When it comes to the Halo franchise, of course the original games are still the best. However, there's this excessive hatred toward anything 343 Industries has attempted since Halo 4. All of the main games have a solid core of gameplay, and when they try to appeal to new audiences, they do so without straying from their original identity.


Frankly, all they needed was a firm direction as to where they wanted to take the plot. I'm genuinely surprised that some people find them unplayable when they share so many features with the original games.

>>713046115 (OP)
didnt read.
making Cortana a villain was really, really dumb.
343 fucked it all up.

>>713046115 (OP)
Your mom

>>713046115 (OP)
Halo 5 had a genuinely great multiplayer but the campaign was ass. Halo Infinite has a good multiplayer but it took years of work to get there, if it released in its current state I think it would've been huge. Halo 4 has no redeeming qualities. The Halo CE remake will probably be good but the rabid Halo 3 fags will seethe over it. 343i is like a little retarded child that keeps trying to do their best but they just can't figure out how to do it right.

>>713046115 (OP)
Halo went from the face of gaming to a niche series for troons, how much worse can it get?

>>713046401
>Halo 4 has no redeeming qualities.
The campaign is unironically good. It has its linearity issues, but it never reaches the level of exaggeration that it was in Halo CE.

>>713046115 (OP)
>Vidya franchises whose current state is not nearly as bad as people want to pretend
You are joking, aren't you?
Not nearly as bad? At one time this franchise moved consoles and was compared to Mario in sales numbers but now the franchise is just irrelevant even after MS poured over 200M into it.
The last time any gaming channel mentioned it was appended to Doom.
The general public has moved on. You are using the MCC logo for a reason.

Fact of the matter is that the situation sucks. What is essentially wrong with Halo happens to be the people in charge of it and very those same people are not leaving Microsoft any time soon.
I'd dare to say that even Duke Nukem would be more favorably received if Gearbox were to give that another shot than another Halo game under Microsoft. I understand there are ways to turn things around but they are not happening.
It's fucking over.

Even Sonic at its lowest point was not as terrible as Halo is now.
The 06 period was very brief and the damage to the brand was catastrophic.
Even after Unleashed, Colors and Generations plus some other solid titles the stench of Sonic 2006 is still present to this day.
Halo has not had a good game in 15 years.
Say what you will of Sonic Team but they produced about 2 stinkers in 06 and Forces but managed to move on.
Halo has not moved on from the damage made by Halo 5 and Infinite was the last shot anyone was willing to give to the franchise.
The Unreal version of CE is going to be fucking trash and we all know it.

>>713046401
>Halo 4 has no redeeming qualities.
Midnight / Arrival is the only good composition in 343i Halo.
The graphics were cool for a late 360 game.
The mantis is cool.

That is all I have.
I agree if you say it is still dogshit.

>>713047386
>>713047386
I will never understand how people liked Halo 4's campaign and I say that as someone who can usually appreciate dogshit games. All I remember from Halo 4 was constantly running out of ammo and knights teleporting away from me. Thank dog Infinite has no Promethean enemies.

>>713046115 (OP)
My issue with Halo is that the entire story is being told in fucking books. I'd have significantly less of an issue with this if those books were at least turned to mini campaigns or something. Nope. Entirely just fucking books. Didact isn't dead. Guilty Spark isn't dead. Rookie dies. Mickey is a traitor.

My issue with 343 is that they can't commit to anything. Cortana dies in 4? Comes back in 5. Dead again in Infinite, but you also just get another fucking Cortana. You spend the entire game hearing about insane shit like Cortana destroying Sydney, Cortana destroying a Spartan training facility that kills 76 Spartans, Cortana destroying the brute home world, what the crew of the infinity went through, and Cortana's actual death isn't even shown.

This franchise needs a hard reset, or at the very least need to start converting the books to actual games.

>>713047670
Dude you just BR them to dead.
They do feel spongy as all hell and I always wondered if there was a weakness I did not know like the plasma shields but turns out it is just 343i shitty design. I think they can be n00b combo'd but a friend of mine who really likes the game taught me that you can assassinate knights super easily.

One day I will gather the will power to complete the MCC and Halo 4 LASO. I already did 4 out of 6 games.

>loved halo
>decades later I work in VFX
>got to work on the halo show
>resisting urge to scream every day as I saw the pile of shit we were making

>>713047743
>My issue with 343 is that they can't commit to anything. Cortana dies in 4? Comes back in 5. Dead again in Infinite, but you also just get another fucking Cortana. You spend the entire game hearing about insane shit like Cortana destroying Sydney, Cortana destroying a Spartan training facility that kills 76 Spartans, Cortana destroying the brute home world, what the crew of the infinity went through, and Cortana's actual death isn't even shown.

What is worse is that they stole all of that from Blizzard, they just made Cortana into fucking Kerrigan.

>>713048069
Contact Halo Follower and allow him an interview for shits and giggles.
We would all love to hear what you have to say.
Fuck it, just post it here.

>>713047743
>books to games
Kind of a good idea. All it really needs is a game where you can travel between a few Halos, blow them up at some point, and save a colony ship

>>713046687
It's by far the worst enemy and weapon sandbox, on Legendary at least.

>>713046115 (OP)
kys yourself

>>713048147
I don't want to get into it because of NDA but the tl;dr is we were stuck in production hell for 3 years of covid and every scene was revised 50 times by execs who never even heard of halo. By the end everything was lgbt characters and personality dramashit when the original stuff was just suppose to be cool fights and loosely strung together plot.
By the end every scene I worked on was just background shit for john halo with his helmet off and all the cool fights were cut for "budget" even though they were all 99% done

>>713046115 (OP)
>>713046401
Halo 5 and Infinite both had really solid multiplayer, but halo is never coming back. People complain about them being incomplete but they have more to offer than just about any big multiplayer game on the market. Name one other franchise that has single player, co-op, forge (map builder), and over a dozen pvp modes? Overwatch and other slop doesn't even come close. Halo "fans" online are faggots and don't really want to play halo. Most of them didn't even have an xbox when 5 was out. They moved on to CoD and hero shooter shit and they are never coming back. Zoomers are not interested either. It would require a complete revival with very different gameplay like what the Doom franchise did to be relevant again and I don't see it happening soon.

>>713048073
Sad part is that Kerrigan herself became whatever the fuck you want to call this

>>713048469
SC2's plot is actual writing cancer.
Raynor's weird forlorn love for Kerrigan, even though their entire interaction in sc1 was a sexual innuendo and her calling him a pig, was some of the dumbest bullshit I've ever heard.

>>713047670
If I remember right, the H4 Knight's armor functioned oddly, in the sense of instead of being like Elites, they was more akin to Halo 3 Drones. In Halo 3 for example, the Drone's health was based off the number of projectiles hitting it, not by the actual damage of said projectile. That's why BRs and ARs took longer to kill them than to just burst fire once with an SMG. Knights functioned similarly, so using things like the Suppressor actually melted their armor pretty quickly even on Legendary. After that you could just line up one headshot and they're gone. Now the Watchers were straight cancer and I hated those damn things.

Halo Infinite's LASO was really fun.

>>713046115 (OP)
Only late-Millennials and Zoomers see Halo in its current state as bad when it's actually good. Game industry needs to condense to bring back creativity, innovation, real gamers, no more Snoys or Xbots.

>>713048360
>even though they were all 99% done
What ever happened to them are there stored somewhere? Somewhere with let's say lax security.

>>713046115 (OP)
>last game had the fucking campaign release as DLC
Nah mate it's fucking dead.

>>713046115 (OP)
Their game has like 1000 players. Hahahahahahaha

>>713049093
Halo CE LASO is a lot of fun too but the playlist doe snot work and MCC was never fixed and it is unplayable in co-op.
BOOM skull made the entire run fun.

>>713049170
I would assume by now they're sitting on some archival tapes in a box somewhere.
You can't even plug a usb into a computer without having an IT guy come to you and give you the stink eye so I doubt I could do anything for you.

>>713046115 (OP)
Hey anon, super cool fact about that pic in your OP. Not only was it busted for four+ years, but last year it became overrun by hackers who weren't dealt with until February of this year. Also,

>Halo 4 launched without file sharing or competitive skill ranking and wouldn't get either until six months later, killing both the casual and competitive communities
>Halo 5 launched without BTB, Forge, and many more staple modes it wouldn't receive for at least another six months, and featured always-online DRM for everything but the campaign
>Infinite launched in much of the same state as 5, but with even worse DRM and atrocious post-launch support that often made the game worse, even right before official tournaments

>>713049570
A game being always-online is not inherently DRM.

>>713046687
Only trannies believe Halo 4 was good, can tell you're a zoomer.

>>713049731
I hear you bro. They can deactivate my access to it at any time, but that definitely isn't an anti-piracy measure or anything. I'm sure it was an honest mistake.

>>713049915
You can host local servers for both Halo 5 and Infinite.

>>713048437
Halo Infinite is feature complete NOW but wasn't on launch. It launched with 4 playlists, a six month long season, a dogshit "event" where fiesta was rotational and you couldn't complete it on your own time (Tenrai), no forge, missing classic game modes like assault, no secondary PvE ala warzone or firefight, no forge, etc. I do like Infinite but first impressions matter and not having this content during launch or even during the first year of release really killed the hype.

Final Fantasy. I had fun with FFXV.

>>713049995
No you can't. Infinite has splitscreen, but requires a persistent Xbox Live connection for everything, even weapon drills. Same applies to 5, but without splitscreen in the meantime. Either by the game servers shutting down or Microsoft pulling the plug on their current Xbox, these two games are destined to die.

>>713050475
Yes you can. Both games work on LAN, even offline.

>>713049461
If word gets around that it exists, fans can make miracles happen.
We only need some form of confirmation or a solid rumor, reason I encourage you to throw Halo Follower a bone.

>>713047260
>Halo has not moved on from the damage made by Halo 5 and Infinite was the last shot anyone was willing to give to the franchise.
halo 4 and MCC did as much damage to the brand as 5 and infinite if not worse. 5 only got that much hate because that was the straw that broke camel's back and they had enough of getting lied to.

>>713047987
>Dude you just BR them to dead.
oh yeah, it's not like once you break their shield, they instantly teleport to god knows where and you have 3 seconds to find it before its shield got recharged.

>>713050859
Halo 5 had some real kino ads, too bad they are unrelated to the story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMxTfCTltUc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd1VjjarUl0
Hunt The Truth, Broken Circle and Halo Wars 2 was the last good things that spun out of the franchise.

As for Halo 4 and MCC
I have no idea who the hell wanted an entire collection when people were fine with the CEA treatment. This was something outside 343i capabilities not to mention it was not as big a draw as MS thought it was.
>Yowzers is that Halo great value pack!
Meanwhile, we know for a fact MS has nothing for Halo 3 20th anniversary.
Worst of all MCC could still be the game that keeps the franchise alive if 343i did not decide to kill that too for whatever reason.
As for Halo 4, yeah it sucks but it was not the game that killed the franchise.
Halo 5 was and Infinite was the last opportunity granted to 343i and they spent the entire "Return to our roots" thing.
Halo fans moved to Hellbound.

It is tragic that not even Bungie themselves were spared from this horror.
Even Marathon was brought back for a dicking.

>>713051336
Just needle them lmao

>>713051350
Sorry Helldivers 2.
Not Hellbound.

>>713051336
They teleport to attack you and shank you in Legendary.
Alone, they are easy to assassinate.

>>713050165
how is it then that there is a ton of hype for games with only one game mode? Why do people flock back to sea of thieves and no man sky but don't for halo? It is dead. There is no discussion about it a month after launch for the last 3 titles. 343 didn't kill it either it was killed by CoD a long time ago you just have a bunch of bullshitters claiming they would love a new one. A "dead" game like overwatch 2 had over 20,000 players right now on steam more that double MCC and Halo infinite combined. Look at Rainbow 6 Siege steam numbers right now that game was a broken piece of shit at launch yet it is hitting 100,000 players. Halo is kept alive purely out of MS desperation to go back to the glory days which are never coming back. Anybody who claims to want a new good halo game is likely a liar. Not many people actually want a new halo game

>>713051336
>they instantly teleport to god knows where
Not true. They screech at you with their mask open and either charge towards you or teleport away. You have time to headshot them for an insta kill at that moment

>>713046115 (OP)
As a Gearsfag, Halofags got off lucky. Atleast they got MCC which has all the good games. Gears 2 and 3 still aren't ported to PC despite being the best MP in the series. Yet, TC are re-releasing that shitty remaster for Gears 1 again but on PS5. What a disappointment.

>>713048437
Halo Infinite was the last Halo game for Xbox fags for a reason, Microsoft is searching for a new audience on Nintendo systems, PC, and the dying PlayStation brand.

>>713046115 (OP)
It just doesn't feel the same. I went back to Halo 3 and it's way better.

>>713050523
It's possible I overlooked something with Infinite. Excluding that possibility, I can say with confidence Halo 5 didn't have it. When MCC received LAN support via an update three years after H5 dropped, people made a big deal about that. If H5 stealthily received a patch too then I would genuinely appreciate a link to evidence.

343 can't even get the loading screens or main menus of the fucking MCC collection correct

>>713046687
the stuff about chief and cortana's relationship was great
the forerunner shit fucking sucked and only made sense if you read the tie-in books

>>713046687
The story was ASS
The new enemy faction was ASS
The design was ASS

>>713051761
No part of Halo 4's campaign was good, it felt like your generic 7th gen AAA slop but written by a woman. That generation sucked starting in 2010, COD4 was the threat of things to come, glad that era is finally dying.

>>713051653
https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9ncm2tt1k6pc

Halo is deader than shit. Microcock is thoroughly infested with pajeet ethnic nepotism and divershitty rot. It is a lost cause.

>>713051558
The reason is because there aren't any xboxfags anymore. Master Chief was the face of xbox they had to make something big and expensive to sell consoles. They tried with infinite and nobody showed up. They announced yesterday that the next xbox will offer multiple stores and mentioned "windows" so it will likely be a custom pc. They are consolidating xbox and windows into one platform which is smart. It is kind of like what nintendo did with the switch combining handheld and console. However even with branching out I doubt halo will ever be big again, or at least not for a long time. The world has moved on and it would need to be a complete overhaul to make it big again. Despite what people say just making halo 3 again will not cut it.

>>713049238
>last game had the fucking campaign release as DLC
Infinite?

>>713051452
People dont want Halo anymore because they were burnt by it too mant times. They deviated hard away from what made Halo good right aftee Bungie left and it took 10 years ti get anything even slightly resembling old Halo. And every single 343 game was unplayable garbage on release and stayed that way for nearly a year. Halo would still be wanted if it hadnt had a decade of failure.

>>713052258
Problem here is that Valve already ate their lunch, Microsoft can't release their own in-house handheld that they can subsidize like Valve can, they can't release a handheld that costs less than the Steam Deck (all models), and their Rog handhelds will cost more than even the stronger and better Steam Deck 2 when that comes. SteamOS is all around better than Windows and is made specifically for gaming. Only option Microsoft has is going full third party and just putting their games on Steam and verifying their games for Deck. Nintendo and Valve won this war because they planned their future years in advance, like since the start of the 7th gen because they saw where things were headed.

>>713052515
Reach already deviated away from what made Halo good.

>>713052010
>Internet connectivity for host PC and consoles is required for Xbox Live sign-in and Post-Game Carnage Reports
This is an interesting tool that appears to have flown completely under the radar, yet that XBL sign-in remains a ticking timebomb. The OG Xbox was shut down in 2010, and the 360 is currently being shut down in stages. The later Xboxes will eventually follow.

What is your biggest Halo-related redflag when it comes to opinions? Mine's

>considers CE to be the best one in the trilogy

>>713047260
>wah wah wah
Halo Infinite reached 20 million players in 2 months.
Doom could barely even reach 3 million.

>>713052515
Many you can trick other people with this shit but not me. Halo fans said they same shit when bungie was around every new game was shit and the old games were the best games of all time. Meanwhile CoD makes a new slop every year and most halo fans are in line buying copies no matter how bad they are. You don't want a new halo and quality is not the issue. It is that halo is considered old and MS is too scared to deviate the formula too much.

>>713052547
The Steam deck is a niche product xbox is not. They absolutely can dwarf valve in hardware sales if they wanted to. SteamOS is great and Linux is bigger than ever but it still is only about 2% of the market. If MS really makes an xbox that can play steam games it would be a big hit and easily out sell whatever valve does because MS has the infrastructure in place to do it. Until you can walk into best buy and buy a steam deck it isn't a real competitor to xbox.

>>713053614
You're acting as if people will spend $800+ on Xbox OEMs and $1000+ on a next gen Xbox console, that's just not going to happen. The Xbox One X sold worse than the Xbox One and Xbox One S. The Xbox Series X sold worse than the Xbox One X and sold worse than the Xbox Series S. Xbox hardware whether it's in-house or otherwise is dead, they lost. Xbox PC will not be the home of PC gaming, that will remain Steam and in terms of high-end wars, Microsoft's Windows handhelds and Sony's PS handheld don't stand a chance against the Steam Deck 2 let alone the Switch 2, it's over.

>>713052927
It is and was, its sequels were a disappointment and everything after 2009 was generic AAA shit. Infinite's campaign was the only one that was shockingly fun, not as good as CE but surprisingly fun and felt like a video game again.

>>713054423
CE gets old halfway through. It never hits the peaks of the flood reveal

>>713054708
>CE gets old halfway through
I meeeaaan, technically you're correct. Nearly half of the game is just back tracking

the /v/ cycle continues

From hating halo to loving it to hating nu-halo to loving it. Pretty soon we'll all love Starfield

>>713054268
people spend as much on an alienware or a ps5 pro so I don't think it is as crazy as you make it out to be.

>>713046115 (OP)
i liked infinite, the campaign was fun

>>713054708
While true, it's sequels don't come close to its peaks and makes CE's repetitive second half tolerable.

>>713046687
>he liked Hexagon Designer 4

>>713048360
Started watching this and I did want to commend you on the first 20 minutes of Ep1, the initial fight with Silver Team and the Elites was good.

Right up around Halsey being revealed to be Miranda Keyes mum is where it went to shit

>>713046115 (OP)
Just fix the MCC and port it to PS5/Switch 2. That's literally all they need to do to bring halo back.

>>713046115 (OP)
>they do so without straying from their original identity
halo 5 literally starts you in level 1 with a squad of spartan NPCs no one wants halo to play like that. they also fucked up the art direction for no reason in halo 4 with no explanation for why and made everything look retarded that had been refined and perfected over the course of a decade. i played 2 levels of halo 5 and shut it off because it felt boring.

halo reach only got the pass giving you occasional spartan reinforcements because it was a spin off title not a main line entry and it took place on a world the books already talked about as where the spartans were trained.

>>713052927
Anyone who defends sprint. The minute someone tries to defend it, you know what kind of person they are.

>>713049570
The next Halo will launch with only the menu with a button to play the trailer, until 4 player free-for-all slayer (coding teams is hard) with only assault rifles gets added 6 months later.

>>713058815
"Ugh, you Bungo stans are such haters! Game development is hard now and there are other games to compete with!"

>>713058815
>somehow still has sprint/clamber/ADS

The mod scene is still very active. I hop on modded scenarios/campaigns every now and then. There's one that lets you play as marines/ODST and overhauls the gunplay.

>>713046115 (OP)
I played all the Halo games including Halo Wars 1 and 2 and enjoyed them all.

I think a major problem with Halo is that it's inherently being milked. There's a reason Bungie went back to the last after Halo 3. The war is over, humans are no longer under threat of extinction which was the entire theme of the game. Only Spartans stand a chance against the covenant with the odd ODST/Marine hero. You can't just make a sequel where humanity keeps getting wrecked by a new extinction event, humans already lost too much and can't keep fighting. And if you make humans strong then it's not thematically Halo anymore.

>>713059548
This is why I'm happy the series lost its popularity, I don't know if I should be happy or pissed at Microsoft going on a buying spree, but it has helped Halo because it's no longer in the spotlight. They also reworked the lore where Halo must always have Champions and Villain, Chief's a Champion so they basically turned him into the male version of Samus Aran, the Reclaimer who will reclaim the Mantle and become the Protector of the Galaxy.

>>713052927
>considers CE to be the best one in the trilogy
I just think the weapons feel the best (except the Needler but it was a clear starting point for an experiment)

>>713054708
The gunplay makes up for it. Every single gun is worthwhile even on legendary which simply cannot be said for other titles
Halo 2 is too hard and halo 3 is too easy on legendary. Halo ce is just right
The health mechanic is shit and a product of its time tho. Was never a fan

>>713060337
>the needler
genuinely forgot about that piece of shit. have never once picked it up in any halo, even the future ones where its decent.
Thing just chews through ammo like crazy, and can only hold like 3 mags in reserve

>>713060429
I actually like the Needler a lot in H3 as a specialist weapon against Flood pure forms, even though you can't dual wield it like H2 it fires much faster so it feels like carrying a few extra plasma grenades for the occasion

>>713060429
Needler Rifle is a fucking godsend on Legendary

>>713060429
needler might be trash in CE, but it's basically a baby power weapon in 2 (when dual wielded) and especially in 3

>>713046115 (OP)
Halo's situation looks salvageable until you look at the story. It's past the point of no return. Everyone that could possibly pose a threat gets fucking atomized off-screen with each installment.

>>713061925
The only way to "salvage" it is to warhammer the IP, do away with 343 and let any studio that wants to take a crack make a game

>>713061925
moving past H3 really just completely fucked the setting, impossible to escalate past the Covenant and the Flood as credible threats without devolving into powercreep capeshit and derivative spinoffs (they're like the Covenant, but even WORSE! they're super-duper ancient aliens that even the flood can't beat!)
should have frozen the timeline and stuck strictly to prequels and spinoffs of the main timeline, not like they didn't have tons of side plots to work with

>without straying from their original identity
take a look at this(,) faggot

>>713059757
I know I'm probably in the minority, but I'd honestly rather they move away from cheif. Not get rid of him, but put him more in a supporting role. Not saying I want the fucking unicorn armor spartans either, but the attempts to humanize chief and the lack of focus on the great conflict/cast of characters was one of the biggest cardinal sins for the 343 halos. If they want to do an Arbiter game, I'd be down for that.

I bet MS does a prequel at some point soon. Like a game set in the 2530s-40s where Spartan ll's are still abundant and the covenant is still a threat. They are doing it for Gears, why not do it with Halo?

>>713062093
Dunno anon, we would get a LOT of dogshit in between the gems.

>>713062932
It's an improvement

>>713046115 (OP)
>ITT: Vidya franchises whose current state is not nearly as bad as people want to pretend
>posts Halo
I stopped reading. Fuck off

>>713052927
Campaign wise it is for me. MP wise its Halo 3.

>>713063004
You're probably right, but there'd be a lot of mediocre shit in the style of Death Wing, Hired Gun, Chaosbane, etc.

>>713048469
Blizzard LOVES redeeming genocidal villains, and call you a monster for wanting them dead. It's really weird.

>>713063710
Except for Arthas because he did nothing wrong

>>713063450
man, I'd kill for a Halo game from a dev that loves Halo as much as Streum On loves 40k, even if it ended up held together with duct tape and prayers
say what you will about how eurojank Streum On's 40k games are, including EYE, they clearly care about getting the setting and atmosphere right and they do a really good job of it

>>713061925
Halo has turned into Metroid, it's no longer a stretched-out story even though I'm annoyed at where Bungie took Halo right after the first game since it could have been anything but now Halo has one major villain for a game and then after that villain is dealt with it moves on to a new one like Metroid.

Did they ever finish the story for Infinite? I remember it basically ending on "I'll get you in the DLC"

>>713046687
>first enemy you ever see is an elite which you are forced to kill in a QTE at which point you are informed that actually the covenant still exists just in the form of stubborn stragglers to the cause (but theyre not stubborn enough to have joined the covenant but still held allegience to their home planets?)

so they reuse the old villains in a way that doesnt make sense and cheapens the earlier trilogy, and then the actual new villains are just generic sci-fi glowspot slop that was popular at the time (which also cheapened the earlier forerunners)

combine this with worse graphics, worse gunplay, worse dialogue, worse cutscenes etc

>>713046115 (OP)
i knew what fps was before halo so halo's quality doesn't look like it declined, it was just always that

>>713062721
Every time I hear this I don't see a person as a fan of Halo or video games, it's a video game, it's not real. There is no reason to move away from the only reason people buy the games. You think people are happy with Ryu Hayabusa being replaced by some generic looking zoomer emo in NG4, no? This is the same nonsense I hear in Nintendo threads and it's something that has never worked. Halo is a video game and power fantasy, realism doesn't work with it. You should just ask for more spin-offs since that can actually be done now since the old heads are gone but the main series needs to lean into Master Chief's badassery, Infinite was a step in the right direction there, no more trying to be 7th gen COD slop. Chief was never the issue, it's Halo stopped trying to be a try and true video game is what hurt it for many years. I hate CODkids and corporations for ruining video games for many years.

I'm not really happy with the fact cosmetics basically ensure that a game's file size will just continue to grow for a large percentage of shit you're never even going to see. Let me download 300GB to play this old Xbox game for 5 minutes. Come the fuck on man, give me a break.

>>713065228
halo reach and halo odst are both well loved games larping faggot

>>713053035
>Halo Infinite reached 20 million players in 2 months
How was that player retention though? It dropped off harder than Halo 4 when Black Ops 2 dropped, and Infinite released when absolutely nothing else worth playing was out.

>>713065343
And they're spin-offs too, I don't know why you spin-off guys can't ask for more spin-offs while mainline games stick with Chief adventures? You do know that Master Chief is the toy line that sells the most to kids, his novels sell the most, and kids dress up like him on Halloween, right? You can't get rid of that because you'll kill the series. You can tell when someone started playing video games after the 6th gen when the first suggestion they make is get rid of the main character of the series instead of asking for more spin-offs that don't affect the main adventures.

>>713065528
>idk why you guys want them to stop parading the corpse around?!?!?
yes kike turns out the customers dont care how much money merch makes the company

>>713065598
Then play another series that fits the mold for you. Halo is about to get many spin-off games not starring Chief, starring other characters, starring teams, being the same genre, being different genres while also having mainline FPS games starring Chief yet you're still complaining that you're playing Chief in a mainline game? There's no reason to complain anymore when you're getting what you want.

>>713062680
halo was always for closeted fags

>>713065802
The multiplayer is, at least

Hate it and deny it all you want. MCC is probably one of the best "remake" style gaming collections to come out in modern times. Multiple full campaigns with additional content, All multiplayer maps, modes and extras, Custom game browser and maker, Forge upgrades and more. Its objectively a very nice deal.

>>713066125
It's shit

>>713066125
Game didn't launch like that though, and they left it in a broken state for like, 3 or 4 years. It's amazing that it even had a rebound at all. Though I am glad it's on PC now.

>>713065778
no one is complaining chief exists, theyre saying that spamming master chief and further ruining his character in the name of money is bad
there are examples of this over and over for media for the last 100 years. you are fooling no one kike

>>713067009
He never had a character; he was a bunch of one-liners with a quirky AI assistant. He's meant to kill shit and save the day. He's the very definition of a video game protagonist for the video game mechanics. It's silly to think the face of the series is being milked. Halo 4 and 5 really ruined this series.

>>713067108
>he never had a character therefor we couldnt ruin everything!
nevermind immediately after claiming he has no character you describe his character, fucking faggot foreskinless freak hows tel aviv this morning

>>713067241
That's just a typical video game protagonist, that's all he needs to be. This is why he works and can be thrown in anything.

>>713067302
>thats all he needs to be
right and 343 are changing him, congrats on agreeing retarded

>>713046115 (OP)
>ITT: Vidya franchises whose current state is not nearly as bad as people want to pretend
pic unrelated btw
>but-
there hasn't been a good game since 4 and even that's generous lol

>>713046115 (OP)
kill yourself faggot

>>713067341
They kind of fixed him in Infinite, glad they finally moved on from the Cortana crap.

>>713068321
No. Also no.

>>713049570
And yet most of that is not what people complain about lol

>>713065523
>How was that player retention though?
How is Overwatch's player retention? 60 million copies sold and now it's free to play.
Nobody screams about how it's dead

>>713068349
Yes, you can upgrade him to max and go wild on aliens. Also, with Cortana dead, Chief can now just kill aliens instead going through some poorly written woman slop about being sad his purple/blue girlfriend got deleted.

>>713046115 (OP)
Halo is in a terrible fucking state. You literally have to restart the series at Halo 2 because that's where it all went to shit.
Best case scenario, restart at Halo 3, everything after that was complete worthless trash aside from KINO ODST.

>>713068790
Still no.

>>713046115 (OP)
it's literally dead

>>713068897
yes

>>713046115 (OP)
lol fucking a

>>713051901
Ass indeed

>>713046115 (OP)
>All of the main games have a solid core of gameplay, and when they try to appeal to new audiences, they do so without straying from their original identity.
lol, sure

>>713066125
Now yeah but in its launch state it was a spit in the face. I bought an xbone for that piece of shit.

>>713052927
>best weapon balance
>best powerups
>fun mechanics
>even the shitty maps just work
It ain't perfect, but it's the best we've got.

>>713046115 (OP)
>When it comes to the Halo franchise, of course the original games are still the best. However
Didn't read past this, 343 fucking sucks, everything they have touched sucks, they literally cannot stop fucking up and no one is going to be convinced otherwise. How many times do you have to be disappointed by these fucking people until you understand nothing good will ever come from them?

>>713048469
>whatever the fuck you want to call this
Phoenix Force Jean Grey

>>713068813
Personally I think you leave 3 as the end point. Bungie showed that it was possible to tell a Halo story without Chief in ODST and Reach, that's where I think the focus for 343 should have been. Telling a new Halo story with a new cast and letting Chief's story stay finished.

>>713073075
Bullshit, Chief games can exist with spin-offs, they should have just done what they did with Chief in Infinite from the start, make the series into just Metroid but with a male instead of a female while spin-offs would expand the universe with different characters and would be different genres of games some even being FPS. Everybody gets what they want. Don't want this, you get nothing.

>>713046115 (OP)
You’re forgetting all 343 games are but ugly with the except of H2A’s campaign and certain elements of infinite. You’re also forgetting that they keep cutting content. It’s not just a plot issue. I agree outside of 4 the gameplay isn’t that bad at all, and arguably better than the bungie games in some areas.

>>713048437
>Name one other franchise that has single player, co-op, forge (map builder), and over a dozen pvp modes? Overwatch and other slop doesn't even come close. Halo "fans" online are faggots and don't really want to play halo
you are a cocksucking nigger faggot who clearly played Halo Infinite only recently. It has taken Infinite YEARS to get here, whereas in the past we got GOOD Halo games ON RELEASE. Not to mention Halo Infinite's boring storyline that, who could have thunk, has to try and make sense of Halo 4 and Halo 5's absolutely PANT ON HEAD RETARDED nonsense. Halo Infinite should have retconned Halo 4 and Halo 5, i'm 100% serious.

>>713073402
>H2A’s campaign
it was made by saber interactive not 343

>>713048437
>Name one other franchise that has single player, co-op, forge (map builder), and over a dozen pvp modes?
Geez, I wonder why it's such a mess, during Bungie's day, anything outside of the campaign was small time which is how they were able to add all of this stuff along with knowing the engine they actually created. Microsoft/343 treated Multiplayer like it was on the same level as the campaign in importance instead of treating it like the side mode that it is while trying to make the engine do things that it wasn't built for.

>>713051761
Even reading the books the forerunner shit was retarded, fuck if anything it's even more retarded with the book knowledge.

>>713073725
Multiplayer has had a large focus ever since Halo 2. It's just CE's that was thrown together in 6 months.

The funniest thing to me about 343 is how all 3 of their games had to have their stories ending be wrapped up in books. 5 and 6 in particular end with some of the biggest cliffhangers in gaming. This is shockingly bad. I can not think of a bigger sin you could commit as a story teller. I can not believe they did this more than once especially after the backlash 2 got for its cliffhanger ending. How do you build trust from here? You don’t. You have to rebrand lol.

Could’ve had a cool cortana goes full shodan/skynet on humanity and the covenant as the plot for halo 6 but 343 had to bitch out on their creative vision.

>>713073924
>their creative vision
ha

>>713046115 (OP)
I don’t care if Xbox has to whore out and port to other systems, I just want Halo to be big and respected again

>>713073817
They have no confidence or plan in place, and will do a 180 at even the slightest criticism.
Except for sprint, that is staying forever.

>>713073924
>they could've done this cool plot thread that's been done a billion times already and most people are sick of!
I'm tired of le rogue AI plots.

343 completely ruined the lore and all of their games range from bad to mediocre. I kept giving Halo Infinite a chance too and it remained a broken, no content game for like 6+ months.

>>713073783
It had a large focus but not a large team on it, Halo's MP was made to be played after the campaign. Microsoft wanted more from it because they wanted Halo to be their Call of Duty and that blew up in their faces.

>>713073817
>You have to rebrand
And that didn't even work, we're still calling them 343

>>713074034
>I just want Halo to be big again
Why? When it was it became COD prequel edition, COD in space Tron edition, and COD Crysis mode. You never want a game to become big since that's when corporate and investors take control. Becoming big is what killed Halo in the first place. Regaining respect is good enough.

>>713074134
Relatively speaking, Bungie was never a very large team. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize that multiplayer has more replayability than a linear campaign.

>>713074246
Ideally I’d only want the respect part, but it feels hard to attain that unless Halo blew up again

>>713046115 (OP)
>creative director said higher-ups told him "too traditional" during 'Halo' 4's development
>'Halo' Infinite developers had to ARGUE for more Forerunner-looking structures and to keep Fortnite thinking out of cosmetics
The latter was overruled. I was pleasantly surprised to see Halo Infinite look AND sounds more like Halo than 4/5.
Still, even a failed test can have a few perfect answers and that's the 343-era in a nutshell. You can take the blame off of 343 and put it on nameless executives, but the result for the franchise is still the same.
>not a single 343 FPS release LAUNCHED with: environment/weather variety in campaign, Forge, Theater, co-op, Firefight, File Share all present and working Day 1
That's simply unacceptable and entirely avoidable given how effort was funneled into overhauling the art style heavily for 4, Spartan Ops w/fancy cutscenes, Warzone, "open world", etc. 343 had the power but every FPS title focused on the wrong things for launch day.
>launch with the expected, wanted suite of Bungie-era features
>save your untested, risky 343-original ideas for the post-launch updates
It doesn't take a genius to realize you should do it in that order, minimum. Yet, 343 kept trying to jump the gun and put their ideas in the spotlight. Forge, to say the least, should not have been something coming after launch, twice in a row now. It's entirely possible to do things the right way but the wrong priorities keep being chosen for launch.

>>713074246
Microsoft was in control of Halo before CE even came out, and Halo's best years were with 2 and 3 when Microsoft did the most baffling thing a corporate entity could do and encouraged the franchise with all the multi-media advertisement they could fund. Not even the fake bullshit like shill farms you'd see today, just genuinely cool stuff to go along with the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rridXskgWg

That said, you'd never be able to tell the dev process was a barely controlled disaster across all three games if you didn't look it up first.

>>713074034
I bet you just want easy players to kill. Can't compete with the remaining sweats

>>713074559
Nah I just want people to like Halo again, though of course it also requires Halo to not shit the bed at launch of a game

>>713074553
Microsoft did everything in their power to destroy the series and Bungie. Bungie kept them off of the Halo games because they knew they would fuck it up. Bungie didn't want the books for a reason. The moment Bungie left, every single bad thing they said would happen to Halo if Microsoft took over happened. Corporations don't belong in video games and Microsoft doesn't deserve defense since they've been cancer to the game industry since they fully entered it. They can never keep their cancer contained; they have to spread it.

Halo will never have the respect it once had. Your average shooting gamers falls into 4 categories. There’s the old farts/boomers. In their eyes the only true shooters are boomer shooters. Halo is baby’s first FPS. Then you have military sim fags who get filtered by Halo’s lack of realism. They’re your CoD/battlefield/rainbow six fags. Then you have your third worlders who exclusively play counterstrike. They’re drawn to it because it’s free to play, runs on their toasters, can be used for gambling, and it scratches that military sim itch. Lastly you have the coomers/trannies/zoomers. These people play heroes shooters and battle royales. They’re not interested in fun games, they’re interested in playing dress up and memes. That’s why they’re drawn to games focused on selling them coomer or funny meme skins. They play Valorant, fortnite, and gaysex legends. Halo is too slow and clunky for boomers, it’s too sci fi for mil sim fags, and as much as it wants too it can’t break too far from the halo image to sell pop culture skins lest it stray too far from what defines halo. This is why halo will never be big. Gears of war also suffers from the same problem for the same reasons. Back when halo was big there we no hero shooters or battle royales, and mil sims were all pretty shit until COD made them accessible to the masses. Halo only had to compete with boomer shooters which were simple old and tired at the time. We lost halo bros. We lost because we chose to have taste.

>>713074282
Bungie's moto was you come for the campaign, you stayed for multiplayer. Microsoft/343 have no culture or style and just said I want COD Halo edition and called it a day. Microsoft wanted Multiplayer to be push equally to the campaign. Bungie thought like an AA company, Microsoft thought like a corporate AAA company. There's a reason why Bungie's Halo games are good.

>>713074092
Tired or not it’s better than doing a 180 on your vision and never addressing your cliff hangers. It only needed to be the plot for one more game.

>>713074792
You don't know what you're talking about. While it's true for the 343 era, it wasn't for the Bungie era. Halo wasn't destroyed by Microsoft, it was destroyed by those responsible for the franchise at 343, and in particular because Microsoft was so hands off with it, and still is.

>>713074891
>Microsoft wanted Multiplayer to be push equally to the campaign.
Maybe they should have tried making it feature-complete at launch, then.

>>713074792
yeah dude cause Destiny was so good! You would be lying if you say it's better than 343 halos

>>713074983
They never were going to with their shitty corporate mindset.

>>713075063
Then it's delusional for you to try and claim they're being treated equally.

Controversial take, but I really hope they redesign master chief in the CE remake instead of trying to copy the original armour. It always looks off. They should try to make it look like halo wars 2 concept art imo.

>>713074915
343 is Microsoft and the same people leading 343 way back when before they got the boot were working with Bungie, the leaders. Bungie stated that Microsoft were going to whore the series out and they prevented that soon when they left, Halo, a series with like only 4 or 5 novels now had like 40 fucking novels, low-quality comics, a terrible woke ass TV show that spits in the face of the series, completely drops the iconic look, feel, sound, and music of the series becoming generic, and became the same soulless garbage every other AAA game became. Halo even now has that same shitty corporate thought process of if there is backlash drop it completely instead of making it work. Microsoft is cancer and if they weren't involved with Halo, chances are things would have been better. Microsoft also killed Bungie when they left as a final fuck you to them since they hate small companies. I hate these big ass corporation, they're nothing but complete trash.

>>713075000
It could have been but Bungie had a Microsoft plant in there, the studio is dead now, or undead now.

>>713049461
>You can't even plug a usb into a computer without having an IT guy come to you and give you the stink eye
that's basic as shit data security.

>>713075265
They already did that with that half-assed remaster, just use the model from Project Foundry. Stop fixing what's not broken.

>>713074915
They're hands-on in the wrong ways

>>713075373
That’s the model that looks like shit

>>713075417
Those suits sound like they're fucking robots

>>713075417
Thanks for posting this, you would think with all the studios Microsoft killed and all the games they canned for silly reasons, people would stop defending them. Bungie never liked them for a reason.

>>713075481
Looks better than CEA

>>713075509
They're corporate, that's what they are.

>>713075265
Fans have been doing a good job taking Lehto's unfinished remake of the armor to near-completion. Naturally, what lighting and art style is used in any new content involving Mark V will warrant making slightly adjustments so certain features do/don't pop.
Screenshot is just one example, as in the original a lot of scratches were more subtle, so that is also a fair path to take depending on the lighting and cohesion with everything else. The big picture.

>>713074915
>>713075509
>>713075514
Forgot link: https://halo.bungie.org/halobulletins/69
Might as well throw in another link: https://www.gamedeveloper.com/design/making-i-halo-4-i-a-story-about-triple-a
>343 scrapped it, Holmes says, as it was too traditional.
>But that first build showed the new team that this amalgamation of different studio cultures could work together and achieve a common goal.
It just comes off as trend-chasing + "hey guys we're such an awesome team" second, being priorities over trying to show love and care with this golden opportunity and IP they were handed, you know?
Like they think the IP is invincible even though Bungie caught flak for weapon balance and other issues, but at least offered amazing new modes to compensate each time. Then comes 343 either launching with that stuff broken, or straight-up missing in favor of new stuff no one asked for.
I have my own ideas, Ensemble did too, and yes every Halo comes with some leeway for wanting/having to offer something fresh. But even while making an RTS Ensemble tried to nail the vibes and not get too crazy, despite the changes that are demanded by an RTS game, that also wasn't allowed to have a story that was too impactful to the setting's past.
Naturally, the more advanced your tech gets with the years, the less excuse there is for missing stuff at launch and not getting certain things right. Even Reach caught heavy flak for its changes that Bungie members working on it admitted, both before and after launch in official videos, were things that fundamentally changed the gameplay.
Lehto himself, who went from being the Lead Art Director of the trilogy to Creative Director on Reach, is on-record for thinking non-ability gameplay (H3) aged better than ability-based gameplay. Like he has more reason than anyone else to be stubborn and hold to his mistake but he doesn't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfJCQbJA3v0&t=3854s
It's just so simple to get Halo back on track via proper priorities.

>>713075331
yep the typical scapegoat you bungie drones use. How can he be a microsoft plant when destiny had exclusive ps4 content?

>>713076196
To get Halo back on track, it needs a small team, indie or AA without Microsoft's watchful eyes. Then the magic will happen and return, it's also better if it's new people that just want to make a fun cool game and not Halo fans that make it.

>>713076321
>shilling for Micro$hit

for me? it's reach and 5, the only times these games actually felt immersive (the cutscenes in 5 were garbage though)
shame all that metroid prime talent got fucked over though, you can really tell by how sloppily put together infinite is
the simple act of firing or clambering feels so much better in 5 it's crazy
>>713059548
I feel a major problem with halo is the idea the series never existed to be milked. 1, 2 and 3 are all rushed for one reason or another and going back to playing them really lets you feel it

>>713046115 (OP)
there are 100 people playing halo infinite. there are 1000 people playing mcc.

>>713076491
>and not Halo fans
The ideal is people who appreciate the IP -while- being level-headed enough to realize they need to focus on expected Bungie-era qualities first, then new ideas and variety second.
This means launching with
-Forge
-File Share
-Firefight
-Theater
-environment variety
-Infection
and the list goes on but you get it.
This was 100% doable for 343 but someone had them waste time on Spartan Ops, Warzone and "open world" (among other new, time-consuming ideas) instead, leading to having to try and get expected features in after launch day in a rush but being slow and sometimes broken anyway.
It's only logical to have your safety net of features (and even so Reach caught flak so they're not an immunity card) before trying new stuff people were not expecting to be there anyway. Those risks can simply wait for after launch, instead of putting expected Bungie-era content there, again, after bleeding tons of players.

>>713077218
Millions didn't like Halo even when it was making great strides pioneering new industry standards under Bungie, so it's understandable to like stuff that's not really fit to be Halo's main gameplay.
Even the Reach devs acknowledge in retrospect they heavily messed with the gameplay they built the IP on. Fortunately the solution is simple: bring back gameplay people have been asking for since Reach and then have variant modes for abilities.
We have game modes for far more random and wacky stuff and even 5 actually at one point had a mode w/o abilities that saw play as dead as the game was by then, so even from a technical standpoint it is possible.
>immersion
Frankly, even IRL soldiers can run AND gun. There's outright combat footage of this being done when their life in on the line and the opponent is on the other side of the truck they're both hiding/peeking from. "Put gun down to move fast forward" is just lame for Halo. A Spartan would simply have less accurate aim while moving at max speed in all directions.
This is not even getting into being strong enough to tackle and beat down Covenant species in campaign, or swing them around to hit others/launch as projectiles (which is actually an assassination animation in 5).
So let people boost but make the spread expand faster/recoil kick in due to less stable grip/cosmetic wobble of the gun while moving actually affect aim, etc. there are many options you can tinker with per weapon. People can also toggle this boost on/off mid-strafe to further mix up their pattern.
It can even be momentum based: if you move left with the boost on the gun/reticle will move left a certain amount based on speed/weapon weight at the time. If it's predictable someone can learn when to press fire so their shot can still be accurate at times with learned effort and skill.
Now people can again fighting while moving at top speed, except top speed is now a toggle that trades accuracy for speed.

>>713078164
>Millions didn't like Halo even when it was making great strides pioneering new industry standards under Bungie
Like DLC!

>>713046115 (OP)
The only good things 343 did were the customs browser in 5 and Cortana's tits in 4

>>713078406
Cortana had a prettier face in 4, but her body was better in 3. Same curves, bur perkier.

>>713058551
this
>>713052927
Halo CE has the best BtB and therefore the best multiplayer
It also has the best maps for 1v1, and Battle Creek is the best map in the series

>>713078278
I could do without map packs, sure? Depends on the maps that are launch with. Then again Halo was doing so well couldn't those packs be free? Maybe. On the other hand Bungie at least was bringing stuff like Theater and Forge, Firefight and upgrades to them with even their spin-off titles.
So maybe it could be said the money accomplished more than just being extra money. I'd need data that likely only select Microsoft employees have, but given that ODST got pushed from $30 to to full-price I wouldn't be surprised if it was just greed from select people at Microsoft in the end.

>>713078406
Seat switching was also a good feature. Made running a Warthog solo more fun and a greater display of what a Spartan can do.

>>713052927
>the best
Is a bit of a pointless discussion anyway. No Halo game will 1:1 clone whatever someone considers "best" anyway, nor simply reskin its content with a new story. A new Halo would ideally add new features and strive to take great elements from each game, but even then there are limits.
>invincible vehicles in multiplayer are awesome
>destructible vehicles are as well
I don't even mean using them. Ever hopped into a server and broken the gridlock the enemy team has because they got FOUR tanks? (never mind Banshees and Rocket Hogs)
Taking on tanks I can inevitably destroy with gunfire just can't be as hype. However, you can easily have game modes that provide both experiences anyway.

>>713079269
Vehicles transferred enough damage to the player that you could kill the operator outright. Them being indestructible was never an issue.
Splatter damage against teammates was pretty dumb.

>>713079485
It's not just about issues though, it's also about player experience, immersion and the market.
Many people would prefer being able to total a vehicle yet unlike some milsims/game modes it will at least respawn later instead of waiting for some large scale logistics to resupply one.
That point about splatter damage is true (especially in Mjolnir) and adds to the point about "best" being a bit pointless since even there you'll have flaws/reason to add new things. It's all technically possible to accommodate multiple experiences as well for the sake of fun, given all the intensive modes that came after.

>>713076491
Halo is over, the story is concluded. Any future Halo games should not actually be Halo but instead some sort of similar military sci Fi or Battlestar Galactica rip off. Like what Fromsoft did with Elden Ring which everyone knows is just Dark Souls, but they didn't make another Dark Souls because that series has concluded.

>>713079731
That's another thing: 343-era could've easily been more faithful to Halo and Microsoft then use that extra money to start up a new super-soldier IP for more out-there ideas. Could've come after, could've run parallel.
But as for finished, people knew there were tons of ships that did not make it to earth after fleeing High Charity + Halo rings inevitably break down and Flood gets out. Halo isn't always about the next twist/reveal, sometimes it's just about having a fun set of military operations while stopping aliens from using ancient alien tech against you.
And if you haven't been thinking about where to take the story, yeah, it might seem like there's no gas in the tank. However, both Marcus and Marty have mentioned in interviews that Bungie was working on plot for after the events on the Ark.
After all, the Ark arc was meant to be wrapped up in Halo 2 and that would mean 3 more games to fulfill the contract. After Halo 2 had to be delayed and remix 1/3 of its plot for Halo 3, they felt a mere 2 games was not enough to tell those post-Ark ideas, thus opting for spin-offs like Reach and ODST.
All that said, I definitely think about a new IP that refines the 4/5 aesthetic and is free to be its own game in terms of story and mechanics. To this day pic-related doesn't seem like Halo but another IP entirely. Forerunner structures aren't the first to be silvery/angular/monolithic (never mind the take on them for 4/5).

>>713046115 (OP)
There is a total of 0 good Halo games
There is a total of 0 good games made by Bungie

>>713046115 (OP)
Halo seems pretty dead though I only ever check the Steam charts for MCC and Infinite and it takes forever to find matches even with crossplay, is there still far more people playing it on Xbox?

>>713046115 (OP)
Okay OP, waiting for you to go first.

>>713080975
If it's been enjoyed as much as it has despite not being good, it means there's a brighter future ahead if anyone can tap into the potential properly.

Halo CE remake was pitched but I haven't gotten any news if Microsoft even picked up on it as of May.
I doubt it'll go anywhere, but MCC was brought back from the dead in 2016 from hype alone.