What happened?

>>713040727 (OP)
Capcom deserves the failure for rushing and abandoning DD2. Fuck em.

>>713040727 (OP)
No endgame.
And the core game is so piss easy you have no incentive to craft better gear just to make the already short hunts even shorter.
And the drop rte is so high you probably will have endgame gear while not even trying.

>>713040727 (OP)
>State outright that their goal with world was to win awards at western award shows.
>God of War beats them for GotY 2018
>Decide to make their mission based pseudo-MMO grinding simulator series into a hallway walking simulator
>De-emphasize the grind, everyone has endgame sets within a week of the game being out (Many didnt even have endgame sets by the time iceborne released for world)
>Also remove any potential side activity people could do to try to immerse themself in the world like housing / catching pets to display in your house.
They basically removed all the stuff that makes MH a "forever game" so its ZERO surprise that its bleeding players to the point that World has significantly more active players at any given time of the day now.
I don't know what this means for the long term health of the series, I expect the expansion will under-perform as a result of the lower long-term attachment rate to the game.
Worst case scenario is that Capcom looks at the data, realizes the series hit its sales peak in World, sees that the series has no room to grow its playerbase anymore and because number always has to go up, they'll bin the series despite it being their best selling one.
It can already feel like the suits at capcom secretly hate the franchise or something, watching any sort of gaming presentation or Capcom's own directs, even when the direct is specifically advertised as giving new MH info, it always feels like MH is a second class citizen franchise and they spend way more time talking about Street Fighter or Resident Evil as though they want MH fans to graduate to those series.

>>713041158
Wilds is the best initially selling monster hunter.
But only because people didn't know it was gonna be a nothing burger in the endgame.

>>713040727 (OP)
the game and its entire design philosophy is complete trash, i have no idea what capcom was thinking with wilds.

>>713041440
Keep in mind (and I sorta predicted that it would be the fastest selling for this reason) that Wilds released on all platforms simultaneously, while World was split by like 6 months or so between consoles and PC since Sony paid to keep it off PC for a while.
This means that World's launch sales would have been split into two distinct periods, and the massive chinese market would have been left out from the first period entirely. With Wilds these basically got combined and therefore so did the sales (minus people who bought World twice).

My expectation has always been that Wilds will have faster initial sales than World, but far lower lifetime sales. (Still surpassing any pre-5th gen game, but still)

>>713040727 (OP)
>recent
it's nothing, call me when ALL TIME is in the red

>>713041680
How well do you think Wilds' expansion will do compared to Iceborne and Sunbreak? I'm inclined to think some played this and won't look back.

>Take game that's almost entirely based around good positioning and footwork to kill a big monster
>Remove that entire concept by letting every weapon fre-aim so everyone has 100% dps uptime
>Further it by adding wounds that you can pop for massive damage and free staggers
>Do not update monsters enough to combat this power creep
>Suddenly everyone is killing shit as fast as speed runners
>Can target loot now so everyone has their armor/weapon in a day
>No need to even bother with the autistic grind weapons
what were they thinking??????????????

>>713041625
It's kinda comical. I'm a long time series fan (albeit my favorite entries have always been the ones on home consoles), and I had a lot of issues with World, but still enjoyed it and understand why it did so well. And ""many"" of my issues with World seemed to be issues that the new fans had with it too (the story getting in the way of co-op play, too many slow walk segments, etc.).
Then Rise comes out and it seems like lots of new World fans have the same issues with that game that I did (extremely fast, reactive anime combat that borders on completely mindless, poor feeling of hunting due to the mounts just rushing you to the monster thats already on your map, etc.).
Then Wilds comes out and seems to take all the bad elements of world and rise, combine them into one game, and then double down on these elements in the worst way possible.

It's to the point that I'm half convinced they're getting their western feedback purely through community managers who are feeding them absolute bullshit or something. But I think the more likely scenario is that they are searching for feedback by SPECIFICALLY asking focus testers who do NOT like monster hunter what they want changed in the game to make them play it, and by trying to appeal to people who don't like the franchise, you'll eventually lose the appeal for people who do, since no game can be for everyone.

>>713040727 (OP)
>friends tried to trick me into buying this shit
>its a timeless game we'll be playing for months!
>they played it for 1 (one) week

>>713040727 (OP)
I didn't even get this game. It looked and performed worse than World in the beta, so I just skipped. Simple as.

>Ugly desert.
>decent jungle
>Ugly oilfield.
>Ugly ice cliff.
>Ugly... whatever the hell you'd call Wyveria.
Does Wilds have the worst environments in the series?

>>713041829
I'd still estimate around 8-10 million lifetime sales for the expansion. I'm not going to suddenly say that "it flopped nobody will buy this", but I dont think we'll see anything near Iceborne's lifetime numbers. I also don't think the structure of this game suits the expansion format. I genuinely believe they'd be better of scrapping this here and making a new game from scratch that actually serves as a viable ""forever game"" in it's structure and systems, since wilds feels fundamentally like a disposable game you play through until the credits and then quit forever.

>DD2 then this
the pain is endless

>>713042913
I actually kinda liked DD2.
It was basically just as scuffed as DD1 but at least I didnt feel like it betrayed the spirit of its series or whatever, it was just kinda scuffed in a more normal way. I don't really feel the need to replay it, but since I never expected a new DD game in the first place, DD2 being kinda fun kinda disappointing mostly derivative and pointless at least doesn't create any major negative emotions in my brain.

>>713042821
>forever game
Kinda odd how they haven't tried. They could be selling full $60 or more expansions every few years.

>>713043412
This doesn't really work super well for MH, creates a similar issue to an MMO where if you join in late, only the new stuff thats like 300 hours into the game is really relevant or worth grinding for so it ruins the fun of your game up to that point, and just gets exhausting fighting the same monsters but harder and making the same armor sets over and over again.
When I say "forever game" I mean moreso just, creating a game that people feel like they could play forever, not necessarily having infinite content. Monster Hunter has traditionally sorta done this, you can run out of stuff to make eventually but you can still give yourself excuses to keep playing and there might always be some minor goal out there to work towards to keep playing. Pokemon games also used to be pretty good at this as another example, but have long since abandoned this structure, with the devs stating that people in the past used to only have a few games, and would play those few games a lot, so they filled them with lots of content, but now people play lots of different games so there's no point filling a game with content most players arent going to touch.

Story has no place in a Monster Hunter game.

>>713040952
>abandoning
but DD2 is a blast and its not a live service game.

>>713040727 (OP)
>kill 1 monster
>get so many materials i can craft the weapon and the entire set

>>713040727 (OP)
no content
piss easy
maps suck
seikret sucks
focus mode sucks

>>713040727 (OP)
>all the shills who would NOT shut the fuck up about this game for years are now salty for a mediocre half-baked game

Serves them right.

>>713043253
>It was basically just as scuffed as DD1
i disagree. it has a lot of the scuffs from the base DD1, but also introduced a ton of problems not present in the original and also took in none of the improvements from dark arisen. Felt like they had DD1 wiped from their minds and were told to make the game again, but without any of the soul or experimentation, and made the safest game possible that somehow felt even less finished than the game from over a decade ago.
worse characters with no charisma, the story is even worse and just kinda ends with a wet fart, more repetitive combat (just with less options), worse abilities, less customization, worse endgame, stealth system that doesnt exist (despite the game pretending like guards will actually catch you), AWFUL map that railroads you to the yellow brick road (moreso than DD1, and doesnt even have any open fields), and the main questline is 80% fetch quests.

>>713040727 (OP)
Too badly optimized, too graphically demaning

The amount of "lmao you poor?" posts in MH threads went down dramatically, what happened? Did capcom stop paying them?

>>713040727 (OP)
Good thing I only intended to play Worlds anyways.
You can keep the Best girl, I don't mind. I like to keep porn and games separated sometimes.

>>713043892
And capcom will learn nothing, double down on all of these even further for the next one (as in MH7, P6 will just be wilds but even more 'slop-coded').
I'm already absolutely fucking baffled that Ryozo claims the fast sales are "due to the story" when even most of the people who LIKE the game hate the story. I straight up don't know who is feeding them this information.
I also can't believe how bad the maps are. Scarlet forest is basically the only passable one. Iceshard cliffs straight up feels unfinished and basically fails at its job of being a hunting locale since basically no ice monster in the series can actually fit in that map.

>>713043862
DD2 didn't even get a hard mode like fans wanted (and the first game originally received)

>>713043892
>seikret sucks
That they do
https://e621.net/posts/5592999

>>713043789
The games always had stories, just not in such big rt cutscenes

>>713044205
so i went back to rise after beating it on release. did they tone down the walk n' talk sections for the post launch patches? or at least got rid of the dumb kid?

>we shit out damage with wounds sticking monsters to the floor
>Sekiret auto drives us over to the monster and maps are made around them so it's pretty much mandatory
Don't forget the performance

>>713043789
>>713044504
Its basically problem of the story no longer serving the gameplay. Rather than it feeling like the story is providing you context to your quests and allowing you and your characters goals to align a bit, (e.g. village chief wants you to kill a crocodile he thinks is causing earthquakes, you work up the ranks to get better gear to be able to beat the crocodile), it feels like the story is getting in the way of the gameplay, or that the gameplay is basically just there for the sake of the story to progress, even though the narratives presented in World and Wilds are both completely retarded and also basically the same thing with magical energy veins flowing through the land feeding some powerful white glowing monster in the middle.

>>713044630
They've changed nothing of note, they made hammer not shit, and otherwise they just added "harder 8* monsters" you have literally no reason to fight because they dont have any sort of unique equipment and its all far too little too late.

>>713040727 (OP)
Considering playing a fresh save through worlds again.
Any mandatory mods ?

>Captcha: AYAYA

game ran like literal shit for me after completing the story, dropped it shortly after

>>713040727 (OP)
You got 4 months to make it not look and run like shit, you didnt, so everyones going back to world

>>713044769
i guess there's only so much you can do with a story when the core conflict always has to be resolved through beat up a big dragon thing and nothing else.

>>713045161
They probably had like 5+ years to make it not look and run worse than world and yet failed, I don't think any amount of time will fix this.
I don't have the best PC ever but a 4070 and a 7800x3D should have been more than enough to at least have this thing looking on par with world, but no, I imagine even on highest settings it will still just look like shit because developers forgot how to make games.

>>713042717
It's easily the worst locales of all the ones I've played. Like you said, only the Scarlet Forest is at best "decent." Everywhere else is bland to look at and design wise, just not very fun to play on as well.

>>713040727 (OP)
>make a more open Monster Hunter
>give us nothing to do in said open Monster Hunter
It's like A Team looked at how barebones the quest offerings were in World along with their blatant investigations padding and decided to make it worse by telling shmucks to 'go do your own procedurally generated hunts' and thought that could be a gameplay loop. And it's a wonder I spent more time in Rise, at least they had expeditions for free hunts on top of quests and kept on adding quests EVERY SINGLE UPDATE whenever new monsters were on the menu. That's how you promote longevity, giving players shit to do.

But what kills it for me, and I dislike World/Iceborne for similar reasons, is how Capcom is too lazy to tie weapon and armor unlocks to these biomes. Rise didn't have that problem, shit the game couldn't stop vomiting more opportunities to give you new gear either via side quests or various other resources. How come Wilds ain't got them resources? Why doesn't collecting shit in the desert region unlock desert related weaponry like the Catcus Creamer hammer? How come Speartuna and Jailhammer are the only 'quirky' weapons allowed, but not the fucking plunger?

Still a better game than Rise and Pre-Iceborne World

>>713045741
how

>>713045741

only 12 year old japs and 30 year old americans play this

>>713046064
Monster Hunter has always been more popular in Europe than the US.

>>713045963
Rise was lacking in the detailed environments and grounded combat that made World so beloved, and base World had a monster roster that was severely lacking in variety

>monster hunter TURLD sequel
Apex kek
>healthbars on monsters
LMAO

>>713046260
Wilds literally has the same combat as Rise though, just without the cooldown timer super moves. Its the same shit where you just beat down on a monster with flashy combos and every fight feels the same.
Wilds also has less detailed environments than world.
The monster roster is only barely better than World in terms of variety, since they are no longer limited to bipeds or monsters that stand on four legs fairly high off the ground, and also smaller overall. Theres also an extreme lack of environmental cohesion within the roster compared to world. Again it feels like they designed Scarlet Forest and Windward Plains and then didnt think of anything for anywhere else.

This and Path of Exile 2 have to be the biggest fuckups I have seen in gaming in a long time. Both games lost over 90% of their playerbase. Insane. I don't even know how to fix POE2. Monster Hunter could be salvaged with a decent expansion designed like the OG games

>>713046260
Nobody but complete retards and secondaries "beloved" the shittiest MH game ever.

>>713046260
>Rise was lacking in the detailed environments
Good it means I can see what the fuck I'm doing and travel to places faster. Why would I want to waste my time?
>grounded combat that made World so beloved
Shit was boring and stale from day 1, don't kid yourself. Grabbing an HBG with pierce lv3 and spamming everything to death gets old when it's the answer to 98% of your problems.

Hot take but newfags sure love "ecology", when in reality the majority of people would rather get a small arena to fight monsters.

>>713046816
>Shit was boring and stale from day 1,
>I have many options but I'll pick the shittiest and most boring one for some reason, fun? now I wanna see the credits ASAP!
sasuga

>>713040727 (OP)
Artian weapons were a mistake
Seikret were a mistake
Nata was a mistake
The performance was and still is a mistake

shit optimization
barely any content
should have been in development for a year or two so we don't get this dripfeeding live service cancer. why can't they just frontload everything so the game can live up to a year without needing any big content updates?

>>713040727 (OP)
Hiveminds.

>>713046683
I dont actually think you can salvage wilds with an expansion.
The shitty maps are still going to be the shitty maps, adding 1 new map that maybe wont be as shitty isnt going to fix that.
Seikret will still be in the game, gathering and exploring will still be completely nonexistant.
The shitty food system, camp system, etc. aren't going to be deleted.
You can't really shape Wilds into something that would actually work well as a long-term game like iceborne, all of its systems work together to make it shit. It's not like its a good game lacking content or something, the very core is rotten, adding more stuff on top of a shaky foundation won't fix anything.

>scatcom cocksucker think this even makes a difference
they already have your money

>>713047079
If the other options were fun or worth a shit this conversation wouldn't be happening would it? A lot of World's weapons are just dry and the monsters are even dryer. Again this goes back to giving me shit to do. If nothing's going to actually challenge me and the game is too up its own ass to actually create a decent experience then why not take the path most traveled like everyone else? Not every game is supposed to be a 'create your own Minecraft fun' type experience.

I'm not going to pretend Base World and Rise had stellar endgame content because they didn't.

>>713041440
Helps that probably half the sales were from the Chinese.

>>713047367
You are right and I don't have an argument against you, I agree that the core is broken. I gave it my absolute all and got to HR235, and I cant say anything positive about the game other than SnS being extremely fun. Well ok, the octopus monsters are cool too.

>>713047578
better than Wilds at least. You got elder dragons to fight while Wilds only has Arkveld. Zoh Shia and whatever AT monster they're going to shit out are just updates

>>713047578
They didn't, but wilds is still worse than both by any measure I can come up with.
I hate to see a series start to consistently get worse with each entry, leading to the inevitable situation where people think anyone complaining is wrong because: "they say that about every game" when its literally true for every game because its a constant downward slope.

>>713047367
>Seikret will still be in the game, gathering and exploring will still be completely nonexistant
Have you tried not using it?
How is gathering and exploring non existent when you are still doing them?

>>713047139
this post kills the esl

>>713047808
>dont use it, all other 3 players do and are busy fighting monsters while you fuck around and slow the entire hunt down
>b-b-but don't play with others in this game designed around 4 players
You are fucking stupid and I love people like you defending this slop, you must be one of the 7000 people left. A majority of those being chinks LMAO

>>713042717
glad to see I'm not the only one, fuck this game really, MH is done

>>713047945
I don't get your point with all your strawmen. I'm assuming you're bitching about Seikrets cutting out exploration and gathering when they don't, and now you move your goalposts to them being required to not slow down hunts for multiplayer? You can't even form proper statements, you're the stupid one here.

>>713040727 (OP)
Proper positioning is entirely gone because now you can hold the FOCUS MODE™ button and your character will just turn around to hit where you're facing at all times even if you're mid combo or mid swing.
They have completely and utterly demolished the last foundation of satisfying combat the series had with this change, and in a series that was all about having satisfying combat as its base appeal, it now has nothing.

>>713047367
>Seikret will still be in the game, gathering and exploring will still be completely nonexistant
That's not the mount's fault. They're not to blame for Wilds have nothing worth looking at. Dogs didn't take away from exploring in Rise, but hell at least players had the option of the dog not being around at all if they so chose.

>>713048121
>Game dev designs entire game system
>it's shit
>new goalpost moved
>just don't use (insert game system) and the game is fine
Ive seen this argument hundreds of times and it is a losing battle. You lost, you are definitely floating around 100 IQ you fucking midwit retard. You faggots are truly pathetic.

>>713048191
>Player positioning is gone because (thing that has basically nothing to do with positioning)
Positioning has more to do with avoiding attacks if you are missing attacks because of bad positioning you are just fucking retarded

>>713047416
They never got my money

>>713046683
Capcom doesn't seem to have any developers smart enough to optimize the game on PC, where most of the buyers (mostly chinks with mid to low PCs) are. If they can't fix this giga problem then they're just kneecapping Wilds' sales potential. Performance is the hardest but best thing they should fix. If they can't fix that, then it shows me that they can't fix anything else about the game. I have a 9800X3D + 5070Ti so it's not like I'm complaining that MY computer can't run it.

>>713048191
>making the combat less clunky is actually le bad!

>>713048298
>no argument
lmao ok
you still haven't provided any specifics on how the birds make gathering and exploring non "existant" but i guess thats par on the course for projecting retards like you.

I called this trash at release and you faggots kept praising it
I actually bought it on ps5 and i got remorse as soon as i realized how story focused it was
That and the piss easiness

>>713040727 (OP)
No switch release

>>713048191
Yeah because being able to swing your camera to hit a monster that's moved away from you sure is in the game

>>713048421
You are a waste of oxygen you dumbass nigger, the mount system is terrible. It auto runs to your target, its simple and over 1 million people saw how stupid of a system it is and QUIT. Your game lost over 1.2 million players in a very short time. The mount system being a major complaint amoungst people that quit.
>I don't see the problem with it just don't use it
Ok? And what do you do when you don't and you become a deadweight in the hunt while the other 3 players do? You are being obtuse on purpose, you know you are wrong. Everyone in this thread knows you are a braindead brown person shilling a gook companies failed product.

>>713048421
Not him but your first suggestion to him to bring back gathering and exploration was to just not use the seikret, that alone is admitting that active use of it takes away from gathering and exploration.

>>713048603
nta but this seems like such a non argument. In old game I would not "explore" if I was running to the monster I would just run to the monster. If I wanted to explore I'd do it in a gathering mission or whatever. The sekret doesn't really do anything besides make it so you aren't holding forward to go to the monster.

>>713048564
>turn off auto run
>follow scout flies manually to your target
Wow that was complicated.

>>713048527
>tendies are the one shitposting about Wilds and DD2 every single day because it doesn't run on their tablet 2
It all makes sense fucking LMAO

>>713047015
do the majority of players really want this? I thought the arena quests were less interesting

>>713048293
Dogs DID take away from the exploration of Rise though, it was just more subtle about it.
The problem is the maps are no longer made at a "human scale", their designed around the speed of the mounts. And the level of detail gets spread out across that distance. Its a hard thing to nail down but that vibe of "walking through the forest / desert / whatever hauling yourself along and finding resources to gather" disappears when you're zooming these vast distances at high speeds on a mount, so much more of the world is just nothing filler space. Its why I had my concerns about wilds from the very first teaser (that and I felt the environment and creature designs we saw felt more FF than MH, and that the visual grounding of the series was getting more and more lost).

>>713048564
So which part of that cuts out exploration and gathering? You are not exploring when you're hunting a monster with 3 other guys. I don't know what you're mad about.

>>713048603
No? Moving on foot and using the seikret has no difference for gathering, its actually harder because you have to stop to grab things with the slinger. Exploring doesn't have much difference either outside of making it faster, or the seikret only areas that are basically just shortcuts to move around the map. Hell, there's even places where you can't use the bird to get to.

So what now bros, play worlds again? New character progression is fun there at least.

Capcom joined the hunt and then triple carted spamming flash pods

>>713048754
Lmao you keep repeating your failed strawman, it's a shit system and it watered down the game period. I'm just glad the world disagrees with retards like you and the game lost more players than any monster hunter game in history and the numbers are clear as day for all to see. Have fun with your dead dogshit game, not even 10k players LMAO. Mogged by Truck Simulator 2

>>713048564
>It auto runs to your target
You do know you can turn it off, right?

>>713048936
>So what now bros
Now we double down, defend every decision Wilds has ever made, call everyone else wrong/tendies for being displeased with it, and also not play it ourselves either as seen with the player numbers.

>>713048527
>>713048789
>Literally invent an argument so you have some boogeymen to point and laugh at to ignore any arguments people give.
I have a gaming PC that cost thousands of dollars to make, I also have a switch, I had a PS2 as a kid, I just play everything. I played both Wilds and DD2, gave them a full shot, and they suck. Rise was on the switch and it fucking sucks too.
GU? Guess what, it also sucks, lots of content but absolutely zero atmosphere or any sort of immersive quality, absolute slop.

>>713048991
>give you option
>noooo, you're retarded and you're forced to use the game's shit mechanics
As expected from projecting retards that can only repeat shit opinions like a parrot.

>game gives you options to explore
>shitposters who don't play games think you're forced to use only one option
We need to ban all indian ips

>barely more than 3k players than Dark Souls 3, a ten year old souls game
Indefensible and the shills in this thread still insist everything is fine. Watching Capcom get mogged by FROMSOFT is hilarious though.

>>713040727 (OP)
>No elder dragons
>Roster is shit
>Endgame is absolute shit
>looks like shit
>Runs like shit
>locales are shit
>Way too easy
>Focus mode and wounds ruins combat
>Hunter has too many get out of jail free cards and means to get free damage for doing basically nothing
>They wanted the sony movietard audience
>Seikret auto pilot
>The story is utter dogshit
>Most of the weapon's new movesets are shit
No idea...

>>713042142
>what were they thinking??????????????
"oh, sweet, sweet gajin money, oooo yessssss"

>>713049204
Explore what? the ugly ass environments with useless materials that do fuck all for you? Oh cool stuff in the background that you can't go to. Explore WHAT?

>>713049331
>misses the point
lrn2readthreads

>>713048909
There are literally more paths that you can only traverse on seikret than paths you can't traverse on seikret. Theres multple major connections between areas that are impossible to take on foot. You're clearly supposed to just turn your brain off and hit the seikret button.

>>713049090
Self imposed challenge bullshit is not a real argument. The entire point of a game designer is to design a proper game experience, players shouldnt have to curate every little aspect of it. The fact the first thing you need to do in an MH game now is spend 2 hours fiddling with the options menu disabling piles and piles of options to make the game playable is completely batshit insane.

The entire problem in all of this is the game is designed to be played on auto-pilot, and I do NOT mean the Seikret auto-travelling to the monster. I mean in terms of the players brain. Developers refuse to make games where players have to think at all now you're just supposed to fucking let your brain go on autopilot and just operate entirely off of vibes and instinct rather than having an actual mental interaction with the game where you learn and think and plan.
It's a problem across the entire industry. The BotWslop design philosophy of "every direction you can go is the right one!" doesnt exist to encourage exploration by letting people be free to make their own decisions, it means that players cant make mistakes and they will make progress without having to think about it at all.

>>713042142
>>Remove that entire concept by letting every weapon fre-aim so everyone has 100% dps uptime
See
>>713048563
>>713048394
>>713048318

Should I get back into PSO2 NGS?
That game surely has more content than Wilds

>>713049219
To be fair ds3 is the only good fromsoft game

>>713049419
What point? WHAT ARE WE EXPLORING ANON TELL US

>>713049219
Thanks for reminding me that the only thing more pathetic than a capcom defender is a fromshill

>>713049204
They give you "options" but one is CLEARLY the best.
Its like saying: "Oh if you don't like the new weapon movesets, dont use the new moves and only use the old moves", ignoring the fact that monster HP is 5x what it used to be, balanced by the new moves, and by not using them you're just giving yourself a pointless, unsatisfying self imposed challenge and wasting your own time.

Like yeah, I could not use the Seikrets, I could also never upgrade my weapon and the hunts wouldnt end in 3 minutes.

>>713046260
fucking retard

They should remove farms from all modern MH games it takes away the skill of learning the maps and making efficient gathering sets and grinding routes for basic items like flash bombs :^)

>>713040727 (OP)
Should I buy Rise for cheap or do I just ignore Capcom like always

>>713049530
NightReign is a better game than Wilds. Looks like it has a way higher player retention.

>>713049684
Yes saar redeem the NightReign

>>713049435
Not using the Seikret isn't a self imposed challenge though? You're bitching about something trivial.
They wanted an open world MH game and they have the Seikret for that to let you move around the world faster. Their failure is on making shit small maps and focusing on a story mode for an open wolrd game. The fucking mount isn't something to bitch about and it does its job properly.

>>713049050
What are you talking about? GU was the best game ever made

>>713049451
All shitty points
>People gravitate towards a series for having extremely deliberate gameplay where you need to choose each action with a lot of intentionallity
>Speed it all up, make everything cancel into everything, make it control like every other game, the exact games people were choosing to play this game instead of
>People get mad.

Being able to aim your GS 3charge is something they've added long before wilds and it was already a mistake. The original games gave the monsters WAY less HP and you had to hit them far fewer times, but each hit did a far greater % of their HP, making every hit far more exciting, long recovery times on actions also meant monsters could pose a threat to you with basic moves.

Now monsters have massive bloated HP bars to the point that even though the hunts are only 5 minutes long, they still feel boring because you're just nonstop DPS uptime mashing your weapon into the monster constantly, and low recovery time means you can easily dodge any followup attack the monster does, meaning the series can only pose a challenge by making unassuming attacks into cheap one-shots (something they started doing in GU, SB and the 8*s in wilds are also really bad for this, IB just gave everything giant instakill nukes instead).

>>713049630
Bring back non-reusable tools too. I want the bug nets,pickaxes, and RNG materials on gathering spots back. They're perfect for an open world game.

i mean i only started playing the game pretty recently and the one gripe i have is that they railroad you into these talking segments all the time and i'm like no i literally do not care about the story

>>713049793
There is literally zero reason to ever not be on the mount when you're not in combat, thats the entire point. The world exists for the mount to traverse, everything is designed at that scale. The maps are twice as big but you move twice as fast and points of interest are twice as far apart from each other. So the end result is that exploring on foot feels horrible and you never really wander around the maps, just beeline it to the monster on your mount.

>>713049467
I've also been wanting to try NGS again after craving some Phantasy Star, but I don't think they've added any meaningful content besides the usual stuff

>>713049909
See
>>713048563
>>713048394
>>713048318

World is better, also been emulating GU at 4k/120fps

What's the point of making games catered specifically to win TGA?
The only reason I can think of is Ryozo and co. desperately wanting to win GOTY so they can get their 15 minutes of fame on stage at TGA, forever cementing them into the annals of gaming history. Even if it means costing them their golden goose's reputation

>>713050050
>you never really wander around the maps, just beeline it to the monster on your mount
That's what you do after you've done your bit of exploring it for the first time and having to gather materials before you've unlocked farms? Let's not kid ourselves and think that previous games don't end up with you beelining for your target monster once you've prepared your stuff. I mean maybe except Rise since you need to hunt down those fucking spiritbirds for buffs.

>>713040952
Itsuno's Folly wasn't worth sinking more money into.

>>713042717
Doesn't help the fucking anti-soul fog destroys any resemblance of color in the game. Plus RE engine's HDR sucks so much game still look bad with it

>world sells well because of franchise legacy combined with increased popularity of gaming
>retard devs think it sold well because of the changes they made
>double down on the changes they made to the franchise and destroy everything that made it good

game still sold well because of monhun legacy but the next game will flop

The only reason why it has poor reviews and player numbers is because it runs like ass
normalfags don't care about casualized gameplay or shitty story or systems direction, shit, look at everyone who praises World

>>713049909
Focus mode won't make you hit a monster that moved out of the way and weapon recovery times are the god damn same regardless of it you actual disingenuous faggot. You're just complaining its not clunky anymore so you don't get to feel special.

>>713050335
Adding to this, even the end game fights end up as just designated areas, or even arenas you fight the monsters in.

>>713050385
Discord link sister?

>>713050418
>>world sells well because of franchise legacy combined with increased popularity of gaming
World sold because there was a drought on new good AAA multiplayer games and since they hadn't made a game for PC in so long people were eager to se what they had been missing out on. The answer was not much.

They fucked the hitstop, GS feels like shit.

>>713050856
Oh also china. China had been building steam on steam since like 2012 and by 2015 it was terminal. They're the reason pubg was a success

>>713040727 (OP)
They fell for the story-focus meme and now they are facing the consequences
And the slow pace of TU combine with how lacking they are isn't helping either

>>713040727 (OP)
Monster Hunter has been getting worse with every generation since the 2nd. The fans knew this, Capcom knew this. They did the only reasonable move they could do. They cashed out to western normalfags. It payed out hugely with World.
But that's the thing, cashing out to normies only works once. They got that shine and recognition with World. It was all downhill from there.

>>713049630
I unironically agree and think that Freedom introducing Farms was a crutch. The PS2 game online was the best game in the series.

>>713042142
>Further it by adding wounds that you can pop for massive damage and free staggers
rise had this too
>wyvern ride
>deal massive damage
>monster gets knocked down
>deal massive damage
>place frog
>goes to sleep
>wakeup for massive damage
>put down spider
>ride monster into walls for massive damage, gets knocked down
>deal massive damage
>put down another frog to paralyze or knockdown blast
>deal massive damage
>bring another monster for massive damage and another knockdown
>slam monster into wall for massive damage and knockdown
>if you have palico/dog, they sleep + para the monster for massive damage again
>then the palico uses kittenator to knock down for massive damage again
>pitfall trap for more damage
>shock trap for more damage
>flash bomb x3 if in mid-air for more damage during small knockdown
>if npc hunters, 1-4 more traps for more damage throughout the fight
>if afflicted, pop pimples for free damage and free knockdowns and monster stalls periodically throughout fight
ahh now the fight has TRULY started

>>713049630
The Farm was fine in Freedom 1 & 2, learning how to use it was a skill gap in itself. The """Farm""" in 3rd gen onwards wasn't a farm anymore. It was just a menu you navigate to multiply items.

>>713040727 (OP)
Rise + Sunbreak is on sale for $15 on Xbox.
Should I take the plunge?

So who actually uses focus mode to "reposition". I'd always forget to use focus mode outside of some weapons.
GS is the only one where I remember to use it so I don't miss hits especially when the monster gets toppled, or to actually have it miss when the monster starts sleeping. Other times I use it to shift directions it misses unless the monster stays still.
Guns always had focus mode obviously.
IG has a little bonus for using focus mode to make your kinsect attack with you.

>>713052424
Risebreak is kino

The whole game is extremely watered down. Nothing appealing about it. The world doesn't feel like a real world at all. It feels like an arcade backdrop where you follow the shiny arrow to the monster. It is exactly what people THINK World is. Trash.

>>713042445
never buy a game off the promise friends will play it, ive been burned a bunch

>>713049435
Speaking of mandatory options, been ages.
Anyone has all the mandatory options for worlds or links to a guide for it or anything? Shit like never sheath auto is obvious to me.

>>713052583
this games code is pure slop, ive only lasted as long as i have because of titty mods

>>713052424
Do you want to play more monster hunter or not?

>>713042445
lol mine played it for one day then kept saying "uh yeah we'll play again in a few days."
He's not touched it since.

monster hunter is overrated and is just hyped by loners who thinnk clunky design is good

>>713040727 (OP)
Capcom decided to make a Monster Hunter game not targeted at Monster Hunter fans. Ryozo is retarded and should be demoted.

>completely gut the game's identity alienating long-time fans
>the casuals you scarified the soul of your franchise for stopped playing after 30 hours and moved on to the next FOTM and will likely never be returning

And then the heap of performance issues.

>>713040727 (OP)
>What happened?
They made World 2, and World is a bad game so of course World 2 would be bad as well.
They then included a bunch of half assed gimmicks that make it so you can't play the game, and when you are finally allowed to play the game you find out those gimmicks ensure it's not a smooth experience.

The end result is a movie game with occasional segments where you play a choppy generic ARPG for like 4 minutes since that's all monster live for, and it doesn't even play like monster hunter anymore thanks to what is essentially z-target strafing movement which is the opposite of what MH is supposed to be.

>>713053296
>half assed gimmicks that make it so you can't play the game
like what?
>z-target strafing movement
what mechanics is this?

>>713040727 (OP)
They should have just made another expansion for World. Instead they made a game that World fans don't like, Monster Hunter fans don't like, and one that first timers thought was just "okay" and have already moved on. Lagiacrus and Seregios are not going to save this game, no matter how much they hype up the TU showcase.

>>713040727 (OP)
>let's make a monster hunter game for people who don't like monster hunter
>wtf why is everyone not buying the dlc?

>tendies are our most loyal players so what if we make a game for everyone except them?

>he boughted

capcom lost a customer for life.
ain't ever buying one of their shit games again.
they probably don't even care that everyone hates the game because 10 million people still bought the game.

>>713040727 (OP)
Will they save it with an expansion?

>>713054801
I liked wilds, its fun.

TRVTH NVKE: Monster Hunter was only good in 3rd & 4th gen. 1st & 2nd gen are unplayably janky and 5th & 6th gen are unbearably casualized.

>>713040727 (OP)
No endgame.
Horrific optimization.
Monsters are piss-easy to fight.
Dumbed-down gameplay and controls.

>>713040952
This and for sacrificing the core MH fanbase on the altar of casualized Westernized story slop

>>713042143
>community managers who are feeding them absolute bullshit or something
>and by trying to appeal to people who don't like the franchise
Doom The Dark Ages comes to mind.

>>713046683
PoE2 just needs more content and crafting options early on. MH Wilds is a horrendous looking game that is inferior to its predecessors. The two are not remotely comparable.

>>713055029
It's insane to me how basically everyone was annoyed with World's story structure and Capcom apparently made Wild's worse. Like fucking how.

this tells me they don't know what they are doing

>>713044082
at some point you accept people are not going to stop being poor, just check the recent reviews, they all complain about optimization, which don't get me wrong I get it, but it's already well-known you need a good card to play the game decently.

>>713041440
Sold on the reputation
Then they changed everything that gave them they reputation
This is known as the Bethesda gambit, where community goodwill and desire to purchase is a resource you can trade for easy money by making a shit game, cashing in your reputation at the process
When that resource dwindles, suddenly game quality will improve, and so begins another cycle

>>713056795
>This is known as the Fromsoft gambit
Ftfy

>>713040727 (OP)
More player than risetrash

>>713040727 (OP)
They turn it into god of war walking talking sim targeted to westoids

>>713054997
3rd gen is meh and 2nd gen is good but other than that this is unironically true

>>713043789
Cinematic * story has no place in a Monster Hunter game
An excuse plot, and plot reasons to suddenly access new zones, and lots of world building via NPC dialogue, is how it should be
Not mandatory corridor walking sections and cutscene bullshit to the max or THE REMOVAL OF MONSTER HUNTER LANGUAGE so they can have fully voice acted protagonist for their gay movie game
You know one of the things I enjoyed doing in all Monster Hunter games was walking around talking to the NPCs and in Wilds most of the NPCs can't even be talked to
They may as well be lifeless animated objects for what they add to the game world

>>713057005
Yeah at the end of the day at least it’s still much better than Risebreak

The amount of astroturfing for this game on release was ridiculous. I hate Capcom so fucking much.

>>713040727 (OP)
Buncha dudes got banned and left negative reviews. Also the most recent patch made performance worse and apparently was causing the game to crash for some users.

>>713044082
>just give us money you bloody bastard bitch
You should be able to spot this shit.

>a jew a jeet and a bulldyke lead you around to do their shitwork to help the heckin displaced native peoples
>all in glorious 30 FPS with vasaline AI smear
yeh
nah
fuck off

>>713048191
Clunky controls aren't something you have to learn, they are something you have to cope with
The idea that being able to face the direction you want to face is somehow a bad thing is absurd
Genuinely just "it's not the old thing so I don't like it"
Wilds combat is objectively better

>>713055853
>at some point you accept people are not going to stop being poor
...until the next major release where you start spamming it again

>>713040952
DD2 is unironically a better game than wilds

>>713041440
Resident evil 6 sold the most during the launch window too, people buy games off reputation. The fact wilds hasn’t sold 30 mil by now is telling

>>713049435
>flying gliding bird
>invisible walls everywhere
yeah no, seikret feels like a rejected concept from rise which had open maps that would have benefitted from the extra level of traversal, probably added via the DLC where you got a great cohoot flying mount
they're just hideous in wilds, it's like they took the glider mantle and tail raider mechanics and combined them without changing the maps to make that necessary
while also salivating at the thought of RDR2 audience and the money in their wallet

From what I gather about the issue, Wilds is supposed to be the successor of World but despite its record-breaking initial numbers, it massively failed to retain its player base and now the old game is more active than the new one that seems to be bleeding players non-stop.

>t. I don't even know what MH is about

>>713057732
This is why everything that turns out to be a flop, brags specifically about
>Best/Fastest launch ever
>Most sold game within a tiny timeframe right after release(counting preorders)
>Most successful launch of franchise ever

>>713057603
Wilds combat is objectively worse, focus turned an extremely deep third person action game with a high skill ceiling and individual skill expression into essentially a casual hero shooter against bots

>>713056920
Fromsoft has not had the same kind of crash in reputation.
>(as much as anons on /v/ would like to think so)

>>713057603
The thing is the controls weren’t clunky, you were just bad. This is monster hunter. This isn’t some niche 1 mil total sales series. A game with “clunky controls” doesn’t have tens of millions of sales across the series. Focus mode completely fucks how the game plays. It’s the type of control scheme fucking phone games use

>>713057881
Focus lets you face the direction you want to face....that's literally all it does
You don't have to fight with old clunky controls anymore, you still have to position yourself right, aim right, and time right, you just don't have to fight against the jank to do so
The fact you genuine boomers are complaining about literally just being able to face where you want to face is insane to me
Genuinely just hating on the new thing because it's not like the old thing, never mind that it's objectively better, it's not like the old bad thing, therefore it's bad

>>713050560
Focus mode does extend the movement of the hunter though, just by turning on focus mode many attacks have the hunter lunge forward compared to not being in focus (LS is like this)

>>713057660

Well you've got until then to get a job and buy a real computer, so get to work faggot.

>>713058065
>Focus lets you face the direction you want to face....that's literally all it does
Focus lets you pin point aim your strikes like it’s a shooter.

Shooters (especially single player ones) balance the ability to aim with great accuracy through various means. Typically the weak spot of an enemy is very very very small (like the head, or a joint on a necromorph, etc), and usually there’s hordes of small enemies. Often times they throw in a limiting factor of slower movement and some sort of ammo conversation mechanic. Monster hunter, is not set up this way, where you fight giant enemies. Focus completely breaks the game

>>713058065
This is a bot or a paid marketer. They always parrot the clunky line line. See
>>713058026
Monster hunter isn’t fucking niche. It’s not clunky, it’s sold tens of millions.

>>713058065
>you still have to position yourself right, aim right, and time right
No, you literally do not. Which is why the game is un-engaging which is why the player retention is utterly atrocious

>>713058065
The minute you land a focus attack on a wound the monster stops moving while you finish your gay special snowflake attack
Even if the monster just turned completely around and you managed to clip a wound right as it did so, the monster stops in place as you finish the animation and then is hit for big damage and knocked down
Bullshit mechanic for a bullshit game
Should have been a gimmick for a new weapon, new set of items, or just a new monster or biome thing, not applied wholesale to every fucking thing
And focus letting you aim changes a long running design style and thus corrodes a franchise at the core, not that fags like you care about that, you just live to consume product and move on to next product, the easier and homogenised it gets the faster you can move onto the next one

>>713058221
>already doing it again
that "acceptance" stage didn't last long huh

>>713042717
I hope they add a proper snow region in Master Rank or make another big ass Guiding Lands/Citadel map with multiple biomes because Iceshard Cliffs sucks so hard. I really hate this weather system too because 2/3 times the maps look ugly as hell.

>>713058338
Actually this widely beloved series that sold millions and millions is bad but the new one everyone fucking hates is good because I’m Indian and they pay me pennies on the dollar

>Everyone quit because of, and only because of, my personal autistic reason.
>Says retarded autistic faggot.

>>713054997
freedom unite would be literally perfect if it had more monster variety and i say that as someone who started with world and worked backwards

>>713058456
The act of hitting a draw slash on greatsword in FU on a toppled enemy is more engaging than fighting AT rey, unironically

>>713057265
you wish
rise is still too japanese for the ameriloid audience that wilds attracted

>>713058505
>so angry he forgot to reply
>his next post will claim it was intentional

>>713041158
I think people wanted grind toned down to some extent, they just took it way too far, do away with rare items not with total amount of common items needed

>THE MURDERERS OBVIOUSLY A BIG GAY RETARD
>dumb nigga stands up and screams YOU DONT KNOW THAT!

>>713058656
The issue wasn’t that it was Japanese, it was the graphics. Trying to get people to buy a new MH game that’s a full generation behind graphically was always gonna be a tough sell to people that started with World.

>>713057603
>The idea that being able to face the direction you want to face is somehow a bad thing is absurd
How the fuck were you ever unable to face where you wanted in the old games? Monster hunter actually uses analog movement to its fullest precisely because you can't just braindead point it forwards and forget about it because you're locked to the camera and the camera is locked to your target.
Your ability to position your Lance or Greatsword in the older games was literally a skill you had to hone, but now you just press a button and its literally no different than any generic third person shooter out there. This singular mechanic quite literally killed the satisfaction of landing a properly placed hit and surprise surprise, the combat is no longer so satisfying on its own that people want to put hundreds of hours into it like the old games.

fuck you hes cool actually
>but muh realism
you can literally make rocket fuel out of water if you run electricity through it
this really isint much of a leap with an unknown element that reacts violently with oxygen (see deviljhos breath attack)

>>713051967
Most of this is from Worldborne.

>>713057663
This isn't an unpopular opinion

>>713058065
>complaining about literally just being able to face where you want to face
THAT WAS ACHIEVED BY MOVING THE ANALOG STICK IN A DIRECTION THAT WASN'T FORWARDS
YOU FUCKING NIGGER WE WERE ALL ABLE TO PERFECTLY FACE EXACTLY WHERE WE WANTED TO FACE BUT YOU'RE TOO GOD DAMN TRAINED BY MODERN GAMES THAT ONLY HAS YOU TITL THE ANALOG FORWARDS FOR 99.9% OF THE TIME BECAUSE THE CAMERA DOES ALL THE WORK FOR YOU

>>713059260
Moving characters in a 3D space with an analog stick is clunky now

why did it flop?

>>713042717
First game where I hate the desert, I love the deserts in this series, how the fuck they fucked it up so bad

>>713042142
They remove the KILL MOSNTER, TURN PARTS INTO WEAPON for a fucking cancer MMO tier raid where the best weapon drop is 0.0000001%. Fuck them

I knew the game felt off from the reveal when the trailer didn't btfo my ass like world reveal did. They killed everything that makes monster hunter monster hunter. Maps with no purpose made with no love or care. Fights all the same since positioning is dead just slap the monster until it dies... Missing a level 3 charge in the old games was annoying as fuck now it's like whatever.

Also my God the fucking GRAPHICS look like shit even on ps5 pro. Blurry mess with an ugly colour pallet. Even when the textures load what's the difference between the blob that is uth duna and the oil nigger they are just fucking BLOBS where's the design what the fuck

>>713060004
>broke boy crying about graphics
uh ohhhhhh
>also hates women and minorities
welp
chud opinion discarded

>>713055762
>please give us feedback
X Y Z is objectively and quantifiably an issue with the game
> no u rong updat shdrs giv us mooneh

Fuck these ugly slant eyed gooks. Hope selling your assholes to Blackcock was worth it.

>>713060004
I think you're right, but the hint that they'd design the Wilds the way they did was clear as day in World

I just hope MH6P is good and gets simultaneous PC launch atp.

the origin of this Focus mode shit can be pinpointed right at World with them adding unnecessary, dogshit directable slashes to 片手剣

>>713046260
>>713045741
>muh graphic
Nigger wilds boosted rise/SB because wilds is so fucking boring and ugly.

>>713040727 (OP)
they cashed in on the normalfags with World
retention for iceborne was laughable initially, that alone tells you how much of the World audience was current thing locusts

to those who havent you really need to look at the fronteir monsters since there is both unironically great designs but also just hilarious shit like
>nintendo wii homescreen rathalos
>his extremely black wife that the guild dosent know what the fuck it is so its literally just called it Unknown
>a fire diablos you play hot potato with
>the crimson fatalis that just literally burns everything in the arena and is completely unliveable if you dont have the right gear and healing
>the khezu that sends you into cardiac arrest where you have to be resuscitated by another player or you immediately cart

>>713060338
which mh on the left

>>713060773
Is it worth getting into frontier?

>>713060689
im so tired of seeing this retarded opinion
wilds is not world 2
world 2 would be great
wilds is just shit
you can say its "inspired" by world, insofar as it took what world was doing
and ran the wrong way like forrest gump

mhfags gaslighted themselves to think world was good and anything pre world was bad, it's your own fault really
At least rise felt some offshoot of world thats actually fast and interesting but not really classic monhun, now all you get is world but somehow more casualized, more blurry muddy visuals, more garbage story people don't care about.

retards defending no potion flex was the beginning of it

>>713041112
>no endgame
I will never forgive 4U for introducing the cancer that is endgame to the series.

>>713060854
Yes but avoid the community as they talk like cringe redditors >>713060773

>>713061054
nigger

>>713060791
probably 4U

>>713060930
Wilds is 100% World 2, you're just now realizing that World's direction and foundation were garbage that would eventually lead to this. Be glad your eyes were opened instead of doubling down.

>Abandon your fanbase to appeal to trannies, faggots and Indians
>Make the game so poorly optimized the indian devs can't play it on the Dell Optiplex 4600s they used to port the game

>>713061102
You sure do type like one

I watched my friend play. It looked cool.
But honestly the fights still took too long
I played wilds? For like 2 hours then quit. Taking 15 minutes to kill one thing is boring af

The most fun in the game that we both agreed on was when he was mulching through the little animals. Like crocodile's

People say the series became casualised with world which is hilarious considering the portable games were initially a casualisation and further on the Nintendo shit era.

They've stripped everything. Intentionality was the biggest... Preparation for a hunt... You have limited slots and monster carves and items take those up. Will you need to bring sonic bombs or should you just use the free guild provided ones and stock up on more honey and potions. Will you build for raw dps or will you build for survivability. Getting a good meal at the cats could be make or break... Now you get everything basically always. Great sword was the king of learning, patience and intentionality now it doesn't even matter if you're facing the monster when you can 180 moonwalk triple charge to the head at the last second.
Deciding to do a little gathering before a hunt meant knowing the world state and what was where when... Now you don't even need to care just let the sekriet auto run and mash gather anything but you don't even ever need to.

Capturing monsters.... Intention. Prepare extra tools that take up precious slots but make the fight slightly shorter with better drops.
Wave to the balloon, drink a psycoserum or at least learn where the monster may be. You had to at least do one of these you didn't just press X to monster location. Each locale was distinct and even though tiny felt larger and as part of a cool area. You could see the mountain you'd head up from zone 1 to zone 12 and it felt good

>>713061521
>I played wilds?
Sorry it was worlds that I played.
Man I wish I could have gotten a refund on that piece of shit

>>713040727 (OP)
let's see:
>5 minute hunts
>easy as shit
>worst performance ever
fuckin dropped it

>>713061563
Zoomers don't want to do any of that shit bruh
Just let me go kill monsters that take 2 minutes max

>>713060930
there is no world 2 because you can not recapture the same audience a second time, they no longer give a shit
like I said, they already no longer gave a shit when iceborne came out

It's just like Skyrim, it was a game in the right place at the right time and it did irreparable damage to the franchise by signaling that they need to strive for the western movie experience casuals even harder

>>713040952
They won though, they got your money and mh is too big to fail now. The expansion will sell gangbusters

>>713061563
3rd gen was a shift towards casualization for sure but it was nowhere near as dramatic as 5th gen

>>713061649
then its not really for you? Why do normalniggers insist on games being dumbdown to their attention level instead of going and finding a different game that fits it?
t. zoomer

>>713061912
3rd and 4th also introduced underwater and aerial combat to counterbalance casualization in other aspects.

>>713040727 (OP)
Peaked with Rise.
Sad to see.

>>713057732
Resident Evil 6 is permanent ammo against any shills for any game. That game nearly killed the RE franchise forever it was that bad. People pretend it doesn't exist.

>>713062079
Because I want to play it and they should just make the game good instead of targeting autistic retards like you who want games as a second job

>>713040727 (OP)
Too casual for old fans and the new target audience played for few hours and left.

He’s better than Arch Rey Dau.

>>713040727 (OP)
Loved by fans and new more matured audience
Hated by gachagrindfags

>>713062220
Lmao more like died with rise
Wilds is bad but not as bad as rise lol

>>713059198
you're insane, the monster spends 90% of the time in rise on the ground

Rise would be the perfect monster hunter game if the monsters could climb walls and ledges instead of throwing rocks at you from a distance like a little bitch.

>>713062838
>instead of throwing rocks at you from a distance like a little bitch.
most dont even give a shit and will just swipe at the wall and knock you down no matter where you are

>>713040727 (OP)
the game is stuck with a fanbase that refuses changes. leading to unappealing, samey products

I definitely have complaints about endgame, but in retrospect I've had problems with most MonHun games. I don't think Wilds is exceptionally bad in this way. Wilds problem is the absolute dogshit PC port. World's wasn't good either but Wilds is seriously one of the worst in recent memory. Like 75% of the target audience can't even run the game at anything above 480p60 (w/ framegen). It's ridiculous.

And looking at the game, what's going on in the engine, etc, with some expertise under my belt on these things, it's incredibly easy to tell this will never be fixed. RE Engine is just horrible for open world

>>713062838
Rise could be the best MH if it didn’t have spiribirds and the stupid infinite restocking + non-commital healing + wirefall to tank the difficulty ceiling

>>713061258
Except world was fun despite flaws, wilds is pure trash.
I say was but wilds sucked so I played 4U and had fun, now since few days I made new worlds save to play switch axe since I never did it and shock, I have fun.

>>713063160
Wirefall is fine as it depletes your arts and thus your dps/utility moves. It needs to consume two charges though.

>>713062370
>mogged by a D team FROM devteam riddled with inexperienced retards that used 1 map utilizing reused assets
Capcom lost to this,

It's really simple
The non autistic crowd doesn't keep playing the same game over and over again

>>713061258
you are a dipshit retard
ive got 1200 hours i world
i gave up on wilds in 10
everything worlds did that could be expanded on
wilds took it
shit on it
and kicked it down the stairs while yelling at it about refugees and women

>>713049451
>>713050163
The old games were designed from the ground up around the "clunkiness" (challenging controls). The series wouldn't have got popular if people actually hated them, and it goes to shit as soon as they start streamlining the foundations.

>>713040727 (OP)
it does absolutely not matter because they fucking banked with this game. highest numbers and peaks. if i were them i might as well would stop updating it now.

>>713064404
>Highest numbers
At launch, this is the first multiplatform simultaneous release. Everyone that buys Capcom games knows they make their money long term through sales and this game has no longevity whatsoever.

>>713064164
You know it's fucked when even Frontier Extreme style has more limitations

rice is shit
sunbreak is goated kino

>>713049630
The Wilds farm is already halfway there since it's complete dogshit

>>713040727 (OP)
Even skipping the performance issue(my computer can handle it) they removed to much friction between hunts, hunts are to short and the biggest mistake of them all was artian weapons

>>713040727 (OP)
World 2.0, no one wanted another MHWorld with less content and more shit pajeet story

>>713042717
i like the desert during the season of plenty but other than that I agree

>>713063259
>>713063586
It is the exact same story driven, open world, forced walking, piss fucking easy game. Your problem is that unlike World this isn't your first MH game so the "magic" is mysteriously gone for you and you're still too young to understand why, but fucking all of us who have been with this series for years called out World for this garbage long ago yet all you faggots could ever do was show sales numbers in response.

In previous games people would mostly grind challenge quests in the endgame, and Wilds has zero to do aside from limited time Arena quests. It doesn't even have a Rathalos/Rathian quest

>>713042717
Iceshard Cliffs is the worst snow map in the series and it's not only because it's ugly.

>>713059195
the single coolest monster in monster hunter.

>>713067191
>no hr 100 quest
>no all optionals done final quest
>no arena until tu1, also only consists of chatacabra and rathian, no monster of every rank
>no rainbow pigment
seriously though what the fuck?

>>713062260
Not an argument.

>>713051967
that Rise cope
World had you drop some rocks on a monster for 10% of its total health. Let alone turf wars, ledgespam attacks, wallbangs and allowing the player to have 4x as many skills as any MH before.
Attacking monsters on ground or trapped is in every fucking monster hunter game retard.

Thanks for admitting World crashed and burned this series.

>>713051967
Anon you have to be autistic as shit to actually play like that

>>713042717
They actually wasted 6 years developing the worst maps in the series

>>713059336
you know you can overlay the curves

>>713068803
too lazy for that

>>713068803
wilds doesn't deserve any effort

>>713042913
can't wait for the next DMC or Lost Planet

>>713068803
>>713068854
>>713068938
good example for over hyped

>>713069013
forgot pic

>>713042142
We neeto gaijin baka wold money

>>713069080
what caused that player spike for world? was there some concerted effort for people to return or something?

>>713068854
>>713068938
it's easier than looking up both graphs and concatting them
retard

monhan wilds would still average around 1 million players if the game was better designed in terms of gameplay and optimization

How come capcom ports all their old games or remasters them all the time for their other games like Street Fighter and Resident Evil but never ONCE do with monster hunter? Wilds was shit I just want them to port MHFU/MH4U onto steam or make a remaster

Idk I haven't played it

>>713040727 (OP)
I remember back when they were called Japanese Call of Duty

World was my first game. Back then I was super into trophy hunting so I probably spent 100 or so hours doing the gold crown trophies, so I felt like there was a lot to do back then even in the base game. So what exactly went wrong with Wilds? Why does it feel so different like there’s boring to do? To be fair though I don’t care about trophy hunting anymore so I haven’t been collecting the gold crowns.

>>713069138
in the leadup to wilds they literally did a "hey lets all play mh world again" event and players just... did it
they set a new concurrent player count too

>>713042143
They are constantly casting a bigger net to catch as many new customers as possible. Line has to go up, and they believe casualizing the game and focusing so much in story will help them with that

>>713069151
>wilds this close to rise
lmao if rice overtakes it how would capcom react

>>713047015
Ecology is good if you actually design the gameplay around it. With the player having to exploit specific behaviours of their targets and use the environment against them, because fighting them head on would be too difficult. But Crapcom just keeps making the core combat more braindead with each entry, so you can't really achieve that now can you

Pragmata will save Capcom.
I'm not being ironic. It actually looks good.

>>713069704
you can clearly see it already dipped below Rise. Probably during chinese sleeping hours

well the game is a fucking mess on every single aspect and I'm still mad at drones mass buying it and reinforcing capcoms shit behaviour. The franchise will never recover

>>713069151
>Game has giga high PC requirements
>People play it on console instead

These comparisons don’t even make sense to use, Rise and World both came out console first with PC as late adopters

>>713040952
>rushing and abandoning DD2
It was in development for at least 5 years, with ideas and concepts being kicked around for 7 years before that. Rushed my ass.

>>713070921
>The over one million player just decided to buy themselves a PS5 + the game again to play it there.
astronomical cope

>>713040727 (OP)
Modern CAPCOM games just have zero staying power. They design games to be consumed and forgotten.

>>713069624
Exactly this. They saw how well World did by watering down the gameplay a bit and throwing in tons of cutscenes, so they think "more story = more sales." But what they don’t get is that most veteran hunters don’t want a Monster Hunter soap opera, they want challenging hunts, deep mechanics, and meaningful progression — not 20-minute monologues from Yet Another Quirky Handler™. Wilds is peak boardroom game design.

>>713040727 (OP)
All they need to do is collab with Nightreign and put Adel as a hunt to have fromsloppers bolster it’s embarrassing player count

>>713071268
No it’s more likely a shitload of people bought it on PC and found they can’t play it so they dropped it really fast

>>713069624
Well doesn't look like it's working that well. The game seems to have stagnated at 10M for 4 months now and that's way less than World and Rise. Even Sunbreak has surpassed that recently, due to how shit Wilds was.

>>713040727 (OP)
Apologise to Dragons Dogma 2.

>>713042717
Wilds visuals are awful. I don't care about fidelity if the game is ugly because of it.

>>713071507
>very fast
and they somehow still picked it back up after the first TU.
Next you are going to say they did so just to check if they fixed performance. So they didn't even moved to consoles.

People had an entire playtest to see if this turd worked, and the playtest had more peak players than World

>>713069265
Pretty sure the cocksucker calling the shots for monhun basically said he didn’t want old monhun to represent current monhun ever

>>713042717
The maps are so fucking bad. I can't get over how bad the maps are. In fact, they are so bad they kill my motivation to hunt.

>>713072009
because all the current monster hunter fans are casual babies who wouldn't last a normal kutku fight from back in the day

>>713040727 (OP)
You think this is bad? In the weekly famitsu charts you can see it barely move 2k per week and it is 150k away from the 1mil milestone every other monhun broke easily.

>>713061023
it's not just 4u, they always wanted players to play for thousands of hours but they realized the frontloaded retarded hr grinds were crippling the playerbase so they switched it to the end of the game, if you ever play mh1 and 2 you'll understand what i mean
if i have to choose retarded endgame grind, or retarded entire game grind, i'll take endgame, shame we can't just have portable progression though with no retarded grinds (outside of kill count reqs I guess)

>>713071987
TU1 did not come anywhere close to initial peak and a lot of people coped that full release would have better performance because it was an old build

>>713072510
the point isn't that player numbers drop, that happens in all games. Wilds started with 5 times as many players and now struggles to keep up with Rise.
The peak was still way above World at that time.
Sidenote; Rise was already at the end of its patch cycle on pc release (a game most hard up fans already played on Switch), so nothing to raise those numbers until SB. It's pretty grim

The conclusion is simple, Capcom achieved their goal in attracting a fotm crowd. They just haven't figured how to do content drip feed, which only exist so they can promote some dlc anyway.

>>713072964
>Wilds started with 5 times as many players and now struggles to keep up with Rise.
On PC. Where people outright can’t run the game. It’s not meaningful, I would bet even now Rise has more players on Switch, do you think the people on Switch Rise outnumber the people on PS Wilds? I seriously doubt it.

>>713042913
DD sucked and its sequel sucking was not a surprise to anybody with more than a single braincell.
You're absolutely retarded m8

Monster Hunter evolution looks suspiciously like Resident Evil,
6 is the most successful and divisive.
7 will be even more successful and everyone claps because its finally a different game.

>>713062453
>not as bad as rise lol
bro's a shit eating pajeet

>>713073502
we don't have to make guesses, we know that PC has become Capcom biggest market for MH so at least 50% of the players are on PC. This has nothing to do with Rise, even if only 10% of players are on PC it somehow managed to sustain a player base with a similar ratio to World (peak versus current players).
That they can't run the game is your guess, fact is that people played for quite a while if they supposedly can't run the game.

Wilds has no longevity. Even crown hunting is a fucking joke now, something only hard up fans even bothered with is now achievable in 100 hour playtime.
What do you do in a game where you achieved anything and you became so good at the game that fighting a monster means, it wriggles on the ground for 2min.
The whole story, the weather system and the little critter ecology was a waste of dev time. Not a single penny went into making more content.

>>713061882
Not from me

Still waiting on the 80% off to buy DD2 and MHWilds though

>>713073502
The fact that the game is so badly made barely anyone can run it is not meaningful?

>>713042142
>Can target loot now so everyone has their armor/weapon in a day
>No need to even bother with the autistic grind weapons

These 2 are good

>>713074595
The problem is that while the performance is a huge issue retards are looking at steam charts and then extrapolating ridiculous unsupported bullshit from it
>bro it’s dying because you don’t have to grind flash/thunderbugs in between hunts, it’s too streamlined
>you don’t have to position because you can aim your attacks (doesn’t even really make sense)
It just turns the entire conversation into dumb noise because people just want to say “everything in the game is bad” instead of actually looking at anything

aren't they doing a feedback survey at the moment? might have to reinstall to participate... capcom usually listens to that stuff

>>713053015
I wish Monster Hunter games were more gorey when you attack monsters

Ripping apart the faggot Super Saiyan monkey with blood and organs everywhere would be so cathartic

>>713058383
It's un-engaging because a lot of other reasons

wilds has no soul

>>713071569
>Well doesn't look like it's working that well
Of course, anyone with two braincells would have figured out that World's success due to it being the first MH to do all the following at the same time:
>release on appropriate system for its demographics
>release simultaneously in the West
>have graphics and presentation up to contemporary standards
>excellent trailers and marketing aimed at the Western audience
>open, visually impressive maps and technologically advanced monsters
>positive word of mouth from long time fans

The casualization and narrative WERE NOT key to its success, they were vestigial. They made the game that way because they were deliberately aiming it at a larger (western, thus dumb in the eyes of Jap autists) audience. But it would have sold the exact same amount of copies even if it was still as challenging as MH4 or MH3. It was lighting in a bottle.

https://www.monsterhunter.com/support/wilds/en/form/consent

link to contact form where you can leave feedback

>>713076070
>>release on appropriate system for its demographics
My dude, it had to change demographic.

>>713071569
its probably like DD2 and FF16. bad WoM kills legs. everyone bought in at peak hype but once words get out it quickly falls off

>>713040727 (OP)
Outdated business model. Title updates generate short-term interest but Wilds content drip is too slow for how piss easy the game is.

>>713040727 (OP)
I really miss material grinding. You want to try a new weapon or craft a new alternative armour? Enjoy collecting rare bugs and ores, go kill Rathalos 50 times for the one ruby but you need two too bad. Wilds idea with set bonuses is better than world, worse than rise but the reworked skill system makes it even more shallow. On top of this it takes a single hunt to get everything you need to craft something. Weapons? All just Artian and min/maxing them is not fun.

>>713040727 (OP)
>focus on story and le open world
>everyone goes back to world and rise because story doesn't work in mh and the open world sucks ass
color me shocked

>>713040727 (OP)
It's garbage unfinished live service slop

>>713040727 (OP)
>lean too heavily into accessibility, compromising core aspects of the franchise
>make the game the easiest game yet
>lacks content to pursue besides a cheap gacha weapon gambling mechanic
>fuck up the performance bad
>don't improve the performance
>don't even acknowledge that there's something wrong
I could go on but I just don't even care enough to rant about what a piece of shit this game is

>>713040952
>failure
Chinks and normalfags ate it up like candy though. Unless Crapcom is worried about the brand image, the next MH game will be dumbed down, ugly and story focused like this.

>>713076838
you and all the other neets who need thousands of hours of mindless grinding are beyond hopeless

>>713077194
That's what MH has always been about before they casualized it. The reason why modern MH sucks is cause they wanted to appeal to faggots like you.

Making an open world type monster hunter but also giving you an autopilot mount that drives you around the map has to go down as on of the dumbest design decisions ever.

They even mark every damn material and item on the map from the start. Oh a rare item spawned, click it on the map and let your autopilot take you there.

No need to learn maps, or even look at the fucking world they crafted, no reason to engage with the world.

Like how the fuck do you do these things? It's really beyond my comprehension.

>>713040952
fpbp

>Focus on story, because we all know we played Monster Hunter for the story
>Remove lots of stuff from the game to make it easier for knuckle draggers so they can get more sales
>Lots of cosmetic dlc shit again
>Return of time gated event quests when people shat on it in World
>Deco Grind
>Monsters are the easiest they have ever been and may aswell be punching bags
>Free whistle for your invincible mount when you are in trouble
>Auto pilot mount to the boss so you can scroll tik tok like the zoomers they are
>No elder monsters at all
>No challenge what so ever
>No reason to gather for anything as quests will give you everything you need
>Shills will just call this "qol"
>Focus mode which is a free stagger
>Focus mode for retards who cant fathom having to pre position.
>Less monsters than Monster Hunter 1 on PS2
>Ran like shit on anything that wasn't a 5090.
World was the beginning of the end, wilds was the nail in the coffin.

>>713072350
Deserved, they made a fotm game and now are seeing the repurcusions. Should've focused on meaningful content rather than story. Normalfags will play your game for a month, fans will play it for years

>>713077629
>greater focus on story
>write the exact same story as every other MH game
>specifically copy 4's story but with a worse final boss

>>713048394
animation lock retards can't be helped they will tell you that terrible controls are good game design

>>713077718
>Tell people you can skip the story
>Most of the story is in unskippable walking segments
This company deserves the failure for ruining Monster Hunter.

>>713077656
>Normalfags will play your game for a month, fans will play it for years
we really are seeing every old game that have been going for years and years all killing themselves to get that sweet sweet one off cash injection from the normies burn it all down to see a bump for a single quarter.

I'm just waiting for Capcom to finally optimize Wilds so I can play it on my toaster.

>>713042445
>friend bought it for me
I still felt ripped off after we beat the campaign in 2 play sessions

>>713077296
MH has never required thousands of hours of grinding ever except maybe Frontier (mmo garbage)

>>713049451
Don't care what secondary niggers like you think honestly

>>713077937
Sadly though, I doubt it will be anytime soon...

>>713042717
Ice cliff is obnoxious as fuck and wyveria is disappointing for the whole 'old civilization' setup

>>713078074
It's not my problem if you require thousand of hours to get two rubies. My point still stands. MH was about slapping monsters and craft armour and weapons out of their skin to fight other monsters. Taking away the whole material grind ruins it.

Bad performance, ungodly bad performance
Focus Mode feels great to use, but honestly is one of the major reasons this game is way too fucking easy
>>713042717
Also this, the maps really fucking suck.

Wilds current players: 11,290
Worlds current players: 16,709

What went so fucking wrong lmao

>>713047808
The maps are designed around riding them though. There are multiple paths you just can't access without it

>>713048421
God, fuck off you dishonest nigger

>>713040727 (OP)
>What happened?
No content. Not joking, shitposting, or dramatizing. It just has no content. My friends and I were so hyped for this but finished everything in just 2 weeks. I miss when Ryozo made World. That shit was cash.

We need to go back to Freedom Unite drop rates.

>>713041440
>Wilds is the best initially selling monster hunter.
Because is the next main game after World

>>713042717
Yes

>>713049326
They even made capturing monsters irrelevant and removed all the gathering aspects

>>713040727 (OP)
I don't care. I just want to hunt monsters.

>>713040727 (OP)
personally, I'm having a blast

Crapcom deserves it.

>>713078074
You can just admit you started with World where you didn't have to deal with the desire sensor.

>>713058065
>Focus lets you face the direction you want to face
>you still have to position yourself right

>>713076169
A lot of potential MH buyers stopped being interested once the series moved to Nintendo. MH as a concept/aesthetic appeals to gamers that are primarily found on PC, Xbox and PS.

I'm still playing sunbreak.

>>713079671
It sold the most on 3DS before World anon.

Stop with this cope.

risebreak won

>>713079827
In the West, MH4 sold a bit more than F2/FU thanks to a bigger marketing push.
That still doesn't change the fact that a lot of potential fans were not even looking at the series because it was stuck on consoles seen (in the west) as being for babies and casuals, no matter how good the MH games on those systems were.
If you can't grasp this simple concept, you're too far gone into the tendiezone I'm afraid

>>713079827
that was actually PSP and this was until GU where GU got immediately beaten by World.
Capcom didn't give a shit on what platform there are, just they cheapest shit on the market so they don't have to optimize their game.
As much shit you can give World it was the first game with any effort put into it on a technical level.

having a lot of fun with it still far away from having all armors and weapons, sorry that you are all mentally ill freaks who have to play everyday the whole day

Just started Iceborne for the first time after 400+ hours in World. I have a whole shitty expansion ahead, fuckloaded with content. Jelly?

>>713080750
good for you and your 5 /vg/ friends

>>713060773
What the FUCK is Google doing with my browser? Holy shit I'm scared, I read this post in my mind without saying anything on my mic or typing a single thing about it, and now I have 3 recommended Monster Hunter Frontier videos on Youtube from 11 years ago.
A couple of hours ago some /x/ anons said that Google is testing some shit that reads your mind to give you suggestions or promote products related to it, this is creepy as fuck.

>>713079671
>A lot of potential MH buyers stopped being interested once the series moved to Nintendo.
No, not at all ad you can see that in the sales being a consistent 4m range across the psp and 3ds titles with the one exception being P3rd, the best selling game that had a PS3 port to bolster the sales somewhat.
>MH as a concept/aesthetic appeals to gamers that are primarily found on PC, Xbox and PS.
PC yes, not so much Xbox and PlayStation where the name of the game is plot and visuals over gameplay and MHW changed to fit that demographic being a considerably easier and more casual focused game where your hunter wasn't just some rookie that ended up tackling a big problem but this master hunter who was selected to be a part of a elite team going to investigate the new world where strange things are happening.
Hell, world was the first, and I think only game since I haven't played wilds, to have a monster you can't kill because of the story but I'm getting into criticisms now.
The point is that that audience never existed on PlayStation home consoles, which is why it suddenly became a breakout hit on PSP without changing the core gameplay, it was already perfectly suited for portable systems.

>>713040727 (OP)
No MR no buy.
I'm not playing half of a game just for the rest of it to come out in a year.

>>713081459
They don't read your mind dummy. You opened a monster hunter thread on their browser, thats how they know.

>>713079671
Hard disagree, MH appeals to gameplay-first tendie fags

The problem with MH on Nintendo is prior to the Wii U (which no one owned) the controls were all absolute fucking garbage.

>>713082326
Wii controls were perfectly fine even though the motion controls were stupid it worked pretty well

>>713082071
But anon...I'm using Firefox, and if that's really the case it still creeps me out, they're checking your browser or search story (I do not use Google to search things on the Internet and I definitely do not use Youtube to watch MonHun videos) without your permission, this is fucked up.

>>713083158
Yeah, firefox literally just changed their terms and conditions to do that like two months ago.
>When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.

It's "wild" just how much better World is than this slop.

>>713040727 (OP)
>What happened?
Game is shit. No more needs to be said, honestly.

>>713060791
3U

>>713063384
fucking kek

>>713061258
everyone knew we were fucked when the devs stated that they took what made world good when they made wilds

>>713062370
both are garbage

>>713062370
How many new moves does he have, not sure if its worth jumping back for a single boss in a game without gear progression.

>>713083158
How do people this dumb still exists, the entirety of modernity exists for surveillance, data compilation, and predictive algorithms

>>713040727 (OP)
>Rerunning the AT Rey Dau quest one month after it released
Somebody clued these retard devs in that you can't employ World's FOMO tactics in a flop game that nobody plays anymore.

>>713061258
The only defense of wilds that is consistent is
>actually the old games were bad too
No, wilds is the bad one. World is good. FU is good. Rise is good. Tri and GU are good. The weakest game prior to wilds was 4U and would you look at that the spiritual sequel to 4U ends up being the worst

>>713040727 (OP)
Do the monsters in this game still run away like shit cunts you have to chase all over the map? I haven't played MH since the PSP days. I got tired of grinding carve rates and chasing these fuckers.

>>713040727 (OP)
It's been said to death already but the game is too streamlined in all the wrong ways, has no content, and frankly, just isn't fun to play.
>inb4 Rise also had no content at release
Rise was at least fun and gave you a reason to play. I played through launch regularly until about a week before the Title 1 update dropped and gave us Narwa.
Way more than what I can say of Wilds. Dropped this turd as soon as I beat the final boss and have no intention of going back.

>>713085336
Rise at launch was a lot worse the end game was RAMPAGE which was so ass and there wasn’t even armor layering.

>>713075034
Yeah it's weird they're not. MHFU was my first MH game and in that you could cleave those faggot dromes in half with your greatsword, and I assumed the series would become more gory on more powerful systems. It didn't. In fact it got less gory.

>>713085336
>I played through launch regularly until about a week before the Title 1 update dropped and gave us Narwa.
Wut. Anon, Narwa was in the base game.
You can't be talking about allmother either because that was T3

>>713086009
Both him and the poster below him didn't play Rise lmao

>>713086074
Narwa was not in at launch, the final boss was Ibushi as rampage only

>>713040727 (OP)
Ugly, runs like shit, no content, no challenge, half of the weapon roster got downgraded.

>>713086363
you realize normal Narwa existed

>>713085336
rise was garbage

>>713086363
Lmao

>>713086484
Maybe I’m remembering wrong but I distinctly remember people questioning the Ibushi armor because it was useless when you could only get that

>>713040727 (OP)
Abysmal performance issues. Literally the entire reason for the outright hate. Lack of content and challenge would be problems still, obviously, but there wouldn't be the outright hate there is now. PCheaters are feeling like second class citizens because Capcom is treating them as such.

>>713063384
>fromdrone acting like his shit stinks less
Both games are irredeemable trash.

>>713086620
>but I distinctly remember people questioning the Ibushi armor because it was useless when you could only get that
Seems like you've somehow gaslit yourself.

>>713052642
Happened to me with nightreign.
Shitty lesson to have to learn the hard way, but at least its learned now.

>>713086620
Rise endgame was farming Narwa.
Rise meta was mixed sets with Raj/Spio/Rath/Zin
Rise BiS weapons were Narga and elemental for Bow and DB
Each TU added some content that was suppose to be released in base game but covid along with re designing maps and systems fucked Ichinose's team over
By month 3 all TUs and content were out
Endgame consisted of farming monsters like older gens for charms
All Apex/nushi hunts outside rampage
Endgame Elders
The end

For me it's a Sunbreak.

>>713040727 (OP)
Actually unreal. What a disaster

>>713066825
Nah worlds is fine I played most MU games youre just a contrarian. Story a bit annoying but the game is pretty good and has fun maps to fight in.

>>713087076
Wilds is like if capcom asked chatGPT why world succeeded and just went with it without thinking at all

People like world because it was “cinematic”
>what this actually meant
The large breadth of gameplay mechanics would sometimes line up to create cool moments (something like a well timed attack cuts off a tail which triggers an ivy trap, etc) in organic ways
>what capcom thought
We need more forced story sections and non-gameplay where you walk slowly and listen to yapping

I look forward to them doing the same with the expansion
>why do people like iceborne?
Clearly the forced uptime mechanic of the clutch claw

>>713040727 (OP)
First major patch they broke the game for people with 12th gen intel and a PS controller via the CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT error.
They never fixed it.
That cost them a bunch of players and it didn't even hit any news, it was just a quiet quitting.

>>713087256
>ancient forest
>rotten vale
>fun
When a map with 16 zones has only one or two zones that aren't total ass to fight in the map is garbage and the majority of World maps are like this.

>>713041158
>>State outright that their goal with world was to win awards at western award shows.
And by state outright ofcourse you mean never said.
And by win award at western award shows you mean make the series more approachable.
But being honest would mean telling the truth, something your jewish genes don't allow.
KYS.

>>713087605
Every single 4U map makes ancient forest look like misty peaks. I agree it’s a sub par map but it’s not actively bad

>>713049326
>>Focus mode and wounds ruins combat
And then there';s this faggot.

>>713087791
>there';s
Indian can barely keep it together

>>713086620
both armor where useless before the upgrade which only made it slightly less useless.
I found an article close to release who even talked about Narwa.
You probably confuse it with Apex because Rampage Arzuros was the only way to do Apex at first.

>>713087535
>why do people like iceborne?
Well that's where the tricky part starts, they don't. No sane person liked superman zip-zaps (with all monsters now suddenly running out of breath every 30 seconds so you could epically zip-zap on them), tenderizing, wallbangs, and on top of that worse movesets on some weapons. Every single new combat mechanic Iceborne introduced was shit.

>>713040727 (OP)
no boob size slider
no belly fat slider

>>713087965
>Know you're wrong
>Can't win an argument
>Heh, thankfully he made a typo
YWNBAW

>>713088009
Nah it was the armor thing that threw me off. I remember making some bizarre storm soul set when All Mother came out, I don’t think I really farmed the vanilla base game of Rise because it was boring.

>>713088109
>>713087535

People like Iceborne because it adds a lot of content to the game, cancer claw is more of a controverial topic however, certainly annoying how tenderizing was kind of forced on the player.

>>713040727 (OP)
For me, my main drive for playing these games are the quests. I like to complete all the key and optional quests the game has.
This game has the least ammount of them, just the bare minimun one quest for each monster plus like 5 optional ones with 2 monsters.
Where are the egg hunts? Where are the quests with more than 2 monsters? Any super hard one that can be unlocked after you complete every other quest in the game? Arena quests weren't even in the base game, they had to add them later.
Nothing, just the bare fucking minimum, but hey, here are fomo timed event quests! (It's Quematrice again in the Windward Plains for some fucking reason). Even the soulful quest descriptions (which I'll admit, I might be the only one that reads those) are gone.
And of course it's more than just that, other anons explained it. The game is just pure soulless slop.

>>713040727 (OP)
in addition to the problems everyone listed in this thread, they fucked up the pc performance even more with the latest patch, which is why it has Mostly Negative recent reviews

>>713089443
do you think i could get a refund for this game on steam if i cite the recent update making the game not playable?
i have 50 hours played, unfortunately.

>>713088805
>more than one monster
at least Capcom realized that these are dumb as fuck with free restocking and turf war trigger.
Imagine having actual quests like

>trophy hunt
bring me a Rathalos tail
>Arahnophobia
fight Nercs and Lala Balarina, they won't fuck off after turf war
>that Bazel blew up my shack so I want you to blow up him. here takes this...
you get infinite barrel bombs and can't use weapons
>is it true that Arzuros eats honey
take a photo while Arzuros eats honey (also works when he steals it from you)

>>713088805
>Where are the egg hunts
Some people enjoy egg hunts? Gross

Snoy and its consequences have been a disaster for Monster Hunter.

>>713089443
>please dear consoomer fix our game yourself!
nigger capcom is run by poojeets

>>713090412
No it’s people who are upset about performance and need to dig deep for more “flaws”, that’s the meta tactic for player reviews now just say the entire thing is 0/10 if it has something you don’t like because it drags the score down more

>>713089443
Holy fucking shit these faggots have so many botnets running on top of Wilds they could probe your ass without you even noticing, they probably have root access to anyone's PC, can't these homosexuals codemenkeys delete these files themselves?

>>713040727 (OP)
played the demo and knew it wasnt a game i would want to spend any more time in. they somehow made a savannah environment with a sewer level aesthetic

Tell me. What purpose do paintballs serve in this game? Literally why do they exist.

>>713091736
I think they 'ping' the target monster on every player's map.

>>713040727 (OP)
Similar problem to Rise's:
Monsters cant keep up with the hunter powercreep, Rise at least to give them moves to pushing or bait recoveries but Wilds doesnt even do that.
I doubt theyll be able to add anything challenging to the basegame without implementing MMO raid wipe mechanics

>>713040727 (OP)
The game has a really high score on both backloggd and PS Store.

It's only /v/ contrarians that hate it and it's getting review bombed on Steam due to system reqs and performance

>>713092109
So they have no purpose. You can literally do the same with gestures/chat emotes.

>>713048831
If i want to farm spam something quick ill always pick arena

>>713092141
Rise monsters absolutely did keep up. Hell, one of the MH fanbase's biggest complaints about MHR and SB was that monsters were "too cracked" even though they really just moved and attacked at gen3/4 speeds again, whereas world and wilds SLOWED monsters down for no known reason.

>>713040727 (OP)
crapcom wants monhun to be some liveservice bullshit but then doesn't give it the content to actually warrant that. then wilds also has worse performance, somehow worse endgame than base world, two lackluster zones, underwhelming visuals, and a shit story

>>713041440

The average opinion normies used to have about MH was:

"oh it's that hardcore 200 hour long japanese game with the monsters that you have to hunt with your friends because the game is so tough!"

Then MHWilds came out and it was a story slop game that was easier than Kung Fu Panda for the PS3 and you can't even play through the story in co-op with friends properly and the end credits appear after 15 hours of gameplay but at least the graphics were nice I guess.


call me a fag for speaking about e-celebs but I dinstinctly remember seeing Jerma play the game on release and the stream ended up being 3 hours of "wait what do we do to play together?" while they confusingly went along with the story and the monsters died in 5 seconds and the whole game was gray and everyone got increasingly more bored and dissapointed until it was over.


The game sold well because of the good marketing and great reputation of MHWorld, the player retention has been terrible because the game is so fucking stupid in so many ways.

>>713091419
>they somehow made a savannah environment with a sewer level aesthetic

Those rocky areas, especially in the top left of the map, are some of the most disgusting areas to look at I've ever seen. No matter the hardware you're on, they look like shit.

>>713092278
>people who actually boughtened the game expect it to work
Very antisemitic, I agree.

>>713042143
>SPECIFICALLY asking focus testers who do NOT like monster hunter what they want changed in the game to make them play it, and by trying to appeal to people who don't like the franchise, you'll eventually lose the appeal for people who do, since no game can be for everyone.

This is exactly what's happening, it's a blatantly obvious deduction to make if you watch the developers speak and you notice the focus capcom has taken in the last couple years on surveys and inclusitivity in games.

They want MH to be appealing to people who used to not find MH appealing, bringing out of portable consoles and into proper platforms was all that was needed as far as I'm concerned, this is what MHWorld was, many people say World was the beggining of the end but I would argue the things Wolrd changed and streamlined are not neccesarily terrible implementations, walking while drinking a potion doesn't have to be bad as long as monsters get better tracking for instance, Dark Souls 3 wasn't easier than Dark Souls 1 even though Dark Souls 3 does this exact same change.

But World's success sent a message that capcom interpreted like this: "appeal to normied and get free money".

All the features they have added in Wilds are perfectly designed to appeal and seem cool to non-MH players who felt "intimidated" by the series in the past.

>>713041829
>>713042821

I am still coping that they will see the error of their ways and try to do something huge for the expansion to try and revive the game properly.

Video game revivals and and developers recovering from bad reputations are things that has happened before... I hope it happens here, I really wanted to like Wilds, I really did, but you can't ignore when someone is selling you a bastardization of this level.

>>713092773
>though they really just moved and attacked at gen3/4 speeds again

Monsters in old gen Mon hun are very slow overall they just typically have one “stupid bullshit” move you have to constantly be avoiding even when they’re not using it because of stupid bullshit. Usually a frame 1 charge

>>713043789
a story by itself is not bad, the problem is the fact that it gets in the way of the fun and gameply and freedom, and MHWilds did this absolutely horrendously.

The plot and characters themselves are less embarrasing and retarded than MHWorld, or maybe the same level, but in Wilds it seems so much worse because it's shoved down your throat so hard, they think they are making a fucking oscar worthy game when they're not. It insists upon itself.

>>713043892

I still can't believe the selling point of the game was the big open areas but the last two areas of the game are dark narrow caves.

It's okay if it was just the iceshard cliffs but why tf are the ruins of Wyveria like that lol, Wyveria was an old city right? Make an abandoned city looking map, not whatever the fuck weirdass shit we got in the game.

>>713062221

>>713040727 (OP)
Sometimes I wonder if (newfag/normalfag) player feedback is to blame for the current state of this franchise
I feel they heard too many yesmen and we ended up with a worse product because of it

>>713092492
they have a purpose in hordes or whatever that mechanic was called. It's not really important

>>713040727 (OP)
>it won't turn out like DD2
they said, heh

>>713092141
>Monsters cant keep up with the hunter powercreep
They did in Rise.

>>713093474
It's literally the Capcom cycle. 5 years of good games followed by 5 years of shit games. Every 10 years the cycle resets. This has been happening since the 90s.

How FROMSOFT succeeds at delivering an ok plot without fucking over gameplay experience but Capcom cant?

>>713093910
>I feel they heard too many yesmen and we ended up with a worse product because of it
That's probably because they gutted the whole team.

>>713040727 (OP)
good fucking riddance
trash series from a clown company.

>>713045161
>>713045451

MHWilds was on development for a LONG time and the game stim came out unfinished and with terrible performance.

The updates are also coming at snail's pace, we got ONE new monster since it released months ago.

I feel like no one else is talking about this, either something about MHWilds is absolute hell to work on or the MH team is going through something that's making their work way slower, it's unusual how little they can do with the amount of time and money they have, there has to be something behind this and I hope one day we can know.

Is what people say really true? Is the RE engine really that bad? It's easy to blame the engine but I wish I could know exactly what it is.

>>713043862
Oh hey its another dd2 blast haver

Poorfags

>>713045579
I find that the first 3 areas look good during the plenty, but the game is full of anti-soul gas EVEN when in this weather, and 60% of the time the areas are under depressing dark muddy weather so that makes it even less appealing.

And the last two areas are mostly narrow dark caves and I don't even know if they have a weather system in there lmao they look the same all the time, equaly as bad.

>>713040727 (OP)
Greed and DEI brainwashing

>>713094850
>Is the RE engine really that bad?
it really isn't, the problem comes from the fact they want it to work in open world games when it really isn't made for that

>>713046260
the great variety and attention to detail of the monsters in MHWilds means nothgin when 80% of the roster are shitmons who die in 5 seconds.

When was the last time you fought Lala Barina or Nu Udra and though "damn, this monster is hard and has a cool moveset that I have to dodge!"?

Probably never, monster behaviors and movesets and designs don't mean anythign when fighting them isn't even a fight, it's just animal abuse as you hitt hem on the head while they flail on the ground, as far as most players are concerned, the only difference between most monsters in Wilds is their flailing animations while they die a painful death.

>>713060930
>wilds is not world 2

Worldfags are delulu, yeah the game's good, but it's not 1000 hours grinding good.

>>713092141
Gore Magala 8 star is fucking brutal though. I play bow and he has few one shot attacks even with the highest defense.

>>713042142
Midwit ass post. Literally "I get all my opinions from /v/"shit right here.

>>713060930
>worldfags still acting like wilds wasn't tailor made for them

roflmao faggot

>>713048293
you actually had to move the dog when riding it though.

In Wilds the Seikret literally takes you to the monster as if it was a cab, even the first time you hunt the monsters, you don't have to bother exploring any of the areas ever.

>>713051967
>>Further it by adding wounds that you can pop for massive damage and free staggers
>rise had this too
That was an improvement on hypers from old gen. The rest of that shit is just your choice of gameplay. No one actually plays like that and outside of the spiders & kittenator, you can play world & wilds almost the exact same way.

>>713048885
Thing is that there are vast open landscapes in real life AND in the MH world, but there also dense forests and intricate areas, I don't think the concept of a mount is bad, but the game being so completely designed around them is retarded, it's having a vast desert in the game but the maps feel so Seikret centric, most of the shortcuts in the game require a Seikret to get through them, the game is designed assuming the Seikret will take you all over the area zooming without you ever having to pay attention, the way items are placed and gathered is also retarded too.

Where do you gather ingredients for hot drinks? In the desert? No, that would make too much sense, the hot drink ingredients are actually in the icy area! And every time you are about to enter a cold place there's a convenient pepper in the corner that you can gather while you use your seikret and it automatically makes a srink for you that negates the cold effect. Small things like this, they make the game no longer feel real, they make it obvious it's a video game world designed to be easy to play and less annoying or inconvenient.

>>713046260
>Rise was lacking in the detailed environments and grounded combat that made World so beloved
HA! Grounded combat? You were shooting massive spires and shit with rocks, cartwheeling down the backs of monsters and jumping 50 feet into the air unaided. It was the least grounded game of the bunch.

>>713050279
Vidya developers care more about Game Awards than you'd think, it's a big thing for them, much of their reputation is based around it too, vidya developers are legit proud when they win game of the year and having that achievement under your belt gives you a lot of pull in the industry too.

I am not saying this is based ofc, but it IS true...

>>713040727 (OP)
It's not at "Overwhelmingly Negative" lmao

They just need to add way more content per Title Update.
The foundation is solid, there's just nothing to do after 2 weeks of playing. One monster every 2 months isn't enough.

>>713048885
>Dogs DID take away from the exploration of Rise though, it was just more subtle about it.
Hardly, especially given that Rise is the only game so far with hidden collectables and areas dotted around for the player to find. Not to mention palamutes are useless for vertical traversal which most of those areas and collectables require to get to.

>>713040727 (OP)
>What happened?
PCûcks shit on every pc game. They don't matter.

>>713042142
I swear wounds and focus strike are the most immersion breaking shit they have ever added to this franchise
You can miss every single hit and the final hit will still pop off no matter where the monster is during it

>>713096259
Can't help but suck that corporate cock can you.

>>713041440
>because people didn't know it was gonna be a nothing burger in the endgame
>the whole was leaked months before the release
No we did but we also knew it would suck hard because
>Investigations/Tempered monsters are shit
>Grind is near inexistent
>Chasing decos sucks
>Barely any endgame monsters
But people decided to ignore it they hyped to get World 2 and that's exactly what they got!

>>713066825
MHWorld having a little bit of bad doesn't mean it's the same as MHWilds because MHWilds has insane amounts of bad.

MHWorld had good things too, even if it had some shitty stuff, MHWilds just feels like all shitty stuff and the good is not nearly enough to make up for it.

It is 100% possible for someone to love MHWorld and despise Wilds, I know this because I have talked to people like that and I am also one of them.

You can argue that being able to walk while healing was the start of the slippery slope, but I don't think it had to be, it feels nice to be able to move a little while healing, but the monsters should have been buffed with better tracking to make up for it for instance.

Instead, with MHWilds, capcom decided that MHWorld feeling smoother than the nintendo MH games meant that people wanted a game that fucking plays itself, this is not what anyone wants lmoa not even normies want this, this is why everyon is dropping this game.

>>713040727 (OP)
It runs horribly on the majority of people's machines, has no end game, and the barely feels like monster hunter. I'll buy it when it is 20 or 30. Capcom already got all their money and ran.

>>713040727 (OP)
Monster Hunter Wild is the ultimate proof that if u put goon bait in the very first trailer it shows there is something seriously wrong with the game.

It's always the case.

>>713085336
Rise had more monsters at release and 3 months after release they already added 5 monster variants and 4 new monsters.

Wilds has added one monster, one, it's beel almost 5 months and the game's credits end after playing 15 hours and the game has only added ONE monster.

I am a Rise hater too but it was nowhere near as fucked up and Rise at least had the COVID excuse.

Why can't I limit the amount of players on the hunt? In World you were asked every time how much players you want in the game

>>713095149

Video game engines have been known to be modified to be more flexible in the past.

Guess they just didn't know how to do it here.

>>713096424
>MHWorld had good things too,
That's debatable. After all, outside of the performance issues almost everything wrong with Wilds started in World.

>>713094850
RE Engine is excellent for the Resident Evil games, which are linear corridors with the occasional small hub fitting in maybe 7 or 8 enemies at once. Wilds is using that same engine to run an "open world" game, all while processing every little creature on the map and their individual AIs simultaneously. They need to either scale way back down with Portable 6th, or they need an entirely new engine for none Resident Evil games going forward.

This game shows that inhouse engines are complete memes. The future solely belongs to UE5.

People would still be playing the game if it was good
The talk about endgame and deco grind is retarded
If it was fun to hunt monsters you'd keep playing, but as it is, there's almost nothing new it provides, and meanwhile World is a complete experience

>>713047578
bro you dont even have the elders because they were cut for dlc lel. Which has never happened before in MH. Wilds is an absolute embarrassment in every single metric.

Capcom probably thought if they shit out something looking like world, it would be good enough

>>713096392
World at least had Elder Dragons to farm. This game literally has no endgame monsters except tempered Gore.

>>713097025

I started playing MH with MH3U and to me MHWorld had way more good than bad.

And the bad in MHWorld to me seemed so easily fixable too, it didn't seem to me like the start of a slippery slope.

MHWorld had bad PC optimization at release but that doesn't mean MHWilds had to be even worse, MHWorld was fairly easy but that doesn't mean MHWilds had to be twice as much, MHWorld had a story but that doesn't mean Wilds had to shvel it down your face so badly, MHWorld had the stupid coop cutscene problem but that doesn't mean Wilds had to have it too.

MHWorld has problem I could bear, the problem is that in Wilds those problems have fucking tripled in severity as far as I'm concerned, this, to me, doesn't make me angry about MHWorld, I deeply deeply love that game, and I played it during a good period in my life too so I think back fondly on those days, I can't say it's all MHWorld's fault, but I do admit it's all because capcom had the worst possible takeaway from World's success and designed MHWilds in the most retarded way possible.

>>713096390
Not an argument.

>>713097328
Wilds has endgame monsters, they just suck and are too easy.

An MH game doesn't need a certain number of Elder Dragons per entry to be good, in fact, I like that Wilds has no Elder Dragons at all, apex monsters can be the star of the show and many times they SHOULD, a Tigrex hunt should be challenging, a Nu Udra quest should be harsh and engaging, if a monster has it's own musical theme, that means they deserve to have a certain level of aura and status. Wilds could have easily been balanced so that the apex monsters are fun to fight even endgame, hell, look at Mizu and how overtuned he is compared to the other apexes, we don't need an Elder Dragon to have fun, the problem is that Wilds is too easy and 80% of the roster is a joke and the remaining 20% is "eh I guess I have to focus a little while fighting" tier.

>>713097127
I'm curious if the next portable game will even be a nintendo switch title or if from now on they're gonna try to be "MHWorld-level" with each release.

MHRise was in development for a while, before MHWorld even released and was the success it ended up being, it was also going to be a game with the loading screens between areas and shit, Rise changed a LOT after MHWorld came out and got so popular, that's why it was a nintendo switch game.
Are they gonna keep alternating between nintendo and... well, everyone else from now on?

>>713040727 (OP)
Came out to the west too early. The west should only get the ultimate edition with G rank.
>easy even for modern MonHun standards
>grind is too simple, no real reason to grind for jewels when they're going to be pointless in a year
>slow addition of content means everyone did everything and there's no real reason to jump in every 2 months to fight a single monster twice and build it's entire set before turning it off for another 2 months

>>713051967
>don't do any of this
>every hunt is still sub 10 minutes

>>713043253
I was the same way, I figured "well at least I'll have an everfall to grind monster fights in endgame and maybe an enderdragon" but never got that. So I'm left more disappointed than satisfied and awaiting a DLC that may never come.

>>713092278
Yep, it’s still rated considerably higher than World and Rise on backloggd

>>713096424
>>713046260
>grounded combat that made World so beloved
>one big move spam with no cost
The shit you can read here I swear.

World and wilds are both bad and wilds being as bad as it is is mostly the fault of world.

>>713099465

World is not as grounded as the older games and it had some stupid balance problems but it's nowhere near as fucked as Rise or Wilds, I was hoping Wilds would bring it back a little, they didn't.

My personal ideal MH game sits in between MHWorld and MH4 in gameplay style.

>>713097837
I reckon they'll keep the "portable" titles around as something as close to classic as they can get and so the A team isn't completely shafted.