Thread 712984528

>put no armor
>face small mob with greathammer
>get interrupted out of attack and receive 1000 damage

>put heavy upgraded armor
>face same mob with same weapon
>get interrupted out of attack and receive 900 damage

So much for the most "RPG" Souls game

>>712984528 (OP)
Dark Souls 2 has actually the least viable options, it's not an RPG it's a rollspam game unlike Dark Souls 1 or 3 where armor and blocking works
https://youtu.be/8LtRS0AW9Qg?si=fBDWq6SFgdDkZ0qv

>>712984693
The pot calling the kettle black.

>>712984528 (OP)
>be me
>male
>look 7/10

>be me after gender transition
>""female""
>look 3/10

>>712984804
>DS3 out of nowhere
RENT-FREE

>>712984528 (OP)
>fell for the dark souls 2 meme
Play the uninstall wizard build

>>712984869
I mean, who else could he be? It's always DS2fags and DS3fags shitting on each other favorite game >>712985219

>>712984804
>brony gets upset again
kek

>>712985441
Anyone with common sense shits on Dark Souls 2

>>712984528 (OP)
>power stance gets shilled to the max
>look inside
>movesets are 90% identical

>>712985589
I don't. I like all 3 games.
>>712985459

>>712984528 (OP)
If you weren't a newfig you'd know they specifically tried to address being able to poise and animation lock through groups of enemies in DaS and make mobs more of a threat.
In short, play DaS if you want to do that.

>>712985707
troons like troony things.

>>712985775
Is that why you can't stop thinking about them?
Last (You) btw.

>>712985934
>brony gets upset again
kek

>>712985760
>they specifically tried to address being able to poise and animation lock through groups of enemies in DaS and make mobs more of a threat.
If only there was a mechanic when armor would synergize with attack committment in order to make armor useless but require the player to engage with the enemies

>>712985707
>I like all 3 games
Then you are a retard with no standards

>>712985760
>We made armor useless because we can't balance it
Woah based Tanimura, Best Souls 2 at it again

>>712986061
do people still play ds3? or is it just tryhard bowglitching estus cancelling metaslaves
i'm itching to play a GOOD game with DECENT pvp, considering fromsoft won't give us one for a long ass time...

>>712986245
>do people still play ds3?
Yes
>or is it just tryhard bowglitching estus cancelling metaslaves
No, most players are still not regulars

>>712985707
Not a valid opinion.

>>712984781
Disagree. DS2 has many viable weapon types. Shields are viable. Armor is dogshit in all 3 games for PvE, with the possible exception of DS1 where you can poise meme, which is cool. All types of magic are viable in DS2 and give you nice weapon scaling /buffs. DS3 is the truly dogshit game because there's basically no difference between weapons. It's either fast+good damage (straight sword), or garbage. Anything heavy blows ass because it just makes the rollslop rhythm bosses more annoying, and heavy weapons actually stunlock normal enemies worse because most enemies have no poise and will die to R1 straight sword spam 100% of the time.

>>712984528 (OP)
Except poise actually works in this game unlike ds3

>>712986992
No, poise doesn't work for shit. You will always get staggered

>>712986992
poise != hyper armour

>>712986925
>Armor is dogshit in all 3 games for PvE,
Nope
Only Dark Souls 2 has worthless armor
>DS3 is the truly dogshit game because there's basically no difference between weapons. It's either fast+good damage (straight sword), or garbage. Anything heavy blows ass
Not even close. Heavy weapons in Dark Souls 3 can actually stagger enemies and hitstun resist.
Everything you said applies to Dark Souls 2, where even if you stun enemies, their hitstun is so brief they would attack you before
>rollslop
The only rollslop game is Dark Souls 2. Tanking and blocking are viable playstyles eslewhere and a meme challenge run in Dark Souls 2

>>712986992
>Except poise actually works in this game
It doesn't. Poise is absymal in Dark Souls 2, even with mobs because they usually have hit combos that negate it entirely

>>712986925
You are projecting harder than Mirror Knight
Heavy weapons are really strong in Dark Souls 3. They suck in DS2 where every weapon is the same

>>712987452
>>712987685

doesn't matter, in DS3 it's so much better to just R1 with a faster weapon since u have infinite stam and nearly every enemy is stunlocked by any fast attack
DS3 armor is garb
DS2 heavy weapons can pancake which is actually useful because you cant just R1 spam with a longsword

>>712987885
Nope, that's inane bullshit from a retarded DS2 fanboy
R1s from slower weapons have hyperarmor light weapons don't have. The myth of straight sword being OP is just some uneducated bullshit by idiots that never engaged with Dark Souls 3
On the contrary, while Dark Souls 3 does weapon balance in an excellent way, Dark Souls 2 fails at the basics

>>712984528 (OP)
Ds2 is just demon souls 2. If you don’t know what that means replay both, they are eerily similar
But yeah max hp > armor

>>712989218
more like demon's souls 0.5, that game had better animations and feedback and full analog movement lol

>>712989218
>Ds2 is just demon souls 2.
Demon's Souls 2 had hyperarmor

>>712985707
Only correct opinion. It's sad that people here can't just enjoy the trilogy.

>>712984528 (OP)
Post this actually happening in game.

>>712992446
>>712988741

>>712992670
>small mob
Heide knights are not a "small mob".

>>712992670
>poises through 2 attacks in the last clip
You aren't even getting interrupted. You're just recovering from swinging a heavy weapon or draining all your stamina mashing r1 like a noob.

>>712992857
The last clip shows that even if the enemy has an histun Dark Souls 2 is a shit game designed by dogs so the actual histun lasts less than the player recover, just to hammer how useless heavy weapons are in DS2, aka rapierpoke the game
Armor, heavy weapons, shields, tanking and anything that isn't just spamming poke attacks with Stone Ring in Dark Souls 2 is neutered and worthless. Even Iron Flesh, that in any game makes the player an absolute poise tank that can mitigate any damage, is completely worthless in Dark Souls 2
>>712992818
yes they are

>>712987452
The only thing keeping armor in ds3 being viable is still being able to rollspam in whatever you're wearing, so lighter builds aren't even beneficial to your roll or stamina usage. And in ds1 armor was completely broken and turned the game into just mindless tanking. In DS2 armor is good enough to poise a couple of hits or strategically trade a blow to finish an enemy off, but you still don't wanna get hit. DS3 doesn't even have that.

>>712993429
>play like a dumbass
>die
That's fucking crazy

>>712988741
gross. get those animations out of my sight

>>712993716
>The only thing keeping armor in ds3 being viable is still being able to rollspam in whatever you're wearing
Completely false, clearly more retarded crap said by someone who never tried using armor
>In DS2 armor is good enough to poise a couple of hits or strategically trade a blow to finish an enemy off,
No it's not, it's complete dogshit

>>712994013
Oh it's "not", even though your own webms show exactly that happening

>>712993429
>yes they are
They quite literally aren't by any stretch of they imagination. Post OP happening with a basic hollow or something, otherwise I'll just disregard you as a disingenuous retard.

>>712993429
wow ds2 poise literally doesnt work if this is what iron flesh looks like, no excuse

>put on the heaviest, tankiest armor
>facetank one hit from a boss
>25% damage taken

>put on rags in every slot
>facetank one hit from a boss
>25% damage taken

>remove all armor
>facetank one hit from a boss
>50% damage taken
dark souls 3 is the worst one

>>712994119
My webms show that the only attacks that are weak enough for the player not to flinch come in pairs and you are not able to tank them because they come in multi-hits
>>712994123
>They quite literally aren't
They are. Any kind of humanoid enemy thatr size is meant to be engaged by the player on an equal footing. You can use armor very efectively in Dark Souls 3 against knights of all kinds, even DLC knights. Even against the most basic starting enemy armor doesn't work at all
>>712993949
>like a dumbass
You mean doing anything that isn't dodging attacks?
>>712994548
False

>>712994548
>put on rags in 3 slots leaving your gloves empty
>facetank one hit from a boss
>49% damage taken
;^)

>>712995925
>poise tanks dagger spamming mob
What is the point of this webm other than to show poise working

>>712995925
>Any kind of humanoid enemy thatr size is meant to be engaged by the player on an equal footing
They are literally larger than the player character.
Also nice cherrypicked webm that still isn't doing what the OP said.

>>712995925
>False
except thats how it works in dark souls 3.
just filling a slot removes the defence penalty.
the absorbtion stat does practically nothing. regardless of what you wear (as long as you wear it) you'll be 3-4 hits away from death.

>>712996449
>>poise tanks dagger spamming mob
No it doesn't. It breaks on second hit
>>712996567
>They are literally larger than the player character.
No
>Also nice cherrypicked webm that still isn't doing what the OP said.
I did, I showed how Iron Flesh changes of nothing the actual damage taken
>>712996634
>except thats how it works in dark souls 3.
>just filling a slot removes the defence penalty.
>the absorbtion stat does practically nothing.
False again

>>712996884
>False again
False

>AKTHUALLY ARMOR WORKS IF YOU GET HIT ONLY ONCE BY THE LITERAL WEAKEST ENEMY IN GAME IN THE HEAVIEST SET
DS2 dickriders are a different breed of cunt

>>712996884
>No
They literally are, they're just hunched over.
>I did,
There hasn't been a single webm of a small enemy being fought with a greathammer in heavy armor.

>>712997009
>WORKS
its a fromsoft game, nothing really works

>>712997078
>There hasn't been a single webm of a small enemy being fought with a greathammer in heavy armor.
Yes, there is, the heide knights

>>712995925
Why don't you just put on Havels and a poise ring if you want to poise?

>>712997280
Heide knights are literally bigger than the player character. How difficult is it to get a greathammer and try bonking a basic hollow with it while they're attacking in heavy armor?

>>712997376
Because Velstadt set is even better statistically

>>712984528 (OP)
Use a shield, dumbass. If you want to be facetanking you need specific items and a specific build.

>>712997009
More than you can say for ds3

>>712997280
is that supposed to be good or fun gameplay?
defend that webm.

>>712997521
>If you want to be facetanking you need specific items and a specific build.
There's no build in Dark Souls 2 that let you play anything but rollspam. It's a rollspam game

>>712997670
its the roll spam genre

>>712997737
*puts on smough's, FaP and wolf's ring in ds1*
nope

>>712984528 (OP)
>receive 900 instead of 1000 from heavy armor
yeah I agree

>get interrupted
true but this is more of a skill issue

>heavily upgraded armor
is a lot better? did you play the game? A mediocre set at max will be better than a lot heavier ones

>>712997280
You'd still be able to rollspam in that armor. You dont even have to trade protection and poise, with your ability to rollspam and iframe because DS3 isn't an rpg with depth. There's no reason for every player to not just put on the heaviest armor they can and play at 69.9% equip load.

>>712996963
Heavy armor in Dark Souls 3 has no dimishing returns. It's multiplicative and absorbtion is a percentage reduction on what passes through Defense, which is then applies at every type of the damage received.
You can get to take 2 or even 4 more hits with heavy armor than light armor

>>712998757
I saw no difference when I tested it against a boss, I guess armor only works on adds that really doesn't matter, as you can just run past them

>>712998537
>You'd still be able to rollspam in that armor
No you can't, you would know if you actually engaged with the mechanics
>You dont even have to trade protection and poise, with your ability to rollspam and iframe
False, but Dark Souls 3 armor actually works so the fat roll is worth it
>because DS3 isn't an rpg with depth.
That would be Dark Souls 2

>>712998998
>I guess armor only works on adds
No you retard. It's exactly against bosses and elite enemies where armor works better because it's percentage based

>>712998097
>>heavily upgraded armor
>is a lot better?
Yeah It removes 150 damage instead of 100 from Fume Knight's 1000 damage per swing
Worth the 30 twinkling titanites

>>712999243
>die after 4 hits with heavy armor
>die after 4 hits with light armor
>die after 2 hits with no armor
that was my experience, thats the practical function of their dogshit system.

>>712999120
>No you can't
Yes you can. lol
>fat roll is worth it
You get nothing with a fat roll build. Anyone can roll spam around even in a Winged Knight Set of armor.
>That would be Dark Souls 2
DS2 has the fundamentals of an action rpg. If i wanna roll around I have to at least play light, invest in stamina. DS3 cant even do that.

>>712997670
>There's no build in Dark Souls 2 that let you play anything but rollspam.
That is simply not true and i would know since i have almost 700 hours in DS2. Shield builds are pretty common for PvE and fat builds that slowroll relly on the ability to facetank one or two hits. I even used to post my builds here on /v/ in the post your character DS2 threads just to prove all the crybabies that adaptability is a meme stat that you don't need.

>>712999604
You just don't get it. I should have maxed out defensive stats from level 1. That is what makes it a great rpg.

>>712999338
>fuming about fume knight
lmao skill-checked

>>712985459
is this a dog whistle for the tranny discord? I'm starting to noticing patterns

Some people just don't think 25% damage mitigation is worthwhile. You can never get through to that kind of person because they aren't about the melee fighter life. They usually play assassins and archers and casters

>>712984528 (OP)
Poise worked in DS2, but it regenerated extremely slowly. So you poised through a hit, and then get poise broken by an identical attack 3 minutes later because your poise hadn't fully recovered yet. Physical defense from armour was near useless. Elemental defenses were op if you stacked them hard enough. So just use a 100% phys block shield and min max elemental defenses with armour and rings.

>>712999960
TRVTHNVKE c*sters, h*xers, and s*rcerers need to play another game

>>712999960
>25% damage mitigation
is a myth.
I however chose to not be bad at video games and simply press a button to avoid all damage, thats 100% damage mitigation.
run the numbers, take your time.

>>712984804
I forget what the point of this was, i don't remember sex specific animations having any effect on pvp.
Was it so hollow female characters could pretend to be npc enemies?

>>713000153
>I'm sure to win because my speed is superior!
>gets one shot

>>712994548
Agreed, Havel's armor in DS3 only makes you take 19,6% less physical damage compared to the Black Leather Set, despite weighing around 4 times as much. In DS3 you just want to wear a light armour set and play like bloodborne, but with decent shields in exchange for no rally system. Poise doesn't even matter unless you are using a massive weapon like Guts' sword.

>>712999369
>that was my experience
And that's wrong, you actually get to see the 30% extra absorbtion even with common mobs
>>712999528
>Yes you can
No you can't. Even with 15 Vitality you can med roll off Lothric Knight set
>You get nothing with a fat roll build
Fat roll is very viable and usable, from having low profile to generally needing to dodge a lot less in Dark Souls 3 when you can actually use hyperarmor and interrupt the enemy reliably.
>>712999604
ADP is not needed because the enemy is retarded and exploitable enough that your 9 iframe dodge is still usable and you will still dryhump them a lot so they miss like cretins. Shields are trash as anything but tools to abuse shit enemies or to complement getting behind the enemy back aka the only real strategy of Dark Souls 2, because you sure as hell are not facing them head on, not with the weak ability to interrupt enemies or with the massive delay on raising the very shield due to not having ADP.

>>713000426
projecting. unlike you I can position myself and time a simple button press to not die.

>>713000562
>And that's wrong
wrong

>>713000568
Yeah bro, you've never died in a Dark Souls. I believe you

>don't get hit
Wow that was easy to fix

Armor in souls games is a fucking joke. The only time it's ever worked properly is dark souls 1 and that scared FROM into never doing it again, despite being looked at as the greatest game.
FROM even forgot why they had enemies do so much damage to begin with.

>>713000527
>Agreed, Havel's armor in DS3 only makes you take 19,6% less physical damage compared to the Black Leather Set, despite weighing around 4 times as much
Wrong

>>713000696
I died plenty, until I learned how to play the game and the moveset of every boss I had to fight.
Just don't get hit.

>>712995925
In that webm you are not attacking, which cuts your poise by 2/3rds in DS2. If you attacked you could poise through a hit and stagger the mob with your own attack. Of course, for your poise to fully regenerate afterwards, you would have to wait 5 minutes or get staggered by another enemy, because passive poise regeneration is glacial in DS2.

Every now and then I decide to come to these threads. Its just wonderful what the mind of an average retard is capable.

>>713000907
>In that webm you are not attacking, which cuts your poise by 2/3rds in DS2. If you attacked you could poise through a hit and stagger the mob with your own attack
Staggering the enemy is worthless in Dark Souls 2, they recover as fast as the player attacking>>712988741

>>713000998
Who the fuck was talking about staggering the enemy? Read nigger.

>>713001131
Retard
>>713000907
>you could poise through a hit and stagger the mob

>>713000998
So? It interrupts their combo and lets you keep attacking and staggering the mob again and again until you run out of stamina. Staggering an enemy in a 1v1 is basically free damage.

>>713000562
You are just wrong. Shields are amazing with the right build, there are 100% resist shields and you don't drop them down since you attack behind your shield(you can attack while holding the shield in defence). I've played DS2 a lot and the main way you play ''slowroll builds'' is not by slowrolling but by running(that is why you never go into slow walk build territory since that is what really gets you) but i don't expect people who don't understand DS2 systems to know that. Also in DS2 you can make builds that heavily rely on staggering/nuking enemies. That's how i used to farm as a sunbro helping people go trough Heide's Tower of Flame by using a greathammer and heavy twohanded attack bonking the knights.

>>713001239
False

>>713000816
Armor in Souls games is good
It's Dark Souls 2 (fake Souls game), that botched it completely

>>713000562
Does that really look like a worthwhile increase in defense to you? Your webm is a skewed comparison because the knight opens with a stab on the light armor but just does the low-damage shield bash to the heavy armor. On the same attack you're not actually taking that much less damage considering the investment needed.

>>713001239
You get 50% less poise when not attacking.
When you are not hit while attacking, you regenerate poise much slower.
As I said. Read, you retarded turbonigger.

>>713001320
defend that webm
>ignoring enemy attacks
>chugged all estus
>r1 spam
theres no armor in the world that could possibly tank how bad that gameplay looks

>>713001252
>Staggering an enemy in a 1v1 is basically free damage.
No it's not, not even parry is free damage. You lose all your stamina like a cuck and the enemy just shrugs and recovers faster than you
Same for the other webm where an enemy staggered attacks me while I'm still in endlag.

>>713000562
>30% extra absorbtion
>its 25% vs 35%
>30%
>extra
>absorbtion

>>713001513
False, you could do exactly that in DaS1.

>>713001651
False, thats still extremely boring

>>713001575
>You lose all your stamina like a cuck and the enemy just shrugs and recovers faster than you
You fucked up your build, forgot to use consumables or you played it wrong. I know this since i love staggering enemies and bosses in DS2.

>>713000836
>and the moveset of every boss I had to fight.
you know, souls veterans hate Elden Ring, but it does feel cool to play it as an RPG and force yourself to win through careful build planning instead of learning the boss pattern, thus reducing the game into an action one.

>>713001503
It's exactly the difference in damage indicated, but it also adds up multiplicative to any extra source of absorbtion increase and grants higher poise that actually works

>>713001843
When it comes to elden ring, both approaches feel horrible.

>>713001938
ds3 looks goofy as fuck

>>713001938
>all estus gone
pathetic, actually embarrassing to play this way.

>>713001575
In this instance you(or whomever is playing) is using a weapon with 35 poise damage. You could be using the Blacksmith's Hammer that deals 40 poise damage, most(some are lower at 50 or even lower) greathammers deal 60 poise damage(which you can increase with the poise ring) and the Old Knight Hammer deals 65 poise damage(hilarious once you make it mundane for PvP or you can mage it for dark/magic if you are a mage build and cast repair).

>>713001726
Yeah I'm sure you do, mind to post evidence?
>>713002031
Based retard

>That HP
Overleveled or bad at games?

>>713001575
Why does DS2 actually look like 2 heavy characters in suits of armor swinging around heavy weapons
>>713001938
and then you get to ds3 and it looks like a cartoon lol

>>712993429
Rapier is only good at poking bosses.
Good luck surviving against average mobs where half of them have resistance against poke type damage.

>>713002160
both

I THINK DARK SOULS 2 SUCKS

>>713002147
>Yeah I'm sure you do, mind to post evidence?
I'll have to reinstall the game and play all the way to that part while also going around and getting the proper weapons/items etc. I can do it but i have no incentive to do it.

>>713002346
False

>>713002429
You got me, I think it's ok

>>713002196
>Why does DS2 actually look like 2 heavy characters in suits of armor swinging around heavy weapons
DS2 has motioncaptured animations and also has unique animations for your character depending on how heavy you are. DS3 is just reusing the DS1 animations.

>>713002031
You are a complete idiot
>>713001513
No, it was extremely fun. You can actually take a good fire resist armor and upgrade a good fire reisist medium shield in Dark Souls 3 and face the boss head on. It's a challenge that is extremely rewarding. I even blocked directly its beam and survived with low damage
>>713001508
>You get 50% less poise when not attacking
And that's why I was attacking, retard
>>713002137
Every single time you "stagger" the enemy, in Dark Souls 2, this enemy recovers faster than you do from the attack animation, quit bullshitting. There's no strategy or design around Dark Souls 2 combatr, it's garbage

>>713002768
>it was extremely fun
>fun
False, objectively so.

>>713001281
Prove it

>>713002196
Dark Souls 2 one is floaty shit, ther's not even hitstop

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>>713003176
True, It got fucked in production and it shows.
Other than that it's far better than anything else fromsoft ever made, sadly thats a low bar.

>>713001575
Remember, this guy's using a mod to reduce stamina consumption.

>Investing in HP is le bad
Cry about it rollspamming faggot

>>713003176
DS3 looks like the floaty one. What is hitstop?

>>712985589
Hello there, Asthmagold.

>>712984781
These videos and these "people" are retarded, and all of them wear fatsuits while they tell themselves that they "don't do anything" because they act like being able to completely ignore an attack that would interrupt you isn't a big deal

>>713001575
BASED fuck parryfaggots

>>713001575
If you want to do damage, you have to spend stamina. Simple as.

>>713003339
Nice headcanon, retard
>>713003398
>Armor being shit is actually le good
>>713003702
Nobody that isn't retarded uses armor in Dark Souls 2

>>713004441
Tencent owns 4chan

>>712984528 (OP)
Armor was heavily nerfed after DS1. Upgrading armor used to trivialize the game on NG, and it's clear Fromsoft treats Souls more like a Action-Adventure game reather than some RPG or Action-RPG like the retarded fans who never played a RPG in their life like to believe.

>>713005051
https://www.fromsoftware.jp/ww/detail.html?csm=097
https://www.fromsoftware.jp/ww/detail.html?csm=105
you're so fucking retarded it's not even funny

>>713004595
you use armour in DS2 retard, and I bet your character is a fat fuck too. Flynn's is a low level meta only because otherwise your zero poise ass is going to get raped by rapiers

>>713007041
>you use armour in DS2 retard
No I don't, I get behind the enemy back and attack while they fail to turn around.
I just put on some armor set for the Radahn larp, but my plan is not getting hit

>>712984528 (OP)
don't let them hit you retard

>>712984528 (OP)
>>put heavy upgraded armor
>>face same mob with same weapon
>>get interrupted out of attack and receive 900 damage
But enough about Dark Souls 3

>>713009076
filtered retard

>>712984693
It's redpilled because it only ever makes ugly troon abominations when you put a male character into it, and the game has no character recustomization.

I like all three games for different reasons because I'm not braindead.

>>713009528
Forgot to add that I also got extremely bad taste.

>>712984781
>DS3
>blocking works
lol
lmao even

>>713002768
skill issue

>>712984528 (OP)
>>face small mob with greathammer
Gee I dunno why you'd get interrupted and take 1000/900 damage

>>713009704
...and that DS3 is my favorite

>>713009914
>>713001320

>>712993429
Heide Knights are the equivalent of Banished Knights in ER, they're not small mobs

>>713010328
>is blocking even with a rollspam build
DS3 is not an rpg

>>713010328
>evades more than he blocks
>barely blocks a couple attacks
>still takes damage
>lost half the HP bar by the end of the webm
Knights are heavy armor, shield towering turtles. That was the case in every single prior game. If I want to be fast, I won't chose to play as a Knight. In DeS, DaS and DaS2 you had build variety, which changed your playstyle. As a light thief you might be great at parries and backstabs but die in a couple hits so you better be good at dodging. As a knight you might be slow and uncouth and do less damage, but you're a walking tank. Give and take, choice between a build being centered around skill or a build being centered around stats. Everything was fast in Bloodborne and Sekiro but that's fine because they're their own games, like how DMC ain't slow, it has its right to be. But then DaS3 comes around and takes that choice away in the wake of Bloodborne, not realizing that was a different IP; poise and unlimited enemy stamina meaning character class is useless and a playstyle's sole difference now iss whether you fight at a distance with magic or up close; and if the latter it doesn't matter if you're an assassin with dual daggers or a knight in full plate armor and shield, you can bet your ass you'll be rolling 25 times per battle in a minmax backstab roll spamfest against erratic flailing spastic swordsmen. You play as a dude supposed to be coated in heavy iron armor and five minutes later you're rolling 50 times during Gundyr. It's shit. So I should drop my shield and eat the second hit that’s coming immediately after? Again, all but the weakest enemies typically attack multiple times in a row and won’t be staggered by your shield. This can be mitigated by rolling but blocking will root you in place and force you to keep blocking or roll. And if you’re just going to roll why the fuck did you ever block at all? The playstyle choice if a truly towering knight, present since King's Field, is simply not there. The fantasy's gone.

>>712999960
1/0.75 = 1.33, so for long term survivability. If we have 15 estus flasks which are about half of your health in healing, then you have 8.5 hp total. 8.5 * 1.33 = 11.305 hp with that level of armor. (11.305-8.5)/0.5 = 5.61 extra estus flasks total. It would be the equivalent of having 20 estus flasks instead of 15 estus flasks in the long term.

>>713011724
and you need 30 estus flasks if you intend on tanking every hit.

>>713010969
git gud

>>713012374
I'll accept the concession

>>713010784
1. rollspam is not viable in DS3 because enemies rollcatch you
2. It's a 100 equip load build

>>713010784
A tiny medium shield shouldn't be enough to let you ignore rolling.

>>713012567
You can rollspam whether enemies roll catch you or not. That's the problem.

>>713012010
>tanking every hit
Fromsoft is pretty clear about the fact that they want you to roll big attacks and block/poise smaller attacks (unless you invest in greatshields). Their entire defense system works like that. Static damage decreases from armor like in DeS-DS1-DS2 are more effective on smaller attacks than big attacks relatively. Then, in BB-DS3-ER, they switched it to Armor being %, but passive Defense from leveling (or VIT investment in DS3, or STR investment in ER) being a % reduction that is higher when the attack is smaller, and lower when the attack is bigger. Basically transfering the value of diminishing the power of small attacks from armor to leveling (only poise makes a difference here).

This is how it works in DS3 :
>- If DEF >8x ATK, deal damage equal to 0.10 * ATK
>- If DEF >ATK, deal damage equal to (19.2/49 * (ATK/DEF-0.125)^ 2 +0.1) * ATK
>- If DEF >0.4x ATK, deal damage equal to (-0.4/3 * (ATK/DEF-2.5)^ 2 +0.7) * ATK
>- If DEF >0.125x ATK, deal damage equal to (-0.8/121 * (ATK/DEF-8)^ 2 +0.9) * ATK
>- If DEF <0.125x ATK, deal damage equal to 0.90 * ATK

Basically,
>Attack received is 10% of itself if DEF is 8x smaller than ATK
>Attack received is 40% of itself if DEF is = to ATK
>Attack received is 70% of itself if DEF is 2.5x bigger than ATK
>Attack received is 90% of itself if DEF is 8x bigger than ATK

It's why, for example, in the Chalice Dungeons, you have the fat guy with the saw doing pixels of damage to you, basically imperceptible, but the fat guy rolling on you kills you instantly. You're meant to tank things, and you're meant to roll things regardless of how tough you are.

>>713010969
>>evades more than he blocks
false
>>barely blocks a couple attacks
false
>>still takes damage
negligible
>>lost half the HP bar by the end of the webm
false

>>713012447
I accept yours

>>713012656
or I could just roll and ignore all that

>>713012810
Rolling lowers your dps.

>>713013040
are there any significant DPS checks or meaningful mechanics in these dogshit games?

>>712991159
I wanted to enjoy ds2 since I fucking love ds1 but all I got was massive disappointment

>>713013173
Play them and find out

>>713013378
I have, and found none except 4kids, and arguably smelter if you run out of life gems somehow

>>712991159
I like all of the games but Ds3 feels the most soulless. Ds2 may be shit in many ways but it has a lot of charm to it. Feels like the devs phoned in Ds3.

>>713013471
If you played these games, how can you call them dogshit?

>>712989218
Yeah I played the DeS demake recently and it pretty much felt like ds2 but good

>>713013607
How would I know they're dogshit if I didn't play them?

>>713010969
"Rollspam" is a term shitters use when they lack the ability to engage with enemies
All the webms I posted are at over 70% equip load and use shields extensively because in Dark Souls 3 you can be aggressive and overpower the enemyies and shields are very functional in that.
This isn't true in Dark Souls 2, which is why it is the only real "rollspam" game where the only valuable option is dodging the enemy

>>713013698
Holy shit you're bad at the game.

>>713001513
DS3 is the peak of the series and better than Elden Ring

>Lightning Ice Rapier +5
>Hexxer Hood
>Jester's Chest
>Engraved Gauntlets
>Sanctum Knight Leggings
>Ring of Blades +2
>Flynn's Ring
>Old Leo Ring
>Chloranthy Ring +2

Yeah...It's gaming time

>>713013541
DS3 is the most soulful actually
DS2 is terrible and has no charm, sorry

>>713013802
Elden ring IS DS3

>>713013698
this looks like shit

>>713013698
you can barely play the easiest entry...

>>712997643
Facetanking and unga bungaing and trading hits is actually exciting and fun unlike the tedious slog that ds2 combat offers

DS1 is the classic original
DS2 is the PvE game
DS3 is the PvP game

>>713013698
DS3 is the rollspam game. The entire game is built around it. Costs fuck all stamina unlike 1 and 2, most enemies have meth addict patterns, and armor barely makes a difference in how much damage you can take. Not true for 1 or 2.

>>713014170
Yea if you're bad at the game maybe.

>>713013920
>>713013791
>No argument
You will never be able to show Dark Souls 2 shields and armor effectively stop this much damage
Because Dark Souls 3 is an actual RPG and armor, shields and buffs actually work if you are not a sub 90 IQ monkey

>>713014430
>argument
bitch it's an observation

>>713013802
Lmao

>>712997521
Good luck using a shield with the smelter hammer kek

>>713014246
>DS3 is the rollspam game. The entire game is built around it.
False
>Costs fuck all stamina unlike 1 and 2
Also completely false, dodging always costed less than any other action in any game because it's an inherently passive move, doing that sets you up to committment, vulnerability and letting the enemy recover. You don't dodge more in Dark Souls 3 than Demon's Souls
>and armor barely makes a difference in how much damage you can take. Not true for 1 or 2
Completely wrong. It's in fact Dark Souls 2 where armor does nothing

theregs jeeproved thread

>>713001970
Just like your sister's cunt

>>713001696
>>713002883
This isn't trolling nigga this is just acting blatantly retarded

>>712993429
>Play like a retard
>Die
>WOOOOW DS2 SUCKS TANIMURA BAAAD
lmao

>>712984528 (OP)
>only ever played in discovery gear
>no death run in discovery gear
>no bonfires run in discovery gear
Do you even i-frames?

>>712989218
Demon's Souls controls well and even if armor is useless you can still manuver and space very well
For its age, Demon's Souls had quite aggressive enemy design, especially in world 4 and world 5
Dark Souls 2 missed the point with trash motion capture and clunky animations that even causes the AI NPCs to miss

>>713010325
...right after DS2 also I'm trans not sure if that matters

>>713014404
Care to explain instead of just trolling like a faggot?

>>713015235
False, no you.

>>713015530
Nigga kill urself ong

>>713015473
Standing infront of the boss like a retard tanking every hit instead of reacting to the boss is unskilled gameplay.
It's not complicated.

>>713014246
>DS3 is the rollspam game. The entire game is built around it.
I played Dark Souls 3 without dodging once. It's probably even easier than Dark Souls if you use Vordt great mace and curse greatshield, both of which are obtained in 30 minutes

>>713015610
Blocking a fucking Bat Demon laser ray with a shield that has a Dragon Crest is metal as fuck

>>713014993
Dark Souls 3's rolls are 15 stamina
Dark Souls 2's are 40
Dark Souls 1's are 25 at mid roll, 15 at fast roll
ER's are ... 12

Roll Souls 3

>>713015789
>Dark Souls 3's rolls are 15 stamina
What the fuck does that mean, ESL retard?

>>713015720
Yea? It still doesn't take skill, it's not that impressive to hold L2 during an attack.

I finished DS2 once 10 years ago and I remember hating it, but I'm willing to give it another chance now. What's a fun build to use?

>>713012656
So it was their way of making weak early mobs even weaker the more you level up? Weird way to solve an issue that wasn't even a real issue to begin with

>>713015957
That's the thing anon, you can go with whatever you want to, any build is viable in DaS 2.

>>713014993
stop posting your gameplay, its embarrassing

>>712984528 (OP)
>pegi 16
Yuck! Hate the euro boxes. Dark Souls II did feel like a eurojank trash heap though so fitting you would post the euro box.

>>713015957
Powerstance ceastus with stone ring and the heaviest armor you have

>>713015828
>What the fuck does that mean, ESL retard?
Means that you spend 15 points of the stamina bar.
Do you even have reading comprehension? no, have you even played the games?

>>713015913
>L2
It's L1, retard
>It doesn't take skill
It does. With the need to both balance stamina to attack and to block, you have to carefully raise and lower the shield with the precision of a deflection system, but without the safety net of cheating stamina with the correct timing (unless you use shield bash), so you have to move around the most telegraphed or heaviest attacks.
The end result is getting lots of staggers and actually finishing a boss fight in 2 minutes instead of 5

>>713016989
>It's L1, retard
It's been a while since I touched that button, I just press circle and ignore the rest of your post.

>>713016531
SOVLLESS
>>713014993
...
>>713013698
GIGASOVLLLLLLL

Anyways DaS2 is still leagues better

>>713015957
Giga STR. 70, 80, 99 depending
Rush Great Club in the Gutter. Or dual wield Cestus with the heaviest armor you can find, punching shit is amazing in this game especially if you master roll cancel punching
Get a respectable amount of poison arrows and poison knives, cheese the giants in Black Gulch to obtain the forgotten key for Havel's
The greatshield is stupidly fucking strong. You can jump attack the entire game to death. It pancakes everything and does a gorrillion damage.

Endgame goal is powerstancing Smelter Swords for the sick dual explosion which takes 60 STR.
99 for Smelter Hammers if you're insane. DaS2 has a ton of fun STR weapons. Red Iron Twinblade, FUGS, Drakekeeper Greataxe / Gyrm Greathammer

It's also obligatory you try out the Bone Fist

>>713016980
Of which game, retard? You realize Dark Souls 2 gains double the stamina per endurance, nor reduces drain based on using items? Each game has its own stamina bar

Stamina cost is not a valid balance parameter for dodging without aggressive enemy design to exploit its vulnerability

>>713016315
>any build is viable in DaS 2.
There're no builds in Dark Souls 2

I just want DS1 remade in UE5 and directed by Miyazaki…

>>713019416
so blight town can run in 12fps as intended?
kino

>>713015957
Powerstancing 2 spears.

Or go hardcore way and do 30k soul memory run hihihi

>>713010969
Holy based, I kneel

>>713014915
I never use the smelter hammer. I use only greathammers that give you an edge with low enough investment in stats. That way i can put stats into something else.
>Dragon Tooth(resists and damage)
>Old Knight Hammer(poise damage)
>Large Club(lowest stats needed to equip)
>Gyrm Great Hammer(reverse heavy attacks)

>>713010969
That's a lot of words to cry like a bitch about not being able to press L1 to ignore any and all game mechanics. Maybe you should try LARPing as someone who doesn't suck dick at video games, lol.

>>713019878
P.S. i never use DT with a shield b t w since the STR investment is too big, i use it only when going for twohanded builds so i don't have to fully invest into its stats.

>>713019416
>REMAKE REMAKE REMAKE REMAKER REMASTER REMAKE REMASTER REMASTER PLEASE GIVE ME UE5 SLOP
Slice your wrists while jumping off a window

>>712984693
>trannies get into a fucking coffin to sex change into an abomination
And you're trying to make it seem like like a tranny game?

>>712997521
>Every action game ever
>Design hyperarmor moves and moves that can let you deal with crowds
>rollslop
>forced to retreat until the enemies are scattered enough that they don't stunlock you to death
So much for """"""build variety""""""
Reminder that dark souls is the superior game for having a tank/hyperarmor build that works even god forbid against bosses

>>713001575
the only real valid criticism you brought so far is that parry often provides no actual reward unless you have an insanely fast weapon
its blatantly more of a higher risk alternative to rolling some boss attacks when you cant dodge them (no adp points) but it really should always net at least a slash

>>712997670
i spent lots of my time in ds2 blocking tons of attacks with a light shield and zero points in adp

>>712984693
Oh no no no bros I thought Baldur's Gate was a classic CRPG made for us 90 neckbeards? What does this mean?!

>>713021660
westfags are so gay

>>713021746
Weebfaggot don't you dare open your mouth. Nothing is gayer than jRPGs.

>>713021154
Did you play DS2? I am guessing you didn't since there are plenty of weapons that sweep. That's why i like using the Gyrm Great Hammer for example since you get to spin on your first attack instead of your second attack like other greathammers.

>>712984528 (OP)
isnt that ds3? thats what a large chunk of the player base complained about on release and they had to repeatedly specify that hyperarmour is the new poise now

>>713014993
>It's in fact Dark Souls 2 where armor does nothing
False, I managed to stack 900 magic def and took no magic damage. None at all. It was completely gamebreaking.

I finally understand souls game debates.

Game makes you feel wish fulfillment, which is exclusively defined by anime tropes and femininity, it is automatically a good game.
>Bloodborne
>Dark Souls 3
>Sekiro
>Elden Ring
>Elden Ring: Nightreign

Game makes you feel like a common bloke who stumbled into total bullshit and toiled to become great following a linear power curve, it's shit.
>Demon's Souls
>Dark Souls
>Dark Souls 2: Scholar of The First Sin

>>713022273
>I managed to stack 900 magic def and took no magic damage
I know how I will use my post work time now

>>713022889
dark souls 1's plot is literally YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE OF YORE though

troons and soulsbabies on full force, what is this 3 different threads in the catalog because you suck at best souls 2? Try the rapier if youre stuck dummy.

>>713021660
It does state that it is a cursed item.

>>713022889
>feel like a common bloke
thats what i love, hell yeah
i only play shitty games

>>713023125
I may be misremembering, but isn't that just some bullshit that's meant to push people into linking the fire? Oscar says, "thou who art Undead, art chosen," so all undead are 'chosen' to try and link the fire, you just happen to be the one that actually pulls it off.

>>713012656
Except in BB,DS3 and ER, they accounted for the passive defense the player gets from levelling, so they pumped up the damage of all enemies to counter act it and make the player's defense paper thin, especially in the late game areas and NG+ playthroughs. So now, defense works like a level requirement. If your level is too low for a certain area on base NG, you will get nuked, and if you return to a lower level area later on, you will be near invincible and thus see how stronger you became. This also means that armour has become pure fashion, since absorption stacks multiplicatively with other sources of absorption, so full havel's will at best save you from one more hit compared to a lightweight armour set that weighs 1/4 as much.

>>713001575
idg the point of this
you showed that staggering bosses let you get in a free attack and not take damage from the boss. If you were using a lighter weapon, you could've gotten more of a combo in. This isn't elden ring where stagger=3 free combos+a heal+a finisher move. You're either false flagging on purpose or you're too lost in the sauce, but please keep posting so we can laugh at your retardation even more.

>>712984528 (OP)
>worst easiest souls game
I'm not saying it's bad, it's just the worst in the bunch

>>713023125
It''s literally a gaslighting campaign conspired between a troon and a snake with bad breath and a big nose (jew)

>>713023272
troons have nothing to do with this. this game holds your hand so hard it's literally baby's first dark souls

dark souls 1>3>2. it's a fact not an opinion

>>713023125
The second half reminds you why you're insignificant by the snakes and the illusion.

>>713023849
2 jew snakes actually

>>713023849
>>713024042
Kingseeker Frampt and Darkstalker Kaathe

>>712984693
>>713021660
it's still funny to me. fucking jokes.

>>712987452
>>712997280
>>713000562
>>713001938
>>713013698
This game is so ugly man, it reminds me of seeing a game in pre-alpha where half the objects are just shapes acting like placeholders.

>>713022052
No, I got pissed off by gank squads in the castle before even reaching the first boss. played ~2 hours. I know the entrance to the last giant is somewhere over there so I got pretty close.
Regardless you shouldn't be locked out of a "tank 1 hit without getting animation cancelled) build with any weapon, if your game has a ton of ganks. It's an issue that should be solved with armor or a move available to every weapon. no exuses.
If you don't have a solution it becomes a strafing meme until only one enemy is in range so you can't get stunlocked. lame.

>>712984528 (OP)
>8 directional movement because B-team fucked up the analog stick deadzones

>>713027189
Actual skill issue.
>got drunk one evening
>decided to start a new character in dark souls 2
>see how far I could get without dying
>died to smelter after attempting to beat him with a +3 scimmy
>even did the risky skip in the room before on the first attempt
and I had a great time

>>712984528 (OP)
Fromsoftware isn't good at making game mechanics or tuning their math. To this very day, they never figured out how to do armor properly or how to implement defense in their games and currently for elden ring you're expected to use skills to get damage reduction as armor is basically cosmetic. Some special moves grant you hyper armor by default whether you're actually wearing armor or not, they just gave up and never bothered doing anything with it because they didn't want a repeat of dark souls 1 where you could poise and tank shit with good armor. Why did they neuter armor only to give you attacks and weapons that are 100x more busted and broken and easy mode? I don't know, maybe it's a japanese autism thing. They're just not good at making anything other than rollspam shit, really.

>>713028286
Other Japs figured how to make better games. Fromsoft might as well be a different race since this type of sloppiness is only seen in third world shitholes who attempt to make mobile games.

>>713018960
Git gud in your reading comprehension

>>713028286
heavy armor in Dark Souls 1 was so broken you could essentially ignore every single mechanic in the entire game and just stand still while tanking damage, chugging estus, and swinging any weapon in the entire game with hyper armor. It wasn't just viable, it was so laughably easy that it trivialized the entire game with almost nothing required in terms of investment due to the myriad ways you could raise equip load and the amount of tankiness it gave you

Meanwhile a heavy armor and strength build with a greatshield and guard counters - or dual heavies, grant you upwards of 60% total damage reduction passively while being able to easily stagger every boss in the game within a few hits and greatly strengthens the hyper armor of heavy weapons and not retarded shit like daggers and poise. Guess what? It's still the easiest fucking way to play Elden Ring too, much easier than DEX or anything else besides maybe magic spam. The only time heavy armor defensive strength builds have been remotely bad is in Dark Souls 3.

>>712984528 (OP)
You're just bad. ds2 is the only souls game that wants you to use everything.
>upgrade armor
>use defense spells
>use defense items
>use defense rings

Wala.

>>713030076
Literally the entire point of armor in every souls game is to let you comfortably block and use two-handed weapons. Miyazaki literally stole the gimmick from tactics ogre. Metafags just see 100% damage reduction on shields and immediately get noob trapped.

Newsflash: taking partial damage = taking partial stamina damage when blocking.

>>713028286
if thats true then why does it feel more satisfying than almost every other game?
I only played DS1 and DS2 so far but the numbers were always in a spot that kept the game satisfying, it was cool to be underleveled and it was cool to be overpowered after a few massive sudden upgrades. Not sure if it gets worse later but so far its pretty much the game i always wanted

I had just finished playing Dragons Dogma for example and the flat defense / damage of that game was such shit

>>713031660
forgot to mention
The average soulsclone is also a perfect example. They try to clone souls but the way they handle shit like
>poise
>upgrades
>damage taken
>healing power
just seems so poorly tuned
weapons feel so much more likely to be unsatisfyingly unbalanced, its not as likely to feel completely egregious in souls

Dark Souls II is shit though.

>>712984693
DS2 telling trannies to kill themselves is pretty fucking based. This is why DS2 is the best game in the series and why trannies seethe so much about it on /v/.