How come there's no indie OG GTA clone?
Was GTA irrelevant before it switched to 3D?

Retro City Rampage fits the bill, though its largely a parody game.

urban yeti

>>712994223 (OP)
>Was GTA irrelevant before it switched to 3D?
Yes

There's Retro City Rampage, but it's full of annoying Millennial writing and 80's references.

>>712994223 (OP)
There are plenty, but OK. Even polski ones.

>>712994223 (OP)
Normalfags won't even touch GTA 2 despite it being the best GTA (with Chinatown Wars being a close second). Nobody wants to touch the genre after hearing all the crying about the top down view.

https://youtu.be/ALicfH_CsJc?t=115

>>712994223 (OP)
GTA2 > GTA3
Maybe even better than Vice City. San Andreas is better than GTA2 though.

>>712994223 (OP)
Nigger, flash game sites used to be littered with top-down GTA clones. How old are you?

>>712994223 (OP)
The original GTA is so poorly designed that when you accelerate the cars, you don't have time to react to what's coming up ahead, simply because the cars are traveling at absurd speeds, but you can only see about 20 meters ahead.

>>712994223 (OP)
I mean, if you want an Indie GTA classic, I found this game like 3 weeks ago.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1482380/Maniac/

>>712995881
Yeah it's dumb because driving at very high speeds in built up areas is perfectly safe irl

Factorio.

>>712996121
As with gun safety, the first rule of urban motoring is to just have fun.

The pre-III games were mostly PC titles and PC wasn't all that big in the 90s. It was for rich kids, STEM majors and office workers.

>>712994223 (OP)
Rustler was pretty fun

>>712996121
You're just defending poor game design.
The camera in the original GTA would have been better even with the limitations of the engine and the computers/consoles of the time if they had conditioned the zoom to gameplay on foot/in a car, instead of relative speed on the screen.
So you get out of the car, the camera zooms in as far as it can. You get in the car, it zooms out at least 80%, and when you start driving, the rest of the 100% (which is still not enough to show enough for the player, bt theway). It doesn't work like that because it's a European game from the 1990s, and Europeans simply didn't know (and still largely don't know) how to make video games. While the Japanese went through a whole technical and philosophical evolution in arcades, Europeans were playing games made for office computers, and simply didn't have the know-how to design something truly functional.
GTA 1 in particular has a camera that is atrocious, it doesn't work in any way, and it's extremely annoying for the reasons I explained (speed VS zoom), and no one of the dev team noticed at the time because no one there knew how video games were supposed to work.

>>712994223 (OP)
Shakedown Hawaii is my favorite

>>712994618
>80's references.

Which are, like, totally radical 2 da max. How do you do, fellow teens?

>>712994223 (OP)
I liked 2 as a kid

>>712998154
No you didn't.

>>712998228
ok

>>712998228
2 is the best gta now go cry about it zoomlet also long way down

>>712997773
They fixed this in Chinatown wars. Instead of directly top down. They angle the camera a bit so when you get a car and accelerate it tilts the camera to show you more road ahead

>>712994869
an unknown pre-requisite to get into it would be having played micro machines or off-road/super off-road

ZAIBATSU DRIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT!!!

>>712999662
Incredibly based game

>>712998689
Chinatown wars is like the perfect GTA game, they should make more of them.

>>712994223 (OP)
GTA is like persona
Before 3 its just a niche boomer game most people don't acknowledge or care about

>>713000582
Best thing about ctw is the drug dealing but the gimmick minigames all suck and the game is also very fucking buggy.
The writing is also cringe inducing with it's cynicism. Its like a shitty adult swim cartoon. Buts thats kind of the appeal in the end.

>>713000523
we need that and The Baja to come back

>>712998689
>every version of Chinatown wars has different features that the others didn't have
>no new version that's a best of the three that's a downloadable XBLA tier game for the current platforms including the switch and its successor

Like what the actual fuck guys?

>>713001494
>Best thing about ctw is the drug dealing
Yep, no other dev will touch that though because of the crying about the top down shit.

>>712994223 (OP)
Before GTA moved to 3D, it was a shit series no one cared about.

>>713002747
But it was better before it was 3d, just another reason normalfags aren't human.

>>712999662
what does top down racer have to do with anything, they aren't particular popular anymore either.
check out Gene Ralley

>>712994223 (OP)
>Was GTA irrelevant before it switched to 3D?

I remember it being pretty popular when it came out, everyone was talking about it in school. But it was probably partly due to its "edginess", and that wore off by the time gta 2 released.

Good games though, someone should do that.

>>712994223 (OP)
>Was GTA irrelevant before it switched to 3D?
yes. it was demon souls tier

>>712995856
>flash game
?

just kidding, RIP

>>713004228
flashpoint was still live last time i checked

>>713002875
Maybe in contrarian land. The gameplay is ass.

>>712994223 (OP)
GTA1 sucked, GTA 2 was better, but it still had shitty limitations like only being able to save one time after completing a mission, and not being able to repeat rampages if you failed them.

>>712995881
I played it as a kid you motherfucker. Drive in your lane.

>>713004882
No, in human land, just go play your shit games you zoomers cry about here all the time. Nobody ever cried about GTA 2.

>>713005074
I don't cry about them at all, I don't even think about them. I'm just saying GTA 1 and 2 were trash and no one cares about them for a reason. I don't like modern rockstar games either btw.

>>712994223 (OP)
>Was GTA irrelevant before it switched to 3D?
Yes, obviously.

>>713005020
>only being able to save one time after completing a mission
nonsense, it just costs you 40k to save. the rampage thing is annoying as fuck doe and them missing from sa is a sin

>>713005163
>no one cares about them for a reason
The reason is zoomers aren't human

>>712994618
Streets of Rogue 2 is coming out at some point I guess. That's the only one I can think of.

>>713005651
eye cancer

>>713005845
please stop crying

>>713005902
i can't even start. my eyes are gone

>>713005845
Wait till you see the first game.

>>713006129
nah, that's just motion sickness incarnate

>>713006210
the video game is motion sickness in the flesh?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/490110/The_Precinct/

>>712994618
>>712994361
I thought I was going to enjoy it but yeah, the millenial "humor" is fucking bad. I dropped it after 10 minutes.

>>712994223 (OP)
>>712994618
I remember Retro City Rampage.
They must have fucked up when they banned at least one store because of an early release.
They released a sequel a while ago too, but seemed more concerned with releasing limited supplies of physical editions.

>>713006293
i meant gta1 and not streets of rougue 1, and yes in the flash

>>712994869
Can you still change to overhead views while driving in GTA IV and V?

>>713005651
That game is going to suck. The demo was so bad.

>>712995972
The other day I saw the Switch copy of this uploaded to a site I go to.

>>713003103
feel is basically the same. and you can actually drift smooth enough if you get to know the map abit. in gta 1 ,2 and London edition

>>713006620
GTA 3 was the last one which had the overhead view option.

>>712999662
I'm going to play with my MicroMachines now.

>>713001954
Rockstar will find a way to fuck up every GTA remaster and release.

>>713007063
Thanks, that's disappointing.

RCR is not as much of a gta clone as people think - the sort of sequel shakedown hawaii is much closer.

>>713003103
>>713007000
oh, and uh, those of us that played the top down racers didnt have much trouble getting used to the old Gta's. But like you said that style's gone out of fashion, so no one is used to it anymore

you're saying this>>713005651 is the sequel to>>713007395? those devs should end their lives, ffs

>>712994223 (OP)
My greatest wish would be a game with the scope of gta london or chinatown wars with some of the mechanics borrowed from the intravenous game series

>>713008045
The webm seems to be Retro City Rampage.

>>713008160
No, it isn't.

>>713001954
Rockstar does not give a shit about their legacy and their previous games. If CTW gets a rerelease it will be the laziest slop to ever exist done by a team of jeets and will need 20 bug fix patches before it's playable. They get their money from GTAOnline and soon GTA6. Everything else is tertiary. The games that made them a gaming juggernaut were GTA3/VC/SA and they outsourced those "remasters" to the lowest bidder, a team of mobile game devs and pajeets after sending DMCAs to all of the modding teams that love the games and were doing amazing things with the reverse engineered engines, when all they needed to do was hire them to do the remasters and they would have turned out perfectly. If you bought Grand Theft Auto The Trilogy The Definitive Edition you deserve the slop you received.

This actually looks fun.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1880610/Deliver_At_All_Costs/

>soulless normalfags try to revionism that 2d gta wasn't good

>>712999662
>>713003103
Damn, now I want to try to make my own racer.

>>713008224
>mfw the re3 team finished Vice City and were working on Liberty City Stories when they got shut down
>mfw we almost got a native port of LCS but publisher greed killed it because they wanted no competition for their demasters

>>713010778
can't have quality ports for free when you can charge money for pajeet garbage

>>713011109
The worst part is that now we get no port at all and the Stories games are still stuck on PS2 and PSP.

>>713011454
they're on mobile phones too

>>713013794
Wasn't aware of that but honestly that's just adding insult to injury.

>>712994223 (OP)
first and second gta largely sucked cock. controversy mixed with some laughs made up the difference.

>>712994223 (OP)
Wasn’t there that faithful GTA1 clone from around 2000 called Payback? IIRC it was for Amiga and Mac but I don’t think it ever came to Windows or mainstream consoles so it stayed pretty obscure.