Thread 712901569

What are some good motivity/strength weapons? Right now I use the Holy Sword of Ark with its amazing spear mode, and also the police baton handle with the wrench head which seems to do a lot of damage but is not that fun. I'm in thevillage with the black rabbit brotherhood taunting you.

>>712901569 (OP)
>Holy Sword of Ark with its amazing spear mode, and also the police baton handle with the wrench head
That'll pretty much do it. I'd replace the wrench head with Bone-cutting Saw once you find it.

How do I kill the crocnigger in the DLC? His moves are near impossible to read. Blocking is useless, I've had better luck dodging.

>>712901569 (OP)
I heard this is a parry game.

Bone-cutting Saw with Dancer's Curved handle was my go to for most of the game.

>>712901779
His moves are not impossible to read at all. 90% of his attacks have a huge windup with him raising his head or opening his mouth. The most confusing thing are his tail swipes but he has tells for those too.

>>712901569 (OP)
Sword of the Ark is solid for a lot of main game. Puppet Axe is good for hooking yourself for mad damage, especially with faster handles. The DLC has several very strong motivity options, and the penultimate boss of the main game has the unga bunga club of anyone's dreams.

Screw motivity, what's a good TECHNIQUE weapon. My wintry rapier from the start is +3, and I just got to the cathedral. It's alright but idk if I wanna use this the whole game.

>>712904701
The glaive you start with is good. It flows well and does good damage. Most of the daggers are good with pretty high damage and speed. The katana you get from the junkyard boss is really good if you master it but only okay if you can't get to its high skill ceiling. DLC has 2 different strong technique boss weapons and some neat options for regular weapons.

>>712902208
you can beat whole game by just parrying or by just rolling, but the most effective way is to combine both of them
some bosses are easy to parry, and when you parry them a lot then their weapon will break, and they will do basically no damage to you then

is there any use for the arm of god you fet after merking simon?

>>712906506
nah, maybe in the sequel

For the boss memory fights, would u say difficulty 2 is equal to the base game

>>712907069
i assumed it was 3

>>712907176
nah 3 does does a lot more damage than base game

>P-Organ ability
>Partially charges Fable when using Pulse Cells
Game should just give you max Fable when you respawn/use a stargazer

>>712907176
3 makes bosses 3 shot you

>>712904701
Booster Glaive is really good. Blind man's spear, which you find in the cathedral, is also an excellent weapon. Blind man's heavy attacks can block and parry, which is particularly good on the charge attack. The charge attack has low range, but the block frames make it extremely spammable and safe.

>>712907350
Get Fable Catalyst passives and higher item carry limit. Fable arts are insanely powerful and enemies drop Catalysts like candies.

>>712902208
Retards say that due to their lack of intellect. Block and dodge are good enough for almost any situation. The game is not designed around parrying everything.

Am I the only guy that thinks this game is average? It feels like the entire fanbase thinks this game is the best Soulslike, meanwhile everyone that doesn't like it thinks it's shit. Almost nobody considers it to be average

>>712907742
>Almost nobody considers it to be average
There is one: Me. I played it and it was ok. But not the best 'soulslike' there is and I wouldn't play it again, not even the dlc. It doesn't turn me on to turn it on.

>>712907868
Yeah I just got to the final DLC boss and there really was nothing special or memorable about the DLC. The puppet lady duo boss was a cool concept and the final boss looks cool but that's about it. The game just feels to much like Sekiro at home for me to consider it to be a great Soulslike.

>>712907742
Nah its the greatest soulslike. It masterfully tells a story while having some of the most fun combat ive had.

What's the point in giving the opera singer an apple? I didn't get anything from her.

>>712908338
You have to return to her after you beat the boss

>>712901779
I dodge to the left, and remember which attack sequence ends with the delayed tail swipe

>>712901569 (OP)
>motivity weapon
Pinwheel handle with a lighter blade
Baton with a heavier/longer blade
Curved bramble handle with puppet axe head, modify handle to motivity
Basically anything that plays as close to fast weapons as possible because later bosses have 0.17272892 seconds of idle time before they launch their next 500 hit combo

>ignore fable arts
>equip amulet that increases melee dmg based on how much mana i have
simple as

>>712907742

The only souls game that are better than Lies of P are Elden Ring, Bloodborne and maybe Sekiro. LoP is better than everything else imo. It punches way above its weight and is in no way "average" when it can stand toe to toe with the greatests.

It also has the best weapons ever put in a soulslike, not even Bloodborne's trick weapons are better than the arsenal in LoP

>>712907350
There's a charge fable on respawn, I think it recovers 3 bars if you spend the extra upgrade on it

>>712908539
>mana
wha

>>712901569 (OP)

I've been rocking the Acidic blade with the pinwheel handle. Ends up with an amazing moveset

>>712908601
I prefer the speedy dashy based combat in Bloodborne at least. It looks cool as fuck especially when it comes to hunter vs hunter fights.

>>712908629
I'll probably get it then. The only real threat in this game is the bullshit bosses.

>Oh I'm sorry, were you having too much fun?
>Let's do something about that...

>>712908839
Don't stand in its attacks like a tard.

>>712908839
The wanker of illusions...

>>712908601
I'd replace Lies of P with Nioh 2 and would easily put Sekiro above Lies of P.

>find the long ugly sawblade
>find the machete
>put sawblade on machete handle
that thing is crazy

>>712909029
It is kind of a shame that there are all these cool looking and unique weapons but the best thing in the game is just the fuck off big saw.

>Lea's sword
Who needs this shit, GUNBLADE ALL THE WAY

>>712907742
I think it gets extra points for being the studio's second ever game and they got so much right in that first attempt, there are established studios that have tried and failed to do the same thing
the customizable weapons, the legion arm, the fable arts, having a recharging heal as a come-back mechanic, the combination of rolling, parrying and guarding and make it very fun to play, the only complaint is the lack of exploration and linearity, but even then, I also really enjoy the more focused experience, it's the most engaging soulslike by far for me

>>712908839
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/c8zcfRoRESs

>>712909423
Based gunblade enjoyer

>>712909497
I'd say the game also suffers from taking some Souls "tropes" too far. Too many bosses have multiple phases and too many of those bosses have retardedly long attack strings where you have to avoid for 30 seconds to get two hits in. Still a good game but there are some issues.

>>712909549
>dude just spam throwables
Did not beat the game.

>the people of Krat hail Lea as a legendary badass
>she was just a single mom trying her best(and often failing) for her two adoptive kids

>>712909664
Yeah, I don't mind mix-ups or some long attacks that are clearly meant to be dangerous, but some bosses have combo strings that are just obnoxiously long and then have really small openings, I think its better to have shorter but more dangerous combos than super long ones
>>712909732
It's funny, on the one hand, its nice that throwables are powerful and a viable means to inflict status/stagger/damage from a distance, giving them high value. On the other hand, it can almost feel like cheating, especially with high advance where your status throwables inflict tons of damage for basically nothing

Ive never used throwables to an extent where they werent just used to get somethings attention

>>712909910
Lea was basically a tard wrangler

speaking of throwables, they completely nerfed the shot puts didn't they?

I've been hard stuck on arlecchino for 2 hours, and I've only been to phase 2 a handful of times. Is phase 1 supposed to be really difficult or is this a skill issue? It's hard to react to a lot of the fast combos and mixups he does, and from what little I've seen of phase 2, his moveset seems completely different so nothing I learn in phase 1 will carry over. I'm on NG+5 and legendary stalker difficulty for reference

>>712901569 (OP)
I'm playing the game going for Tecniqhe and for now my build has been
>Rappier -> Buster Sword -> Fire knife + Buster sword handle -> Trident
And now that I've killed the puppet king I've changed to it's weapon.

I need dark moons like a motherfucker

>>712901569 (OP)
>Holy Sword of Ark with its amazing spear mode
Also went for that the first gameplay. But the bonecutting saw with an adequate handler ended up being my main weapon.
Not sure if slow weapons will work for the DLC. The few times I checked a fast weapon, it was easymode.

>>712910087
the best tard wrangler around
no wonder those kids loved her

Lea deserved a long life and happiness.

>>712909664
>>712909952
Fast weapons can attack enemies mid combo

>>712909664
The long combos are not really an issue with parryslop because you are damaging the enemy stamina instead of rolling around doing nothing like in rollslop

>meet Alidoro(the real one this time)
>he's every bit the stoic heroic chad he's supposed to be

>>712910350
Yeah but I signed up for Bloodborne not Sekiro.

>>712907742
It's the most mid game I have played. It's just okay, not good, not bad. Nothing of the gameplay hooked me. The story didn't hook me either. No idea if it was becaue eI played Motivity, but that was my experience with the game. I remember being more engaged with Code Vein.

>>712910347
Femboybros, we won.

>>712910378
I love the fact he mentions how he can't openly be close to his little sister because the alchemists will go after her, confirmed after helping him out with the ciphers

>>712909910
>a woman is the most skilled warrior in the world
wokage

>>712910268
Geppetto probably captured her and buttfucked her to death with his old cock relentlessly until the beginning of the game.

>>712910164
I think if you're stuck on phase 1, it might be a skill issue. Then again, I played on NG+ so maybe the damage scaling is just fucked on NG+5.
But yeah, phase 2 is just retarded.

>Buy game about fighting cool out of control robot puppets
>Third of the way through the puppets are abandoned for generic monster shit
Big disappointment.

>>712911579
No she's undeniably killed on the spot there

>>712911019
i love how if you reveal to her that hes her brother then she gets upset because she doesnt understand why it needed to be that way. and the only way to get the good outcome was to lie to her about him. just the little things in this game, ive never played any game like this its just brilliant

>>712911579
That might explain why the Nameless Puppet was nothing but seething hatread

>>712911671
Nah her dead body would be there when we return, NP wouldn't just throw it in the trees or bury it in the snow. So she probably became an anal slave.

damn, wish i had the upper body strength to climb

>>712911885
What's got you so mad? You seem upset.

>>712911965
wut

>>712911920
>can punch gates open
>except the small flimsy electric ones

>>712911676
They use the lies gimmick smartly, it's not lying for the sake of lying, it's lying to spare other people's feelings, to reassure them, to make them have their faith rewarded, to make them feel like they mattered

>>712908657
Fable charges

>>712908657
If you're using a weapon with shit fable arts then this thing is just a free 20% extra damage

where does the dlc start is it like souls where you find a new npc to start it or do you pick it on the main menu

why is the joker the final boss

Just beat Arlecchino, very fun boss.

>>712913276
After chapter 9, the game tells you where to go.

>>712901569 (OP)
>>712903046
these are all excellent options.
i also liked the pneumatic drill.
very situational super high damage if you can manage it with charged heavy and very strong pokes.
the R2 is a quick one-two that lets you retreat

>>712908839
>>712908950
>fast as shit attacks that move her forward
this bitch was basically untouchable with standard attacks with my big weapons.

i had to dunk on her with 20 throwables and fable arts hyperarmor

>>712910138
you're not supposed to throw them all at once
space them out and they work like a charm still

Two questionjs about the king of puppets. What am I meant to do in phase 2 when his eyes glow red and he grabs you? Parrying doesn't seem to work. And how the fuck do I get time to sharpen my blade? Right now I'm failing because my weapon degrades but he's so aggressive so I get no time to sharpen

>>712911421
Did you not see P go full Vergil on Arlecchino after beating him in the dlc? Lea is strong but I think P has surpassed the master at this point.

>>712913981
Dodge
Venigni emergency repair tool
Dodging left is a good strat against phase 2, especially against the chimpout combo

>>712913981
phase 2 is for dodging instead of parrying
and if you can't find time to grind then equip a repair kit

How did some random koreans mog fromsoft in their own game? The combat is some much better than from's except maybe Sekiro (if you ignore that you can break sekiro's combat by just mashing the parry button)

>>712908601
>Elden Ring
Open world that doesn't reward you for exploring and has ridiculously overused bosses. The boss design is the worst From has ever done too, I'd even take DS2 bosses over the shit in ER.
>Bloodborne
Ah yes, I love having to farm for blood vials and bullets. Most of the bosses are shit too.
>Sekiro
Not a soulslike.

how we feeling about the dorothy sequel lads? i hope we get some sort of comfy co-op with larger play areas without going full open world. the quality of life improvements they put in for overture has me excited to see if the sequel is a big leap. are koreans devs becoming the best of both western and japanese industries?

Doing boss rematch on Andreus, how the hell do you survive the big blue blast he does in phase 2? do I just try to dodge it?

>>712914736
long work hours and no DEI hires. seems like korean devs are just competent with unreal engine (stellar blade).

>>712915183
>how
The answer is usually dodge

>>712909423
Gunblade is in the running for my favorite moveset of any Souls game
>fast and strong r1 chain
>charged r2 has insane range
>follow-up r2 can close the distance instantly
>r1 to non-charged r2 is fast as hell
>fable art to increase all r2 damage
>sound design is perfect
10/10 weapon

>>712915115
I want more branching paths and better exploration in general.
I don't care for co-op.
>>712915183
You can dodge it or just run to the side, since he shoots in front and behind of him?

>>712915115
Mad excited for it because NOTHING has fully capitalized on Oz, which I think is the single best American-thing in existence.
Really hoping for multiple protags, with Dorothy being a spellcaster type, or at least less upfront melee.
As much as I love Korean devs, they're still behind in the grander scale to the chinese, but the chinese only make lives service games, thus Korea #1.

>>712915326
>one charge to dodge out of the way
>one charge to get back in the action
>shotgun blast to the face to top it off
It's just fucking SEXO

>>712910164
>I'm on NG+5 and legendary stalker difficulty for reference
That will definitely make things much harder - the game wasnt well tuned for high NG+ cycles being your first exposure to these new bosses (though I think by that many cycles the game probably SHOULD be pretty unforgiving)

>>712915403
true about chinese but i think another factor is the talent pool is just sheer population numbers from their side

>>712914736
Because they’re more humble and know what is and isn’t fun about soulslikes. It’s just little things like putting your souls outside the boss room, letting you teleport immediately, adding boss rematch/boss rush, adding in a training dummy room, etc. They also communicate more and admit mistakes and aren’t afraid to tune stuff up or down, something HACKazaki won’t do unless he’s forced to.

TLDR: They respect the players, Miyazaki doesn’t.

Can the king of puppet amulet increase legion arms to its max rank? I can't remember if it's good or not

as someone who hates ng+ shit is it possible to do a "perfect good ending" run for this game or does it require multiple playthroughs?

>>712916275
I think thats how it works but I tried it once and couldnt figure it out
If you're doing a Tech build or just want all the cheevos then I say grab the weapon - otherwise get the amulet and try it out

>>712916429
Cool. I run a motivity build so amulet it is.

>>712916294
You can get the best ending in one playthrough
But if you want the achievement for getting all records then you need to do one NG+ run since a lot of records are only sold then
Ng+ and NG++ also unlocks some new P-Organ upgrades to play witj

>>712901569 (OP)
starting a new playthrough aside from holy sword ark and police baton and wrench any other suggestions? I played before this glaive got added and respec was introduced earlier so idk quite what ill do but im not sure about doing another dex run using the katana again so im looking for fun options. Im dumb and forgot nearly everything so ill take pretty much any build suggestions now. I do vaguely recall something about super late game B on two stats for scaling is better than one S rank but idk if thatll matter. I also vaguely remember not caring about the P organ and unlocked nodes but I imagine upgrades are pretty straight forward.

>Korean AA game
>Smooth animations, great gameplay and high quality
>Japanese AA game
>Anime-styled 32432478324th game that looks shit and plays really janky
Koreans are really superior to japs, huh?

>>712916684
>korean [thing]
>fujos crawl out of the woodwork for it
Why?
Why is it always korean stuff that attract the crazies?

>>712916698
who cares theyre the same kind of insects

>>712916684
Admittedly I always found the police baton handle a bit TOO good early on so a lot of motivity runs end up falling back on it
But if you put a Motivity crank on a booster glauve handle woth a greatsword on the head that can be a fun build

>Baton handle
>biggest blade you can find
Simple as

>>712916830
idk I just think the boys are cute and have good designs and personalities. Also needed to ask if the steam guide for 100% achievement/completion is any good. Im at 36/53 from my first run and I think I only missed the records, trinity sanctums and the other endings.

>>712916275
The description is MTL as fuck. What the amulet ACTUALLY does is increase the SCALING of the arms by one level (ex. B>A). It's really bad.

>>712916684
puppet sexo

>>712912209
>>712911920
To be honest considering how his punch is canonically his strongest attack (unless you could learning judgement cut after the DLC) it's always a little funny to me how he's just like "Uh guess I'll go the long way instead of annihilating everything"

>>712917667
Gepetto didn't add in a "vault over shit" feature
Please understand

>>712917320
That could actually be really useful for Cataclysm-ing through the whole game
But yeah shit description then

>>712917667
He has enough tard strength to literally send that giant DLC guardian flying. Would be funnier if he never had to look for any keys and just punches through walls.

>>712917993
Yeah it actually adds a ton of damage to offensive arms if your stats are high. Very useful on ng++ specifically.

>fucked up getting one of the records on ng+
>pissed because i have one achievement left, start running through ng++ at breakneck speed shredding everything with pale knight and rose sword combo
>teleport back to hotel
>get achievement anyway with one record missing
Not sure why that happened but I'm sure as hell not gonna complain
Favorite DLC record /v/ros?

>>712917326
incredibly sexo. Even moreso when you think about this >>712917667 and just how strong he is. But he can also be kind and (possibly) loving and not just outright kill everything around him. Plays into the idea of choosing the hard task of building a future instead of unga bunga destroying everything.

I heard a rumor you can give elemental infusions to the Icarus

>>712918837
>>712917315
>oh actually I'm a gay pedophile, I just steal art from twitter
Good to know

>start new playthrough
>Golden Lie is not fully erect
Hate this shit.

>>712918837
sauce

>>712901569 (OP)
I used both the holy sword and baton + wrench the whole base game.

>>712919112
>baton + wrench
Redpill me on this. Is it a meme? Why's everyone gushing over it.

>>712917072
>baton handle
>mjolnir head
Hammer Time

>>712907742
>Am I the only guy that thinks this game is average?
Yes.

>>712918963
Do you personally draw all the images you post? That's pretty impressive. Also you cant be gay or a pedo for a drawn fictional character lmao. Think you may have taken the last riddle about being a killer too far..

>>712919154
nta but i remember police baton handle being pretty great, used it for one playthrough. right now using the big pipe as the blade but with a different handle and that is great too, so combining them should be good

The baton handle makes you swing your weapon extremely fast, pair it with a heavy high damage head and you get absurd DPS
The only drawback is you have basically zero range

>>712919302
>Also you cant be gay or a pedo for a drawn fictional character lmao.
Ah yes, the timeless "I'm not ack-shually a gay pedophile, please don't check my hard drive" excuse
How close are you to the jannies?

>>712919154
Fast-ish strength weapon with really high stagger. The Charged R2s fuck shit up. Some basic enemies can be nearly stunlocked just by mashing R1.

>>712919310
meant for
>>712919154

>>712919154
It's the perfect combination for raw damage/stagger
>handle fable art increases damage of the hit
>this turns your R2s into a huge hit
>better yet, this stacks with the fable art on the wrench head, fully charged, it does absolutely wild damage
>staggers very easily
>attacks in a vertical arc, meaning its unlikely it will be caught on the environment
really, its only weakness is low range, but its pros outweigh it handily

>>712919154
For me I prefered the baton handle and the Living Puppet Axe
But you dont get that blade until later so the wrench is a good other option

>>712919154
That's the speedrunner weapon

>Your ergo gets shoved into a puppet
>You awaken to it
>Its in the body of these things

>>712919916
I invented the chode! and thousands of other people
Speedrunners stole it from me!

>Icarus
>Puppet of the Future's Welder Blade
Kino

>>712920242
Icarus is nice for free damage but the insane damage on the shotgun is hard to turn down

>>712920293
Cataclysm has one huge weakness, if there's any pit around you WILL fall into it.

>Weather changes
>Always come back here to look at the city
This is the best place to see everything.

Finding a build that looks and feels good for my next playthrough is starting to annoy me. It might just be because I got back into DMC with 5 recently because it was on sale and the combat options in DMC feel good even if its just lots of airhike abuse. At least lies of P has the puppet line grapple.
>>712919059
took me longer than id like to admit for me to find them again. "nsf_ko".
>>712919415
listen dude you should get some mental help if you think killing people ingame is turning you into a killer irl, there's help if you're getting urges.

>>712920684
redpill me on aegis

>>712908601
>t. person who started playing Souls games with DS3
Lies of P maps and progression are basic as fuck and there's barely any enemy variety, Des, Ds1 and Ds3 mogs it in this regard

>>712920739
>barely any enemy variety
retard

>>712920707
>no I'm not a le hecking gay p-p-p-p-p-p-p-pedophilerino, you should take some therapy btw my sweet summer child

EVERY

SINGLE

TIME

>>712920739
One of the biggest strengths of lies of p is how there are so many unique enemies actually, only a couple keep getting reused. Also ds3 has the least amount of variety below every other souls game

>>712920727
It's free damage

>>712920707
>nsf_ko
can't find this particular art on his twitter nor kemono

>>712915326
Theres also the running r1, being a jump and overhead slam it combines perfectly with the r2 for a poke and retreat combo

>>712920727
Free damage plus you can attack while holding it up, so if something is giving you trouble just block and attack them, might need to reload it from time to time if its a miniboss or something.
I killed the 2nd phase of the nameless puppet like that, electricity on my weapon and blocked, reloaded when he was stunned.

I've been stuck at Arlecchino for 3 days now, it's fucking over for me

>>712920860
yknow what ill humor you. Why do you think theres a connection between acts with fictional characters and acts with irl ones? I also wish I could get SSS ranks and teleport irl like dante or do sick movement like in this game(like just jumping vertically by 10 feet during certain moves) but I know there's a separation between fiction and reality. You must have had some intense awakening after trying SOMETHING irl that you tried in a game first so I gotta know what it was.

>>712921431
tldr, gay pedophile

>>712921431
you’re talking to a third worlder babboon. it isn’t sentient. it’s like speaking to a dog or a tree. don’t waste your time

>>712920727
If I ever have issues with bosses I toss it on put up my shield and win. Just get your capacity to 50 in NG+ at least and you can just use it the entire fight and win

>>712921648
>babboon
Gay pedophiles are ESL confirmed

>>712920862
>>712920789
>Robot
>Big robot
>Robot dog
>Legless robot
>Carcasses versions of the above that have the same moveset plus 1 different attack
That's pretty much it for 90% of the game

>>712921853
You've literally not played the game

>>712921431
>Just because I want to suck a cock doesn't I'll suck a cock
Does it matter? You're a faggot regardless

>>712921960
Cope

>>712921360
Give in to the kino.
Your pride is worthless.

Why were people comparing the final boss phase 2 move with Malenia waterfowl? He gives you like 2 chances to heal during the combo and the move is way more telegraphed. It's not even close to waterfowl

>>712921853
It's true for the base game except for exploding puppet, fast angry puppet, giant puppet with different weapons, miner bots, spitting carcass, exploding carcass, wheel puppets that throw stuff, shield bots, drill bots, swordsman puppet, British rifleman puppet, machine gun with a mask, Alex Louis Armstrong, tall alchemist with cane, tall alchemist with sword, muscular carcass, and grabber carcass

>>712920987
Was a commission from "SBS_Arta" idk if that'll help at all.
>>712919154
what's something like this setup but not exactly the same so I can swap weapons sometimes for variety. Sometimes this game reminds me of bloodborne and I played that game from the start with saw spear and then grabbed beasthunter saif, with those 2 I played the whole game AND chalice dungeons. Fucking loved the saif moveset(but there was one mob that itd whiff on and I think it was the small spiders). Always considered returning to do a playthrough with the scythe or twinblade but never did. Also kinda regret never doing a run with ludwigs cause ive seen so many people talk about it. Been playing Nightreign a lot but mostly cause I feel addicted to the grapple movement and freestyling the movement on the archers spammable dash.

>>712922687
>"SBS_Arta
bingo found it ty

>>712922148
see >>712920789

>>712922650
Because people are retarded.

>>712921360
Just have Lea help you for the exclusive dialogue/fatal attack
then go back and fight him in the boss rematch arena if you wanna solo him

>>712922989
I am rematching him

>>712923085
in that case, good luck anon, you'll get him

>arlecchino celebration posts
>0 replies
>arlecchino so hard bro it's over for me
>78 replies telling them to summon Lea
what causes this phenomenon?

>>712919154
Used to be the speedrunner weapon before glaive was put in, that’s all you need to know.

>>712923324
The fact that the dialogue is different and the fatal attack is raw, unfiltered kino, its a good suggestion for your first time
you can just do the boss rematch if you wanna knock him out solo, you aren't missing anything by using Lea for that fight

>>712923324
Similar psychology as getting better answers if you say something that is clearly wrong and people correct you than asking the thing you want in the first place.

>>712923372
Glaive is a speedrun weapon moreso because it can be used to cross over level geometry and sequence break more than anything else

>>712923085
rematch level 3 is harder than base level
rematch level 1 and 2 are easier
source: Sure does fucking feel like it
And the earlier bosses have way more HP than when you encounter them, even on level 1, so we do know that the balance for the rematch mode is different than what you fight when you first encounter a boss.

>>712923372
what the hell does the glaive even do?
is it the parry fable art?
half the handles in this game have a parry

>>712923372
>that’s all you need to know
fuck you I used it first

>>712923569
>Fighting Arlekino in the game normally, he kills me in 4-5 hits (legendary stalker)
>Lv.3 rematch: He kills me in 2 hits
huh

>>712921967
ofc it matters! You're trying to equate liking a fictional character with being gay irl and that's just ridiculous. Its the kind of rhetoric that conservative moms use to ban games like this otherwise little jimmy might see an attractive character and want to "suck a cock". Its why we have so many awful looking characters in the west rn. We cant have anything good because SOME american RIGHT OR LEFT, might get some funny ideas like "this game has cute boys so I might want to find a cute guy to fuck", or "wow that girl is really hot from stellar blade and that sets unrealistic beauty standards so now I hate this game for making men expect women to be railthin and have huge tits or something(idk I tend to try to avoid that kind of discussion cause I get tired of going in circled with them pretty quickly).
>>712921648
Even so, I still believe they can understand some kind of logic and can see why cutting off their nose to spite their face is a bad idea. Even if it doesnt help them rn maybe theyll think more about it in the future. I would like to choose to believe in them rather than giving into cold hopeless cynicism, even if it makes me a fool.Kind of fitting given the themes of this game.

>anguished guardian
Nigger what's that hp?

>>712923894
use fire

Oi janny the gay pedophile is spamming the thread with blogposting about his gay pedophile antics
Do your fucking job already

>>712923514
That can be done with any weapon, it's used because 1. you get it immediately and 2. it does insane damage.

>>712923570
Yes, the parry fable art does good damage and refunds the fable on a successful parry, so a speedrunner can spam it and do a lot of damage. The three charge fabel art does a fuckload of damage too. Watch a speedrun and you'll see.

>>712923796
>liking a fictional character with being gay
It's a male character so it is gay, it being fictional doesn't change this, as being gay having sex irl are two different things.

Games were better when all male protagonists were cute boys or 80s muscle men and nothing in-between.

This is not debatable.

I beat the last boss puppet solo but then the coop laddy ddi 1 damage to him in the kill cutscene. I didn't ask for your help lady just stay knocked out on the floor next time so I get my solo kill

>>712925036
It's like the Nameless Puppet, you'd have died if Geppetto didn't jump in, you NEEDED her help to win
its just a skill issue

>>712925036
Oof you didn't beat the game, better luck next time, shitter.

I hate laser spam.

>>712924145
There's an impossible chasm between the real and unreal where you are left to discover your own thoughts and feelings. I can entertain how id feel in any of these video game settings and specific scenarios as well. I can self insert as pinocchio and imagine how it must feel to become a real person along with all the awakening passion, pain, sadness and loneliness. Selfishly I can stretch some of these scenarios to include other characters from the same setting and imagine the situation and emotional responses. These things are impossible irl and my mind is not perfect and it cannot capture all of that possibilities even in my head. It is still an enjoyable exercise however and I would like to keep doing it and feeling what I imagine those characters might feel. More simply, I might just wonder what it must feel like to be petrified in a video game or to be vored. Doesn't mean im gonna go outside and look for a bear or lion to eat me. Regardless I think that it's simplifying attachments to fictional characters as just being gay, and its dangerous when there's not enough celebration of characters with depth and complex relationships. I really hate that a lot of devs don't even see a point now and instead prefer to just make generic self insert characters because it goes over the head of normalfags that an rpg might have you actually fucking roleplaying instead of just making a copy of yourself.

>>712925964
>attachments to fictional characters as just being gay
But I'm not talking about attachment, I'm talking about feeling sexual desire over a character that objectively looks like a young man, which is gay.
>I wouldn't fuck him irl
Still gay

>>712908539
That's boring
Who are you? Joseph Anderson?

>>712924121
>the parry fable art does good damage and refunds the fable on a successful parry
ah, that explains it.

>>712904701
I recently played through the game and used the rapier the whole time
beat most bosses first try

>>712926564
why does he play like that
he doesn't even use the grindstone buffs
it feels like I'm watching a retard

>>712927061
>it feels like I'm watching a retard
Because you are.

>>712924121
>That can be done with any weapon
No - the Glaive has (or maybe had if it got patched) a few parts where you can use the fable art of a ledge to get out of the game's bounds

I LOVE DELAYED ATTACKS
I LOVE DELAYED ATTACKS
I LOVE DELAYED ATTACKS
I LOVE DELAYED ATTACKS

what new cancer will soulslike devs come up with to make their games more difficult?

>>712901569 (OP)
A friend of mine is playing Overture on the "medium" difficulty as he calls it and he says it's easy as fuck and he just breezed through all 5 chapters without dying. Is he the god of Lies of P or is he playing on babby mode?

>>712927637
>play on baby difficulty
>wonder why game is easy

>>712927637
It's baby mode.
There is no "medium."
Only Normal, Easy, and Very Easy.

>>712927637
The game is a breeze on anything other than Legendary Stalker, the difficulties below it are Easy and Very Easy

the parry sword boss weapon is so strong it's still better than anything in the dlc

>>712907742
People who think a game is just average don't tend to talk about said game on forums like this
They play it, it was okay, they move on
I'd argue there's probably more people who think the game is just average than there are people who love it or hate it

>>712926192
Idk where you got the idea of me feeling desire over a character because he looks like a young man. Obviously based on the events of the game he is incredibly driven and strong to endure all of this and possibly even a good kind hearted person that comes to lie to others so that their lives might be better. I feel desire for THAT kind of person that wants to help others even when the world is collapsing around him and he still chooses to do good. I don't imagine either of us lived in those circumstances irl and neither of us are created beings that gained a soul through our deeds and magic. Its fun to entertain the idea of being swept off my feet by someone like that but they don't exist.
>that objectively looks like a young man
again hes a created being so his face is obviously designed to look pretty flawless with no blemishes by gepetto. Kinda hits a slight uneasiness for me with how unemotional and doll-like his face is at the start. Thankfully he becomes more human in appearance as the game goes on and I really love that. Its kind of depressing to think we played the same game and you would reduce attraction to the character as just being entirely focused on his body.

>>712927526
They already introduced it in ER--360 degree snap tracking and input reading.

>>712907742
>Am I the only guy that thinks this game is average?
have you seen what the average game is like?
this game is much better than average

>>712928416
Now attack him. Finish it, for good.

>>712927526
Delayed attacks have always existed in action games. Do you think every single attack should have the exact same amount of startup time?

so i learned veronique's patterns to break her weapon but it doesn't matter since she's still doing 90000 damage with broken weapon anyway
nice game design

>>712927962
>feeling desire
Gay, simple as.

>>712912214
>>712908839
>>712908950 >>712908956 >>712909549 >>712913693

I got filtered by this fucker

>>712928568
I wouldnt be surprised if he'll forever be around just because of how persistent he is
and comes back as the scarecrow in OZ

>>712909549
>vertical video
what the fuck is wrong with zoomer man

>>712928798
I hope so, like Patches.

>full pulse cell into phase 2
>proceed to die in 2 hits anyway
Arlecchino more like ArleGAY

>>712928687
I fucking hate trash enemies that can kill you in 2 hits.

Lummachio is really hard bros.

>>712907742
depends on what you value in a souls-like I guess. The exploration is pretty linear and railroady and the emphasis is clearly on the combat encounters. I have a higher opinion of the game specifically because I thought I was over Souls-y bosses and From's own difficulty arms-race, but really enjoyed the bosses in this game though. Even though DS1 is still my favorite actual souls game because of its world and tone. So it's kind of paradoxical.

>>712929206
TIME TO EXIT MY STAGE!

>>712928656
Well im gonna go actually play video games ig. Was hoping for more engagement than that but I hope you think about what I said.

>>712929312
He's hard, but he's probably my favorite Stalker fight in the game

>>712929326
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhRa2Lv3WaU

>>712929326
Dodge around him and backstab him nonstop.

>>712901569 (OP)
The bone cutting saw has a really nice balance between damage, range, and speed where you feel like you're getting the best of all worlds. Then it's just a matter of using a handle with a moveset you like. Personally I used the baton handle and then the exploding pickaxe handle when I got it. I never use fable arts though and mostly just use charge attacks or dodge attacks, so that could be a consideration on what to pair it with.

I skipped reading every bit of lore and alt tabed out of most cutscenes that didn't have cinematic fights. Can somebody summarise the DLC lore for me me?

>>712930823
>Can somebody summarise the DLC lore for me me?
geppetto is a bastard

>>712930823
Father of the Year orchestrated the events for his son's best friends to be brutally tortured and murdered by the same asshole who killed Venigni's parents

>>712930823
arlecchino kidnapped romeo and weakened lea, which led to the legendary stalker's death and romeo becoming king of puppets by geppetto
Monad charity house disaster was actually caused by Arlecchino and not a petrification disease breakout
Geppeto's wife was the first puppet to gain an ego after death (hinted but not confirmed in main game)
Alchemists are retards
Sophia and the legendary stalker are adoptive sisters
Manus used the monad charity house disaster to steal the Arm of God

Thats all i got off the top of my head

>>712908539
Thanks, anon. Your advice worked for me. I beat the game.

>>712930925
>>712931003
>>712931318
thanks, that's good enough an explanation for me

>nonstop attacks with tricky or hard to read timings that you just have to memorize

Is this the evolution of the "genre"? I'm really not feeling it and I don't think I'm going to finish. The DLC is great though, same quality as the base game and probably a lot of content. I'm just sick of the "muh difficulty" and games trying their absolute hardest to just make you die. Like would it be so bad if you beat a boss in 4 or 5 attempts? If you could simply read and react to what's happening and win without practicing for over an hour? It's just too much for me anymore.

Out of curiosity how many bosses are there? I killed 4 I think, I'm just wandering around some caves not looking forward to whatever is next.

>>712932049
Just use summons/NPCs.
There are 7/8 bosses.

>>712932049
There is
>Tyrannical Predator
>Markiona
>Veronique
>Anguished Guardian
>Lumacchio
>Arlecchino

Fwiw I think Markiona is probably the most fair and readable duo boss of any Souls game. But requiring memorization of parry/dodge timings is undoubtedly something this genre has begun falling into a bit, even if I find most attacks decently telegraphed

>>712901569 (OP)
Broken feast is broken beyond belief, don't let shitters online convince you otherwise.

>>712932049
Imo Nioh does it the best.
The base game is relatively easy but each ng+ becomes harder while also changing enemy locations, movesets and enemy types around enough to keep the game interesting. By the NG+ endgame almost every boss can 1 shot you and you have to perfect the fights.
It's still the only Souls game I've bothered to actually do the ng+ cycles in

>>712932883
>that red armor + spear combo
And even then you can still bullshit cheese your way through it

>>712932881
>slow as fuck
>worse damage than noblesse oblige
>shitty fable arts
Nah

>>712902208
You could parry, or you could just summon for every boss and fight aggressively. There's also a shield arm that you can attack from behind, and throwing items are OP.

>>712932883
>almost every boss can 1 shot you and you have to perfect the fights.
Sounds like shit

Sometimes, I think I'm bad at video games, but then I come here and see some of you guys struggle with the most simple things. Thanks for the confidence boost :)

>>712928687
Weakest australian kangaroo

>>712933249
>t. shitter

>>712934531
tell me what you like about anon
i genuinely cant think of anything it has that puts it above the Oblige

Simon was such a shit villain.

>>712928798
>>712929158
>Comes back without his memories
>Get his "brain" (memories) back
>He either tries to fight you or "saves" the crew against some super enemy or something

>>712933771
There's easy mode ng for the shitters like you anon that's what's great about it, something for everyone. Just like those fancy restaurants that also have a kiddie menu

>>712934794
The combo of him trying to make a world without lies and being an interesting take on the terrible dogfish made him at least decent in my eyes.

>>712934794
He isn't the real villain.

>>712929326
Abuse puppet string link attacks

>>712932881
>Slowest weapon in the game
>Damage doesn't make up for it
>Outdpsed by literally everything because its so slow
>Its FA is to just temporarily make it swing 5% faster
Yeah nah.

I don't see this mentioned much but Arlecchino's design is really damn good in terms of aesthetics. The fancy coat he has on initially, the twirly mustache, and the hat all fit the crazy serial killer vibe perfectly. The phase two insane robot terminator thing with saw blades as well, they really got the design of him down well. Having P Judgement Cut him felt really satisfying because they got the insane evil character down so well with what he did to the charity house.

>got to the final dlc boss last night
>its none other than Salvador Dalí after he escaped from hell
>took a bit to get to phase two (which of course there is one)
>starts with ridiculously long move that you get no time to learn
glad i went to bed after that, i'll try again later

Why do sometimes I can outrun Arlecchino's missile but other time they're simply hit me, this is stupid

>>712934794
Simon is yet another victim of alchemists as a whole, he was a rejected, failed experiment. The DLC made him a lot more threatening with how cunning and ruthless he was before the main game events, although he did have a mind reading hax.

>>712936692
I never thought they will approach Arlecchino as a fusion of Jack the Ripper and Salvador Dali. They absolutely nailed the aesthetics.

>>712939317
deserved

>>712939317
>cheese this motherfucker

>>712910164
Yes, part 2 is different but the main issue will be learning to dodge the first attack he does (which he later repeats in the fight). Basically, you can run and dodge from those attacks

This game would have been at least twice as popular if we weren't forced to play as a twink faggot. The only thing worse is a fat black woman

>>712940382
He looks better with long hair. After the dlc it also kinda feels like he is the little brother of his family so its better to me

I like his short hair better. I'm not a huge fan of twinks, but straight twinks are alright in my book.

>>712936692
His whole design and character awakened something in me.

Does the DLC have it's own boss weapon vendor or do I have to go back to the base game and progress until Alidoro in the cave

>>712941198
his long hair looks oily

>>712941638
After chapter 1

>>712941638
>Does the DLC have it's own boss weapon vendor
yes

>>712941198
I prefer short hair as well

>>712927526
8 hit combo and then instant follow up attack if you're in range

Whats the lore behind the Anguished Guardian

>>712943603
failed god

>>712938389
I just dodge instead

Is the boss refight thing meant for ng+ cycles? I got to the level 5 parade master and I do basically no damage so I have to repair my weapon like 6 times to kill him. I don't mind dying in 1 hit but there is no way I can repair my shit and survive vs bosses that aren't as easy as the Parade master

My weapon of choice with pic related fucked up Arlecchino. Such a fun weapon. Low stamina cost, R2 that has little to no wind up, R2 then launches you forward, god tier Fable arts. Throw on amulet that helps with Critical attack. 10/10

>>712944096
Yes.

how do i break the giga autism that binds me, bros? im doing motivity now, i want to try technique but my brain wants me to restart the entire playthrough from NG instead of doing it in NG+ or something.

>>712945468
Well guess I'll skip it then. Dunno if I wanna go through ng+ cycles

>>712945671
You'll miss out on P-Organ phase 6 in NG+ and phase 7 in NG++, maybe that'll motivate you?

>>712945228
The claws were my favorite new weapon of the dlc along with the bow as well. It was nice to have a proper dual wield weapon since Proof of Humanity isn't quite that.

The blatant autotune in the song Survivor in Overture ironically is more soulless than a puppet. How bad of a singer are you when you need autotune for talking volume? lmao

GENTLEMEN

>>712946007
Yeah, I'm not bothering. I'm nor sure how strong you need to be, but even at max level I've heard level 5 is a real bitch.

>>712946049
Maybe. I like the Gunblade and I ran Frozen Feast for a few hours earlier before the DLC; I'm at Arlechinno then it's off to Act 10 and the Alchemist Isle.

This game's not full of shit it's full of p

In no particular order, my top 5 favorite characters

Lea
Arlecchino
Alidoro
Venigni
Brain in a Vat

>>712947491
>Brain in a Vat
he tried to steal my waifu so he deserved his fate desu

>>712947769
I just like how quickly he was to resolve himself after finding out he wasnt actually trapped in a coffin. "I want you to turn off the machine, my future is mine to decide" Just kind of resonated with me

>>712946350
I finished listening to it just now, it is absolute dogshit. I was wincing in pain by the end

I'm getting fucking annihilated by Arlecchino
Just fucking destroyed

>>712949260
There's no shame in watching a youtube video of others fighting him to get a better grasp of his moves

>>712949321
I already feel shame just from reading that suggestion

>>712949321
There's a lot of shame in that. The best part about these games is having that light bulb in your head start to turn on when recognizing the patterns

>>712949260
I believe in you anon

>>712949321
That's not really going to help cuz you still have to learn the timings yourself.

So, after the base game and DLC, what's your definitive ng++ talisman tier list?

>>712949712
Feels like Iron Wall is a necessity

>>712947491
for me:
1. old man and the sea guy
2. rosaura
3. lea
4. the miner puppet in the spider cave
5. mad donkey

>>712933249
>>712936406
It has tremendous high block rate, fable art generation, and stagger values.

>>712949991
>the miner puppet in the spider cave
>bullied relentlessly by some rando
>gets stuck with him in a cave in
>spends decades upon decades working to dig him out, even continuing after the miner died
what a bro

>>712949712
Blue guardianship +3
Arm of God
Extreme Modification
Patience +1
Storyteller

>>712950164
>Storyteller
Does anyone know how much fable generation it gives?

If you didnt call Alidoro for the overseer fight, you are soulless

>>712950380
>he actually has unique skills for the dragon sword you can't get

So uhhh, this Valentinus guy was the (foster?) father of Lea and Sophia and leader of the alchemysts, when Manus began his antics he was warned and asked to take action countless times but he did nothing and in the end Manus sent his goons and abominations to kill him and steal the arm, sending Arlecchino as a distraction for Lea? Or am i missing something? If so, Valentinus is a giant moron

>>712950528
>he was warned and asked to take action countless times but he did nothing
It's heavily implied he never actually got the warnings delivered to him. You find the final one near a berserk alchemist puppet, implying it killed the messenger. Likely a Manus and Geppetto's doing.

>>712950245
Dunno, but it seems significant. Testing on the dummy with gunblade gives me this:

>Without amulet: 4 heavy attacks almost fills a fable far
>With amulet: 4 heavy attacks fills a heavy bar and partially fills another one

Are literally all the experiments and underground labs Simon's doing? It seems unreasonable that Valentinus didn't have his fingers into some real dirt too, even if he wasn't as bad as Simon.

>>712950932
>Are literally all the experiments and underground labs Simon's doing
Yes

>>712950464
Same with Lea
A lil sad but ah well

>>712950965
This post by #ValentinusGang

>>712950380
Sorry alidoro, but you cant make a lone wolf run with the dogs

>>712951025
Play the game.

>>712950050
Know what else does? Gunblade, and it's 3x as fast.

>>712951025
nta but why dig up the arm of god in the first place? and what's the deal with the anguished guardian? was he the original owner of the gunblade in it's description?

>>712950910
That's great to hear. Generally i feel anything that impacts fable gain is god tier. Plundering Amulet gives you a full bar for every fable attack btw.

There are letters from Valentinus instructing the alchemists to cover stuff up including Camille's death and scolding them saying some people are off limits in terms of "accidents" (implying it's okay if random people get killed in the service of their experiments). He's definitely not squeaky clean.

>>712951262
>including Camille's death
Do we know that the Listener he was talking about was Camille?
It seems like it'd be silly to do an entire cover up of her death, but then also send Geppetto a personal letter saying "Sorry she died while doing work for us!"

>>712950464
He can actually parry the boss with the twirl R2 attack as well. I did a double take when I saw him parry the boss complete with the sound effect and everything. He's a bro, it's a shame that he gets killed by the imposter fag. I think his charge shot with the bow is unique as well.

Just started the dlc
Those diseased animals are something else, im getting my shit kicked in.

>>712951237
Plundering Amulet is bait, you get at most one fable attack on a boss, maybe two if the boss has two health bars.

>>712951368
I assume it was covered up for the general populace but not for Geppetto or other similarly important high-ranking people within the alchemists and to a lesser extent the workshop.

how many ancient disks are there? i bought everything and then found the bags. am i fucked, bros.

>>712951527
For bosses, yes. For normal exploration though, given how easy it is to backstab foes? You become a fable battery.

>>712950528
I thought Arlecchino was just meant to be studied or something. The ship transporting him crashed and then he broke free and just went on to fuck everything up.

Ok how the FUCK did Lea not insta recognize P as Carlo, if indeed he was her apprentice

>Literally the only good guy in the entire upper echelon of Krat
How did he do it?

>>712951746
Was this post supposed to have a picture of Venigni?

>>712951746
Fuck, forgot the pic

Did you guys know that at the House of Venigni, even priceless things have a price?

Anyone else feel the level design in the DLC fell off a cliff after the Zoo? The lab had some decent parts but overall was garbage and everything after was worse than the base game.

>>712907585
booster glaive moveset is OP, mogs everything else if you put a nice blade on that handle.

>>712951941
I liked the ship level, and while the Rose Estate wasn't the most interesting design-wise I liked it's atmosphere and loredumps
The zoo and carnival is definitely the high point though

>>712951741
You're in long hair fuckboi mode after killing Romeo. Also, you'll probably get yoinked into the future if she did recognize you as Carlo like at the end of the DLC for fulfilling the wish.

She deserved life, she deserved happiness. We should have been able to alter the time line. When Alidoro said 'there's no cure for the petrification disease, not yet anyways', we should have been able to bring back a cure from the future. Im so mad.

>>712951818
Italian batman

Is this thing good for a technique build?
Also, where should my carry weight be hovering? Is getting to Light crucial? I do like the movement but it seems impossible without dumping everything into capacity.

>>712907742
I think it's better than Bloodborne. It only loses points from the extremely linear levels and gameplay progression, but otherwise literally everything is top quality.

>failed the final phone trivia
Am I cooked, chat? The guy mentioned something about a red apple but I already got one earlier and gave it someone.

>>712952089
Romeo is so cool and cute, why can't we save him and hug him and tell him everything will be fine? And then do the same thing again in the future

>>712952125
That weapon is alright to start but you'll get better ones as the game goes on so I'd recommend against spending many upgrade materials on it
>>712952216
>chat
kys
I think completing it causes a statue in the Grand Exhibition to be movable and reveal a trinity key

>>712952125
As long as your under 60%, you're fine. The umbrella is pretty good but the damage falls off a bit in the late game.

How do you get the white suit? I finished a second playthrough I started fresh and haven't been able to get it

Why does the scrapped watchman's ergo give lumacchio's weapon?

>Paracelsus is the hidden main antagonist and he was behind everything, he is a freemason illuminati member ingame as well as real life
These devs are fucking cooking putting Paracelsus in this game, and openly acknowledging his ties to masonry. Freemasonry+fictional shit like Wizard of Oz has to be a chocolate peanutbutter situation. Not to mention Simon Manus was in the Bible trying to buy the ability to heal people from Jesus when Jesus put his hand on someone to heal them. This entire games lore is peak

>>712952375
I actually got the statue one. I went back to the factory and accidentally discovered that I missed one. Then I choked and I'm probably gonna have to get it in ng+

>>712951502
Also started recently, just got to Chapter 2
Horton kicked my shit in harder than the midboss

Finally did it

>>712952548
I imagine it wasn't really thought of that far in advance and they just wanted to give cool weapons that early on
You also get Arlecchino's weapon from Romeo - I don't think there's much reason to it

Behold, the best weapon in the game

>>712952090
She won't fuck you.

Do handles allow you to make any handle be for any build? Or can it really only make something a lil more quality than just str or dex.
Is it better to play quality, or can I focus on one over the other.

>>712952787
Shut up nigger.

>>712952698
what level are you?
>>712952829
quality is BiS in NG+ only

>got arlechinno down to 20% with 8 pulse phials left
>the one and only crash in my entire 40 hour playthrough happens
The ultimate attack.

>>712950528
I think Lea was his adoptive daughter and Sophia was his biological daughter.

>>712952715
Well, Gepetto kills Lea and Romeo with Arlecchino's corpse right beside them. I don't think that's a coincidence.

>>712952090
Only "cure" there is comes from Giangio (who's a Paracelsus spy) and it does not restore lost organs, patients still die

>>712952829
It just makes a handle scale a bit better with one attribute - you can't put more than one handle onto a weapon sadly
>Is it better to play quality
Quality gets the best damage for NG+ and ++ runs, but NG0 you can really just do whatever
>>712952915
>TIME TO EXIT MY STA-

>>712952951
Giangio is Paracelsus

>>712952951
Yeah but if you had given her the cure she would've regained her strength and easily solo Arlecchino again

>>712952951
We dont know if she had lost any organs yet

>>712953076
Cut dialogue reveals she lost her womb

Would you want a Puppet buddy, anon?

I appreciate how straightforward the plot is in this game. I'm so tired of Fromsoftware's verbose bullshit.

>>712953167
Good shit.

Is advance good.
Some of these weapons look cool. I'm doing a technique build for my first run, but I wonder if I should drop a whole bunch of points into Advance, and do an equal amount of technique+advance.

>>712953190
>have a shotgun, pistol, whip or flamethrower for an arm
>possibly live forever
>perfect appearance
Only question is if my penis would work

>>712953339
There are not many advance weapons in the game but it is pretty good if you know what element counters which enemy.

>>712953339
Advance gets the short end of the stick in terms of weapons - they get just a small few in both base game and DLC
But those weapons can be pretty damn good and fun, and respeccing is very cheap (though it only unlocks in chapter 8 iirc), so up to you really

>>712952698
Wtf is this?

>>712953543
Beating a boss on Difficulty 5 gives a little amulet you can put on your bag for cosmetic effect

>>712953110
By me

>>712953190
I want to put Arlecchino's ergo into a harmless puppet and bully him

>>712953690
That's just Chucky

>>712953609
what's the difference between difficulty 5 and hardest difficulty?

>>712953405
Refer to >>712920049

>>712953872
I believe it's all just damage numbers - I don't think the difficulty you choose in the Options menu affects the difficulty of boss rematches

i have 50 motivity, should i start leveling my Technique to work my way into Quality? NG0 btw

So what does completing Overture affect in the main game? It suggests it alters some of the side stories.

>>712953981
Yee, unless your capacity/vigor/endurance is lacking
By the end of NG+1 you'll probably be double your level at the end of NG0 so you'll have a good amount of room to mess around
>>712953995
A couple of dialogue options
>Different dialogue from Lea while on the beach
>Wearing Lea's clothes while talking to Arlecchino will give a new bit of dialogue
Besides that nothing I believe

>2 ancient disks left
the 2 quartz are the necessary buys, right?

>>712953981
yeah

Do we want Dorothy as the main character in the sequel, or continue with P?

>>712953995
Also
>Golden seed fully blooms and can be placed next to the gramophone
>Rosaura appears at Krat City Hall

>>712954061
>Besides that nothing I believe
and the letter from the old lady now has a second part

>>712953339
My first playthough was adv, my weapon early on was the thunder stick you get from the first merchant and fulminis, the flamethrower is grest but only after its fully upgraded, you get some more options for element weapons as you go along and DLC has the goated welding arm. You best ally however are consumables

>>712954121
I'd rather have Dorothy.
P's story is done and I'm fine with moving on or having him as some kind of optional superboss
If we need a returning NPC to be the Tin Man I'd rather it be the broken puppet you find in the swamp

>>712954121
I want the broken puppet from the swamp as the tinman

>>712954121
Dorothy. P/Carlo is done, even if his story is rife with tragedy at literally every step of the way.

>>712954121
More P
I just don't like FeMC

>>712954206
welding arm?

Am I the only person that uses the seven coil spring sword?
It carried me through the whole game and I almost 1 shot the final boss when I got to him

Speaking of stories, i don't remember most of these new npcs in the pinocchio book, i know i know, that doesn't really matters but i was just wondering if i had missed some sort of equivalent

>>712954121
>woman character
No thanks, it's P or nothing

>>712954431
Nah it's very strong, but with the DLC out most people are playing around with those weapons instead at this point.

>>712954389
I forgot the exact name, but you know what i'm talking about

>Lea
>All about saving her apprentices, even at the cost of her own life
>Sophia
>Wakes you up simply to save herself, doesnt really care about Krat or the frenzy/petrification disease
The choice is obvious

>>712953339
the shock hammer is good and its like the earliest one you get

>>712953609
Ah it's for boss rematch.

>>712954761
She leaves the "go back in time so you can try again whenever you die" power with you even after she dies, she wasn't being selfish

>>712954761
Doesn't Lea only care about her apprentices because she's dying from cancer

>>712954761
I'd wake up P too if he was my only hope of not living in endless pain.

>>712955013
Nah, she clearly cared about both of them greatly before she got rock aids
If she only cared because she was dying that wouldn't make much sense

>>712954761
>>Wakes you up simply to save herself, doesnt really care about Krat or the frenzy/petrification disease
That’s not true and you know it. Sophia doesn’t even tell you she’s being held prisoner until you’re actually at the Isle of Alchemists.

>>712954761
I really wonder what exactly did Geppetto did with Lea. I feel like he might've harvested her for her Ergo and then put it into P's mechanical heart.

>tfw you were the only one who could see Sophia in the hotel
and the cricket i guess

>>712954561
i dont, the dlc has a shotgun arm and the shuriken arm

>>712955291
oh, i thought you were trying to shame me over it, it's called puppet of the future's welding arm or something, it's like a knight's great lance but also a flamethrower and rocket, it's fun

>>712955451
oh you mean the actual arm, not the legion arms. sadly im not adv

>>712955159
To be fair, P knowing about her being held prisoner ultimately doesnt matter as long as she can usher you to her location with or without that knowledge, which she does. I'm mostly memeing with my original post, but I can't help but wonder just how much Sophia truly cares about the state of things

>>712901569 (OP)
Motivity
>Tyrant Murderer's Dagger blade + Pistol Rock Drill handle
>Live Puppet's Axe blade + Krat Police Baton handle
>[Slashing Blade] + Exploding Pickaxe handle
>[Slashing Blade] + Coil Mjolnir handle
>[Slashing Blade] + Silent Evangelists' Mace handle
>[Slashing Blade] + La Vendetta handle
>Pale Knight <--- This one is special!

There are a few good choices of [Slashing Blade].
>Master Chef's Knife blade is the fastest
>Bramble Curved Sword blade has a little more damage and range in exchange for being a little slower
>Bone-Cutting Saw blade trades even more speed for more damage and range.
>Arche's Guardian blade is freakishly strong, you can also use it for stabbing with the Pistol Rock Drill

There are many good choices. Once you've upgraded a blade, try it on many different handles, play with different movesets, find what you like.

>>712955701
I mean the state of Krat is pretty hopeless, her whole family and household got massacred. In the end she became immobile and was in constant pain. I'm not surprised her only wish was for someone to mercy kill her.

what am i missing? i think i did all of Rosaura's stuff up to the Lighthouse, I did all the Ciphers, I got the merchant's bags to him (but I think I'm missing an ancient disk), I turned the brain vat off.

>>712904701
Technique
>Tyrant Murderer's Dagger blade + Lorenzini Bolt handle
>Tyrant Murderer's Dagger blade + City Longspear handle
>[Slashing Blade] + Booster Glaive handle
>[Slashing Blade] + Master Chef's Knife handle
>Two Dragons Sword
>Death's Talons
>Azure Dragon Crescent Glaive

Same comment as >>712956230 regarding blade choice and experimentation.

Is Falcon Eyes the best technique Legion Arm?

>>712956329
>I mean the state of Krat is pretty hopeless
And that would be fine, but Sophia puts on the pretense of caring and that things for the city can get better. So if she had been straight forward from the start about being mercy killed, I think i'd feel better about her

puppet pantsu...

>>712954431
is it really good? i never considered it because it's from the first boss.

>>712956475
Puppet String maxed out is often better
Or the Icarus if you're in DLC

>>712956495
Yeah that kind of doesn't fit with her character, but I think they might have wrote it like that so that Sophia's state would only be revealed at the end.

I just found out Lea and Carlo do a dual fatal strike on Arlecchino if you have her help out in the fight. Do you get a dual fatal with Alidoro too?

>>712956617
I hope you get Romeo'd

>>712956651
Maybe it's stupid but how. It just be pulling enemies to you. Is the final upgrade attack think particularly strong

>>712956889
>Is the final upgrade attack think particularly strong
Yes - it can knock enemies into a fatal attack state much faster than most charged r2's
The pistol gets kind of outclassed as a ranged arm in the dlc but it's still neat

>>712956363
Records?

It has come to my attention that I am bad and a shitter, please kill me

>>712957086
i got Goddard's, I told Adiloro he'd save the city.

What the fuck is this ending Geppetto what the actual fuck why is this what you wanted what the fuck does this accomplish?

>>712956889
Yeah, the tier 3 upgrade is very strong.

what's the most important upgrades to activate, in your guys' opinion?

>>712958110
Why'd you give him your heart, too much of a shitter to beat NP?

>>712958110
He got his son back :)

>was fighting Malenia in Elden Ring just now
>out of flasks in second phase
>get randomly healed by someone appraising a message I wrote
>win

holy shit /v/ was a rush

>>712958340
Based. It was fate. Good job anon

>>712958110
Because he is apart of the freemason guild that the main antagonist Paracelsus is apart of. Thats why Simon didn't really bother with him. Did you not read any of the letters or see this very obvious sign in the secret ending?

this was my first ending, what should i do on this new NG0? I plan on running NG+ again, bros.

>Get to DLC on NG+3
>Everything is 2 shotting or 1 shotting me
>Drop diff down to normal
>Now I'm getting 3 shotted instead
>Boss elephant in the courtyard just a bit after the 2nd stargazer actually 2 shots me
>Vitality is at 92
>Have the highest possible damage reduction things equipped
The fuck are these damage values

>>712958809
You're on NG+3 retard what did you expect

>>712958809
everything in the dlc will 2 shot you regardless of NG level, not joking.

>>712958391
The message system is one of the most soulful things in the souls series. The fact that people still jump to their deaths to this day is kino

>>712958136
probably whichever has two or more of the same tree

>>712958757
Well first off, beat the last boss by not giving your dad your heart
Next go full Quality with a Gunblade or full Tech with the Two Dragon Sword
>>712958857
Plenty of trash mobs you can tank 5+ hits from as long as you have good armor parts

>>712958839
The ability to take some damage before dying? My lifebar covers half the screen.

>>712959053
idgaf

>>712958136
I like:
fatal atk, fable atk, charge stagger, fable charging (various), legion on enemy kill (if you use legion)

>>712958110
He is basically crazy
>>712958507
headcanon

>>712959053
The sweeping puppet at the carnival takes like 70% of your health with her charged attack

>>712956676
Don't think so. Someone would've mentioned it by now.

>>712958110
he just leaves anyway

>>712959127
based, stay mad at the screen while Melting Marionette folds you like laundry. you picked NG+3, you get NG+3’d.

>>712958136
IGNORE/DONT PICK UP the "Increase Stiffness when Perfect Blocking" or whatever the fuck the name of that upgrade is, since it is actually detrimental. Also fuck the elden ring cube, its upgrades, and the piss tree stuff.

Double dodge>Stagger Window>all of the Pulse Cell-related stuff>Fable Slots

pick up the amulet slots along the way

and for passives basically all of the attack ones, grindstone buffs, legion arm stuff that lets you regen the bar. all of the legion arm upgrades feel so good on ng+ with the DOOM shotgun arm you get in this dlc

>>712959685
>IGNORE/DONT PICK UP the "Increase Stiffness when Perfect Blocking" or whatever the fuck the name of that upgrade is, since it is actually detrimental
How is it detrimental?

>>712959685
How is it detrimental?

Arlecchino is a fair fight
Lumacchio is not a fair fight

how many records do i need to listen for this shit to GO UP AAAA im at chapter fucking 10 base game and the end of the dlc

>>712959839
>>712960021
it causes a mini-stagger that's hard to follow up, and on bosses you're basically letting them cancel their string into a fresh one, instead of getting a guaranteed punish at the end of their string like you would without the upgrade. definitely feels better without it, especially on slower weapons.

>>712960564
I never noticed it desu and I beat Arlecchino on difficulty 5 with that upgrade.

>>712960464
You need 895 points for it to start saying "Your heart is pounding."
Because you currently have "You feel warmth," it means you have at least 630 points.

Pic related on how to get points, but it's spoilers.

>>712960720
probably doesn't even trigger on DLC bosses, seeing as its also hard to stagger them

>>712901569 (OP)
this game is too difficult

>>712950150
I found it kind of funny how out of all the conspiracy documents, the lighthouse guy was the only one who was just straight up an asshole till the very end.

>>712960923
it has easy mode for you now

>>712960923
so lower the difficulty. they added easy modes just for you

I have to BUY wishstone uses?
Useless.

>>712961515
Yeah it's weird. At first I thought it was like the physick from elden ring. I used it while fighting a boss, died, and then couldn't figure out why I wasn't able to use it again on subsequent attempts

What of these major upgrades and these minor upgrades are worth it..
I'm mainly concerned about the attack/item/ability/survival upgrades. There are so fucking many of them I don't know which to get. There are literally 80 of them

would 40/25 motivity/tech for quality B/B work better than 50 motivity A scaling?

>>712961869
I'm going to guess yes because the scaling past 40 isn't high.

Okay, what the FUCK is up with Laxasia? First phase is pretty easy once you get it down, but in the second phase she immediately goes full sick mode. She'll combo your ass, instantly inflict shock, deal humongous damage with each hit, teleport, feint every attack except the ones she double feints and do these undodgeable charges that 2 hit you.
Wtf do I do nigga

>>712961869
scaling slams into a brick wall past 40, you may as well stop there and put points into the other stat for variety

>>712962056
Use the perfect parry grindstone at the start of phase 2. After she lands, charge up a big R2 and try and rush her down while staying alive. Gotta get that stagger early on to get the momentum going.

I want to hear Pinocchio talk…

>>712962056
dodge, don't try to parryslop through it unless it's the lightning projectiles she sends at you. if you haven't tried perfect blocking the projectiles, now is the time to do it.

>>712962375
Parrying the lightning is easy, it's everything that comes after she lands. If I try to rush her down she busts out some bogus unreadable lighting AoE or unlockable multi hit spin.

>>712961837
You can respec it later, so don't worry about it that much

>>712961837
Charged attack, ambush attack, stagger attack from offense
Pulse cell amount and effectiveness from defense
Special grindstone uses and time from green
Ergo acquisition and item prices from yellow

>>712960828
>150 points for "I couldn't hear"
Fuck that shit. I'm telling everyone that G-pedo a bitch.

>>712962304
here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAykOz1gWi4

>>712960828
It's funny to do, and I fully support it, but what was the real reasoning for telling fake Alidoro the wrong locations every time lol

>Lea does this shit while riddled with rock cancer
im kinda scared to ever see her stronger, bros

>>712960828
Has anyone counted these for the dlc?

>>712963205
Just generally being a fucking asshole, like Pinocchio in the story.

>>712960564
>never notice it on my first or current playthrough
>read this message
>Veronique keeps starting a new chain faster than I can charge R2 because of this stagger
wtf
Still, I don't think it works on actual bosses at all, only enemies and minibosses

>>712963284
>like Pinocchio in the story.
Im not familiar with the original story, what makes him an asshole

the parry timings feel off for Arlechinno, like they're not actually timed for the hits but earlier in the swing. its weird.

>>712963205
I got sus vibes from him (as the kids would say) from the first time you meet him. He just comes off as greedy and a bit shifty.

>>712963205
In context either probably just to be a troll at the time or more like with Lummachio where P just got bad vibes from the guy

>>712963396
He's a lying, cheating, dishonest self-centered dickhead who throughout the story has to learn to be a good boy so he can become a real human bean.
He murders the cricket with a hammer for talking shit.

You can just read it yourself, it's actually pretty entertaining.

>>712963935
>He's a lying, cheating, dishonest self-centered dickhead
That almost sounds like he's already human...

>>712910164
I think my main issue with that boss is that phase two just has so many insta kill attacks, if you get hit by a combo thats basically it its unrecoverable, at least you can dodge and parry in really obvious ways or let lea take a blunt but the massive amount of damage is so rough
I really don't know how you're suppose to play this without Lea NPC

>>712963205
There is actually a warning about letting strangers into the hotel. I can't remember if it is from talking to an NPC or a note, and Alidoro fits the bill.

>>712964521
That isnt to say its even a bad boss, its actually one of my favs just for looks and moveset alone (that DRIP he had in the first phase was so good, second phase should of kept the jacket)
Its so weird, despite getting my ass kicked and getting mad I didn't dislike any boss in this DLC (cept mayble the Alligator) they all felt fair and fun. I just think they could reduce the damage a wee bit (or finally increase that damn parry window)

>>712913981
Dodge mostly, parry anything with obvious timing and if you have a fast fable art or charged heavy attacking him during his red attacks to interrupt

>Get Arlecchino to like 5% health
>he retreats to the sky to do a giga fast version of his first attack
you have got to be fucking kidding me

>>712964953
I LITERALLY JUST HAD THAT HAPPEN
HE KNICKED ME AT THE VERY END
I WAS 1 HIT AWAY
FUCK
FUUUUUUCK
I HATE THIS PUPPET MAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7wHfJdVWyQ

>>712964953
i dont think its any faster desu
but yeah that does suck
but honestly, when you get it down its not super hard to dodge

>>712965215
if you say its not faster ill kick your fucking ass, those skulls are flying like they're breaking the fucking sound barrier on the 2nd one

>>712958507
He's not a member. Geppetto is part of the same overall org as the alchemists which are subservient to Paracelsus' org, there's a DLC letter where they basically go "Yeah do the thing or we send a sea monster to kill you all"

>>712963205
I think because Gepetto tells you to be wary of any survivors and at that point you have no reason to question him, so you're protecting the hotel people by lying
Why does denying you're a killer to Arlecchino increase humanity when you killed several people already, but then it increases your humanity by killing fake alidoro 5 minutes later

>>712965292
Skull speed depends on distance I think
But I have an easy trick to always avoid them
You need to be really far back and to the left, and then when you hear the big RAAAAGH sound start running in a straight line to the right
you will never ever be hit by them if you get it right

For the next bit, you have to double dodge the ground pound in the area which gives you the most space then keep dodging (or guard) the spinny red move
then the three hits either parry or dodge them, parry or dodge the slash, three quick parry that bit
that fucking Fury is what gets me, I have no honest way to miss it, it feels like a toss up. then the slash and that fucking run ending explosion is all bullshit

>>712965348
>Why does denying you're a killer to Arlecchino increase humanity when you killed several people already, but then it increases your humanity by killing fake alidoro 5 minutes later
You aren't simply killing out of sport. You're either doing it to protect the people of the hotel or killing those who have wronged the people of the hotel.

>>712965445
i cant avoid his grab attack, if he throws it, its over. i try to dodge and i just cant get the timing right. you cant run from it either. it's just instant death if he actually uses it. my only hope is to burst him down fast enough and hope to christ he doesn't ascend again before i kill him.

Is the golden Snail lum guy a type of listener in the fashion of the Mad Donkey? He seems to know you're traveling back in time every time you die and remember he beat you given his dialogue every time you come back.

>>712965592
I think his grabs have the same timing as the Blue girl in the Zoo, its super delayed tho so I cant blame you
Honestly spamming dodge has worked for me with the grab

i got arlecinno within 1 hit and he fucked me up. i dont even know if i want to try again tonight.

>>712965769
you do

I honestly feel like the Arle boss fight is worse if you don't bring Lea, he feels designed with that in mind
that and the dialogue is great

>>712965931
You can't use Lea in boss rematch though

>>712966068
Which is why you should use her while you can in the story

>>712966263
Yeah you can use her to see all the dialogue and battle animations and then lose on purpose to hear the voice lines for soloing Arle.

>time to exit the stage!
>time to exit the stage!
>time to exit the stage!
>time to exit the stage!
>time to exit the stage!
>time to exit the stage!