Thread 712896669

>Hideo Kojima re-wrote the story of Death Stranding 2 because too many people liked it.
>"I’m going to be very honest, we have been testing the game with players and the results are too good. They like it too much. That means something is wrong; we have to change something." Kojima told Woodkid half-way through production
>Kojima then "changed stuff in the script and the way some crucial stuff happens in the game", because he was afraid it wasn't "polarising enough and not triggering enough emotions".
> "If everyone likes it, it means it’s mainstream. It means it’s conventional. It means it’s already pre-digested for people to like it. And I don’t want that. I want people to end up liking things they didn’t like when they first encountered it, because that’s where you really end up loving something."
Is he right?

Yes, he is right.

>>712896669 (OP)
Yes.

Sounds like pre-prepared damage control for when DS2 gets absolutely SCHLONGED by E33 at The Game Awards

Sounds like he's gotten very far up his own ass. Most great authors would write what they wanted to write, and not get caught up in the wants of others. This poser just wants to be seen as some kind of visionary genius, when in reality he's a complete hack who thinks different = good.

Fucking retard

>>712896669 (OP)
His work is already mainstream though, kojimino really thinks he's some obscure artist? kek

>>712897049
yes and no, many authors considered great were just kneeling to what people wanted them to write (consider the many "great writers" who published periodically, stories in small parts, etc.). note: I'm not saying they were objectively great. anyway there's no point in forcing it kojima is a retard, whoever you are will always appear in your work

2019
>It's a walking simulator and that's a good thing. Americans love shooting games and Death Stranding is not
2025
>Okay, I added more shooting
After play testing
>Okay, It's meant to be bad

>>712897143
The thing is Kojima got paid to do a podcast and some shitty documentary on Disney+ because of people memeing him as a genius, it's easy money for him especially since he probably blew all his Konami redundancy money on buying a new studio.

>my gamu is become too conventshunal and mainstream i rust fix this
*hires dozens of hollywood actors*

>>712896669 (OP)
I love how this triggers so many zoomer trannies hahaha

>wants certain reactions from the audience
>fails to get said reaction
>goes back and redoes it
Literally nothing wrong with aiming for a certain reaction with your work.

Any idiot who says that out loud is not an actual author but a poser.

>>712897143
Well yeah, they had to make a living after all so of course lots of them churned out shit to get paid. That said I still think the ones who pioneered genres (the sort of person Kojima clearly aspires to be) did so because they had an idea that didn't fit within the usual conventions and just wrote it. It was organic. They didn't do it just to be different for the sake of it (of course some did, hacks like Kojima have existed since the dawn of man.)

With that said though, I don't think he's always been like this. It's interesting that Kojima is too dumb to realise that part of the reason his vision is mainstream is because he helped shape the current mainstream. Games like MGS1 played a huge part in creating the current game industry. But the reason that game was so successful wasn't because he created it to challenge the norms, or be different for the sake of it, he created it because he wanted to be a filmmaker but was stuck in the games industry. So he made a game that channelled his love of action movies, and because it was a labour of passion, it found a huge audience.

His later games feel far less organic. It feels like he wants to be somebody who constantly pushes the medium forward, but he has reached his limit and now is forcing it by intentionally writing shit that goes against the norms just for the sake of it.

>>712896669 (OP)
He is absolutely right.
And I'm very sad that he is one of the only remaining creative minds in games that thinks like this.

>>712896669 (OP)
>jigga who makes his games by slopping together tropes and characters from his favourite westaboo action movies thinks he's an original artist
kek

kojima could shit on a plate and his retarded cultbase would still love it

>>712896669 (OP)
He's just obsessed with pulling a MGS2 again, again, again. He did it to mgs3 and mgs5 and now probably this. Expect norman to die and you play as the girl or something.

>>712896669 (OP)
he didnt rewrite it you fucking squizo
stop mixing lies

>>712896669 (OP)
>we need to be contrarian for the sake of it!
He really lost his touch.

>I want people to end up liking things they didn’t like when they first encountered it, because that’s where you really end up loving something.
I think Kojima is a faggot but he is right about this.

>>712896669 (OP)
You need to understand the story to like it to begin with, nice bait but whoever wrote this needs to know how to come up with better bullshit

>>712896669 (OP)
I dunno if he really said all of that or not but it absolutely sounds like some hack fraud hipster shit he would say while sniffing his own asshole. All he can think about is STORY MUH STORY MUH CELEBRITIES AND EMOTION AND ACTORS in what is supposed to be a fucking video game but ds2 already showed gameplay and it's just more of the same basic assets included in the decima engine, just generic third person shit with nothing new. Absolute dogshit game director.

>>712898265
Except his testers are most likely his sycophants so the will like whatever trash he shits out so the most likely thing that will happen is that his rewrites will make it more normie friendly and nothing else.

>>712896669 (OP)
Literally applies the same principle that good underground music is built upon. Dude is a genuine artist.

KONAMI was right

>>712896669 (OP)
>Is he right?
Kojima is always right.

>>712896669 (OP)
if /v/ was a game dev

>>712896669 (OP)
I refuse to play a game with hollywood actors

>>712897817
>forcing it by intentionally writing shit that goes against the norms just for the sake of it.
I don't think he was that bad of a guy originally but yeah he got broken by success, he probably lost sight of himself. Too bad but he had his time in the sun, he used to make fun cliché riddled stuff, now he thinks he's above it when he's clearly not.

>>712896669 (OP)
Source?

>>712896935
>at The Game Awards
No way. Geoff sucks Kojima's cock at every event, even when he has no games to show. It might be the one GOTY award DS2 actually has a good chance of winning.

>>712897817
This. Death Stranding is the most contrived generic slop ever created. Not a single original idea. Kojima wants to replicate MGS's success, but he doesn't understand you cannot just make that type of success occur.

>>712900414
Give me Japanese actors and then we'll talk. Why's this Japanese man so obsesses with America?

>>712897453
It triggers millennial fags. zoomies loved the game.

>>712902407
This. It fits right in their TikTok lifestyles by being fast paced, easy, has no failstate, full of popular celebrities, and a story that gets repeated over and over and over again so you don't have to worry about missing anything.

Even Kojima knows the game sucks. He's gone back to making stealth/action games (physint)

>>712902407
On the contrary.
It's the GenZ "content creators", especially Amerimutts, that bashed the game 24/7 for being "soooo sloooww and boring!!", where as the actual GenY GAMERS loved its Zen vibes and subtle societal subtexts delivered via gameplay.

Case of point 1: the game did only "okay" on Piss4, THE zoom zoom system of them all, but instantly sold millions the day it was released on PC.

>>712896669 (OP)
No. And only people riding his dick will agree with him.
If he didn't want his shit to be "mainstream" he wouldn't be bragging about number of players (lol) that played DS1.

Kojimbo does it again.

>>712896935
>E33
to the exact point kojambles makes in his rant, any game as pre-digested as that slop needs someone to come in and make changes to it. Someone also needs to come in an decapitate anyone that was saying "JRPGs are saved" as a reaction to it but that's a separate issue

>>712896669 (OP)
>doesn't want the game to go mainstream
>casts a bunch of hollywood actors and directors
Is he retarded?

>>712896669 (OP)
This is just meme damage control because he knows EX33 is gonna fuck his chances at an award. You don’t have to be a subversive faggot for the sake of subversion just to get people talking. What Kojima is doing is how we got The Last Jedi.

Based Kojimbo

>>712896669 (OP)
>my game will be batshit stupid and pretentious

Yes we knew that already.

>>712896669 (OP)
This is what a hack looks like. Take notes.

>>712897143
He's not sniffing his own farts, he's sniffing the farts from losers who are sniffing their own farts.
Retards that want to feel cultured and deep egg him up, they build his work up like it's some cosmic secret only a few can comprehend and enjoy. Not because they like him but so they can base their personality around enjoying secretive deep media.

>>712896669 (OP)
He's not wrong. If he manages make me like a story I wouldn't otherwise then I'd tie those kind of stories to his game.
But did he ever think that players liking the game, was a result of that? That players was giving high scoring to the game because it invoked emotions in them and in return they gave emotionally high scores?

>>712904668
Retarded AI jeet

>>712896669 (OP)
If literally anyone but Kojima said this they would have gotten mocked to hell and back but he has so many cock suckers that they treat him as a visionary. This comment is really just him huffing his own farts because he wants to be seen as some life changing auteur. Peddling the idea that something universally liked can't influence people and generate emotion shows how much of a fucking poser he is. Each and every day it gets proven that Konami was right for kicking him to the curb.

>>712906676
>reiterates the same point everyone else in the thread is making
>"Nobody thinks like me! I alone am a free thinker!"
This is what sheep mentality looks like.

>>712899262
The "quote" is from a real article from RollingStone but the person who gave it is the co-composer of the game who was being interviewed, so it's all hearsay.

>>712896669 (OP)
sauce?

>>712896669 (OP)
>doing the opposite of what dumb playtesters like
Wish more devs did this.

channeling his inner Itagaki

Any leaks? or review when?

>>712909863
Embargo lifts on june 23.

>>712908952
Rolling Stone Magazine interview with Woodkid, go pick up a copy at your local CVS.

>>712896669 (OP)
then why is the retard putting celebs and e-celebs in his game? thats the most mainstream shit you can do

>>712910335
If it's so mainstream then why does no other developer do it?

>>712910303
ayo

>>712910303
me on the right

>>712896669 (OP)
The game is totally having a MGS2 tier twist

>>712896669 (OP)
This is the same reason why he didn't finish MGSV

let him cook

>>712910663
>why he didn't finish MGSV
He didn't finish MGSV because Konami got fed up with how long it was taking and told him to ship it. They then found out he'd been screwing around making a Silent Hill game and they fired him.

>>712896669 (OP)
He's coping for when E33 sweeps all the awards.

>>712910816
>They then found out he'd been screwing around making a Silent Hill game and they fired him.
Nice try, faggot

>>712896669 (OP)
I kind of see where he's coming from but
>I can't possibly be making something that is new and good enough for "everyone" to love it
He might have been onto something awesome

>>712896669 (OP)
based

>>712897254
Spbp

If this hack can claim to be a ideas guy and turn into director, you can too. Fun fact, he started out as an accountant at konami

>>712902901
Don't care. JRPGs are saved.