Thread 713018796

>One of the best examples of "git gud" from Fromsoft
>No cheesy builds, summons, or magic
>Glorious Nippon setting and atmosphere
>Did everything people on here said they want in a game, yet it's probably one of the least liked Soulsborne games sans DS2

This is why they don't listen to us, we don't know what we want.

>>713018796 (OP)
>No cheesy builds,
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

fire crackers and air ichimonji spam

>>713018796 (OP)
just remove everything fun and all replay value, am I rite?

>>713019001
Ok now you are out of spirit emblems

>No cheesy builds
that's how you tell you haven't played the game without telling you haven't played the game

>>713018796 (OP)
>two optional hard modes
>replayable boss fights
>free DLC
wow this sucks where's dark ringborne 5

Liked Bloodborne and Armored Core more

>>713018796 (OP)
How come I can only use one weapon in the entire game?

>>713018796 (OP)
/v/'s main talent is looking up a build online

>>713018796 (OP)
There is still plenty of cheese, like how you can instakill the Demon of Hatred.

I do
Fuck staminashit

>>713019001
I don't use Ichimonji because it doesn't look cool. The movement looks too simple and robotic and boring. I'm more of a High Monk kind of guy.

>>713018796 (OP)
It's boring
>one weapon
>skills suck
>prosthetics suck
>wanna use that cool move that you like so much? well fuck it, no more emblems lol xD
>game is a rhythm game where the main mechanic, parrying, isn't even satisfying
>the whole game consists of you just doing chip damage and running around to get to a point where the boss' posture meter won't sink immediately
>health is now at an acceptable level
>proceed with what you have been doing up until now and what you will be doing for the rest of the game, parry

>>713019164

Obviously. I'd rather use a shit build I figured out myself than just copy some other build that other people said was good.

>>713019013

That's what people wanted and complained about? I agree after I bet Sekiro I had zero desire to play it again, mainly because it was a SLOG to get through.

>>713019110

Bloodborne gets liked because it was a bit easier than the mainline DS games and had faster combat. They never made a sequel to it even though it would sell a shit ton because I guess the developers know its flaws and don't want to expose them. Hence why when Kai played it he just rushed through it because he didn't like it as much as Elden Ring.

>>713019150

Why would you WANT to use anything other than a katana? Even in DS and ER I use some type of katana or japanese-inspired weapon when possible.

It is universally liked

>No cheesy builds, summons, or magic
Farming for divine confetti in Ashina Castle and getting like 60 of them is pretty op for how the game is.

>>713018796 (OP)
The problem is that Sekiro had too little freedom despite having some of the best boss fights.

Then you have Elden Ring that's such a fucking mess balance wise that it's impossible to understand what the developers even truly intended

>>713018796 (OP)
The fact that Sekiro often gets called the hardest Fromsoft game specifically because you can't completely cheese it with summons or your build tells you just how many people beat the other games by searching "most OP _____ builds" on YouTube.

>>713019939
>Then you have Elden Ring that's such a fucking mess balance wise
No it's not

>>713019912
Seems like something you found online, why would you farm divine confetti? It's only good against apparitions

>>713018796 (OP)
We know what we want and it's not fucking Sekiro. The RPG elements, the exploration, and the awe inspiring settings are the best parts of their games. These are the parts Sekiro is dogshit in. "Le gitgud prepare2die xDD" and retrying the boss over and over until you can do it with your eyes closed, are the worst. It's not even getting good, you're not building up an adaptable skillset, it's just for that one enemy. You're memorizing the 5 movements a boss has, something a fucking monkey could do in time. It's just tedious bullshit.

>>713018796 (OP)
Absolutely godawful design and balancing of anything that is not an r1, deflect and mikiri. Terrible balance of prosthetics, even worse design of combat arts, all made even worse by the fact Spirit Emblems exist. All issues are even worse if you're doing charmless + bell demon, it exposes just how little thought went into balancing of everything and most prosthetics lose any combat supplement role beyond being glorified hard counters for 2-3 enemies.
Very linear level design. Not even grappling hook saves it, most levels are excessively straightforward and grappling hook points are very controlled everywhere except for late game Ashina Castle.
Terrible rewards for exploration. No, i don't need another 10 ceramic shards for finding a well-hidden nook. This feeds another issue - a bad design of consumables in general, with tons of blatantly useless shit with only a few exceptions.
Broken, easily abusable stealth. Thanks to stealth sugar you can go around on a massive genocide spree and enemy AI is too retarded to notice anything.

>>713020126
Remember, it was also the one before Elden Ring where journos were the most vocal in wanting an easy mode. Embarassing crybabies, the whole lot of them.

>>713018796 (OP)
>>No cheesy builds
bro your mortal sword slash or whatever it's called?

>>713019169


That's more of a glitch that I think they patched in newer installments/releases of the game.

>>713019082

I mean you can spam the firecrackers and power ups but it's not like you can have some ridiculous bleed build that kills bosses in 3 hits.

>>713019847

Everything Fromsoft makes is liked but a LOT of people online disliked it and its kind of seen as the bastard child. All I'll say is for what the game has, it is underappreciated.

>>713019939

Because it is concentrated. They made an action game with Soulsborne elements, it isn't an RPG like Dark Souls is. I think the reason some dislike it is because they look at it as another soulsborne and not its own thing.

>>713018796 (OP)
>yet it's probably one of the least liked Soulsborne games sans DS2
>Sitting at 95% All Reviews on Steam
>Higher reviews than DS1-3 on Steam, including both DS1 releases
>Higher than Elden Ring
>Higher than Nightreign
Myopic since it's Steam only, but people loved Sekino little nigga and the reviews show it. The only group I know that actively dislikes it are lorefag secondaries that dislike the story being told in a more traditional style instead of a grabbag of item descriptions
https://store.steampowered.com/app/814380/Sekiro_Shadows_Die_Twice__GOTY_Edition/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/211420/DARK_SOULS_Prepare_To_Die_Edition/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/570940/DARK_SOULS_REMASTERED/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/236430/DARK_SOULS_II/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/374320/DARK_SOULS_III/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1245620/ELDEN_RING/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2622380/ELDEN_RING_NIGHTREIGN/

>>713020865
>That's more of a glitch that I think they patched in newer installments/releases of the game.
Nope, still works. It's not doable for the Reflection/Gauntlet versions of the fight.
They did patched out the whole game skip glitch where you go out of bounds in the arena of the Guardian Ape.

>>713019001
>aerial Ichimonji
>when aerial Mortal Blade exists
Although this one is a legitimate bug, the damage is almost the same as full-charge Enchanced MB

>>713018796 (OP)
>yet it's probably one of the least liked Soulsborne games sans DS2
most people like ds2 althoughbeitever
also sekiro is not soulslike, you fucking idiot

>>713020953


If Bloodborne was on Steam they'd give it a 99%. Like I said it gets good reviews because it was a good GAME, but it definitely gets a lot of hate that is unearned.

>>713020983

Fair enough! I guess they left it in because it's a very difficult boss fight and they wanted to leave the option open of bypassing it.

>>713020719

Yup which is why they love Elden Ring. When the game came out the Moonveil Katana was basically "easy mode"

ichimonji bonk go BRRRRRRR

>>713019754
I know, it's fun :)

>>713018796 (OP)
>yet it's probably one of the least liked Soulsborne games sans DS2
It won GOTY

>>713020865
I dislike it because it's shit
It's shit at being a Souls game and shit at what it sets out to do
>>713019939
The irony of saying this shit when balance in Sekiro is possibly the worst of any From game since 2011 and in Elden Ring every build and tool is viable and satisfying to use

>>713022557
>It's shit at being a Souls game
least retarded rollslopper

>>713019169
Demon Of Hatred isn't that hard actually. He's just fucking tedious to fight since he's practically a Soul boss with large HP bar and hits like a truck. Ever since I beat Laurence in Bloodborne, I learn to play with patience since I know some bosses are designed to punish greedy players.

i really enjoyed Sekiro but i don't think it's the hardest fromsoft. To me this will either Dark Souls or Elden Ring Shadow of the erdtree

>>713022557
This
Sekiro sucks because it's an action game where doing anything but L1 and R1 sucks

>>713023513


People say this but there are a lot of other options. You can also play aggressively which is what I did. you die more but it's more fun to play

>>713022557

It definitely has the least replay value of those games but it was fun while playing. Had the most interesting boss fights.

>>713023094

Correct but when there are a lot of bosses in the game you can beat in less than a few minutes if you know what you're doing, it can be challenging.

>>713023382
Yeah Shadow they deliberately made it difficult because people complained about vanilla ER being too easy because they all use OP builds. Original Dark Souls is hard but a lot of that is that you can permanently aggro NPCs and completely ruin quest lines.

I don’t like it because no create a character and no equipment, but sure keep pretending all of /v/ has one opinion that you need to be contrarian about DS2 schizo

>>713022557
>>713023513
You and all other retards like you haven't played the game or you have such an advanced souls brainrot that there's no helping you.
Prosthetics and combat arts are tools with specific use cases, not "I win" buttons like ER ashes; if you cannot figure out when it's beneficial to use them that's on you.
And emblems are there so you cannot spam Sparking Axe/Mortal Blade forever eliminating all threat from enemies.

>>713018796 (OP)
I know what I want, and it's not Sekiro.

>>713018796 (OP)
This and ac6 are my favourite from games. Very fun

>>713019754
>doesn't like it because you can't use a different weapon
opinion instantly invalidated, life forfeit, you are retarded and autistic, kill yourself

>>713018796 (OP)
Hate being stuck with parry katana.
Even fucking Metal Gear revengeance gave you a spear staff and double knives and a rocket launcher.

>>713018796 (OP)
It's fun but I dislike the katana-only playstyle. I wish you could use some trick weapons as your main weapon instead like the axe or spear but that goes against the quick nature of the combat which is probably ok I guess.

>>713019803
Even when I use a katana in elden ring I'm using two swords.

Nioh 2 mogs this trash and DS1 continues to be From's only magnum opus.

>>713025357
Nioh did realistic samurai ninja build variety correctly.

>Soulsborne
Mega retard.

>>713025357
Nioh 3 soon

>>713025357
trvth nvke
Nioh2>Nioh>Lies of P>DaS1>Rise of Ronin>>>>>Demon's>Sekiro>ER>DaS2=DaS3=BB

>>713024632
>You don't get it, prosthetics are good because they are gimmicky trash you use 3 times in the whole game
I played the game more than you did, it's the most overrated Fromsoftware game

>>713026916
Woah I'd rather play bloodborne and dark souls 3 than demons souls.

I will stand by that Sekiro and RE4 (Professional NG) are the best 3D action games ever.

>>713020674
Finally someone does a good breakdown on why Sekiro is so overrated.

>>713026916
How good is ronin, upgrading pc and will give it a go but I've heard mixed stuff. Especially around the combat system which is what I'm really interested in. Loved nioh and stranger of paradise

>>713018796 (OP)
It's just parry spam man. There isn't anything else to the combat besides that. It's an improvement over the basic Souls slop combat but it has no depth and doesn't make up for the loss of build variety.

>>713027216
It's a fun version of GoT with actual choices but don't go in expecting Nioh.

>Extremely large upgrade paths for a tool that uses a consumable that's hard to keep stocked on.
ok...

>>713027372
>It's an improvement over the basic Souls slop
No it's not
Retards that say this don't understand Souls combat

>>713027417
Thanks. I found got to be incredibly shit specifically because of the combat. Shame because the game is gorgeous. Ronin and wo long are my next to play from team ninja slop catalog. Can't wait for nioh 3

>>713025152
Katana is kino. I don't even want to use anything else desu

>>713025357

I really liked Nioh 1 and beat it, tried playing Nioh 2 but couldn't get into it for some reason.

>>713026916

Lies of Pi is overhated even though its a modern version of Bloodborne you can actually play on your PC.

>>713027057

It's just dated and they didn't bother to upgrade the mechanics of the game when it was ported to PS5 because you aspies would screatch on here

>>713027157

RE4 is amazing. I'm not even a huge RE fan but 4 will always be that series magnum opus

>>713026916
Only good ranking of them all
Neowiz and Team Ninja = 4chan
Fromslop= Reddit and Resetera

>extremely polarized opinion
Why is /v/ like this? No one who actually plays games and is intellectually honest will call something completely perfect or garbage. As far as games go Sekiro is not perfect, but it's also not trash.

>>713027883
It's just 4chan

>>713027883
Some people get addicted to it because it genuinely feels good despite its flaws.
Some people like it because it's hard and by liking a hard game they inflate their own self worth.
Some people don't like it because it's more frustrating and repetitive than it is fun.

>>713018796 (OP)
I just defeated the divine dragon and I still havent "gotten gud" yet. for every boss fight I have used stealth kill whenever possible, cheesy prosthetic/mortal blade spam, and hit and run tactics.

>>713027883
Fromsoft game threads were way better before Dark Souls came out (can't believe it's been 14 years jesus). Popularity of games kills thread quality as vocal undesirables latch onto them.

>>713028331
you can beat the game and not feel like you've "gotten good" because you've only "gotten lucky". People who say the game "clicked" for them just mean they finally beat a hard boss after 3 hours, not that they could replicate that success with any degree of consistency.

>>713020567
just beat the game and it had a lot of exploration and awe inspiring settings. and none of the bosses took a lot of tries, either.

Sekiro is the easiest game I've ever played my entire life. Beaten every boss without ever seeing the "you died" screen or losing a life. Wasn't even paying attention either.

>>713028458
Old Fromsoft threads died within 6 replies.

>>713028331
Jesus that's painful. I remember not gitting gud and feeling like the game was a slog. Then I learned that you can kind of keep clicking the block button try and get a parry and it doesn't damage you like Dark Souls does, that made the game way easier and faster to git gud at since you can now confidently try and learn parry timing with virtually no failure penalization though you may have to occasionally go and recover stamina or whatever it's called.

>>713028463
This isn’t even remotely true. If you choose not to cheese Genichiro that is where you learn the game and it “clicks.” You will immediately go from beating him once out of a ton of attempts to beating him easily. I haven’t played the game in a couple years, and I’m confident I could open the boss rush menu and beat him now. This is also proven in the final boss fight’s first stage.

didnt think anyone was that bad except for demon of hatred and gaurdian ape. and for whatever reason the fucking first seven spears first. mostly because Im too retarded to see if its a thrust or sweep quickly enough.

>die to chained ogre at least 25 times
>oh boy here we go
>nothing else in the game is as hard as the second miniboss until maybe the very end game

wtf fromsoft

>get gifted a modern laptop
>no GPU at all, integrated graphics
>32 GB ram tho
>can run sekiro high settings flawless

you think I can do elden ring too or should I not get my hopes up?

>>713029458
Yeah the first boss in the game for me, the butterfly lady can't remember her name, was the hardest and took the longest to defeat. Then after completing the game and going back to try her again, she was one of the easiest bosses. If it was simply just about memorizing the pattern then I would've still had at least a medium difficult time coming back to her, but it was piss easy.

>>713020470
>>713022557
Elden Ring absolutely is terribly balanced

>>713030196
Elden Ring is tougher to run. You might be able to play it, but no way of telling without knowing your exact apu.

>>713030196
Potentially. It's more demanding on cpu

>>713028712

Hence why they were "good"

>>713028660

I've beaten the game without my controller plugged in, and I wasn't even BORN yet

>>713018796 (OP)
make a shit nioh
look guys its good

>>713022557
see a shit nioh

Is there anyone in here who has beaten Sekiro and unironically thinks it's a difficult game? I mean genuine people, not someone who wants to bait

ill play this when they remaster it and upgrade the graphics. game actually looks like shit

>>713018796 (OP)
>yet it's probably one of the least liked Soulsborne games sans DS2
For the last fucking tine, Sekiro isnt soulsborne

>>713034328
it's not difficult to get to the credits on the default settings but there are difficult things in the game for sure

>>713034328
Sekiro is a hard game for most people. I thought it was relatively easy but that's not true for the regular population. Most people are journo level retards at games. Some of these retards choose to beat a game no matter how long it takes. So of course the answer to the question is yes, and honestly you might be baiting to imply that there couldn't possibly exist people who both beat it and thought it was hard.

>>713034328
I think it's difficult. Why do you make these dogshit posts knowing full well people were shitting their pants over Butterfly having a second phase in the threads right after launch?

>>713036261
>regular population
why do you look down on other people
99% of humanity can beat sekiro it is no great feat

>can roll perfectly in souls
>can't deflect or parry for the life of me
I dont know it just never "clicked". I thought regenerating healthbar was too frustrating and unfair

>>713018796 (OP)
>yet it's probably one of the least liked Soulsborne games
i'm sorry anon, but your retardation is terminal.

>>713034328
There's a mental condition where some gamers beat something and immediately call it easy no matter how many tries, hours and days it took them.

>>713019276
the simplicity is why its cool. powerful

>>713018796 (OP)
people want a game they can cheese and say wow i beat this super hard game

>soulsfags complaining about "one weapon"
kek
go play monster hunter games before world before you speak about weapon variety

>>713018796 (OP)
>Soulsborne game
IT'S NOT A FUCKING SOULSBORNE YOU RETARDED FUCKING GIGA NIGGER I'M SO TIRED OF YOU MORONS PERPETUATING THIS RETARDED SHIT