AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>712965206 (OP)
They joined the ack

>>712965206 (OP)
What the fuck is the point of delaying it? They wasted a ton of money and hours developing it, the only thing delaying it does is basically guarantee that it bombs even harder than it would've now. Wouldn't you want to at least make an effort toward getting something back from it?

>>712966671
they have to redo the entire game to remove plagiarized art

Probably should've canceled it. There is no possibly way they can recover from the bad PR this thing has. Best to cut your losses.

Guess that's why they named the game Marathon instead of Race, baby

Say what you will about Concord but at least that game actually launched.

At least they still have a chance to improve their game.

>>712965206 (OP)
Bungie had it made, they could have just continued to be the dudebro FPS company with a cool soundtrack musician.
Fucking retards.

>>712966748
In that case >>712966789 is right, cut your losses and move on
>>712966817
Valuable contribution, thanks anon!

>>712965206 (OP)
Man, it really is amazing how badly run the western games industry is.

>>712967041
It feels intentional sometimes, like it's to spite gamers, but this is the result of having retards at every level of development.

>>712965206 (OP)
That isn't what they said, they said its getting a new release date.

But what is hilarious is the backtracking on all PvP elements for more PvE ones. WOW ITS ALMOST LIKE YOU HAD A DECADE OF DESTINY TO LEARN THAT LESSON BUT YOU STILL THOUGHT PEOPLE WANTED AN EXTRACTION SHOOTER.

Fuckwits.

>>712967268
Oh, they 100% do what they can to stick it to gamers when they can, but a lot of it is the suits running these studios and them being out of touch with the audience.

>>712966671
Anon, devs of this type of cancerous shit make more money from not releasing games than releasing games.
>CA cancels Hyenas
>writes it off on their taxes
>The UK pays them a whole fuckload of money
>Sony unreleases Concord
>writes it off on their taxes
>The US forgives them of taxes equal to their self-reported development cost
You're just confused because Ubisoft keeps releasing their actual liquid shit. They're getting pre-funded through the Canadian government, so they don't have to beg for taxpayer money after cancelling the game like everyone else.

TRANSrathon LOST
>kek

>>712965206 (OP)
People are losing their jobs. People with families. People with children. People upon whom others depend to put clothes on their back and food on their table. Now they have nothing. Many of them will have to take jobs out of desperation at reduced pay which will impact their quality of life. They will have to move across the country. They will have to sell their homes at a loss. They will have to pull their kids out of school in the middle of the year.

And yet here you are on the asshole of the internet gloating about it, conjoined by a chorus of equally pathetic shitheels who have also accomplished nothing in life. And why? Because these people made a game you did not like. As if that is such a fucking crime. But no, it's not enough that you did not support the game. You had to take it a step further. You had to trash it at every opportunity. You had to discourage others from supporting it.

There are so many talented individuals in this industry who grow disillusioned and quit because of people like you. The bitterness. The spitefulness. The hatred. There are supportive people out there but they are drowned out by the negativity. This website is a festering shitpile and people like you are mysteriously drawn to it.

You need to take a step back and reevaluate your life. Ask yourself why you take so much joy when others encounter misfortune. Does it make you feel better? Does your life finally have a purpose? Do you feel fulfilled? Do your parents tell you how proud they are of you?

I hate you. I fucking hate you. And I don't mean that in the "I think you are a fucking dickhead" sense but in the "I loathe the mere fact that you are allowed to exist another miserable day" sense. I hope you find yourself in the same situation someday. And I hope someone gloats about it on the internet. And others join in celebration. Just like you are doing right now. I will be there when it happens. And I will laugh my ass off at you.

Fuck you.

Just fuck you.

>>712966896
no you don't understand, they need even MORE money! this was the only way!

video games are dying and you're all laughing

>>712965206 (OP)
You cant fix GAAS slop

>>712967683
Lmao

Literally no one was looking forward to this. Zoomies have no idea what the OG Marathon even was.

>>712965206 (OP)
Is this neonslop really what they had in mind back in 1994?

>>712967683
This but ironically

>>712967683
pissposter i know thats you
>>712967041
>>712967268
their modus operandi is 1) ego and 2) incompetence
if youve suffered bungie long enough you'd know that, except for once in a blue moon, bungie is its own worst enemy

>>712967683
OMG trannies and liberal cucks are losing their jobs. I'm so sad!

I need (you) to save Conco- I mean Marathon

Still better than Halo and anything 343 will ever do

>>712968015
There's a relatively straightforward solution for companies who don't want this to keep happening:
Stop being retarded

This was a marathon they could not finish.

>>712968191

>>712967041
Every decision and perception is hyper-politicized to one of two extremes, and it's so fucking tiring. There is no nuance or apolitical decision making at any level. Like... you can't just "make a game" it has to also be a media as message, and the message is moralising and preachy and for some weird reason kind of revolved around sex and assumptive racism on the part of its audience. It is extremely tiring and dull and uninteresting

I really think about what Bungie said to get naughty dog's game cancelled. Not enough stolen assets and hero shooter elements?

>>712967862
Zoomies love stolen millenial valor though

>>712967862
>>712968335
Modern gaming normies love it when something they once might’ve heard about vaguely or in passing gets thrown back into the zeitgeist. It gives them a pass to blitz through the wiki so that they can pretend that they’ve been lifelong fans. Most famous example is when suddenly everyone was a Shenmue fan after that one E3.

>>712966896
All companies that hire women suffer this fate.

>>712969473
Bankrupting your legacy gaming company to own the chuddies

>Google it
>Oh shit its real
>Read the Forbes article
>tfw realizing I had no clue what the game actually was
I was just assuming it was a hero shooter because that seems to be the trend. A hero extraction shooter without any pve? Wild.

>>712967631
Nigga, that's not how writing something off on your taxes works.
>spend $100k and buy a bar of gold worth $100k
>keep it in your house
>be stupid/responsible and report that you own a $100k gold bar in your house
>get pushed up some tax brackets and pay more every year on taxes in general
>plan to sell the gold bar when gold goes up in value
>one day, a thief slips into your house and steals the gold bar
>police can't find it, you have no insurance on it, just gone
>now you write the gold bar off on your taxes, stating that you do not have it or its value anymore
>you stop getting taxed for it and you move down in tax brackets
I forget what happens if you manage to get the hypothetical gold bar back though, IIRC you have to pay "back-taxes" on it, paying as if the gold was with you the whole time.

As for WHY you write things off on your taxes, it's to say that the value you owned, game, movie, company, whatever, is GONE gone, there's no value there, it's done, you will not ever get anything out of that asset ever again.
So like,
>spend $200m on making a hopefully $200m+ game
>game shows signs that it absolutely will not ever make a dollar for you
>write it off on your taxes to say that the $200m is simply gone, so that you're not getting taxed for literally nothing
>you stop getting taxed for the $200m-worth of voice acting, art, code, etc.
>you pinky-swear that you will absolutely never make a CENT off that
This is why whenever something gets written off on their taxes, they vault the shit out of it and it never sees the light of day outside of a few exceptions. You so much as sell concept art of the thing you wrote off, you're fucked and the IRS will actually physically crawl up your ass to pull out organs to sell.

(Disclaimer: it's running a bit late and I need coffee, so sorry if some of this is a bit nutty. Should all be truth-adjacent though.)

>>712968191
Gold.

>>712965206 (OP)
jesus christ, bodies everywhere.

Still pretty bizaree that they have a success story with Helldivers 2, and they are insisting on doing everything but make more games like that where they take a simple concept and throw big money at it. Theres fuck loads of extraction shooters now, noone cares if there is a new one that has more money behind it, theyve already played it or have solidifed themselves in some other game of it. Fuck it, take Killzone or Halo and make a Battlefield rip off with that universe, since BF killed itself theres been a hole that needs filling for land sea and air large scale pvp games, a sci fi one would be rad, the fucking blueprints are right there for it with the factions, vehicles and weapons etc.

>>712970617 (me)
Sorry, ">win $100k lottery and buy a bar of gold worth $100k"
If you had the $100k beforehand, you'd already be up the tax brackets.
Then again, getting $100k stolen from you, you can still write that off and drop down to a cheaper bracket, so whatever.
The main thing is that the IRS doesn't want you just saying "the moneys gon lol" when you actually spent $100k upgrading your car for street racing without reporting the increased value of your car.

>>712965206 (OP)
Funny that they would've gotten a fuckload less heat if they called it literally anything else (and didn't steal art).
-and was in a different genre.
Would've made a pretty interesting FPS, call it "The Cyberpunks" or something like that, man, lean into that futuristic corpo shit, go ham with it to the point of parody (and try not to do the "capitalism and money bad" shit for the 99999999th time.)

>>712970979
To be fair, they almost crashed Helldivers with that login change that one time too, just another sign they're just poking around doing shit like a chicken without a head.

Man. If you guys get mad at tax shenanigans for video games you should check out Hollywood.
>Write a script
>Catches the eye of Movie Studio
>Movie Studio says "Hey. Ill give you 1,000 bucks if you give me that."
>You see blockbusters making MILLIONS at box office. You say no. You want 10% of the profit
>Movie Studio sucks its teeth and says "You drive a hard bargain. Deal. Shake on it?"
>You shake
>They take the script and make a movie
>Read the papers. It too brought in MILLIONS.
>You wait for a call from Movie Studio
>They never call
>You start calling them
>They bounce your call back and forth until you get irritated and hang up
>You drive to Movie Studio's house
>Movie Studio sheepishly answers the door.
>You say "Bro, wtf."
>They say they were trying to get in touch with you
>Demand your money
>Movie Studio sucks its teeth
>"Yeah. That movie didnt do so hot."
>You point out it raked in a literal bajillion dollars
>Movie Studio says "Well yeah. But your cut is only for the PROFITS." and hands you the invoice
>One of the companies they hired, Mobie Studios, charged them a literal bajillion dollars
>You say "You clearly own that company. This invoice is on your stationary. You even signed the invoice and made the check payable to you."
>They shrug and tell you to tell it to your lawyer
>They do, in fact, owe you 10% though. You shook on it.
>He pulls out a calculator. Punches in the numbers. Brought in bajillions, but cost bajillions to make. Soooo.. the profit is 100 bucks.
>They scratch off a ten dollar check and hand it to you
>Slam the door in your face
>Then creates a franchise, raking in several bajillions, but your deal teeeeeeechnically was only for that one script you wrote.

>>712965206 (OP)
escape from tarkov came out years ago and already won that genre.
why do a copy of that but worse in every way, even though you have 100x more budget???
I guess the money went to copy and pasting other peoples art assets for 80% of the game.
I'd do it to take Microsofts money. Fuck em.

>>712972348
If you think vidya and hollywood are bad for it, wait until you hear about rich people as individuals

>>712973807
correction, I meant Sony.
Microsoft is still worse.

>>712965206 (OP)
Unironically the right call here. Just pause everything and reassess.
Though it would have been fucking hilarious if Sony sent it out to die.

>>712972348
Well, if you don't read or understand the contracts you sign it's also kinda your fault. If you don't know the difference between revenue and profits and sign away the rights to something you made without consulting a lawyer beforehand to walk you through the pitfalls, you have no one to blame but yourself.

>>712970617
personal tax and business tax are very different
when a business loses money, it doesn't just not pay tax, it gets negative tax, which is pooled until it earns enough money to pay tax again
asset depreciation is included as a loss, assessed at some ridiculous rate that has nothing to do with the actual value of the asset
employee wages are usually not counted as a negative-taxable loss, but many (often overlapping) jurisdictions will subsidise wages to encourage employment by the big-spending business that's buying all these buildings and vehicles and crazy supercomputers and shit

so business are financially incentivised to spend lots of money on buildings, vehicles, and equipment they don't need, employ people that produce nothing of value, and lose money faster than they make it, and this incentive only increases if they go along with [current political agenda]

>>712967683
or you know they could just....make good games???

>>712967683
I am a disabled veteran who will love off of your taxdollars for the rest of my life
Thank me for my service, and stop making shitty games
I don’t care how many woke and retarded devs get laid off, I’m not buying your slop and I will laugh at all your failures

>>712967683
copy pastas are supposed to be funny

>>712968312
>to one of two extremes
I've yet to see that other hypothetical extreme you demented centrists always harp on and on and on about. I've yet to see any legitimate, not even extreme, right wing games in their entirety. At best, we got a few left of center lolbertarian garbage here and there from time to time. I'm waiting, when is my polarized far right game gonna come out?
>captcha 4G0Y

>>712969923
Apex legends but it looks like a destiny2 expansion and it plays like an autistic cod4 and has the edge of overwatch

>>712965206 (OP)
Aw man. I was looking forward to the steam charts.

>>712966748
All I saw was like a dozen shitty little logos, barely even art, wouldn’t take more than a day to remove. It wasn’t textures or models or anything important. They were literally Noun Project tier nothings.

>>712965206 (OP)
WE DID IT REDDIT

>>712967683

>>712967683

>>712967683
Waiter, this pasta is stale!

>>712974416
Alright josh

>>712966671
You're underestimating how sycophantic Bungie fans are. They will always give Bungie another chance expecting a decade's worth of promises to be delivered in an expansion. They could return doing the absolute bare minimum of just removing the stolen textures and throwing in a classic Marathon reference and they would be hailed as gods.

>>712977124
You're describing battlefield players
Bungietards are conditioned density1/2 paypigs and gamerdads, the company literally no longer has a legitimate fanbase

Destiny was gay shit, bungie's been dead for over a decade

>>712966671
jews take over companies just to kill them
they're working on sony and all the companies sony has bought right now

>>712965206 (OP)
qrd about marathon? I usually avoid console war threads but im drunk now

The assets will find a new home in Destiny 2.

>>712978119
In the past it was Bungie's version of From's Kings Field that led to DeS. Now it's an extraction shooter with shit looking characters that had an alpha or beta test everybody hated.

>>712972348
hitler 2 when

Piss on Bungie's grave.
You got lucky with Halo and you even screwed Destiny up.
At least the shitstorm did give us a funny meme pic

>>712967631
>>CA cancels Hyenas
Hyenas was cancelled by SEGA. Don't give CA the credit for making the right decision and cancelling that turd.

>>712978875
yeah hyenas was all CA's fuckup

My fucking god did they fall.
From one of gaming's greats to this shit pile. I am disappointed in Bungie.

>>712977124
I believe that, I listened to my buddy complain about Destiny 2 while he was actively continuing to play it for at least 2 years before he finally uninstalled it.

>>712978248
The character designs were crap, but I actually liked the overall design of things.

every day i believe more and more that their hits were just lucky flukes

Whats the differene in 'indefinite delay' and 'cancelled'. They still working on it but dont wanna talk about it?

>>712981000
however long said delay is indefinite, as in not defined, as in they have no idea
canceled means there is a defined delay, permanent

>>712965206 (OP)
>fans
?

>>712978909
God remember the leaks from that game, the guy talking about how CA saw it as the start of their new era that it would be their future.
This failure has been so delicious I've become an energy vampire.

>>712975848
I'm sure they kept very good documentation of what is stolen right? Iy would be crazy if they had no idea which assets they could trust or not, right? It would be crazier if they had already fired the guy(s) who put in the stolen assets in the first place.

Lmao

I win.

>>712972348
>They do, in fact, owe you 10% though. You shook on it.
That's not how it works.

>>712982763
No, thats exactly how it works.
Thats why they invent corporations that pay themselves 5 million dollars for subtitling services, so there is no profit to pay from. Thats why SAG-Aftra fought for actors getting their stake from gross revenue, not profit.

Because there is never profit.

All of you should go FUCK YOURSELVES
This was going to be Bungies return and you ruined it

>>712966671
They are frantically searching all the stolen assets for trans flags and dildos to delete them before release

>>712974416
Asset depreciation is only up to 100% of the asset, typically on a schedule of your choosing (although sometimes the government decides for you). If you sell the asset for any money after it depreciates 100%, you now owe taxes on it (hence why businesses just junk good stuff once it gets old).
>so business are financially incentivised to spend lots of money on buildings, vehicles, and equipment they don't need, employ people that produce nothing of value
yes, this is intentional. The government wrote tax law to incentivize this behavior. They call it "investing" in the local economy or some bs.
>when a business loses money, it doesn't just not pay tax, it gets negative tax, which is pooled until it earns enough money to pay tax again
You can do this as an individual too. Look up capital gains taxes.

>>712983432
You can't write off a worthless education for tax credits

>>712983361
Might as well redo everything because most of their assets are probably compromised. Also, they should finally fire the art director who keeps getting caught plagiarising.

>>712983483
yes, but you can nuke israel

>>712965206 (OP)
Dang, Bungie is still alive and doing things?

>>712967683
Stale pasta
Make better games, faggot

>>712970979
My pet theory is that Helldivers 2 was too low profile and too small a project during development (compared with Concord or Jade’s game) for them to care about it and ask for more pozzed stuff.

>>712967631
I dont think thats how it works, if that were true game dev companies would never close because they could just farm government money for ever

>>712965206 (OP)
Nooo you ruined the best fame omg poor bungie

>>712984632
Which they do. The concept is like this:
>senior from a respectable company goes freelance
>said company has gov contracts
>he gets gov grants and favourable loans (gov backs up the loan)
>he puts his wife in hr and they hire Jr wagies
>he let's Jr do the work he did for the initially mentioned conoaby
>cost for the company doubles, quality halves
This is called economic growth nowadays

>>712965206 (OP)
ommmmmmmmm

Who would have thought Sega, of all companies, would lead by example.

>>712986872
Does this mean heavy layoffs for Bungie and Sony relegating them into the Destiny mines forever?

>>712967041
They bleed talent and experienced leaders like crazy, every new guy has to prove themselves

>>712986960
Probably. Destiny, despite being unfiltered shit, somehow still draws in money. Keep milking the tards and change the strategy when, not if, when, that stops working. But until then why risk these big dead-on-arrival games?

>>712986872
>join the ack...!

>>712986872
>JOIN THE ACK

>>712986872
It's like on of those old broken clocks that are right twice a day.
Sega is retarded beyond words, but every now and then, when the clock is right, they'll hit the nail on the head and accidentally make a really good decision.

>>712973807
They keep trying to make "Tarkov but not so hard or autistic" and fail to realize that Tarkov captured a very tiny niche of people who want a frustratingly hard and annoyingly autistic game.

>>712975685
NTA but if you want an actual example of the opposite extreme look at some of the shit russian studios put out