Thread 713043524

PS5 has already generated more profit than PS1-4 combined

>>713043524 (OP)
So why are they porting their exclusives to PC?

>>713043524 (OP)
>anon doesn't know what percentages are

*farts*

>mfw ps3 almost buried sony
they need another generation like this, maybe they will start to shit out games again
>>713043672
because it's not sustainable to restrict yourself to one platform with $500mil+ games

Most of that is from GaaS and MTX.

>>713043761
>because it's not sustainable to restrict yourself to one platform with $500mil+ game
On the contrary, mayhaps more people would buy the console and then, with the console itself being a sunk cost essentially, the people would buy more games because otherwise the hardware goes to waste.

>>713043815
Like the Japanese said, it really is a giant smartphone.

How much of that is in first party vs third party games?

>>713043815
I always wondered who make more money: fortnite, genshin, roblox, cod, fiffa

>>713043815
I was wondering how lol

>>713043867
the line can't go up forever
the potential userbase is already split between pc, ps5, switch, mobile gaming and xbox
besidies half of revenue for sony comes actually from the ps store and microtransactions in cod, gta, fifa and apex and all that, see >>713043815
gamers voted with their wallet I guess

>>713044339
>gamers voted with their wallet I guess
mom's wallet*

>>713043524 (OP)
>PS3

Very misleading because PS3 cost them fucktons of money.
PS4 have to recoup the loss and still makes them 9bill while PS5 just coatailing PS4 already profiting business + GAAS money.

Take away the GAAS money and PS5 actually makes billions less than PS4.

Question for PS owners. Is a PS5 worth it (not the Pro, because I don't care about graphics) if you already have a decent PC?
I've gotten two responses so far from anons:

>one said it's worth it because Japanese games often get crappy ports on PC, so you kind of complement your PC with the PS5.

> another said it doesn't make sense and refused to elaborate

In my case, I have some digital PS4 games on my PSN account that I didn't even have time to play properly because the console belonged to my brother and he ended up selling it. So I would at least have a few extra games to play if I bought a PS5.
What do you think? Does it make sense? Or is it better to stick with the PC and instead of spending $700 on the PS5 (price in my country), buy games on GOG, Steam, new controllers, etc., for the PC?

>>713043524 (OP)
>>713043815
>"ps5 generation" is a measure of time when the ps5 was out, not money generated by the ps5
>all the money was made by ps4 GaaS and MTX

>>713043524 (OP)
i dont even know anyone who owns a ps5

>>713044540
if you are ok with playing on pc and there are no particular games you care about in the ps catalog (gta6 at launch for instance) then no need to get the ps5

>>713044605
That's irrelevant to Sony, though. The PS5 is basically the PS4 Pro Pro. Just as it makes no sense for Sony to separate the profits from PS4 and PS4 Pro users, it makes no sense to separate those from PS5. It's all the same linear shit that gets upgraded over time.

>>713044696
then you don't know any serious gamers
enthusiast gamers play on ChadStation

>>713044540
No. You get a few timed exclusives, that's it. PS5 is for people too stupid or too poor to be a PC gamer.

>>713044861
greatness awaits™

>>713044861
>enthusiast gamers play on ChadStation

>>713043867
>with the console itself being a sunk cost essentially,
it's not?

>>713043672
Same reason PC exclusives keep getting ported to consoles.

>>713044489
>Very misleading because PS3 cost them fucktons of money.
the graphs confirms that you illiterate retard

>>713043524 (OP)
>evolving financial profile with increasing operating leverage

Fuck off, no one words things like that unless they can't outright say "we're making good money"

>>713044605
>>all the money was made by ps4
your pic doesn't support that.

>>713044540
PS5 gets every third party game of note, gets timed exclusives and even gets PC exclusives. Plus you get to sidestep shitty PC ports. I'd say it's worthwhile for all those reasons (plus it has the best version of R-Type Final).

>>713043524 (OP)
That's what inflation does

>>713045263
>no one words things like that
yes they do.

>>713045406
One of the reasons I wanted a PS5 was to buy physical versions of shmups. But I ended up giving up on that in particular because for some reason the prices of shmups in my country are absurd. I don't know if it's because they make few discs or something, but the cheapest ones are around $100 here on physical media (the same games I can get for $10 digitally on sale).

>>713044540
I'm a bit lazy to type this up again but you can refer to my explanation >>712943940.
The PS5 is only worth it if you haven't played the exclusive PS4 games, don't have a PS4 Pro, or want physical copies. It has next to nothing exclusive to it now since everyone including Sony is porting stuff off of it like retards giving less of a reason to buy it and you're primarily buying the system because you want PS4 exclusives, physical copies, or the ecosystem of something like trophies.

Don't buy a PS5 expecting PS5 exclusives to be plentiful, buy it if you want PS4 exclusives + a handful of PS5 exclusives + PSVR1 and PSVR2 games + physical copies.

>>713044540
>Is a PS5 worth it
the bundles that go for $450 for the disc version with a game and 1TB storage yes.
>crappy ports
ports are always wild cards. you don't know when you are going to get them and how they will perform. plus you will always be able to own your games physically.
> if you already have a decent PC?
I have a decent PC. I don't have a decent gaming PC. two wildly different things. the gaming part of a gaming PC ages like fresh milk. on the other hand I own all 5 playstations and i never felt i wasted my money. I literally use them all to this day.

>>713045406
>PS5 gets every third party game of note, gets timed exclusives and even gets PC exclusives
So does everything else, why get a PS5 for that?

>>713046052
>So does everything else, why get a PS5 for that?
autism hit some of yous hard. PC gaming hardware is more expensive than fucking ever.

>>713046475
Let me guess: you think Nvidia 5000 GPUs are the only GPUs to exist.

>>713043524 (OP)
Now post the debt

>>713046052
>So does everything else
Nope.

>>713046627
let me guess: in high school you built your entire personality around the fact that you "know computers" and you decided to show that by doing pedantic trouble shooting and being a glorified shopping assistant. yeah that was me 15 years ago. then i got laid.

>>713046982
It's not an accomplishment to take it up the ass, anon.

>>713047043
lol i hit a nerve

>>713047086
I guess the male G-spot is technically a nerve, yes.

>>713043524 (OP)
>everyone talking about a recession
>meanwhile companies are making BILLIONS over BILLIONS by consumers more than ever
>people by shit in record numbers

>>713046052
Physical copies and performance mixed together for $400-500 for the only version you should be buying (The disk edition).

Xbox physical copies for the Series are more often than not not on the disk. Xbone games were mostly on the disk but ever since the shift to the Series line so many games are not on the disk or just use the Xbone disk as an authorization to download the Series version.
Switch 2 has now embraced Game Key Cards so they're in the exact situation. Because they apparently only do GKCs or 64 GB cards with no in-betweens you're stuck with that as an issue for the foreseeable future until they start producing 32 GB carts and 16 GB carts for companies to buy. The performance you're getting if you side with the Switch 2 when docked is also comparable to something like in between PS4 Pro and PS5. For now you still have Switch 1 copies of games, but most of them are stuck at 720p with resolution or framerate drops, and even playing them docked on the Switch 2 will arguably still be worse than anything you could do with the PS5. There's also the fact that you can't improve something like XBC2's resolution drops with the Switch 2, it just stops it from happening as often.

PS5 has access to PS4 copies of games physically, PS5 games physically, basically everything is on the disk for both of the systems unless you're Activision, and it has the same advantage Switch does of getting physical copies from other regions if not in your own region and games on the cart.

>>713046627
Dude, my 3070 can't even keep up a solid 60 in Marvel Rivals a lot of the time even with DLSS on at 1080p and the new map they just released literally drops to 5 FPS when I go to spectating after death sometimes. Wuthering Waves drops to 30 FPS in some areas of Septimont with DLSS on Performance at 1080p. That's a card that's 5 years old and currently goes for $250-300 alone used on eBay. That's not counting any other part of the computer you will need to buy.

>why you should own a console
took this pic like 8 years ago. the answer is pure bliss.

>>713047630
you do know that donuts aren't console exclusive right

>>713047397
Given the quality of the console, it just tells me they manages to find a better way to rip off people through their online subs, store purchases/mtx and necessary peripherals whilst ignoring the billion spend on bungie or costcutting shutting other studios.
It's all numbers, no soul.

>>713047719
>it doesn't count unless it's exclusive said the woojack with tears running down his eyes while seething and screeching
keep wasting more of your life on 4chan typing "that doesn't count"

>>713043524 (OP)
the psone made them more money than the ps2?

>>713047923
You're just defining "pure bliss" almost entirely with donuts instead of the actual games, anon. That's the stupid fucking part.

>>713048343
>you think he's going to eat the donut
he's going to eat the switch and bloodborne and play the donut

>>713047719
Source?

>>713047630
Peak gluttonous sloppage

>>713049096
I had a donut while I played Marathon Classic this afternoon.

>>713047397
>or just use the Xbone disk as an authorization to download the Series version.
You know that's the case for PlayStation games as well, right? They're all installs meaning if your console is banned those physical gangs go with with it.
The switch/2 is the only system with games that read from the cart meaning a ban won't take away your games.
There's zero reason to get a PS5.

>>713043761
so why hasn't nintendo port games to pc yet?

>>713043524 (OP)
what an insanely low profit ratio

>>713050749
Totally untrue

>>713043672
Because a $2200 device you use on a desk does not have as substantial user overlap with a $700 device you use on your couch as you think it does
As someone who grew up with computers and consoles it took me a while to understand but most 18-30 year olds just have a console. If they have a computer it's a cheap laptop they got in college. And most PC users who own a console got it specifically so they could play games on their couch with a controller.
> but you can do that with a pc
that would involve a brain which most human beings no longer have.

>>713050749
At least know what you're talking about before you start spewing stuff like this because there is a site that literally documents this stuff and has been for years. The Switch 1 has more games out of the box that aren't buggy at 1.0 (Usually because they released after the Xbone/Series/PS4/PS5 releases) but your concession with this is lower resolutions, worse performance, worse graphical quality, and potentially needing to go out of region way more than the PS4 or PS5 do to get a physical copy of a game. Mega Man Legacy Collections and the FFX remastered collection being the most basic example off the top of my head where you are required to go to Asian or Japanese releases to get a physical copy at all whereas PS4 got them feature complete out of the box.

>>713050749
>They're all installs meaning if your console is banned those physical gangs go with with it.

>>713043815
How can you say that is revenue when most of the profit was made by 3rd parties who do not need your platform.
Seems anyone who bought a PS5 is a retard coping on F2P and COD.

>>713044540
Unless you are worried about your ps4 breaking or can get a ps5 cheaply, no. The money would be better spent improving your pc.
I got a PS5 as a joint birthday present from my parents (too much money and not enough care to actually buy the LITERAL $15 SOCKS I ASKED FOR) and my wife (who wanted to play on the couch since she was pregnant). I have been happy with it and frequently play games on it, especially now that my oldest is at an age where he enjoys watching me play. But I would not have spent $700 buying one even knowing how I use it now. My PS4 worked fine and I spend more time on my PC playing 25 year old shovelware and generating AI fetish porn of my wife than on console.
I am an idiot and my opinion is worthless. But the answer is still no.

one day we will look back at the PS5 gen and realize how good we had it with fully physical games.

>>713046052
What exactly is “everything else”? Xbox? It sure as fuck isn’t nintendo.

>>713043672
More money. It is possible they also include games sold on PC on that PS5 generation revenue.

>>713051278
it's not even $700, it's $449 and for someone like a parent that's a much easier expense to set aside for. if they don't have a shit load of time to play games then the piracy aspect of pc is lost on them if they're only buying 2 or 3 a year anyway.

>>713043524 (OP)
pretty fucking grim that video games are no longer about making fun entertainment, but "generating profit" by manipulating gambling addicts and at the expense of fun and original entertainment.

also: inflation.

>>713045406
>plus it has the best version of R-Type Final.
Johnny Turbo is that you?
Nobody is buying a fucking console for the best arcade port of Lords of Thunder, you retard.
This is brand loyalty claiming tens of thousands of nigglets.
Ps5 does not even have their own Bloodborne.
Holy Cope.

>>713043524 (OP)
>Generation
So not the PS5, just what Sony has done while the PS5 is in active lifecycle like increasing PS+ prices every year, scraping microtransactions off of Fortnite, putting games on PC where people actually buy their crap, etc.

>>713051331
Maybe you should start paying attention before going on meaningless rants because nothing you've said here is relevant to my post since there's no functional difference between how the downloaded version on Xbox and installed version on ps works since both are still acting as a verification disc to read the game data from the drive and because it just reads from the drive Sony and MS can just ban you from any games regardless of it being physical.
Also you're not comparing a PlayStation to just Nintendo and Xbox your comparing it to PC as well so performance is a moot point.

>>713051081
anon, did you actually read the numbers or were you just comparing the graphs' bar sizes.

>>713043524 (OP)
>assmad still trying to run damage control for sony

>>713052192
I gets even better when you realise that Final 3 is just an enhanced port of Final 2 and not actually a remake of 3

>>713043524 (OP)
In 2020s money? Very unimpressive.

>>713047397
>he performance you're getting if you side with the Switch 2 when docked is also comparable to something like in between PS4 Pro and PS5
You're overestimating the Switch 2, it'll be somewhere between the PS4 and PS4 Pro when docked.

>>713050749
>The switch/2 is the only system with games that read from the cart meaning a ban won't take away your games.
This guy is in denial. At least 80-90% of physical Switch 2 games will require downloading THE ENTIRE FUCKING GAME. Switch 2 is essentially a console for digital games.

>>713052214
>there's no functional difference between how the downloaded version on Xbox and installed version on ps works
Yes there absolutely is and I don't know how you came up with this thought process.
The PS4/PS5 disk can be installed entirely offline with no interaction with Sony. There is no server talked to, there is no data you need from online. You can even use a local account to install said game without having a PSN account. Unless your system itself is banned Sony cannot do anything to you, and that would require you hacking the thing to get to that point.

The Xbone disk can only be installed as an Xbone disk on your Series system, and even then sometimes can't be installed because not all Xbone disks have their data on it. If you want the Series version of the game specifically then a huge amount of these games require you to be online because the game will not even begin to install at all. A connection to Microsoft's servers is mandatory to get access to the game at all. Assassin's Creed Valhalla is an example of a game where if you stick it into a SeX offline, despite being marked as a Series game, it will only install the Xbone version because there is no physical Series copy. The Series copy only exists on Microsoft's servers.
>Also you're not comparing a PlayStation to just Nintendo and Xbox your comparing it to PC as well so performance is a moot point.
What? Why would I be comparing it to PC? That wasn't the point of discussion at all because PC is all digital and we're talking about physical copies.

>>713043672
More money

>>713052619
>Unless your system itself is banned
Yes, that's currently what we're talking about you idiot

>>713043524 (OP)
Yeah no shit PS3 nearly wiped them out.

>>713050992
Because PC ports their to Switch

>>713052619
>wasn't the point of discussion at all because PC is all digital and we're talking about physical copies.
NTA but you weren't in a conversation about physical copies until you brought them up. >>713045406 this anon, the one the anon you're talking to replied to, was talking about platforms in general.

I suggest you pay more attention to the conversations you're in instead of just jumping to Sony's defence.

>>713052192
To be fair, Lords of Thunder did have a better soundtrack on Turbografx CD than Sega CD.

>>713052947
You are making no sense. So one very specific condition which requires you to not only hack your system but then go online with it and sign into your account is equivalent to Microsoft not even letting you play the game at all unless you sign in and download it because what you have in your system doesn't actually have any data? You understand what you are saying, right? It's not even in the same ballpark.

>>713053208
Yes, and my entire point is predicated on talking about why you would buy the PS5 specifically over other systems that "Get everything" which I stated was physical copies. Of the three systems that have physical copies the Switch 1 has drawbacks in so many respects be it other region versions being necessary, worse performance, worse visuals, or worse resolutions while the Xbox doesn't even have the game on its own disks.

>>713053441
>You are making no sense. So one very specific condition
That one very specific condition also being the main issue with those Xbox games too. You're not getting that regardless of downloads they're functionally the game.

>>713053441
its fun to post this and watch snoys cope and pretend it never happened

>>713043524 (OP)
well yeah inflation went up over 100% since that time period anon.

>>713043524 (OP)
Troondies, our response?

>>713043672
Because ports are cheap so it's pure profit.

>>713053441
>Of the three systems that have physical copies the Switch 1 has drawbacks in so many respects be it other region versions being necessary, worse performance, worse visuals, or worse resolutions while the Xbox doesn't even have the game on its own disks.
Let's be honest here, that's all superficial. None of this changes what the game is and not having the game on disc doesn't really matter if both just install. Sure you could buy another PS5 if your console is banned, but that requires buying a new PS5 and you could just do the same with the Xbox too.
Not to mention pc, where you could always just pirate these games and not have to deal with Sony and MS's drm.

You really need to think with your head and not with your brand loyalty.

>>713053780
>not having a base model disc version
skill issue

>>713045406
>and even gets PC exclusives.
Top kek I feel so bad for consolegros that play rimworld with a controller and no mods.

>>713053747
>That one very specific condition also being the main issue with those Xbox games too.
How? How is that the issue?
>You're not getting that regardless of downloads they're functionally the game.
They're not, because the Playstation side does not need to download the game at all from any outside source. You can stay offline from the moment you buy your disk PS5 and it will install and run what you stick in the system for the most part.
The Series systems from the moment you get them require you to sign in to the internet on first boot, and even after you do that if you play offline from then on many of the games you buy from a store do not install at all because there is no game for you to install. There is no physical Series S or X version.

>>713053780
>Can't even read his own tweet.
The PS5 Pro and the Slim have a disc add-on you buy separately that has to be paired the first time you boot the system in order to run disks which is a one-time check.
The disk PS5 does not because it is paired in the factory so you never need to pair it.

>>713053993
>None of this changes what the game is
Who cares what "the game is"? I do not care if it's data or not, that was never the argument or point. The point was that if you want physical copies of games Playstation and Switch 1 are the ways to go, and for the future unless Nintendo makes lower tier cartridges Nintendo will have objectively worse physical copies than Playstation because it's all going to be GKCs that are downloads.

The fact of the matter is that the Playstation has the games on disk and can be done offline for the overwhelming majority of games with the only way you can be prevented from this is if you bought a digital console (Slim or Pro) or hacked the thing. The Switch 1 has basically all of its games on cartridges and it also plays them off the cartridge instead of installing. The Xbox side of things does not have the game on its disks for the most part and requires you to be online to get it.

The moment they started using AMD APU like nintendo did on the GCN/Wii/WiiU era was the moment they started to see better profits

>>713043524 (OP)
all thanks to covid.

>>713043524 (OP)
Inflation adjusted?

>>713054306
>which is a one-time check.
Yeah, it's just a one time check you have to perform every time you install a game.from a disk. Even the disk PS5 does this.
What's the point of lies like this? Everyone knows the last truly offline plug n play was PS3. The PS5 needs to phone home if you want to play anything on it

>>713054704
>Yeah, it's just a one time check you have to perform every time you install a game.from a disk. Even the disk PS5 does this.
You understand that is this was true then every single person on the systemswould have this as an issue, right? The entire buzz about Stellar Blade was that you could put the system into offline mode, delete the game, stick the disc in your PS5, and it would install the 1.0 version entirely offline and as long as you stayed offline it would never download the updates for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dmnBzur8Mo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOe7bJHSKcY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgjUFpqUUvM

I genuinely can't believe people like you exist.

>>713054312
the new profits are from the paid online subscriptions + games being sold digitally on their platform instead of physical stores
the platforms get all the money and the devs are as fucked as usual

>Claiming strength off 24 years of absolutely insane currency induction
You know what? I'm gonna say it: Sony has just been coasting off the success of the PS1 and PS2 era this whole time.

>>713043672
Same reason as Microsoft. Think about this - you can sell a console at a loss then make it up with a few game sales, then start making money from further sales after that. Many of those sales include physical discs that are much less profitable. OR you can just sell a game to someone who bought their own machine separately. You might pay platform/store fees that you might not if you sold a first-party game digitally, but it's immediate profit.
For MS, it's the most profitable if you buy a $50 first-party pc game from Windows store, more than if you buy the same game on xbox after you spend $500 on the series x.

>>713043524 (OP)
People really need to understand a simple concept: THE PS5 SELLS

It doesn't matter how many times people screech about "NO GAMES".
It doesn't matter if they keep tanking GaaS or make zero 1st party title.
It doesn't matter if they port how many games into PC.
It doesn't matter if Xcucks cope about getting to play PS games through paying a 3rd party storefront (Steam).
It doesn't matter if Tendies keep claiming their handheld can sell millions in Japan.

People WILL go out and buy a PS5. They're buying a PS5 now, and they will go out and buy a PS5 for GTA6 and more 3rd party hallmarks. Xbox putting their games into Playstation people will go out and buy PS5s for those games too.

You can't stop a household brand name built off of years of console dominance.

>>713057042
That and their cult like fanbase.

>>713057386
You can't really say that though. With MS pc gaming is their platform with Windows being the most common os then there's the fact that people with gaming PCs may use them for more than just gaming and buy more of their software like office and what not.
With Sony they don't have that, they're just making less when they port since they have to deal with those cuts that platform holders take without having any software people will buy outside of their games.

>>713047179
A lot of old people (including those making national policies) do not understand that electronic luxurious and hobby products are cheaper than ever, while necessary expenses like housing make up increasingly huge portions of the average person who doesn't own a house that's been paid off pre-2018. In the 80s, buying a tv or a microwave would be more expensive than paying rent. Now those things are often less than 10% of a month's rent.
I surely don't defend anyone who actually spends money on Roblox and Genshin, but the idea that someone spends on video games every month is fairly irrelevant to their financial trouble. If you bought two games per month for $60 each, not buying those would save you $1440 a year which is one or two months of rent. I doesn't help you get a house. It would take you 10 years to save up enough for today's down payment by not buying games and by then the price would have risen so much it isn't enough anymore.
And the vast majority of gamers now are not spending nearly that much what with sales, free games, and piracy. I'm playing on a 8 year old pc and I spent about $200 on games last year.

>>713043524 (OP)
Realistically what are these from? titles sold cannot be it

>>713058668
I'm kinda surprised PS has not made their own pc storefront. They are an even more well-known brand than Epic. That said, I reiterate that if a PC gamer buys a game from Sony, Sony will profit immediately. They might get less of a cut from selling through Steam but that may still be as much or more than selling discs at retail. They only make more from first-party games sold on PSN.
More importantly, selling the ps5 console is a LOSS that has to be made up for. This is really bad for cash flow even if the customer does eventually profit more after years of intermittent game sales. A PC customer who just buys one or two Sony games actually makes Sony more profit than a PS gamer who buys the same Sony games and PS5. Only after several PSN purchases does PS5 start to profit more. They've recognized that selling games on PC can mitigate losses and bankroll the investment in the more profitable long-term high-volume PS customers. The PC+console strategy is complimentary. You shouldn't assume selling to PC is hurting the console business.
It is not the Playstation console that makes Sony money but the licensing and PSN storefront. They get a cut of every third party game and microtransaction sale. You know this is what makes them their real money, not their first party games (even with their highest possible margins from PSN). They really want to sell you as few physical items as possible. The valuable part of the Playstation brand is its gratuity on all these transactions.
Sony has realized that they don't need to target the general user. It's more important to collect rent on all the transactions of the users who spent most - the "whales."
The strategy is clearly working with less console sales and vastly more profits.
This is a financial strategy not a content-based strategy. It's easier to just take a cut than to take $200 million risks on games. They're too late to be Valve but they also want to win by dong nothing.

>>713059724
>You shouldn't assume selling to PC is hurting the console business.
You should, because even if it's a separate side of the business it's still causing reputational damage in the long term because they've lost the allure of exclusivity and their brand identity becomes far more nebulous. We've already seen Microsoft fail spectacularly because they have no allure to their platform outside of gaming Netflix now and they very early started putting everything on PC with things like Gears of War and Halo giving less of a reason to actually stick to their platform.

If PC porting was such a good idea then Nintendo would have been doing it years ago because of the bigger market now that would make up millions of more sales but they understand missing out on that market is good because it means you're forcing the majority that isn't just going to pirate your stuff to come to your platform because they can't get what you're selling anywhere else. All you are doing is gaining short term profits for long term identity and brand damage for your home console.

>>713043524 (OP)
the key is to have fanatics pay for eternal subscriptions they forget when they are above 20, then not invest the money into making games

>>713043524 (OP)
it's just a continuation of the last 2 ps4 years. ps3 is a notorious blunder. ps1 and 2 are from an era of cheap stuff that wasn't sold to half the market we have today. It's still impressive for a nogame system to generate this much, but overall they don't appear to be in a great growth period if you stick it to the last 10 years

>>713060127
I don't think Sony cares about their reputation with 4channel gamers when they're found a business model that is 10 billion more profitable than the traditional console model.
Nintendo is actually different because they make a profit on consoles, so buying switch + game is more profitable to them then just selling game on pc. Also, their games are in such demand and their install base is so large that they can sell exclusives full price without ever putting them on sale, and they STILL outsell third-party devs and other platforms that have much better prices and better hardware.
They can do this effectively because they still know how to make good quality games within a reasonable budget and market them to people who will actually buy them.

>>713043524 (OP)
isn't it in line with inflation?

>>713060456
Not really. 3 billion in 2005 is supposedly worth 5 billion today.

>>713044540
>Question for PS owners. Is a PS5 worth it (not the Pro, because I don't care about graphics) if you already have a decent PC?

does the PS5 have 5 games on it that you want to play? if not then no

Anyone have the brand relevance PowerPoint slide with like instapot?

>>713060380
>their reputation with 4channel gamers
It's not about people here, it's about the general public.
Sony getting access to specific Marvel brands now becomes less of an appeal when it's not the only platform to sell those specific games. Sony making a AAA game isn't as appealing because the PS5 isn't the only place to purchase it now that PC has access to it. Sony having Sega or Squeenix not making them exclusive games now causes problems because they have less of a draw from those fanbases that originally found their home on Sony platforms. Sony getting access to GTA6 before anyone else is going to lead to a huge uptick in sales exactly because you can't get access to it on PC or Xbox aka exclusivity.

Whether or not Nintendo games are in higher demand is mostly irrelevant for this issue because the fact of the matter is Nintendo's brand and reputation was built around those brands being exclusive to their platform. If you could get Mario Odyssey on a PC, Xbox, or PS5 its allure wouldn't be as appealing outside of the initial "Holy crap, a first party Nintendo game on another system!" appeal which is literally what happened with Sony games when they were first ported to PC and over time cause issues for Mario and the Switch as a brand because it's not locked to Nintendo platforms anymore.

The Insomniac leaks showed that the PC sales were only a couple hundred thousand to maybe 1-2 million sales that we know of for even their biggest games released on PC at that point, and every time we saw a new release on PC the sales typically went lower and lower with an exception here or there like Days Gone.
>that is 10 billion more profitable than the traditional console model.
Yes, as I said: Short-term profits. Getting people to play Ghost of Sushi or Days Gone on PC also doesn't potentially convert these people into paying customers who buy a PS5 and start buying into your ecosystem on F2P games because they don't need to go through your platform anymore.

>>713061010
>Getting people to play Ghost of Sushi or Days Gone on PC also doesn't potentially convert these people into paying customers who buy a PS5 and start buying into your ecosystem on F2P games because they don't need to go through your platform anymore.
Yes it does, because they get a taste of Sony games. And you act like normgroids are ever going to build PCs en masse. Lol

>>713043672
PCfags are just going to emulate it in the future. Might as well make money from them now.

>>713061010
We had an entire generation where every Switch game was available on PC for free - the games were actually not exclusives and you could play them full speed on a pc that cost less than a switch - and Nintendo still won.
Again, their game+hardware production costs are sustainable and they can market to people who actually buy their shit. It doesn't matter how many other people didn't buy it. They weren't customers.
I would agree PS and Xbox do not have good business models right now, but it's not because of exclusives. Exclusives do not really make one platform better unless it makes use of exclusive hardware features. They just make other platforms worse by virtue of not having those games, when the sane default for modern development is multi platform. Forget about players buying the games - how can Sony and Xbox possibly convince developers to make exclusives without just paying them for it? It's not like they even have an SDK to compete with Unreal like they did in the days of XNA and Phyre Engine.
PS3 and PS4 sales were also mostly multiplat games. I've many friends who play console games ranging from stereotypical cod/fifa dudebros to autistic fighting game enthusiasts. NONE of them have bought their console for exclusives, but because their friends had that one.
Even if you have exclusive games you still need hardware and services that consumers find appealing and that's where Sony is failing. PS+ is not appealing to me, it's just more rent-seeking on internet service I pay for already, on top of rent-seeking on every game. I don't want their shitty overpriced and drifting controllers.
I was a fan of PSP because it actually had unique value that other products didn't. For a while it was the best mobile video player, best mobile web browser, adequate music player, on top of the best mobile game machine. Today PS5 offers absolutely nothing that I want. I'm not a PS customer anymore even if they had 10 great exclusive games. I'm spoiled for choice.

>>713061565
>Yes it does, because they get a taste of Sony games.
Why would they buy a PS5 instead of just waiting for you to port your next game? If Spidey was only on PS5 you'd be forced into buying a PS5 to play Insomniac's Spidey games at all. Then if you have to buy DLC all of that money goes directly through Sony's servers. Then maybe you want to play another game made by another company that only makes games on that system, and now you're in a spiral.
>And you act like normgroids are ever going to build PCs en masse.
No, I'm saying you lose the allure of exclusivity which artificially inflates the value of normal titles because your company made it in a locked down location. "I can only get it here so I guess I have to buy it" and so on.

>>713043524 (OP)
yes and that's entirely thanks to FIFA and GTAO whales
The industry is truly fucked

>>713059514
FIFA and GTA Online

>>713047179
Yes, corporations will technically keep setting new records in a numerical sense while everyone else's life will get worse and worse

>>713057820
cool story bro

>>713043987
it's roblox
those kids pay for more lives to do platformers

>>713043987
the one that's popular in china

>>713061746
>We had an entire generation where every Switch game was available on PC for free
Emulation is not even remotely the same and you know it. Don't pretend like it's the same situation at all. The majority of people consider it immoral or outright illegal and not even remotely comparable. It is functionally irrelevant in this argument because the general public are not going to consider it a valid option. We are talking about legal methods to obtain the games on other platforms. That is what influences their views on things.
>how can Sony and Xbox possibly convince developers to make exclusives without just paying them for it?
Xbox can't anymore, but Nintendo constantly gets exclusive third-party games on its platform without paying for them simply because it has the userbase or the specific niches it has cultivated giving these developers the confidence of sticking to that brand. They also gain the benefit of being the remora to Nintendo's nursing shark by becoming known as a "Nintendo brand" leading to people looking at that brand and storefront for that specific developer's games. That is effectively what I am saying Sony would be doing.
>PS3 and PS4 sales were also mostly multiplat games.
Yep, and I'm not denying that. But what I am saying is that by having the exclusive games you drum up interest for people because your friends or the public are talking about it. Horizon Zero Dawn, Spider-Man, Bloodborne, Astro Bot, and The Last of Us are all poster boys for this mindset where their games exploded because they were praised highly, could only be found on their respective platforms, and it convinced people who otherwise would not have wanted the systems to buy them. Exclusivity also causes people to put things on a pedestal that otherwise wouldn't be as focused on otherwise.
>I'm spoiled for choice.
Great, but that's not common. If something becomes big because of word of mouth or because a specific company is hyping it that pulls people into the system.

>>713043524 (OP)
>does not account for inflation since 2000s

>>713043987
They gave Genshin an award because of how much money it makes them.

>>713043524 (OP)
>more profit than PS1-4 combined
How the fuck?
>>713043815
That's just sad, man. The ps5 library of games is so fucking dogshit and we used to make fun of the ps3 as the "no games" console before it picked up the slack

B-but /v/tendo told me the PS brand is dead and on it's way out of the console race? Have i been lied to?

>>713044540
>Question for PS owners. Is a PS5 worth it (not the Pro, because I don't care about graphics) if you already have a decent PC?

What I'm about to say is not so much a PS5 answer, but a console answer. If convenience/plug-in-play/console exclusives don't interest you, don't bother getting one.

>>713043524 (OP)
>ahmad
>chink pfp
?

>>713053780
Sony only buys the Bluray license when you first put a disk in.

>>713044540
If you like, and you can, play on a sofa with a big 4k tv and a decent audio setting (and maybe some frens) yes, buy the PS5. If not stay on PC and then, when you will move out of your parents house, throw the PC out of the window and put a Playstation in your living room, like i did.

Selling units back to yourself doesn’t count as profit, buddy.

>>713064789
But enough about Nintendo Switch 2.

>>713043867
PS5 was never sold at loss.

>>713053183
that's not answering the question

>>713047179
Gambling enterprise is very profitable.

>>713045780
kill yourself namefag your existence is antithetical to the board

>>713047397
>marvel rivals slop enjoyer can't into optimization or buying an X3D processor to avoid framedrops
>Xhey also namefag

Out, troon.

I can't believe no one talks about how the SSD is soldered to the motherboard. There's already bricked PS5s because you can't replace the SSD when it dies. On PS4, it was pretty easy to replace the hard drive or upgrade it to an SSD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTR_mrdB7CM

>>713043524 (OP)
The numbers go up over time. Its not much different to Cookie Clicker

>>713060456
Inflation + yen being in the gutter and since Playstation is 90% overseas revenue, it's like a money multiplier.

>>713064373
If you want to cost Sony money enable WMA audio playback in the menu of PS3. I did so and proceeded to never use it at all.

>>713066067
They'll just tell you to buy a PS6

>>713043958
さすがクソデカスマホだな

>>713043524 (OP)
All this tells us is that Sony users are getting nickel and dimed hard by Sony through MTX and their online sub.

>>713043815
>GaaS
*sniffffff*

>>713043524 (OP)
What's the PS5 profit when not compared to the $10 billion cumulative profit generated during the PS1-PS4 generation (RIP PS3)?

ok cool
wheres the games?

>>713051278
Most PC gamers are poorfags who are fine with 1080p 30-60FPS and they can pirate everything for free. The whole "there's no overlap" narrative is just delusional propaganda for Sony's investors.

>>713043524 (OP)
All i see is that the ps5 had a strong start then crashed and then didnt completely recover.

>>713043524 (OP)
>the fewer games they release the better the consoles sell
I don't get it. Playstation 4 and 5 have been worthless in my eyes and I always assumed they'd only sell based on the brand name recognition alone but they're actually outperforming all their good consoles
Is this proof that videogames are irredeemably fucked? Devs don't even have an incentive to make good or interesting games like this

>>713043815
You hate to see it

>>713069947
>I don't get it. Playstation 4 and 5 have been worthless in my eyes and I always assumed they'd only sell based on the brand name recognition alone but they're actually outperforming all their good consoles
>Is this proof that videogames are irredeemably fucked? Devs don't even have an incentive to make good or interesting games like this

PS4, PS5, Xbox One, Xbox Series X, and Steam Deck are essentially just AMD PC boxes that run game code

>>713069732
Why do people here pretend to like Bloodborne?

>>713051675
Nintendo would never accept Roblox
Switch couldn't really handle Fortnite so it was perfect for Sony, they basically got another free win last generation with that. But basically you're right, I believe Sony will lose a ton of profit this generation because Switch 2 will be able to handle a lot of games they never could before.

>>713044919
PC is full of thirdies so its the poorfag system

>>713043524 (OP)
inflation doe

>>713043815
Truly amazing Sony is only kept afloat thanks to third worlders

>>713050992
Because unlike Sony they are not hemorrhaging money left and right with GaaS.

>>713043672
Because it makes more money? These aren't mutually exclusive concepts especially today with inflated game budgets. It ain't 2006 anymore lil bro

>>713071787
Nah they're doing it because they're not making as much profit as people think, it doesn't help that everything that used to be exclusive on Playstation no longer exists, it's all multiplats

>>713043524 (OP)
>PS5
Factually untrue. Read your own pic. It doesn't say "PS5" it says
>PS5 generation
"PS5 generation" as per Sony's own definition includes all profits SIE earned since 2020 (unclear if it's from November 2020 or if they count entire 2020 even before PS5 launched)
That includes: PS5 hardware, PS4 hardware, PSVR2 hardware, PS Portal, peripherials, PS5 games, PS4 games, PSVR2 games, PSS catalog sales, PC ports, PS+ subscribers, microtransactions, cuts from gacha etc.
It's profit for the entire Sony Interactive Entertainment since 2020, not just PS5. PS5 has nothing to do with sales of ports on Steam, does it? Half of Playstation players still being on PS4 shouldn't be counted towards PS5, should it?
If PS5 was doing so well Sony wouldn't have to invent an entire new way to obfuscate its actual numbers.
It's like when Sony was counting PSP and Vita together.

It's sad when even Sonyfags get bamboozled by Sony's shadiness.

>>713072250
>It's sad when even Sonyfags get bamboozled by Sony's shadiness.
I mean, it's not like they're smart enough not to.

>>713071787
>Because it makes more money
It doesn't, there was already very little overlap in pc and PlayStation buyers last gen when they had at least one game and now they have even less reason to buy their system and their software sales have been in the gutter this gen including third party games.

>>713072250
>If PS5 was doing so well Sony wouldn't have to invent an entire new way to obfuscate its actual numbers.
They haven't. But that is what you've done. They literally say "PS5 generation" and you can't handle it.

>>713075681
>They haven't
cope

>>713076430
>cope
what the fuck would I be coping for? I don't have shares in the company. Do you?

>>713043815
>Playstation games flop and fail to meet their targets
>but Playstation is also more profitable than ever thanks to the 30% they get from Roblox, CoD, Fortnite and FIFA money

Disgusting. No surprise Sony only release like 1-2 first party games every year at this point. They purely release those out of obligation.

>>713076480
you are coping because you are a fanboy of this company and you don't like it when people point out that it might not be doing so well so you deny the obvious. that's what outed you.

>>713076516
PS5 generation literally means the bunch of consoles and software attached to the PS5.
Do you do English at all?

>>713076516
>you don't like it when people point out that it might not be doing so well
It's Sony's most profitable console.

>>713076621
>>713076680
wrong
try reading the small print next time, it's exactly as what >>713072250 said.

>>713050992
They make a lot more per unit than anyone else
Not that they wouldn't make bank and get pr for finally letting their customers officially use something that isn't a slave cage if they did port to pc and mobile
Nintendo ideologically hates freedom to the point where they don't see the money in it

>>713076719
nothing in that image suggests anything different to what is posted?

>>713076793
what part of "total G&NS" do you not understand?

>Sony is making money from PSP sales , not PS5 sales
lol

>>713076831
which hardware and software is being produced?

>>713043524 (OP)
damn ps3 was that bad hud

>profit
theres that word again

>more retards buy shitty products
And roses are red

More PC fag melties

>>713076903
>PS5 hardware, PS4 hardware, PSVR2 hardware, PS Portal, peripherials, PS5 games, PS4 games, PSVR2 games, PSS catalog sales, PC ports, PS+ subscribers, microtransactions, cuts from gacha etc.

>>713077163
>he thinks the PS5 sales are all ps4 hardware sales
ha ha retard

>>713077293
ok ;)

>>713050992
because the modders/devs do it
how else would you explain me beating both Botw and Totk on PC in 4K?

>>713053183
>>713070840
>>713076751
wrong

>>713050992
Because Nintendo unlike Sony and Microsoft knows how to budget their games. That's the entire reason.

Sony and Microsoft are porting their exclusive game because there's not enough Playstation users/Xbox users to buy their games so they send their game to another platform like PC.

Breath of the Wild was their biggest bet and yet it only needed 1 million sales to break even.

>>713077328
Sony stopped producing PS4 hardware in 2021 yet you somehow think the sales are PS4 related. You dumb mong

>>713069479
DIABOLICAL KEK

>>713077373
2021 is after 2020, which is when they start counting ;)

>>713043524 (OP)
>$23B profit
>$382B revenue
>6.02% return overall
Impressive, Sony
I've never seen such low numbers from a big business

>>713077357
>wrong
yeah nintendo is well known for letting players do whatever they want with their hardware and software

>>713077603
>i was wrong so i'm going to deflect to a completely unrelated topic to derail discussion
embarrassing

>>713043524 (OP)
So in other words, Sony is ripping people off?
Because there are not more PS5’s out there than all those other consoles combined

>>713077673
do you think any of the subsidiaries of nintendo that make games would actually want to limit their sales if it wasn't for the suits being obsessed with selling toys?

>>713077675
Correct. They're nickel and diming their consumers like never before. Of course, this isn't a problem for all those people who call other companies "evil, greedy and anti-consumer" when it's Sony.

>>713044540
>if you already have a decent PC?
Define 'decent.'

>one said it's worth it because Japanese games often get crappy ports on PC, so you kind of complement your PC with the PS5.
Ports are bad because they don't take full advantage of PC hardware. But even baseline bad ports will run better on PC than they will on base PS5.

>In my case, I have some digital PS4 games on my PSN account that I didn't even have time to play properly because the console belonged to my brother and he ended up selling it. So I would at least have a few extra games to play if I bought a PS5.
So your intention is to recover a few hundred dollars by spending a few hundred dollars? What kind of sense does that make?

>>713043524 (OP)
>SEE? IT'S DOING REALLY WELL! YOU NEED TO BUY IT
nah not buying

>>713077675
Surely you don't believe it's hardware sales that drive profit?
>>713077732
Fifa retards choosing ps as their console of choice isn't the same as bribing people to stop making emulators

>>713044339
>the line can't go up forever
there's still billions of chinks, poos and others who they can sell shit to. their profits are mainly from these markets already, i'm sure.

>>713043524 (OP)
all that profit and they STILL got no games to play

>>713047397
>Dude, my 3070 can't even keep up a solid 60 in Marvel Rivals a lot of the time even with DLSS on at 1080p and the new map they just released literally drops to 5 FPS when I go to spectating after death sometimes
Sounds like a configuration problem because the 3070 is significantly stronger than a PS5.

Isn't it a bit disingenuous to pretend that the PS5 is Sony's most successful console based solely off Sony's profit since 2020, when the hardware is more expensive than ever, games are more expensive than ever, and more importantly, more and more people are paying into microtransactions? The last two have nothing to do with what the console actually is, they could have not released the PS5 and the last 5 years would still have been their most profitable ever.

>>713051278
>most 18-30 year olds just have a console
zoomers don't play consoles

Who is honestly playing a PS5 because of exclusives?

It's basically just a giant smartphone for third worlders. I see absolutely no reason to be interested in a PS6, either.

>>713043524 (OP)
>sell an AMD gaming laptop chipset in a box with a playstation badge at a grossly overblown price
>make huge profit
wow, who would've thought. this is no longer the ps1-ps3 which all had custom chips designed for their specific purpose.

>>713043524 (OP)
Has it generated any games yet?

>>713055395
Just to put it into perspective, to install Stellar blade without getting raped by mandatory offline, the snoy has to
>install the game
>go offline
>uninstall the game,
>install it again
>NEVER go online again
Snoys have to jump through all these hoops just to install a game without getting raped by mandatory online.
>>install the game
>go offline
>delete the game,
>go offline
Snoys have to jump through all these hoops JUST to install a game without getting raped by mandatory online.
>Braghing Stellar blade got buzz for doing what was bare minimum 10 years ago
>I genuinely can't believe people like you exist
How many layers of irony and delusion do snoys cope with every day? Do they see a green sky when they look up? It's amazing

>>713043524 (OP)
>No games
>Somehow "generates profit"
Biggest scam of the century

>>713079914
>install the game
>go offline
>uninstall the game,
>install it again
No, this isn't necessary. You do not need to install the game online first to begin with, it's just that most people will have to because they initially had it installed. The entire reason why they wanted 1.0 installed at all is for the uncensored outfits. You could start offline and stick it in and it would install no matter what because there is no check to install games offline.

>>713080040
>You could start offline and stick it in and it would install no matter what because there is no check to install games offline.
Excep for your PS5 refusing to play games entirely if you've been offline for too long

>>713080136
That's for digital games because it can only keep your licenses for like 90 days or something. Anything physical is not subject to that.

>>713080203
>That's for digital games because it can only keep your licenses for like 90 days or something.
>PS5 breaks
>Takes 91 days for it to be repaired
>Money stolen

>>713043524 (OP)
How did they manage that when it sold just over half as much as the ps4 and the games keep flopping?

>>713080436
Which is why you don't pay for air, yes. Digital is garbage unless it's for piracy.

>>713043672
>tard gets a reality check
we've been telling you for years exclusives don't move consoles anymore

>>713080203
>Anything physical is not subject to that.
Except for your game needing an online validation to tie it to your account so you can play it at all. Consoles are called DRM boxes for a reason
>inb4 NUH UH!
Hell, even you admit it.
>The entire buzz about Stellar Blade
If this is an intrinsic property of all physicals, why did Stellar blade get any buzz for doing what everyone else does? Could it be because it's the sole exception?

>>713051938
>>713052739
>>713071787
Retards.
Just like Sony who willingly killing their platform trying to copy Xbox failed model.
When Wii U flopped despite having Mario Kart 8, Zelda BOTW and Splatoon, what Nintendo did? I bet if you were making decisions for them you would just port all those games to PC to make 'more money '. Fortunately Nintendo aren't retards like you, so they tried another console and just released all the same games on that one and now MK8DX sold 68 millions.

>>713047179
>I have one data point, I know everything
You did post a picture of a retard, at least.

>>713044540
I dunno. For a very long time my PS5 was just a youtube machine because there wasn't anything I wanted to play. In the last year and a half I've made a conscious effort to play more games on it through the PS+ subscription and I am playing games I normally wouldn't have played. I'd say I'm close to breaking even, but some anons may say that's a loss because it should be worth or bust.

>>713070019
They haven't played it.

>>713080642
>Except for your game needing an online validation to tie it to your account so you can play it at all.
It does not, I don't know how many times I need to explain this to you. Physical does not have keys, licenses, or online validation required to play a game on your system. It is not tied to an account. It is not tied to a system. It is not tied to anything. If your actual PSN account is banned for something like doing a chargeback on a purchase you can still make a local account and play that exact same disk on the system or even buy a brand new PS5, never connect it to the internet, and play it because the disk itself doesn't work like that. Even when Concord was delisted from all storefronts you can still buy the game physically, stick it in your PS5, and it will still install the game and boot it, you'll just be stuck on the main menu forever because it was an online game.

The only thing that requires validation when it comes to physical copies is on Slims and Pros which is that if you buy the disk add-on you have to do a one-time online check because it has to tie the add-on to your system. If you bought a disk PS5 it by default has already been validated while they were assembling it.
>why did Stellar blade get any buzz for doing what everyone else does?
Because there was an entire censorship fiasco surrounding Stellar Blade and the costumes which people found out could be undone if you went to 1.0 which was only possible with the disk. There aren't many games that benefit from being at 1.0 and this was a controversy at launch which led to people talking about this specifically.

Why do you argue like you've never even researched basic things about a system or even looked at discussions online, some on this very board which was spammed nonstop for over a week like the Stellar Blade example, yet act so confident about your complaining?

Anyone have the chart from a couple years ago that showed that all SIE’s profits were from third party microtransactions? One showing they had made 5 billion from that while only posting a profit of 2 billion that year.

>>713043524 (OP)
PS5 was sold for a profit a few months after release and there is ton of paid online users now, doesn't surprise me.

>>713044540
not really, you'll play a handful of games and then it will gather dust

>>713081378
I know someone who bought one at launch just to play FF16 and Rebirth and couldn't stomach the latter after the game shat out all the mini games at you. Now it gathers dust.

"PS5 era"
where most people were playing on PS4 retard
That's where the profit came from

>>713081085
>It does not, I don't know how many times I need to explain this to you
You can get chatgpt to repeat this lie as much as you want, but the reality is that all console games demand an online authorization after you install them as part of their DRM license check. And the console itself will refuse to let you play if you stay offline for too long.
Oh btw this is about just turning your modem off. If you want to use the Sony approved way of playing offline, you have to go online(defeating the point), authorize your console then specifically enable offline play.
>censorship
Nice deflection
>It is not tied to an account. It is not tied to a system. It is not tied to anything.
You just argued that PS5 games have no drm. So go ahead, burn a copy of a PS5 disk of your choosing and plug it in. Let me know how that goes.

>>713043524 (OP)
so they'll start making games again any day now, right?

>>713083131
>but the reality is that all console games demand an online authorization after you install them as part of their DRM license check.
Nope, and I'd like you to show me proof of this since you seem so convinced this happens with physical copies. This happens with digital copies you paid for using your online store account and then proceeded to download to said account, something that is industry standard and happens on Steam, Switch, and Xbox.
>If you want to use the Sony approved way of playing offline, you have to go online(defeating the point), authorize your console then specifically enable offline play.
Nope, again. You do not need to authorize the disk PS5 at all. As soon as you buy the thing from a store you can refuse to ever start online and refuse to sign into a PSN account and it'll make a local account and play disks. It is not an Xbox Series S or X that requires online for first time setup.

The Slim and Pro require it because they are digital-only consoles and cannot use disks in any way without the disk add-on you buy separately and does not come with either system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgCNsB5O4R0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3v1Ey8ySkI
The only people who actually show this entire process seem to be Indians, but here's two examples of people playing with disk PS5s with the second guy even showing you the game install offline. You can also download the system updates manually to a thumb drive to install them instead of going online on your actual console to play the latest games.
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/ps5/system-software/#update
>Nice deflection
What deflection? What did I even deflect from? The entire reason why people wanted 1.0 is because the outfits were censored. Digital copies cannot go to 1.0. The only way you can get it is by installing a disk copy offline and staying offline.
>You just argued that PS5 games have no drm.
No, I argued they do not get tied to your account or system.

>>713043524 (OP)
How? Interesting that aren't specifically saying console sales
I have a feeling there is some serious fucky wording and stat manipulation going on to get that metric, as there is simply nothing worth playing on ps5

>>713047179
duing the 20s depression movie theaters didnt see a loss in revenue.

>>713044339
>the line can't go up forever
you just said the forbidden words that would get you fired, sued, and possibly lynched by any corporate board and its shareholders
You absolutely, positively, cannot say that shit no matter how true it is. Our entire economic system in the west is predicated on "line go up". Society depends on line go up forever.

>>713080249
KEK

>>713084674
no anon I mean that pretty much everyone knows this, like it's common sense
still you can't move the line up artificially: jacking up ps plus and games prices, laying off people etc etc
if line didn't keep going up investors would have pulled their investments already

>>713064817
Not at a loss D O E.

>>713043672
how they gotted their profits

>>713084438
>I'd like you to show me proof of this since you seem so convinced this happens with physical copies
https://x.com/NextGenPlayer/status/1911445395177119857
Here's an example.
>Nope, again
>https://www.playstation.com/en-in/support/account/ps5-console-sharing-offline-play/
>Console Sharing and Offline Play is automatically enabled on the PS5® console you've used to sign in to PlayStation™Network for the first time.
That was easy to disprove. You need to work harder.
>Still talking about slim and pro
Kek, there's that deflection again
>What did I even deflect from?
The fact that physical games need online DRM checks. Your assertion that they dont is still unproven, btw.
>go ahead, burn a copy of a PS5 disk of your choosing and plug it in. Let me know how that goes.
Still waiting. What's wrong? It installs off the disk and doesnt need online at all, right? So you can copy the disk in its entirety and it'll still work.

>>713085265
>Here's an example.
That wasn't at all what we were talking about though and that specific example of the game not always being on the disk was something I mentioned multiple times, particularly >>713047397 with Activision. Does It Play also directly shows you that the overwhelming majority of games released do not require this which I also showed you >>713051331. It is not standard at all.
>you've used to sign in to PlayStation™Network for the first time.
If you actually spent more than five seconds reading your own link you sent me it lists, and I quote
>When you enable Console Sharing and Offline Play, anyone who uses your PS5 console can:
>Play your games and media even when the console is offline.
>Play games and media you've purchased and downloaded.
>Enjoy some benefits of your PlayStation®Plus membership.
It is not about playing games offline in general, it is about playing digital games taken from another person's online account and being allowed to play them offline. I literally gave you two videos which you clearly didn't watch that show the entire process from start to finish setting up a PS5 fully offline, never going online, and making a local account which directly contradicts how you think it works.
>The fact that physical games need online DRM checks.
Do you understand what a DRM check is? The new Doom, Indiana Jones, Alan Wake 2, the Spyro Reignited Trilogy, and Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1+2 are all basic examples of games that do not come on the disk and have to be downloaded. That is not common and Does It Play even shows you this. It's 14% and 11% of the over 1600 PS5 and PS4 games they tested.
>Still waiting. What's wrong?
Because you're being completely disingenuous in your argument. The DRM is that the Bluray has some way of being recognized as a legal game which is why you can't jut burn a game to a disk. What it doesn't have is a license key tied to your account or system that only that account or system can play it at all.

I doubt it

>>713086075
>https://www.doesitplay.org/game/Indiana%20Jones%20and%20the%20Great%20Circle/ps5/Base%20PS5?region=PEGI&version=Standard
>Offline play: Yes.
There. That's all the proof I need to show that your narrative website is a fucking sham.
Or what, are you going to flip the script and argue the game is playable offline now, despite seeing irrefutable proof that its not?

>>713045406
That's coming to PC now

>>713057820
You're right, I can't, but he can

>>713087292
>that your narrative website is a fucking sham.
Except you completely forgot to mention the "Download Required: Yes" aspect of it which is blatantly stated literally right next to the fact you can play it offline. It does not tell you you can play it offline without downloading something, it says you can play it offline but you need to download the game first.

This is the dumbest argument I have ever seen.

>>713087445
>game cant be played without going online
>Online play: yes
You got caught lying. Stop digging deeper.
>It does not tell you you can play it offline without downloading something
But if you NEED to download something to play it at all, you cannot, by definition, play it completely offline. So your entire post >>713051331 falls apart.
It's easy for me to say every single one of that 99% has a
>you need to download something first
to completely refute your point. I've already done so with a hard example.

>>713087445
>it says you can play it offline but you need to go online first.
Fucking snoys, not even once.

>>713087704
>You got caught lying. Stop digging deeper.
What am I lying about? I have multiple times said that some games do not come on the disk. This doesn't stop the overwhelming majority of games that do come on the disk from somehow playing offline straight off the bat.
>But if you NEED to download something to play it at all, you cannot, by definition, play it completely offline.
No one is saying you can play everything completely offline, YOU are the one hyperfixating on this specific example of game that doesn't come on the disk and then making a blanket statement that all of them do this when 86% of games tested on PS5 and 88% of games tested on PS4 do not require a download at all to play them whatsoever and can be immediately installed and played offline without ever having connected online because they are on the disk. You are cherry picking specific games that require online downloads to try and blanket everything as requiring this.

That is why the site lists both offline play AND download play required so you know if the game is even on the disk or not, and as you can see with the "Download required: Yes" sections it's 14% of games and 12% of games respectively either due to not coming on the disk or being an online game to begin with meaning the overwhelming majority of games they tested can be played without a download or patch at all straight from the disk.

>>713088369
>This doesn't stop the overwhelming majority of games that do come on the disk from somehow playing offline straight off the bat.
>overwhelming majority
let me guess: your source is the same website that said a gamr.that requires a mandatory download is playable completely offline.
>No one is saying you can play everything completely offline,
>>713081085
>you can still make a local account and play that exact same disk on the system or even buy a brand new PS5, never connect it to the internet, and play it because the disk itself doesn't work like that.
There you go. Caught Lying. Again.
Oh, fun fact: I had a look at their methodology and this is literally the first point:
>Take the hardware platform (PC/console/handheld) fully offline and remain offline until the test is completed.
Indiana Jones is completely unplayable under just this one condition. This proves the statistic is meaningless since this is a lie and who knows how many more are like this. Why dont you give me some examples to make you look worse? Lets have some names.
>86% of games tested on PS5 and 88% of games tested on PS4 do not require a download at all to play them whatsoever and can be immediately installed and played offline without ever having connected online
>Download required: Yes
kek so how many of those "fully playble offline!" physical games are like this?
>cherrypicking!!!
And here comes the cope and tears.

>>713069732
KNACK 2, BABY

>>713044540
So far, no. It hasn't been really worth it. The best use for it has been as a Netflix machine, and playing games like Rise of the Ronin that run like absolute ass on PC. It will have a rare use case for me in the near future with Ghost of Yotei though, if that game turns out well.

>>713089363
>There you go. Caught Lying. Again.
Lying about what? I was never once talking about games that require online downloads to play because, as I've stated like five times this point, I already stated some games do not come with the data on the disk and by definition they wouldn't be playable offline from the onset because they're not on the disk. You are focusing on the 14% and 12% of games that require downloads that do and saying the 80+% that don't need it as well which is not the case at all.
>Indiana Jones is completely unplayable under just this one condition. This proves the statistic is meaningless since this is a lie and who knows how many more are like this.
Indiana Jones is completely unplayable offline just off the disk which is why it's "Download required: Yes". It becomes "Offline playable: Yes" because one you meet the "Download required: Yes" portion it becomes playable offline permanently. Even if you want to argue "Offline playable" is not a metric to go by because of your pedantic demands then "Download required" is the metric your pedantic argument wants because that outright shows you what is technically not playable offline from the start and that's still 85+% of games being playable without a download.
>kek so how many of those "fully playble offline!" physical games are like this?
Again, all the "Download Required: Yes" games need downloads and are listed and aggregated as such. So 14% of games and 11% of games need downloads and this is so clearly stated I can't believe you can read my essays and miss that. 86% of games and 89% of games do not. That is anything that requires a download, period. Not just the game not being on the disk but because of the game being unplayable due to glitches on an unpatched version.

I don't know how much clearer this can get. You are stating roughly 10% of the games invalidates 90% of games being playable offline.

>>713090180
>Indiana Jones is completely unplayable offline just off the disk which is why it's "Download required: Yes". It becomes "Offline playable: Yes" because one you meet the "Download required: Yes" portion it becomes playable offline permanently
I didnt know chatgpt could generate kike-tier arguments. Impressive.
Oh btw, here's another condition
>Ideally, use a local profile that has not been connected to any online services like PlayStation Network, EA Origin, Bethesda.net, Battle.net, etc.
So is the game playable on a local account that has never gone online? Of course not. And yet, Offline: yes. Yeah, this is a lie.
>I can't believe you can read my essays and miss that. 86% of games and 89% of games do not.
Because your source for that, as I've shown, is meaningless. And chatgpt refuses to name any games to help you prove your point so oh well

Chatgpt-keks...

>>713091026
moose-sama's pwning your ytboi timmy ass doe

>>713090706
>And yet, Offline: yes. Yeah, this is a lie.
Which is why I gave your pedantic argument the "Download Required: Yes" requirement since "Offline: Yes" is more broadly encompassing. By not requiring a download you can load the game immediately from the disk offline, period.
>Because your source for that, as I've shown, is meaningless
No, you have shown why "Offline: Yes" doesn't work for your specific argument because it includes being able to go offline after you've downloaded the game from the servers. You have not shown why "Download Required: No" doesn't disprove everything you say because by definition it only gets that moniker if it's playable offline out of the gate when you stick the disk in.
>
>refuses to name any games to help you prove your point so oh well
Now you are just making less and less sense as a whole. There is an entire list of every game they have to show you literally every game that doesn't require a download.
https://www.doesitplay.org/list?platform=PS5&downloadRequired=No&page=1
https://www.doesitplay.org/list?platform=PS5&downloadRequired=No*&page=1
https://www.doesitplay.org/list?platform=PS4&downloadRequired=No*&page=1
https://www.doesitplay.org/list?platform=PS4&downloadRequired=No*&page=1

>>713091026
embarrassing that it takes a full study and research grant to solidify the idea that trying to offload your writing skills to a machine erodes your writing skills and still gives you a shitty turn-out