess was shit though

>>712878259
i've been told that ffxiv has been dying for about 9 years now

>>712875502 (OP)
No, that's still V.

Smelling Mithra undergarments

If I were in charge of Squenix:
Final Fantasy XI HD Complete Offline
>local and online coop
>dark souls like offline online gameplay
>game has to played in release order
>you play the game as expansions get released and do all the content "current"
>there are AI player characters with their own storylines out of game that you can choose to engage in
>playonline is a separate loader with email, friend list, etc that you can use to chat with the other AI players
>shout chat looks and sounds like its respective era of gaming
>updates roll out as you complete the game and holiday events happen like they did
>a full immersive, 2002-2012 gaming experience in one package

>>712878413
V is probably second best, at least among the numbered titles.

>>712878386
It evidently makes profit no matter what you or I may think of it.

>>712878000
Yes. Unironically, fuck all of you, Everquest descended MMOs are cancer that exploit the mentally ill as part of their business model.

>>712878386
they lost a shitload of players with dawntranny for real this time. I’m sure the whales will keep it alive and hope for “8.0 will fix classes”

>>712875502 (OP)
that's not stranger of paradise

I tried to play it a couple months ago, but I can't get past the clunky menus. 11 and 14 both have such shitty ui and menu design.

>>712878470
Allow for the trading of character cards as trusts, so you can recruit your friends as your adventuring party.

>>712878470
>dark souls like
retarded. strangers of paradise like would make far more sense not to mention ffxi base gameplay is way better than rollslop

>>712875502 (OP)
lol no.
>Only one class with a taunt which means it has to be subbed if you want to tank
>Class designed as a tank gets used as a DPS and a DPS class ends up being used as a tank
>Classes have many many holes in their abilities and spells because they want you to sub certain classes
>Several useless classes both as a main class and as a sub
FFXI has some great stuff but let's not pretend the job system was the best.

>>712878618
summoner and blue mage are fucking abysmal in SOP not to mention the dlc difficulties make the game boring and tedious

>>712878470
I'd love a single player game set in the same exact world as XI. There's so much lore to expand on.
Modern SE would probably fuck it up, though.

>>712878626
I'm talking about the online offline experience. Where players leave notes and stuff on the ground. I'd want some player characters to be running around your world doing quests in addition to the NPCs.

>>712878625
Yes and as a bonus triple triad.

>>712878620
There are mods that can fix it, but I can see how a new player might not like them.
I played during the game's prime, so I'm used to it, though.

>>712878662
>Only one class with a taunt which means it has to be subbed if you want to tank
DNC has a taunt and BLU can effectively taunt with high enmity spells.
>Class designed as a tank gets used as a DPS and a DPS class ends up being used as a tank
And?
>Classes have many many holes in their abilities and spells because they want you to sub certain classes
You're saying it's a bad thing that classes have weak areas that have to be covered with other classes? Do you know what the point of a class system in an RPG is?
>Several useless classes both as a main class and as a sub
Name them.

>>712878662
I was in one of the best end game ls in the entire game and we had a RDM main tank and they didn’t sub WAR. there was a way around everything in the game except stun

>>712878698
I mean all they'd really have to do is port XI as a single player game and allow multiplayer.

>>712878662
>DPS class ends up being used as a tank
Was NIN supposed to be DPS? I guess so, but I always assumed it was more of a puller and debuff class, at least in the beginning.

>Completely mogs the job system of any JRPG ever

>>712876332
play on horizonxi. decent private server with 2006 version

>>712877054
Filtered.

>>712875502 (OP)
Does this have an offline version? I really don't like MMO's.

>>712878620
you need to learn to use keyboard only and it shines. lots of keybinds so you don't really need to even use the UI

>>712878886
you don’t have to play with anyone now but you still have to be online. if it’s because you can’t afford a subscription for a few months to beat the game…

>>712878886
No, but honestly, there are several private servers that essentially have QOL that can sort of make it single player. Even then, the retail version is mostly solo friendly now too, but of course, that costs money.

>>712875502 (OP)
it really is, and im kinda bummed i only found out years later in my thirties.

I started playing horizon like 2 years ago? Decided i wanted to try retail like a year ago.

I've been fucking hooked. I still play both.

>>712879060
Wish you could have played 20 years ago, but I'm glad you're able to experience it at all. It's a truly underappreciated game.

>>712878850
explain

>>712879060
thankfully you can just turn limit exp on and cap yourself at 75. with trusts you can get most of the level 75 experience minus the bullshit of waiting 6 hours a day for enemies to spawn and people to get off their fat asses and enter an instance. the only thing you really missed is the fucking kino 10-50 level parties. once you moved to aht uhrghan the leveling was not as exciting. by that point pulling 5 enemies on accident wasn’t a problem

>>712878662
If a tank is subbing warrior you're doing it fucking wrong. One shitty little enmity spike that deterioriates completely is not doing anything for you

>>712879245
So, what should a PLD be subbing?

>>712878567
After they did away with stance dancing I found it very boring. And that was sometime around shadowbringers I think.

>>712878662
Filtered.

>>712879245
there’s no possible way a tank could hold aggro without it in a leveling party. it would literally be over at the first auto attack

>>712879306
Current day retail? WAR or BLU depending on the content you are doing, there are other options like SCH but they are mostly for niche uses.

Golden era XI? NIN for most content, WAR for the small stuff.

>>712878662
>filtered metaslave bitch doesn't know how to experiment with the job system to find unorthodox solutions to problems
KEKAROO

>>712879405
Interesting. Granted, I haven't played retail in over a decade. I've played 3 or 4 private servers in that time.

>>712879409
>No X sub? No invite.

>>712879345
Especially with an overzealous SAM.

>>712879482
I should clarify that's primarily for endgame content, in a leveling scenario it's pretty much just WAR.

>>712879502
>filtered metaslave bitch doesn't know how to make friends
KEEEEEEKYPOW

>>712879542
no need to call me out personally

>>712879306
I am not a paladin, but the one in my static enjoyed /SCH a lot to improve healing ability. They can easily keep the party topped off against pretty much anything that doesn't spam status effects which will aid in building enmity a lot more in the long term than provoke. /BLU is a solid choice too for the defense buff and multiple single target and AoE enmity spells.There's probably others.

>>712879345
At low levels, yeah sure there's less options. But it doesn't take long to get to a point where /BLU will give you some good enmity spells.

>>712879553
sorry anon, the people in this thread championing ffxi haven't meaningfully leveled anything in 15 years

>>712879631
kek, you guys are are alright in my book.

>>712879808
crazy it took so long for people to figure out how broken it was. I solod that fucking ENM as drg/blu like 30 times and never got a hagun but polearm was so fucking broken anyway it didn’t matter.

>>712879876
>hagun
You just brought back years of trauma.

>>712876332
I'm a casual and literally everything about this game drives me fucking crazy, I'm level 99 and I still have no idea hwat the fuck is going on and have to use a wiki for everything.

>>712880446
don’t worry bud just wait til japanese midnight

>>712880446
It's an extremely complex game and realistically you're supposed to ask other people for their own knowledge, and in turn other people will ask you for what you happen to know about. That's part of the design.

>>712875502 (OP)
>ninja
>tank

>>712880885
In fairness, it wasn't supposed to be, and even weirder is that it was one of the few times SE acquiesced and let the community dictate the meta.

Just keeping it real for the old guard.

>>712875502 (OP)
that's not Final fantasy tactics

>>712880973
Thank god your picture is censored.

>>712881039
Certainly top 3.

What is the most annoying NM?
And why is it Shikigami Weapon?

>>712881057

>>712881859
those are some pretty big galka, anon

>>712880973
Haven't seen this in a decade. Not the worst way to go, desu.

>>712877054
It was even made easier but it still fucking sucks

>>712882028
That's why I posted it :)

>>712882328
Blud kitted out, got dat ohat drip

>>712878804
japanese game running on 2001 hardware, preasu undahstando

>>712878662
subjob /pup is useful, I swear

You guys don't understand we went to war over some gook spinning Fafnir.

>>712882395
Thanks :)

>>712879345
Always wondered why people would rip aggro off the tank, keep auto attacking the enemy, and then complain that they died, when they could just turn around and wait for tank or someone else to get aggro back
Yeah I get "muh DEEPS," but dying reduces DPS far more than turning your back for 10 seconds ever could

I would like to take a moment to reminisce on how much of a twat this fucker was
>Has an AOE that applies weakness to the entire party essentially grinding damage to a halt for 20 seconds in a fight with a strict ass time limit
>The weakness is applied BEFORE the damage, so if you don't resist the damage fully there's a good chance you'll just die instantly
>He can use this at random
>He will proc red upon which you need to do a progressively longer skillchain as the fight progresses to proc blue and remove the fetters before you eat shit from AOE damage they do
>Loves to put up stoneskin on himself mid skillchain fucking everything up
>die

Odyssey was full of horseshit but this guy really takes the cake.

>>712878880
>anon dislikes something
>lol FILTERED xD
that's not what filtered means you retard
being filtered would be if anon hated ffxi because he couldn't LB

I want to post some vintage Tanaka memes, but I keep getting a connection error for this thread only. Weird and gay.

>>712882395
Based Windurst enjoyer.

>>712882941
are you copy pasting an image from google into your post? It always does a connection error for me whenever I do that instead of saving the image first and posting from my folder

>>712878470
You mean like I can play the entire game like .hack but also invite friends to exp with me? Yes please.

>>712882787
Not only that, but if you die, you gotta have the healer revive you and then wait the 5 minutes for the weak status to wear off.

>>712882941
Been happening to me too. Something must be fucked.

>>712882791
Abyssea is a travesty but Odyssey is by far the worst designed content in the entire game.

>>712882791
The bird gave us more trouble, I think it only took two tries to kill this guy. And we oneshotted the tree iirc.

.

>>712880446
i played a samurai as a complete noob on a private classic server. it was the strangest 200 hours of gaming of my life. not only is the UI designed for robots, but i chose the wrong job for a noob
>heres your rotation, sambro
made it to lvl60 before people stopped believing me that it was my first time, and started expecting way too much from me. i think i passed some great filter before ultimately getting filtered anyway

Is returning worth it in '25? How much fun / grind is solo?

>>712878662
flash is also a taunt, as is last resort and several other skills. Try again?

Wish XI got more representation but at least we got this I guess.

>>712883456
solo will get you max level in a weekend, then you can farm for 20 years for your mats and gear or just pay a brazilian to do it for you. It's not that fun anymore

>>712883420
>Party member hits button
>Wait 3 seconds
>You hit button

that's not hard anon

>>712883514
I'm so fucking sick of Shantotto wank.

>>712883514
I'm very disappointed they at the very least didn't put the 3 starting towns in.

>>712883605
What, you expect me to, like, COOPERATE with people? Like actually COORDINATE skills with one another???? in this MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE video huego????????

>>712883605
i never said it was hard. i stopped playing because people literally couldnt fathom playing with a noob that asked questions, in the year of our lord, 2022. id ask a question and get kicked from groups for 'trolling'

>>712883705
Windurst is in, but that's it.

>>712883514
This one too

>>712883514
How hard is it to get these cards? I looked at a local walmart the other day as I was checking out and they didn't have shit.
Is it best to get them online?

This treatment is very handsome but I'm just a sucker for the Amano work.

>>712883580
>solo will get you max level in a weekend
serious? how the fuck? i remember it used to take months to level

>>712884154
>Knights of san d'oria
>human
come on now

>>712882941
>>712883112
Refresh the page before posting. It works.

>>712883605
>Party member hits button
>laughs in BLU
>laughs in RNG
>laughs in SAM

>>712884240
Damn, good point. I didn't even catch that. Total dhalmel neck slander.

>>712884409
>MOOOOOM, I WANTED TO COSPLAY AS A DARK KNIGHT, NOT A SUMMONER
>YOU WILL COSPLAY AS A SUMMONER BECAUSE I SAID SO

>>712883683
Here then you can have Windhurst's other BLM. The retarded special-needs child that does no damage, gets himself killed, and makes you rewatch 6+ minutes of cutscenes

>>712884491
Dude, I love that pic so much man. It's funny but also it's a slice of Americana with all the middle class turn of the century clutter in the background.

>>712884657
>you are all fucking COWARDS
>FUCK YAGUDO
>i will break every single law in the nation and every single law of magic because you retards are too chickenshit to save yourselves otherwise
MY FUARKING HERO AJIDO

Why are FFXI threads always the most civil on /v/?

>>712884240
Those ears look sharp, anon. That's not a human.

>>712884198
>doubled exp gain from original
>game gives you an echad ring which gives you 2.5x more exp
>story gives you a permanent 30% exp increase every couple missions, up to 180% total
>super buffed kill chain bonus, potentially 3x increase in exp
>these all stack multiplicatively
>the best farming spots are all free now that the game has far less players than before, and the wiki has the spots all listed on a single page
>Trust system means you can pair up with NPCs who don't take your exp, meaning you get the full exp amount instead of only 30% if you're in a party of 6 people
>Trusts are busted and can spam OP moves at level 1, meaning you can kill essentially anything super easily
>repeatable quests that give you extra exp for doing shit you're already doing e.g. kill 30 enemies to earn 1000 extra exp, kill 10 enemies in specific area for 1000 extra exp, kill 10 enemies with magic for 1000 exp, kill birds for 1000 exp, get fire crystals (drops from birds) for 1000 extra exp, get bird feathers (also drops from birds) for 1000 extra exp, kill 10 enemies with your trusts for 1000 extra exp, deal 5000 damage for 1000 extra exp, heal for 5000 damage for 1000 extra exp
>book objectives that give you buffs and gil and extra exp for killing specific enemies e.g. kill 7 birds in Konschtat Highlands for extra exp (reward increases every time you complete it)
>rotating objective that gives every person the same random repeatable quest, the most important being the "earn 5000 exp for 1000 extra exp" quest
It's fucking absurd how quickly you get exp now. I remember thinking 50 exp per kill was pretty good back in the day, now you can get 5000 exp per kill and you think "aw shit, my echad ring ran out, I'm earning subpar exp now"
exp is so ridiculously quick that you spend more time figuring out where to fucking fight shit above your level than you actually spend fighting shit

Justify THF without using the words "Treasure" or "Hunter"

>>712885051
hreasure tunter

>>712884965

>>712884965
dude looks pretty short to me

I'll say it. FloorTanks /v/ros on Horizon were great. All /v/ shells in XI have been full of chill dudes since 2010, retail and pservers.

>>712885263
It was some good times

>>712884965
San d'Orean Elvaan make better medieval fantasy humans than Bastokan Humes.

>>712883759
Your problem was playing on a
>Private server

The people who play on those are either tourists or complete egotistical autists. They are not FFXI players, they are latecomers who want to pretend they are hardcore XI players from the early 2000's despite never having played retail (and potentially being in diapers when FFXI was in it's golden age).

>>712885023
Brother, you might as well compare the bible testaments. The 75 cap fervor is gone forever and private servers lack the sanction that MMOs need to make the grind valid in the eyes of your peers.

>>712885357
I started playing in 2004 and have played on 4 different private servers.

>>712885357
it's a mix of both, old men trying to relive their glory days and latecomers pretending to be old men

>>712885534
40 isn't old

>>712885598
40 is positively ancient

>>712885772
I knew a guy who was 45 or so back when I first played FFXI on release. I wonder if he's still alive today.

>>712885023

I realise that with a declining population, they needed to add trusts.... but damn I wish they balanced them better to somewhat retain a modicum of the original challenge.

>>712885180
sad

>>712885598
I'm 36 fuck off, 40 is OLD

>>712885534
old men have no reason to try and relive those days because those days were 18 hours long 365 days a year

>>712885837
I always looked up to those guys and I never thought of them as comic book guys from The Simpsons. They were always great to play with because they took the teamwork seriously.

>>712885837
My dad quit drinking and smoking at 55 and he's in great shape at 72. Exclusively plays RDR2 and rides his bike.

>>712885930
36 is older than 40 because you are still clinging to your 30's

>>712886096
>36 is older than 40 because you are still clinging to your 30's

>>712886140

Rangers, you were always the coolest.

>>712886419
Arrogant gil buying faggots got what they deserved in the end

>>712886595
arrows are cheap to craft honestly. Even silver bullets aren't that bad, since you can sell half to pay for the overall mats, sometimes even better when silver coins are cheap.

>tfw everyone I played with is now 40-55 years old

what happened, it was just yesterday....

>>712887008
Dude, don't even start with me. I knew a woman who met her husband in game, died of cancer, and I still have her facebook messages.

>>712886702
Coins weren't the way to get Ingots, it was always ring desynth because the fishing hole near Sacrarium was absolutely overtuned. It's funny to me how Mythril in Qufim got slapped but this remained untouched. IIRC it was the place to get you to Fishing 100 as well

>>712887592
Depends, things fluctuate. If there are a bunch of noobs leveling thief or farming ~20 goblins there will be more coins. Either way, it's not too hard to fund ranger by just selling ammo to lazy people.

A lot of liars, none of you played the game during it's hay day, especially since the game only sold 2m copies worldwide so not a lot of people played it compared to other FF games but it was profitable because of the subscription fees.

I personally started around 2008 and kept playing on and off every year ever since then, my favorite time was before Abyssea was introduced (the first major fucked up big update to the game).

Now I'm playing on HorizonXI, lots of idiots in this server but it's still fun to play. I will never come back to retail unless they make it completely solo, it's not right now even with trusts there is a lot you can't do.

>>712888085
I've played the game since NA launch day champ.

I'm 40
I started playing XI during Abyssea but never made progress until Seekers. And was there live during the finale of Rhapsodies. It was a wild ride.

Then they made Voracious and made it require merit grinding autism and basically said, "Fuck RDM". And I noped out. Cool bookending lore though.

>>712888085
You don't know what you're talking about

>>712888085
I started in the beta on my PS2, private servers are shit, retail is different but still the best way to enjoy XI.

>>712888149
I also never participated in end game content until SoA came out, i did stuff like Skirmish and Delve when it was the end game content because it was easier back then to join and the gear requirement wasn't that crazy.

However after High tier battles and REMA upgrades were introduced i went back to being a casual player and never participated in anything beyond Ambuscade and CP parties.

>>712888417
you are shit

So i heard they wanted to shut down the servers in 2024...are they planning on keeping the servers alive now? they just added race change so i don't think they plan on shutting down the servers now.

>>712888530
The Recent Free Login gave out free REMA weapons, which caused the biggest spike of players since the end of Rhapsodies. Literally gave me like a +30 boost in just attack from what I had. I hope they do it again next free login (Probably November).

Would be fun to make more progress in Voracious. I'm currently stuck at the fight against the like 20 monsters in the ghost ship area of Aht Uhrgan. Which as a RDM, means I tend to get instagibbed. Absolutely loved the ending they gave Curila & Trion during TVR, and in reading ahead, the stuff with the Underworld seems a fun bookend.

>>712888737
Free REMA?
The mognanza weapons are not REMA weapons.

>>712888648
Where did you hear that?

>>712888774
Oh? What are they then?

>>712888648
Seems inaccurate. They keep adding stuff and people are still paying.

>>712888785
>>712888865
https://automaton-media.com/en/news/square-enix-considered-ending-final-fantasy-11-in-2024-but-player-interest-was-high-enough-to-keep-it-alive-even-after-20-years/

But it seems like it's wrong translation or something?

>>712888648
They're not shutting it down for ten years, at least.

It's the best looking Classic MMO and the most fun, other MMOs from that time like Everquest look like shit in comparison.

>>712888967
The translation would be more accurate to say, "Ending new content updates entirely" in 2024, but Fan support allowed them to add more battle content for end game.

And I do know in a recent update, they stated their goal is to get more new players to end game. Which the first initiative being the Mognanza Weapons.

>>712888832
...Mognanza weapons, that you could previously only get from Mognanza. Their stats are not as good as REMA weapons.

>>712878501
wow was literally made by ex everquest players and it is the most casual friendly one out there

They are planning to buff the trusts and make it possible to go to places like Delve solo, they want kill the reason to multibox.

>>712889409
God bless them for that, Multiboxing was always retarded.

>>712888085
I played on launch. Ran into a friendly mithra paladin JP player in the dunes who dragged a bunch of noob english players along. Ended up in a cool static with some college students(I was in highschool at the time). Did HNM on Cerberus, then got kicked from LS for trying to MPK a JP shell who MPKd us at fafnir. Ended up transferring to Hades and joined a linkshell lead by Stanislav(one of the founders of discord).

I quit and rolled a brand new character around 2008, played on Midgardsormr. Got into another HNM LS, lead by a guy named Ariethil. This dude bought so much gil, he must have spent a thousands dollars or more equipping his ranger. He got people to transfer servers to deliver him a piece of pandemonium warden gear and an AV item(I think it was from a moogle lottery, not actually AV).

Horizon is a dump filled with the worst type of pserver power-trippers

>>712878484
NTA but no job system will ever top V's due to the elegance of its mechanics. For some reason, SE has forgotten that one of the greatest strengths of V's job system is the ability to swap your jobs on the fly and use them without any penalty. Even Brave Default, a game directly inspired by V's job system, still penalizes job swapping. Your performance is tied to your job level. It's the same in FFXI. You can't stop mid-game and change your job configuration. Not without going all the way back to the beginning and starting the leveling process anew for your new job. And while sub jobs offer more tools at once, the trade off is you can only sub the one job, you can't mix and match abilities from two or more other jobs.

FFV's job system is the most flexible and that's what makes it stand out above the rest.

>>712889572
There is no point in having jobs if you can just swap between them on the fly.

>>712889580
Seeing an AF2 BLM hat with the Dalmatica still does something to my brain. King Vinegarroon camp I bet.

Don't mind me, just 5 hours late for a FFXI thread. I'll just read some posts and maybe reply to some shit that was said a few hours ago

>>712889727
That's a garbage take if I ever heard one. The point is being able to change up your strategy and build, to tailor it to the challenge. That's why V stands out from a gameplay perspective, you've always got options against any given boss. Your character level hardly even matters for 90% of the game.

Playing retail, my problem is that i dont know what jobs i should be playing...i like BLU but i dont want to gear to solo forever and not get party invites.

>>712889817
>The point is being able to change up your strategy and build, to tailor it to the challenge.
There is no strategy or build or if you just choose whatever job and gear you need at that moment at any time moment to moment. Strategy means planning, and that would mean choosing this stuff ahead of time, weighing pros and cons and such.

>>712889804
Yeah I think aces just dropped for gattz there. Funny thing, I'm in the screenshot but it's not mine. I actually ran into Gattz or one of his friends here on 4chan many years later and he shared the pic.

>>712878567
considering their current trajectory "job fixes" will be making everything even more retard friendly

>>712889842
>gear to solo forever
BLU can get into some things if the people are friendly enough - its not useless, just not optimal.
And anyway, keep in mind that most gear (other than -by definition-, JSE gear) can be used on multiple classes. A good example would be the Malignance set, which is a really good hybrid TP set for every class that can wear it. This way, gearing actually works for multiple classes at a time.

>>712877054
Honestly the main problem with the crafting was that a lot of mats were only obtainable from certain NPCs that had limited stock, and SE did nothing to ban the bots who'd camp them constantly.
When I first joined RMT was fucking shocking and if they didnt kill it a month or 2 in I probably wouldve quit.
I remember it being 27 million gil for a fucking NQ Scorpion Harness.

>>712889947
Love stuff like that. That teamwork is what made the game worth a damn and it's why we still give a shit now. Old knights of the round wondering how the ring lies.

>>712889409
>>712889445
They better give me like 10 more wardrobes to compensate. I play 4 jobs, only 2 of which are properly geared, and it already takes 4 wardrobes.

I miss all the pre WotG era
Would totally play again if they open a classic server
>but horizon
Tried it and its full of top tier non life tryhards

>>712889852
>Strategy means planning
And you've decided that no planning is involved whatsoever just because a job can be utilized immediately. Planning and prep time is any amount of time you spend preparing for the next challenge, however much or little there is. Adding grind onto that time does not add depth. It just wastes your time.

There is strategy and build in V's job system. You pick your setup, you decide ahead of time how you're going to approach the boss, and believe it or not even your equipment matters greatly beyond just the best defensive stats, so you have to keep that in mind, too. And it's all flexible. You don't have to spend months grinding up a single job just to make it usable. Or grinding up weapon skill levels, for that matter.

I've played FFXI, enjoyed it, even, but it just lacks the flexibility of a good job system. It's better than XIV's at least. Might even say it's about as good as you'll get through an MMO format, but it still doesn't beat V's.

>>712877054
i unironically like the crafting system in this game and think it was great, one of the best ever

no other game had such a meaningful and important crafting system where your craft actually felt useful and valuable

>>712890135
>I've played FFXI, enjoyed it, even, but it just lacks the flexibility of a good job system
It's Job System is fine. Choosing what job to bring to an encounter is part of the game play. Otherwise, why stop there? Why not swap your race on the fly too? Why bother having to swap jobs, just give every player every spell and skill and item at once? Isn't it still strategy to decide which particular spell or ability or weapon to use moment to moment?

FFV sounds stupid.

>>712890135
i agree 100% skill levels how ffxi has them are pointless in a game with experience levels anyway, just meaningless bloat to pad out more play time

>>712890076
Vermillion Cloak is one of my favorite body pieces

>>712889572
I don't really remember how it worked anymore but FFT was pretty fun.

>hey can I do endgame with you?
>show me your relic, DT set, MDT set, evasive set, mp refresh set, 26% gear haste, multiple WS sets, macros etc
>missing one?
>you arent welcome

fuck this game

>>712890406
Brigandine, Haubergeon, Hauberk, Scorpion Harness, Byakko Haidate, all amazing looking. Casters really had a limited selection before AF or JSE stuff sadly. And shit like the blm igqira weskit or whatever and errant houppelande were ugly.

>subscription for a 30 year old game

And don’t say “muh private server”, playing official is the only way to support the game.

>>712890537
If everyone who complained about this made a linkshell together you'd be able to conquer anything. The problem isn't the game, the problem is who you're trying to group up with and that you're too helpless to form your own group of friends.

>>712889842
Support/healer is always a good bet. Even tank requires too much gear to be effective. I got lucky in that I was able to grow with my LS as we progressed, but tanking turns out to be super fun.

>>712890259
stop talking about games you have never played, retard.

>>712890537
Yes, unfortunately most people who operate and play on private servers are the sweatiest, crustiest elitists around and they've rolled 5+ characters so they demand everyone else play on their level too. It's quite sad in many ways.

Unfortunately I think it's mostly a human problem. Maybe someday we can get some nice AI who can populate private ffxi servers so we can just enjoy the game again.

>>712890259
>equating being able to swap jobs on the fly between battles to having all skills at once
Maybe you should try playing the game before spewing stupid bullshit. V's jobs don't even give you all of their tools at once. The most powerful skills require a grind. Nothing approaching XI's since it's a single player game, mind you, but the point is that they still FUNCTION at base level, and that's what makes it fun. You can see what a job is all about and experiment.

I'm eating dinner so this is my last (You) for a while.

Is XI better than Shadowbringers

>>712890773
Absolutely but don't bring this shit in here.

>>712890679
imagine the AI being even more elitist

>>712890537
>>712890679

You are talking about private servers? because in retail nobody asks for sets because they assume you have multiple sets/REMA if you joined an end-game party anyway

3k players on Asura right now, i don't remember ever seeing this number in Asura

>>712890773
Depends on what you're wanting from the game. If you want to see where XIV got most of it's storytelling framing from, then yeah, go for it.

>>712890773
>is a full game better than an expansion

>>712884935

Long-time players have already seen enough suffering in their lives.

>>712885023

It's easy to get to lv.99 and get your base tool kit now. However, the capacity points and exemplar points are significantly more grindy than the lv.75 days.

>>712890679
>>712890879
It's sad how private servers have morphed into nothing but a den of hateful people, the worst types of min maxers who aren't there to enjoy a game but rather to try and flaunt their ego. They don't realize that all of their "Achievements" are worthless, no one cares that you killed Nidhogg 23 years late.

I've been pleasantly surprised with the community on retail, yeah yeah you have multiboxers and RMT but there are actually a ton of normal welcoming people that play. I've had random people give me items, ask to help me when I was JP'ing solo, and teach me things when trying to do content like Abyssea next to them.

>>712885860

Modern endgame requires you to party up. Trusts get wrecked.

me and a /v/ro just got set up on CatsEyeXI last night, after almost red wojaking at setting the game up (on what is apparently the easiest launcher to set up, lol) we are ready to fuck

Anyone got any tips? Someone said wiki the nation missions and start there? I have 3 months horizonxi experience when it first came out I got to level 20 and went to the desert to farm items for multi class iirc but he has none

>>712885860
XI's combat content is far more challenging today than it's ever been. It's also more plentiful, XI today has an overwhelmingly absurd amount of shit to do.

Sorry but as many fond memories I have of FFXI, FFX-2 has the better job system

>>>/vm/1763628

T H E P L E A S U R E O F B E I N G C U M M E D I N S I D E

>>712888085
>only 2mil

>>712891636
It's mostly private server drama, fucking disgusting.

>>712891183
Maat Mix needs to be in the login exchange thing.

>>712891659
Just had one read it's suffering from the same symptoms as another I frequent. People not posting screenshots/forming groups because they are afraid of being reduced to pariah status if they have any sort of fun.

>>712891903
Yeah the estrogenized left have infiltrated XI quite heavily it's hard not to party with someone on HRT willing to call you out for referring to the DRK in the group as your nigga (a term of endearment)

>>712890445
Wasn't fft basically just using the ff5 job system.

>>712892138
might have been desu

>>712875502 (OP)
I don't know how much it evolved or if it became much better.
But at least early on it was pretty awful. Once you got around level 25-30 you either played what was "meta" or you go and fuck yourself sitting in lfg for hours on end.

>>712892389
>Once you got around level 25-30 you either played what was "meta" or you go and fuck yourself
Factually wrong

>>712892389
Literally never happened.

>>712892389
My first job was a RDM/THF using swords and I got it up to level 50 that way before I realized I was being retarded.

>haven't played in 3 years
>pay for a month
>log in
>get my yagyu darkblade
>log off
just in case...

>>712893987
The buckbreaking that echoed across Vana'diel

>>712892389
WoW brainrot

>>712891636
Filled with HorizonXI drama because the server creators and major LS leaders shill the fucking server in there.
Like how the fuck does XI have a /vg/ thread for so long.

>>712878470
>dark souls like offline online gameplay
die and stay die

>>712884145
Yes, if you want specific cards, always buy singles.

>>712876332
If you still think "leveling to 99" is the entire game then yes, FFXI is casual. You now have more content to actually do at 99 (and the difficulty progression goes up to 150 now) that you really can't make that claim beyond that. The game still has lots of insanely punishing content in it.

>>712885023
Anon, the real game STARTS at 99 now. Leveling up is just step 1 of the process.

>>712895183
Who on Ragnarok are you? You can't just post that without thinking it will go unnoticed.

/waves
I mostly play 14 these days but I reactive my 11 sub every now and then.
>99 dragoon
>99 dark knight
>99 samurai
>99 black mage

>>712875502 (OP)
Why better than 14?

>>712901671
In fact, my 11 love lives on.

>>712901671
Looks like a killer machine alright

>>712890259
they did that with ff12

>>712878470
I want FFXI the offline full-party RPG, where you use FFXII-like gambits to control the rest of the party.

>>712904187
Say what? Picrel is wotr feat ff12?
Gambit control is some form of ai for party members?

>>712904187
>FFXII
Extremely bad job system

>>712905095
Gambits are what FFXII called scripts, you could program you party members to react to various situations and use actions in response.

>>712890773
Any version of XI is better than even the best version of XIV.

I really miss XI sometimes.

>>712888085
I played the shit out of it on my 360 nigga

>>712876332
>lame casual friendly changes
The endgame grind is more insane than it has ever been at any point in the game's history. Retards just got it in their head that 75 was supposed to be the level cap forever and can't cope with the game actually progressing instead of being frozen in time.

that's not FFV thoughever

>>712901715
14 is just mid on every bit except story
It used to be pretty fun in HW but the combat is just so simplified now its boring as fuck

>>712875502 (OP)
Jobs are a retarded system that while I initially loved as a kid, have turned into something that is pure cancer from an RP and autismo perspective. Cross class techniques that make thematic sense are where I draw the line in terms of acceptability.

>>712878662
>only one class with a taunt
I know what you're saying, but that's completely irrelevant in XI. Every class has the freedom to manipulate enmity as much as they want to.

>>712880885
Yes.

>all my ffxi screenshots are uploaded to my old photobucket account
>for the past 3 years photobucket has locked it behind a paywall and sends me a weekly email threatening to delete my account

>>712878662
>Class designed as a tank gets used as a DPS and a DPS class ends up being used as a tank
This is actually a point in its favour. The developers can roll with the punches and work with the fluidity of the system, making something that everyone loves, instead of throwing a tantrum and forcing everything into their intended roles.

>>712880885
>annoying assholes that you just wanna beat the crap out of (high aggro)
>you can't hit me i'm behind 6 million shadowclones (mitigation)
Checks out.

>>712906846
They kept spamming me to download my old Guitar Hero screenshots or else they were going to delete and deactivate my account so I blame you.

>>712878662
>Only one class with a taunt which means it has to be subbed if you want to tank
Skill issue, I was able to hold enmity by spamming blind as a RDM. Cure IV was also a good way to keep yourself as an enmity target. There were tons of ways to generate enmity besides provoke. Also there was tons of gear which would give flat bonuses to enmity generation of your abilities, meaning if you swapped them in while you cast a spell it'd generate as much enmity as provoke/flash/ect. As a RDM/NIN I could tank better than most PLDs, NINs, or WARs.

>>712907021
best ninja tank meta was sub /drk.
Stun and Bind was great at holding the long term enmity and Last Resort was a good emergancy enmity button.

>>712890679
>Maybe someday we can get some nice AI who can populate private ffxi servers so we can just enjoy the game again.
WoW private servers are already working on that I believe, it populates the world with fake characters on your locally hosted server. It'd be perfect for FFXI.

>>712906407
This explains why private servers are full of such idiotic drama queens. People who quit the game in the mid to late 2000s and expected to come back over a decade later still being at the top, only to find out the game left them behind. So they flock to time capsule servers where they can still pretend they know everything there is to know about FFXI while acting like the retail game they now know nothing about somehow got "worse" because of trusts and easy teleportation.

There are things in modern retail worth criticizing, but anyone who complains about it using generalities instead of pointing to specific content issues is either a third world poorfag who just doesn't want to pay a sub, or someone who treated the game like a chatroom and never really engaged with the content enough to recognize that the current state of the game delivers everything the 2006 version of it did and more.

What's especially funny is that XI has been seeing a steady uptick in XIV converts recently, and now even zoomers are starting to show up on retail to experience what a real MMO is like. Even if you start today, you didn't "miss out" on anything except pre-social media internet dynamics, and not even private servers can recapture that.

>>712906846
imo you should pay up and download them.

>>712905270
Thought as much. So people really used this, huh?

>>712908174
I played from NA launch onward and I will never understand the desire for the 75 era. Job points, master levels, odyssey, sortie, making REMAs, etc...you have infinitely more things to do and grind with others than ever before and the progression 100% mimics the old leveling process. They just don't want to admit they were never in it for the grind - they were in it for the experience.

Well, good news because retail has a fuckton of things for you to experience without getting hung up on "THE GROUND ISN'T HARD ENOUGH" 75 era mindset. Leveling up was always the casual part of the game. Anyone could do it if you put in the time.

>>712908174
I don't strictly blame them for wanting the game to be the same as it was as when they started. But it obviously creates a difference and their clique.

>>712878850
Explain, unironically

Im enjoying Horizon lately. Just levelling up my fishing and crafting. Got all my city fame up to rank 4 so I could get Drain/Aspir (over 200k worth of spells combined). Did 2-3 and got to rank 3 for my missions. Doing all my outpost warps. My highest levelled job is 25 lol. There is so much to do in this game that isn't just
>hurr durr get to max level and do le raids
Like in FFXIV

>>712911405
>There is so much to do that isn't just skipping to max level and raiding like in XIV
FFXIV and nu-wow broke a generation of MMO players
FFXI is curing them

>>712877054
It's better than XIV, the crafting mattered for most expansions - in fact, right up to shitty adoulin slapping on a bunch of very easy to get equipment with overpowered stats

>>712911492
>FFXIV and nu-wow broke a generation of MMO players
Most players who play FFXIV haven't played another MMO before. It's unironcally their first. So they sadly don't know any better.

>>712906407
>The endgame grind is more insane than it has ever been at any point
Well, yeah, they made the game into XIV, with mindless NMs, and the same grind for everything mindset. Go chase your ilevel gear, you clown.

I have four days off work, I think I can finish my Death Penalty this week if I apply myself, gang. 80% done with einherjar, 70% done with nyzul token farming, I need 8k more alexandrite, and 10,000 beitetsu

Oh and one more znm pop but i think i can handle that too

gun gun gun

never stop shooting

>>712889271
WoW was also shit. Your point?

>>712890259
You're a fucking retard talking about a game you've never played.

>>712875502 (OP)
Tactics mogs this. That said
>FFXI wasn't afraid to let Blue Mage be viable
I fucking kneel I love FFXI Blue Magic ESPECIALLY WEEK ONE
>Headbutt burn parties to chain stun monsters
>Out of Valkurm Dunes in an hour of nonstop power grind
>Valkurm Emperor slaughtered when accidently pulled.
>It only got better as leveling went up.
God. What fun.
>lolPUP

>>712911405
Honestly, the leveling experience is the best part of FFXI. At least on the classic servers like Horizon, I can't speak about the nu FFXI end game because I haven't experienced it.

Take your time and enjoy the journey.

>>712911881
Back to Horizon with you, boomer faggot

>>712880885
>NIN/WAR was a skill check AND a wallet check cause the Ninja Tool market was a thing. Utsusemi scrolls and relevant tools always expensive, but blink tanking was insanity.
>RDM/NIN could solo anything and had debuffs and stoneskin for reapplication of your shadow clones.
What a fucking game.

>>712912504
I don't enjoy the journey though.

>>712912504
>I can't speak about the nu FFXI end game because I haven't experienced it.
I have a retail XI account that is master levelled. Retail XI is total garbage now and not worth the time.

The levelling experience is solo since you have trusts. It'll take you maybe 2-3 days to get level 99 because they upped the EXP so much. And when you do get to max level, you won't be able to play a DPS or a tank because you don't have any gear or a REMA. You're forced to support using COR or something. You won't even be allowed to use WHM because for most content you need a Yagrush relic for AoE Erase.

I straight up wouldn't touch Retail unless you want to just do the missions without waiting for a party on Horizon

>>712882787
>Hit crit Slug Shot
>Gee, I hope my TANK ISN'T FUCKING DOGSHIT AND TAKES AGGRO BACK!
>Tank fails
>I die.
Tanks are trash.

>>712883781
>AV card
Absolute kek.
>No Omega or Pandemonium Warden for how ass-ravaged the playerbase got by both
Kinda disappointing!

>>712885051
Trick Attack, retard

>>712885051
Sirocco Kukri

>>712883781
>>712883514
Ah,yes. Prishe and Shantotto. The 2 most important FFXI characters.

>>712875502 (OP)
I bought this back in the day. Meant to buy it first when I went out to get an mmo to try. Anyway, 2007 or something, I played it for my free trial month. I played like every other day or something and went out alone killing monsters or whatever. Hardly got any loot. Didn't know what the heck i was doing.

Then like with the last 3 days left I joined in a group with some guy. We went out and killed mobs for like 30 minutes. My bags were getting full of some good stuff. My little 12 slot bag or whatever was almost too full. I didnt know what to keep or throw away almost. We got done and he was like, thanks for group. I messaged him up and told him about, been playing 3 weeks, hardly anything dropped, shit loot. we go out and i get like 7-8 good things in 30 minutes. wth is going on?
He told me, that you got better drops if you were in group.

So that made no sense to me. If I don't need someone to do a quest or whatever then why get in a group for? And then they punish you for not being in a group and playing alone by droping nothing but shit loot for 3 weeks for me? wtf. I didn't go back and play it again. never kjnew if i would.
Still have my game and email and password and that weird sony id they give you wrote down in teh box over there

>>712912195
PUP got much, much better as time went on but yeah when it was launched it was absolutely the worst job and it wasn't close.

Nowadays you have puppets main tanking V25 Gaol bosses without going below 90% HP and other nonsense.

>>712912965
Let me translate this for you:
>I play on Asura, the server which is insanely overpopulated and jumping right into the top tier of endgame is "expected" of everyone and everyone is a fucking asshole

If you do play retail, do yourself a favor and play on literally any other server. Asura is just late-comer cattle who can only do what the wiki tells them to do.

>>712914348
currently playing retail on a small server with a healthy linkshell and enjoying it a lot more than the horizon character I have more or less abandoned

I'm a latecomer that only started playing a couple years ago because I was poor back in the day. What're some good places to learn about XI's history? BG's timeline is alright, but I feel like a lot of the summaries are brief. It also stops at 2014. There's also a meme category, but there's not a lot in it. The general FF wiki is missing a lot of things and their write-ups are poorer than posts I've seen here. What I really want to know the most right now is:
>Why did Oathsworn Blade take an entire year to beat?
>Why didn't anybody know how to make Goblin Drink when it was datamined?
>Did the infamous PW made me puke guy really admit to being sick prior?

>>712914348
You dont need to jump to endgame immediately, you can play at your own pace in Asura, the real problem with the server is the competition if you do Empyrean and Mythic weapons, in some stages you will have to wait a long time to get what you want

>>712914856
The point was that Asura is mainly home to players who came to the game from 2014~2020 and they do absolutely none of their own thinking and generally don't understand how many game mechanics work. Asura absolutely does have good players on it, although I have no idea how they put up with waiting to do any type of content at all. The AHs on other servers really aren't as slow or barren as they would have you believe.

>>712914348
All the other servers are dead. Asura is the best server for the amount of stuff on the AH

>>712914436
>and enjoying it a lot more than the horizon character I have more or less abandoned
Explain?

>>712915101
>The AHs on other servers really aren't as slow or barren as they would have you believe
>Asura is the best server for the amount of stuff on the AH

Like fucking clockwork.

>>712915494
Horizon has no content and the people running the server are slimy greaseballs.

>>712915729
>Horizon has no content
If you've been playing it religiously for 3 years straight, then yeah obviously.

>>712915917
In the same time Horzion has been around CatsEye has added several expansions, bosses, and unique systems. Horizon devs are lazy and incompetent and STILL haven't got treasures up and running.

>>712915870
BLM sluts!

>>712916042
>Horizon devs are lazy and incompetent and STILL haven't got treasures up and running.

They can't because they have to add new town and jobs and new zones and stuff like assaults and mission..etc which is too much for the staff maybe?

>>712916042
I might be wrong but I think internal drama gutted the Horizon dev team. A lot of the good people left.

>>712916206
CatsEye has not only treasures but also wings working now, and they've implemented fucking Geomancer and Rune Fencer into 75 era and you're telling me Horizon can't get fucking treasures to work because it too much work? Come the fuck on.

>>712916042
>>712916360
Damn, that's quite bad desu. Maybe they're happy to keep the game in the CoP era

I got WHM to level 31 in HorizonXI somehow and it was a terrible experience, in EXP parties i ran out of MP quickly because the idiots i played with took so much damage and they keep pulling even when i dont have MP so i had to /heal between pulls and casting spells. Healing in Retail is way better and les stressful because you have a lot of MP and refresh gear and you can /sch to get more MP.

>>712875502 (OP)
I only played on a private server (I think it was Horizon?) with some anons years ago and I must say this game is an absolute masterpiece. I loved every second of it; anything I did in the game felt like its own adventure, be it looking for monsters to kill, gathering items, taking the big boat.
The only reason I don't want to touch retail or go back to a private server is because I know I'll get hooked again.

I was so obsessed with this game in 2001 before it was released up until after the JP release, i used to read everyone's experience playing the game on forums, look for screenshots and videos for the game, i couldn't play it because none in my family had a credit card and i knew nothing about PC gaming and my internet was dial up.

I was happy when i knew FF12 had the same combat and even some of mobs are in the game.

>>712890870
Honestly, the AI should mimic a range of player types, so I imagine some might be.

>>712917286
I recently had a party in the Dunes and a level 12 WAR tank was still wearing level 1 race gear. He said he was new to the game. He died twice then I leave. People suck so hard at this game idk how

I really want to make my DNC viable but the thought of making Twashtar is enough to make a man sick.
Why’s it gotta involve that asshole sandworm that involves like 5 items to pop each time…

>>712914735
>Why didn't anybody know how to make Goblin Drink when it was datamined?
I’m fairly sure it’s because, at least at the time, it wasn’t possible to datamine actual recipes or where something came from, only that the item existed in the files.

New player. I got 99 in COR a week ago, I'm just going through the expansion stories now. I hate trying to do range attacks and switching targets. I fucking love rolling the dice, why do no other MMOs have any semblance of thia class in their game, its so much fun. My friend whose been playing since 2003 joins me for some content in between some end game shit. I have no fucking clue what I'm doing, but I am having fun. Love skillchains even if my class doesn't really help with them

>>712913956
Prishe is pretty important.

>>712876332
My main gripe is that instead of levels its now just item levels and all the content you did before item level is irrelevant.
My other gripe, and probably the bigger one, is that the sub job cap being raised pretty much homogenized jobs. Red mage became much less powerful because everything it could do other jobs could also do for example. Spell exclusivity now hinges entirely on higher tiers of spells as well, making things like haste a standard thing rather than a reason you brought a certain job for. The same goes for things like refresh, adloqium, accession/manifestation, convert, regens, certain kinds of debuffs, storm spells, etc
The game used to be much more mechanically interesting before it became everyone can do everything with sj cap 99

>>712920870
Get started on Ambuscade and work your way up to a Kaja Sword / Naegling. COR will actually be melee in a lot of situations if you hate shooting (although obviously keep working on a shooting weapon / set as well).

The UNM that drops Kusawi is fairly easy as long as you have more than one real player fighting him.

>>712920970
ML subjob losers: BLM, SMN
ML subob winners: Everyone else

>>712915917
It has less content now than wings had on launch. It's an absolute joke even before considering the ridiculous personal changes aerec made.

>>712879313
Shadowbringers killed everything I liked about that game
>astrologian buffs
>scholar fairy, deleted from the game
>summoner pet deleted from the game because of “pet action jank” and complaining about not being able to execute things like contagion perfectly
>tank stance dancing (cleric stance dancing was removed in stormblood)
I don’t remember when noct sect was removed, I think it was actually in end walker but that was yet another slap in the face.
When I saw bard “buffs” turn into 1% dhit rate buffs I also could not believe my eyes. I am not sure how anyone calls dancer and bard support dps because they are exactly like any other dps, line up your raid buffs for the 2m burst window
I thought I’d enjoy the field ups in dawntrail, then I saw just how fucking disgustingly shallow the phantom jobs are. They removed every sliver of uniqueness there was to each job in pvp as well. There is no way they are fixing the job design in 8.0, literal fucking monkey paw people have.

>>712889995
100%. I have zero hope for this game

>>712921437
XIV sucks so bad dude. Especially compared to XI. It's sad how XI is over 20 years old and is still a superior MMO

>>712921119
I have a 119 gun from dome reward thing but yeah my sword kinda sucks still. I can pull 2 real people in so hopefully that UNM isn't bad to farm for that weapon

>>712917286
If your parties were pulling non stop without a bard then that wasn’t your fault.
Older ffxi was a much slower game

>>712921664
Holliday is honestly very good and is only beaten out by REMA level shit. You can get 2 of them and augment one for physical ranged WS and another for magical ranged WS.
And I assume you know about the 1000 TP magian trial gun.

is HorizonXI still alive?

I fucking hate Savage Blade so much…

>>712912791
>he doesn't like the game being mindnumbingly easy but extremely tedious
>he must be...le private server player!
I most recently played XI on Bahamut, 10 years ago, way before your ecelebs were talking it up as "XIV but better!!", giving you these weak criticisms to parrot.

Grinding for RME was nothing compared to the tokens for every little ilevel doitall equipment piece and all the other XIV trash added by Adoulin. Nobody thinks the game should be capped at 75, they take issue with the fact that Abyssea and Adoulin invalidate great big chunks of the content.

>>712922123
>And I assume you know about the 1000 TP magian trial gun.
I don't but now I am respectively looking and googling

>>712875502 (OP)
>Job system
>MMO
That's just classes.

>play game
>level up scholar and summoner
>enjoy them at endgame level
>decide to try out bard and red mage
>enjoying both in parties
>max them out
>despite enjoying scholar more in merit parties get asked to come as red mage every single time, insist theres not much of a difference but they don’t care cause lolhaste
>this was only if a bard was found, otherwise I was the defacto bard
>try to go to endgame as red mage, summoner or scholar
>only get asked to come as a bard
This was the only cursed thing about this game. I still really enjoyed playing bard but holy fuck did it suck ONLY ever being a bard at endgame. My recommendation was to keep bard your bard a secret from everyone except whoever you trust and only do endgame with it if you actually enjoy doing endgame with it (its honestly only fun in parties) as it is the laziest but one of the most needed jobs in endgame.

>>712922280
it's alive but it's shit to play, really top heavy and since the predator/nonce exposure stuff it comes with a bad taste in your mouth as you play it (if you have kids anyway lol) - most /v/ros have moved to catseye

>>712922280
https://horizonxi.info/census

Old Alexander server player here.

Gotta say, it's kind of nice in a way to see the Japs finally getting cucked by the multicultis after years of playing FFXI with them and getting "JP ONRY" thrown up in my face constantly for party invites.

>>712924209
>>712922280
It sucks when the servers become top heavy. Getting a party at low level becomes impossible.

>>712924365
>low level parties
Not soloing until 30 is beyond retarded unless if you really enjoy punching crabs and red birds for best seals at a snails pace since they share a pool with Kindred's

San d'Oria... HOME

>>712906509
I thought the class and job system in 14 is perfect, at least compared to other ff games.

>>712925006
bro this is retarded. all the classes more or less play exactly the same. 2 min burst windows cause of gauges. the job system there is terrible

>>712925006
Have you never played any other FF game? The job system in XIV is completely wasted because everything has exactly the same capabilities as any other job. They're just cosmetic jobs.

>>712922958
BRD and RDM are just the goat classes, that is all there is to it. You can live with anything else in just about any combination but Haste II and songs are irreplaceable.

>>712925071
Haven't played a single mmo, idk.

>>712924292
I have been playing the game for 17 years and haven’t seen a single japanese person say JP ONRY

>literally nobody uses airships anymore

>>712925325
I do.

>>712925325
It’s a low level thing you are supposed to do at least once.

>>712925154
This was at 75 cap jic but i imagine its somewhat similar now if theres a haste 2

>>712924950
>Story is 90% filler
>Pj and Trion are War Criminals that get away with it

>>712875502 (OP)
that's not ff3/ff5 i can't remember which

>>712925006
>I thought the class and job system in 14 is perfect
>system is so sterile that blue mage is locked away as an isolated minigame, soon to be joined by beastmaster

>>712875502 (OP)
This is quite honestly one of the most boring games I have ever fucking played

>>712887694
Yeah. I actually loved how the farming and crafting served as a something of a filter for the class. It just meant more meaningful stuff for me to be able to go and do every night.

>>712925520
FF5 is the better job system game. FF3 designs jobs for specific fights and it expects you to use those jobs for those fights, it's more like a puzzle RPG. FF5 just gives you a bunch of cool jobs and lets you do cool stuff on any boss fight no matter what you've decided to take.

>>712925520
Not even the best single player job system ff

>>712925520
Bravely default
Bravely second
Bravely default 2
Ff dimensions
4 heroes of light
All do job systems better

>>712925497
>world building
>filler
More like you got filtered.

>>712887221
i think there is a lot of stories and in japanese forums of people that met on ffxi and ended up getting married.
amazing in a lot of ways
long have the days gone by tho

THAT'S RIGHT SUCKER GO BACK TO RABAO

>>712925526
>soon to be joined by beastmaster
It just goes to show how much of a failure XIVs battle system is. The fact they cant add these jobs into the game, while a 20 year old MMO like XI already had done that. How can an old MMO have better features than a newer one? Its just a failure on unprecedented levels

>>712920593
Was the technology to dig that deep just not there or was that sort of information hard-coded?

>>712882791
At what point can I start participating in sheol gaol?
>t. BLU, COR, GEO, WAR with R0 Ody gear, assortment of +2-+3 AF/relic/empy, naegling, most relevant non 30mil+ accessories, bagua charm +2
Idris is about 5k HP bayld away from being done too

>>712925130
Wtf? Are people that retarded? Disgusting. Everything is streamlined and assimilated.
>Have you never played any other FF game
All except 3. Can't find a to go version for it.

>>712925463
BRD is just the most powerful job in the game (and always was - players just didn't know how far they could push it back in the day).
If you are a really high-end BRD at the moment you have 40 seconds of buffing and then spend the next 10+ minutes being the 3rd best DD in the game, all in one fucking job. Its crazy.

>>712925526
>system is so sterile that blue mage is locked
No wonder se is where it is right now

>>712925252
You must've played on a weird server. There was intense competition between NA and JP players on Alexander, though the top linkshell CLAIMED was a combination of both.

I saw JP ONRY all the fucking time for parties of all levels, from the Dunes on up. This was right when the game came out.

>>712925756
I met my first wife through FFXI. Way more common than you might thing. My current wife is someone I met through work.
Yes I'm an oldfag "normie", deal with it - its a FFXI thread for fuck's sakes

>>712926158
>>712925526
I think that's still somehow the better fate for it
Couldn't imagine a BLU where the spells came from side quests and fed into a gauge that goes from 0-100 and bad breath is a DoT (that gets removed in 7.0) that lasts for 30s on a 60s cooldown

>>712926372
They could have the spells come from monsters in MSQ dungeons, so you learn it naturally as you go through the dungeon. But yeah there's no saving the job mechanics. Even being a limited job hasn't saved the job mechanics because it's still a 2-minute buff window john fucking madden everything job like everything else.

>>712925736
>Ff dimensions
That's basic af. Job + master bonus (passive) + side job.

>>712926124
That actually sounds way more boring than what I did in merit parties, no offense its just I didn’t really pick a melee dd job to begin with because i thought they were boring and I played at least every type of class except tank at least once as I had a WAR alt.
Merit party bard was some of the most busiest fun I’ve had in an mmo
>pulling endlessly to keep a chain going
>keeping ballad on healer and 2 other songs by request on the 4 melee
>sometimes the melee asked for specific things so I might cast 6 buffs or more
>before pianissimo I had to position myself to separate the songs, people RARELY cooperated
>keeping the stuff I pulled slept at camp and sometimes low key tanking them with /nin if they resisted sleep
>sometimes I was also /whm, pulled with blink on and co-healed a bit
There was just no other job in the game that had so much stuff to do and I thought scholar was before then because it can be a black mage or a white mage at the same time.

>>712925989
I think it’s was a case of crafting recipes basically being a server side check and if there was no dialogue hinting at the recipe to scrape, it was just pure guessing at that point.

stop talking about xiv in my xi thread

>>712926636
I mean, you can still do all of that stuff, but you also get to nearly full time DD, too. It just does everything.

>>712926750
Ok daddy

XIV thread here xivvies!!!!!! >>712926345

Fuck Castle OJ I wish the worst for who decided the Yagudo Crest should be littered with True Sight NM

>>712926591
FF Dimensions is basically FF5 except depending on your taste the jobs are more interesting. The main difference between the two is that you have 2 separate parties with access to different jobs. That being said I think bard/dancer/magus/devout/memorist are more interesting jobs in FFD than whatever FF5 brings to the table, the most memorable job there was blue mage and spellblade.
If I am being honest I think FF5 and FFD are very close in terms of which game is better but I prefer FFD.
That being said, nothing has yet to beat bravely default (salve-maker/spiritmaster), bravely second (wizard), or octopath (Alfyn/Castti). Octopath also has the benefit of JP being universal, making messing with your setup infinitely more fun than any other job based game as you progress.

>>712926013
You’re probably fine but it’s mostly a matter of finding non-autismos who are also working they’re way up and/or understand that people don’t spawn into the game geared to the teeth and will except some inefficiency when adding someone into their group.
When I last was focusing on the game hard, my server Phoenix, didn’t have a lot of English PUG groups going on for actual bosses, and segment PUGs were basically a “do you have Naegling and/or a REMA and non-retarded looking gear equipped” scene so I don’t know what the culture is like now and on other servers.

Should i play retail or catseye?

>>712927247
I was on Phoenix but it felt kinda dead so I switched to Odin for more JP people, and there's always yells for something, just not much Gaol stuff
If there is, it's R25
I live in Japan and know moonrunes, so that's not an issue

>>712924209

I'm on horizon and even now it's not hard to get a party at any level, people still need to level alt jobs and there are plenty of autists chasing maats cap.

>>712926317
you still hop on 11 ?

Its impossible to talk about XI with modern mmo players.
>"Its a class that just buffs people? Sounds really boring."
>"There's no point to having multiple ways to kill bosses, people will just figure out the fastest way and do that every time."
>"You can't put complicated mechanics in an MMO - its not a tabletop game, and people have to fight the same thing multiple times. They'll just get frustrated if things aren't simple, so no MMO has ever been made that's more deep than WoW (yes they really said this)

There unironically needs to be a purge
They all need to die for games to get better

>>712920970
RDM/NIN are still solo beasts, they just focus on their higher tier debuffs and protection spells/shadows now and self-skillchain into magic burst.
The skill ceiling is high as hell too since you won't be pumping out as much damage as the meta DRK/SAM skillchain machines, but you'll be able to do more varied content instead of repeating the same phys-weak monsters and skipping everything else like a DRK/SAM

>>712925427
I did try it once.
I would do it all the time if everyone else did. I wanted to experience sitting on an airship chatting with people.
But nu-Internet, even in turn-of-the-millennium legacy online software like FF11, discourages interaction between humans.

>>712927767
Certainly not as much as I used to, but I still play retail. Not a fan of the new Limbus content as it is actually really boring and the AF/Relic +4 isn't worth it (yet, anyway).

>>712927192
Ffd is a mobile game? Sounds like it's an excellent mobile rpg.
>octo and bravely
These three games are so good, regarding job systems? They are atrocious to play. Why are the combos so good? Tried to get into ot, but the demo repelled me.

>>712927261
Retail

>>712925325
You underestimate how bad it is to get to Bastok

>>712911405

>tfw played horizon
>tfw grinded to 75
>tfw grinded to rank 10
>tfw always wanted to play a fully geared mnk from 1-75, full merits along the way
>tfw friend gives me a fish bot
>tfw grind 1-92 fishing, get lu shangs
>tfw start fishing 8 hours a day
>tfw he tells me he fishes overnight with no problems
>tfw fish 24/7 for a week straight, finally have o. kote, cross counters, fuma feet, gi, empress pin, borealis caesti, peacock charm
>tfw get banned the last day of farming gil

>>712927192
I can't play FFD thoughbeit.

>>712928749
>tfw get banned the last day of farming gil
How did you get banned? Was it autodetected or did a GM catch you? The GMs can spawn near you and ask you to /tell them or move your character. If your character continues to do the /fish command when they move you they know you're botting.

>>712929515
Actually rereading that, you probably got caught if you left it on overnight. You should always be watching if you're botting, in case they speak to you.

>>712928423
>bravely default
Mostly about as standard as FF5 for most of the beginning of the game. Things of note early game is that thief can actually do some solid damage while stealing and spell fencer is fun in that it turns any melee of your choosing into a physical black mage. When you get the lategame jobs is when things start getting interesting. Salve-maker is an item using job that can mix items to create new effects, this job can do ANYTHING you need and bends almost everything to the game to your favor if you know what you are doing and have the appropriate items. Spiritmaster on the other hand is a “white mage” with a crapton of defensive support options that can even trivialize the game entirely to the point were the enemy does zero damage to you while you can freely do damage to the enemy.

>Bravely second
What makes this game fun is the first job you get: Wizard. Wizard feels like it was inspired by Scholar from FFXI. It can modify any magic spell no matter what it is, in different ways. Heres the list of all spellcraft modifications so you see what I mean and this works with any type of magic, astrologian buffs, black magic, white magic, bishop magic, time magic, anything can be modified
https://bravelydefault.fandom.com/wiki/Spellcraft

>octopath
Octopath 1 is pretty standard as far as job based games go but alfyn, the apothecary can do similar things to what the salve maker in BD could do.
Octopath 2 improves the jobs from octopath 1 to be more interesting, i particularly liked the changes to Scholar which was just a standard black mage in the first game and alfyns compounding remains through castti though in a less broken format as alfyn didn’t need to “boost” his compounding recipes
I really don’t understand why this stupid posting cooldown activates multiple times when I try to make multiple posts, it is very annoying.

>>712925736
i have the actual cart for heroes of light and it never grabbed me. It felt super generic and boring.

>>712929515
>>712929626

I actually ended up banned mid day. I stepped away for an hour to do something for my daughter. Overnight was honestly never a problem. Friend and I both got banned for it.

Over at Cats Eye XI, they actually reviewed footage of him fishing and said the delays were too perfect and consisent and banned him for that so we started playing crystal warrior characters. The GM's would randomly pop in next to us and start chatting within like 10-15 minutes, it was wild.

>>712930305
>I actually ended up banned mid day. I stepped away for an hour to do something for my daughter. Overnight was honestly never a problem. Friend and I both got banned for it.
Hmm, do you think someone moved your character or spawned next to you during that hour? Now I'm afraid a little since I've been doing a bit of my own fish botting. Although I only do it when I'm watching my character on the same screen.

>>712929637
>Spiritmaster
How? Spells like barrier or pump stats into oblivion?
>2nd
Just shows how long an innovative magic system can go
>octopath
Item classes are underused. Would be awesome, if there are more than one, like a shaman that has white mage spells, but can use items that alter magic like spellcraft.
I don't get what scholar in ot2 does exactly. How's he different form black mage? The op games have a system where xp goes from one character to another. That true for money as well?

>>712925736
bravely default job system is awful for various reasons, if you actually played it you would know

it has all the worst elements of both ff5 and ff3 and is totally schizo conflicting design

>>712930486

not sure, i came back to my pc in prison.

Friend claimed he had gm's pop in while he was watching it and stopped instantly. We did get turned around sometimes, but corrected it quickly, so wasnt sure if it was a bug in the bot or GM's. If you're watching, it should be safe. Id say just set it to random delays.

>>712926724
That's very interesting. I wonder why that sort of thing has been tossed to the wayside. It's more than just crafting recipes, isn't it? Because this guy always intrigued me. Apparently nobody knew his conditions until the devs eventually came out and said "Yeah, we just made his rate abysmally low."?

>>712930642
>We did get turned around sometimes, but corrected it quickly, so wasnt sure if it was a bug in the bot or GM's.
Did this happen with no GMs around? I've had my character slightly move on the odd occasion on its own, it's strange. Mostly on the boat to Selbina. I wonder whether it's just a bug with the boat moving. I wonder whether a GM can spawn and be completely invisible?

Were you angry that you got banned after all that effort?

If I have a group of (unfortunately slightly casual) friends, who I want to make try FFXI but they don't want to pay for it, what private server should I do. I know they're all tranny infested but it doesn't matter as much to me because I would just be playing with my friends wherever I am. What would be the best way to get them hooked?

>>712875502 (OP)
Sometimes it really do be like that tho.

>>712901046
what do you do when you get to 99 ?

>>712930856

Probably Catseye XI.

Ace is very casual. probably like 5x exp all things considered. faster base movement speed so you can escape from monsters. Gives a lot of fast travel options off the bat. Also gives full inventory options and trusts. Trusts let them solo stuff if other folks arent on.

WEW takes away the movement speed, and some of the exp bonuses and trusts.

ACE is like runescape solo self found mode. No trading or auction house allowed. Also gotta earn your inventory.

Horizon is good, but very slow.

>>712930948
Forgive the link but I'm not retyping all of this shit.
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Endgame_Progression_Guide

Also, the list is out of date, there is now also Sortie and Limbus added to the end of the list.

The list also only has "relevant" content - as in, content that actually gives you notable gear upgrades and improvements as you go. There are countless other things to do that are not part of gear / job progression.

FFXI is probably the most content rich game of all time.

>>712930612
More info, what exactly is off putting? Watching videos isn't sufficient to find such flaws. Was curious and might buy it.

>>712931401
>FFXI is probably the most content rich game of all time.
Why? Plenty of mini jobs or huge amount of story content?

>>712928546
You can’t make me go to Bastok.

>>712930506
Spiritmaster specializes in abilties that affect elemental resistances/offenses but it also has a random array of abilities that involve defense. Of note, the most broken one is Stillness, an ability that when activated turns any damage done for the rest of the round into zero. Since BD works off rounds instead of turns (you give all 4 of your characters an order and then watch the round play out according to their speed) you can manipulate your party speed accordingly so everyone goes before the enemy but ensuring your spiritmaster goes AFTER your 3 other characters and uses stillness. Its not perfect because of 20% speed variance but it is very very very broken.

>scholar in ot2 does exactly. How's he different form black mage?
Its not that different but rather its abilities were condensed. The job itself now casts different tiers of magic based on how much you boost the spell instead of learning each tier individually like in OP1 (which ended up being their entire skillset as a result in that game). To make up for the extra skill space they gave them a self random buff and a multi-hit magical attack that hits with different elements at random that can be very useful for breaking enemies if combined with the clerics latent power. Osvald, the character with scholar as his base class, can also perform some very silly magic stacking if supported with someone else using scholar and buffing him with the scholar ability that forces all magic cast to be intensified, this is because osvalds latent is to compress magic from being aoe to single target while increasing the potency further.
What makes this even more interesting is that the warrior character hikari and osvald are both matched in damage but competing for the same advanced job a melee focused job that can equip every single weapon type because osvald can benefit from the equipment options it gives him to stack 3 amplifier weapons of whatever element he wants to use

>>712930506
>The op games have a system where xp goes from one character to another. That true for money as well?
I don’t know what you mean by this. Are you talking about ffxi?

>>712932490
Octopath (op) have 8 characters that each have their team and story, isn't it like that? AFAIK the 8 main characters share inventory and experience.

>>712932116
You in the right thread, anon?
FFXI is the game where the quest to farm 4 bear asses has multiple cutscenes with actual named characters and will go on to lay the groundwork for other quests which tie into storylines, etc. Every single quest in the game is like this.

>>712930671
Yeah, I think it was possible to datamine what spawns in a zone, but not how to actually spawn it since that was all server side logic of going “now make object ID XYZ appear”.
If we had solid concrete datamines of everything I don’t think stupidity like Atnm Test would’ve happened, or schizo Absolute Virtue theories about muh ebon panels.

>>712932839
Is it filler content or genuinely good and enjoyable? Can I watch this on YouTube? Do side quests tie into main quests in a good way?

Do any of the private servers have all the story content?
If not, which is the farthest in?

>>712890076
Mmm that refresh rate on Vermillion cloak

>>712875502 (OP)
Literally playing it right now. Been playing since 2002 and I am still in love with this game--maybe even more so than ever.

Out of all the ways to play this game between the official retail version and private servers, what's the best way to experience it right now?

>>712933572
i remember the sidequest to unlock your own chocobo takes a month to complete

Is Horizon still bumping?

>>712932750
They share inventory and money. All characters join the same party. They do not share experience however, when you win a battle each character gets their own experience and anyone on reserve doesn’t get any.

JP is universal per character however, which means you don’t have to change jobs to learn skills of a job you aren’t currently using on said character, it gives you a lot more freedom in how to setup your party

>>712932116
Just my two cents but “story” isn’t content. If your point of comparison is FFXIV then you’re not gonna get an answer you like.
“Story” content in FFXI is going into a dungeon like psoxja with a party of 6 people, having 2 of them get separated from the group and lost, and dealing with several layers of aggro at multiple turns only to wipe to the boss once you finally reach the end of the complicated non-linear dungeon. Or the same thing but farming a specific item from a specific mob that spawns in the most annoying spot possible.
Is the story good? Yes of course, but as you can see it is not the focus nor does it have to be

>>712934770
recently they actually pushed out a good change for once to make RNG fun to play as. Bows not named Yoichi are still embarrassed by guns and crossbows sadly

You haven't experienced the REAL FFXI if you didn't start your first character in Windurst.

>>712875502 (OP)
Just played through XI recently for the story.
It really is phenomenal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNTpA5LSxO8&list=RDoNTpA5LSxO8&start_radio=1
ENTER THE CHAD ELVES!

>>712935139
My first character was in San D'oria. That's the kino experience. Amazing city music and amazing starter zone music.

i still think pic related's job system has most beat
it's basically FFV's support ability system but with job movesets and passive abilities split into two separate lists
simple yet incredibly effective

>>712932026
most jobs are useless unless you invest a ton of jp into them which comes extremely slow and requires an enormous amount of grinding.
almost all of the jobs unlocked later in game are stronger than the early game jobs, by a lot. the only job that is useful from semi-early game is the spell blade

so essentially early game jobs are not viable long term, most dont even offer decent abilities to sub, but switching jobs makes you a complete and total weakling unable to beat any boss without grinding quite a bit first, esp on hard mode.

so its like ff3 in that later jobs are the only useful ones(besides 1 or 2) and like ff5 where you need to grind jobs for abilities, but unlike in ff5 there is NO baseline functionality at all. even base stats are low without grinding

>>712878470
Back in 2018 there was a discussion between Squenix and a mobile company to basically make a version of the game that was like this that you could play either on your phone or on PC.

>>712878626
I think he means peer2peer play. Not a Souls-Like

>watch some endgame content videos
>usually a couple of guys multiboxing
>support jobs always just sitting there drooling and maybe casting something every five minutes
Should I take like, the GEOpill and get free rides by being a glorified diversity hire or am I missing something crucial here?

>>712934974
Crazy, I was even working on RNG when I last played, snagged an Euryto's Bow

>>712936069
Ebow is a trap. You only use bows until like level 10, after that Crossbows -> Musketeer Gun -> Staurbow / Obow. Endgame is Crossbows for Limbus / Dynamis, Hellfire+1 on Jailers not name JoL + Sky Gods. Culverin +1 on big dick HNMs to rip through their defense. People try arguing bows but they really aren't that good, they work but they lose except for a very few niche scenarios

>>712935783
If you’re a human, and not a dualbox mule, playing GEO in actual content you’re going to be expected to have an Idris and you will be nuking, healing, possibly meleeing, or pulling in order to pull your weight.
Especially in content where Frailty doesn’t just delete the enemy’s defense stat.

>>712935731
They really had me hyped for a minute with that one. Oh well.

Arciella > Naja Salaheem > Lilisette > Prishe > Iroha > Lion > Aphmau

>>712934969
>gives you a lot more freedom in how to setup your party
Strongly dislike this. Make a choice and live with it, but that's an unpopular opinion nowadays.

>>712934969
I'll check out ff12 online. Thought it's like 20 years old.

>>712935535
>almost all of the jobs unlocked later in game are stronger than the early game jobs,
Shit game design imho. This makes the first jobs obsolete.

>>712933572
>Do side quests tie into main quests in a good way?
Usually yes, there are a lot of sidequests that could be main story because of how important the revelations in them are and a lot of characters involved in the main story first appear in sidequests.

>>712937034
Never understood the Naja crap. So many better cats out there and she doesn't even do her own trope (violent dommy) very well.

You are correct that Arciela is the best, though.

>>712936650
Huh I see. How come when jobs like it or COR are unpiloted they don't do any of that? I'm about to wrap up WotG so I've been looking at guides and everything by myself because nobody in-game will talk to me. Been just DNC so far but I never ever see it in videos or Mhaura.

>>712937970
This

>>712937970
>>712937034
All my wives.

My flat chested slampig hotwife Arciela

>>712938125
If you send people whispers they'll respond more often than not, it's actually very easy to start a conversation.

Endgame people won't expect you to have everything, yes not all groups would want a fresh player for the content they are doing but if you are open about being new you can and will find people that don't care and will bring you in and help you along. When I started up again I had multiple people straight up give me items, teach (carryme through really) content that I was unsure of or was doing horribly wrong, or sit and chat about mechanics or content I didn't know much about.

>>712937970
Why can't games look exactly like this?

>>712938661
Established / older players can and should go out of their way to help newer players, because at the end of the day they might not be able to help you with anything yet, but a few months from now they might be the person you need for your last party slot to take down a gaol boss or do a dynamis run or whatever.

Plus, all players had others help them at some point when they were new. The game thrives on passing this on. You never know when someone will be able to turn around and help you later. In FFXI this isn't just a platitude, it is how the game actually works out.

>>712908174
Surprisingly most of the individuals who play private servers and take them seriously are not players who quit "at the top" of XI many years ago and want to return. Most of them are actually people who either did not play XI during the level 75 cap years at all or did so and were filtered at a low level or progress point. The entire reason why they cling so strongly to private servers and why their drama is so disgusting is because it's all about their ego, they so desperately want to be at the top but were unable to in retail so this is their only shot to reach that goal.

The problem? It's all pointless. FFXI way back yonder was never about GETTING something, it was about DOING something. You did content to do it, to compete, to be with your linkshell and your bros, you never expected to get an item because drop rates were terrible and there were so many mouths to feed. The main pillar of the game was it's community and the content existed as a way to get you to interact with them, this fact is lost on private server players who want to min max content, lord their items over others, and do it all on servers that are in fact babyfied versions of past retail. Private servers are simply a snapshot of a time long gone and these people want to exist within that picture frame and show off their worthless achievements.

>>712939179
you aint lying. but 2005 i was a teenager so i didn't really understand the game properly. private servers are a way for me to play it as an adult

>>712937747
Hes not being entirely honest.
Knight one of the first job you get is the best tank the whole way through and remains on par in damage with all other melee jobs you get until all options open up to you, which is when you start using them with two shields as a tank and they can still deal respectable damage this way.
Monk, the first job you get, has the highest possible attack in the entire game at max level and thus the highest possible max damage potential.
White mage and black mage have to be leveled to 14 to enable spiritmaster and arcanist, you also use their skillset the entire game as a sub or as a main it literally never stops being useful.
Valkyrie, one of the water crystal jobs which is the second crystal you awaken, is a part of the most broken cheese setup in the game.
The guy is literally salty and misinforming you. The game is no different in balance or grindy nature than ff5. Another lie he is feeding you is that grinding jobs takes a long time. This is a game where you can adjust the encounter rate and it is incredibly easy to overlevel. You can grind any job you want to 9 easily by chapter 2 in florem and by chapter 5 you can max grind any job to 14 easily by abusing phlogiston and salve maker.
Don’t fall for any ass hole giving you vague hate responses in 4chan 99% chance they are being spiteful

>>712878662
>Only one class with a taunt
There's like 5+ of those even in 75 era. There's also funny ones people keep forgetting about like Counterstance which actually generates almost the same amount of Emnity as Provoke. Also PLDs didn't /WAR in most content

>>712938125
Part of it is because if you’re dualboxing, and not botting on the additional characters it’s usually much and more efficient to just set buffs and then just focusing on managing the main character for most people. FFXI is a game for the most part where buffs are incredibly powerful, stacking many sources of buffs has a multiplicative effect, player characters can get much more potent buffs than even the best Trusts pretty easily so dualboxing is an easy way to increase you/your group’s power level without a ton of investment.
DNC is very good, but it’s off-meta for a couple of reasons including it’s not on Naegling so it can’t just mindlessly spam Savage Blade, it has absolutely ass weapons before making a Twashtar (which itself is pretty ass to make), it’s power level doesn’t show a lot of returns until heavy gearing investment because of the former and how it’s best WSs scale, and most people simply don’t understand or know what it can do.

>>712933572
https://www.youtube.com/@FFXITheMovie

I don't know how complete it is or if there are any other people who do it but this channel has a fuckton of videos showing all the main storylines and a bunch of quest cutscenes. They might not have anything recent but oh well.

>>712939978
They used /war in parties but you are right. Its just provoke is the most reliable “i need hate now” button.

>>712939978
PLDs used /war until /nin was discovered, even then /war was still useful.

>>712878470
>soulsshite
fuck off
XI offline should just be a cooler version of XII with weaponskill macroing as an intended play style, at most it would play like xenoblade

>>712940246
And that is exactly why it shouldn’t exist. The guy suggesting it should be a soulslike is definitely the most retarded post I’ve seen in a while though, thats definitely one thing I’ll agree on

>>712939547
Can't wait for se trannies to ruin picrel.
He truly was lying, if he forgot to add that there are subjobs. Unsure if se has produced a game without grind.
4chan is indeed full of spite, which wasn't always the case. Thanks for the heads up.
As you like vidya: what's the best way to you to allow multiclassing in job systems? Pick one main and one secondary job, sub jobs, dual jobs or something else entirely? While there are decent job systems, like fft2, no game does job combos right imho.

>>712940015
Huh, thx!

>>712939978
The game’s mechanics, especially enmity, were also just complete voodoo to most people during the game’s prime too.
Don’t forget all the superstitions like “the Koenig armor set has CHR on it, so CHR must be good for tanks!”.

Just recently beat Chains in that return campaign which got me to sub again, game is a lot of fun but man is there a lot of shit to learn

>>712939179
>You did content to do it, to compete, to be with your linkshell and your bros,
Damn, I miss doing the weekly dynamis with my LS.

>>712941036
those were the days

>>712940373
Personally I prefer main and sub or the way FFXI does it. Both have their ups and downs since the former allows for a lot more variety of combinations but also lends itself into everyone can do everything territory; it works best when you aren’t a minmaxing subhuman or job choice is limited by something like how races determine your job selection in FFTA1-2.
The latter is probably the best kind to use in a multiplayer aspect. It allows for a lot of variety and interesting combinations without destroying the identity of the job itself.
For example before the sub job cap increase scholar was the only one that could make certain spells aoe, red mage was the only one with convert, etc stuff like that.

>>712937970
For me, it's Prishe.

>>712942249
The fanservice for Arciela was insane

>>712940246
>>712940367
You should actually read his post instead of going blind with rage the instant you saw your trigger word. He was suggesting the Souls style of online play, a single player game with pickup co-op. You sure as shit don't play FFXI if your reading comprehension is this poor.

>>712941727
>everyone can do everything territory
This is exactly what I was waiting for. It's hard to avoid this. There are few feelings worse than finding out that all your characters are everything man. Takes considerable amount of polish to craft a system with plenty of customization options that avoids leading into being a specialist in everything.
>ffta2
The approach is good. Unfortunately even the bigger ttrpg brands are streamlining their races to not be labeled racist. Men and women? Identical stats, careers, attributes. A pregnant barbarian in the frontline? No problem!
Pretty sure the key to design of interesting job systems is restriction. Race, gender, age should all come into play.
>multiplayer aspect
Indeed. A young warrior should play differently than an old one. By adding enough restrictions, it's easier to balance the game as a whole.
>only one do can aoe
Exactly. This ads depth and meaning to choice. AFAIK dnd 5e made it so, that even fighters have magic capabilities, so that fighter 0layers don't feel bored or neglected when mage players throw more dice then they do.

Let's be honest, Lilith is #1.

>>712940012
That's a bit distressing to hear. The DNC guide I read never really put any emphasis on how bad it's grind case gets like that.
>>712938661
I must be very unlucky. I hesitate to call it conversation but some of my tells did spark an initial chat that would always end on something like "So happy to see you in Vana'diel hold on real quick I'll get off my mule :)" only to ghost me. I only try to target players that are by themselves. Would it be better to try the more crowded areas? I always assumed they would be more stuck up. Not on Asura if that matters because I've heard bad things about them

>>712942371
I know what he said. He is still an idiot asking for the game to be not an mmo. Like all the other single player tards that have infested this game when it was taken over and ruined by Yoshidas team.
I will always wonder why people like this who likely skipped on FFXI to begin with because it was an MMO suddenly want it to not be one because they added trusts just so the game could sustain itself. Its the most pathetic shit I will ever see. Its like looking into a group of people having fun with something then getting salty that they aren’t having fun with it how you would want it. Don’t even bother replying if you’re gonna give me some shit like you played FFXI on release either, I am not gonna sit here and pretend that you a singular entity represents every goddamn newfag trying it out now that its too late.

>>712942691
Anyone not on asura is probably antisocial, I'm fairly certain it has more players than the other servers combined.

>>712878470
>local and online coop
100% sure I watched a youtuber on a private server with bot AI like this like 1-2 years ago.

>>712875502 (OP)
I've never finished a FF game because I always get bored like halfway through

>>712943006
try a xi private server, it's a really cool game

>>712942641
I really liked the sin hunters as well

>>712875502 (OP)
That isn't ff x-2

>>712942780
>He is still an idiot asking for the game to be not an mmo.
>I will always wonder why people like this who likely skipped on FFXI to begin with because it was an MMO suddenly want it to not be one
The point of the post is imagining an offline FFXI for the sake of archiving the game in some form, because it WILL shut down one day. Probably sooner rather than later because SE is shitting themselves.
>Don’t even bother replying if you’re gonna give me some shit like you played FFXI on release either
I did. I started playing on NA release day and I still play it. I'm taking my wife through it for the first time at the moment because XIV fell apart and it was a good time to show her where it came from. What the fuck does this even have to do with anything though? Do you think being an oldfag means I want the game to vanish forever someday? I'd love for it to be an MMO forever, but that's not going to happen. It will die, and it will be gone, and the second best thing we can ask for is an archived single player version with co-op.

>>712890151
I'm glad the items crafted are meaningful, but holy fuck the time it takes to level crafting seems so monumental that it really makes me reconsider my life choices.

>>712942797
I did kinda fuck up by picking Phoenix because a couple of years ago I saw everyone here migrate there. Apparently that hasn't been the case in forever and you all moved to Bahamut which I'm told is the "good" popular server.

What other games used the combat system other than FF12 and White Knight Chronicles?

>>712943608
Hipsters, Asura is the most populated server by a longshot and the good far outweighs the bad. Even when working on something like an Empyrean weapon the competition is relatively mild, for most content all you have to do is message your competition and they'll work together with you if the content allows.

>>712942691
Yeah, the typical progression for jobs involves making a Kaja/Ambuscade Weapon, and DNC plateaus pretty hard for a while there since Evisceration just doesn’t really scale well mathematically for the most part, while most melee DDs will grab a Kaja Sword/Naegling from there and both getting a large spike output spike and much smoother scaling, since Naegling is frankly incredible and Savage Blade is one of the strongest weapon skills in the game.
DNC’s lack of attack boosting Job Abilities also means it’s can be rough in low buff/fast kill/low man content where you can feasibly build up Steps on an enemy.
If you have the Mog Bonanza ticket, Onion Sword III is a good pick for DNC since Fast Blade II should scale pretty well with how gearing typically goes.

>>712940246
cash in on bg3's success and make it a crpg.

You should go talk to the Lu Shang's Rod guy in Rabao. You know, the one that makes dick innuendos incessantly when referring to the fishing rod.

>>712943613
Xenoblade is pretty similar.

>>712940246
The truth to it all is that FF12's combat system was them trying to make a single player version of 11's systems. Unfortunately they left out a few important mechanics but it is what it is.

>>712875502 (OP)
XI was the game XIV copied (well..as best as XIV could I'd wager) for Eureka yes?

Does this mean the XIV Baldesion Arsenal entry in all it's esoteric, non-sensical, and completely aggravating nature can be attributed to this game and it's player base correct?

>>712944128
Eureka is like if you had to make XI going only off of the memories of people who last played it over a decade ago, and we never particular deep or good at it.

>>712935535
>so essentially early game jobs are not viable long term, most dont even offer decent abilities to sub, but switching jobs makes you a complete and total weakling unable to beat any boss without grinding quite a bit first, esp on hard mode.
Holy fucking dishonest.
You use knights stomp for at least half the game as the most reliable bp/mp free damage option, it is the best tank with dual shields.
Monk is the highest attack class in the game by job level 14
You’re trying to imply that you DONT sub or level white mage or black mage at all throughout the entire game? Okay good luck using your spiritmasters personal passive then.
You need thief to steal asterisk boss items, which is literally 75% of the game.
Merchant has the money multiplier passive and one of the best BP battery skills on the entire game.
4 Valkyries is the most broken setup in the game.
Ranger has cost-effective damage and synergizes amazingly well with spell fencer.
You need to level up red mage for the bp battery passives for the best bp battery in the game, its also the best sub until you get access to -aga line spells and still remains efficient, especially mp wise, as a healer with healing lore.
Pirate doesn’t hit its stride until you get free lunch from swordmaster, its last skill.
Swordmaster needs a different class or a specific class to enable it.
Templar is only useful for its passives.
Conjurer the last job you get is one of the weakest jobs in the game by itself and you have to enable it by subbing magic, which is weaker than physical on hard mode.

>>712944128
No and No, Eureka had a few name and model drops, most of them nonsensical and used randomly, and the elemental system was an attempt to add in a proper elemental wheel that a FF MMO should have anyway.

Mechanically there was nothing similar aside from the loose concept of "Kill these monsters to spawn a boss monster".

>>712944128
They claimed inspiration from FFXI for Eureka, but the only thing that really transferred were exp chains. There's nothing like Baldesion Arsenal in FFXI.

>>712944215
>>712944583
>>712944624
Fine, you guys get to be off the hook for taking "credit" on fucking up not one but two different adventuring forays in XIV.

I wish I could just carte blanche fucking blame XI and it's player base for Eureka + BA entry and now Forked Tower entry but it's clear that fault gets to land squarely on the XIV devs instead.

I hope the people responsible for these atrocities against mankind are forced to climb a wall of dicks. Absolute god damn shit show, the fact we solved this fucking problem years ago with Delubrum Reginae entry and then they brought the problem back with Forked Tower is some absolute horseshit.

This is the XIV equivalent of the ME3 ending, forever mad.

>>712944128
In FFXI there were single instances for some end game content like Dynamis and Limbus, as in 1 instance for the entire server and only 1 group could enter at a time. It's different from BA where it was a complete free for all but it was still a competition to get in and it could cause drama when groups would get in to an instance before someone else because they 2 or 3 hours to complete.

>>712945056
Believe it or not XI has an immense amount of content and many diverse types of it, it's astonishing to me that XIV hasn't seriously tried to copy any of it because it sure as fuck would help them not make retarded decisions.

>>712945056
What little remained of trying to be XI-2 died after HW. The only thing XIV takes from XI now are it's models and story.

>>712945208
They should copy some of Salvage and Nyzul Isle for the next deep dungeon.

>>712945676
I wish, Salvage was such a good time.

Also good thread see you guys next time.

>>712943983
The only decent upcoming one is swordhaven and fools banquet might turn out mediocre. No crpg wave incoming. Corporations needed almost 15 years to jump the metroidvania train. The next castlevania main title will be a mv.

>>712939547
knight is more or less useless past the early game, tanking is not something you need except for specific bosses and ninja is much better at that, there is also the party invincibility cheese that totally obsoletes both of them

monk is total garbage. you only get its good ability at absolute MAX job level, which wont be until quite late in the game. it forces you to forgo all equipment which means you have no defense or elemental or status protection. it is a total meme that is unusable unless you make an entire team comp to support it. a job that is otherwise useless outside of one ability that is only good after 10 hours of grinding at the endgame for a 1 turn faster boss clear vs post game content is not good design in any world

white mage and black mage being useless except to enable other jobs at end game is even worse and indefensible because those jobs too are useless without leveling them
in the end its nothing but more grinding, the worst aspect of this game

valk is actually a good class though i will admit, its effective without grinding much and while useless at the end of the game doesnt take much time to build up to a usable level

basically you are a moron

>>712946640
Are the bosses in these games octo 12 gimmick bosses!?