Thread 713012520

Why is this company ran by retards?
>FF10 good
>FF10 - 2 not so much
>FF11 good
>FF12 is just a rip off of Star Wars
>FF13 trilogy is completely ass
>FF14 started out shit, became good, and then went back to shit
>FF15 was just a travesty altogether that mind broke Nomura to plant his original idea into Kingdom Hearts
>FF7R sucks
>Stranger of Paradise is good
>FF16 is alright
Who would do a better job at handling this IP?

Nintendo

>>713012589
>Nintendo

>>713012520 (OP)
Personally I blame the ff13 localization and Square's willingness to make 2 direct sequels going in radically different story directions as a response.
Fabula nova crystallis was a good idea. The fact that half its games turned into 15 and forespoken is a problem.

16 was really good. I just hope they incorporate more actual rpg elements now that they can written stories again

>>713012520 (OP)
SE is being sold to vultures right now and the funny thing is its going to be impossible to notice the change when it's in the hands of a new board of ancient retards who have no idea what they're doing beyond milking the saddest fans on earth who simply cannot walk away from any company who owns the rights to Cloud Strife.

>>713012589
Explain, please.

>>713012750
>willingness to make 2 sequels
many people speculated these were asset recycling to try to recoup losses for how poorly the game sold

>>713012768
pacing in 16 is utter dog shit and the story really shits the bed after Odin fight. it could be worse but the story is definitely not great

>>713012813
>SE is being sold to vultures right now
Source?

>>713012520 (OP)
3, 8 and 11 are the only good FF games

>>713013318
5 is more fun than 3.

>>713012520 (OP)
>FF16 is alright
opinion discarded
ff16 was worse than 15

>>713013318
>Not mentioning the kino that is FF4

>>713012520 (OP)
>>FF12 is just a rip off of Star Wars
>>FF13 trilogy is completely ass
>>FF14 started out shit, became good, and then went back to shit
>>FF15 was just a travesty altogether that mind broke Nomura to plant his original idea into Kingdom Hearts
>>FF7R sucks
you're retarded, keep watching youtube videos of series you've never played lil bro and keep parroting the same opinions
we know you don't know shit

>>713013416
>ff16 was worse than 15
Nah, it gets a bonus since it's Medieval fantasy again as well as playing similar to a hack n slash and I don't hold a button to attack like FF15 makes you do.

>>713013318
random turn order absolutely sucks ass

>>713013546
not random though. they are all based on a speed stat of some sort

>>713013429
4 us unironically one of the worst ffs, its far too overpraised.

>>713013429
Ff4 is a fucking snorefest after the timeskip

>>713013701
>4 us unironically one of the worst ffs

>>713013318
6 is SSS tier

>>713013318
3 8 10 11

>>713013776
Theres is jack shit for build variety and the story is ass. Just because it was first doesn't mqke it good, and its not even first.
Its final fantasy 2 2 but at least final fantasy 2 lets you build all the characters how you want.

>>713013865
intro way too boring

>>713013776
>>713013429
>All those cheap fake deaths
>Garbage overall story with "muh brainwashing"
>Braindead easy even by FF standards
FF4 fucking sucks

>>713013647
yeah and also lots of randomness + hidden modifiers that vary from enemy to enemy + equipment weight which is hidden + action weight which is hidden
i think ff3 is a cool game but unless you really know the formula and all the values it's just very annoying when the enemy goes last on one turn and then first on the next which does happen a lot

>>713014294
Disagree with almost every fiber of my being

>>713013776
the final boss is one of the worst in the series

>>713013318
3 and 8 have the best final dungeons

>>713014513
sorry I just don’t like movie games and never will

>>713012589
Nintendo? The company so retarded that they lost the chance to have FF7 as an exclusive because they preferred their stupid cartridges? That Nintendo?

>>713012520 (OP)
This is all due to Sakaguchi being a massive faggot and wanting to be a big name Hollywood director.

If he just knew his role and stayed in his lane, he wouldn't have almost bankrupted the company and force them to chase trends for the last 25 years.

The general consensus is that the last "good" Final Fantasy was 10. It's also the last one he was credited on. Coincidence?

Losing him as a creative director made the series lose sight of what made it good in the first place.

The first fucking single player entry after he left they give to fucking Matsuno (Tactics guy) who takes a fucking eternity on it because he's a fucking perfectionist, but throwing that much money at it for so long makes the executives start shitting themselves in a panic. They send the FFXI team to "help" and kick Matsuno out of the company for "health reasons" and give the reins to Kawazu (the SaGa guy). It's a wonder people like that game at all.

XIII and XIV 1.0 are a mess because they think that people just love cutting edge graphics and will buy anything gamed Final Fantasy (did they forget about The Spirits Within already?).

For XV they dust off one of Nomura's old unfinished turds and give it an open world (because everyone loves Skyrim right?), but forget to put anything in it and then make another fucking movie no one watched, so they had to patch in scenes from it so people knew what the fuck was happening.

Then they pull the A-team from the only successful project (FFXIV) to make XVI. A gamble to be sure, but then they decide to make Diet Caffeine-free DMC instead. They go after the streamer audience but fail by making the easiest fucking boring action game ever.

None of this would have (probably) happened if Sakaguchi was there to say "That's not a good idea" or "That's not what Final Fantasy is about" every now and then.

>>713014980
6 isn't a movie game you're thinking about 4.

>>713012520 (OP)
Because Final Fantasy's main advantage was that they could produce higher production values than anybody else. FF7 was one of the most expensive games made at the time.
Then when sixth gen technology gave everybody a massive leap in technology and better storage mediums, their advantages became democratized across the medium. Now something like Call of Duty has production values on par with their contemporary Final Fantasy games.

That just means the one thing they can fall back on is game design and they aren't very interested in that.

>>713014738
Necron says hi.

>>713014980
>Doesn't like movie games
>In the final fantasy thread

>>713013701
There's a reason it's popular in japan

>>713012520 (OP)
It's been shit since FFX

>>713012520 (OP)
VIIR is good actually:
https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2020/04/final-fantasy-vii-remake-review.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14332417/1/Everything-the-Final-Fantasy-VII-Remakes-improve-over-the-original

https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2025/03/lets-play-final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-1.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

>>713015190
This.

>>713015121
isn’t 6 the one with the magitek suits intro with like 2 hours of unskippable dialogue?

>>713012520 (OP)
Sakaguchi's envy was roused by VII and VIII being such massive successes. He wanted to take over the franchise with IX. Instead, he made a middling game while Kitase, Toriyama, Nomura, and Nojima made X into another classic. But at that point there was no stopping Sakaguchi. He turned XI into an MMO. He turned XII into an offline MMO. XI itself led to a loss of much talent (Brave Fencer team was dissolved for XI as an example.)
At that point, Sakaguchi's war for FF was over. The good audience stopped looking forward to FF games, as they were clearly not the same as they were in the golden age of VII, VIII, X.
In the meantime, MMO junkies began prostrating at NES and SNES games that they had never played. An effort to portray themselves as "legitimate."
This leads to the current situation, where the suits made another MMO and further compounded these issues. Everyone involved is to blame desu. The devs of VII, VIII, and X should not have acquiesced to Sakaguchi. They should have called him what he is: A hanger-on and hollow man. But this is one of the downfalls of Japanese society.

>>713015270
Don’t act like IX was actually good: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14012757/1/Everything-Wrong-with-Final-Fantasy-IX

https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2012/10/final-fantasy-ix-review.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

>>713012520 (OP)
>X-2 not good
Moron thread

>>713015289
The game isn’t even complete. Anyone praising it is a shill.

>>713015190
>>713015303
Necron looks cool
I see evil thing, I kill it. I don't care where it came from
>hurrrr what's the backstory
You're a faggot, go back to watching dark souls video essays

>>713015317
>sakaguchi
>XI, XII

>>713015317
XII and XVI are pretty good too. Based for dunking on IX though.

>>713015353
>here let me get what someone else said about it
you weren't even born back then zoomy

>>713015404
It may not be complete yet but everything is good so far and improves on the weaker parts of the original VII. People just throw a hissy fit about the whispers way too much.

>>713015427
based

>>713015312
>2 hours
more like 10 minutes

>>713015556
I was born in 1994, asshole.

>>713015289
>VIIR is good actually:
Why was that the only part you took issue with?

>>713015427
it would've been great as a superboss like Ozma, but not as a final boss that has nothing to with the story

>>713015673
That's the only one he played

>>713015632
yeah that’s too long to go without playing the game

>>713015404
God forbid anyone has great taste in video games

>>713014739
VIII, sure. Crystal Tower sucks.

>>713013318
I will give you 11, but SoP was great too. 11 still gave us best girl tho

>>713015851
Zidanebros.. not like this..

>>713012520 (OP)
the entire series has been lost since 13, they had no idea what to do anymore

>>713015851
kek

>>713015808
Yes, thus realizing FFVII OG was the only good game of the that universe.

>>713012520 (OP)
Rebirth is the best final fantasy game of the last 20 years and anybody who disagrees didnt play it

XVI is almost good, woth a couple of fatal flaws that hold it back. But it's on the right track.

I think one of the things that hurt its sales the most was that every single conversation I ever saw about FFXVI was comparing it to something else. Calling it Game of Thrones-lite in atmosphere and story presentation. God of War-lite in cinematic action RPG game. DMC clone in gameplay. That combined with the generic character designs because they wanted a more grounded story meant it had no identity of its own to stand on.

FFXVII just needs to come out with some flashy colorful characters that aren't the boring FFXV boy band or the boring traditional Fantasy Clive type, and some colorful Fantasy landscapes/set pieces, and I bet people would immediately show an interest again.

They don't need to go full Hoyoverse anime style or follow Sex Sells trends, but please for the love of God give me some characters designs that inspire a modicum of interest, and advertise that there's a party of exciting characters in your RPG, and I will buy day 1.

>>713012520 (OP)
>Why is this company ran by retards?
Why not?

>>713015774
I’ve played most of the FF games, but keep making assumptions about me.

>>713013318
fact bomb
truth nuke even

XII could use more character interactions. And delete Great Crystal from the game's files. Otherwise a good game, I would never say the Nes games are better than it.

>>713015975
I’m sorry but after seeing what they did to the moogles I shan’t be redeeming it

>>713015992
https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2023/06/final-fantasy-xvi-review.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

>>713015992
16s combat is fucking atrocious brainless skill cycling and its level design and side quests are clearly mmo inspired which was awful. Did you actually play it?

>>713016050
I'll give you that one

>>713016050
What did they do to the moogles? There were barely any moogles in the original VII BTW. Stop gaslighting.

>>713013501
Holy fuck you have some dogshit taste in games loooooooooooooooooooooooooooool and projecting on top of that. Just kill yourself, lil bro

>>713012520 (OP)
Monolithsoft but they already surpassed FF

>>713016167
I just can’t support Indian games, please understand

>16
No, they dont need to do anything like this garbage again. They need to go back to turn based and having parties with stats and equipment you can edit.

>>713015941
You mean the one where they try to casually whitewash the Turks dropping the sector 7 plate and killing a bunch of innocent civilians which the game never brings up again? Meanwhile the remakes actually repeatedly remind you that they are responsible for the Sector 7 atrocities and have them actually show remorse and humanize them. The same needs to be done to Beatrix in a IX remake.

>>713016016
>I’ve played most of the FF games
Which begs the question, why the focus on VIIR? You don't want assumptions made so maybe you could explain

>>713016318
That’s mostly how they looked in the OG VII in that Gold Saucer game. Also you are acting like other FF games didn’t tweak moogle designs from time to time.

>>713015071
>last "good" Final Fantasy was 10
10 was hyper-linear dogshit

>>713016517
Because you claimed that “it sucks”, and I am refuting you. What don’t you understand about that?

>>713016378
>>713016536
Could you tell us some things you think the OG did better than Remake? Or do you do this for literally anything people say they disliked about 7R?

>>713016113
XVI combat was fun and felt like it had good impact. But they obviously expected you to switch up your eikons as you got new stuff so you don't get stuck just doing one combo the whole game. If you spent the whole time just cycling one combo and not experimenting with different setups, that's a you problem. I DO think the "skill trees" were just a couple of pointless unlocks that could have been made free from the start and it would have made no difference. The total lack of meaningful RPG aspects of XVI us one of the fatal flaws just referenced before.
The side quests on their own merit were fine. There were some with actually decent writing and I didn't mind the Mid quests as much as a lot of other people bitched about. The MAIN problem with the side quests is that the themes and world building done in them were immediately repeated in the main story every single fucking time. Which made the side quests feel completely redundant. I'm convinced that whoever did the main story and whoever did the side quests were two separate teams that were both fed the same world building info for each area, and no one bothered to play test how it felt doing both of them at the same time. If the main story had just let the side quests take care of the "slow sections" of the story and let the world building happen outside of the primary cutscenes, it would have flowed so much better.

>>713012520 (OP)
at this point? atlus maybe.

>>713016609
So are most FF games. It’s a JRPG, dude. Better than Zelda TotK’s excessive open world with a really shitty story.

>>713016662
>remakes FFX with persona 5 UI

>>713016662
>low budget shit

>>713016636
Everything the OG did, the remakes just fixed and improved upon, this analysis is summing it up: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14332417/1/Everything-the-Final-Fantasy-VII-Remakes-improve-over-the-original

Also this: https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2025/03/lets-play-final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-1.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

>>713016759
>>713016838
people would play it tho.

>>713016662
>Fatlus
...you're not even wrong, Square is THAT incompetent.

>>713016636
By "play" he meant he watched them all on youtube and read a bunch of articles.

>>713016738
There are nonlinear JRPGs, and they're great.

>>713013318
>am I being contrarian enough to fit in yet

>>713016738
This. X will always be memorable because of the story, unlike totk

I recently decided to give 2 a fair shot because I didn't really when I was younger, and man, I had a fucking great time. I absolutely loved it. Then I went onto 3, which I loved when all we had was the fan translation NES patch and holy shit it was so much fun. Then I went onto 4, played for two hours, got bored, and went back to do another run of 3; just got the earth crystal again. 4 kind of does actually suck. After you play it once and know the story, there's really no reason to play it again. It's just a boring on-rails adventure you're just kind of there for. Anon who said there's no build variety is 100% right.

>>713016738
most ffs that i have played are somewhere in the middle between linear and open. ff10 is a line.

>>713016986
But aren't FF

>>713012520 (OP)
>FF16 is alright
Shut the fuck up, retard

>>713016659
the eikon battles sucked. they started out not so bad because clive has very few skills in the beginning but even by Odin you only get 2 abilities with ifrit. even clives builds are kind of limited because rising flames is op for clearing out big waves of trash (99% of fights) and dumping perfect titan blocks is one of the best ways to stagger bosses. I found bahamut to be completely useless because half of the hits from megaflare just straight up miss most targets. the important (+) side quests were good you can completely skip all the rest though and I highly recommend it. also the hunt marks don’t even spawn in until they make it to the board so no point in not rushing the story either. 16 is honestly kind of shit

>>713016050
You played 16 where Bahamut became a gay man, you have no standards, stop pretending

>>713017241
Dion was one of the better characters in FF but yeah unfortunately hes gay

>>713016998
he's almost correct, the only game missing is FFX

>>713012520 (OP)
How can they call it FINAL Fantasy when there are so many chapters?
>inb4 u r a faggot

>>713016659
>you spent the whole time just cycling one combo and not experimenting with different setups, that's a you problem
There is literally ONE combo in the game and ONE weapon. The only thing you unlock are special skills. Play the pile of shit that you're shilling

>>713017371
they arent chapters retard
kill yourself

Shut the hell up you bunch of retarded faggots

>>713012520 (OP)
>Who would do a better job at handling this IP?
unironically sakaguchi

>>713017521
dinkey dong: toddlers on parade is that way

>>713012904
For one, Nintendo doesn't delete the source code of their games as soon as they ship them.

>>713012520 (OP)
>Who would do a better job at handling this IP?
Me.

>>713012520 (OP)
This game killed the series.
It forced the XIII dev team to pad out releases with two no-budget sequels just to cover the costs for its failure.
Then because they didn't have anything lined up for a mainline title as a result of damage control for XIV - both with the XIII sequels and the rebranding into A Realm Reborn - they had to frankstein together Versus XIII into the next numbered game.
Shit's going south fast so they break the glass on the VII Remake which eats up even more resources that should be going to new games.
And the irony of all this is that the only ones that got off scot-free were the XIV dev team, the ones responsible for this whole mess, since they just started coasting off copying WoW and releasing the same exact two patches in alternating order for 10+ years.

>>713016517
>why focus on the only FF in the past 20+ years that's good
Because we discussed all the old ones to death already retard

16 is unironically a great direction for the series
i'd rather it be full action rather than that half shit they've been doing for years
though i think 7 rebirth has the best gameplay

I swear FF has an awful fanbase because many of the fans only like 2 or 3 specific games in the series and hate all the rest. I think VIIfags and VIfags are the worst in this regard: They’ll tell you their game is perfect and hate the others for not being an exact clone of it.

>>713017616
I dont get how anyone can like FF16 desu. It's literally a single player MMORPG.

>>713017643
tactics advance had the best gameplay imo and one of the best stories/cast

>>713012520 (OP)
Square Enix, except it's the team that was making Bravely Default and Octopath Traveler instead.

Give me a 3D FFT sequel instead of lazy remakes and keeping tactics games to handheld only you cowards.

>>713017874
thats actually a great one too, maybe they could do what resident evil does and give us multiple gameplay styles, though a new tactics game would be great as well

>>713017616
XIV is the only successful mainline game in a long time.

Can I get a QRD on the anon spamming links in the thread

>>713018127
He's a faggot

>>713017371
Can't remember who but it was some dev's final game at Square that he called it Final Fantasy.

>>713017438
I bet you're one of the idiot retards that complained about HP sponge enemies in FF7R because you only did the basic attacks and never used your ATB bars effectively.
Yes retard, the special skills you reference are what adapts the gameplay. If all you can do is mash X, go back to playing FFXV.

>>713012520 (OP)
>>FF10 good

>>713015045
yeah, that one. everything bad that happened to FF happened because they're chasing the graphics dragon like some drug addict, if they had stayed with cartridges and had to rein themselves in to fit on the smaller storage they wouldn't be having the issues they have today. there's a reason the only good games made by square this decade are the ones by team Asano.

>>713017984
I wish but they will probably still think turn based is dead even after metaphor, e33, and baldurs gate sales

>>713018281
It is

>>713018084
Yes, because its original launch was such a catastrophic failure that they had to pool all of their resources into making it good, gimping every other game in development at the time - including a supposed XV made by the XIII staff that just turned into XIII-2 and Versus XIII which actually became XV.

>>713013318
>Grind time waster the game is supposed to be good
>Its good game design that level ups are bad.

>>713016662
I can actually see it

>>713018250
ff1 is just as linear

>>713012520 (OP)
They've been going downhill since Sakaguchi left + post-merger with Enix made them far more complacent than usual.
XII, despite its flaws, was the last one with genuine SOVL, almost like a prototype precursor to Xenoblade in some ways. Everything thereafter is marred by a deluge of piss poor upper management, prolonged production cycles, and half-assed gameplay loops combined with abysmal storytelling. The past 10 years have seen numerous flops + financial underperformances from them, and their current stocks situation speaks volumes in and of itself. They've had it coming.

>>713018354
Let me guess.
Gaming sins?

>>713018276
>they wouldn't be having the issues they have today
It's also impossible to say what level of success the franchise would have had with that route.

>>713018225
This is an old wives tale propagated because it sounds fun. It was literally just Sakaguchi going for alliteration. The original game title was going to be Fighting Fantasy, but there were trademark issues with another property, so they went with Final Fantasy instead. It's literally just because he thought the alliteration sounded cool.

ff1 is ok
ff2 is ok
ff3 is ok
ff4 is ok
ff5 is good
ff6 is great
ff7 is amazing
ff8 is great
ff9 is good
ff10 is the best
ff11 is great
ff12 is good
ff13 is good
ff14 is ok
ff15 is good
ff7 remake is great
ff16 is good
ff7 rebirth is great

>>713018460
>Muh linearity is bad
Kek

>>713018512
>their current stocks situation speaks volumes in and of itself. They've had it coming.

you absolute fucking retard lmao

>>713017616
>This game killed the series.
That's not XIII nor even All The Bravest.

>>713018460
>eight directions you can go in the starter town
> vs 2 direction (left vs right)

>>713018603
Linearity isn't bad, in fact X is the best in the series, i was replying to >>713018250

>>713018512
>their current stocks situation speaks volumes in and of itself. They've had it coming.
They're literally at an all time high anon

>>713018276
To be fair, a lot of the series success came off the back of being the best looking game available at the time. FF7 with its 3D models and prerendered backgrounds was revolutionary at the time. FF8 had a bunch of cinematic stuff and had you pressing buttons during cut scenes to take part in them. FFX was the best looking game of its time and set new standards for voice acting across the industry. FFXIII despite all its flaws was a beautiful looking game and sold a lot being the next big graphics titan.

After that though Square's slow production cycle meant they really fell behind the competition.

>>713018567
>ff7 rebirth is great
Watch The Synthetic Man review. He perfectly explains why it's a woke pile of shit.

>>713015045
In retrospective sticking with cartridges was a bad idea, however at the moment:
>all CD-based consoles had been a massive flop
>the price of adding a CD player was too high
>CD loading times were higher
>cartridges allowed for extra chips to be added in the cartridge itself
>cartridges were harder to copy
They had reasons to avoid it. It was myopic, sure, but not a nonsensical decision.

>>713018512
The biggest flops of Square was the movie that was literally Sakaguchi's baby and FF14 1.0 which almost bankrupted the company.

FF16 and Rebirth underperformance is not anywhere near comparable to them. And desu, the company is doing fine. Have you actually looked at the stocks, or are you just parroting shit you've seen posted on /v/. Square is one of the healither big publishers. Its funny, because Sega is doing catastrophically worse yet you never hear about it here.

>>713018654
>>713018797
>using fake metrics when they're actually in the shitter
lol
lmao even

They should just collaborate with Team Ninja again but this time oversee visuals and optimization more and give the game higher budget. Strangers were amazing.

>>713018814
>synthetic man
this is such a piss poor bait i feel dirty for even responding.

>>713015353
>linking a russian Spoony

>>713018250
Its a good point of discussion
would you rather
a) A city layout that is somewhat reasonable, resulting in all the points of interest being scattered through out
Example: Suikoden 2
or
b) A city where you only have partial access and all the points of interest are right next to each other
Example: Half Minute Hero Super Mega Neo Climax 30

One is better for immersion, while the other is better for gameplay purposes

>>713018916
I liked strangers but the dlc difficulties brought the build variety in the game down tremendously and great classes like summoner and blue mage play like absolute dog shit. tons of room for improvement

>>713018814
>woke
>in an FF topic
Opinion unironically discarded. No one cares you culture war faggot.

>>713018892
>Sega is doing catastrophically worse
B-but Metaphor!
B-but Like a Dragon!
B-but Sonic Crossworlds!
B-but Persona!

>>713018906
two more weeks!

>>713019059
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize modern /v/ is just an extension of reddit these days.

>>713018396
And now it funds all their other flops.

>>713019140
Kamala lost.
Cope harder.

>>713012520 (OP)
Enix or Squaresoft

XII was a better game than X and IX

>>713018998
Big cities have the same problem as open worlds. If they're big with zero points of interest, then they're fucking awful. If there's actually things to interact with or do, then the immersion and gameplay that opens up is better.

I liked Xenoblade Chronicles with the NPCs that had timed schedules and moved around the town, so you actually felt like you gained familiarity with the town when you were running around doing quests.

If you're not gonna put effort in though, might as well just put three shops and the story NPC in a row and call it a day.

I wouldn't trust the Octopath team to make a Tactics game, they tried and was kind of ass

>>713019683
I wanted to try that game because the art looked great but the gameplay just seemed boring to watch

FF9 is not a perfect game, it is grindy, it has things you can miss and some convuleted mechanics but I love it.
It's my favourite game of all time, it's Sakaguchi's favourite FF game, it means so much to my family and me, the time we spent together playing this on Ps1, loving the world, the themes, the characters, replaying it over and over.
There hasn't been a game even close to my immense love for FF9. Exp 33 maybe, but there's my recency bias with that game I need to give it a year or two to see if it'll stand the test of time like FF9 does for me.

>>713019543
>If you're not gonna put effort in though, might as well just put three shops and the story NPC in a row and call it a day.
This is actually how Half Minute Hero works
Its just a single screen with every shop and NPC standing in a row

>>713017616
>It forced the XIII dev team to pad out releases with two no-budget sequels just to cover the costs for its failure.

Nope. What it actually did was force a new expansion into FFXI to keep that delicious sub money rolling in to fund yoshi-p's ARR project.

Without the XI neckbeards, XIV would have been mega-fucked.

>>713012520 (OP)
>>FF12 is just a rip off of Star Wars
Retard

>>713019428
XII is so trash re-releases come with a fast forward feature because it is so boring. The game plays itself and then dungeons are long boring, dull, samey... It's a trash game man.

>>713012520 (OP)
16 is the most infuriating one of all because if it was an RPG it actually would be a decent FF game.

>>713019774
Favorite character? Mine's Steiner

>>713018892
I was surprised too that despite all the doom and gloom by /v/ermins Square are actually doing better than ever financially.

>>713019783
>purposefully sabotage xi and lie to players to try to get them to play arr
smooth move yoshit piss

>tfw really like 16
>will never get a sequel
>10 got one
>13 got two
>15 got a bunch of spin off stuff like a movie, anime, beat em up and book

It's rough being a 16 fan.

>>713019783
Yeah, and XIV's hayday with Shadowbringers and Endwalker financed trash like XVI.

>>713019774
Agreed, most soulful game ever made. E33 was good but doesn't come close.

>>713012520 (OP)
aerith cute

The company lost its soul

The problem with Final Fantasy is that an anthology series like this cannot survive in the modern age of hyper IP consumerism.
Back in the day people were a lot more willing to bat for unproven ideas, but nowadays any game that isn't part of a larger franchise is essentially sent out to die.
What do you think this means for Final Fantasy, where each new game is basically a totally different universe that no one has any prior investment in? They flop HARD, so the series needs to rely on the familiar to keep you coming back.
Sequels and remakes for stuff you already like that's guaranteed to make you excited.
Why do you think 14 even became as successful as it did? Through its own merits? Hell no, it's because that game threw out all semblance of originality for a hodge-podge of the franchise's greatest hits.
It's not about the new ideas anymore, it's about the shit that makes you point at the screen and soiface because you recognize it from a previous game.

>>713020057
Yep. They even did a limited time deal where if you stayed subbed to XIV 1.0, they would perm reduce the sub fee for that game, and also temp reduce the sub fee to XI.

>>713018814
His review is like 1 hour long but from what I watched he actually liked it and only complained about the bloat. In comparison he only played E33 for like few hours and never touched it again and said he will not even make a review for it.

>>713020064
>>10 got one
and it was shit that ruined the story, if your game's story is finished, you don't need sequels

>>713019683
I liked Triangle Strategy's gameplay. The only problems was wordswordswords. Some of story sequences between gameplay sequences were longer than the gameplay sequences themselves, which is just poor balance for anyone that didn't sign up for a VN like Hundred Days or something similar.

>>713017006


The cringe laughing scene will always have a place in my heart.

>>713012520 (OP)
How is FF12 a Star Wars ripoff? The only things they have in common are being set on a "desert planet" and having a "rogue" party member with a furry friend

>>713020165
I remember the rumor was that there would be no more content for 11 when arr dropped and that potentially the xi servers would only stay up for a few more years. square never addressed those rumors and it caused a lot of people to leave xi

>>713020016
People have quickly forgotten of how incredibly poorly Square Enix was during 2013/2014. What we've seen in recent years is nothing by comparison. Though things clearly do need to improve for them in the coming years.

>>713019920
Steiner's character arc is amazing, I don't think I have a favourite though I really love them all and couldn't imagine the party without any of them (except for Amarant).

>>713020483
I guess
>Hook up with an old master
>Hook up with a pirate and his furry life mate who talks funny
>Save a princess
>Kill an empire
like, real surface level similarities

>>713018814
No Mr Soros I'm not interested in your shitty culture and race war
>>713018970
Real

>>713020141
Games like Ex33 and Stellar Blade prove this wrong btw. All you need is a good hook and strong word of mouth, and people will try out your game. And then if it's actually good, word of mouth will continue to sell your game.

FF needs a new game that isn't plagued by doomsayers and whining crybabies because it wasn't turn based or because they didn't want a gritty Gane of Thrones Fantasy aesthetic. Just give a colorful looking new game that the fanbase sounds excited for, and it will sell well.

The question is whether or not the FF fanbase is too far poisoned that no matter what quality game they release, the pre-release discourse is always going to be controversial.

>>713018127
FFVIIR has its own Barry

>>713019774
A man of taste

>>713019774
9 was clearly inspired by Ghibli and it was my perfect childhood game.

>>713020064
16 is finished conceptually, it needs no sequels and no followups. The only shitty thing is that we'll never ger an official clarification about Clive's fate.

>>713020613
The original plan was for Abyssea to be the swan song for XI. It was finally upping the level cap, adding lots of nice powerful gear in some brand new content. This was when Square THOUGHT that XIV was essentially going to replace it.

When it dropped and everyone saw how utter dog shit it was, they panicked and shat out Seekers of Adoulin aka the laziest expansion I've ever played. Ever since then, square realized that they can keep XI going with a few junior devs and some senior PO. That's why the game was re-tailored to allow for solo play for most of the content.

>>713020818
>ex33
>word of mouth
you guys have really got to stop with this one. they had a prime slot at Xbox games showcase in 2024 and other games shows. people were aware of this game for a long time.

>>713020818
E33 and Stellar Blade are both built on a counter culture movement that Final Fantasy can never hope to be a part of, being one of the games that's the most ingrained in the culture of vidya as we know it.
Half of the people selling you on E33 will literally do so while putting down Final Fantasy.

>>713020483
Xure he ment its like that xbox star wars gaem which came around teh saem time

>>713021124
I dont know if you just don't know what word of mouth means, or what. I'm not saying Ex33 was some grassroots operation that sprang up out of nowhere. I just mean that a lot of people were expressing positive interest, and that turned into positive marketing and sales.

If people excited about game before release > if people are dooming about game before release.

Super simple concept.

>>713018567
>ff2 is ok
>ff13 is good
bro I genuinely enjoy both of these games but we all know this isn't true

>>713020818
>The question is whether or not the FF fanbase is too far poisoned that no matter what quality game they release
Very divided for sure, that's part of the issue of making FF a varied franchise over time. No matter the route they pick, it alienates a portion of fanbase since everyone has their preferences for different titles. You'd think remakes are then a safe bet, but even there they take strange risks and divide further.

>>713020818
I think one of their problems is that they are trying to "modernize" the series but it doesn't really resonate well. They kinda tried with 15, but I didn't really enjoy the combat that much and the game just felt like they're trying to distance themselves from FF, and then you have the mess that is 16 with their retarded choice of gutting every RPG aspect possible. What's the point? I can play watered down action adventures at any time, slapping FF on it just doesn't really draw me towards it. 7R might be good, I've seen people say they like the combat, but I won't give a fuck until the game is actually complete which is probably something a bunch of people might be thinking too.
Honestly after writing all of this shit up the whole brand is just fucking mismanaged outside of maybe gachashit that's apparently pretty profitable given how they keep shitting it out.

>>713012520 (OP)
FFXVI proved they have no idea what theyre doing

>>713020141
People don't want to admit it but it's true.
Look at the way Dragon Quest has evolved - you get to a point in XI where you'll be lucky to even hear a single song that isn't from a previous game.

>>713021985
Unfortunate to say but I agree, they took the formula for FF14 copied it but gave it a new paint job to spruce up the graphics and cinematics.
The game plays like a single player version of FF14 even the big spectacle boss fights are ff14 raids.

Should I play ff15 and ff16? I have played 4,6,7,8,9,10,12 (dropped), 13, 7 remake, 7 rebirth and crisis core (psp ver)

>>713022258
Where is the new DQ anyway? Wasn't that supposed to be taking some gameplay risks as well instead of traditional turn based like it's always been?

>>713018892


FF7R and XIV saved the company hence they're doing well.

>>713022371
If you play 15, completely ignore all the open world shit and just go straight through the story. The game is a fucking mess but I guess it has some cool spectacles to experience.

16 is fine. Just lower your expectations that its a simple action game and not a big RPG, and enjoy Cid and the campy villains. That's when its at its best.

>>713022371
Why not. The other games don't really matter either since both 15 and 16 might as well be different games using the same terminology.

>>713022371
just watch all the cutscenes for 16 unless you can get it for $10 then play it but don’t get the dlc and don’t do any of the side quests. seriously the game gives you great equipment for free and you have enough crafting materials to make a new weapon after every boss you kill. there is literally no point in doing anything in the game that isn’t the story

>>713022969
also forgot to add you can’t play hard mode until you beat the game and half of the main story quests are filler. I’m not even grinding and by the time I unlock hunt marks I kill them in less than 2 minutes and bosses aren’t hard at all.

>>713013318
I'd call you retarded but I could never dunk on a IIIbro. I'll allow it.

>>713015190
Necron gets a pass from me on the BGM alone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IXijnKO8Ow
holy fuark

>>713020879
Yeah, he's called BA7RY

>>713015071
I love my nigga Sakaguchi but you do know he put Matsuno on XII, right
matter of fact I'm pretty sure I've read one of the reasons Matsuno threw a shitfit was because of the Gooch leaving SE

>>713024504
the beginning until 1:20 is the best part

>>713013318
I think you might be the only human to like these 3 games all at once. I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m just saying you’re weird.

12 is good

>>713013318
>8
you are on meth

>>713022474
7R didn't do shit

>>713026249
8 was fucking dogshit. Stop being a little bitch and start questioning your nostalgia.

>>713013318
FF2 is the best FF game

>>713013318
My man, I am the most edgy, style over substance, gullible fucker on this entire board and not even *I* think that.

>>713012520 (OP)
about 3 FF is a star wars rip offs

>>713016609
so is smt3
so is all the personas
fucking most rpgs is a linear
pokemon is the same beat for beat shit

I just want a smaller scale FF6 remake with FF7R gameplay, is that really that Square? Just small cell shading graphics like Wind Waker, because you CAN do that, right?

>>713018250
this is so fucking stupid

Can we get an offline XI already?

I want to play it, but I'm never subscribing to an MMO.

They did it with Dragon Quest X so don't act like its impossible.

>>713012589
nintendo has never made a good RPG

>>713020064
what happens when your shitty dmc rip off sells 3mil

>>713020064
Maybe it should have tried being an RPG instead of a shitty action game.

>>713028687
Dragon quest 10 aint out til it has a translation, and I KNOW that its translation would be hot dogshit, but thats still the case.

>>713012520 (OP)
bring back sonyjapan have them help some random nip team to make a real rpg, english theatre VA, sexy women and a 7/10 story and your fine

>10-2 not good
This is how you know that someone is retarded and their opinion has no value.

>>713013318
Rinoa >>>>>>>>>> Tifa anyday.

>>713028769
Golden Sun you fucking nigger.

>>713028769
If you don't count Xenoblade as that's Monolith then yeah

>>713019683
Triangle Strategy was fun and I'd honestly consider worth playing even if you skip every cutscene and just flip a coin or roll a die for every decision (or just go with the flow) [or just look up the Golden Route].
It's a solid strategy game.

>>713028769
true

>>713029225
X has the perfect ending
>What if we ruin that for no reason
kek

>>713029389
That's camelot soft, not nintendo.

>>713012520 (OP)
15 mogged 16

>>713015317
Good headcanon. VII, VIII and X are only good because Sakaguchi had the final word in everything.
Kitase, Toriyam, Nomura and Yoshi-P are all talentless hacks that should never have the last input in anything.

>>713029603
Still published by Nintendo and, therefore, a Nintendo game.
Cope.

>>713029648
In everything but gameplay? Yeah.
However, gameplay is the only thing that matters so 16 is a better game.

>>713028769 (You)
>What is SMRPG
>What is M&L
>What is PM64

>>713029868
>>What is SMRPG
Babby's first JRPG.
>>What is M&L
A dead franchise.
>>What is PM64
A franchise that started out fine, but ended up getting worse over the past decade.

>>713029868
>SMRPG
made by Square
>M&L
only BIS is good, also made by Alphadream
>PM64
trash.

>>713029225
if you cared about X just the feel of x-2 would rub you the wrong way also its shit

>>713012520 (OP)
>FF16 is alright
FF16 is fucking dog shit. 15 is much better.

>>713012520 (OP)
>Stranger of Paradise is good
Chaos

Series fell off after FF7.

>>713029961
1.So like FFVI and VII? And Chrono Trigger?
2. Like half of Square's IPs?
3. Like Final Fantasy?

>>713030646
X*

>>713030682
truthke

>>713030682
>whataboutisms
No wonder you voted Left.

>>713024509
That's good

>>713012520 (OP)
>>FF12 is just a rip off of Star Wars
When will this retarded meme end. People who say this have only played or remember the first 2 hours.

>ship design similar to Star Wars
>angle shots when ships are shooting
>Balthier/Fran duo reminiscent of Han Solo/Chewbacca
>there's an Empire

... Aaaand that's it. Wow! A total of 5% of the plot / world.

>>713018512
>XII, despite its flaws, was the last one with genuine SOVL
I legitimately don't understand why people act like XII isn't a good game and part of the golden FF era. Sure, it's not as peak as X but it's still a pretty damn good game. The brand only start taking a hit during the XIII era and then XV on release brought the double whammy.

>>713029797
>Cope you chud!
>Proceeds to post actual cope
Why are tendies like this?

>>713012520 (OP)
>Who would do a better job at handling this IP?
Me and a team with a budget

>>713015045
>Nintendo? The company so retarded that they lost the chance to have FF7 as an exclusive because they preferred their stupid cartridges? That Nintendo?

Nintendo mogged Square the moment they abandoned the system. Pokemon instantly BTFO FF7. Square who were pantomiming as "Sony 1st party" just 5 years later had to beg to release games on GBA because PS2 development was too expensive for them to reliably profit from.

>>713024609
Apparently Matsuno hated working on a mainline FF game since it was a democracy(designed by committee?) instead a dictatorship.

>>713032170
I doubt they even played the game.

>>713032575
>tendies
>t. seething s0nygger with Nintendo Derangement Syndrome
fuck off

>>713034524
>If you don't support my overlords you must be a snoyer!!!
lol @ your corporate loyalty. Keep glazing that corpo dick.

>>713012520 (OP)
>FF12 is just a ripoff of Star Wars
The series has took massive Star Wars inspiration from the beginning bro. How many FF games are about an evil empire?

>>713033781
If Nintendo had switched to discs back then, Sony might not have even become a competitor

>>713012520 (OP)
>FF10 - 2 not so much
Filtered

>>713015587
>People just throw a hissy fit about the whispers way too much.
I want you to seriously tell me this video is anything less than fully retarded.

>>713033781
>because PS2 development was too expensive for them to reliably profit from.
They also suffered a major blow to their financials from The Spirits Within being a major box office flop and needed to recoup profits elsewhere, but go off.

>>713012520 (OP)
Final Fantasy isn't a company, sir.

>>713018276
>everything bad that happened to FF happened because they're chasing the graphics dragon like some drug addict
FF has cared immensely about its visual and cinematic presentation pretty much since the SNES days. Even FF3 is probably the best looking NES RPG. Spectacle is inherently a part of the series' identity.

>>713035475
I played remake to see the characters of FFVII but not looking like logo blocks, and I got that. There's nothing they could add that I'd call bad as long as I get to spend more time with the characters. You keep complaining, I'll keep enjoying no matter what.

>>713012768
>Now that they can written stories again

>>713013318
3 and 11 are the two worst games. 8 is great, underrated, misunderstood, and underappreciated.

I don't know what the correlation between why someone would like those specific games though being that they're probably just three random controversial choices, so I'm gonna assume you're just trolling. They don't share a common thread. Even a gameplayfag would like 5 more and hate VIII, a difficulty fag would also hate VIII, and a storyfag wouldn't like 3 or XI. Perplexing.

>>713036515
>They don't share a common thread.
NTA, but the have a throughline of kids. (Onion Kids, tarutaru and VIII concerns itself with child soldier orphans and their decisively teenage melodrama.)

10-great
12-ok
13-good
13-2 ...
LR good
15 ok
16 great
Remake- ok
Rebirth - great

>>713028769
Yeah they haven't, they made 5+ good RPG franchises

>>713013318
This except 8, 10 and 11.

>>713016609
Truthfully, walking around in a cave to find out it's a dead end with a treasure chest of a potion or weapon you just bought and now have to fight more random battles cause you have to backtrack is just as bad.

>>713018654
This is when I work for them

>>713018892
>movie that was literally Sakaguchi's baby
That's also cause they made a studio in Hawaii for whatever reason to make that movie at

>>713019774
Best music in the series

>>713013318
6, 7, and Tactics (the best) are great, you're a fucking retard.

>>713028769
Bullshit