Thread 713035664

How are you enjoying it? Which new weapon are you using?

>>713035664 (OP)
Why is the Door Guardian faggot giga nerfed

>>713035664 (OP)
The gunblade is the most fun of the new weapons and very strong.Those charge r2s specifically

>>713035664 (OP)
i'm at chapter 4 so far only the first chapter was good everything else feels like content that was cut from the base game. very mid dlc.

>>713035664 (OP)
weirdly enough, i just wasn't feeling the game as much on my NG+ playthrough and i'd still need a few more chapters to get to where i can access the DLC. i'm sure i will at some point, but for now i ended up buying Khazan instead. was in the mood for something a bit faster paced.

>>713035664 (OP)
Beat it last week - it was great. Gonna try to beat Nameless Puppet on Difficulty 5 before uninstalling the game for a while most likely
Gunblade is probably my favorite weapon of any Souls game ever - the moveset is pure sex
>fast r1
>long range r2 that knocks you back
>follow up r2 can close the distance instantly
>r1 into non-charged r2 is fast and strong
>the r2 propelling shot can hit enemies behind you (https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Flitter.catbox.moe%2Fylohy1tklpghpe6l.mp4)
>fable art to increase all r2 damage, including fatal attacks
>sound design is pure sexo
10/10 weapon, excited for the Dorothy game

>>713036054
I like the Talons, have yet to try the gunblade

>>713035664 (OP)
Still Holy Ark Sword since I don't know of anything else that's motivity and better. Plus it took awhile to get used to it. I tried the giant metal spear plunger thing from chapter 1 but its damage was mid. I'm considering trying the gunblade too just for fun though.

Just beat the game for the first time and still don't get why everybody hates Gepetto. Any good lore videos to check out for this?

>>713039193
Depends on which ending you get how much you know. He basically uses everyone though.

>>713039193
>neglects son after his wife dies
>son dies
>turns soms body into a puppet
>ises sons body to kill his best friend and mentor
>starts the puppet frenzy to try to bring son back to life but under his full comtrol
Pretty simple reasons to hate him

>>713039193
Not surprised a boondocks image is followed with a retarded post

>>713039193
Read the ingame lore nigger

>>713041505
She got lucky with the ergo stuff

>>713035664 (OP)
i liked it very much, pale knight

>>713039193
did you skip all the dialogue and cutscenes?

>>713042806
Yes, I didnt read a single line of dialogue. Why does everyone hate Gepetto??

>>713035664 (OP)
It was really underwhelming, people comparing it to shadow of the erdtree are delusional

>>713035664 (OP)
Just cleared it. I hate Gepetto even more now. That last weapon is pure anime nonsense and I love it.

>>713044078
It was good, a step up from the base game which is all you can really expect. I cant imagine why a fan would be disappointed by it

>>713043170
He got lost in a whale like Jonah and it only spit him out after 3 days and nights, and then he made his super powered puppet-son kill the whale and harvest its blood to become ergo.

>>713035664 (OP)
I beat it and yeah, it was good. The claws and bow were my favorite new weapons. I really like the sprinting R2 on the claws where you drag them on the ground briefly.

Where should I meet Rosaura after the lighthouse?

>>713035664 (OP)
i wanted to play this game but its sixty fuckin bucks????

When should I use cranks
How do I do a technique+advance build. It's confusing. Do I use an advance scaling handle with a non status head, or a technique handle with a status weapon, like the booster handle + electric coil head. are cranks infinite and should I be using them

Which hair /v/?

>>713048169
krat central square in the base game after u beat the dlc

Finally beat Arlecchino. It took me 9 hours of attempts on NG+5 (Legendary Stalker difficulty) without Lea's help. I ended up getting my winning attempt with Frozen Feast. It's slow, but there are plenty of opportunities to get very good hits in. It's my favorite weapon and I'm happy I was able to get it to work despite the boss' speed and aggression. I would say he's definitely harder than pre-nerf Consort Radahn, and probably the hardest soulslike boss I've fought

>>713048549
short grey hair with the alchemist's glasses is sexo

>>713048283
It's very mid, not even worth the pirate

>>713049006
thanks, saved me

>>713048778
Why do you like Frozen feast so much

Finally beat Arlecchino. It took me 30 mins with Lea and pic related.
Why did you retards say this was hard again?

>>713049538
You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference.

So no trolling, why is it that this game is called mid while Bloodborne is called a "masterpiece" even though this game sets out to improve on all the original aspects of Bloodborne with modern features.

>>713049723
The game gave me those tools, why shouldn't I use them?

If you want a challenge why don't you beat Arlecchino without leveling up once and with a default not upgraded weapon?

At what point does it become "cheating"?

>>713048778
mirin
I remember anons saying he was harder than Radahn, and after how annoying that fight was, I was in no hurry to try to do this without Lea.

>>713049893
u turned on auto parry and got help via a summon. u ruined your own experience and money

>>713050006
and wasted your money*

I forgot how much padding was in the alchemist island, holy fuck it sucks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATwllYk1_tM&list=RDATwllYk1_tM&start_radio=1
this honestly may be one of the best final boss themes of any souls game

>>713050006
It isn't a normal summon it is part of the plot
Bet you used a grindstone too

>tfw using gunblade and shotgun arm against the black rabbit brotherhood
holy rape

arlecchino was hyped up too much here and underwhelming desu

>>713050259
>t. used Lea's help and the auto parry grindstone while fighting on the easy difficulty

>>713050154
Most games in this genre suck at the end

>>713049723
>Using tools the game gave you (which is limited) and a story companion is "cheating"
Oh man you're soooo cool bro for not using Lea, I bet you beat Bayle without that NPC either and did Radahn festival with its gimmick either. You must be drowning in puss

>>713050185
no I didnt use a grindstone. I learned how to parry his moveset myself. Learning the boss moveset aka overcoming the challenge by working for it is where most of the fun comes from in a game

>>713050154
alchemist island and lorenzini arcade are the two major things stopping me from starting another ng+ run

>>713050171
kinda jarbled ai choral music, anon, but i appreciate the taste

>>713049723
Most people buying this are playing on easy mode too, let it go

>>713050513
> I learned how to parry his moveset myself. Learning the boss moveset aka overcoming the challenge by working for it is where most of the fun comes from in a game
And you don't do this with Lea? I beat the boss using her help, and had to learn his moveset just as much. Its clearly designed with Lea in mind, you doing a challenge run doesn't mean people who beat the game normally didn't beat it at all.

I fucking hate Rosa Isabella street what am I supposed to do against these fucking bomb throwing guys protected by twenty thousand ranged and flamethrowers while a boss rushes me

>>713050171
I kind of wish that it was the tick tocking in the beginning, I feel like that would have been anxiety fuel

Hilarious shit.

>>713051040
Run past them all, there is bongire behind the boss
Use it and refight him in that zone instead

when are they updating the ost? lisrim and the clear blue sky is legit kino-tier tracks

>>713051073
Why does he delay 80% of his attacks?

>>713035664 (OP)
I saw there's a gunblade and I picked up this game hoping there was a gunblade. But apparently it's from an endgame DLC boss which is disappointing since I won't be able to play the game with it.

>>713051040
Use the throwable gears to lure the flamethrower guys. The fat fuck will slowly waddle his way over to you, so don't feel like you have to approach.

>>713050963
>had to learn his moveset just as much
That's bullshit and you know it

>>713048549
default

>>713050513
all im saying is half of the bosses in the dlc were harder than him, he is overhyped
the auto parry grindstone didnt do shit for them

>>713051496
go to nexusmods then pick up the all weapons save file, play the whole game with the gunblade
wala

>>713048549
Donkey mask

Did anyone lose their bonus costumes when the DLC came out?
My Wo Long and Christmas outfits disappeared after the update and still haven't come back
PS5 version

>>713039193
If you can't understand why an absentee father who wanted to revive his son to literally control him and never understood anything about his kid is hated you are a lost cause. He literally made P to collect emotions and ergo so he could transfer him into his real sons corpse and control him. He only realized his own flaw when he was dying and saw P cry over him, he realized his mistake that late in the game.

>>713048549
long white

would

>>713048778
I like how Arlecchino didn't really seem upset losing to P and didn't take any of it personally. I think he is going to return in the future as a patches type NPC

>>713052417
Also on ps5, they're still there, i got several dlc equipment pieces and they weren't anywhere to be seen, then i checked the storage... it seems the game has a limited amount of space for almost everything, so maybe go check it

>>713052770
>*attacks forever*

>>713054829
>TIME TO EXIT MY STAGE!

>>713054829
He actually extends his combos if you try to heal anywhere near him and he gets more dodge resets in his first form's 2nd half of his life.

You just need to back off at least 3 body lengths to heal but I have no idea what triggers his dodge reset which makes it seems like he swings forever, I just burst him down when he is in that mode.

>>713052770
bad guy gotta get drip

Arlecchino's first phase is harder to parry than his second

>>713035664 (OP)
I finally beat the DLC final boss solo.
I had beaten it once with Lea, but fucker still took me like 4 hours solo.
In the end, ol' reliable took him down. Love the DLC.
I'm on NG+ now to get the golden records.

Dorothy bros, what gimmicks is she gonna have? Pino has lies and a modded prosthetic limb.

My favorite weapon is the Pale Knight, but I'm a shitter so I needed something that could block better.

>>713057104
wishes?

The dual Fatal attack was some good shit.

>>713057104
None. You play as Tinman.

Dorothy will be the level up girl.

>>713057658
doesn't it do like 5% damage?

>>713057772
That would be kino but I would hate it regardless. I want to play as her.

>>713057838
Yeah, it did fuckall in terms of damage, but I was doing piddly damage anyways. I think my fully charged R2s were doing like 1400 or something.

>>713057772
wait was it announced you play as tinman?

>>713058870
yea

>get al pakino down to quite literally 1 hp on my first try
>choke and die
this dlc is tight, really enjoying ataclysm and pale knight desu

>>713048549
Hate long hair so default haircut, grey hair for alchemist costume.

Tapping Normal attack>Charge attack is to good with the gunblade for mid range combat. The first swing will hit nothing but the explosion will hit beyond the range of the first swing while backstepping you away. It's basically a safe poke.

>>713057867
>play as dorothy
thats one way to lose most of the fanbase, only the vocal minority on discord are the female players, the same fatties who cosplay and grift merch, most of the fan base are regular soulslike fans who are mostly guys

>>713057104
Multi character swapping like Genshin/Zenless/WuWa or she's a summoner for Tinman, Lion and Strawman.

>>713060014
It would work if she had big booba. The koreans might as well at this point.

>no hit first phase
>die to the grab on the second

>>713062540
Time to exit his stage

>>713052770
Why do his pants have 3 tiers of buttons?

You know what, this wasn't fun. Perhaps we've crossed the point where all this this annoying difficulty isn't enjoyable anymore. Sekiro was the peak of this genre perhaps.

>>713065136
Skill issue

>stand still
>parrying becomes easier
What the fuck

>>713065136
No you are right ignore the skill issue troll posters, they are slop loving shills that want radahn fights 24/7 and never understood why Demon's Souls was popular to begin with. As someone that played Demon's Souls on launch day on the PS3 I can tell you the experience I crave wasn't OMG HARD ANIME BOSS FIGHTS. It was the level design, the punishment from dying you lost half your health. The atmosphere. Level design has taken a backseat completely and Lies of P doesn't have anything of note in level design worth a shit. The Zoo is arguably the only good one in the DLC and in the base game I would say MAYBE Chapter 5 and 6. But that's being generous. Level design has taken a backseat compared to boss rushing hard mode shit and I think all these devs including FROM themselves have completely lost the plot. Playerbases that worship impossible anime fights are just as much of a problem.

>>713065180
The soulsfag is immunized against against all dangers.

>>713049487
Massive damage, staggers things often (can even stunlock a lot of elite enemies by spamming charged heavy) and I like the attacking speed/stone layer breaking gimmick it has. I hope it returns in the sequel

>>713065368
shut up gramp
souls like is our genre now

>just finished the base game
>kill manus and nameless puppet in a couple of tries each
>hardest bosses were the monster pope and the green swamp thing
huh?
is this normal?

>>713052419
>>713039193
i think you're kinda glossing over him ordering omnicide to all of the puppets.
you know, a few hundred thousand deaths, no big deal

How do I get this item in Vegnini's factory?

>>713065653
Nevermind, I walked all around the factory like five times and somehow missed the doorway right there.

>>713065368
Exactly. The appeal of demon souls and dark souls was about the atmosphere of the strange land where you encountered tough enemies that could be beaten with strategy exploring. Tough but fair fights to players who are paying attention. Sekiro took the action aspect and perfected it: if you mastered the mechanics, you could fight any enemy. It was the reason they didn't allow coop, it would detract from the experience. It was fair. But what is fair about enemies with 20-chained attacks that never stop unless parried mixed with terrain attacks, all the while your character will nearly stagger with a single hit. That's just hard for the sake of being hard, there's nothing to learn. You don't feel accomplished because you feel like you were just overleved or you got lucky and the boss wasn't so aggressive in that run. And good that you mentioned level design because Lies of P has the worst of all souls games--just corridors of enemies to kill that sometimes are arranged in a way to make it as annoying as possible.
If they don't revert from this trend, and I don't think they will, I might not be returning for the sequel.

I CAN'T FUCKING BEAT MARKIONNA
>>713065519
Laxasia and Green Swamp Thing were easily the hardest bosses for me in the base game. I think NP and Manus have too little HP because I was shredding through them with a +5 Two Dragons.

Best outfit

>>713066824
>I think NP and Manus have too little HP
this, i felt like they had less HP than most other previous bosses.
all of their attacks were also very well telegraphed and didn't even do that much damage and i found myself parrying them a lot

NP especially i just facetanked the fuck out

>>713066824
>I CAN'T FUCKING BEAT MARKIONNA
Ignore the puppet. Acid is strong against her. When the wire turns red prepare to dodge.

Do the boss memories actually scale with NG+?

>>713067654
No. Difficulty 5 will whoop your ass without NG++ p organs

>>713048513
bump..
the stats with the whole weapon creation thing confuses me.

>>713068185
Cranks are limited but there are like a dozen of each, each NG cycle.
You can only tilt the handle in certain directions, you cannot combine handles and Advance is a straight buff but does nothing to improve weapon heads that has no elemental damage.

>>713049723
Sounds like you cheated yourself out of having fun and are upset others didn't do the same. Yeah, yeah, you have "satisfaction" of having beaten a self-imposed challenge that will not help or improve your skills in anyway on any other fight in any other game or in any circumstance in your life. Way to go. Loser.

>>713048513
It's better to use the same crank that's the highest scaling on the weapon.

>>713035790
Huh? This was the easiest boss in this DLC, just a regular big guy with slow and well telegraphed attacks.

I loved all the bosses but only 3 of the 5 levels were good.

I would not be mad, if P returns in the sequel as the MC or at least in the tin man role.

Markiona owes me sex

>>713069565
i hope he does, sorta grown attached to him nos considering how well they adapted the pinnochio story, i think they are more than capable of integrating these fairy tales into this world theyve put together

Lies of peak

>beat arlechinko on boss rematch level 1
Did I beat the game or is that easier than NG?

>>713072003
Level 2 is more or less equal to base game.

>>713072089
fuuuckkkkkk

I can fuck up his first form via parrying but his super attack on his 2nd form kills all my health and stamina and gives me no chance to even learn 2nd form.

finally managed to kill that bitch Veronique yesterday
i had to resort to gimmick tactics to beat her, i used that rocket launcher weapon and been running away from her stupid combos that i couldn't learn how to parry, and used Aegis arm
i have mixed feelings about the DLC so far to be honest, but i love that fucking weapon man

>>713072165
>his super attack on his 2nd form kills all my health and stamina
Wait for him to load up all the skulls, they start firing start running. We he runs out, and decides to fling himself at you; dodge don't parry. Then run as far away as you can. When he starts swinging in midair with his blades, you can out run that.

>>713072432
When he runs out*

>>713065136
yes i agree with that
game is generally fun, but once i get to the boss i only feel frustration
delayed attacks, infinite combos, and bosses' attacks fucking teleporting to you from other end of the room after you ran away from them, it's just not fun

>>713072863
Figuring out the puzzles that are the bosses is the fun part, stop being a little bitch for fucks sake.

>>713035664 (OP)
I just beat the big ass Gator. The bow weapon is kinda crazy.

>>713035664 (OP)
The Clear Blue Sky is Overture's Feel

>>713057658
Its kino

>>713069565
>P was the tinman all along
I'd love that

>>713072176
You used the tools the game gave to you, you did well anon

>want to play DLC right away
>my only save is at the beginning of the game on NG+
Should i just grab a save file on Nexus?

Scrapped watchman remains one of my favorite bosses, its such a simple fight but something about it makes it fun

>>713057104
Gravity Rush gameplay, she's gonna turn the series into a proper action game

>>713068642
He said door guardian, not the relic guardian

is it true you can see his nose growing in the shadow close to the hotel stargazer? I uninstalled it after beating the NG+ with the DLC.

Can anyone give me the QRD on the DLC story? What was the relevance of it all and did the devs feel like giving Carlo a sexy older sister? At the end did Geppeto turn her into a puppet too?

Am I supposed to dodge Arlechinno's laser claw attacks in his 2nd phase?

>spent 6 hours trying to beat lv2 arlechino on ng+ boss rematch
>still can't beat him
yeah I beat the game

>>713035790
For some reason people complained about him A LOT in the base game even though he was an obvious gimmick fight with extremely telegraphed and slow attacks. Apparently people were vocal enough that they had to make him retard proof.
Reading shit like comments on fextralife and YT made me realize how absolutely dogshit most people are at souls games. And I'll admit that most of them can be wonky at times and have their fair share of bullshit moments/bosses, Lies of P included, but people will complain about absolutely anything. It's like they play these games because they want the "clout" that comes with beating a hard game, but then when they face the slightest challenge they start crying about how the game is bad or broken or the devs don't understand difficulty or whatever.

>>713078123
It's funny I can read him like a book during his phase 1 but the phase 2 him feels way too spastic and unpredictable

>>713078292
His beginning super attack is like a 25-50% chance I die even trying to run away and dodge, and have to do the shit all over again. So it's hard for me to learn the boss when I have to fight the 1st phase again. And just when I think things are going alright, he does the insta kill grab.

>>713078537
>His beginning super attack
When he starts to summon skulls fix your weapons and after he does the super landing attack just dodge and keep running until he does the final red attack again.

I actually did it bros, I actually beat him this time :')

>>713079215
>items
Doesn't COOOOOOOOOUNT

>>713078537
>His beginning super attack is like a 25-50% chance I die
in order to dodge the skull projectiles thingy, go as far away from him as you can then sprint sideways, then parry two times for his ground slam, then you can just spam your L1 for his aoe attack bursts, as for the flurry attacks after that it comes down to muscle memory I'm afraid
>>713079310
NYOOOO

>>713079558
It's the his wooshy sword attack afterwards that gets me, can I outrun that shit or should I dodgeroll in a certain direction.

>>713060014
If people didnt have a prblem playing as twink chalomet it should be fine.

>>713079682
When he's flying in air slashing? You can out run those

>>713079763
Should I lock on while running away?

just got to Two Faced Overseer
motherfucker is so tanky man, how am i supposed to beat him

>>713080319
summon the furry

>>713079682
>>713079763
Let me demonstrate for you

>>713077540
Anyone?

>>713079905
Yes, lock on. Once you out run the air slashes, he's going to do one final fury attack and that's when you fight him for real and start to learn his moveset.

So phase 2 begins like this

What he does / What you should do

- He gathers skulls / You fix your weapon and heal
- He begins throwing skulls / You start running around the perimeter
- He runs out of skulls and flings himself towards you / You dodge at the very last moment AND start booking it, run away as fast as you can
- He starts up a vortex move with a large AoE / You should have been booking it before it started up
- He starts flying in the air and starts slashing with long blades / You continue running away
- He stops slashing in air and boots up a fury attack, it has a little bit of a delay, I suggest waiting before he moves a little bit before trying to guard / Get ready to guard and block the fury attack

After all that, you fight him normally without running.

>>713080409
>we want the Malenia audience
Elden Ring was a fucking mistake

>>713077540
It's all a time travel story to flesh out Carlo/Romeo/Lea's backstory.

>>713080478
Nah Sekiro was a mistake. Remember the old Souls days where we didn't have to parry shit all the time?

>>713080516
Was Lea in the base game?

>>713080478
that atrack and waterfowl are completely different abd you can easily survive both

>>713080640
They mention her and she has "memories" you encounter at the end of the game on that isle.

She is basically the "Big Boss" or "The Boss" of this game.

>>713049723
Shitters seething

>>713080478
Unlike Waterfowl this attack is actually balanced for the game

>>713049538
how did it take you 30 mins with Lea? I helped her up accidentally on my 2nd try and had to throw the boss fight. I don't even think I got targeted during the entire first phase

>>713077540
It's basically this game's Old Hunters, you venture into the past and see some of the darkest and saddest pages of the setting's history as you arrive just in time to witness how Simon wrestles control over alchemists from Valentinus. It fleshes out a lot of things the base game has merely hinted at, like the fact Geppetto's wife died and her Ergo ended up inside the family's maid puppet, becoming the first awakened puppet in the setting. Lea was hinted at in the main game already, several times. For example, in the first Black Rabbit fight, one of the brothers states that P fights like neither a Bastard nor Sweeper, his moves belong to someone else.

Arlecchino is a fair and balanced fight, unironically.

Hell yeah baby

>>713065368
Good post

>>713078214
>>713035790
I defeated him via parry because I didn't realize he was a gimmick fight.

>>713080478
Nigger you can heal after the mask attack, you can heal after the drop attack red circles thing, you can heal before the unblockable attack and every attack is telegraphed. It comes nowhere close to Waterfowl

>>713065368
Cringe ass post.

>>713052840
Yeah you could justify Paracelsus saving him since as an awakened puppet free of the covenant he might be with studying

>>713081337
No lol

>>713039193
>Amoral egotistic asshat
>Chills out a little when he gets a wife and then goes right back to being a total asshat when she dies when the illuminati she is a part of fucks up
>Ditches kid at an orphanage and said kid comes to resent him for being a shit dad (also kind of detached from him calling him "the boy"). Also shoves other parental responsibilities onto one of his buddies while he goes to work for the illuminati and jerk off to his puppet science field to one up those Vegnini fags because he's an egotistical jackass
>Son goes on to get cool surrogate family but dies again in part due to the illuminati asshats
>Gepetto only realizes how much he fucked up only once his son dies
>His response is to go completely off the rails and to help the super evil faction of the illuminati who were likely responsible for his wife and son dying in the first place. Granted he is using them like he does to everyone else but still.
>Goes on to orchestrate a horrific slaughter by helping to let loose a serial killer to slaughter his son's surrogate home and then personally finishes the job himself
>Kicks off another mass slaughter with his Puppet Frenzy scheme just so he can get at the illuminati god relic to enact his crazy ass plan to bring back his son as his personal ideal heartless murder machine abomination that's a super good boy only to him, the parent he came to despise in life for being a shit
>Fails to realize his own son reincarnating in his other puppet and tries to murder him all after basically ruining everything for all factions in his crazy plot (also fucking up Antonia's stuff that other person he had play second parent to his son in the past)
>If he gets his way he has his heartless/soulless son slaughter his second surrogate family at the hotel to tie up loose ends
Dude was a massive shithead

>>713081430
He was??

So the plot is the (((alchemists))) found ruins and mortal remains of Lovecraftian aliens underground and that leads to experiments and people being turned into puppets and shit? Why did human souls crystallize into ergo? Alien shenanigans?

>>713081723
If I remember correctly before the nerf you were supposed to hit him in the weakspot on his leg until he collapses and you do a fatal attack, and he pretty much only took damage with fatal attacks. Now he takes damage even from normal attacks and fatal attacks still deal boosted damage

>>713080640
She is mentioned in collectible documents and has a memory in the final zone. Said memory changes if you beat the DLC before doing the final zone.

>>713081337
maybe in difficulty 2 or lower

Where do I find the parry grindstone?

>>713081723
Yeah. Normal attacks to his body did very little damage originally. You were supposed to keep attacking one of his legs which would eventually cause him to stumble and fall down, and then you could fatal attack him and deal like 70% of his health.
Apparently that wasn't clear enough for most people, so they nerfed him into the ground. Not only does his leg have a big glowing weakpoint on it now, but he also takes decent damage from normal attacks now so you don't even need to break it first anymore.

>>713081337
Unironically this. how is he not fair? he doesn't even have any bullshit attacks.

>Arlecchino
Okay might have to lower difficulty this fight is literally impossible

>>713082868
No you dont and no it isnt

>>713082843
>tfw no big sister gf

>>713081909
Been a bit so might be off at some parts but I think it goes:

>An angel/god watching humanity. Said angel/god is generally benevolent and wants to help em out. Humanity's response is to take advantage (some wishes might not be good but said god is innocent and doesn't know better thinking its doing good because even its a jerkass human) and eventually tear said god apart for muh power/boons/etc. Said god's cool with it though since they're chill
>The civilization that first encountered said god (or found the handiwork of an even earlier civilization who did) had ruins as per usual.
>The Alchemists discover Ergo in a mine near what would eventually become Krat then find the ruins which they use in their crazy efforts to attain immortality and supreme power / truth
>Also find an ancient guardian of the old civilization that has ergo vision and decide to experiment on it because of course they would.
>They also eventually find a super artifact in the form of a piece of that torn apart god (arm of god). Its goes extreme potential but requires a lot of power to get working
>Fucking around with ergo (which was likely also related to the god as well as in part being an intrinsic thing to people) leads to petrification disease happening as a result to overexposure to it. This results in souls/essence basically crystalizing and becoming another resource. This along with general ergo stuff lead to funky scenarios like people pseudo reincarnating in puppets if their soul happens to reawaken in a puppet its inhabiting (see Arlecchino).

If P appears in the sequel, they should make Rose Sword his base moveset and just flesh it out further.

Rose Sword is overrated as fuck, the Gublade is much much better

>>713083106
Okay I did it but it took me 10 tries to survive whatever he does at the start of phase two

>>713082868
He staggers and stuns pretty easily desu so try playing more aggressive if you are being passive and get break resistance if you are getting break status

>>713083586
Both are fun though Rose Sword is hilarious for judgement cut. It was fun just utterly annihilating the second BRB fight with it and dropping the other siblings simultaneously

>>713082868
If you're on NG just put everything into stagger builds and stand still and mash the parry button.

>>713082868
>>713083638
>literally impossible
>beats it 10 minutes later

>>713083586
>Motivity:A

>>713083586
>playing with controller
>tfw using the gunblade and pulling dem triggers

>>713083586
It's pretty cool yeah I tried it in the training area.
But it seems you lose a lot of durability with every explosion.

>>713083825
The power of the human spirit

>>713083841
That's the max

>>713083898
You don't lose that much. You can still kill bosses on NG+ with just one sharpen.

>>713083586
They are both top tier. But Rose Sword has far better fable arts and the dodge charged R2 is possibly the best move in the entire game.

>>713083586
I like Pale Knight, but Rose Sword isn't overrated at all. It's by far the best weapon in the game just for its Fable Art alone. Fully invincible once it activates and does a shit ton of damage and stagger. Even on NG+5 I was deleting bosses just using it twice and throwing in a couple of charged attacks.

>>713084234
I suppose, but the wind up before you get the iframes is sooo long tho like a full 2 seconds, and you are completely vulnerable during that

>>713084584
Another fable art has nearly zero startup and doing a chain of 3 moves gives you a finisher. The total damage is almost as big as on judgment cut end.

>>713083638
Base game or NG+? Either way though, mighty fine job

>>713084670
another good thing about that one is you can speed through areas with it like just dashing through the giant dual shield puppets or other annoying blockade ones

>>713085134
You can also use it to safely heal and rebuff against virtually anything, and the fable art gain on charged attack is off the fucking charts.

Nameless Puppet will be the Tin Man.

>>713085853
No it's gonna be that broken puppet you teach emotes to

I kept that brain in a jar alive. Is there anything more to this?

>>713084767
Base Game

>>713085948
nah, NP doesn't have a heart/fake heart

>>713065368
Sounds like a skill issue to me

>>713085853
>Tinman is NP who is just fucking angry 99% of the time
>Scarecrow is Arlechinno who has a murder boner 100% of the time
>Cowardly lion is Klaus who is just freaking out being surrounded by these psychos

So....the Ergo you get from beating bosses could technically be shoved into another puppet and they'd be revived?

>>713086235
I want to play this game.

>>713086275
No, there is a process to revive someone, remember? You need "some stuff" and the puppet needs to look like the person. "Appearance is key."

>>713086628
What about the mass produced puppets? Do they have souls or are they just generic "energy"

>>713086691
Amalgamation of egos likely.

>salamander dagger handle has the best move set in the whole game
>advance scaling

>>713086835
At least you can respec in this game

She deserved to live. She deserved happiness. Rather than a big fat farce, the DLC should have been an actual successful attempt at changing the timeline.

>>713086910
we were successful. she no longer died to arlecchino.

>>713086945
I wonder if Gepetto made a puppet for her too we'll meet later.
>Gosh, P, you have TWO puppet wives??

So why was P in the train again in the beginning? Was that his first time awakening?

>>713086945
>she no longer died to arlecchino.
She never died to arlecchino, don't you understand? The event of P and Lea fending him off was always what happened, even in base game. We just didnt know it yet. The loop of P going back in time was always an occurrence, only brought to light with the DLC.

>>713087239
so the game is just the movie Tenet

>>713087239
Kind of. There are some additional tweaks in the timeline only after the DLC like Lummachio's bullshit only being revealed afterward

>>713086910
She won't fuck you.

Lea >>>>>> Sophia

>>713087715
Who the fuck even likes Sophia, she has blue hair and looks pregnant. Gross.

>>713087715
Lax >>>>>> Both

>>713087945
Im gonna puke

>>713087715
Sophia actually likes P. Lea only knows Carlo.

>>713087945
Based and loyaltypilled

>>713087945
she doesn't shower or wipe btw

>>713088021
This is arguably the dumbest thing ive ever read on this site

>>713088250
He's right though.

Wait, Rousara is Carlo's mother?

>>713088324
He (you) is not right

>>713088578
How is he (not me) not?

>>713088573
Bro, you need to go back to fuckin' school.

>>713088658
Who is she then, gigabrain?

>>713088739
She is just Carlo's playmate puppet. That's it. Carlo's mom, Camille, awakened in a maid puppet.

>>713088861
Why the fuck would a boy have a girl doll??

apparently i dont have the chosen one's trinity key
does the last answer really matter?

>>713088951
That's not even an argument. This is spelled out in the game. Stop being a retard.

>>713088951
Why do you think he grew up to be a twink

>>713039193
>Absentee father
>kid decides to become a Stalker
>eventually catches the Petrification disease and dies
>Gepetto genocides the entire population

>>713088650
Because Carlo and P are one in the same, and the longer time goes on, the more true that becomes. Remember when we get the necklace after beating Romeo, and we show it to Sophia? Memories of Romeo are then flooded into P's mind and Sophia comments on how P's face has a look of despair. Thats him remembering his past and who he is

So when does this game start? I've been stuck in a long ass unskipable cutscene on a boat with a tiger

>>713089382
But the bad end is when P actually awakens Carlo's ego. Carlo was a piece of shit like Gepetto. The true end is where P awakens to his own ego.

>>713089567
P is controlled in the bad ending. He doesnt willingly kill Venigni and Eugenie, Gepedo forces him to

On my first playthrough and just unlocked the DLC after I entered Chapter 10. Is it intended for me to play the DLC here and then go back to Chapter 10 and finish the game, or should I finish the base game first and then come back

Goddamn is this site full of retards who lack basic comprehension skills.

>>713089882
Cope.

>>713089917
I'm trying.

>>713089882
the fuck did you say about my Mom, nigger?

>>713089679
Nothing points to him being controlled.

Young Antonia >>> all

>>713089983
You joke, but it really is that bad.

>>713089882
The man who keeps quiet is dumb for eternity, while the one who asks is dumb but for a moment so shut the fuck up, buddy

>>713090070
Anon, his heart gets put into the nameless puppet who Gepetto has full control over and is bounded by the grand covenant

What was the deal with the singer and her sister again?

>>713090204
>while the one who asks is dumb but for a moment
I wish. Instead, they stay retarded.

>>713086910
>failed to save Carlo
>failed to save Romeo
she deserved it, awful mentor

>>713090634
One was an extremely talented singer, her sister was jealous and poisoned her so her throat was damaged and could never sing again
after losing her voice, the singer had to become a stalker, the younger one became a successful singer, but was wracked with guilt over what she did

I want to get infected with the petrification disease.

honestly i played most of the game not reading most of the letters and lorebits, then watch someone on youtube explain the lore to me

>>713035664 (OP)
I like the weapon assembly mechanic in theory, but in practice I'm too retarded to figure out a good combination

Ok why did they go back in time? Whats the explanation?

>>713090634
>>713090890
Arlecchino / King of Riddles also tricks the sister who poisons the other into going to the opera house saying it'd be safe to fuck her over for the lawlz

>>713091279
Friendship

>>713091279
le wish

>>713091279
wishes are really powerful in this world, Lea wished could see the sunrise with their apprentices once last time.

i fight overseer now and i HATE how when during one of his combos i miss one parry window, my character gets on the floor and then i can't even roll away and he just keeps smashing me and i can't do anything

>>713091524
SOMEBODY STOP HIM

>>713091279
When you wish upon a star
your dead apprentice comes back as a puppet, saves your ass, and turns to fairy dust as you experience your final moments together

>>713091137
It’s basically just “put the biggest damage number blade on handle you like moveset of”

There’s no complexity outside of restricting slashing/thrusting movesets (which completly fucking ruins Advance builds since there’s almost zero viable combinations).

It’s a cool idea on paper, but pretty shit in implementation. Most combinations are just worthless, and a few are just objectively the best with zero downsides.

>>713087239
No there's two timelines. one pre overture where lea gets merked by alecchino and one where we help her beat him. Why do you think we get sent back to the present just before gepetto arrives to kill lea? Because Gepetto seeing carlo would cause a time paradox. There's no dramatic changes in the story after we change the timeline to arrlechino dying to lea + carlo because lea just dies to gepetto shortly after, instead of arlecchino beating lea, only to be killed by gepetto shortly after.

so what happened in the og timeline? Arlecchino styled on both of them and (our) G pulled up and clean house after A was a tad fucked after fighting Lea?

New weapons?

At the House of Venigni...

>>713092352
>>713092447
Did Big G send The Joker to the Monad state for revenge for what happened to his wife and Carlo?

Remember, Blunt weapons deal more damage to puppets than a weapon with a blade.

>>713092705
arlecchino went on his own accord. he broke out of alchemist imprisonment and did the monad shit to bring lea to him

>>713092352
There are not two timelines.

Two minor things that annoy me about this game

- Needing the frozen feast for that one cipher near the end
- Weapons having collisions with walls and stopping your attack

>>713091279
Everybody just forgets Sophia is able to manipulate time. She brought back Carlo's soul to the P puppet, she sent you back to, I guess, save Lea.

>>713092979
>Rosaura isn't in her final area in the base game normally, she only gets there once you beat the dlc, where you go back in time and influence certain events, aka changing the timeline

>There's an extra lea memory on the alchemist beach area that is only accessible after you beat the dlc, where you go back in time to influence certain events, aka changing the timeline

>Arlecchino mentions you were there on that day when he fought lea if you wear lea's clothes, which you only get in the dlc, where you go back in time to influence certain events, aka changing the timeline
I accept your concession

fucking finally
i died on him A LOT, but it was fun fight, i kinda enjoyed it, opposite to two previous fights - Veronique and Markiona, i didn't like those at all
also, did any of you manage to break his weapon? i tried so many times to just parry him a lot to destroy it and never managed to

>>713092330
Blade dictates reach and alters the speed of your attacks plus some of them have gimmicks
I'm mainly pissed about the fact I like both La Vendetta blade gimmick of storing explosions from blocks/parries and it's handle for the baseball bat moveset, but don't like them together
Handle is pissing me off because you attack with the side of your blade so anything that has any discernible edge or striking point looks completely retarded. Pretty much limits you to blunt weapons and not even all of them
Giant Wrench handle fable art doesn't trigger explosions for the blade despite looking like an obvious synergy. Worst handle in the game

>>713093483
Lea puppet in the sequel fingers crossed.

>>713092705
Simon and Gepetto orchestrated Arlechinno's escape so he'd wipe out the main Alchemist leader / Simon's rival at the Monad house along with everyone else. Gepetto would then go clean up any survivors and whoever won between Lea and Arlechinno with Nameless Puppet while they were exhausted

>>713093764
the alchemist killed both gepettos wife and son. why would he work with them

>>713093483
No, you proved my point. If the future changes by us going back into the past, then it is all the same timeline. If there were different timelines, our future would remain unchanged. The cat wouldn't have the bell, there would no painting on the wall, and all the shit you said.

>Try DLC on NG
>Struggle like crazy with most bosses
>Take like 2 hours of attempts to beat Markiona
>Go to NG+
>Buttrape literally everything
>Beat Markiona la second try
I wonder if it's going to be the same for the rest of the DLC, but it sure feels like this is what it was properly scaled for

>>713093469
I mean, every time you die in the game, she just rewinds the clock.
Got quite a lot of power at her finger tips, though she doesn't exactly advertise it.

>>713093865
Means to an end and the details about how they died wasn't common knowledge I think. His wife died in an accident as far as official records went (with hidden record revealing it was an unsanctioned alchemist project that went awry) and Gepetto barely gave a shit about Carlo once his wife was gone so he probably didn't know about the little horror show meeting he went to.

Though yeah mostly means to an end to play the alchemists and get close enough to nick the arm of god so he can pull his revival plot while simultaneously wiping out everyone else and take over Krat

>>713093469
I don't think it was her. Her symbol is the blue butterfly while it was a white butterfly that guides the DLC adventure. Might have been another Listener or someone else / wish shenanigans

>>713093885
In what way does that prove your point? The fact that there's two different instances that happens depending on whether you complete the dlc or not proves there's two different timelines. That painting is only there if you do the dlc. so there's one timeline without the painting, and one timeline with it.

Redpill me on the Etiquette. Is it worth using?

>>713094020
Yeah everything in the DLC hit like a truck
Going back to the main story now is a cakewalk

>>713093764
Wasn't it Simon's alchemists transporting Arlechinno in the first place? I thought he just escaped on his own. The charity house was full of carcass which Arlechinno couldn't have done. I thought that part was what Simon did, Arelechinno going in to murder everything was just bonus.

>>713094267
Not unless youre going for a very posh build
There are much better Tech weapons later on

>>713094020
you just got gud

>>713094185
No, it's the same timeline. We are just altering it. It's like Back to the Future. With the advent of the DLC, the "og timeline" doesn't exist. There exists only the singular timeline in which we do the DLC. There are no other realities.

>>713093865
Because he's a psychopath and he's laser focused on reviving Carlo with the puppet and Simon nuking the entire city only helps him. Everything else is collateral and alchemists including Simon himself would just be dealt with after he's done

>>713094020
I found MG+ way easier too - probably a mix of being higher level ane having foreknowledge of what to expect in the DLC

>>713094732
Like wut?

>>713095071
Puppet Ripper
Two Dragon Sword
Laxasia's Weapon (forget the name)
Booster Glaive Handle
Claws (DLC only)

>>713094020
Now try Arlecchino on Boss Rematch lv2 or 3.

>>713095730
Does anyone know how the scaling works for rematches? To me, Level 3 feels about the same or maybe a bit easier than NG+. Level 4 feels harder and 5 requires near perfection because a lot of things will just 1 shot you

>>713095154
Don't forget the trident of the covenant. My waifu.

>>713096073
>have her upgrade my weapons
>largely ignore her up to this point
>"So I bet you're wondering why I'm foreign
...N-no? What did she mean by this?

>>713096470
she's an asian girl in 1800 italy

Given the success of Stellar Blade what are the odds that devs make Dorothy fairly attractive in the sequel?
Not necessarily sexy but pleasant to look at.
Then again LoP had zero ugly women in it so we're likely safe

imagine if burgers had made the game

>>713096608
*france
Krat is french belle epoch which is funny because of our cast of characters.

>>713080409
Can koreans NOT rip the japanese off? This game is solid but we all know lies of p literally wouldn't exist if Japan didn't exist.

>>713096005
Level 3 seems harder, at least a bit more than NG+. And I believe it scales with your NG.

>>713096736
ogress

>>713080409
>le ultimate bullshit attack
>defeated by a brisk run in a circle
kek

>>713080478
Unlike Waterfowl, you can defend against this attack the same way you've been doing it for the entire game: just parry

>>713096005
level 3 is harder than the base game I can say for sure

>>713094538
They decked out Arlechinno's body to be a terminator

>>713096736
there are like millions attractive black women and they chose the ugly one, is hollywood secretly racist?

>>713094538
>I thought he just escaped on his own.
Iirc there's a letter to Valentinus from Simon talking about how he "unleashed his sea monster"
Which makes me think he intentionally crashed the boat with Arlecchino on it to get him to the Monad charity house
And while that means it'd make more sense for Valentinus to be the one originally transporting Alrecchino, Simon is a big enough retard that I could see him intentionally crashing his own boat for the lulz

>>713097668
all part of the plan
total western culture death

>>713097668
I wish.
No, they just hate beauty.

Behead alchemists

>>713098193
...did they call her ugly just like that?

>got the game this weekend
>been using the electric hammer since i found it
>halfway through the game before i remember the merchant that can sell boss soul weapons
>buy ow the edge the scythe
now i just need upgrade materials for it

>>713098648
No, the important bit is that she isn't White.

>>713094267
It's not the best, but its still very effective and there's something funny about killing monsters with an umbrella
If you are building for tech, its a good weapon for early/midgame, by late game, you'll have better options

>>713094538
>>713097795
This. You honestly think that fuckwad Simon wouldn't sacrifice some of his lesser mooks if that was the scenario?

If I do 30/30 tech/advance, do I use a status blade, or do I use a tech & advance handle? Or.. both?
Rn I'm using the electric coil on the booster glaive, and the salamander dagger on the pizza cutter handle. Idk if that's right though.

>>713098743
Don't forget to check with the butler at the hotel to see if he's selling any materials.
He'll typically carry some after you find Krat supply boxes.

>>713098913
>2k+ damage on each hit
>wide spread
Yum
Just never use it near a ledge

>>713099261
not just that, it pushes you back so it can move you out of danger, staggers like a motherfucker and doesn't take much charge for how powerful it is
Best scaled with a motivity build, but really, its great for any build, takes some good timing to use properly, but once you get used to it, no other legion arm comes close

Playing this feels really refreshing after elden ring, because it's so straightforward
>20h, beat main game
>get enough mats to fully upgrade multiple weapons
>levels are short but there is just enough to explore and find cool stuff

>>713099492
The only thing that I feel is missing is one or two optional areas and bosses - something to really surprise you and make exploration feel more worth it
But i agree the straightforward linear design is very refreshing

>>713099637
I don't care for optional areas. I just want to fight everything in one go. I think most people do when you see how many people fought Nameless King on their first go of DS3. People think they like optional stuff until they miss out.

How would the story change if he was the protagonist?

>>713099919
Geppetto would be exploded with the blood crystal shit. That's the only difference.

>>713099919
the same but he beats geppeto before even waking carlo

>>713099919
Huge part of Jack's story is how he figures out the timeloop and then uses it to his advantage, he would work better as Lea stand-in using time fuckery to prepare P in the future while building his reputation as the bullshit stalker
If he's the MC then nothing really changes unless he figures out how the timetravel works and kills Geppetto and Simon in the DLC to fix the future

>>713098913
This plus Gunblade feels like the best way to play the game, nothing is as cool/fun

>>713100236
>both weapons move you around, allowing for excellent mobility in the middle of battle
>both have excellent stagger potential
>more explosions
>sound design on both is fucking excellent, both on the explosions and the whirring/clicking of the mechanisms
>liberal use of legion magazines and p-organ upgrades will let you spam shotgun blasts like their going out of style
>best designs for both legion arm and main arm respectively
my NG+ run with my motivity character is fun as fuck

>>713098913
If it could actually combo with my weapon swings, I would use it, but there is such a big delay when trying to fire after a swing.

>>713098779
Why do whites hate themselves?

>>713100527
You missed
>Fable art on the Gunblade hits like a fucking truck
I purposely use it to style on bosses once their health is low enough

>>713100685
white guilt is a helluva drug for some people

>>713097668
dude, eversince southpark made the ginger joke, its practically a caster couch powerplay/joke to cast niggers like that

>all the blue mutants are doing wrestlemania shit
huh

>>713101036
>Welcome... to MY ring!

>kill the fake Alidoro in cold blood
>"you feel warmth"
b-bros, is my P okay?

>>713101420
he deserved it, dont worry
Plus thats a more human action

I've noticed that most if not all of the R2 attacks on the claws have low hit-boxes and will sometimes let you avoid certain attacks. If you test it against the training dummy you'll see that the punches whiff if you time it right. I've had it happen against normal enemies as well. Like those fire spear guys, I've avoided their pokes with the buffed R2 spin attack plenty of times.

I beat the game for the first time recently, havent started the dlc yet. Overall really enjoyed it. One thing I'm not clear on is what's the point of geppetto causing the puppet frenzy? How does them killing random people help him? On another note seeing him lug that suitcase around makes me wonder if he was ever in any actual danger at all throughout the game, if he can just set his super puppet loose whenever like that.

>>713101420
The dude was a backstabbing shithead and it shows you aren't a puppet bound the Grand Covenant rules like he was trolling you about.

>>713102683
Petrification disease causes one's life essence (ergo) to be crystallized
Having the puppets go on a killing frenzy after the petrification disease has ravaged the city causes a lot of ergo to be released, which is necessary for reviving Carlo

what's your favorite record bros?
For me, it's Memory of Beach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q3fIKK75Aw&list=PLxfJZ3cTz86r-GMISqI5eXh_M-XCua_uW

>>713102949
I see. Then why does he send you to kill the king if the puppets are just doing what he wants them to? Couldn't he just order them to stop like he ordered them to frenzy?

>>713103394
Because the king (Romeo) broke free of his control and was trying both to warn P as well as to stop the disease from spreading

>>713103723
Romeo's black box tells you outright he can't break the covenant

why is it when Lea gets the title of Legendary Stalker, its an honor, but when I get it, I get arrested and a restraining order?

>>713103394
the role of the king of puppets is a little tough to grasp and may be inconsistent between base game and dlc
He may have sent you to kill him just to tie up a loose end - the king of puppets made those recorders implicating Geppetto so he may have had some degree of freedom the Geppetto wanted squashed out
>>713103723
Romeo also says that he "has to fight you" and that "This is what freedom feels like" as he dies, so that implies he may still be under control.

>>713103920
I got by with Legion Arms and throwables
But that spot can suck s dick anyway

>>713103356
For me it's Someday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvPrjpijw5o

>>713103920
take out the spinny fuckers with throwables, then burn down the big fucker

>>713088861
She could be more it seems strangely vague. She could be his sister

>>713103356
Clear Blue Sky
>tfw entering the Fisherman shack to the slow rendition of it on the record player

>>713088237
Let's hope not.

>>713103356
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAs54_DuLJw

>>713104197
If Carlo had a sister that would undoubtedly get mentioned at some point - it'd be retarded for Geppetto to go scorched earth over his son but never mention his daughter

MOTHERFUCKERRRRRRRRR

>>713103812
Not all puppets are under Gepetto's control, for example those who have awakened their ego. Romeo was one of those puppets and being the king of puppets he still had a level of influence on them even if he couldn't outright stop them from killing people
>>713103885
>implies he may still be under control.
It implies that by killing him for good you've freed his soul from being trapped inside a puppet made by a psycho

>>713087945
Fuck did you save this pic on?

>>713104815
>The game tells you Romeo couldn't disobey Geppetto
>But my headcanon says he could

>>713089882
still true

>>713083586
>>713084105
>>713084234
I took the quality pill and boy oh boy yes this weapon is broken, I kneeel

I can't beat Arlecchino even with Lea

>>713104956
It makes no sense to believe Romeo was under Gepetto's control, if he was he wouldn't have tried to warn P about the nameless puppet.

>>713105705
Try playing solo until you learn his fight better. Then when you feel confident, bring Lea in to help finish him.

>>713098913
>blocks your path
try this thing on a quality build with the triumvirate amulet (the one that increases the scaling by one tier, making the legion arm have A/A scaling)
It does pretty good damage, but more importantly, it might be the easiest way to farm staggers in the game. seriously slept on legion arm.

>>713105705
use the chode + puppet string + electric blitz
>>713056803
>>713057326

>>713104020
based; was gonna post this

>>713057104
She'll be able to stance switch between different shoes with unique effects and fighting styles.

>>713105816
It makes perfect sense to think he is, if he wasn't he wouldn't fight P like all the other puppets not bound by the covenant/awakened

>>713105705
Just bring in Lea. He's not playing fair, I'm not gonna play fair either.

>>713106375
He literally spent half the game trying not to fight P, he only fights him when he had no other choice

>>713106429
read nigga read

>>713106429
read the post without having a stroke, then reply to it

Every attack in the dlc takes 50-70% of my health, single hits
Is this normal?

>>713108276
Depends on
>NG Cycle
>Vigor
>Capacity + Arnor components
>Whether or not you have the physical reduction amulet on
The DLC felt only slightly above the end of base game when i first played

>>713106592
But at the start of Phase 2 he also says "I need to fight you, there's no other way" or something like that
Which could be translation fuckery for all I know

>>713105705
What are you having trouble with?

When do I start the dlc. When should I finish the dlc.

>>713048778
>Frozen Feast
Lmao this nigga did it with the worst weapon in the game, imagine if lil nigga used a good weapon instead.

>>713110859
For a first playthrough? After you beat the game but before you start NG+.
For anything after? Once you get access.

>>713110859
as soon as you can, it adds stuff to the base game

>>713110859
>when do I start the DLC
Either before going to the Isle of Alchemists if you want a little extra dialogue or right before starting NG+
>>713048778
Unironic respect for beating with what is arguably the worst weapon in the game
I still don't think he"s on Consirt Radahn levels though - Arlecchino's attacks are all pretty readable and learnable compared to Radahn having 50 instant holy laser beams after each swing

Polendina is not asking me the cure or the alchemist is not offering me. At right before Laxenia, am I missing something?

>>713110859
>When do I start
First playthrough after the main game I'd say, mostly because it will trivialize the rest of the base game if you do it first, later playthroughs as soon as it's avaible so you can see the changes in the final chapters
>When should I finish the DLC
After the final DLC boss
>>713111379
Did you show him the ring? That's the only part of his quest that I think is missable

I don't wanna play as Dorothy...

>>713111461
Yes, I did. I told him they could fall in love.

>>713111501
Given the success of Stellar Blade I imagine we'll go from cute twink to cute young lady
I'm fine with it personally

>>713108549
I mean romeo thought he could reach carlopuppet by doing something he thought they shared an interest between (fighting)

>>713094075
Wait where is it revealed that the mom died because of the alchemists again?

>>713111572
I've just grown too attached to P. My mind will probably change once she's actually revealed

>>713111501
I mean they could make it a multiple protag game after the tutorial to get to OZ then the REST of the actual OZ comes in where you get to pick between her, Carlo (as tin man), Arlecchino (as the scarecrow), and whoever the lion is.

>>713111515
Have you bought anything from Giangio or whatever the golden apple merchant name is? Maybe he won't sell it unless you buy something
Fextra comments say you need to repair Victor stargazer or the questline won't trigger

>>713111745
In the sequel I hope they give Dorothy more agency in the story
It makes sense for P to be mostly mute and largely just go along with things other people say to him since he's a puppet, but I'd like to see Dorothy properly interact with characters around her.
Especially since the NPCs in LoP are pretty good and they could do some interesting writing between the MC and them.

Did the stalkers go nuts after the puppet frenzy?

>>713111839
Yes did all of that.

>>713111501
I already play with mods that turn P into a bimbo so I won’t mind.

Youngest rabbit brotherhood member deserved rape.

>>713111701
in the DLC there are some journals and shit talking about some fucked experiments. Then in Monad estate there's the letter from Valentinus to Geppetto talking about Camille and her tragical death IIRC

>>713112183
Most stalkers died in the workshop tower incident.
Some stalkers went nuts due to guilt/stress/whatever, Owl doctor and survivor are two.
Many are fine like Parrot, Fox, Cat or Hugo.
Most stalkers like the brotherhood, Atoned, Donkey, White lady or robber weasel attack us because we are a puppet which is a pretty normal thing to do.

>>713113717
How can they tell we are a puppet? The metal arm?

>>713035664 (OP)
The Lies of Pee

>>713113814
when i tell my gf i had night sweats, but i really went to bed drunk and pissed myself

Easy mode for NG+ is a great time. Finally collecting those records.

>>713035664 (OP)
God damn Arlekino art design mogs every boss design in the elden shit DLC its not even close

>>713113789
Actually thinking about it they attack for different reasons.
Brotherhood attacks you for trespassing.
Atoned fights you for not being a stalker.
Donley fights you for trying to help Geppetto.
White Lady does think you are a puppet.
Robber weasel is probably a bit crazy.
Ram girl in the DLC is going nuts.
Snail guy in the DLC is working with Simon.

>>713114091
the weasel was retarded

>>713113717
Owl Doctor went nuts because Alchemists gave him the carcass elixir

>>713111701
It's in the underground lab as well as two other ones at the hotel, the ship, and monad estate. Basically went

>Camille was supposedly a Listener and worked with the alchemists
>Alchemists do an unsanctioned experiment testing Listener reactivity to the arm of god
>Goes bad, Camille dies.
>Valentinus goes "ah shit oh fuck" and covers it up, having the people involved in it axed except the puppet boss bitch who also worked with/for Camille (she was the one who pushed to take Camille's ergo and put it into a puppet which led to that whole discovery.
>Make the official story that something happened on a ship and Camille + 12 others died.
>Valentinus sends Gepetto letter about it
>Gepetto probably doesn't buy the "official" story and goes digging / works with Simon to take out Valentinus (and then from there Gepetto secretly plans to fuck over Simon too along with everyone else)

So the reason Geppetto started the frenzy was to gather a ton of ergo to use the arm or god to awaken P/bring back Carlo.
Romeo was used as the king to start and run that operation.
Romeo awoke his ego sometime between the start of the frenzy and when the game starts.
Romeo now is attacking the carcass monsters to help the surviving humans.
Sophia wakes up P, and Geppetto's plans change to kill the king and take out the alchemists after. Using P as the ergo "releaser"
In the DLC Geppetto kills Romeo and Lea. Likely because he knew he needed a strong willed ego to lead all the puppets / take out the 2 people most likely to stop him.

Does that all make sense? I don't think the game outright tells the player why Geppetto starts the frenzy and this makes the most sense to me.

>>713114820
>>Valentinus sends Gepetto letter about it
>>Gepetto probably doesn't buy the "official" story and goes digging
The letter to Geppetto explicitly says that Camille died in an alchemist experiment
Which dies beg the question of why they felt such a need for a huge cover up

>>713115024
Thats about right I believe
Also worth noting that P is important to Geppetto's plans because his gathering if ergo strengthens the P-Organ, which was too unstable in the Nameless Puppet
I still dont fully understand the lore of the P-Organ though

>>713115312
Geppetto is head of the workshop and that letter says Valentinus hopes the good relationship between it and alchemists will continue. Geppetto probably has higher clearance on alchemists bullshit than most of their organisation thanks to his position and this relationship, the cover up is for the public

>>713098193
I don’t get it. This woman is insanely attractive. Where’s the “gotcha”?

>>713115640
They never really tell you anything about it, if it's an invention of paracelsus then i expect it to be mentioned again in the Oz game probably by the tin man...

>>713105079
What am I looking at here?

>>713103356
Survivor The male version

>>713115858
you're on /v/, reason is forbbiden and shunned

>>713065725
it's okay anon. Happened to me as well.

>>713115950
Red disc is objectively better

>>713092506
>trident
>new
Pick one.

where is bro going
this fight had so much DS1 vibe, it reminded me of gaping dragon for some reason, like, there was no delayed attacks bullshit, no infinite combos, just pure fun

>>713093483
Base game you get to the arche abbey and Arlecchino is fucked up and attached to the wall. Yeah I wonder who did that, oh yeah it was Lea and P that destroyed his body. There's one timeline and it entails P going back in time

>>713119056
>where is bro going
to the future

>>713119564
ooooooooooooooooohhhhh
so there won't be any more fights with him in the dlc?

>>713119669
Nope, hes just a one off

>>713119056

Green Swamp man is my favourite fight in the base game.

For all purposes it should just be a random no name monster wearing another earlier bosses skin, and therefore lame filler, but it's hype as fuck. The way its animated overall, and how it steals the Watchman's moveset then mixes it up is just great.

I can see why Expedition 33 hired Koreans to do most of their battle animations, that seems to be a speciality.

>>713048778
Way easier than Radahn. You made it hard by using the worst weapon in the game.

>>713049723
Never understood why he was mocked for this. He's a retard but he's completely right here.

>>713119943
Arlecchino was way harder for me.

>>713093621
Well done anon. Nah I never broke his weapon despite parrying a lot too.

>>713096073
>>713096470
I find her hilarious because the asians just can't make a game without putting in a black haired asian woman in it.

>>713093621
I broke his weapon on NG, but I have the second P-organ node for parry weapon destruction (not first and not augmented). I use the destruction grinder but pretty sure it only increases stagger buildup, not weapon destruction

>>713099919
Would realize there's no Chaos around and fuck off.

>>713104757
Died more to this guy than I did some of the bosses in the DLC.

>>713093621
>disliked markiona
Sad!

>>713111368
>>713048778
Radahn literally had an undodgeable attack on release. Arlecchino is way more fair.

>>713121471
What made consort radahn easier for me, even pre-nerf, was that most of his phase 1 moveset was still present in phase 2. For arlecchino, he has an entirely different moveset (and perhaps I'm in the minority for thinking this but phase 1 was a bitch to properly learn and get consistent at). I ultimately needed to learn how to do phase 1 pretty much damageless if I wanted to stand a chance in phase 2

>>713093621
>Likes the boring ass Overseer
>Hates Markiona
Something is wrong with you

>>713122015
yes, because Overseer was smooth, it was a nice fight, no ADHD bullshit jumping from one character to another, no infinite combos, no weird fucking attacks out of nowhere, it almost felt like a DS1 boss, but like modern type of boss if you know what i mean
Overseer is kind of boss i'd like to see more in fromsoft games, not this anime infinite combos bullshit
i dislike delayed attacks, but Overseer did them kinda fair, like, it just took me few tries to understand what he's gonna do

>>713121972
Radahn's phase 2 attacks that were from his phase 1 were mostly manageable
But his instant transmission clone attack, neverending holy bolts, and fuckhuge AoE's he liked to throw out were all just annoying to learn and deal with.
Arlecchino's Phase 1 was made easier by using a shock grindstone to wear him down quickly and making good use of guard regain, since he likes to throw a new attack chain in when he catches you healing normally.

>>713122345
Markiona is simply the best designed duo boss of any Soulsy game - the telegraphs are incredibly readable and if you play your cards right you can skip the majority of her phase 2 by forcing her to heal the puppet

Laxasia has some really fucking short parry windows

>>713122345
Overseer was a boring fight that had nothing going for it, there's nothing that makes it stand out from the rest. Shit didn't even feel like a boss. Even the crocodile had more to offer than the overseer.

>>713122507
I disagree - overseer was just a bit "boring" by boss standards, but honestly a unique enemy that hits hard and has a simple gimmick (stagger him to get him out of his red aggressive phase) is a nice challenge to learn and overcome

>>713087715
Based

>>713122657
I got bored just from reading you describe him. He's awful, and I think you're a bad player that got your shit pushed in by Markiona and that's why you didnt like her fight.

I liked every dlc bosses to be honest

>>713080409
>Tired of being called out for stealing animations from souls games, the chinese decide to steal from Armoured Core instead

>>713122805
Im not the same one that said Markiona was a worse fight you dumb turbo nigger
But hes way better than Tyrannical Predator

>>713122805
I think you're autistic and got your shit pushed in by the overseer to hate him this much

>>713123217
Overseer was boring and easy. Sorry about your shit taste when it comes to Markiona though

>>713098913
I almost never used my Legion Arm in 3 playthroughs until I got this.

WOAH MAMA

>>713123854
I bet she smells like when you take a cast off for the first time in months

>main game has tons of mid bosses
>dlc bosses are all excellent
This game really is similar to bloodborne

>>713124239
>>dlc bosses are all excellent
The gator??

>>713124239
Tyrannical predator is one of the worst fights in the entire package (I beat him on my second try)
But besides that i agree

>>713124239
lol lmao

>>713124394
>>713124456
The croc isn't as bad as fuoco, brotherhood 2, door guardian, and the majority of stalker fights

>>713126132
the problem is that it likes to corner you, abd because of it's size you can't see shit, many of my deaths to it were because i couldn't see my character

>>713126132
Brotherhood 2 is great
>door guardian
I still don't get why he got the reputation in the first place
>majority of stalker fights
majority of them have no poise, just stunlock them

>>713123854
>"I will lick Sir Manus' anus!"
Weird boss introduction, but okay

I don't like the Monad's Rose Sword's attack patterns.

>every NPC quest must have a sad ending
Is this the worst souls trope?

My left index finger still feels sore days after beating Arlecchino on difficulty 5 lol.

>Finally unlock the gunblade
>It's even better than anons said
Damn I'm having fun, more games need weapons that propel you with explosions

>>713119846
>Green Swamp man is my favourite fight in the base game.
Mine too. I love the trope where you fight the same enemy you fought at the beginning of the game (in this case the Scrapped Watchman), but now they're even stronger.

>>713131495
Why is every game doing 3 million all of sudden?

>>713131545
No idea maybe that's the bar for no flop in the industry?

>>713131495
I know the game tries to redeem BRB by telling ua they're just a close nit family, but Idc, I hate these guys and love finally putting them all in the dirt

>>713131495
Hell yeah. Can't wait for their next game. I love this shit.