Thread 713044635

>have little experience playing fighting games
>see sf4 on sale. decide to buy it
>play and try to learn Cody for 6 hours, manage to beat the cpu on hard
>decide to play ranked
>get matched with people with 1500+ PP/BP
>play 12 matches, get bodied in all of them

Should I bother learning fighting games or just waste my time in another genre?

>>713044635 (OP)
1. You shouldn't it's a complete waste of time unless you have a friend you can actually play with.
2. Everyone still playing SF4 is going to be godly remember this is two SF ago a 15 year old game. You'd be far better off playing a new game probably.
3. Actually getting good is a huge time commitment especially if you are coming from 0 experience. You pretty much have to throw the idea of playing any other games out the window and dedicating lots of time to learning and grinding out the minutia of these games and that's just to be decent. It's a genre for people that are only going to play this genre and only like 3 games regularly.

>>713044635 (OP)
Don't waste time on competitive game genres ever

You don't need to win in order to have fun.
This mindset, not skill, is what separates the what from the chaff.

You don't need to win in order to have fun. This mindset, not skill, is what separates the wheat from the chaff.

>>713044635 (OP)
tbf you shouldn't jump into fighters that are over a decade old and its remaining playerbase only consist of diehard pros. That's never a good time. Try to get into a recent fighter with a sizable playerbase so there's plenty of other casuals still trying to learn the game to match up against.

>>713044635 (OP)
SF4 is a 15 year old game, so the people who play it aren't going to lose easily. they have a very broad knowledge of the options avalible to them. play with a friend i love sf iv i'd love to play and teach others to play

>>713044635 (OP)
>pick up a +10 year old game
>surprised only tryhards are still playing it

>>713044635 (OP)
Playing old ass SF4 is why you got bodied
It's like hopping on Broodwar or Quake
Just about everybody leftover after all these years will have been playing since forever

This isn't necessarily a bad thing though, if you enjoy the challenge you'll eventually grow
The breakthrough moment of finally getting good enough to go toe-to-toe with them would undoubtedly be memorable

>>713044635 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrFpdsdoMjw

you should try to do the cody trials. you can have fun challenging yourself to do that without playing other players. It'll also give you a grip of what is possible and how your character can transition from one move to another in a fun and engaging way.

>>713044635 (OP)
Shoulda done the Cody online special.

>>713044635 (OP)
>fighting games
>learning
getting good at fighting games is a little bit like getting good at something like art. You should not be intimidated by people with more experience because if you have 'talent' you will leapfrog them in a fraction of the time anyway.

Even if you're not a natural, just knowing the right things and making a breakthrough in mindset will instantly advance you what would take hundreds of hours of mindless grinding. Improvement is not about the raw hours spent practicing at all.

you are gonna get fucked in an old game lol
that said, don't be scared of losing, focus on getting better instead
you gotta get washed to get clean after all

>>713044635 (OP)
also, playing against the CPU isn't really a good way to learn to play a fighting game. a real player will be trying to identify your weaknesses and adapting in a way that the CPU doesn't. You can also do the same against a human opponent.

>>713045379
This
I always set my own challenges and have fun even if I'm getting bodied.
Like if I know the opponents are generally better than me then I'm like 'if I can take down 50% of a clearly better player's HP then that's a win for me'. Meanwhile I'm also enjoying just getting better at the game

>>713044635 (OP)
>pick unpopulated older game that is 2 games behind the latest and from two decades ago
>goes against the CPU as if it will do anything
>whine like a surprised idiot about the genre when the only people playing online are obviously good
Are you retarded?

>>713044635 (OP)
Idk man. I only play sf and I have 30 years experience. Its hard to get into without the right kind of people to learn the game with, no question. You better start at like 12 with your school friends who might also play. Starting at 30 as a wagie with no friends and only online would be pure suffering, I imagine.

>>713044635 (OP)
You're playing a 16 year old game (that hurt to type) in ranked queue. They probably have done more homework than you.

>>713044635 (OP)
The only people playing old fighting games have hundreds if not thousands of hours in them. They may not be good, or they may be willing to go easy on you, but they have years of knowledge over you. You should learn to set smaller goals and enjoy the gradual improvement if you want to play those games. If that's not interesting to you, either pick up the latest SF or find another genre.

sadly sf4 doesn't get new players so you're fucked until it gets rollback
fighting games are also a genre in which every franchise is at its worst right now, you play them in locals with your friends and that's when it's fun, as a competitive game you'll just be wasting your time
>next game comes out
>it's completely different and more braindead than the previous one
>sf6 is filled with reaction checks as if it was a mario party minigame of press the button when thing flashes
don't get me wrong, it's still *slightly* entertaining but it's just not worth playing
enjoy other genres and play the fighting games that you find appealing and see if it has a scene or get your friends to play it with you

>>713044968
Like this Anon said, playing with friends is the way to go with fighting games. Either find someone you know who is already familiar with the genre or get someone else to learn at the same pace as you. Playing against bots is immensely boring once you learn even the basics of a game, and playing online against randoms will likely make you frustrated or jaded with enough time.

>>713044635 (OP)
Everyone on SF4 online are smurfs. Meaning they are experienced(or experienced enough) with knowledge with 0 points. New players players jumping into the game now will get slaughtered harder then when it was still active and new-ish.

Ssme will happen to SF5.

>>713046942
This is the realest post ITT. People think FG improvement is a slow, linear grind where you just have to stockpile hours, but it's not XP farming—it's more like solving puzzles. You hit walls until something clicks, and suddenly your whole game levels up. That "aha" moment where you finally understand spacing, or frame traps, or when to anti-air? Worth more than 50 hours of aimless matches. Grind smart, not long.

>>713049715
>until it gets rollback
god i wish

>>713050373
fighting collection 3
umvc3, usf4 rollback

>>713044635 (OP)
>Should I bother learning fighting games
Only if your skin is brown. Then yes, by all means, stay in your containment genre.

>>713050502
And crossplay. Dear god that would be nice.

>>713050659
Who cucked you?

>>713050851
You don't deserve to see White skin at your smelly events, Joao.

>>713045379
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBQ5AS1kqBM&pp=ygUbbSBiaXNvbiBzdGFuZGluZyByb3VuZGhvdXNl
SF4 kino of the highest caliber

>you lose at the game if your skill is low
This is just awful game design. I should never be challenged by anything.

>>713044635 (OP)
Cody is actually a really good starting point, but you're playing against people who have been playing for 15 years in a game with 1-frame links

>>713044635 (OP)
Doesn't matter what fighting game you pick up, expect to lose all of your matches for at least half a year. Each one just has so many layers of knowledge and skill required to play them. Just how it is.

Takes a long time to get mediocre unless you're gifted. Losing to betters should motivate you to build your skills and come back. I would recommend playing something more populated so that you aren't discouraged early on and then move back to the niche games with regular players as you still you need to build your fundamentals when just starting out.

>>713044635 (OP)
just throw rocks at them. Idiot

>>713044635 (OP)
all i remember is playing zangief and using his tornado move to spam my way through very hard legit no cpu can handle it ez 100Gamer score on my xbox account

>>713044635 (OP)
>sf4
that game released like 20 years ago or something like that.
You are bound to only fight mostly pros. Also combos and beating the arcade mode dont count for anything

>>713051226
who the fuck are you quoting, schizo
modern fighting games are trash and it's not a skill issue

>>713044635 (OP)
The problem with fighting games is that unless you’re a complete sweatlord they’re only fun for the first few years after they release. Anything that’s 10+ years old is only going to have other players that do nothing but play that one game all day, so you’re never ever going to win unless you, for some reason, decide to also become a sweatlord for a dead game

>>713052925
They're best played with a friend who's as good/shit as you. At least in my experience. That way he can hear you laugh when you wake-up dp a fifth time in a row.

SF4 is a great game but it's only being played by diehard oldheads these days and most characters are pretty execution-heavy to get their BnBs off. It's not a bad first game but only if you can find someone around your level willing to play it. If you want SF there's 6 which is the newest one and has more lower-level players, but if you want Cody he's not in 6 as of now but he is in V which is at least easier than 4.

>>713050502
Throw in SFxT and/or TvC.

>>713052925
The great thing about modern fighting games is that there are a lot more people playing them and online infrastructure has improved so much that you can find people at your level to challenge you to grow no matter how bad you are you when start.

Only problem is taking dogshit fighting game threads on /v/ so seriously that it clouds your ability to enjoy yourself.

what if they add a stamina bar for fighting games

>>713044635 (OP)
Probably bait but ill bite. The first thing you need to do is to completely remove the ego and understand you're going to lose alot. It's fine. Watch match videos so you will get a better understanding of how your character is played, combos etc. Have fun

>>713044635 (OP)
SF4 has horrible matchmaking, so your best bet is to find locals or, more likely, a Discord server dedicated to the game to find lobbies. That's how most old fighters are.

>>713050502
>umvc3
Nta but I remember when rollback for this was being worked on by some guy from Twitter. Of course he ended up dropping it years ago but it really wish someone else would've picked it up. It's one of the only "modern" fighting games I care for, even with how annoying some of the characters are lol.

>>713044635 (OP)
I enjoy them. Like others said getting into an old game where most players have been at it a while is harder, but if you can still have fun losing while you learn you should keep at it. Fighting games are fun.

I should boot up sf4 again and play single player just to look at the girls costumes again
Remember the French maid outfit for chun li and Harley Quinn Cammy?

>>713044635 (OP)
4 is for playing with friends sometimes at locals or fucking around with in training. playing awful delay netcode with 5 other people who've been playing for a decade in 4 instead of playing near flawless rollback with thousands of people in your exact skill range in 6 is a choice you could only arrive to from being manipulated by vee shitposting from people who don't play either game
6 is fine, its tailor made for beginners and tons of people play it.

>>713057683
sad trvke

I actually enjoyed fighting games when I was a stoner.
The loop of online matches, and practice mode with Kolin, was really fun during those few years.

After I stopped smoking weed though its not as fun, I'd rather play another genre.

4 is worth it for Omega Mode, Hakan, and the most fun iteration of Poison (fuck that shit they did to her in V, I want my rekka and meaty fireball back). Only reason I'd go back to V is to lab Gill combos or jerk off to Chun/Menat.

>>713057683
6 isn’t bad but pretty much each version of street fighter is a different game at its core so I can understand why someone would prefer 4.