Final Fantasy Tactics remake wont include War of the Lions content. Why?
https://mynintendonews.com/2025/06/17/final-fantasy-tactics-remake-wont-include-war-of-the-lions-content/

>>712916413 (OP)
Remember the pixel remasters?

>>712916413 (OP)
https://www.square-enix-games.com/en_US/news/final-fantasy-tactics-interview

They lost the source code lol

Stupid useless fucking cunts. I'm not buying the remaster now. I loved the access to Dark and Onion Knight, the former especially. It took a lot to unlock so it wouldn't spoil shit for those who wanted the original experience. You can just NOT unlock/use it. I hate how they act like they're doing some justice for for the original but not adding in optional bonus content you get through grinding. Have OPTIONS is always fucking better.

Fuck these useless stupid cunts.

Home come everything time I hear of a Square Enix game it's bad news?

>>712916714
Makes more sense. I like how they try to play it off in the first link here by saying they're respecting the original design more. Stupid soulless cock suckers.

>>712916413 (OP)
>no dark knight
Fuck you

>>712916608
Whenever someone tells me the Pixel Remasters are the definitive version of the game I laugh. A remake should be THE version of the game. Morons just keep making offshoots instead of this.

>>712916714
>They lost the source code lol
Can someone explain to a brainlet how is this even possible?

>>712916608
I remember shills saying that all the new content was shit anyway yes

>>712916941
Pretty common for nips to not archive their works. It happens in anime a lot.

>>712916941
>make game
>game goes into production
>erase old HDD for new game

That's it. They just didn't care or want to be bothered.

>>712916941
I thing a SE building got fire, or earthquake a long time ago.
That said. I only hear Square Enix bring up lost source code a lot.

>>712916413 (OP)
Switch 2 limitations

>>712916413 (OP)
as it should be. only retards that got filtered hard by OG Wiegraf find WotL better.
>but the new classes and characters
pure filler garbage.

>>712916941

>>712917313
How much is SE paying you?

>>712916413 (OP)
WE HAVE A FUCKING THREAD >>712913990
ALRADY YOU DUMP RETARDED BLACK NIGGER APE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>712916941
They mention there it wasn’t cause of mishandling, it’s because it wasn’t a practice to archive that stuff back then.

>>712916826
In comparison I see people call the PSX translation bad, but I've never heard anyone explain what's actually wrong with it, nothing hits as hard as
>ANIMALS HAVE NO GOD

>>712917353
git gud and you'll be able to beat non nerfed Wiegraf, anon.

>>712917313
>as it should be. only retards that got filtered hard by OG Wiegraf find WotL better.
I have no idea what's supposed to be different here

>>712916941
Some redditor found a gold disc with the original source code, then SE found his post and asked for it back so he gave it to them for about 20 dollars worth of SE merchandise.
Once they got the disc they shredded it to make sure nobody would ever see their spaghetti code.

>>712917602
Modern Square loves their Ye Olde English translation. I think they both have their place but I enjoy the original more.

>>712916941
bruh Rockstar lost the original RDR source code as did Blizzard for startcraft

also just more common for early companies to drop their data to free up space because buying storage for an old project is costly and requires physical storage space

>>712917983
Jesus Chraist, SE is fucking evil

>>712916941
1) Storage is a joke nowadays because of how cheap, but it was premium back in the day.
2) Why keep the source code? Back in the day, when the game was done, the game was DONE, they had no idea that remakes and remasters would be a thing. So they just threw it away.

>>712918106
>as did Blizzard for startcraft
Reading that actually hurt my soul

>>712918106
Maybe I'm retarded, but whenever I hear this happening with a fuck huge company like Rockstar, I just imagine that there's no way they couldn't have fit the source on like a 16 terrabyte hardrive or something and put it on a shelf

>>712918409
>he doesnt know
your gonna hate this then
https://mashable.com/article/starcraft-source-disc

>>712916413 (OP)
DLC, Atlus did the same for P3R.

>>712916413 (OP)
It's one of the most disappointing remasters so far.

>>712916413 (OP)
What is the war of the lions stuff?

>>712916413 (OP)
I've never played FFT. What's missing?

>>712917602
>but I've never heard anyone explain what's actually wrong with it
About 20% of it is straight up incomprehensible ESL babble, for one. I understand why this doesn't bother the jeets and other assorted brown people on /v/, but if you speak English with any degree of proficiency, it is actually painful to read. I can understand disliking the WotL translation for stylistic reasons, but defending the original PSX one is just pure contrarianism.

>>712916714
That doesn't make sense. How did they create WoTL then?

>>712919125
zoom zoom

>>712919117
WotL adds:
Onion Knight job
Dark Knight job
FFTA2's Luso as an ally
FFXII's Balthier as an ally
An additional boss fight against Zombie Algus in chapter 4
Rendezvous missions (Multiplayer mode) with a bunch of custom rules that are too many to list, but essentially you don't permanently gain or lose any items or gil consumed/stolen in battle unless an enemy Ninja throws a weapon and you Catch it, and you get a couple random items for winning the fight.
Melee which is PvP that incorporates button mashing and timed hits.

>Base the new translation on WoTL
>Don't have WoTL content
>Still change shit anyway from the original
>Pretend it's the definitive experience
It's like they wanted to piss off every party that was even remotely interested in this

>>712919125
>not saying IESLB
scholarbro...

>>712920053
Thanks.
It doesn't look like that much of a loss.

>>712920053
>An additional boss fight against Zombie Algus in chapter 4

There's a few new story fights, some new side-quests, and a few new events. Many feel a little fan-ficy, but I like most of them. Does Algus need to come back? Would the Templar really bother with him? Maybe? Maybe not?

>original game is good enough
>that'll be 50 bucks

>>712916941
because game companies only care about profits and not the video game and the art and craft of it.
see Nintendo.

>>712916941
>They lost the source code lol
a copout excuse for game companies to spend less money.
losing the source code doesn't mean you can't hire conpetant team of passionate devs to reverse engineer code without the source code needed.

>>712918312
Couldn't they just burn a couple cheap CDs?

>>712920531
>more content is actually a loss for the fans!
I hate this goddamn failure of a company so fucking much it unreal.

Hopefully they add in a way to recruit Delita and Alma.
If they do, Aries Ramza becomes surprisingly useful, if they don't then Aries is pretty much pointless.

>it's getting ported to the shitch
Yeah, no wonder it's not getting the PSP content then. Those faggots will defend and shill literally anything that releases on their system thanks to the sheer desperation for vidya.

>>712919110
Extra characters, missionsnand probably cinematics.

>>712916413 (OP)
I wasn't going to get it because of the "changes to story", but this is a whole other reason not to. Useless MMOfags.

>>712920531
Clown world

did matsuno really hate the WoTL stuff?

>>712916775
they're kinda like Ubisoft and/or Bethesda
incredibly incompetent but somehow still around

Square needs some people who know what to do as they're in a hopeless death spiral. They need men like Keiji Inafune, who built Capcom.

>>712921203
Unironically this.

>>712916608
The pixel remasters are the best versions for the music and fast battle options alone

>>712916714
That explains why WotL was such an unbelievably terrible port.

Man, if there was only a way for me to play FF tactics with the WoTL content right fucking now on my nintendo switch...
If only...

>>712921203
>con man being the reason why capcom is a pozzed westacuck company
lol

>>712920053
kino voiced cutscenes
more story stuff

>>712920631
If this game would have been released on Nintendo they would have had the source code.

>>712920225
>It's like they wanted to piss off every party that was even remotely interested in this
It really is for no real fan unless mods fix it.

>>712917983
>Blizzard was so grateful to get the disc back that they sent Khemist a copy of Overwatch, $250 in Blizzard store credit, and a ton of Overwatch and Diablo swag.
is this a joke? what the fuck is wrong with plebbitors? i would've told them they could buy it from me and started the conversation at 50k, hoping to settle for at least ~25k or something. $250 fucking dollars, what a joke. what a complete faggot

>>712916941
You'd be amazed how common this was back in the day.
Literally just throw the project in the recycle bin the moment it's finished and released to save some space, not even bothering to save it to a cd or something.

It's laughably stupid, but it's how things were done.

>>712920943
Ill be honest here, to this day I have no fucking idea what the horoscope changed if it changed anything at all.

>>712917983
sorry anon didn't mean to reply to you
meant for >>712918526

>>712916775
Because they are the EA of Japan. They really don't ever put out anything good, I dont understand how they are still going as they are even killing their fat cow FFXIV

>>712916413 (OP)
what a fucking joke
this was building up to be a pretty competent remake but now this
and secondaries will still pretend it's good

>>712916413 (OP)
Some pretty poor excuses coming from them. I'd wager the actual reason is they went over time and budget and cut corners.
It's funny because it looks like they put more effort into Tactics Ogre.

>>712921613
oy vey

>>712921656
The assets would take up a bunch of HDD though, while the source code would be the least effort to store. Square would have to dedicate several office rooms stacked top to bottom with just HDD to store it all. That requires them to care.

We could have had HD versions of FF7, FF8, FF9, instead of the ugly versions we got now.

>Matsuno is still asshurt over wotl content
why is he like this

>>712916714
>>712916941
>We need an excuse to sell you something else as DLC in the near future and look good

>>712921584
I didnt play WotL. I am guessing those images show that they removed dialogue from certain scenes?

>>712921702
Zodiac signs have compatibility with other zodiac signs that changes accuracy and damage of abilities.

>>712922026
He's a jap, they have this weird complex about others touching "Their game/series"

See: Sakurai and Kirby

>>712917602
Because the text is largely nonsense and frequently gets major plot points completely backwards. Nostalgia does not make it good.

>pre-order bonus is 2000 gil worth of equipment and a knife you get as a reward from your first battle

>>712921328
for me its the Lion War of The Lions mod for the ps1 release that adds all the wotl content
and ashley riot

>>712922284
what a joke lol

>>712922274
Not him and I certainly wont call the original script perfect, but I fucking hate the wotl script and would rather play the original than deal with the fakespear gibberish.

Thankfully it seems like they're toning that shit down in the remake script.

>>712922284
ramza in cum colors

>>712921702
Good compatibility = more healing, more damage, higher chance to land buffs/status ailments/revives.
Bad compatibility = less healing, less damage, lower chance to land buffs/ailments/revives.
Good compatibility with party members is good to have because it means you're less likely to miss things like Haste, Protect, and Raise while also restoring more health with Cure and Chakra.
Bad compatibility with bosses is often preferred to good compatibility; Since they're typically immune to things like Frog regardless, good compatibility won't help you land them at all whereas it will help the boss land Frog and Death Sentence and Petrify on you. You take less damage, which means healing up is easier than with good compat, and you deal less damage which doesn't matter as much because the majority of bosses don't equip Item or White Magic so you can chip away at them without worrying about them healing up.

Cancer, Pisces and Scorpio contain some of the best party members; Agrias, Orlandu, Rafa, Reis (+Luso in WotL) making any of the 3 a prime candidate for Ramza.
Gemini, Libra and Aquarius are sort of the "B" team; Mustadio, Malak, Beowulf, Worker 8, Cloud for a decent party, and Gemini has bad compatibility with a lot of bosses making it very defensive.
Saggitarius, Leo and Aries have 0 party members unless you're playing WotL where you get Balthier as your only Leo. This is why I'm hopeful for the ability to recruit Delita (Saggitarius) and Alma (Leo) to make the otherwise unimpressive Aries Ramza actually viable.
Capricorn, Taurus and Virgo only have Meliadoul, plus they have Good compatibility with most of the bosses, making Ramza much more fragile against fights like Gafgarion, Wiegraf, Velius, and the final boss.

>>712922185
texture comparison

>>712922284
I assume this will be a fucking $60~$80 game right?

>>712921992
it's fucking Blizzard, it's nothing but a bunch of sick leftoid degenerates. it is ones duty and a moral obligation to fuck them over.

>>712922752
$50 but the extra stuff will make it $60

>>712916413 (OP)
>final-fantasy-tactics-remake-wont-include-war-of-the-lions-content

Square is shockingly inept.

>>712916413 (OP)
Well, if I can't have my Husbando Balither in FFT, what the fuck is the point of buying this version when I can just emulate the PSP original?

>>712923249
The PSP isn't the original but there's no point

>>712917602
>DEFEAT DYCEDARG'S ELDER BROTHER!
On the level of "This guy are sick."

>>712923280
PSP is the best version.

>>712920434
>Losing Balthier
>Not a loss
He was as broken as Orlando.

>>712919005
it's insane how barebones it is considering it's been a project for at least 4 years

It's a bit of a shame but its not like there was a ton of extra WOTL content. It was just Dark Knight and Onion Knight jobs, right?

>>712920531
every time I hear about jewnix. its always retarded shit

>>712923419
balthier, luso (if you liked A2), there were some scenarios, they also expanded on reis' thing abit more

>>712920531
>>712920531
>>712920875
>matsuno is STILL seething over wotl

>>712916413 (OP)
I was gunna get the remaster but this is just pathetic. Square enix is unbelievably incompetent.

>>712923690
Man's been seething for over a decade over WoTL

>>712922681
Thats pretty cool

>ReMixed romhack makes Luso an actual Blue Mage instead of just a Ramza clone with Poach
The definitive edition already exists

>>712923690
Why would he? He was part of that team?

>>712916941
They simply don't care:
EA stored "Tiberian Sun" and "Red Alert 2" source codes somewhere and forgot about them.
Nobody knows (not even the people who worked on them) where they are and this is why we don't have a remastered collection 2.

>>712924834
The source code is in the game, just read the code.

>>712916941
square is comically retarded

>>712917104
Nah they do have good archival culture in general.
The problem is always square.
Not only this isn't the first time they lost a source code, it wouldn't even be the first time they run to nintendo to beg for a copy of said source code.

>>712922239
that's just being a normal human being
if anything westoids are the weird ones for not feeling anything from other people mangling their creations

They didn't think players would be stupid enough to pay 60 bucks for the same game with emulator filters back then.
Keeping the source code was not a priority

is church bad in this game?

>>712922274
>frequently gets major plot points completely backwards
Name 3.

>>712916413 (OP)
Why are Square Enix so damn lazy?

>>712925359
But companies were always selling emulation collections back then too

>>712925374
Church very bad

>>712916941
Not just in Japan, but many software companies didn't keep master source data because storage used to be extremely expensive. Companies would often just keep a final copy for their "archive" even though this is flawed because you can't always reverse engineer the source from the final thing.

Things are obviously different now, but there were no standard data saving practices back then.

>>712916413 (OP)
>FFT without the post game content WOTL added like the giant dungeon
Its just a worse game then with no reason to replay after the first playthrough or keep playing when you finish it. No reason to build any teams other than ones that can clear the story

>>712916413 (OP)
sometimes I wonder if dev leads get bonuses by farming disappointment from the fanbase

I wish they made FFT2 instead

Everyone has already played this

UI update and voice acting is not worth it

>>712925379
sucks we are talking about FFT and not VS because on the latter i can actually answer this question
>the hired goons in the original talk like common thugs, the trannylation makes them talk like noble erudites and actually makes them say they hired OTHER thugs to do some dirty work when they were said hired thugs
>rozen makes it sound like he was the MC's partner in the past, he wasn't he was just part of the same organization
>the english version completely misses samantha going utterly fucking yandere for guildman, so crazed for him that it's actually somewhat funny

>>712925683
Modern SE can't even make mainline FF games anymore and you want a FFT 2?

Yikes, this already seemed like a cashgrab but now they just lost a shitton of sales.

>>712925658
Deep dungeon is in the original
WotL barely adds anything besides dark knight and onion knight which are cool but are totally meme jobs

>>712925981
Oh i could have sworn it was WoTL thing i must have just never did it when I played it on the ps1

I thought they were adding shit from the original? You're telling me they're actually removing shit? Is this a fucking joke?

>>712926140
>Is this a fucking joke?
It's 2025 and it's a square game, so...

>>712926140
>Is this a fucking joke?
This is SE, only SE will try to say "less content is actually good"

>>712926470
>>712926518
SE have had exactly one good game in the past decade and they didn't even make it

>>712926518
>only SE will try to say "less content is actually good"
that's not true
crapcom does it too

>>712926140
WoTL isn’t the original, they’re saying it’s not going to have some of the extra stuff from the PSP port (but will presumably have its own stuff)

>>712926827
Yeah that's more what I was talking about. I thought they were adding some completely new original stuff for this version.

>>712916941

>>712926976
>square has been acting like a modern westoid company with mass layoffs since the 90s
somehow im simultaneously surprised and not surprised in the slightest

>>712921613
It was already fucked the moment he posted asking what it was

You simply upload that shit on a public internet cafe and disappear

>>712920631
nintendo is the only console company that cares about video games though
what the fuck has sony or microsoft made that's not pure checkbox focus grouped garbage

>>712927980
>nintendo is the only console company that cares about video games though
The fact that you probably unironically believe this really does go to show how insanely pathetic console warriors are. Imagine being this much of a fucking cultist.

>>712920053
>No mentions of removals

Particularly the little quotes that characters would say occasionally when casting spells or skills.

For this reason alone I never touched the WotL version.

>>712928083
you didn't respond to the second part of my post lil fruitcake
answer it

>no new content
>still includes the wotl translation
Fucking WHY?

>>712916413 (OP)
Anyone who buy this game is a fucking retard.

>>712917313
Wiegraf is easy if you just stack speed and attack buffs. I watched someone kill him and the demon with a single 999 Ramza punch.
It's the level after that's the real problem.

>>712928205
I'm not that anon so I of course have no obligation to answer anything. I didn't even read your dumbass reply chain I just saw an insanely delusional and stupid post and needed to call it out. Enjoy your $80 rerererererererelease of every generic Mario/Zelda slop you pathetic loser.

>>712928651
You are aware that final fantasy as a brand is at its lowest point?
You are aware that sales were so bad for square enix that they have no choice but to third party?
You are aware that we are 5 years into the PS5 and it still has no games?

>>712928789
Not a single one of those things are my problem. Don't care about FF, don't care about SE and don't care about the PS5. Always console warriors and projecting that just because they're pathetic losers with cultish level brand loyalty that everyone else is as well lmao. You're the only loser here.

>>712922284
>pre-order bonus: mythril knife
>can't equip the knife until you beat the first fight
>you also get the knife as a reward for your first fight
>first town also sells an unlimited amount of mythril knives
This might be the worst preorder bonus I've ever seen

>>712929020
>>can't equip the knife until you beat the first fight
>>you also get the knife as a reward for your first fight

The only way this makes sense is if they remove the knife as a reward from the first battle. I did the in-game math, and the bonuses are worth 2,200 gil, which is trivally easy to get even in the early game.

Does FFT have an auto mode? The biggest thing I always hate about these TRPGs is how slow and tedious manually moving every character around is.

>Why?
Because it fucking sucked that's why
I would MUCH rather they do WHAT THEY ARE DOING ALREADY, I MIGHT ADD in retooling parts of the base game that are janky or bad, adding difficulty modes, adding more story content
The shitty multiplayer content and a couple of jobs + crossover characters are NOT necessary
Pixel Remasters lost more not including the Finest Fantasy for GBA content than Tactics loses not having WOTL and THOSE games mostly have shitty superbosses and member berries from other games thrown in, the only one that really loses anything at all is FF4 with the party member swapping and character psychoanalysis lunar dungeons

>>712917602
The PS1 version came out when translations were less polished and prone to errors both grammatically and in localization.

It wasn't too far removed from the works of Ted Woosley and whatever ESL Jap did FF4. Remember that they viewed games as being exclusively for kids then so they'd change pubs to cafes, beer to juice, etc.

The original FFT gave us crap like
>items that are used in battle are items
>Defeat Dycedarg's elder brother!
>Open water gate a Bethla Garrison
>breath in attacks being translated as brace
>etc

WotL not only fixes these, it gives the game a better flair

Compare:

>Don't blame me. Blame yourself or God.

To:

>Tis your birth and faith that wrong you, not I.

Only an ESL would prefer the first. Same with the quote you replied to. Argath saying that animals have no god or you've been trash since your pathetic parents fucked you into existence in a gutter.

The first is simplistic and easy to understand, but the second cuts hard and really shows how little Argath views them.

>>712916413 (OP)
I can't even remember what was exclusive to WotL

>>712922361
God, I have to try that. It has NG+ too.

>>712929454
>>items that are used in battle are items
>>Defeat Dycedarg's elder brother!
>>Open water gate a Bethla Garrison
>>breath in attacks being translated as brace

Notice something? The most major mistakes were the side-text rather than the main dialogue text. The main dialogue was mostly fine and then they rushed to do the rest. These mistakes are then used to justify a whole sale conversion of the dialogue, when only refinements and tweaks were needed.

>WotL not only fixes these, it gives the game a better flair

Eat a Negro dick. The WotL devs saw the story was full of drama so they felt it was "Shakespearean" so they re-wrote the dialogue in that style. The original JP dialogue doesn't have accent, or anything, and is just presented as normal dialogue. Thus the original English translation is more faithful and accurate.

>>712919005
...if anything the mods might be worth while

>>712929454
>Blame yourself or God.
STRONG
IMPACTFUL
KINO AS IT IS TERSE DAREISAYIT
>Tis your birth and faith that wrong you, not I.
WEAK
LIMP
NOT KINGLY MATERIAL

Why are these guys the only generic class to use guns besides the Chemist?

>>712929454
>>Don't blame me. Blame yourself or God.
>To:
>>Tis your birth and faith that wrong you, not I.
>Only an ESL would prefer the first.

Eat

a

dick

No one talks like that. No one has ever talked like that. In Shakespeare's time no one talked like that. It's a flowery poetic kind of speech from Shakespeare's plays that the game is trying to emulate and it's 100% a fan-fiction creation of the WotL translation team that does not exist in the original Japanese at all.

>Should I eat an apple?
>Dost thine gaze upon a fruit of crimson which might fufill my apetite?
>Only an ESL would prefer the original over the super improved version.

>>712929878
>Old ESL translation which blatantly gets many objective details completely wrong
good
>New translation that's hard for my little brain to parse but which gets all the objective details correct
bad!!!

>>712929878
The main dialogue gets worse the farther into the game you get and becomes borderline incomprehensible

>>712930049
Because they are mediators. Because everyone knows guns de-escalate situations.

>>712929204
go back to your gacha slop you fucking retard
>hurrr why chess not auto play for me???

the original PSX translation is bad because it's only a step above machine translation

the PSP translation is bad because it adds unnecessary flair

but to be fair, Masada likes that kind of unnecessary flair. he worked closely with O. Smith on both Vagrant Story and FF12 and both of those games have very extravagant prose which isn't really in the original Japanese, given that Masada is an English speaker himself and worked with O. Smith on those titles, I can only assume he actually prefers to have his games translated like that so it's a consistent stylistic choice through his games

>>712930115
>>712930217
So? Fix it! Where does introducing faux-Shakespearean googleguk come in? It's 100% pure fan-fiction. The original translation is a good enough base to start with.

>>712930217
>The main dialogue gets worse the farther into the game you get and becomes borderline incomprehensible

Examples?

>>712916714
Staggering short sightedness and incompetence. Is it any wonder square is a shadow of itself these days?

>>712916413 (OP)
Pspchads win yet again

>>712930536
They lost the code back when they were "good" though.

>war of the Lions
>there are no lions fighting

>>712916826
That writing is so god damn awkward, its horrible.

>>712929878
>>712929981
>>712930072

>Don't blame me. Blame yourself or God.

Sounds like some edgey teenager rebelling against his Christian parents.

>>712918106
Yeah all the storage space a 1T hard drive must take up, I’m thinking a desk drawer. I bet you think nasa is on the level for erasing all the original apollo footage to “save money because tapes are expensive”.

>>712930675
Yes there are you retarded ESL.

>>712930863
God/fate are interchangeable in this scene. "Don't blame me, it's fate". It's actually not far off from "Nothing personal, kid".

As societies seculuarized, "God" got relegated to specific religious circumstances, while the older approach was to use god in a very loose way instead of nature, fate, universe, etc.

>>712918312
> but it was premium back in the day
Such bullshit. Stop making excuses for square’s short sighted incompetence.

>>712919117
Its ffv on a 3d chessboard with a story that starts with political intrigue and ends with you killing god.

>>712929924
There's already fantastic mods for the original.

>>712931047
newfag

>>712922005
> Square would have to dedicate several office rooms stacked top to bottom with just HDD to store it all.
What absolute horseshite.

>>712925731
Wtf are you even talking about? Not fft.

>>712930072
>It's a flowery poetic kind of speech from Shakespeare's plays that the game is trying to emulate

Guess what?

The storyline of the game is just a play performed by characters in FFXIV.

The story really ended with Ultima being too powerful to be stopped and only being able to be sealed away by Mustadio, Agrias and Orlandeau becoming Lucavi until the Warrior of Light was able to join forces with them and defeat her once and for all.

The play was written with certain liberties by Jenomis Sen Lexentale (real name: Arazlam Durai) and performed by his children Ramza bas Lexentale and Alma bas Lexentale.

The story of the game was just a play.

lol

>>712927980
Stellar blade and ds. They were major funders of both.

>>712919484
Cope. I played the original before you were even born, and the translation was considered terrible even back then. NPCs like yourself only started sucking it off when it triggered your "old good, new bad" script after WotL was released.

>>712931902
>Stellar blade
published by sony, literally the only thing sony did was force them to fucking censor it

>>712929454
> Only an ESL would prefer the first.
Troll or poser, call it

>>712932012
and all the extra language dubs lol

>>712930254
Retard

>>712932012
I accept your concession.

Literally no loss. Complaining about this is like complaining that the extra GBA content from IV / V / VI was removed from the Pixel Remasters, despite that content being actively detrimental to the games.

>NOOOOOOO THEY WONT GIVE ME SCRIMBLO BIMBLO FROM FINAL FUCKS X: LOST PANTIES EDITION AND I CANT HAVE THE MEGA EDGELORD CLASS OF ULTIMATE DARKNESS PAIN!!!!!!

>>712931857
I refuse to believe that's real

>>712930254
Most TRPGs actually do have an auto battle to make shitter fights quicker so clearly you're in the minority here. Also auto obviously doesn't work on important story battles that are more difficult which has always been the case so way to out yourself as a larper pretending to be a fan of the genre you fucking moron.

>>712932227
Yes, it is similar to that other stupid decision they made to remove content.

>>712930696
Reads fine to me. Is english not your first, by chance?

did WotL even add much for new content besides Balthier and Luso

>>712916941
Japan in 2025 still has not heard of github

>mental gymnastics to justify WoTL missing content
Nu-square enix is fucking retarded, i hope they goes bankrupt while i'm alive.

Can't wait to see how they butcher an all time classic.

>>712931669
They would, storage space is easy now becuase HDD are cheap, but these work stations would have only tens of GB of HDD storage. The assets (CGI, textures, backgrounds, music, etc) would be the biggest and would take many HDD per game to store. Then pile that up for hundreds of games.

The in-game CGIs are heavily compressed, but these files would be many GB in size. The associated 3D files would be big too.

So Square would ask: rent out storage space for useless junk or not? It had no value to them. There's also this lack of futureproofing mindset, where if you want to play Final Fantasy 6 or 7, you'd get a SFC or a PS1, regardless of the time period. Games were still new, so someone playing DQ on a Famicom in 1997 wasn't that strange.

>>712931857
That's FF14 shit right? Matsudo has had several sequel ideas running around, and the supposedly canon sequel idea is from some stupid card game where Ramza and Alma get involved in some other country's political shit, and Delita sends forces to confront Ramza.

These are all after-the fact material meant so that Matsudo could earn a buck for temp work. Not canon.

>>712916826
There are retards on this board that think this word diarrhea is better than "Animals have no god"

>>712931857
FF14 was never canon to the original Tactics or Ivalice. It's just an adaptation of the ideas and works.

>>712932513
And you can translate the original as "Beasts have no god". The word salad is 100% fan fiction that isn't even in the PSP FFT version. I hate how this fan fiction is loved by some.

>>712932290
>>712932434
>>712932525
Don't blame me. Blame yourself or God (Matsuno). After all, he wrote the Return to Ivalice content in FFXIV.

Doesn't he have final say on what is and isn't canon?

>>712932778
He literally said it isn't.

>>712916413 (OP)
>no bonus dungeons
>no dark knight or onion knight
for what purpose

>>712916826
>calls you a basic bitch
>calls your dad a basic bitch
>calls your mom a ho
>all in one sentence

>>712932406
They're using the WoTL translation in classic, and enhanced is using a new translation so L I T T L E M O N E Y is gone.

>>712932778
In-universe the events of Tactics are pretty different, from the Lucavi demons being voidsent from the Thirteenth reflection of XIV's own universe to Ultima the High Seraph being some kind of multidimensional or multiuniversal demon that's the source of the Ultima spell to Ramza being a Warrior of Light chosen by Hydaelyn (and Matsuno heavily implies your character is Ramza's blood descendant)

>>712932401
Github fucking sucks

>>712916714
So they lost WOTL but not the original FFT somehow?

>play Dragon’s dogma
>characters use outdated European terms like “aught” and “‘tis”
>not reflected in Japanese anywhere
Wtf bros…

>>712916714
how the fuck did they port it to android not too long ago

>>712932996
Man...
I just don't want to play it at all now.

>>712931857
nobody, and i mean nobody, gives a shit about FF14 lore

Asshole is wrong. Android version looks fine in high resolution.

>>712935350
>>712935350

>>712935424
It bothers me a lot that the remaster isn't using the Android sprites but alternative touch ups. Guess we'll have to see if modders can fix that.

speaking of that, did people really not like the extra content in gba/psp remakes of the first 6 ff games? People could just like... not do them. I ignored the word play labrynth in the psp remake of 2. its weird seeing people praise content get cut in the pixel remasters and now fft

>>712935815
I’ve never heard of that. Personally the wind dungeon was my favorite thing in FF1 GBA had some really cool areas

>>712935815
It's kind of a weird thing where it's rather variable. FF1, some bosses from other games and a superboss where the original kind of lacked one, but nothing groundbreaking. FF2, an entire extra story and final boss that serves as sort of a sendoff for the deceased cast, really depends on you liking FF2 enough to care. FF4, superbosses from other games and a free select of party members in the end game, kind of a superficial extension. FF5, three new jobs, more superbosses with one being tied to the backstory lore, not much to say but a lot of people hate those jobs not being carried forward despite them all being gimmicks. And FF6.. more superbosses, with one being a finished version of a dummied out boss that went unused from the original.

The games are complete enough without all of this, with only the FF2 extra story and FF4 selectable party finale stuff really meaning anything. For those who care about post/end-game bonuses and stuff to really sink their teeth into for an ultimate challenge, it sucks that it's all missing in the Pixel Remasters. To those that care more for nostalgia or just the straight game experience, it really doesn't matter for most of the rest of the content at all.

>literally just an upscaled potentially censored version of the game with even less content than the originals

lmao i just finished guardians crusade and i haven't played FFT in a while maybe I'll start a new save in that.

>>712931162
>No argument.
I accept your concession.

>>712935815
Half of the posts on this board are larping zoomies picking ridiculously extremist positions in any given debate, which they think makes them look like sophisticated veteran gamers, but just outs them as clueless retards to anyone who has actually lived through the stuff they are only talking about. That's how you get schizos like ACfag claiming that every game other than Tetris and Pacman is basically a visual novel, or the retard in this thread saying additional, optional content in a re-release is bad because it wasn't in the original (which was released 5+ years before he was born).
The content in FF5 GBA especially was great, the new jobs were fun and the game really needed an actually proper challenging optional endgame, even Omega and Shinryu were jokes if you had any Idea what you were doing.

>>712935815
I think the only bad one was the GBA FFIV and that was because it was even buggier than the original release.

>>712916721
Bootlickers that go "Oh I don't care about the extra classes because I didn't like them" are the same people that go "Who cares that they spy on you if you have nothing to hide?"

>>712931162
>square’s short sighted incompetence.
Here's the thing you need to understand: it wasn't just Square. Old Sonic source code? Gone, they've done entirely emulation or relied on fans to rebuild the games from scratch. Silent Hill? You saw that HD collection, that was beta builds and shit the team had to slap together themselves very poorly, there's no longer any finished sources for those games. Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne? Oopsie, gotta rebuild the game in Unity and hope we get it right (we didn't), and the same exact thing is seemingly happening to Raidou because they rebuilt the game from the ground up instead of simply using the old pre-renders.

While many 90's/00's devs lost their code, Japanese devs were ESPECIALLY infamous for doing it over and over and over again. In fact, they actually had a specific work habit of literally building their next game directly on top of what code they had, without backups for what came before, so by the time you start looking backwards they realize they can't just lolwinditback to what they'd need. This happened with Sonic Team and the Hedgehog Engine / HE2 stuff, they basically disemboweled geometry streaming that was in the engine since Unleashed to Generations so they could make more compartmentalized levels in Lost World for the Wii U, and that shit carried over to their next iteration of the engine where tons of hardcoding and weird bullshit has lingered in the Sonic game engines since 2013.

>>712920434
We shouldn't be talking about losses at all anon

>remake old game with less content and worse visuals
Why do corporations do this

>>712932227
>I have no standards
>Why do you have standards?

This is what people are pissing and shitting about? Two characters thrown in for fanservice, and two overpowered endgame jobs that basically exist to curbstomp what little the game has left at that point after it already gave you several curbstompers?

>>712937821
Banking on making as much profit with as little effort by exploiting nostalgia. Or it's just SE being incompetent as usual. This isn't the first time they've ruined revivals of their cherished IPs. Chocobo Racing and Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles were kneecapped by SE's retarded decisions.

>>712932404
Hey man, people love sucking cock. It's always the same shit.
>Hey nothing is confirmed yet incels
>It doesn't matter! God what losers
>I'm actually glad they removed it!
>They added the missing content back as DLC guys!!!! Get excited!!!

>>712938634
Pretty much! It's in the same vein as Necromancer/Gladiator/Oracle/Cannoneer for FF5 or the small collection of espers in FF6 (most of which are either better versions of existing ones, referential like Gilgamesh, or exist purely to address there only being one esper that gives a Speed increase on level-up in the original game)

>>712916413 (OP)
>here's the original game with a smoothing filter and censorship
>that'll be $80 + tip

>>712916820
The unlock conditions for Dark Knight were ridiculous enough that I don't miss it.

>>712939109
>old good
>new bad

>>712937821
There's a discussion in parallel in this thread about Square throwing away the source code and assets of their old games, and it's like a microcosm of the development of the industry as a whole how they went from not even thinking they would touch one of their older games ever again in the 90s, to just rehashing their older titles endlessly with less and less effort put into it each time nowadays. If you'd told 90's Square that this would be the future of their company, they would've called you insane.

>>712916413 (OP)

>>712916714
>>712916941
>They lost the source code
>"keeping that kind of data wasn't a normal thing to do at the time."

Not saying it isn't stupid to not keep the source code, but they didn't "lose" it like someone lost their house keys. Don't be disingenuous even if it's still retarded logic.

>>712937412
>>712938642
So one thing I can imagine is that there ARE alternative solutions, but publishers seem anathema to it. You can reverse engineer code and it takes a few years but you can do it. Imagine in 2008, Square, Capcom, Konami, etc just decided this was a problem, hired a bunch of western nerd boys and paid them a pittance to reverse engineer the codes in many of their games, and then re-released the games once it's done. You'd have a steady stream of new reverse engineered games coming out every few years.

Although it wouldn't cost much, it isn't "fast". If they want a re-release, they want it in a certain time limit. I mean, imagine if they started a reverse engineering project with some FFT nerds in 2015. They'd for sure be done by now.

>>712938938
>>712939026
lol

It's also a bunch of new battles, new challenge battles and multiplayer.

>>712939026
It's also weird if anyone gets hung up on the characters, because they're functionally reskin combos. Balthier is Mustadio+Thief with more equip benefits overall, and Luso is Ramza+Poach. Like, they don't even fit the canon or plot whatsoever, they just get self-contained events like Cloud and exist after that. Is anyone REALLY gonna care that they're not in the game?

>>712939654
the vast majority of which sucks complete cock

>>712939239
What's new about this? They can't even give us PSP content.

>>712930413
Not him, but pic related, that 'He who would save the high priest' comparisson image floating around.

There's also things like the technically-correct-but-completely-without-context lines like 'should've been flower sellers', inability to keep Altima/Ultima straight, literalisms like 'rebels plotting rebellion', the 'Houkten' and 'Nanten'.

Contentious claim in the other direction: Every new story addition bar the tl in WOTL is bad, and Matsuno should have kept his mouth shut instead of JK Rowling the story.

>>712939713
You know you don't have to engage with all the EXTRA content anon right?

>>712930072
>No one talks like that. No one has ever talked like that.
...so?

>Guys the Cloud implementation was pretty shit you have to admit.
>I'm glad they cut it

>>712939909
>people bitch about extra content being excised
>"well the content is kind of crap though"
>"you don't HAVE to engage with it you know"
The fuck kind of attempt at a turnaround is that? That doesn't dissolve the fact that it's not really necessary and won't be missed.

>>712935350
>>712935424
The mobile port of FFT is unironically one of the best versions to play
>All WotL content
>Looks decently upscaled
>The Multiplayer items and weapons are available in post-game
It's hilarious to see the Tactics port compared to the Pre-Pixel Remaster 1-6 mobile ports, which were all massively inferior.

>>712940054
>people bitch about extra content being excised
>"well the content is kind of crap though"
The fuck kind of attempt at a turnaround is that?

>>712931783
>sucks we are talking about FFT and not VS
Vagrant fucking Story

>>712940054
It's the
>Okay, maybe it's actually happening, but that's a good thing!
stage of bootlicking. It's always the same shit with the "people".

>>712939981
1. It's not historically accurate.
2. It's not Shakespearean which was poetic written in iambic pentameter.
3. It's not in the Japanese at all.
4. It's fan-fiction.

So why is it here? It's verbose word salad instead of the direct normal way they talk in the original.

>>712940054
Cloud should be cut too. He sucked.

>>712940393
If they actually fix Cloud instead of keeping all his skills tied to a literal secret weapon he could work.

>>712940462
Fixing, adding and improving shit is for losers. We cut things here.

>>712940334
Sorry anon I don't actually have a moral imperative to be upset that content I didn't like, added little, and was mainly extremely lategame or postgame isn't getting added

>>712921613
you would probably get sued if you do that lmao

>>712916413 (OP)
If true, you've got to be fucking kidding me.
ONE FUCKING JOB SQUARE ENIX, ONE FUCKING JOB. IF you want someone to buy a remaster/remake, it needs to be the
>best version, most content complete of previous versions, plus QoL/Graphics and perhaps new content
Anything else makes it look like an incomplete cashgrab waste of time. The got it right with some of the remasters or remakes of SaGa Minstrel Song / SaGa 2, DQIII, Star Ocean and some others so for fuck's sake don't fuck this up like the Pixel Remasters.

>>712939473
Not quite all, but it has been a long time since there was one that wasn't fucked up somehow.

>>712940562
I'm sorry you're retarded too anon.

>>712940261
>broken sound effects
It's shit.

>>712940562
Yes, you've made it pretty clear that you have no standards. You certainly seem to have a moral imperative to be upset about anyone who does, however. Or at least one to fiercely defend the billion dollar corporation.

>>712940789
Nah, he's right. All of them suck cock.

>>71292127
Sprites look like shit and the menus/UI look like mobile trash, tho.
Any phone can emulate better versions with a bunch of mods as well for free, so...

>>712916714
Many such cases.
There was someone on /v/ saying they worked on a siphon filter or splinter cell game and apperently the publisher got ahold of them asking if they had a errant copy of the source code because they had deleted it like a month after the game shipped and there was some sort of issue that they wanted to fix for a reissue, and this was like early 2000s. Devs do not care about game preservation, to them it's a security risk and a burden to keep around.

>>712940795
>>712940940
>I don't care the shitty content is gone
>Reeeeee you bootlicker!
Crazy

>>712922681
I don't remember but was it WotL or something they added Ophiuchus (I think they called it Serpentarus in the western localization) , the 13th Zodiac sign?

>>712941056
nah the star ocean 2 one was really good

>>712921283
Nah, that's just Squeenix actively sabotaging the port because they feared the power of the UMD may not have been enough for their PSX game port. That's why it had hideous amounts of slowdown, it is BAKED IN the game and not a technical issue.

...I don't know why they removed incantations, though...

>>712940739
It is kind of crazy how much Kawazu made sure the remasters of his games were BEYOND definitive. Beyond aesthetical preferences (god i hate square remaster UIs...), they really are the complete (enough, SaGa Frontier is still an empty ass game...) experiences and well worth the cheap price of entry. All the original content, new content, the upscaling doesn't look like complete shit. All for a series 99% of Square fans don't care for.

Play SaGa, bros (and Legend of Mana!).

>>712941150
More like:
>I don't care the shitty content is gone
>I don't care that you personally don't care, what does this add to the discussion?

1. The game needs a strong rebalance - but they won't do that as too many changes would ruin the nostalgia.
2. They won't add the WotL content because it's not in the original.
3. They're adding WotL translation to classic mode.
4. The sprites are a simple upscale rather than porting from the Mobile version.
5. It's priced like a new game for some reason.

It's like scientifically engineered to be stupid and piss everyone off. Sub-par by sdeisgn.

>>712941150
Do you own Square-Enix stock? If not, of what benefit is the (100% optional) content not being in the game to you, that you feel the need to defend its lack so? They're clearly not investing it into something else about this remaster, or any of their other games, it's going straight into the shareholders' pockets.

>>712941346
>the conversation only progresses if i'm agreed with
Not How It Works

>>712941284
>and Legend of Mana!
I had my fill on the PS1. If the PC port of the remaster wasn't such dogshit that it stutters and feels so goddamn awful to play maybe I could've stuck with it again, but no.

>>712922005
>ff7 released in 1997
>cd burners were available for consumer purchase before 1995
there's no reason they couldn't have simply burned shit to several redundant sets of cds, labelled them like microsoft did "ff7 source code disc 1/364".

>>712916413 (OP)
Don't wait for this crap and play the PSP version on emulator.

>>712941346
You seemed upset when people just called out you had no standards by not agreeing with you. The conversation progresses either way, your personal shitty standards about how a remake should be handled just don't add much to the conversation.

>>712941284
>because they feared the power of the UMD may not have been enough for their PSX game port.
which is funny because the PSP could run PS1 games at full speed and better loading times

>>712941587
Basically the guy that goes "Works on my machine"
Do you need a cookie or something?

>>712941824
>>712941587
Meant for (you)

PSX version has mistakes, but it's the best version overall. The translation problems are mildly annoying, but anyone above a 3rd grade reading level can get what its trying to say. PSP's effect slowdown and completely botched sound is totally unforgivable. SE never recovered, now they recycle the same broken version with goofy excessive translation over and over.
>>712916413 (OP)
I assume the WotL shit will be DLC.

anyone who wastes their money on this may as well tongue the CEO of square enix's asshole while theyre at it

>>712916714
Isn't Nintendo the only reason the Mana remakes exist? Doesn't seem like Suqeenix kept anything from those days.

>>712941897
>>712942065
i have standards that's why i am angry about the literally nothing missing from this remake

>>712942108
>I assume the WotL shit will be DLC.

Nope. The new interview with the director says they considered it and rejected it as it's not part of the original.

>>712942153
I'm not only going to buy it, I'm going to buy the deluxe version. You mad?

>>712941695
Okay, so here's a simple problem here: storage.
CDs, especially back in the day, were especially prone to disc rot. Most CDs were not designed to last longer than 10 years. You have to have your own cold storage to hold these backups to make sue they don't just deteriorate. This is why Nintendo has basically every ROM that they ever had their hands on, they can afford to maintain them. Someone like Square which had NUMEROUS financial issues over the course of the 30+ years of existence...didn't.

Again, no one is defending Square's "LMAO SOURCE CODE GOES IN THE SQUARE HOLE" policy, but there are some logistical errors that can explain why they weren't necessarily thinking in the long term...

>>712941839
It could run the original FFT and spell animations at full speed! Yeah, it would be off the Memory Stick Duo (god, fuck Sony's proprietary memory cards...), but it isn't that fucked a console!

>>712942108
I wouldn't consider either translation good localization practices or worth supporting. Yeah, you can have your personal preferences, but neither are worth defending. They are just bad translations that muddy the intent.

>>712942192
You're angry?

>>712941284
Yeah the Mana games were also particularly well done for the 3D remakes, having all the content and going beyond. Even the fucking ActRaiser Renaissance is a significant improvement over the original (with the exception of some UI bullshit).

Square Enix is the LEAST consistent of all the Japanese publishers. Sometimes they get everything right, sometimes they massively fuck it up. I'm still salty that
>FFIV Pixel Remaster
Did not include GBA content, nor content from one of the "optimal" versions of the game which is PSP Complete Collection or 3D Remake. Also I'm twice as fucking annoyed that 3D Remake when it finally came to PC lacked JP audio - you need a fucking MOD to fix it because they couldn't be bothered to code a switch to pick voice language despite the content being there - its a fuckup left over from the iOS/Android port (and that shouldn't have happened either; you could hav given people the chance to pick the language rather than just grab the local of the mobile device etc)

>>712941284
That doesn't explain why the audio is so terrible though. Losing the source materials does. Intentional sabotage for whatever reason is a goofy theory.

>>712942257
enjoy your life while it lasts. you're easily replaceable by an AI with a bank account

>>712942331
3/10

>>712942236
I can honestly see why Matsuno chose that option. Most people always talk about the PS1 version and not the PSP, and he didn't work on the PSP version at all. They may be keeping the localization because it's what they probably own nowadays, but fundamentally it wasn't his work and all.

>>712942259
>This is why Nintendo has basically every ROM that they ever had their hands on, they can afford to maintain them. Someone like Square which had NUMEROUS financial issues over the course of the 30+ years of existence...didn't.
>Again, no one is defending Square's "LMAO SOURCE CODE GOES IN THE SQUARE HOLE" policy, but there are some logistical errors that can explain why they weren't necessarily thinking in the long term...

Nintendy could have and should have opereated a storage company for these devs. Wouldn't have costed much.

>>712916413 (OP)
I don’t get it, why does this thread want me to care about fanfiction.

>>712942384
1/10
What game is this?

>>712916413 (OP)
So the only reason to buy this version would be a new UI + Voices? We waited so long for this? I'm beyond disappointed, sqenix can go bankrupt right now for all I care.

>>712942441
As far as Japanese company relations go, Nintendo and Square were practically at war during the PSX era. Even if they had offered that service, they would not have offered it to Square at the time.

>there are people that have spent the last 2 or 3 decades arguing about Japanese media online, with translations being a frequent topic of debate, and have never just learned the language
How is it even possible to be that stupid and lazy?

>>712942189
Collection of Mana, not the remakes. Adventure/Secret/Trials of Mana were all done to give Studio XEEN something to do and boost popularity for Mana mobile game (rip in piss, lmao), while Collection could exist because Nintendo keeps the ROMs in cold storage. Hence why it is still Switch only.

>>712942346
It does come down to the fucking HYDRA that is Square Enix and all their subsidiaries. It is hard to keep track and manage what they are doing at all times, hence the absurd differences in quality for their projects. Squeenix is notoriously mismanaged and basically entirely held up by FFXIV and Dragon Quest X money...

>>712942441
Good thing to also remember that Nintendo and Square weren't friends in the 90s. The Nintendo Playstation flop and Nintendo 64 sticking with cartridges REALLY DID drove a wedge between the companies.
And before you ask, Sony's not much better at keeping track of their games either, hence why the PS3 ports of games like Ratchet, Jak and Sly Cooper are BEYOND FUCKED. It's hard to remove their load-bearing Esoteric PS2 Tech from within when you don't have the Source Code.

>>712942357
Do note I am being pretty glib by intentional sabotage. Some of it is just them underestimating just how powerful the PSP actually was given how early WOTL came out in the console's lifespan. But ultimately, it is just pure negligence of one of their most respected games. Hence the sound mixing issues, they just...didn't care.

>>712942108
Can you read? They are literally cutting out all the WOTL shit and are using the original VFX and SFX

>people understandable care more about the original PSX version
>but there are also people who liked the extra things WoTL brought to the table even if a good amount of it was superfluous
>the only thing this re-release does is balance (lol) adjustments and some changes to the gameplay with also full VA work and story additions/changes (most likely for the worse given modern SE)
>wotl content will never be added anyways because matsuno is still seething over it and it wasnt his work anyway
>end result is just a subpar mess no one really wants

>>712916413 (OP)
GOOD I dont want the best gear and weapons for a whole class locked behind pvp content.

>>712925374
Church is legitimate bad in this

>>712922284
Weak

>>712943208
>the only thing this re-release does is balance (lol) adjustments and some changes to the gameplay with also full VA work and story additions/changes (most likely for the worse given modern SE)

I feel like some group of people is blatantly trying to “get ahead of the narrative” and decided the game is bad (no matter what). A FFT with more maps and side content would be better than WOTL pretty easily.

man, how come SaGafag and DQfags get good remakes/remasters when we dont get shit. for what is one of their best non mainline titles they sure as fuck did a shit job with this, not even factoring the clusterfuck that is the pixel remasters for the mainline games

>>712943521
They aren't. What we've seen so far just isn't good signs.
>A FFT with more maps and side content would be better than WOTL pretty easily.
Sure, but them doing any of that remains to be seen. Why speculate on things they might or may not do? Instead you just criticize what you know so far.

>>712942842
Nobody who has learned the Japanese language could ever maintain the position retards in these threads hold, because if they spoke Japanese, they would've realized that to anyone coming from a western literary tradition, the average Japanese dialogue writing has all the flavor of a particularly dry kitchen appliance instruction manual, and good Japanese writing requires a deep immersion into actual Japanese culture and mindset (not just shounen and morshit anime and JRPGs) to appreciate.
Basically, these kind of posts just self-select for clueless retard posters.

>>712943521
>I feel like some group of people is blatantly trying to “get ahead of the narrative” and decided the game is bad (no matter what). A FFT with more maps and side content would be better than WOTL pretty easily.

There's no new content only some adjustments that includes some more dialogue from named characters in battle. There was a famitsu article on this.

lol if you think this will include anything not already shown.

>>712943781
>>712942842
Japanese is complicated and I never knew where to start and never felt that I could actually learn it. I lack self-confidence to actually beliieve that I can do anything.

>>712943521
Everything they showed so far points at this being a lazy cashgrab. They took the psx original added VA, a fancy UI and easy mode and called it a day.

>>712943781
>the average Japanese dialogue writing has all the flavor of a particularly dry kitchen appliance instruction manual
Sounds like you also don't know Japanese because any subtleties and connotations are lost on you.

>>712943885
The Genki textbooks. That's it. Read them, do the exercises, then play some simple games.

>>712943803
Ok so if this is true
>the game has full VA and more dialogue for story characters
>you can’t play as one completely useless class and one that requires an excessive amount of grinding

Kind of sucks and I’d like more since I don’t care about VA but doesn’t justify this ridiculous doomposting

>>712944265
Matsuno is a fag and he should have chose to edit this material down, like re-working Dark knights and onion knights.

Seeing them talk about FF16 and how they need to talk to them about the new UI shows how clueless they are. The only big improvement is the addition of the turn order without having to select as separate menu for it. The new UI is very bland and smart phone looking.

Not buying this game until it goes on sale and modders add in WOTL. Matsuno and his team is on an ego trip and took out WOTL content just because they didn’t make it

>>712943521
Every single piece of information so far has outright talked about the removal of content, or confirmed the lack of new content. Between this and Squenix abysmal track record in recent years with the pixel remasters, why would there be any reason to assume they would suddenly announce the addition of content that they failed to point out in any of the initial press releases, outside of a desperate cope?

>>712944504
That's probably it, but the exact reasoning is that FFT original is narratively and gameplay complete enough and it's the version most people know. yeah, people aren't up on the PSP port, so what?

>>712944504
What was the WOTL content anyway?
The Balthier and Luso showing up and the extra dark dragon health sponge boss for the dragon lady and Beowulf's story?
Outside of the two meh classes I mean.

>>712941056
No you suck cock.
Some remasters and remakes are fine, stop pretending you're some old guard who played the OG's.

>>712944587
Taking out optional content on a remake/remaster will never fly for me. Anyway, modded wotl will still be the definitive edition for me until we get something like the tweak mod on steam. Hopefully the game becomes dirt cheap after a year

>>712944682
>What was the WOTL content anyway? This and this? Or this and that? Oh and this? Meh.

>>712944813
Did you have a stroke?

>>712944880
I'm rephrasing your post by using a meme arrow anon. Tell me where you got confused.

>>712944813
>Its good to have less content because I, the anon that has the final say on everything decided its bad

>>712944102
>Sounds like you also don't know Japanese because any subtleties and connotations are lost on you.
I guess Dekinai-chan was right, (you) don't even speak English. I pointed out how subtleties are present in good Japanese writing right in the next sentence.
I'm also not saying that the average Japanese writing is bad - for a Japanese audience. But they have different expectations and attitudes when it comes to writing. If you don't know enough about Japanese to understand even this much, your opinion in anything related to it is inconsequential.

>>712945027
Nta
I care so little about the stuff from WoTL that my reaction to its exclusion is “damn that sucks I liked recruiting Behemoth in the Luso fight to get them early”

>>712945247
Ok. Given the choice of Ivalice Chronicles without WotL's content, and Ivalice Chronicles with WotL's content, which one would you choose.

>>712945364
But the remaster doesn’t have WoTL content

>Original chef came back and took out the new type of cheese they added in to your favourite meal
>Still charges the same price
>”Fine with me, I didn’t even like that cheese”
This basically sums it up

>>712945451
Kek. I set myself up for that.

>>712945484
Cheese will be added back by modders and then they will act like this was the best cheese in the world. It keeps repeating itself.

>>712945484
I'm vegan so I don't eat cheese anyway

>>712945230
You said, and I quote
>because if they spoke Japanese, they would've realized that to anyone coming from a western literary tradition, the average Japanese dialogue writing has all the flavor of a particularly dry kitchen appliance instruction manual,
This is a blanket, hand-wavey statement that someone who doesn't read books in English and can't read books in Japanese would say to try to generalize all Japanese game and manga writing as simple and boring while still leaving the door open to praise their (perceived) high literature.
>I'm also not saying that the average Japanese writing is bad - for a Japanese audience.
See this right here? This means nothing. You're creating pointless dichotomies to essentially hedge your bets on what you're calling good writing in bad because you're trying to maintain the position that someone who reads English literature couldn't possibly find Japanese game prose interesting. That's a position that only someone who doesn't actually read Japanese would take.

>>712945484
Love myself some food analogies.
In any case, it's more like:
>Restaurant comes under new management
>Adds free dessert option to existing popular meal
>Management changes again
>Removes free dessert option, still charges the same price
>Anon enters restaurant, goes up to every customers' table separately and tells them how this is actually a good thing because he personally didn't like the dessert

>>712942902
>Dragon Quest X and FFXIV money
I'll never understand how they don't bring DQX to the West; not even the offline or small group version, but it should be the online version. People would buy if it was worthwhile and a decent localization. FFXIV is one hell of a fuck up and I hate their monetization - its obvious that policies like always having new Mog Store stuff to buy is obnoxious as fuck and even more so the
>here's a Minion , emote, or outfit that you can ONLY get if you buy the artbook, LP soundtrack, or a $350 statue!
>Also, in game holidays and events dont let you unlock shit from past years when they come around again, you miss it you pay big money PER PIECE, atop the new costumes, orchestreon songs, housing shit , mounts, and even fucking EMOTES you pay out the ass to get. Not counting all the shit that's just plain exclusive if you weren't here before etc
There are other issues but its obvious they seem to squeezing every fucking cent out of FFXIV to make up for their other failures and players pay the price.

>>712946094
Actually I'm going up to everyone telling them that the meal was complete as it was originally and that the dessert is extra stuff that doesn't compliment the meal and you don't need it and you're not missing out on anything by not having it and if you REALLY want it then you can go dig in the dumpster for free dessert that is old as fuck but it's free

>>712944806
They probably just have the mindset that the real FFT is their version, and the PSP port is just an alteration.

>>712946094
This is a much better analogy thank you. Only thing i’ll change is saying that old management came back, removed the free dessert option, and telling people that they don’t need it since the original meal is perfect already

>>712945931
>This is a blanket, hand-wavey statement that someone who doesn't read books in English and can't read books in Japanese would say to try to generalize all Japanese game and manga writing as simple and boring while still leaving the door open to praise their (perceived) high literature.
You are defending a position you didn't state against a position I never took using a quote that does not touch upon either. I don't think you have much room to criticize anyone's usage or understanding of language.

>>712946460
Please stop harasssing the customers, Anon. This is a family restaurant, some of the children are starting to feel scared.

>>712929454
>t. faggot who uses "whilst" and "per chance"

>>712922284
Lmao a mythril knife, like the one you get for free the first battle

I will save my spiteposts for when the game comes out and i can check it for myself, until then i sleep

>>712930049
All political power flows from the barrel of a gun. -Delita Zedong

>>712946658
>a position I never took
Anon please, this isn't my first day on the internet watching people talk about literature in languages they don't read. I can see right through you.

so the play is either just play psx fft with the wotl modded or wotl with the speed hack to kill the slowdown and not buy the trash correct?

>>712932349
It's complete garbage. It's what a high schooler would write in an attempt to sound "Shakespearian". It "reads well" to you because you've never read anything outside of a video game.

>>712947475
>Anon please, this isn't my first day on the internet watching people talk about literature in languages they don't read.
I'll take your word for it. But I will have to assume it is your first day on the internet being exposed to the English language, as you still fail to parse a sentence and successfully grasp its meaning. But don't worry, you'll get there eventually.

>>712916941
Bro this game was made in 1996. The average comuter hard drive was 1.2gb total. With the most expensive external option being 2gb.

A single development at the time on average was 650mb-1gb in data. Thats like two games per external hard drive and these things were bricks that had a much higher failure rate.

On top of this digital distribution was not mainstream and people had no concept of remasters and digging up old hardware. They would outright just make a cheaper version for other hardware copy pasting as much as they could.

Its just time and the exponential explosion in storage size.

>>712948361
>to anyone coming from a western literary tradition, the average Japanese dialogue writing has all the flavor of a particularly dry kitchen appliance instruction manual
>>good Japanese writing requires a deep immersion into actual Japanese culture and mindset (not just shounen and morshit anime and JRPGs) to appreciate.
These are your words. Please expound on those ideas and give examples of what you mean by "average Japanese dialogue" as well as "deep immersion into actual Japanese culture" that contradict the assessment I made. Try not to feign aloofness and refuse to elaborate because that'll just make it obvious that I've caught you with your pants down and that your English isn't nearly as slick as you want to pretend it is, and your Japanese familiarity is non-existent.

>>712948804
Are you the anon that was arguing about Jap prose in the other thread?

>>712949445
>don't answer the question
>ask about some other argument you had in another thread instead
Didn't have that on my bingo card.

>>712949794
I'm not the anon you were talking to, calm down.

>>712941284
No thank you the only SaGa I like is FF2 :^)

>>712949848
Then I have no idea what you're talking about.

>>712939761
the roster size increase is pretty important if you plan getting all the side characters AND doing poaching
the meliadoul, rapha, & marach buffs are also nice but inconsequential if you don't use them anyway

>changing this
Ah fuck

>>712931294
Yeah, I was literally setting up a "hard mode" run on PPSSPP when I heard about the remaster -- and I knew they were never going to add a NG+ or hard/challenge mode but here we are

>>712948804
>Please write an essay to counter a position that I made you take in my head because I got angry at a perceived slight against writing in Japanese children's media I consume, so that I can easily counter it with a handwave response
No, I don't think I will. But I can admit that I'm petty enough to not let you have the smug satisfaction of claiming that my lack of willingness to engage you is tantamount to some kind of concession, so I'll rephrase my point using simple English so even you can understand it:
Japanese people grow up on Japanese-style writing and expect Japanese-style writing. Japanese-style writing is good for them. English-speaking people grow up on English-style writing and expect English-style writing. English-style writing is good for them. But Japanese-style writing is not English-style writing, and it is often not good for people who are only used to English-style writing. The reverse is also true. Because of this, English people and Japanese people need good translations, or must spend a lot of time studying the other's writing. This also means learning about the other's culture. Because this helps understand the reason for their writing style.

>>712950789
>No, I don't think I will.
That's what I thought.
>But I can admit that I'm petty enough to not let you have the smug satisfaction of claiming that my lack of willingness to engage you is tantamount to some kind of concession, so I'll rephrase my point using simple English so even you can understand it:
Sorry, but that's not how this works.
>Japanese people grow up on Japanese-style writing and expect Japanese-style writing.
This is wrong and stupid and meaningless.
>But Japanese-style writing is not English-style writing, and it is often not good for people who are only used to English-style writing. The reverse is also true.
If this were actually true, then Murakami wouldn't have a career.
>This also means learning about the other's culture.
This is the only thing you've said that holds any merit at all.

Sorry you got so butthurt that you tried to respond while still avoiding the direct question and you still made a fool of yourself.

>>712916413 (OP)
Good. The WotL content was 90% pure trash that added NOTHING to the experience and any retard who likes it can just play WotL.
It likely wasn't kept because the original creator didn't intend it. (He had nothing to do with its production.)
Hopefully the new stuff he creates is better. I can't see how it wouldn't be...

>>712931857
>>712932525
>>712932778
FF14's Ivalice is just an alternate universe. It's like Gundam Valhalla in Build Fighters.

>>712951306
>Sorry, but that's not how this works.
It is evident from your posts that you suffer from some form of narcissism, so this will likely sting a bit, but you do not get to decide how this works.
>If this were actually true, then Murakami wouldn't have a career.
And if it weren't true, Soseki wouldn't be one of the most enduring authorities on the subject of both types of literature, and the ways in which they differ.
>Sorry you got so butthurt that you tried to respond while still avoiding the direct question and you still made a fool of yourself.
"You've completely shattered whatever point I thought I had, but you didn't abide by the arbitrary rules I set beforehand, so I still win even thought I have no argument" was such a predictably trite response from you, but I guess in a way it's a fitting end to the discussion. I think we can at least agree on one thing, I am indeed sorry for expecting any response except a flowery "no u" from you.

Yeah but are they fixing the WotL sound effects?

>>712952027
>but you do not get to decide how this works.
Actually, I do. You're running away from a direct question and trying to talk in circles because I caught you with your pants down. That made you angry, and you took it as an insult to your intelligence, which you should. It hurt your pride and you're mad.
>And if it weren't true, Soseki wouldn't be one of the most enduring authorities on the subject of both types of literature, and the ways in which they differ.
The entirety of your argument is predicated on the idea that people can't learn another language and its cultural norms, and that whatever they're "trained on" from birth is what they'll come to expect and appreciate. If that retarded and worthless notion held any water, then Soseki wouldn't have any appreciate for English literature at all. And just because I know you're going to try to talk around that again, I'll go ahead and quote what you said explicitly one more time.
>to anyone coming from a western literary tradition, the average Japanese dialogue writing has all the flavor of a particularly dry kitchen appliance instruction manual
>Japanese people grow up on Japanese-style writing and expect Japanese-style writing. Japanese-style writing is good for them. English-speaking people grow up on English-style writing and expect English-style writing. English-style writing is good for them. But Japanese-style writing is not English-style writing, and it is often not good for people who are only used to English-style writing.
And because I can already see the pathetic attempt at a defense coming from a mile away, no, the word "often" in that sentence doesn't act as some magic defense of your complete absurd argument.
>but I guess in a way it's a fitting end to the discussion.
Don't be silly. Now that I've directly pointed out the glaring gaping hole in your argument we both know you're going to keep arguing to try to defend your objectively untenable position.

>>712952536
Yes. But to me they still sound worse than the original ps1 from the little i've seen.

>>712924015
He wasn't. He said none of the original team was involved in WotL as far as he knew. I don't think this is his fault though, it's just square enix being a bunch of lazy kikes like usual

>>712940462
You can unlock him earlier, and Matsuno asked if Cid should be nerfed so they're open to balancing changes at least.

>>712916413 (OP)
Hoo boy, I'm glad I didn't pre-order it then. Game is literally dead on arrival, fuck Square.

>>712952757
>Actually, I do.
No, you don't, in spite of the version of me your schizoid mind has concocted to desperately find somebody to argue with because you saw yourself reflected in my original post, the clueless Japanese-illiterate media consumer who nevertheless has extremely strong opinions on the subject of language and translation.
>The entirety of your argument is predicated on the idea that people can't learn another language
I have not claimed this anywhere at all. It is not stated in the parts of my post you quoted, implicitly or explicitly. I have stated the exact and literal opposite, twice:
>and good Japanese writing requires a deep immersion into actual Japanese culture and mind
>Because of this, English people and Japanese people need good translations, or must spend a lot of time studying the other's writing. This also means learning about the other's culture.
I reiterate what I said initially: You do not even understand English. You are trying to argue in a language you have no grasp of.
>Don't be silly. Now that I've directly pointed out the glaring gaping hole in your argument we both know you're going to keep arguing to try to defend your objectively untenable position.
There is nothing to defend, because we are not having an argument. An argument requires two parties to each take up incompatible positions. I have not taken up the position that you made up, and you have not taken up any position at all. From the beginning, you've done nothing except to screech into the void in your indignation from being called out in my original post, and I have done nothing except throw ad hominems at you to make fun of your miserable grasp of the English language, because I am not willing to defend a position I did not take in an argument a mentally deficient man, who has no position at all, keeps having entirely in his head. But I am admittedly very petty, as I said, and will happily continue to insult you until the thread dies.

>>712916413 (OP)
Well no reason to buy it

>>712916714
Why are these fucking retarded companies always losing the source code for their games?

>>712954482
Even if it had the WotL content there'd be no reason to buy it. WotL already exists...

The reason to buy this version in the new UI, full voice acting, and the new content/story additions.

So it's just FFT Pixel Remaster in disguise, to think I was actually looking forward to this...

>>712916714
This is a lie because WotL and mobile versions exist. Holy shit fuck Square Enix up their retarded ass this company deserves to go out of business

Why can't Japs make an ultimate best version of an RPG? There's also some sort of downgrade or compromise compared to the original. You have this, all of Tales of Symphonia's remasters being stuck at 30 FPS, Dragon Quest VIII 3DS version having worse graphics than the PS2 version, Dragon Quest XI Echoes having worse graphics, Skies of Arcadia Gamecube has worse audio and missing minigames, and I'm sure there are plenty of more examples but those are just off the top of my head, I could probably sit and think of a lot more.

>>712955059
I don't think you understand how source code works. Just because the gane exists doesn't mean you have access to its source code.

>>712954418
>No, you don't, in spite of the version of me your schizoid mind has concocted to desperately find somebody to argue with because you saw yourself reflected in my original post, the clueless Japanese-illiterate media consumer who nevertheless has extremely strong opinions on the subject of language and translation.
I went to college in Japan and am fluent in Japanese. I've also worked on fan and professional TL projects. You're projecting because you're angry and ignorant.
>It is not stated in the parts of my post you quoted, implicitly or explicitly.
Saying something doesn't make it true, because you explicitly implied it.
>I reiterate what I said initially: You do not even understand English. You are trying to argue in a language you have no grasp of.
You're stupid and angry that you got called out. You need to move on from this. You said something stupid and insisted that people by and large will not learn another langue and its surrounding culture and as a result get trained on one type of literature and then always have expectations that things will read that way. That's wrong. If it wasn't, Murakami wouldn't be such a lauded author.
>There is nothing to defend,
Again, saying things doesn't make them true. You said the argument was over but you replied again, literally to defend yourself by pretending you didn't actually say the things you said. You're the one who doesn't know English.
>ad hominems
Ah, you're a redditor pseud. That makes a lot of sense. We can add Latin to the list of languages you don't understand. Ad hominem isn't interchangeable with insult. Only the most retarded of redditors think that's what it means or how it's used. You can have another reply if your can demonstrate proficiency in any of the three languages that have come up as points of contention. If all you do is continue to lie and misuse words, then you won't get another reply.
>because I am not willing to defend a position I did not take
You did.

>>712955220
>professional TL projects
Are you one of those guys who put troon language in? I don't think saying you worked as a professional troonslator is the brag you think it is.

>>712955180
If they didn't have source code at the time they made the PSP version that means they remade the whole thing from scratch. Sounds like a lot of effort but it's plausible to reverse-engineer a game. Did they not save the assets then? Okay but then they made mobile versions too. Did they not save those either? Or did they actually decide to go out of their way to ignore the work done on WotL and remake the game again? Then they're retarded and have no one to blame but themselves.

>>712955347
Wasn't the PSP version some jank ass emulated PSX version? I thought that's why they couldn't figure out how to fix the lag.

So now suddenly everyone cares about wotl's content, you faggots are hilarious.

>>712955440
It had new jobs, different localization and brand new cutscenes. I find it hard to believe they would do that on top of a PS1 wrapper because at that point the modifications would have to be so extensive you might as well remake the game.

>>712955346
>Are you one of those guys who put troon language in?
No, I hate trannies and faggots, especially when they ruin Japanese media. Commie and the cartel all suck.

>>712955567
Kill yourself shill

>>712955567
>So now suddenly everyone cares about wotl's content
Yes I do care about it. I don't want the shitty garbage translation in the new game.

Anyone looking forward to play the Enhanced version on Tactical difficulty? Enhanced allows you to recruit 50 characters total (the problems with monster eggs still remains), and you can recruit Cloud at the same time frame as in WotL.

>>712917313

>OG Wiegraf

*laughs in Ninja/Monk Ramza*

>>712955567
Nigger literally some of the first questions people asked when this was shown was "Where's the WoTL classes?"

Will they AT LEAST make new content exclusive to this version?

>>712955220
>Saying something doesn't make it true, because you explicitly implied it.
1. I noticed you can't point out where I actually said it. It's hilarious seeing you try to constantly claim I'm projecting this and avoiding that while transparently worming your way out of your own inane non-point.
2.You went on a huge tangent about how I supposedly misused ad hominem (which hilariously not only outs you as the redditor here, because only a redditor would be so anal - don't you have any fallacies you want to accuse me of making for some upvotes? - but also shows that you do not understand the term yourself, because you are, again, wrong), yet you are too much of an ignoramus to recognize your own oxymoron. "Explicitly implied"? You're making this almost too easy.
>then you won't get another reply.
Yeah, right. Pull the other one. You will continue to seethe impotently because your transparent attempt at twisting your delusions into an internet argument went awry, and your pathologically massive ego won't allow you to have me have the last word.

Ramza never getting access to sword skills makes l i t t l e s e n s e, it's what everyone fucking wants.

>>712930696
>>712932349
Actually Matsuno acknowledge that the localization team rewrote a lot of lines since the original jp dialogues were much more simpler.

>>712934818
>Why are you taking it as some kind of a win on your part?
Because it is a win you smug illiterate bastard.

>>712956605
Because the Church of Glabados saints Sword Saints. The same church Ramza investigates then tears down.

>>712956289
slightly more dialogue for units

Matsuno is really destroying his legacy for this cash grab. Surely he got forced to cut content? 4 years in development, you'd think there would be more rather than gameplay balancing and voice acting

>>712955440
The lag only exists in the US release, which fucked it up.
You can also patch the iso to remove it.

they should nerf calculators, math is OP as shit

>>712957663
I honestly think Matsuno has just given up. The FFXIV stuff was his last attempt, and the way the content team fucked him over and the nips hated Bozja completely broke him. The press statement he wrote for this remake didn't sound like him at all, like he has decided he genuinely doesn't give a fuck anymore and will just write whatever gets him the most money.

>>712957663
Maybe Matsuno just doesn't even care all that much, compared to Reborn I don't feel the same passion like he had for that one

>>712956605
just make him a dark knight

Apparently it's another ShB situation where Matsuno is getting cucked by someone else in the team. He apparently wanted some of the WoTL content to stay in as well as making the Genji stuff still stealable. The guy can't catch a break. He should at least be getting near Kojima levels of freedom.

>>712959717
the director did literally everything wrong intentionally going by interviews
he's fucking retarded or willfully made the game worse

>>712959717
Oh fucking hell, now it makes more sense, the lead director for the remaster is a fucking idiot.

>>712925374
One of the first games of its era to have church bad

>>712925374
Yes, just like in real life.

>>712959717
>>712960176
The fact he ragequit during FF12's development makes more and more sense as SE proves time and time again they are run by retards.

>>712960359
Everyone seems to have had bad ideas.
https://www-famitsu-com.translate.goog/article/amp/202506/44572?_x_tr_sl=ko&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
https://www.square-enix-games.com/en_US/news/final-fantasy-tactics-interview

>people arguing about who they cut and kept and why
>not urging them to just also include Clive to keep the shilling spirit alive (like with Cloud, Balthier, and Luso)
Missed opportunity, Matsuno.

>>712960584
The scariest part is that because they remade the game(both versions), maybe modders with experience with the original games will get fucked over.

>>712953965
Cid is strong but really it's Excalibur that's fucking stupid.

>>712960753
Explain.

>>712960948
NTA but the big thing that is it has auto haste attached to it

>>712960948
Cid's default sword makes him permanently hasted, his skillset is strong but it's really the fact he joins your party and gets to move twice as much as everyone else.

>>712957663
He's adding in dialogue and some story changes, and the game's getting a rebalanced hard mode. We also now have a native PC port that contains the original version. Outside of the UI looking like shit, this is about a best case scenario for a remaster.

>>712957942
>they should nerf calculators
They did in hard mode.

>>712916714
why is this so common for japs

>>712960176
>>712960359
It's YoshiP's team. Only the most retarded of trannies pretend that CBU3 has ever made anything good.

So this is just an upscale of the ps1 game with no new content?
What's the point?

>>712959717
Holy shit, lmao. Matsuno is truly cursed. The fucking contrast between his and Kojima's situations, too, considering they virtually started their careers together.
Kojima has his own studio named after himself, makes whatever the fuck games he wants with infinite time and budget, and rubs elbows with Hollywood celebs regularly, which is a dream come true for him.
Matsuno is practically jobless, doesn't get to direct content he headlines including games that he is famous for, and just generally has his name whored out fot cheap recognition by Square-Enix. What a fucking grim twist of fate.

>>712957663
God you people are stupid. He wasn't "forced to cut content". He's taking his original game that HE MADE and adding NEW content HE WANTS. WotL wasn't made by him. It's FANFICTION.

>>712961249
His team probably thought this is a slam dunk case to get praise from the fans. I wonder if they expected the backlash in the community over their decisions.

>>712922284
did they seriously just give a pre order bonus that is only items you already get in game?

>>712961489
Strongest solider of SE.

>>712961489
See >>712959717
Content HE WANTS is getting rejected by the director

>>712961489
Hey buddy. Read this. >>712959717

Then proceed to cope and mald.

>>712930696
ESL moment

>>712961569
That reads like thinks it would be fine if they added it, not him actively wanting to add it.

>>712961069
His damage out put without the sword is still like almost double of agrias holysword skills

Man i wonder how it feels like when the guy who used to work under you is now your boss and is rejecting most of your ideas.

>>712959717
ever think that maybe matsuno is the problem?

>>712916714
Meanwhile Gust released a remake of Atelier Marie last year which used the same voice lines in higher quality because they kept the original masters.

>>712961569
>>712961606
Not my fault he works with retards.
>>712961564
I'm not buying this shit (unless the new story additions are substantial). I haven't bought a SE game since FF13.

>>712961782
Now imagine that same scenario, but you're also a perfectionist control freak. This must be pure torture for Matsuno, no wonder it broke him.

>>712955603
people mod in jobs all the time though

>>712916714
wtf is wrong with square? are they retarded?

>>712961962
they are

Just make Tactics ogre 2 lilbro

>>712961962
The only Japanese company more retarded than Square is sega.

But this is literally the same company that moved their entire builder because of a bad omen from a fortune teller too.

>>712961298
Kojima made popular games that have wide appeal. Matusono made niche rpg games.

If Vagrant Story was popular he'd be big but the game bombed. It's just boring to play, and that's not acceptable after Ocarina of Time and Metal Gear Solid were released.

>Sucks in air through their teeth, visibly distraught
>apologetically says "eto... Matsuno san, I don't think that's a good idea. Nice try though!"

The only reason to even bother at this point is the confirmation they had to remake the game from scratch in a modern engine, which may open up modding considerably. Even then, they've put Denuvo on it, so it's pirate-only for me.

Square needs to burn for their arrogance with remakes.

I feel like i'm going fucking insane that nobody mentions the weird stippled dithering on the remastered art assets

>>712961962
>are they retarded?
They added time jannies and alternate dimensions to FF7 just to make cliffhangers between each of the EPISODES. (Episodic videogames were proven not to work in the mid 2000's, btw.) What do you think?

>>712962320
because most people are not going to touch their "new" version lmao

>>712961791
Just looking at the state of SE the past 20 years and the fact the creator of Final Fantasy isn't even working there anymore, not really.

>>712960359
>the lead director for the remaster is a fucking idiot.
It's the guy who wrote FFXVI, so...

The fact that they're using the wotl script but not the wotl content is so fucking stupid. They should have an option to use the original script if you want, but I'm more concerned that the graphics look like a standard psx emulator blurring mask.
New features like the turn order on screen look amazing though. Hopefully modders go crazy with it

>>712962469
>Sakaguchi gave Matsuno his big break in Square
Have they collabed after leaving Squenix?

>>712961791
I think he's the problem because he's spineless. Quitting is a coward's way out, he should have put his feet down and have everything his way. Now every new director push him around like the wuss he is, while SE keeps using his name and clout to attract dumb coonsumers who don't know better, and he just meekly nods along.
Cowards truly die many times.

>>712962320
You're not insane but it's just another visual aspect of the remake that makes it look like the laziest AI upscale possible. It's not worth singling out in that sense, I think.
What I want to know is how every person who seems to like upscales and sprite filters seems to simultaneously have obtained positions as graphic directors of every sprite-based game remake out there. Maybe it's because I live in a /v/ bubble but I feel like I see nothing but hate for this, yet all of these remakes and remasters look like the Yoshi/Funky Kong reaction images making fun of filters.

>>712962654
he quit ff12, he quit the storylines he got in ff14, and he's folding on this

i'm beginning to suspect he's just difficult to work with and that you should never meet your heroes

>>712962286
I want the Japanese voice acting and the new dialogue that Matsuno wrote.

>>712962356
>quite literally no point playing because the only new things about this shit version is gameplay "balancing" and voice acting, which no one really gives a shit about it
>no WoTL content, despite using the script
>the only shit they're doing with this adding more dialogue to uniques
...unironically what is the fucking point? Fags who like wotl can just play it on an emu with a speed hack or whatever they need to get rid of the slowdown and OG fags can just play vanilla or mod the wotl content (if they care about it) into it. Quite literally what in the fuck is the point of this ((definitive)) version, who is it even for? fuck the slurping niggers defending it too

>>712962793
Sure, but that's such a pithy content contribution it will be modded into older, more feature-complete versions. I don't know how devs can show their faces in public with this shit.

>>712916413 (OP)
It will, however, include a shitsmear filter.
>>712916608
They should call it FINAL FANTASY TACTICS: SHITSMEAR REMASTER

>>712962805
steam achivements
that's the only reason im buying this dogshit slop
and also maybe they're going to make more games like tactics ogre and ftt if they see some interest

>>712954721
>Why are these fucking retarded companies always losing the source code for their games?
Because they didn't make the originals for Nintendo platforms. If they did, they could have gone to Nintendo because they keep the source code for all the games that release on their platforms.

>>712962885
>I don't know how devs can show their faces in public with this shit.
Part of the issue is probably because we don't see their faces and can't publically shame them for this kind of shit. Shame needs to be brought back. Make a shitty port, your picture and e-mail are paraded online for you to receive shit mail.

>>712916413 (OP)
So it's a shittier remaster than WotL, thanks for warning me, I will proceed to take it right out of my wishlist.

>>712962970
>im buying this dogshit slop
>and also maybe they're going to make more games like tactics ogre and ftt if they see some interest
This is 2025. You buying this shit will make them make a remaster of FFTA1 and FFTA2. They don't make new games.

>>712963015
>You now realize that if FFTA1 and 2 ever get remastered they have no choice but to ask nintendo for source code because they might be the only company that still has it
>Switch 2 exclusive
Grim

>>712954721
Common industry practice in Japan. Similar to Toei just dumping the master audio for dbz which is why the Jp track is always mono and muffled in the various releases. Quality control was so bad that the Honolulu team didn’t even get the final build of FF7 to build the initial disaster of a pc port.

>>712962805
Isn't it supposed to have a new translation? That'd be the highlight since the PSX and PSP translations were both shit in opposite ways.

>>712962885
I get a native port of the original game on PC, and an "enhanced" port that might have some good extra dialogue. For modern SE, that's a best case scenario. Every higher up there is a soulless, retarded suit, or a retarded chuuni faggot.

>>712963147
supposedly they're running with the wotl script, albeit slightly altered

>>712962739
>i'm beginning to suspect he's just difficult to work with
This isn't even something you need to suspect, most people who have worked with him have outright said he is a massive stickler for detail, people have compared him to a fussy mother with a knows-best attitude.
But that's not unique to him, every autheur director is like that, and his autism is why he made some of the best games of all time. Working under Kojima, Miyamoto, even some smaller-scale ones like Yoko Tarot, is surely no different. But among them, he is the only one who gets shat on by his studi and his own Former employees.
I think the wuss theory is correct. E.g. Kojima has such a massive ego that he'd rather quit and fuck off from Konami forever than let somebody backtalk him; Matsuno did that with FF12 but came crawling back to SE, and that seems to have sealed the deal.

Kinda surprising they didn't add Noctis or Clive. They even hired the VA for Clive iirc.

>>712963303
Given there's canonically a machine that can pull people from other universes, I'm almost surprised they didn't include a gacha system where you can draw for random FF protags aside from Cloud. Fuck, get Sora in there.

>>712963101
>>712963107
>implying they would ever remaster a1 and a2
we unironically more likely to see a remake of FFT using whatever engine and artstyle they used for war of the visions than that

>>712963303
It does seem odd. Looking at what the hacking community has done with events and customer recruits I can’t image it’d be hard at all for SE

>>712921613
same. based haggler.

I do wonder...why did Ogre Tactics reborn get a few changes and the PSP content but this one didn't?
Final Fantasy is more important to Squeenix right?

They seem to be just porting the PS1 original with a feww QoLs, frankly without the WotL content this doesn't seem worth it to me

The pixel remasters were at least considerably cheaper, this one's full remaster price

>>712963504
Who was in charge of TO? FFT is CBU3, and they're all retarded faggots.

>>712963504
Tactics Ogre is the darling in Japan like FFT is the darling of the west.

>>712963504
I wonder…perhaps Matsuno loves TO more???

>>712963631
I'm not up to date on SE intrnal teams, but that would make sense

>>712963668
I mean, if it werent' for the FF elements i'd love Tactics ogre more, i just didn't know the japs had it as a darling in particular

>>712962739
>>712962654
I said a million years ago he should have quit and just went to manga and light novels. Even if they're mediocre and not hits, they would be his babies.

>>712963504
>I do wonder...why did Ogre Tactics reborn get a few changes and the PSP content but this one didn't?

Matsuno worked on the PSP TO because he was pissy they ported FFT without him. I think in an alt-universe, with Matsuno handling the FFT PSP port, he would have made grander changes and they would have stuck.

>>712916413 (OP)
War of the Lions is the definitive version anyway.
King James Bible basically.

>>712962532
I think the only way they have meaningfully interacted publicly since the Square days is when they were playing FF14 together (which was more of a marketing stunt/favor to Yoshida, although Sakaguchi seems to have stuck with it). It seems they are on good terms personally, but neither has an interest in working together professionally; unsurprising as Sakaguchi also seems done with large projects.

>>712964039
he'd have been an exceptional mangaka if he could draw

>>712960753
No? The unique knight classes are busted. They hit like a truck at decent range, are cast instantly for free, and often proc powerful status effects. And Cid has all of them. Every other class has to make tradeoffs aside from calculator, but you're already curbstomping everyone by the time you unlock them.

>>712964325
The most famous of course are writer/artist hybrids, but there's nothing stopping you from just being a manga writer. Team up with an artist and make some medieval fantasy drama. How hard would ti be?

>>712964458
Agrias and Cid were already busted, and Dark Knight just allows that for Generics and Ramza.

>>712917602
The OG translation has some great lines in it but it is genuinely poorly translated in most of the script, the story is infamously hard to follow.

Sakaguchi seems to just prefer his smaller scale teams where everyone pitches in ideas. See the pixel remaster interviews. Meanwhile Matsuno prefers his dictatorial approach. No wonder FFXII didn’t work.

>>712964606
L I T T L E M O N E Y

>>712962805
>what in the fuck is the point of this ((definitive)) version
No one ever said this is the "definitive version". It's a different version, a more canon version from the WotL fanfiction, maybe. New UI, new story changes, new translation (we've seen differences from the WotL in videos already) and full voice acting. It's basically for people who hate reading, first and foremost, I would say. But there could be interesting new story content by the original creator as well. We have to wait and see how good/bad the new script and added scenes end up being.

>>712965030
Do we have any idea what engine it's being made in? A wide open door for modding could make this the definitive version not because of anything in or not in it, but for simply being able to get out of its own way for fans to fix it.

>>712965030
>No one ever said this is the "definitive version".
This is from the official website

>>712964606
Yeah, for years I genuinely thought Dycedarg was replaced by his evil elder brother because of that translation, what I assumed was that he was killed by the Death Corps when they raided the castle, but they had some previously unseen brother pose as him in order to keep morale high.

I am looking forward to how they fix the unusable skills like charge and the additional scenes for uniques after they join. Oh I hope we get Ramza x Agrias

>>712964260
Based

Pixel remasters didn't include anything from the later ports of the games included so this isn't surprising.

>>712965164
That literally says it's the best version for people who have only played the original or have never played any version. Learn to read. It doesn't say it's the definitive version that includes all WotL content.

The wotl content wasn’t that good anyway

>>712965484
>Advertise it's the perfect version
>Actually it's missing content
>this is okay apparently
(you)

>>712965529
Neither was a lot of the vanilla content (Mustadio, Archer, etc). Fans wanted it fixed, not removed.

50 unit limit alone makes this the definitive version

>>712965545
less is more

>>712965598
Good thing they are taking a stab at fixing that lacking content like Archers

>>712965618
You aren't even getting less, you're getting nothing and they're charging you $50

>>712965618
Posts like these inspire me to become a millionaire so I can buy this site and include anti-consumer corporate bootlicking as a permanently bannable offense under the same rule against shilling.

>>712965545
No one said it's the "perfect version" (again, L2R) and the WotL content was largely inconsequential, so yes, it is fine if it's not included. It's literal fanfiction TRASH.

>>712931137
Yes.

>>712965726
>No one said it's the "perfect version"
Bait, or actually illiterate?

>largely inconsequential,
Littrally entire classes and chararters are now gone you bootlicking turd.

>Trash
The only trash is this dogshit remaster.

>>712965660
You're actually getting new story scenes, balance changes, additional difficulty levels, a better UI, full voice acting and other additions if you actually pay attention and stop whining about WotL content (which fucking SUCKED, anyway).

>>712965847
It’s fine mods will put the missing stuff back in

>bootlickers in full force
lmfao

Unironically I'm still mad that they took out a lot of dialogue in some more recent remasters! Modders are supposed to be fighting the good fight against censorship but they likely won't change the edited dialogue

>>712965847
>Bait, or actually illiterate?
You're illiterate. Read it again, idiot.
They said it's perfect FOR newcomers and people who have ONLY played the ORIGINAL. NOT that it's the "perfect" version of the game. I can't believe I am even explaining this right now, how stupid are you?

>>712966075
What has been censored? Cerya’s gangrape in TO wasn’t censored and nothing in FFT comes close to that.

>>712964556
Nigger read the whole post, it's not about the wotl classes.

>>712965985
There's already a mod that puts all the WotL content onto the original game. These complaining faggots won't play that, though.

Damn, it turns out people dislike it when content gets cut regardless of it being good or not. it's almost as if its about the principal..

>>712966119
She wasn't gangraped. She was just raped to death.

>>712966260
I certainly wouldn’t kind of your life was cut from existence. BITCH.

>>712966324
>corporate cocksucker is also ESL thirdie
At last I see.

>>712966229
>B-but mods will fix it!
kys nigger, this shit should have been in the game from the start. stop condoning this lazy niggardry

>>712966110
If you're going to remake a game you should make it a definitive version. Otherwise you should just throw the PS1 rom on the online store instead of wasting everyone's time with ugly slop.

>>712966364
I love that you keep pushing your gimmick. It’s sweet. But it will only make slaughter even more slower.

>>712931162
My brother in Christ, do you not remember when FLASH DRIVES were kept locked up in the store, or are you that underage?

>>712966514
Bitch. I still use flash drives. BITCH.

>>712966260
What about the principle of having the original creator's vision, untainted by fanfiction bullshit? WotL wasn't developed by Matsuno, maybe it shouldn't be included for that reason alone. But no, "muh content".
>>712966385
Why? That content already exists for people who want it. A different version with different changes could end up being better than if they included everything. "Content" is not better just because it exists.

>>712966631
Ogre battle 64 and Tactics Ogre KoL had no Matsuno. Should they be consigned to the ashes of history?

>>712966714
That’s right. No answer
>muh Matsuno vision
Fuck off

>>712955567
The kind of person (read: goy cattle) that cared for WotL's content is also the kind of person who would buy low effort ports meant to make a quick buck.

>>712967098
I preordered the collector edition btw

>>712967140
good goy

>>712966631
Extra content is good if the content is better. The extra jobs are big memes that should be rebalanced to be more interesting, but even if they aren't there are a million other things that break the game's balance worse than them from the original game. Most of the extra scenes only give extra context to flesh out some scenarios. Luso and balthier are better characters and cameos than cloud. A company knows it won't land well if they advertise their game as "one more port with some exclusive content but not other content from another game." They want it to be the definitive version but they don't want to put in any effort to actually make it definitive. Calling it fanfiction bullshit is hilarious because they're obviously content with keeping the writing which is what most people's objections with the game are about.

>>712929204
Calculators on auto are fucking insane, they can determine comically efficient ways to wipe the map in a matter of seconds

>>712966619
That has nothing to do with what I said.

>>712967242
There's also the fact that the real point of Dark Knight is not being permanently locked out of Gafgarion's class once he leaves the party. Your very first tutorial battle is setting up the Agrias/Gafgarion dichotomy.

>>712967418
You're retarded.

>>712967796
Compelling.

>>712963808
Tactics Ogre or better to say the Ogre series is a very influential series in Japan. It’s why Matsuno is hailed so much over there

>>712967997
It’s amazing that Matsuno has basically done nothing since his failed run with FFXII. And yet he’s still regarded as highly as he is…