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the bottom is literally 1000x more common though

>>712946860 (OP)
>keeping all the fun skills till the end when there's barely any bosses and content anymore.
Yeah nah OP

i hate powerscaling i hate powerscaling

Powerscaling should be on an oscillating curve that gradually increases. For example: Game starts easy, game gets hard, game gets easy again, game gets a little bit hard, game gets easy, game gets harder, and so on.

>>712946860 (OP)
bottom is the reason i end up dropping games because the content doesnt challenge me anymore and i get bored.

>>712946860 (OP)
Is there even a game with perfect powerscaling?

>>712948320
That's essentially Factorio.
I hate it because after you feel like you achieve something, you're back to ground zero.

ahem

STOP STARTING AT LOW POWER SCALING
THE FIRST 20 HOURS OF ANY GAME IS ALWAYS BORING AS SHIT
HAVE GOOD GEAR AT THE START, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
>god I fucking love bronze sword (start) -> iron sword (early game) -> steel sword (middle of the game) -> silver sword (endgame) -> excalibur (postgame)
NO, FUCK THAT, GIVE ME SOMETHING ACTUALLY COOL INSTEAD OF MINOR STAT INCREASES UNTIL THE VERY END OF THE GAME
>oh you did all the sidequests and beat all the optional bosses, cool, here's a sick ass Greatsword that you can only use on the last superboss because you killed everything else already
FUCK YOU, GIVE ME MORE SHIT EARLY ON, THAT WAY YOU CAN MAKE THE GAME HARDER BECAUSE I HAVE MORE OPTIONS, AND THEN THE GAME WILL BE MORE FUN BECAUSE I GET TO EXPERIMENT WITH MORE STUFF FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME
GIVE ME COOL SHIT

>>712946860 (OP)
Powerscaling is Jewish in nature because I said so.

>>712948853
Hobo mode is the most fun, you have horrendous, unsalvageable taste

Consider a Loop-the-Loop

>>712946989
Bottom is common, the problem is devs doing this shit

>>712946860 (OP)
the red line looks more like the level curve

>>712946860 (OP)
Top describes most RPGs (except the line should look more like a staircase) but bottom looks like MMOs and Nightreign.

>>712946860 (OP)
Oh fuck

Why not both?

>>712950301
risk of rain

>>712949846
Oh, and for those of you unfamiliar.
On an exponential curve
92 is halfway to 99.

>>712949796
does this imply that halfway through the game you will reduce in levels before gaining them back?

>>712946860 (OP)
Both shit, should be more a sine wave since power scaling is relative to enemy difficulty. So you should become noticeably stronger before the threat is escalated, making the player feel weaker again, only to trivialise it by getting stronger again. Repeat about 3 to 10 times.

>>712951446
Give it the ol Shounen Anime line. Fight enemy, get shit pushed in, get power up, enemy is now easy, and a new stronger enemy takes their place, repeat from the stop

>>712946860 (OP)
But most games don't expect you to hit max level.

>>712948057
i want to fuck that game

>>712949796
Goldilock zone where you lose levels but some how gain power

>>712951764
Usually that's where you get a new ability or equipment.

>>712951764
You get a resource mid game that allows you to burn exp and levels for big damage but it does mean you lose gained abilities until you can get enough exp rolling in that it doesn't matter.

>>712951593
Pretty much, getting no challange is boring, feeling like you don't get stronger is tedious. So just switch between the two a few times and give the new enemy a coolguy anime entrance to communicate to the player that things got serious again.

>>712952008
Which is the most kino for narrative then?

>>712952284
Sawtooth is the most kino
>Sudden difficulty spike
>Work your ass off to get stronger again.

>>712946860 (OP)
The only thing I don't get is why RPGs never give you the feeling of going from Jackie Chan to Goku. You always either end the game as "normal dude who hits hard" or start the game as a superhero. It feels like you don't actually make that much progress. And then when a game does try to make you feel like you're getting stronger, it does it by just literally giving up and making you a demigod out of nowhere near the end of the game.

>>712952403
Not enough chink cultivation games exist

>>712952284
Sawtooth with a dramatic sine wave thrown in where a boss gets gradually stronger to throw you off.

>>712949796
Roguelike if you only played 2 runs.

>>712948057
I wanna french kiss that game box and then deepthroat it (I'm the one doing the deepthroating)

>>712951284
Seems like you can reduce your level to gain more power
RO sorta did it with rebirths where you reset to level 1 but gain extra stat points and change to a higher class
Not exactly the same as shown on that image but yeah

>>712952542
sorry but 'deepthroat' as a verb will always mean to give the blowjob.

>>712950301
The last remnant

>>712948657
>level up
>get weaker
t-thanks

It doesn't matter because this entire system fucking sucks

>>712952948
That's exactly what I was saying. I even made it clear that I wanna milk that game dry.

There is nothing more ass than a combat game that gives the player too much vision, too much movement, too much invincibility, too many resources, too powerful hitboxes and worst of all: limits the "real" gameplay to 1v1s for no reason at all even though multi-target fights have infinitely more encounter design potential and demand greater mastery of a game's systems and mechanics. If anything combat games should start with 1v1 encounters and shift to multi-target fights to actually justify powering up the player at all.

>>712952473
>sine modulating sawtooth
this anon gets it

>>712953130
>boss enemy from the early stages is just common mook fodder by the mid game

>>712948057
I don't like it in games when you start off with equipment that is normal grade and it's everywhere, it's better when you start off naked with a rolling pin and have to work your way up to a broken sword and rags

>>712946860 (OP)
Diablo 2 is like the bottom graph.

>>712952996
>words words words

>>712946860 (OP)
Literally Clair Obscur

>>712950301
This is how it should be. What's the point in playing something that only gets easier? Not just that you learn the game, but the game fucking straight up drops in difficulty??

>>712952284
Moonshot. Everyone who disagrees is faggot

>>712953284
This is why I like playing Souls games with randomizer as the deprived class. Especially with the modifier that armor sets are never found together, just given one piece at a time. You'll spend much of the earlygame finding weapons that you can't use due to the stat requirements, so you're left with rags and clubs for a while. Very stressful and fun.

>>712953836
The worst imo is when items have no identity, examples being the cd project red games where you can find leveled variants of most the weapons in the game so it never really feels like progression you just go in your inventory and equip the one with the biggest number

>>712954903
Starfield did this same shit with the weapons where you find a SMG 5 seconds into the game and then there is a MK2 version with 10x the damage later on and it's like this for every weapon as far as I could tell

>>712949796
Some of the Digimon games are basically this.
You can Digivolve to increase your base stats but it sets your level back to one. And then you can Devolve to a previous form to lower your base stats but increase your maximum level and stat potential (which is often needed to get to the highest-tier forms). So you're cycling your dudes through their forms and bouncing their individual power scales around.

I need a mod to fix Bannerlord like this. At level 40+ I'm strong but I really should be a fucking God, controlling 1000+ people more than my opponents permanently killing enemy lords in battle much more often.

>>712953286
Nice hiss

>>712955436
Those 1000 niggas in a line games kinda need to have a softcap on the player characters power otherwise it just turns into dynasty warriors

>>712955801
You say that like it's a bad thing.

>>712955801
>otherwise it just turns into dynasty warriors
nta but explain this to me, I don't have the context (haven't played either game)

>>712946860 (OP)
Nah

>>712955914
Those games often have two armies fighting with one on your side >>712955914
but you cut through most of the enemies like in devil may cry making your own army largely irrelevant

>>712956294
>but you cut through most of the enemies like in devil may cry making your own army largely irrelevant
lmao. so it's like kaido entering into battlefield

this makes sense right?

>make game
>power scaling ends up like this
video games design is too fucking hard

>>712958086
Just like with writing a story, it's fine to have OP as fuck characters if the opposition still gives them a challenge.

>>712953658
>>712950301
This.

>>712958086
Skyrim,
Dragon instakill move is bullshit.

Whatever balance decisions you make, please don't fucking pull off a Cyberpunk, where nameless hobos at high level can magically 1 hit KO level 1 heavily armed police robots.
And don't do a Skyrim where you can beat the final boss at level 1 because they give you an army of immortal companions.

>>712958086
what game?

>>712959007
Based take. Too many games forget that progression isn't just about numbers going up—it's about what those numbers mean. If level 50 and level 5 feel the same because enemies scale with you or gear is just “+1” tiered nonsense, then what's the goddamn point? You may as well be throwing darts at a spreadsheet.

>>712963174
>make progress into the game
>suddenly party members start permadeathing
>only way to restore them is to start a new game where you don't fuck up so bad
is this the formula for success?

>>712956752
Yes.. the struggle is real... :(

>>712946860 (OP)
I don't think that's how it's "normally" done. Lots of games have extremely strong gear that's only usable at max level and it's often so strong that it's entirely build-defining.

>>712948320
Metroid Prime is like this. After ever major upgrade the game would get easier and slow ramp the difficulty back up as you get used to it.

>>712950301
Nuclear throne

>>712950301
I need list of all games that do this

>>712946860 (OP)
>Level up stats to increase number
>Game scales with you so now you do less damage percentually

>>712952996
This is the most pretentious word-vomit I've read today.

>>712967953
Nah I don't think it's wrong. He said something something japs are too lazy to invent new systems, so they just stuck on something ancient, while at least the westerners tried to keep innovating/progressing forward with things. Getting stuck on some 80s rpg systems is peak lazyness imo

>>712946860 (OP)
power law is lame, exponential or bust

>>712948320
nah thats terrible game design.
it just results in the player eventually getting to another hurdle or "oh fuck its this bullshit grind again" and just quitting.
Satisfactory and Factorio do this shit a lot, as well as a lot of survival crafting games.
You get to a point where you finally unlock a bunch of shit, and to progress to the next area/tier/thing you need to grind a bunch of gay bullshit. Shit is such a chore.

>>712951284
Yeah, it used to be a normal mechanic in old MMOs.
If you died you lost 10% of your level and you could lose levels.
A bad weekend of wiping in raids could force you to have to spend another week or two grinding to get back to max lvl so you can equip your gear again.

>>712946860 (OP)
the top curve is more natural and intuitive because most general functions are unlocked early (giving you time to actually use and play with them), and then power up as you go on. the variety/options in arsenal, as well as the varied general utility accounts for most of the power. it generally feels better to have all of the tools and then upgrade them than it does to get a tool and only be able to use it for 10% of the game.