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Anonymous No.713054809 >>713054851 >>713054951 >>713055036 >>713055248 >>713056884 >>713058705 >>713059889 >>713060128 >>713060495 >>713061351 >>713062216 >>713062391 >>713062803 >>713068972
>Resistance is the good guys
>Woefully incompetent pacifist retards lead by even bigger idiots and only succeed because of the player being a beat stick
Anonymous No.713054851
>>713054809 (OP)
My wife Sciel is so cute
Anonymous No.713054951 >>713055594
>>713054809 (OP)
They're not pacifists, nor retarded, just completely outmatched
Anonymous No.713055036
>>713054809 (OP)
I always had a headcanon about ciel's health deteriorating with each game because of how sick she looked on the portraits but zx kinda ruined it since she was well enough to work on biometals years down the line
Anonymous No.713055148 >>713055235 >>713055236 >>713055240
so uhhhhh is she a reploid or a human anyways?
Anonymous No.713055235
>>713055148
Human, there was never any doubt about it
Boco !sCZ24qY6KY No.713055236
>>713055148

Human. Just really really smart.
Anonymous No.713055240
>>713055148
Human test tube baby.
Anonymous No.713055248 >>713055309
>>713054809 (OP)
To be fair, Ciel at least partially grows out of that mindset. In Zero 2 she believes the justification for the war is the energy crisis and that solving it will end the war. But by Zero 3, Copy X offers an end to hostilities in exchange for the Ciel system. And Ciel refuses because no fucking way is Copy X just going to stop his genocide crusade
Anonymous No.713055309 >>713055625
>>713055248
>Ciel refuses because no fucking way is Copy X just going to stop his genocide crusade
It's more so because of Weil, not Copy X though Copy X during Zero 3 was just a Weil pawn.
Anonymous No.713055594 >>713055730 >>713056123 >>713062396
>>713054951
Zero single-handedly stormed Neo Arcadia and destabilized their government via assassination. They are not outmatched.
Anonymous No.713055625 >>713055934 >>713057331
>>713055309
Fair enough. Although I think whether Copy X would've ever just stopped is worthy of debate. Because in Z1, Copy X gives his reasons for the war. He claims his goal is to create a paradise for humans. Since he went hunting for Reploids, I'm assuming that there wasn't enough energy to go around therefore Reploids got the shit end of the stick. If Copy X got the Ciel System earlier maybe he holds to his word. There's still the awkward phase of "remember when I tried to kill you all?"
Anonymous No.713055730
>>713055594
Zero is also considered uniquely lethal. Elpizo's strike squad got wiped out doing what Zero did solo. You cannot compare him to regular Reploids
Anonymous No.713055934
>>713055625
>Because in Z1, Copy X gives his reasons for the war. He claims his goal is to create a paradise for humans. Since he went hunting for Reploids, I'm assuming that there wasn't enough energy to go around therefore Reploids got the shit end of the stick
That's pretty much it. He started ending reploids so humans could live in luxury.
Anonymous No.713056123
>>713055594
Yes, Zero, the war machine stronger than literally everyone else he fights in the game, without him they're outmatched
Anonymous No.713056696 >>713056871
>Neo Arcadia has an energy crisis.
>Decide to start tossing civvie Reploids into concentration camps instead of decommissioning the fifty fuckbillion warmachines they have.
Like really, what the fuck does Neo Arcadia need an entire NAVY for? Do old malfunctioning fish mechaniloids jump out of the ocean and try to flop their way over to human residential districts or something? Is it nepotism and X just wants his fish daughter to feel important?
Anonymous No.713056871
>>713056696
Leviathan's entire purpose is to purify the world's oceans that have been left contaminated for hundreds of years until the ZX era. Neo Arcadia's "Navy" is mostly just Leviathan safe guarding Repliforce toys.
Anonymous No.713056884 >>713056992 >>713057031
>>713054809 (OP)
Anonymous No.713056992 >>713057031
>>713056884
Anonymous No.713057031 >>713057150
>>713056884
>>713056992
Ciel should be a shota
Anonymous No.713057150
>>713057031
Everybody should be girls.
Anonymous No.713057331 >>713057463 >>713057742
>>713055625

I personally always felt kind of bad for Copy X. He is a nearly perfect clone of Neo Arcadia's God king and got saddled with an energy crisis that there was no immediate solution to. He pragmatically looked at the situation and found a "solution" that ensured his primary goal of protecting human kind was achieved, at the cost of Reploids. Honestly if Ciel had just stayed in Neo Arcadia and used their vast resources to get get the Ciel System up and running, the death of most of humanity might have been avoided.
Anonymous No.713057463 >>713059134 >>713061232
>>713057331
Part of the blame is on X himself but you can't blame him for fighting by himself for 200 fucking years and just saying "fuck it I'm done peace out".
Anonymous No.713057742 >>713058513
>>713057331
Maybe she shouldn't have put a garbage clone in the highest position of power in their world just to preserve the image of a beloved leader
Anonymous No.713058513
>>713057742
Ironically they made the same fucking mistake Dr. Cain did. By playing fast and loose with standards, no one was ready for the possible side effects of cobbling together another superhero without making sure his power was restrained with morality. So Copy X was made with a simple mandate "protect humanity." How could you possibly fuck that up? Oh... by mulching his fellow reploids and controlling the flow of information so humans literally cannot worry about the crisis they live in? Well Copy X certainly protected humanity. If turning people into cattle and reploids into food counts
Anonymous No.713058705 >>713058821
>>713054809 (OP)
It's important to remember that most of the Resistance members aren't actually combat Reploids. Nearly all of them are non-combatant models. Almost none of them really have the specs to fight properly.
Anonymous No.713058821
>>713058705
That's true too and that the Pantheons vastly outnumber the resistance members. So even in the off chance a resistance member kills one Pantheon, there's like 100 others there to replace it
Anonymous No.713059134 >>713059305 >>713059582
>>713057463

It always bothered me how the original X had the ability to manifest before people, and yet never tried it with Copy X. All he did was wait for Zero to wake up and eventually tell him "Kill that fucker with extreme prejudice."
Anonymous No.713059305
>>713059134
Well it's Inticreates they fucked up Zero's personality too but the in universe reason is because X just became jaded after being forced to fight on his own for 200 years it makes more sense than Zero's "hibernation sickness" but not concrete.
Anonymous No.713059582 >>713059765
>>713059134
My understanding is that he saw how badly Neo Arcadia fucked up and he became so jaded that he just didn't care anymore. Not only did they completely undo everything X had worked hard to build over the past century, but they also proved that the moment he's not around to babysit them, they're prone to immediately fucking up. It's only natural that X would completely lose hope and give up. He's been fighting for a hundred years, and none of it mattered.

The only reason he became active again in MMZ was because there was finally something around that he could place his faith in: Zero. X no longer believed in humanity or Reploids, but he still believed in his friend.
Anonymous No.713059682 >>713059980
Elf wars when?
Anonymous No.713059765
>>713059582
It's not really that. Apparently for a time, Neo Arcadia was doing all right by themselves but didn't have any guidance. X left pretty early on because the dude was just sick of killing a race built from his likeness and seeing people like Weil exploit them and his friend Zero. He says at the end of Zero 1 that he just stopped feeling anything and stopped caring after being forced to fight and kill so many.
Anonymous No.713059889 >>713060051
>>713054809 (OP)
>She died virgin because she got oneitis for a suicidal maniac.

Sad
Anonymous No.713059925
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALsaI1vyW4Q
Anonymous No.713059980 >>713060068
>>713059682
We can't even get ZX3 or SF4 or 12 or X9, what makes you think that Elf wars has even a chance.

Elf Wars is MegaMan's 99 game.
Anonymous No.713060051 >>713060152
>>713059889
At least she managed to "transform into him" at one point.
...
What? She had to test model Z on someone.
Anonymous No.713060068 >>713060754
>>713059980
If we ever get ZX3, I hope it's nothing like ZXA.
Anonymous No.713060128
>>713054809 (OP)
>Inti shits out 5 games a year
>none of them are even half as good as zero/zx
WHAT HAPPENED?
Anonymous No.713060152
>>713060051
The biometals aren't really them though but Rockman Ciel would be pretty cool if it was ever made into a game.
Anonymous No.713060495
>>713054809 (OP)
>in the span of 100 years, the coolest robots you've ever known became faggot dolls
Anonymous No.713060754 >>713061191 >>713062714 >>713063729
>>713060068
ZXA is so much better than ZX. It's not a horrible slog to play.
Anonymous No.713061191 >>713068981
>>713060754
ZX definitely had some level design issues but advent was a step in the wrong direction, it felt more like a sidegrade.

Had some good tracks though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8YpvSo_ZCo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9VIvGBA9SU
Anonymous No.713061232 >>713062487
>>713057463

Makes me wonder what Copy X even would have done with Ciel had she been captured at the start of Zero 1. Integrate her back into Neo Arcadian society? Imprison her ethically? Allow to continue her research under Neo Arcadian custody? The Pantheons at the start of Zero 1 did not seem to have any intentions of harming her, nor did the Golem that grabbed onto her before Zero got his saber back.
Anonymous No.713061292
You now remember MMZ mango.
Anonymous No.713061351 >>713061475 >>713062109 >>713063893
>>713054809 (OP)
I dunno what it says about me but the older I get the more I really like Zero's complete no-nonsense personality in MMZ
Anonymous No.713061475 >>713063893
>>713061351
Anonymous No.713061709
Ciel built a copy of the second most complicated robot on planet as a child, then gave it a new super armor, then gave it an even better super armor.
And then a robot murder hobo killed it with a century old beam sword and a gun it picked up off the floor in a destroyed lab.
Anonymous No.713062109 >>713062462
>>713061351
>Wake up
>Zero fuckin memory
>Some girl just asks for help
>"Alright, what needs to die?"
>Cut, carve, and cleave a path through hell
>Cut down absolutely everything in your way
>Arrive at the simple conclusion that they'll only be safe if Neo Arcadia, the only bastion of civilization left on the fucking planet is demolished
>Walk in the front door of their gubment building
>Zip through and leave a trail of utter devastation
>Beat their generals
>Assassinate their leader
>Take the heat and fuck off in the opposite direction
Surrender was not an option, negotiating is not his field. He exists to be the deadliest war machine in existence and he fucking delivers.
Anonymous No.713062216
>>713054809 (OP)
To be fair, that's kinda the point, Neo Arcadia is where everyone is, so is also where most military is, so a resistance to them was always going to be outnumbered.
That's why even already at the start of zero they are losing and are only saved because of zero in the ruins.
Anonymous No.713062391
>>713054809 (OP)
The resistance as a whole is not pacifist. Only Ciel is.
Anonymous No.713062396 >>713062651
>>713055594
Zero can't be everywhere at once. Having exactly one super soldier is not a sufficient fighting force.
Anonymous No.713062462 >>713062512
>>713062109
He spared the Guardians though.
Anonymous No.713062487
>>713061232
>Allow to continue her research under Neo Arcadian custody
Probably exactly that. They obviously want the energy issue solved too.
Anonymous No.713062512 >>713063847
>>713062462
That would be why I said beat. They submitted and got out of the fucking way. Well, most of them did.
Anonymous No.713062651
>>713062396
Yeah, but after he arrived, the Resistance quickly learned to get out of the way and let him do his thing. In the first game, a few Resistance soldiers tried to do some missions on their own in order to ease his burden. A lot of them died and he had to save their asses. In MMZ2, Elpizo failed to get the memo so he ended up leading a bunch of soldiers to their deaths, forcing Zero to clean up his mess. In MMZ3 and 4, everyone just tries to support him in other ways without directly getting involved in combat.
Anonymous No.713062714 >>713062953
>>713060754
After replaying them in the Z/ZX Collection, I think I like ZX more. The shitty map is mitigated by just looking up a complete one. Weak points suck but not having to worry about them in the rematches and just shredding bosses felt amazing. With ZXA I was never a fan of them deciding to change it back to run and gun style, it's not what I play the Zero games for and it takes too long for you to get a sword and even longer to get ZX for the usual moveset.
Anonymous No.713062803
>>713054809 (OP)
>Have the entire world's might in your control.
>Job to a child, and a 100 year old robot.
Common copy X L.
Anonymous No.713062953 >>713069112
>>713062714
I'm not really fond of the transformation system. It's too clunky and pointless since you're inevitably gonna commit to one optimal form.
Anonymous No.713063729 >>713068908
>>713060754
ZXA is fucking cluster fuck like what the fuck is even going on with this game? ZX was way better.
Anonymous No.713063847
>>713062512
No they didn't. He spared them because plot. They were all going to jump him when he showed up in X's throne room.
Anonymous No.713063893 >>713064635
>>713061351
>>713061475
Zero has always been no nonsense but MMZ Zero isn't Zero. Dude's like a parody of X Zero, personality wise.
Anonymous No.713064635 >>713064771
>>713063893
It's just Zero being done with the bullshit, like X is done with the bullshit. It's been a long time, all their friends are gone (including each other), and there's no end to the crises. Crying over Iris was 100 years and a couple billion dead humans and reploids ago. It's something you don't understand until you're pretty old.
Anonymous No.713064771 >>713065865
>>713064635
Zero in lore isn't even supposed to remember said bullshit that he's supposedly done with and on top of that, he's been done with it since X6 and he still didn't get a complete personality rewrite like in the Zero series. X is more or less the same in the Zero series even if he does act out of character at some points.
Anonymous No.713065417
God I love the Zero series
Anonymous No.713065801
God I love Aile and her dumb shorts.
Anonymous No.713065865 >>713066051
>>713064771
What is there for Zero to even remember that he has forgotten? He remembers working with and respecting X, and still has a sense of familiarity with Omega and Weil. Everyone else didn't exist when he went to sleep. I don't think the amnesia affects his personality.

If anything I'd say it's X4 that has him completely out of character. He never acts panicky or emotional like that in any other game. He's always very blunt and mission focused.
Anonymous No.713066051 >>713066850
>>713065865
>He remembers working with and respecting X
He doesn't even remember that for the most part besides the ass whipping he gave him. Dude had no idea that Omega was even his body until Weil dropped that bombshell on him and he didn't even know Weil at all. The only familiarity he had with any character was the Dark Elf and that is never elaborated upon.
>I don't think the amnesia affects his personality.
It shouldn't but that's the in-universe explanation.
>If anything I'd say it's X4 that has him completely out of character. He never acts panicky or emotional like that in any other game. He's always very blunt and mission focused.
.Go play X1, he has an emotional heart to heart with X a couple of times. Hell, go play the remake, X5, X6, X8, and especially Command Mission.
Anonymous No.713066103 >>713066153
why didn't zero fuck ciel before killing himself
Anonymous No.713066153 >>713066569 >>713068435
>>713066103
Because he wasn't into her. He kisses one of the red heads in the Resistance base.
Anonymous No.713066569 >>713066782
>>713066153
Does he? Would be a waste anyway, that bluenette was cuter.
Anonymous No.713066782
>>713066569
Yeah he actually does. It's an E-Reader thing.
Anonymous No.713066850
>>713066051
> Dude had no idea that Omega was even his body until Weil dropped that bombshell
Only Weil and X are aware of it in the setting. Ciel, the 8 judges, even the guardians are all in the dark along with Zero.

He remembers Weil and Omega better than he remembers X at first. He starts getting vibes before he even enters the ship they land in. The connection intrigues him, but he never sees them as anything other than an enemy to be destroyed. It makes sense; they are central to the conflict that he remembers the dark elf for.

I don't think you're meant to interpret Zero's hibernation sickness as literally no memories whatsoever. It's more like time has passed and he has forgotten almost everything about a world that is completely gone. Like when you visit a place you haven't been since you were a kid. Even if you don't remember the specifics of what you did there, you remember how you felt.

> X1
I never played the remake, but in the original he has four dialogues with X: the highway "don't feel bad, you can get stronger", the entrance to Sigma's fortress "let's split up", the room before Vile "I'll take him" and the fight with Vile "I've taken too much damage, it's up to you to destroy sigma". There's no particular camaraderie yet, and he has nothing to say about Vile and Sigma being traitors. His mission is to go there and blow things up, and all his dialogue is about that.

It's the same for X2 and X3. In X5, it's possible for him to act evil if he becomes corrupted/purified by the zero virus, but otherwise he is the same for X5 onward.
Anonymous No.713068435
>>713066153
She kissed him
He doesn't really care
Anonymous No.713068908
>>713063729
I don't get you. ZX is utterly confusing the entire way through, and even when you get used to it, you still have to slog through so much bullshit. It's like the devs thought the point of the Metroidvania formula is to add padding. Even the final level feels like that because of the slow-ass elevators setting the pace.

ZXA is weird, and not everything landed right, but nothing overstays its welcome, either. It's like the first MMZ game that way.
Anonymous No.713068972
>>713054809 (OP)
Yeah the resistance are all extremely underfunded robots against the last living civilization on the planet
Theyre gonna be incompetent
Anonymous No.713068981
>>713061191
Soul Ablaze is great, too.
Anonymous No.713069112
>>713062953
>one optimal form
No such thing. Everything has a use if you're clever. It's a broad combat system, not a deep combat system.