The "people" ( game journalists and kojima wankers ) aren't right in the head.
I'd say it's pretty decent during all the fights against normal enemies but the further you progress the more the bosses give you a hard time enjoying anything. You're getting all those new frame augmentation you thought you'd play with and when dueling you notice how the combat design is restricted to doing only what the devs planned. I'm not shocked by the camera, I don't get why everyone's throwing hands in the air and acting uppity about the camera. That's a regrettable but manageable oversight. What I can't fathom is the limitations of the boss fights and how it's all style over substance, and how every fans drool on Kojimbo's peeker.
AC6 tool the same direction with one main beam supporting the full structure and reducing secondary tools and emergent play to a joke: it's all melee and stagger. Now I suspect that Yamamura was a fan of ZOE.

Don't be surprised that the mech genre is dead when this is the kind of shit you mold brain are pushing forth.

Yes just as I thought. ZOE fans are occupied defending Kojihack in the mandatory DS thread.

>>712942542 (OP)
Shuyo Murata, who previously did the cinematics for Zone of the Enders, wrote an idea for the sequel which involved Jehuty surviving to an addiction to Metatron, the game's energy. Producer Hideo Kojima liked this idea so much that he appointed Murata as the sequel's director. However, no elements from Murata's plan were used in the game. Kojima stated that most of the game's credit is owed to Murata.[27]

The train segment's time requirements on the highest difficulties is kind of ridiculous, the bit of you babysitting Ken drags a little, and most of the Viola fights kind of suck but I really can't say anything else bad about the game. To me, the core of the combat in most instances felt like a fully-3D version of beat-em-up fundamentals outside of all the projectiles. I used the ranged grab so much.

>>712943540
Yeah yeah. You used what works best because you get no reason to use the 26939 weapons in most fights unless you wanna give yourself a handicap or burn away sub gauge energy with something fancy that can be replaced with much more convenient and less wasteful weapons. Great. And that's just against normal fodder enemies.
Bosses? There's ONE technique that works that's it. So how's the experience for a first playthrough? Oh this doesn't work and I'm wasting my sub energy which I must point out is my only ressource to get any leverage, I die. Let's do it again. And you do it again and again and again until you get the trick, the move intended by the devs right and by that point you work with that and only that and it's all about reflexes. Ok.

What's the point of all those fucking tools? Just to style on trash enemies? What backward game design is that? Japwank?
Look, I'm at anubis, I JUST got a new weapon, I use it twice and all my sub en is gone and now I'm defenseless. A weapon I just unlocked in a manner that would in another game mean that it's time to try it out because there's no time out between the last boss and this one. Nah actually fuck you lol. Or perhaps I used it wrong, but AGAIN if this is the case it's also dog's turd left on the sidewalk to dry tier game design because if that's your first experience trying it out in a long drawn out battle you don't want to use it. I don't even wanna continue, I have two choices:
I continue hitting my head on the wall until I figure it out, or I read a guide. I don't want to keep playing this shit this is horrible.

Come on I'm not insane I played hard games, it's not about difficulty, it just plain sucks I'm not losing it? WHO ENJOYS THAT THING

>>712942542 (OP)
I ain't reading all that essay OP.
Just wanted to say that I enjoyed ZOE, but I DROPPED this game immediately
the moment I was FORCED to defeat enemies, such as fucking LASERS. There is no ESCAPE like in the original, and the lock on goes haywire whenever you are trying to disengage combat.
Who the fuck thought this was acceptable?

>>712944359
>play action game
>get mad that you have to engage in action
lol

>>712944359
>essay
>about 11-14 lines

That's what we get when 99% of the threads are "now that the dust has settled", "what does he mean by this?", "this is my waifu" or "." ( twitter picture attached to that one )

The last 1/3 of the game is like the best 2 hours of 3D action gaming ever made, I will not suffer this foolishness

>>712944727
Yeah if you're talking about shit like metal gear rising or the Wonderful 101 or Vanquish.
Give me a reason to finish it tell me I'm doing something wrong so I can fix it.

>You're supposed to flee and the only strategy that works is spamming dash and mashing attacks in-between anubis attacks to trigger the script

what is this AIDS?

you got a boss with red attacks going through your shield, a lot of optional attacks, the fight looks like it's gonna be long and technical so when you try melee the first time and see how quickly you're punished and for so little damage done to him you study all possibilities, try out all weapon, check the arena, look for a way to deal more damage and etc etc etc

No

NO

game genius Mr yellow nip decided all you gotta do is mash the dash and attack button to trigger a script.
If you got a working brain and see how it would normally not work out because the damage output is insufficient to do enough before your reserve run out you'll naturally try something else.
WELL if you do that you're punished. In the meantime the 60 IQ kojitards and moe fans who believe anime is profound and alien faced girls kawaii will just do as I say, mash buttons, and it works.


That's what I was saying, it illustrates everything I despise in nip games. It's degrading.

I'm still mad Revoltech didn't release a nephtis figure. Also OP you're a fag if your only Mech library consists of ZOE and AC6.

And will I'm at it if there's another reject fan of this game around please tell me what's the point of a leveling system in a linear game with inescapable planned beforehand fights that you must see through to progress. What's that if not another fancy system put there to make the game seems more complex than it actually is? Anyone want to defend the frauds behind this game?

>>712947505
Suck my dick I didn't play much but I completed og trilogy of AC minus the bonus disc of arena because I don't have it and that was a game. A game with many layers and endless possibilities.

NOT LIKE THIS DOGSHIT. I CALL A LOT OF GAMES DOGSHIT BUT THAT ONE REALLY IS FUCKING DOGSHIT

I was right I was right I was right the fight with the PCA fleet WAS an hommage to ZOE I can see it now. So my suspicion that Yamamura took some DNA of this vomit to narrow down the gameplay of AC6 was ALSO TRUE.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S ALSO A TASTE OF DOGSHIT IN MY AC6

>>712947702
Play Heavy Gear
Play Gungriffon
Play Zeonic Front
Play Steel Battalion
Play Mechwarrior/Battletech
Play Front Mission
Play Lost Planet 1 and 2
Play the other AC games
Play Titanfall
You have options not every game is EXVS hard lock-on

LOOK, DINGO! THIS IS THE POWER OF METATRON!

said Nohman calmly

>>712947595
So they can throw early game grunts at you in the late game and make you feel powerful for mowing down shit that would have given you more trouble in the early game.

kojimadrones haven't played, let alone heard of zote

>>712947994
Played mechwarrior, lost planet, Titanfall is dead though. But yeah I'll move on. I'm hallucinating right now. I'm losing my marbles. It's a riot.
You remember the big ass ships in AC6 the ones with a dozen trillion weapon on them and whenever you fight one you just ignore all that gay shit and attack the main hull and it dies in 2.5 seconds? Yeah that's in ZOE.
You ignore all the vermin flying around and the heavy cannons and the big ass laser, you reach the back and you fuck it up with your v. cannon.

It's mind boggling. I don't understand. What's the point. Was it a running joke in the japanese gaming community so they had to copy that jaw dropping stupidity in another game... Almost twenty years later? As a joke? Is this game REAL?

>>712948836
I didn't bother with AC6. I saw hard lock on, stagger meter and that it had healing and didn't bother

I'm like neo seeing through the matrix, I understand it all. The rotten assholes working on such games are doing it to piss off sane people.
Look, it's everywhere I take one step and I see more signs. Such as now. I'm leading the lev against an army in a fight where all engagement is prone to friendly fire and what is the mentally retarded ai telling me?
Use phalanx.
Use the phalanx, the thing with a wide cone of bullets coming out at high speed so you can touch as many as your comrades as possible. Someone designed this fight, another wrote that line which is the very first line you hear in that fight, and, what the fuck, someone was overseeing the team and helped stick all that together. It's done on PURPOSE. It has a DIRECTION and a FORCE. It's a terrorist attack on my sanity.

>op's daily kojima hate thread
Jilted fans are something else

zoe gameplay is boring and repetitive. dropped

But anyway in retrospect I like the game.
It's only good games that make me sperg like that. Take AC6 despite all the bad things I said about Yamamura I did play the game +10 times.
It doesn't mean I'm nullifying all critics I produced about them shit games. I say I can both like and hate a game.

Every boss battle was like a puzzle, once you figure them out you'd feel like a bad ass.
Only valid criticism would be how the grab button feels more like the "fuck you I win" button & literally requieres 0 skill.
Shit that's how I beat the game on the hardest difficulty while steam rolling the bosses.

>>712952324
If you read my insane rambling you'll figure out I was so mad because I tried to bruteforce second anubis fight with everything that's available in my frame but the simple dash and slash attack. Now that I'm cooling down the single boss I won't like doing again is viola because all you do is parry, grab, then dodge all the crap coming at you. And the first phase with her flying away where you must fling enemies in her face was annoying too.
Inerth second phase is not too fun too, a gimmick trial in a black void. What other game has a gimmicky fight in a black void? Dark souls. Was it fun? Fuck no. Was it japanese? Yeah again. What gives?

Why didn't the first game get a modern remaster as well?

Melee is more fun than ranged. In every genre.

The first Zone Of The Enders really pissed me off as a kid, I thought I'd just beaten like, the first section of the game and then the credits started rolling

second one's really good, my eyes kinda just glazed over your post, OP

Why does everyone think Kojima made ZoE?He never did anything creative on these games.
>>712953447
The original director of the first game wanted a remake after the ZoE2 remaster of a few years ago, but it sold terribly, so this didn't happen.
He is handling Metal Gear, if that does well, maybe he will manage to bring back ZoE too, he's the original creator after all

>>712953115
You don't have enough experience with JP mecha games. If you've never played the EXVS series it's something the japs love over there. Hard lock on with boosting to 'dodge' while you sit in the air like DBZ characters using attacks to stun or combo. This is my least favorite form of Mecha combat with the exceptions being ZOE and Gundam: Encounters in Space. With ZOE I think I enjoyed the aesthetic to overrule it's combat system, but EIS was a lot more weighted than the paper feeling I got playing the VS style of other games.

The truth about ZOE is that they sold like complete crap. ALL of them.
But Konami are currently recruiting for a project involving mechas, and 2D cell art mixed with 3D models of mechas. It's on their website, I saw a post about this a some weeks ago here

>>712953447
The first game is a giant nothing burger
It’s a 2 hour demo for ZOE2, which is already short
The only good parts of 1 are Neith/Viola and the escape from Anubis
The actual game is just “go here get security go here get security go here save colony”
2 has much more variety and is just better in every wyay

What is this, a thread where we post our long schizopinions about a great (9/10) videogame?

sorry I'm too straight and not schizo to do that.

>>712954020
Fat Ken titties too

>>712950971
Kojima didn't do these games.
Noriaki Okamura wrote and directed the first game, he was going to direct his own different version of 2 but had to leave
Shuyo Murata directed and wrote the second game
the canceled third game was directed by someone else but it wasn't Kojima.
Same for the canceled reboot.
there was also the spin off by the SRW guy which wasn't produced by Kojima but by Okamura instead
>>712954020
The first game was more of a multimedia project, there's very important elements only told in the OVA, the anime and the GBA spin off, they all connect to each other. The original plan for 2 was also going to connect here.
But the actual sequel game we got meanwhile only focused on the first game and barely used any characters from it. And pretty much ignored everything else.

>>712954020
I bought it years ago on PS3 in the hd then shit happened and my PS3 was gone so I couldn't play it. Is it ZOE 1 that has 3d cutscenes instead of anime codecs? I can't remember. I saw a Webm that I believe to be a cutscene from it and I liked the style and facial animation more than the anime parts in 2. It was really expressive.

>>712955461
Yeah ZOE1 used in-game models.
ZOE2 used 2D animation

I enjoyed the game when I was 8 therefore all your points are invalid

>>712954050
>dialog scene
>pan her camera downward
based konami

>>712956054
This. It left a mark on my early teens. You can take all your criticisms and shove them up your ass. I'd take this generation of video games back over the fucking mess we have today in a fucking heartbeat. Don't care about Kojimbo and his inflated ego, but that game, those designs, and that music is the greatest. The greatest possibly of all time.

>>712942542 (OP)
I think it's kinda weird how no one compares it to virtual on? Zone of the enders is not original

>>712958092
Congrats on reaching 16 and realizing everything is iterative. What did you even think genres were?

>final boss has your kit reduced to two different attacks and takes one full year to get his health bar down and majorly sucks ass

The epitome of this fucking joke of a game.

>if you hold ken down near the lava in the level you save her she takes her shirt off and it stays off for the whole next section with her in your cockpit
holy based

>>712958092
Based 90s kid. Virtual was the best in the arcade.

>>712958719
LA di da. Someone went to college.

>>712958092
It doesn't really have anything in common with Virtual On, aside from I guess automatically switching between ranged and melee attacks based on proximity which is neither original to Virtual On nor anywhere near the top of the list of things I think of when I think of the game.

Ok. So anything is changing in upper difficulty levels? Enemy patterns? Numbers? Locations of the spawns?
Because it took enough battle time for some bosses to reach my tolerance line, if it's inflating everyone's health the super ultra european extreme no lube bukkake very hard mode can go fuck itself.

Can you do anything with the LEV units sending sos during the big battle™? Is the sos alert existing to tell you they're about to die and nothing else?
Attempted to heal one by grabbing him and powering up but nothing happened.

>>712958871
Yeah the final boss on hard was basically just an exercise in tedium. I remember getting too annoyed with it to finish.

>>712942542 (OP)
Yeah, AC6's melee focused gameplay really bothers me. The fact that the game constantly trying to punish me for refusing this dogshit meta really grinds my gears. It is not even the super stylish hack and slash either, just the same 2 animations repeat over and over again, so fucking boring.

>>712962470
I think you're supposed to throw geysers on them and it puts them in stasis or something so the pilots can escape, I don't recall it really affecting anything though.

>>712962513
Turns out you only do double zero shift and dash blade the fuck out of him. When he's charging up the big orange bologna attack you send a cluster blast to make it explode, rest is near useless. Can't grab him I think. Can't touch him much with blasts, even charging up the big gendikama bomb when he's regenerating isn't doing anything special.
Zero shift zero shift zero shift with dash slashes until it dies.

Yeah it looks cool and it's nervous and all but. Man. Where's all my shit? My cool weapons? Can't we have a giant boss fight with lot of things we can do with all the specials we acquired through the game?
And I think it's better to end the game with the frames holding each other in outer space. Epilogue was as mundane as a Saturday cartoon in the 80. Make something that will be remembered.

>>712963063
So that's what I was hearing in the coms. There's ten people at once talking on the radio so I didn't get any useful info.

>>712942542 (OP)
ZoE is what I played after dropping AC6.
Hitting enemies in AC6 feels like I'm hitting air, especially with melee. Yes there's more customization, but the base gameplay is unsatisfying and the game feels like 60hrs of the same shit.

ZOE1/2 was short, fun, to the point and the gameplay was reactive. I can hit, the enemies parried, I could grab, throw, shoot and it all felt real good.
>Kojima
He didn't direct these games you dork, he was a Producer.

>>712962736
I used dual handheld guns and it was fine. You didn't have to use melee. I don't know what makes you think you'd even have to play meta in singleplayer.

Any infodump about the occult lore of the game?

>>712962106
I dropped out of high school you guys are just stupid.

>>712963901
>used dual handheld guns and it was fine.

Well both guns in AC6 got busted stagger rate. Like the needle gun.

>>712942542 (OP)
Got filtered by the escort mission huh?

>>712942542 (OP)
Never going to happen but I wish they made a new Zone of the Enders evolving the gameplay from Second Runner.

And have a wholly new universe. Don't even use Jehuty as the mech. Make a new main character with different motivations and a new conflict. Hell it doesn't need to be a new Zone of the Enders necessarily it could be an original new spiritual successor to Zone of the Enders Second Runner. I only mentioned Zone of the Enders because this is a Zone of the Enders thread. Its sad to see such a good gameplay go to waste because Second Runner didn't sell.

>>712954049

Old Kingpilled

HEH, LAP DOG.

>>712963397
>>Kojima
>He didn't direct these games you dork, he was a Producer.

Getting real tired of ignorant people celebrating this man. This is why I hope Death Stranding 2 and his new horror game and his new Not Metal Gear knock off end up failing. So tired of this Hollywood primadona spoiled brat. My hope is that Kojima is foolish enough to hire HATED celebrities like that hag bitch Scarlet Johansson or that Zegler bitch who was recently Disney's Snow White. That would sink Kojima.

>>712942542 (OP)
did muvluv come before or after zoe?

>>712964069
ZOE3 and it's happening inside an amazon storehouse and frames are used to move package around. You forment a rebellion with workers to rise against the amazon corporation. Metatron is used to power up the factories producing funko pop ( of ZOE frames ), gaining control over those key production sites is how you tilt the balance of power. (Funko pop are used as credit since the cyber attack of 2266 ad that made all digital currencies obsolete).